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2:48

And this is Harry Potter and the Sacred Text.

2:53

Matt, we are lucky enough to be

2:55

joined today by a special guest, Delphine

2:57

Mooney, who is the executive director of

2:59

On the Rise. We are

3:01

partnering again this year with On the Rise,

3:03

which is an amazing daytime shelter, the works

3:05

with people who are experiencing homelessness. And

3:08

Delphine, can you just remind our listeners what

3:10

the work of On the Rise is, please?

3:13

Yeah, thank you again for inviting

3:15

me back. You know, I'm just in the

3:17

seat as ED for over two

3:20

years now. And I've served in

3:22

a lot of different capacities, but I've seen

3:24

this community change and grow in so many

3:26

ways over the years. And I feel really

3:28

grateful to be a part of

3:30

it and to talk about it. So On the

3:33

Rise emerged as the

3:35

result of feedback from unhoused

3:37

women who shared that

3:39

their needs were not being met by

3:41

programs that existed to assist them. And

3:44

recognizing these gaps, we adopted

3:46

a unique, low threshold relational

3:48

approach to addressing

3:50

homelessness that provides immediate

3:52

necessities like food and

3:54

showers every day, but

3:56

also Works to

3:59

build the founding. Some people

4:01

need to address more complex

4:03

and long term issues and

4:05

so since our founding we've

4:07

expanded our service population to

4:09

include gender diverse individuals moving

4:12

through and beyond homelessness by.

4:14

Really what sets us apart is

4:16

are enduring. Commitment to

4:18

supporting. Folks, even after they've

4:20

secured housing and thought long

4:23

term commitment is so special

4:25

because it's really the relationship

4:27

that creates a sense of

4:29

security for folks are dealing

4:31

with complex issues and those

4:33

issues. Range anywhere from

4:36

Killeen trauma stemming from

4:38

abuse, reconnecting with lost

4:40

family or address the

4:43

and mental and physical

4:45

health needs and the.

4:48

Relationships or what can access you know they

4:50

allow. Us to respect. Differences.

4:53

And discover common ground.

4:55

And build community and we

4:58

consider them transform minutes. So

5:00

what that means is they're

5:02

genuine, their mutual there's face

5:04

and and during and so

5:07

building trusting relationships better nurtured.

5:09

Over time as really central to the work of

5:11

On arise. Rudolf an honor as

5:13

as such an immersion program after last year's

5:15

computers Were campaign. When this podcast supported on

5:18

Arise I got our first involved in supporting

5:20

On the Rise and so now we provide

5:22

meals regularly just like Venus and her family

5:24

does. An enemy of our listeners who are

5:26

in the Boss Mckim is area of you

5:28

wanna get directly involved and build some his

5:31

relationships please. You look into it but there's

5:33

a program coming up you have called empty

5:35

Bowls. Could you tell us more about what

5:37

empty Bosses. Yeah. We are

5:39

celebrating the eleventh annual and

5:41

people. Projects Arm and this

5:44

is not an original. Idea of

5:46

ours. I think it originated in the

5:48

South, but on March twenty third and

5:50

twenty fourth we have a two day

5:53

event this year Local Potter's. Has

5:55

generously donated their beautiful

5:57

works of art and

5:59

and leave oh have

6:01

a collection of fantastic

6:03

community minded. Restaurants you

6:06

don't eat delicious soup. And

6:08

you buy a ticket, you are

6:10

entitled to select the bowl of

6:13

your dreams and explicit masterpiece and.

6:15

Also receives. A

6:17

helping of delicious soup that

6:20

ranges from here has gotta

6:22

be an option. Secretary nonsense.

6:24

Gluten free and. It's really

6:26

just a beautiful kind of gathering.

6:28

Of the community and kind of a

6:31

showing of the artistic talent and. Calling

6:33

and comments of locals The Sport on race.

6:36

Or the scene. I know that you

6:38

mention that one on as powerful parts

6:40

of your work is the community effect

6:42

on the Rise films and so we

6:44

invited you to tell a story on

6:46

that beams. I was wondering if you

6:48

could tell us your story yeah you

6:50

know I think part of the ground

6:52

he and for us in. The space

6:55

that would work is really

6:57

at. It may seem that

6:59

homelessness is incredibly isolating and

7:01

so on top of you

7:03

know, likely been disconnected from

7:05

family and friends. We live

7:07

in a world that is

7:09

often ready to ascribe undesirable

7:12

circumstances to someone personality or

7:14

character, when in fact, They.

7:16

Often have fallen victim to something

7:18

or someone and we're not caught

7:21

by the social safety nets already

7:23

in place and. We. Tend

7:25

to separate ourselves from those living

7:27

through those are take the circumstances.

7:30

Because we want to tell. Ourselves said

7:32

it couldn't happen to us,

7:34

and that type of ostracize

7:36

a sin and stigmatisation really

7:38

is what deprives. And already

7:40

very vulnerable population. Of.

7:43

A. Central component of health, which is

7:45

human connection. You know we all

7:48

need it. We all need community,

7:50

especially at those times when things

7:52

are really tough. It is the

7:55

difference between stabilizing you realize or

7:57

your situation and your life potentially

7:59

going. Who had health than

8:01

so? We believe in providing a

8:04

safe and enduring community. And

8:06

staffer really on the frontlines of

8:08

combat? Be in that type of

8:10

loneliness and one of the ways

8:12

that we do that beyond kind

8:14

of the social connectedness that is

8:17

a component of what our organization

8:19

fosters on a daily basis, as

8:21

we have a number of. Community

8:23

events sprinkled throughout the year

8:26

that are meant to foster

8:28

relationships. And Build Community and one

8:30

of those events if you haven't

8:32

been to On the Rise were

8:35

located in a big Victorian house

8:37

rate in. The heart of Cambridge,

8:39

Massachusetts. And in our outdoor space

8:42

we have a memorial garden which

8:44

has stones engraved of the names

8:46

of people in our community both

8:49

house and unhealthy to have passed

8:51

away over our. Twenty seven

8:53

year history and it's

8:55

you know, as. As.

8:58

Reflects teams I was thinking back. To

9:00

the events. In Twenty Twenty

9:03

Two. So each year we. The

9:05

community gathers and we share.

9:07

Stories about the people who passed away.

9:10

In that year we are

9:12

able. To invite the celebrate who comes.

9:14

To corporate some kind of spiritual.

9:17

Elements of the ceremony and it's very

9:19

peaceful and. It offers a space

9:21

for purchase since degrees in

9:23

community. This ceremony

9:25

historically was born out of

9:28

participants concerns about been forgotten

9:30

once they've passed away and

9:32

in Twenty twenty two, we

9:35

hadn't had the chance to

9:37

gather for. Almost. Two

9:39

years at that point. Three years

9:41

since the Pandemics rocks and.

9:45

You know, tragic, an unexpected death

9:47

is very familiar to our community

9:49

and which makes it even more

9:51

important for us to gather and

9:53

remember those who have passed away.

9:55

And this is particularly true. During

9:57

cove it because we just lost so many.

10:00

people during the course of those couple of

10:02

years. And so there were

10:04

so many people who reached

10:06

out to us to ensure

10:09

that someone they knew within On

10:11

the Rises community was remembered

10:14

at this event. And it was really

10:16

the first time that we had seen

10:18

a lot of folks since the pandemic

10:20

had struck. And many

10:23

people expressed to us that day

10:26

that they were so grateful to know

10:29

that the event was

10:31

able to come back into being because

10:33

it was so important to them to be remembered,

10:36

but also to be able to have

10:38

a place to gather together.

10:40

And it's a very

10:42

peaceful and beautiful

10:44

space that we have

10:47

physically to remember folks. But

10:50

2022 was a little different in that because

10:52

there were so many folks to remember, we

10:54

had to amend the ceremony slightly.

10:56

And so we recognized

10:59

everyone's name with a chime

11:01

and were able to kind of

11:03

collectively symbolize the group by doing

11:05

a butterfly release. But

11:07

it really struck me how many folks came

11:09

up to us to really

11:12

appreciate the time to get together and to

11:14

remember people and how important it was to

11:16

them in their lives to know that they

11:18

would be remembered by On the Rise in

11:20

this way. We really want to

11:23

be a community for folks and especially

11:27

the population we work with who

11:29

express being invisible and

11:31

forgotten on a regular basis in

11:33

their daily lives. Being

11:36

able to ensure that they are

11:38

getting that is a big piece

11:41

for us and really affirms our community.

11:43

And part

11:46

of what I love about that Delphine is

11:48

that people who have

11:50

passed away can still be part of

11:53

our community. We need community

11:55

Who is with us on this earth at the

11:58

same time? But also, that doesn't mean. That

12:00

people have impacted us. The past

12:02

or it's still part of our community.

12:04

It's. Then I just love that your shirt

12:06

on our people in that way. Yeah.

12:09

Is so true. It also. You.

12:11

Know as the way to combat loneliness

12:14

That on. This Earth people are

12:16

feeling and yeah, even though right.

12:18

I think they us Surgeon

12:20

General the that Murthy describes

12:23

loneliness is an epidemic that's

12:25

on par with tobacco use

12:27

and it's not difficult to

12:29

imagine how loneliness impacts someone,

12:31

depression or anxiety. And there's

12:34

something that he said that really

12:36

struck me about loneliness and. How

12:38

it resonates for me with the work that on

12:41

the rise. Does is he talks

12:43

about it being like hunger and

12:45

thirst and saying that it's like

12:47

a natural signal that our bodies

12:50

senses former. Lockean something the need

12:52

for survival. And in this case

12:54

it's social connection and so you know

12:56

people are feeling that in life but

12:58

also they are feeling that in and

13:00

of remember a in and wanting to

13:03

bring those who passed away into the

13:05

fold. Since. It It's really

13:07

about social connection. Was

13:09

often one of the things I'm sure wanna talk about in

13:11

the absurd when we reflect upon the meeting a community as

13:14

a sort of. Like. How

13:16

are people bound together and community? Were bicycle

13:18

together and the thing of so special about

13:20

your story amount on the roster so well

13:22

as a sick of our memories shared memory

13:24

as a way to buy my mother not

13:27

just shared memory of a common pass but

13:29

also that we remember each other rights and

13:31

also to start minutes is behind. So much

13:33

of a work for farmers does. From the

13:35

outset you're also remembering the people whom many

13:37

we as a larger society too easily forget.

13:40

You're. Interested and engaged in the

13:42

work of memory of trying to combat loneliness

13:44

not just at the end of life bug

13:46

in the midst of life and and draw

13:48

people into your community. So thank you so

13:50

much for that their work and thank you

13:52

for allowing us to partner with new to

13:54

support network. Oh. St

13:57

use of ads for inviting me to talk

13:59

a little. that. What we tail end for

14:01

highlighting the work that we do. We're thrilled

14:03

to be able to be out there and

14:05

have a chance to have more people learn

14:07

about what we do and who we are.

14:10

And if anybody wants to join me

14:12

I will be going test that and

14:14

people sitting on Saturday March twenty third

14:16

at One thirty. So. If you

14:18

want to sign up going to than

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the show nazis and also just gotta

14:22

on the rise.org even go to the

14:24

seatings when I'm not there are also

14:26

but and be my son of Beauty

14:28

Madison. Wow. Matt It is always

14:31

such a pleasure to talk to doubt seen, but

14:33

it is also always such a pleasure to. Watch

14:35

you stress about the thirty second

14:37

rate on her carbon stress in

14:39

about. Three. Quarters Of A Book.

14:42

I think. Why? Hope

14:45

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14:47

you to. Staff. Are now under stress Nine

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you're in a coma for to mourn her is like

14:58

normally do what you like really and whatever and then

15:00

ago and it's bigot. he shrugs and these drugs and

15:02

says digits I want to talk to serious in there

15:05

can be arranged to discuss a man Vagos did see

15:07

some very nice Mm across counseling and encourage counseling are

15:09

Mcgonigle and numbers are your he come in or he

15:11

caribbean or and they're shouting when Harry Reason is a

15:13

big assumption that swap everywhere and he goes the off

15:16

the top of the recent loop it and they say

15:18

we were jerks and he's like did you find a

15:20

worse and he goes back to where I'm from Georgia

15:22

and. They. Fly out of the ceiling and say give him

15:24

go or how. Peeves.

15:28

That. Was really good folks getting so good

15:30

at. That, but I was more system. Since.

15:33

You call attention to their. You did

15:35

a good job anywhere my stats ask

15:37

me see So happy. Okay Vanessa, let

15:39

me catch your and three. Two.

15:42

One go. So. how many

15:44

kids accused of a nagging because he is worried

15:46

about harry and the fact that he has just

15:48

given up on setting off limits the inserts needs

15:50

false but also khomeini as right and they all

15:52

have to go in there thinking and about the

15:55

different careers as they can have and some taxes

15:57

and ten a fan but harry is like i

15:59

I only want to be in order and McGonagall's

16:01

like, if it's the last thing I do, I

16:04

will make sure that you can. But Ginny is

16:06

like, same about that, but about talking as serious

16:08

and Fred and George help and they do a

16:10

swamp and then they say, give them help, peeves.

16:14

I got peeves in, you didn't get the word

16:16

peeves in. That's right, I

16:19

just missed the word peeves. I

16:21

think you were able to do so because

16:23

you very, with an impressive amount of brevity,

16:26

created the phrase, do a swamp. Here's

16:29

the thing. It

16:32

totally makes sense. I know, it's

16:34

the soul of wit. You got the

16:37

idea across perfectly. And

16:39

in seven fewer seconds than it took me to say the

16:41

same thing. So Vanessa, we're going to

16:43

explore the theme of community in

16:46

this chapter and I thought we might start

16:48

by a short visit to Etymology Corner.

16:51

My favorite corner. So

16:53

community comes from the word common, right?

16:55

It's just like a collective noun variation

16:58

of the word common. And

17:00

common comes from a Proto-Indo-European root.

17:03

The co means together, like that's familiar to

17:05

us, right? Co, you co-write something,

17:07

co-author something, you write it together, right? And

17:09

then the second part of the word that

17:11

starts with an M, they think the original

17:13

word was may and that meant

17:16

to go or to move. So the deepest,

17:18

deepest root of this word actually

17:20

means like to move together, like

17:22

to operate together. Right at the beginning of

17:24

the chapter, Hermione comes to Ron and Harry

17:26

and says, okay, exams are coming up. Here's

17:29

what we Americans would call our study

17:31

schedule. Right? It's

17:33

a timetable for revision, right?

17:35

And it's all plotted out and they are going

17:37

to do it together. Like she knows that Harry

17:40

and Ron would not have been as disciplined as

17:43

she would be and would not have done this.

17:45

So she gives it to them so they can

17:47

move together and move successfully through this difficult time

17:49

with one another. And to me, that sounds

17:51

like moving together. That's an example of community.

17:53

Where it gets more complicated between the three

17:55

of these characters is later on in

17:58

the chapter, which is... In

18:01

this chapter, as our 30-second recaps

18:03

so clearly described, Harry

18:05

is looking for a diversion so he can

18:07

contact Sirius through the Flu Network. That

18:10

diversion arises when Fred and George create

18:12

a swamp and draw Umbridge and the

18:14

Inquisitorial Squad and all the concerned

18:18

authorities to that site so that Harry

18:20

can get into Umbridge's office to the

18:23

one unsupervised fireplace and

18:26

use the Flu Network to communicate with

18:29

Sirius. But it's a very risky thing, obviously.

18:32

And here a disagreement arises between

18:34

the three. Harry is not sure what

18:36

to do. Ron seems

18:38

kind of reflective and finally says, you know,

18:41

Harry has to decide. I can't decide for

18:43

him. And

18:45

Hermione also acknowledges that Harry has to decide,

18:47

but she is way in on the side

18:49

of deciding not to do this. It's too

18:52

risky, right? So these

18:54

three are not moving together, but I think

18:56

everyone's thinking about community also,

18:58

right? Hermione is thinking

19:00

this is too risky to the

19:03

movement, to Dumbledore's army, to the

19:05

Order of Phoenix, to everyone who

19:07

wants to resist Umbridge. We

19:10

need you in school here. That's what Dumbledore said.

19:12

This is too risky for the sake of the

19:14

community. We need to decide that you will not

19:16

do this. And

19:18

I think, you know, there's one interpretation which you could

19:20

say Ron is not thinking about the community. He's

19:23

thinking about just whatever this

19:25

individual wants. Like Harry has to make

19:27

a decision. He's an individual, so the decision is up to

19:29

him. But I

19:31

also think that he's understanding that, like, part of

19:33

what's at stake in what they

19:36

are doing is supporting Harry, right?

19:38

That's part of what the community's interest is in supporting

19:40

Harry as he goes through this time. And he just

19:42

thinks that he has to grant this autonomy to

19:45

Harry. Harry has to

19:47

decide whether it's worth it or not. They can't

19:49

make that decision for him. And so he wants

19:51

to move together with Harry. That's

19:53

what Harry wants to do, right? Yeah,

19:56

so I don't know if I have a question to

19:58

follow on that summary of what happened. or

20:00

what I think is going on, but I mean, like,

20:04

who's side are you on? Ron or Hermione? Well,

20:08

thank you for asking. It just

20:10

depends on how you're defining what their

20:12

goal is, right? If

20:15

their goal is to

20:17

like make sure that Harry is

20:20

safe, then I

20:22

could see that Hermione and Ron are

20:24

actually both in community. They just have

20:26

different ideas of what safety means. And

20:29

Ron thinks like Harry's emotional and

20:31

mental well-being is part of his

20:33

safety, whereas Hermione probably doesn't disagree

20:35

with that, but is like, well,

20:37

his physical safety and like not

20:39

being expelled is more important. So

20:42

I do think that they're still in community.

20:44

I really love this idea of community as

20:46

being moving with, and I know that you

20:49

agree with what I'm about to say, but

20:51

I think that there can be

20:53

disagreements within a community as to

20:56

how to best try to achieve

20:58

the goal or how to best

21:00

live up to the community standard

21:02

that you have. And Ron and

21:05

Hermione just have like a difference of

21:07

opinion on the specifics here, but they're

21:09

both being caring toward

21:12

Harry. Yeah. I

21:14

mean, I think what's most telling about that is that Hermione

21:17

is making this case as

21:19

she walks alongside Harry, right?

21:22

Like literally as she moves with him from class

21:24

to class, she is making

21:27

this case. And there is never a sense or

21:29

a threat that if he decides something different than

21:31

what she recommends, that she will

21:33

abandon him, right? And so like this, it's

21:35

not conditional. That's right. They are still moving

21:37

together. She's just trying to articulate what she

21:40

thinks they as a whole need to do

21:42

together, right? Yeah,

21:44

I do love just the side note.

21:46

This has nothing to do with community,

21:48

but the boys eventually start giving Hermione

21:50

the silent treatment. And she's like, the

21:52

silent treatment? Great. I have more airtime

21:54

to keep making my point. And

21:57

I'm just like, that is an opportunist if I've ever

21:59

met one. Hermione. It's brilliant. I

22:02

think it also makes sense, Matt,

22:05

that Ron is able to stand

22:09

in communal discordance with Hermione

22:11

and Harry with so much

22:14

confidence because

22:16

he grew up in a family that minus

22:18

Percy will put a big asterisk on Percy

22:20

and deal with him another time. But

22:23

other than that, this is clearly a

22:25

family that is committed to unconditional love

22:27

and yet they are going

22:29

about their life goals and the

22:31

way that they walk through the world very

22:34

differently, right? Molly would want each of her

22:36

kids to graduate from Hogwarts to get any

22:38

WT's in as many classes as possible. And

22:40

Fred and George are very much going their

22:43

own way, but it's not, you

22:45

know, if we're using your etymology and sort of

22:47

thinking of it as a

22:49

flying V of geese,

22:52

like it's not, they're

22:55

not flying in a different direction,

22:57

right? They're just like flapping their

22:59

wings differently. And so it

23:01

makes sense to me that Ron is like,

23:04

look, the three of us don't actually have

23:06

to agree. Like we don't need to form

23:08

consensus on this. Harry can do what's best

23:10

for him. You, Hermione, can disagree. I can

23:13

like be on the fence about it and we're all okay.

23:15

And we're all still part of the same V. Yeah,

23:18

that's right. And I think the other thing that's really so

23:20

like endearing and lovely about

23:23

the Weasley's is how like

23:25

their actions, even in disagreement,

23:27

tend to generate

23:29

stronger bonds and make one another

23:31

more courageous. So in the

23:33

beginning of the chapter, Harry is in the

23:36

library with Ginny and they get a package

23:38

from Molly Weasley and it's full of Easter

23:40

eggs. And one of the Easter eggs is

23:42

for Harry because as is so often the

23:44

case, Harry is folded into the Weasley family

23:46

when it comes to these sort of acts of

23:48

kindness and support. And this act-

23:50

He's like a duck that's a part of

23:53

their goose V. That's right. And this

23:55

egg moves Harry, this act

23:57

of kindness moves

23:59

Harry. and is what gives him kind of

24:01

the strength to articulate what he actually wants to

24:04

Ginny, this thing he thinks is impossible, which is that

24:06

he wants to speak to Sirius. One

24:09

act of kindness kind of gives him the energy

24:11

or the courage to articulate what he needs to

24:13

say, and Ginny says, well, maybe we can do

24:16

that, because one thing I've learned from Fred

24:18

and George is that nothing is impossible if you're willing

24:20

to be bold enough. And

24:23

then Fred and George show up and they tell

24:25

him, and he just kind of unfolds and unfolds

24:27

and unfolds, and then we have this situation where

24:29

Harry ends up talking to Sirius, and Fred and

24:31

George, as I'm sure we will talk about, have

24:33

their kind of climactic exit from Hogwarts

24:36

School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. But

24:38

what's so interesting is I think with Fred

24:40

and George also, they

24:43

feed off one another's courage. They can do this

24:45

together. Neither of them is making this escape on

24:48

their own or causing this diversion on

24:50

their own. They have one another to

24:52

lean on, just as Ginny has them to lean

24:54

on, just as Harry has Ginny to lean on,

24:56

just as Molly sends an egg that

24:58

inspires Harry to be willing to make himself vulnerable and

25:01

to ask for what he wants from

25:03

these folks. So there is a

25:05

sense of these folks working together or moving

25:07

together in that ancient sense of the word

25:10

community, even though everyone's doing a different thing.

25:12

Like Ginny's just listening. Molly

25:14

sends an Easter egg. Fred and George

25:17

create a swamp in the middle of the school, but

25:19

all of them are just figuring out a

25:21

way to support Harry as he makes his

25:23

way through this incredibly trying situation. I

25:27

know I talk about this a lot, but my favorite

25:29

sentence in the whole series is their

25:31

presence was his courage. And

25:33

it's about in book seven when Lupin, Sirius,

25:35

James and Lily show up for Harry, but

25:37

I think that we see it again and

25:39

again throughout the series. I

25:41

am really fascinated about it in the twins

25:44

in particular, but this scene is so interesting

25:46

because it's a bit, like they're doing a

25:48

comedy bit, but the way that they are

25:50

doing their bit is in constantly checking in

25:53

with one another. What do you think George?

25:55

Is it time for us to get out of

25:57

here? I don't know Fred, what do you think? Right,

25:59

like they are. literally doing a call and response

26:02

to one another. And I really do

26:04

believe, like these are two brilliant, hardworking,

26:08

mischievous, warm-hearted kids, and neither

26:10

of them would be half the person they

26:12

are without the other one, right? Like they

26:14

together really are greater than the sum of

26:17

their parts because like

26:19

they always have the presence of someone

26:21

who can be their courage, right? Like

26:23

if there is a second that either

26:25

of them falters to somebody there to

26:27

keep them on point. And I love

26:29

that like that confidence, you know, leads

26:31

to Jimmy. And I just also love

26:33

that like the kindness

26:36

of community, sometimes

26:38

it'll fall on deaf ears, sometimes it'll be,

26:40

you know, Ron, not

26:42

liking the sweater, whatever it is, but

26:45

like sometimes it'll be like just the thing that

26:47

can give you the courage to keep

26:50

going. Yeah, and in that sense, like

26:52

what goes on in this chapter is almost

26:54

like a foreshadowing of the way that this

26:56

group of children will win the battle of

26:59

Hogwarts with support of some adults, right? Which

27:01

is that everyone ends up standing up

27:03

for each other, being courageous for

27:05

each other, not just standing up

27:07

by themselves. I mean, individuals do undertake singular

27:09

and single acts of courage. Like we'll see

27:11

Molly do that, we'll see Neville

27:14

do this. But like the reason it

27:16

works at the battle of Hogwarts is because they

27:18

are all standing up for each other, which is

27:20

this idea of community, right? They draw their courage

27:22

from one another's courage. I think one of

27:25

the things, Matt, that I love about thinking

27:27

about the Weasley's community is

27:29

that they're all close to

27:31

each other in different ways, right? Like

27:34

you don't get the sense that

27:36

like Ginny and Charlie are close,

27:39

but it, right? Like it doesn't

27:41

matter, right? Like I think that

27:43

Ginny would do just as much

27:45

for Charlie as she would for

27:47

Fred and George, who she's obviously

27:49

closer to, right? Like there's something

27:51

about community that makes it more

27:53

than just about individual relationships or

27:55

individual preferences, right? It's like, we're

27:57

part of the same thing and that matters. like,

28:01

you know, I can be mad at you, but

28:03

like, that doesn't matter. We're part of the same

28:06

community and therefore we've got each

28:08

other's backs. Which is why I

28:10

find Draco really interesting in this

28:12

chapter, Matt. Draco is such a

28:14

jerk in this chapter and just

28:16

like, for no reason, he's

28:18

like barely been around. It's not like

28:20

Harry is really like bothering him or

28:23

whatever. And we only see Draco for

28:25

a minute, but at the end of

28:27

the chapter, Harry has actually done

28:29

a pretty good job in potions because for

28:31

the first time ever, Snape is ignoring him

28:33

rather than abusing him. And

28:36

he is about to turn in a

28:38

good potion, which we've just found out is

28:40

actually really important for his career, like being

28:42

able to turn in a couple of good

28:44

potions. And Draco intentionally knocks

28:46

the potion over so that Harry can't

28:48

turn it in. And I

28:50

was just thinking about how Draco

28:53

might not be part of a

28:55

community. And I'm wondering what

28:57

you think about that, because he he

29:00

thinks he's better than everyone. So I don't

29:02

think he's like a part of team Slytherin,

29:04

right? Like, I think he prefers

29:06

being in Slytherin than anything else, but I'm

29:09

not sure that he's someone who like particularly

29:11

cares about Slytherin. For the Quidditch

29:13

team, he bought his way on, right? And

29:15

like, there's just like an asterisk by his

29:17

name. And then his relationships

29:19

with Crab and Goyle, right? Like he's just

29:21

the boss. There's like no equality.

29:24

And I'm wondering

29:26

what you think about is

29:31

it possible to have community where

29:34

one person essentially has all of

29:36

the control? Right? Because

29:38

like that just seems like a dynamic

29:41

and potentially an incredibly unhealthy dynamic more

29:44

than a community. And I'm wondering if

29:46

part of why Draco is such a jerk all

29:49

the time is because he doesn't have any

29:51

community. Yeah, I think it's a good question. I

29:53

mean, I guess it depends if you see a

29:55

bad community is not a community. Right?

29:57

Like, which I can tell you I see right we if we're

30:00

defining community as something positive, and I think a

30:02

bad community is in the community. I think that's

30:04

what you're getting at, right? But if we're taking

30:06

this kind of bare-bones definition of you move together,

30:09

right? I mean, I think a lot of

30:11

what the Slytherin community is now, and certainly

30:13

what the Death Eater community is and will

30:15

be, is a community based on fear,

30:18

right? You move together because you're afraid. Either of what

30:20

will happen to you or what will happen to others.

30:22

That is definitely the way that Voldemort exerts power, and

30:24

you can see that that trickles down to the way

30:26

that notable families

30:29

within his circle also operate and operate

30:31

with one another, and that trickles down

30:33

to the way that the Slytherins operate.

30:35

And so, like, they do move

30:37

together in that basic way, but I don't think

30:39

that they build each other up. You know what

30:41

I mean? What we're saying about the Weasley's is

30:43

that, like, the sum of their courage adds up

30:45

to more than the parts, right?

30:47

Because their courage feeds off each other,

30:49

builds one another. They actually grow into

30:51

something more powerful than anyone individually is.

30:53

I think, and this is why

30:55

they lose at the end of the series, right?

30:58

I think the opposite happens with communities based on

31:00

fear, which is that we draw from each other.

31:02

We make each other more scared, less courageous, less

31:05

willing to risk for one another, less willing to

31:07

stand up for one another, because we're

31:09

mostly just scared of what's gonna happen to us. And

31:11

so, yeah, I think it's a community that has a

31:13

lot of potential to fail, but the

31:15

reason why it gets as far as it does, I think,

31:17

is because fear is a

31:19

really great motivator. I mean, it's not a healthy

31:21

motivator, and it's not a kind one, but

31:24

it can be a useful one. And we see

31:27

in this book and in forthcoming books

31:29

how effective it can be when you're

31:31

able or willing to

31:33

really wield fear ruthlessly to try to get people

31:35

to move together, right? Yeah,

31:38

I just hate it. I

31:40

really get reminded about how much I hate Drake, though,

31:42

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33:27

You mentioned Draco and Draco becomes part

33:29

of this inquisitorial squad in this chapter

33:31

that supports Umbridge as she

33:34

tries to enforce all her rules around

33:36

the school. One of the things that really

33:38

struck me at the end of this chapter and that final

33:40

climactic scene that I mentioned when Fred and George are about

33:42

to fly out of the building

33:44

is, you know, the whole school

33:47

has gathered. All the authorities

33:49

or whatever have gathered to punish Fred and

33:51

George. And then the other teachers have gathered

33:53

just to see what's going on. And

33:55

all the students, whether loyal to Umbridge

33:57

or loyal to Dumbledore or indifferent. They've

34:00

all gathered in this single space. The whole school

34:02

is there. And I just had

34:04

this mental image in my head of like, here is

34:06

the Hogwarts community. We have one sense of community, which

34:08

is just like, here are the people who are part

34:11

of Hogwarts and they're all in one place. But

34:13

then, especially as the text describes it,

34:15

you can see the inquisitorial squad standing together in one

34:18

place, and you see other members of

34:20

different houses standing together. We also have

34:22

these internal divisions within the community, sub-communities

34:24

within the community. It just got

34:27

me thinking about how every community is also

34:29

made up of people who are

34:31

moving against or moving alongside or

34:33

moving backwards or whatever. It's not

34:36

always just moving together, right? Communities

34:38

are made up of sub-communities and

34:40

individuals who are resisting or pressing

34:42

or turning or refusing or whatever.

34:44

And we see that in the

34:46

Hogwarts community in this final scene. And

34:49

you could even imagine someone saying, like,

34:51

we're not in community together. We just

34:53

like live in the same castle, right?

34:55

Like, I'm not in community with the

34:57

people in my apartment building. Whereas other,

34:59

to some extent, community is a feeling.

35:02

And I remember the first night

35:04

of freshman orientation when I was

35:07

a proctor in my third huge

35:09

living with 18-year-olds. But the first

35:11

night, they would have this cheering

35:14

competition where every floor

35:16

would see who could cheer the

35:18

loudest. And my floor never did

35:20

well because I could not

35:22

quite get myself to

35:24

encourage them to just

35:26

feel like a community because they all

35:28

lived on the same floor, right? Like,

35:31

I was like, we will become a

35:33

community by promising to

35:35

each other that we're gonna respect

35:37

each other's space and quiet. And

35:40

we're gonna do study breaks and get to

35:42

know each other. But right now, we're just

35:45

a group of people who were all assigned

35:47

to live somewhere. And I

35:49

know that other people really are like, okay,

35:51

we've been assigned to live somewhere together. That's

35:54

it. We're a small community. And

35:56

I've just always been really resistant to that.

35:59

Yeah, I love thinking. about this because absolutely

36:01

like you go through something together like

36:03

it's very easy from the outside to

36:05

see that this is a unique community

36:07

there are only a couple of hundred

36:09

students in this space in this moment

36:12

and yet also like I

36:14

don't know if they all just live in the same castle yeah

36:17

that's fair so

36:30

Vanessa now it's time for our weekly

36:32

sacred reading practice and this week we

36:34

are continuing our practice of L'Ectio Divina

36:36

which originates in Christian medieval practices of

36:39

reading the bible it's a four stage

36:41

process and we are going to pick

36:43

a line at random

36:45

from the chapter and

36:48

go through this four stage process so I

36:50

am randomly selected a line from the chapter and

36:52

here it is professor

36:54

Umbridge's smile vanished as

36:56

suddenly as a light bulb blowing oof

37:02

so in the first step of L'Ectio

37:04

Divina we just talk about what's literally

37:06

going on in the chapter like when

37:08

this line occurs in the chapter what

37:10

is literally going on do you

37:12

remember Vanessa? yes Matt this isn't one of the

37:14

most satisfying scenes in the

37:16

entire series I would argue and

37:19

that is when Harry and McGonagall

37:22

are having their careers advice

37:24

meeting but Umbridge has invited

37:26

herself to sit in and

37:29

so they have been talking about how Harry wants to

37:31

be an or and McGonagall

37:33

is like well it's a good thing that you're

37:35

really good at defense against the dark arts and

37:37

Umbridge is like no he's

37:39

not and McGonagall is like I'm

37:42

sorry he's been good with every competent

37:45

teacher you

37:47

haven't liked him but you're

37:49

horrible that was subtext and

37:52

then professor Umbridge's smile vanished as suddenly

37:54

as a light bulb blowing that's

37:56

a great summary it's a great line from

38:00

I should have made my meaning a planar.

38:02

He has achieved high marks in all defense

38:05

against the dark arts tests set

38:07

by a competent teacher. That's

38:10

right. That's a great summary, Vanessa.

38:12

So step two of La Cudavina is

38:15

to reflect upon what this reminds us

38:17

of in other

38:20

cultural texts or other areas of culture.

38:23

Matt, my family is in the

38:25

middle of watching Hitchcock movies. My

38:28

11-year-old has become obsessed with Alfred

38:30

Hitchcock. And so we watched North

38:33

by Northwest over the weekend. And

38:37

there is a relationship between

38:39

Cary Grant and

38:41

Ava Marie Saint, and he thinks that

38:43

they're in love. And then

38:45

it turns out she's a spy for the

38:47

other side. Just like

38:49

that, you're not who I

38:51

thought you were. Interesting.

38:54

He goes from being like, I'm in

38:57

love with you to being like, you're

38:59

a traitor and I'm heartbroken. What

39:02

about you, Matt? That's interesting. That's

39:04

a nice emotional association. I'm just going for what's

39:06

right on the surface, which is the light bulb

39:08

blowing. Okay. Blowing makes

39:11

me feel like it blew up. And

39:13

it reminds me of the movie The Natural, which is not

39:15

a movie I've seen recently. I think I saw it as

39:17

a kid. But I just know. Based

39:20

on the Bernard Malamud novel? That's right. The

39:23

end of the movie, at least, when

39:26

Robert Redford hits the home run with a

39:28

different bat because the bat he has used

39:30

all the time has just broken, which by

39:32

the way, listeners, that's not the way

39:34

bats work in Major League Baseball these days. They

39:37

go through like a bat a day. They break these bats all the

39:40

time. Anyway, Robert Redford, in

39:42

his last at bat ever, hits

39:44

a home run and the ball goes up into the

39:46

lights and hits the lights and

39:48

a shower of sparks fall

39:51

on him as he rounds

39:54

the bases. It's very dramatic.

39:56

When I think of light bulbs blowing in

39:58

American popular culture, I think of the end of the natural. I

40:01

love both of these answers because

40:04

this is a celebratory

40:06

moment for McGonagall, right? Like

40:09

Umbridge's smile vanishing, like

40:11

a light bulb blowing is an

40:14

awesome moment for McGonagall. And

40:17

then also this like, I thought we were

40:19

on the same team. I don't think that

40:22

Umbridge like thought she and

40:24

McGonagall were like besties, but

40:26

I think she thought the

40:28

McGonagall was going to like

40:30

maintain professionalism. Or at least respect

40:32

her authority. Right? Exactly. And

40:35

in this moment, I think you and I

40:37

would both agree that what McGonagall does here

40:39

is awesome and is like respecting a bigger

40:41

authority, which is like believing in

40:44

a child's education. But I

40:46

think that we did a great job with step two. I

40:48

agree. I can't wait to see what we do with the next

40:50

two steps. And that's a step three of Lecture

40:54

Zavina is we speak about what

40:56

this reminds us of in our own lives. Have

40:59

you ever hit a home run that has knocked out a light

41:01

bulb and showered sparks upon you as you run to the basis?

41:05

I'm trying to think of moments where I've been

41:07

like smiling and I got a piece of news

41:09

and I was like, Oh, nevermind. I mean,

41:12

Matt, what it reminds me of I've

41:14

been thinking about this lately, and I'm

41:16

not sure why there was there was

41:18

one night when I was doing my

41:20

clinical pastoral education in an emergency room

41:23

and the social worker

41:26

had clocked out for some reason. I

41:29

was the person who called someone to

41:32

tell them that their son had gotten

41:34

into a motorcycle accident. And

41:37

it's the only time I ever

41:39

had to give that news. And

41:41

just like dialing the number being

41:43

like keenly aware that no matter

41:45

what was going on with this

41:47

person, I was about to make their

41:50

life infinitely worse,

41:53

right? Like they're really just becomes this

41:55

like heady thing where you're like, every

41:57

second they don't know, other seconds. they

42:00

have peace. This was almost 10

42:03

years ago and I just remember it so vividly,

42:05

you know, being handed the phone number

42:07

by the nurse and being told what the person's name

42:09

was, like all of it. And yeah,

42:11

just like having to give that news knowing

42:14

that I was effectively like blowing up their

42:17

light bulb. That's what it reminds me of. Yeah,

42:19

this is reminding something that happened in lecture a few weeks

42:21

ago. My lecture style is not

42:23

unlike my podcast host style, which

42:25

is I think I generally have like

42:28

a warm and cheery tone, but

42:30

also kind of like podcast host

42:32

style. I also will kind of abruptly

42:35

speak about very dark or sad

42:37

things. And

42:39

I just noticed in lecture a couple weeks ago, I

42:41

can't remember the exact example, but I was saying some

42:43

things and people were chuckling and I just kind of

42:45

dropped something kind of heavy. And one person laughed in

42:48

the room. And I was

42:50

like, Oh, I mean, oh, sorry, that was

42:52

serious. And I felt like bad because I

42:54

was like, I don't blame you for laughing

42:56

because obviously the momentum of this paragraph was

42:59

here's something that's not too heavy. And then I ended

43:01

it with a very heavy thing. It just reminds me

43:03

of that moment where we're just kind of like, Oh,

43:05

smile vanishing really suddenly in the room. Matt

43:08

Potts just flicked off the light of

43:10

happiness in here. And I kept

43:13

smiling by mistake. I

43:15

would like to withdraw my chuckle. That's

43:18

what it's reminding me. If

43:21

that person, I do not blame you for your, your

43:23

chuckle. I know it's my fault. Vanessa

43:25

step four of Lectio is we reflect upon

43:28

what this line is calling us to do

43:30

in our life. What

43:32

is this calling you to do? It makes me feel

43:34

cold to like not being scared to

43:36

say the thing that's going to make

43:39

other people's style vanish or the other

43:41

way around. Right? Life

43:44

is complicated. I think

43:47

that even amongst like

43:49

sadness, we

43:51

should take the levity where we can find it.

43:53

And then also I think amongst levity, this is

43:56

just like a very Jewish thing, right? Like you break

43:58

a glass at the wedding to remind yourself that

44:00

on the happiest day is like there's still destruction

44:02

in the world. You you know

44:04

pour out part of your wine

44:06

at Seder. You like every celebration

44:09

in Judaism is cut by acknowledgement

44:11

that there is suffering in the world. Yeah. And

44:14

yeah I just like I don't

44:16

know I feel fine about that. Like yeah

44:19

every once in a while telling people something that'll break

44:21

their smiles. Yeah I

44:24

mean that's why I don't I don't blame the person for

44:26

chuckling in my classroom but I think that's also why I

44:28

talk that way is like if you can only laugh when

44:31

you pretend the world isn't suffering then you shouldn't laugh. Right

44:34

exactly. You kind of have to see the world

44:36

as it is. What this has me thinking about

44:38

with this line is I'm gonna I'm gonna lead

44:40

us on a little journey. You know there's this

44:42

adage a smile brightens the room right you can

44:45

see the association in this line between a smile

44:47

and light but umbrage of smile is not a

44:49

genuine smile right. Yeah. What's happening here is like

44:51

the smile is vanishing because it was never really

44:53

there there's not actual joy beneath it there's not

44:55

happiness beneath it and that's why the

44:57

light goes out right. I think that yeah

45:00

so maybe it's connected to what you were saying like to be able to

45:02

smile in face of

45:04

darkness is actually what brightens the room

45:06

not to smile as a

45:08

way to pretend it's not there or something. In

45:11

The Plague by Albert Camus two of the

45:13

characters when the plague is raging they decide

45:15

to go for a swim they're friends and

45:18

they're two of the like the frontline workers in

45:20

this plague in the city the name of which

45:22

I can't even remember now the fictional city but

45:24

they decide to go for a swim and one

45:26

character smiles to the other and the

45:29

way that Camus describes it it says it's a

45:31

smile that's forgotten nothing not even murder right

45:34

like this smile is not one that's pretending the

45:36

world is not as bad as it is but

45:38

can take joy in this moment despite the fact that the

45:40

world is as it is and that's a real genuine

45:42

smile that is a smile it does give light in

45:45

the midst of darkness rather than pretend that there's

45:47

light or or give the illusion of light in

45:49

the midst of darkness. Always good to

45:51

remind us of Camus. Well

45:53

Matt thank you so much for that

45:55

really beautiful Leptio Divina. Thank you Vanessa. Do

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47:49

Our voice memo this week is from Janie. Hi

47:53

you all. I'm a long time listener

47:55

but I've been waiting for the perfect

47:57

opportunity to bless Janie Weasley. after

48:00

listening to your episode

48:02

on the St. Mungo's chapter from

48:04

book five It

48:06

just really felt like the right time You

48:08

guys talked about how Jenny is the

48:11

one to receive Arthur's hug when he's

48:13

in the hospital And

48:15

I like Jenny and the youngest in my

48:18

family. I have three

48:20

older brothers So, you know not the

48:22

same as five but but similar And

48:25

I think it's really easy for people

48:27

to see the times that being the

48:29

youngest and being the only girl Is

48:33

really great, you know in times of crisis

48:35

I would be the only one of my

48:37

family to receive a hug from my parents even

48:40

if my brothers didn't but

48:42

it's a little tougher I think if you haven't lived it

48:44

to see the hard parts and so

48:46

much of why Jenny's my favorite character is

48:49

because I really look up to

48:51

the way that she Handles the hard parts of

48:53

being the youngest in her family and

48:55

of being the only girl I

48:58

think anyone who has any kind of separation

49:00

from their siblings whether it's you

49:02

know a big age gap or a

49:04

difference in interests or gender or Whatever

49:06

it may be can really look

49:09

to Jenny and see how she just

49:11

fiercely advocates for herself She

49:15

doesn't let Excluding

49:17

her be even on the table

49:20

as an option she

49:22

is confident in her position as a

49:24

really important member of the Weasley family

49:26

and she cultivates

49:30

strong relationships with all of her brothers

49:33

and As

49:35

I've read and reread these books Seeing

49:38

Jenny do this has given me so

49:40

much confidence to do the same and has

49:43

strengthened my relationships with everyone in my family

49:46

so blessings for Jenny and blessings

49:48

for all little

49:50

siblings Thank

49:53

You Jenny for that lovely voice my moment for

49:55

being such a great younger sibling the

49:57

half of an SMI that our younger

49:59

siblings are grateful for this blessing, and the half

50:01

of it, our older siblings, are also grateful for our

50:03

younger siblings, and for the blessing that they are to

50:05

us. So thank you. It

50:10

is now time for us to remember members

50:12

of our community who have been loved and

50:14

lost. Reem

50:18

Nabhan, who is three years old, a

50:21

beloved daughter, granddaughter, and sister.

50:27

Eric Nabhan, who is five,

50:30

a beloved brother, son, and

50:32

godson. Sherry

50:37

Leibich, who is 84, a grandmother,

50:40

mother, wife, and friend to

50:42

anyone she met. May

50:48

their memories be a blessing to us all. Matt,

50:58

we now offer blessings to characters in

51:01

the chapter. Who are you blessing? I'm

51:03

going to follow Janie's lead, and I'd

51:05

like to bless Janie. Janie is the

51:07

one who kind of starts everything rolling

51:09

in this chapter. She's with Harry when

51:12

the box of Easter eggs comes. She's

51:14

there to receive Harry's emotion and vulnerability, and

51:16

also the one to suggest like, you know, nothing's

51:18

impossible when you've got the Weasleys on your side.

51:20

And she's right. She's right to have that opinion,

51:22

and she's right to share it with Harry, and

51:24

all that happens in the rest of this chapter

51:26

really comes down to her making

51:28

these connections. So Janie's instrumental, as in so many

51:30

things in these books, but in this chapter in

51:33

particular. So I wanted to bless her this week.

51:35

Who are you blessing? I love that.

51:37

Nothing's impossible when the Weasleys are on your side.

51:39

I am blessing Hermione

51:42

because there was a moment that we talked

51:44

about earlier in which Draco spills Harry's really

51:46

good potion. And so he's like, Harry's about

51:48

to go back to his cauldron to, you

51:51

know, get a little bit of the potion

51:53

that's maybe left at the bottom of it.

51:55

But Hermione has already cleaned his cauldron. And

51:59

she's like, Oh my God. I'm so sorry Harry and

52:01

I just want to say her money. There's nothing

52:03

to be sorry for that's such a beautiful gesture

52:05

that you just like clean up

52:07

on your way out the door and I

52:11

just want to know everything about this like is

52:13

she always cleaning up after Ron and Harry or

52:15

like Do they not really

52:17

have to clean up and she just has a second so she's

52:19

able to I don't know what it is but I Just

52:23

know that she probably feels so bad even

52:25

though she was just doing a very kind

52:27

thing So I want to offer a blessing

52:29

for kind things that have

52:31

gone wrong It

52:34

doesn't make them less kind Next

52:36

week we're gonna be reading book 5 chapter 30 Gralp

52:39

through the theme of determination with

52:42

the wonderful Jackson bird Just

52:45

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53:09

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53:16

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53:27

this week You

53:54

Can I count you in Michigan

54:00

What is it for Mike? Michigan just pronounced

54:02

her eyes very long like short E's. I said, can

54:04

I count you N? That's

54:07

not the way it's pronounced. Yes, you can. Can I

54:09

count you in? Okay, can

54:12

I count you in? Wow. That's what that

54:14

was. Please do. Can I count you

54:16

in? No, okay. Can I count

54:18

you in? Are you sure you're ready? Now

54:21

I'm in my head. Can

54:23

I count you in? Can I count you in? Can I

54:25

count you in? I can't. What's my

54:27

motivation here, AJ? What's my motivation? I don't... I

54:30

can't. I can't. What's my

54:32

motivation here, AJ? What's my motivation?