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22, St. Mungo's Hospital

2:05

for Magical Maladies and

2:07

Injuries. Harry was so

2:09

relieved that she was taking him

2:11

seriously that he did not hesitate,

2:14

but jumped out of bed at once, pulled

2:17

on his dressing gown, and pushed

2:19

his glasses back onto his nose.

2:22

I'm Vanessa Zoltan. And

2:24

I'm Mauricio Bruce. And

2:26

this is Harry Potter and the Sacred Text.

2:30

We have a special guest today. I'm

2:32

going to describe you now in the

2:34

roles that you have in order of

2:36

importance. Okay. Okay? Number

2:39

one, you're one of my oldest and best

2:41

friends. This is true. I

2:43

think that's actually all the people need to know. Is

2:46

that something right? That's

2:49

my only role. That is,

2:51

he just sits and waits for me to

2:53

call. Mauricio,

2:56

you are a therapist. You are

2:58

a third year Master's of Divinity

3:00

student at Harvard Divinity School. And

3:02

you teach with me our What

3:04

Matters class, and you're going to

3:06

be leading a pilgrimage with us

3:08

in 2025. And

3:11

we just wanted to introduce you to everybody because

3:13

as soon as people meet

3:15

you, you become their favorite. I'm

3:18

very excited to be here. I

3:20

am one of your oldest and closest friends. Pulls

3:25

us apart and brings us back together. And

3:27

now just because of things, we're both back

3:29

in Cambridge. I know. And

3:31

that's exciting. It is so exciting.

3:34

So I have just a few announcements before we jump in

3:36

and I ask you to tell your story. One

3:39

is that we are going to have a bonus conversation

3:41

for our patrons. And

3:43

I thought that I would make you talk about a

3:46

St. Mungo's type experience, which you and I have

3:48

both had surgery in the last six months. And

3:51

so I thought that you and I could each tell

3:53

a story about waking up from surgery. Because

3:56

you and I are very funny on drugs.

4:00

I thought why not embarrass ourselves

4:02

and tell a story that will make Arthur

4:04

feel accompanied. That's good. Great.

4:07

And then other than that, we just want to

4:09

tell people that you can subscribe to ad-free episodes

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listen to our Patreon park at patreon.com/Harry

4:18

Potter sacred text. Mauricio,

4:20

you have a story for us on

4:22

the theme of individuality. What

4:24

story are you telling us today? Okay.

4:27

I have a story that this chapter

4:30

immediately takes me back to and this

4:32

is 2007. So

4:35

I was living in St. Louis at the

4:37

time. Everyone should know I'm originally from Costa

4:39

Rica and I had moved to the United

4:41

States to be in college. And I

4:43

also was pretty sure that I

4:46

wanted to figure out a way to stay

4:48

in the United States, find a job or

4:51

find a way to stay. So

4:53

I'd been working as an admissions officer

4:55

at Washington University in St. Louis, a

4:58

job that I really didn't like. Not

5:01

because of the job, just it wasn't for me. And

5:04

what happened was in 2007, one stormy

5:07

night, I

5:10

had a dream. And in the

5:12

dream, this man who called

5:14

himself a shaman in Mexico spoke

5:17

to me and he called me up

5:20

into his little

5:22

hut, which had lots of

5:24

birds flying inside and it was

5:26

covered in water. Like the floor had about a foot of

5:28

water and there were lots of fish. And

5:31

he said to me, you know,

5:33

you need to go back home. And I

5:35

said, what? No. He said, yeah, you

5:37

need to go back to Costa Rica because

5:40

if you don't, awful things will happen. And

5:43

I woke up from my dream, really

5:45

scared and also really frustrated

5:47

because I didn't want to leave. I

5:49

wanted to stay in the United States, but I felt

5:52

that this dream was an order that

5:56

I could not not follow. And so

5:58

2009, I had

6:00

quit my job, I had packed up my apartment,

6:02

I had given up my

6:04

visa privileges, and I was

6:07

moving back to Costa Rica, all because of

6:09

this dream that made me feel like

6:11

it was imperative and important that

6:14

I move. This

6:17

dream obviously connects me to

6:19

chapter 22 for very obvious

6:21

reasons, but also for this feeling

6:23

that I had that there was one

6:25

part of it that it was, you're special,

6:27

and so you have to listen to

6:29

this communication from the other

6:32

world, whatever that means, but also

6:34

if you don't do it, you're

6:37

gonna be singled out as bad. Bad

6:40

things will happen to you if you don't follow

6:43

the instructions and move to Costa Rica. So

6:45

I moved and I actually ended up doing

6:47

great things in Costa Rica, I lived here

6:49

for, I still live here. I've

6:52

just recently moved back to Cambridge for

6:54

Harvard, but in a way I have

6:57

always thought of that dream as sort of my destiny

6:59

calling. I don't know

7:01

if I believe in destiny, but that's the way I

7:03

interpret that dream, and it became this important moment in

7:05

my life when I had to think about me

7:09

in the context of something larger

7:11

that was out there sort of guiding

7:13

me, which hadn't been a part of my reality

7:15

until then. Now, thank you so

7:18

much for that story. When Matt's

7:20

not here, I look at the etymology

7:22

of words, and individuality

7:24

starts getting used, I think pretty long

7:26

ago, considering other things I know about

7:28

how we think of ourselves, which is

7:31

in the 1610s, and

7:34

it meant the aggregate of

7:36

one's idiosyncrasies. But then

7:38

it also, in more medieval

7:40

Christian times, meant the condition

7:42

of existing as an individual.

7:45

And I love thinking of individuality as

7:48

a condition, that

7:50

there are some conditions in which your

7:52

individuality is not the thing that matters,

7:55

you are part of a community, and

7:57

so you're not an individual, you

7:59

are... a Weasley and like all

8:01

Weasley children are pulled into an office

8:03

and actually Harry, you're not an individual.

8:05

You are also a Weasley in the

8:08

St. Mungo's Room, but you're an individual

8:10

in Dumbledore's office, right? So it can

8:12

really be fluid when we are an

8:15

individual and when we are sort of part of

8:17

a community. But also when

8:19

we are really individuated, like

8:22

there's a lot of freedom in that, but

8:24

like so much pressure and responsibility in that

8:27

too. And I think your story really beautifully

8:29

articulates that. There's power,

8:31

there's responsibility, there's freedom, but

8:34

there's also all eyes on you. Right.

8:36

So I completely agree. I

8:38

like that that what you brought up, it's

8:40

a condition. Yeah.

8:42

So now we will remind people

8:44

what it is that happened in

8:47

this chapter. We will each

8:49

take our turn. I will try my

8:51

best to recap the chapter in 30 seconds

8:53

and then you will try to recap the

8:55

chapter in 30 seconds. Can you please count

8:57

me in? Yes.

9:00

Three, two, one,

9:02

go. So

9:04

Harry convinces McGonagall and they all go

9:07

to Dumbledore's office and Fox, like they

9:09

are very worried that Umbridge is going to come

9:11

in and they find Arthur's body

9:14

through the portrait and then it

9:16

becomes clear that Arthur is in a lot

9:18

of danger. And so Dumbledore turns a portkey

9:20

into something into a portkey and Dumbledore and

9:23

Harry lock eyes and Harry feels pain and

9:25

then they go to Sirius and then they

9:27

go to Arthur and Arthur was attacked protecting

9:29

something, but we don't know what and he's

9:31

going to be okay. Don't

9:34

worry now. Arthur is going to be

9:36

okay. Okay.

9:39

Okay. Mauricio,

9:41

are you ready? Ready.

9:44

On your mark, get set, go. Okay.

9:47

So Harry wakes up from his dream and

9:49

he's really scared. He's called out to tell

9:51

people that Mr. Weasley is

9:53

hurt. So McGonagall takes him

9:56

to Dumbledore who believes him and he has these

9:58

little machines which he uses to like. Frame

10:00

and explore. Harrys had any with and and

10:02

they are either party but they lock eyes

10:04

and he feel that she wants to kill

10:06

Dumbledore. but these are go to serious and

10:09

spend the night and then they got a

10:11

Sigma Goes where they see Mister Weasley and

10:13

he's gonna be okay but he was fixing

10:15

something and then six years that keep. An

10:19

eye on them arts. Is

10:25

possessed by Baltimore. That's

10:28

why we since we

10:30

since people. For

10:34

you to hear. Some. Receive the

10:37

most obvious place. To. Me:

10:39

where we like really see individuality. Is

10:41

this a slate? Jury has

10:43

of this and nobody else has

10:45

seen it and everybody is acting

10:48

on this information that only he

10:50

has been defense and it is

10:52

information that. Only. He has

10:54

been given because of lot of

10:56

very specific circumstances and yeah it

10:58

is up to everybody else as

11:01

to whether or not will be

11:03

believed in taken seriously re and

11:05

so it is simultaneously totally about

11:07

him as an individual and yet

11:10

it is also entirely. About how

11:12

people respond. To. Him and

11:14

his isolation. Missy single some sell thousand

11:16

away. He comes out of the pack

11:18

and says I had to stream this

11:20

is what's going on I have information

11:22

and everybody around him has to turn.

11:25

And. Decide whether this is real or not the

11:27

We believe this person. Is this true or

11:29

not? You. Know the.

11:33

Really scary. Moments and our regular

11:35

lives. Right when you're the only person

11:37

who see something as troubling, when you're

11:39

the only person who, whatever it is

11:41

like if you're the only person in

11:44

your family has like no, no, the

11:46

car is parked. In. the east

11:48

person lot and everybody else is like know

11:50

it's the last and you're like know now

11:52

i am one hundred percent sure rights that

11:55

even if you are sure as you are

11:57

walking to the parking lot and every is

11:59

following you know, right? Like there's so

12:01

much pressure because you individuated

12:04

yourself. Yeah, you're sure that

12:06

it's in the East parking lot. You

12:08

start taking everyone there, everyone who said,

12:10

not here. And

12:12

then you start doubting, right, whether it's in

12:14

the East parking lot or not. Right. And

12:16

you start thinking if I brought them all

12:18

the way here, and for some

12:21

reason, my memory is wrong, and the car

12:23

is not here. I may have to

12:25

face the consequences. Yeah, having

12:28

like put my neck out. Right.

12:31

And I love that Harry like you press

12:34

his dream enough to follow it. And

12:36

I, I do think that part of

12:38

the reason he does is because it's

12:40

someone who he loves that risk. If

12:43

it was a dream about his own

12:45

demise, I wonder what Harry would do.

12:47

But he like, this is worth sticking

12:49

my neck out for it is possible that

12:51

Mr. Weasley is seriously injured.

12:54

That's a good point. If it hadn't been

12:56

Mr. Weasley, if it been just some random person

12:58

that he saw, you know, some

13:01

worker in the ministry who

13:03

he saw, opened by the snake,

13:05

would he have stuck his

13:08

neck out? Or is this something about love and

13:10

about the clan? Yeah, I do

13:12

think it's in part his love of Mr.

13:14

Weasley that he's like, this is worse. Even

13:16

if I'm wrong, this is worth being wrong about. Yeah.

13:20

Yeah, it's interesting also that this is the first

13:22

dream where he's looking through the eyes of a

13:24

snake. There's something there's a different

13:26

quality to this dream. And

13:29

I think talks even brings it up and says

13:31

this isn't about seeing the future. This is about

13:33

seeing the present. We don't really know how to

13:35

work with this. This is new. You're different. Yeah.

13:39

So being singled out always

13:41

puts you in a place that could

13:43

be both good. And

13:45

that could be bad for you, right? Like

13:47

with the pressure of everyone watching, right? I

13:49

had this weird dream. Nobody has dreams like

13:52

this. This is not a quote unquote

13:54

known form of magic. Right.

13:57

So what does that say about me? Am I

13:59

shiny? here? Is this a

14:01

good superpower? Or is this

14:03

a bad thing? Is this something that's dangerous? Am I

14:06

in trouble? Did I

14:08

somehow kill Mr. Weasley? He's

14:10

so glad that he has this information because

14:12

he's able to save Arthur's

14:15

life. But he's also really

14:17

scared that he participated and was

14:19

like deeply complicit in

14:21

this injury. And so I think that,

14:24

yeah, it's heightened in this moment.

14:26

But I think that that is

14:28

exactly the fear with individuality. It's

14:32

I'm seeing something exciting, but also people

14:34

could laugh at me, whatever it is,

14:36

right? Like there's always the both

14:38

of it. I love it.

14:40

Harry is so sensitive in this chapter.

14:42

He's like really looking around

14:44

at everyone and trying to figure

14:46

out how they're reacting to him.

14:49

And the one that like really

14:51

hurts him the most is Dumbledore.

14:53

So like he keeps saying like,

14:55

I just wish Dumbledore would look

14:57

at me. It's really irritating him

14:59

that Dumbledore isn't looking at him.

15:01

And I'm wondering what you make

15:03

of that in terms of individuality.

15:07

One of the first questions that I come to

15:09

is why isn't Dumbledore looking

15:11

at him? What is Dumbledore going through?

15:13

What is Dumbledore feeling or sensing or

15:15

thinking? Or in a way, how

15:18

is Dumbledore protecting Harry as an adult who really

15:20

loves Harry, saying I don't want to look at

15:22

him because I don't want him to see the

15:24

fear in my eyes, the concern in my eyes.

15:27

Yeah, Harry doesn't know and we as the

15:29

readers don't know in this moment, but like

15:32

it will turn out that Dumbledore has like

15:34

an actual agenda. But yes, like Harry has

15:36

no idea. I think even if I

15:38

bring it to my life,

15:40

in moments when I stick my

15:42

neck out and I say something,

15:45

and somebody whose support I want isn't

15:47

looking at me, the hole I feel

15:49

in my stomach.

15:52

Here I am sticking my neck out for

15:54

all of us, I may think. And you're

15:56

not looking at

15:59

me and there's no magical reason that

16:01

I know of, right? Right.

16:05

But there might be a love reason. I can't

16:07

look at you right now because I feel

16:09

so proud, because I feel so much love, and it's

16:12

hard for me to hold that. Or

16:15

because I feel so concerned, I feel so afraid

16:17

of what you're saying, and I don't want to

16:19

take your strength away. So

16:22

I think when

16:24

Dumbledore doesn't look at Harry, magical

16:27

reason aside, there's

16:31

also an individuality, and there's a power

16:33

that's given to Harry by not having

16:35

to support himself on

16:38

Dumbledore's gaze, right? Like Harry

16:40

needs to hold this on his own. It's

16:42

a part of growing up, and it's a

16:44

part of maturing, that you need to be

16:46

able to hold your individuality yourself. The moment

16:48

you rely on someone else for that, it's

16:50

no longer individuality. Right, and I think

16:53

that's part of what Harry is

16:55

crying out for, right? He's like,

16:57

I'm not ready to do this

16:59

alone. You feel individuated in a

17:01

horrible way. Like you feel singled out, right? He's

17:03

looking at everybody else. And

17:06

it is so hard in those moments to do

17:08

what you just modeled for us, of assuming that

17:10

it's coming from a place of love, or

17:12

from knowing some deep magical strategy, right? You're

17:14

just like, you just don't even think. I

17:16

deserve to be looked at. When

17:19

you feel singled out, it's so easy

17:21

to start doubting yourself. And

17:24

I think because we all carry around

17:26

guilt for being imperfect people, we are

17:29

all very quick to believe that

17:31

other people are judging us for those things,

17:33

when that is not usually the case, other

17:35

people. My

17:38

desk being clean is a standard to which I

17:40

hold myself. But when I take people on a

17:42

tour of my office, and I'm like, I'm sorry,

17:44

my desk is a mess, I don't think most

17:46

people are actually being like, that

17:49

desk looks messy, right? Like

17:51

we can feel judged for

17:53

exactly the things that we judge

17:55

ourselves for. But that's not what's

17:57

going on with Dumbledore at all. We

18:00

actually know rate that Dumbledore is not

18:02

looking at Harry because. A

18:04

because of like his loving concerned for

18:07

Harry right? she doesn't want Harry to

18:09

become Marvel that then for Voldemort and.

18:12

To is. It's just like

18:14

actually about Dumbledore, which is almost always that

18:16

t if someone is judging you are pulling

18:18

away right? Like it's not about Harry, it's

18:21

about Dumbledore in his specificity and in his

18:23

individuality. Dumbledore knows that. Waldemar.

18:26

Wants to get to him right? Like Dumbledore

18:28

has all the special knowledge and special power

18:30

in the one person evil the most most

18:32

serious as Dumbledore. And so you know he's

18:35

not. So no one said, look at Harrys.

18:37

But like Waldemar isn't gonna care to weaponize

18:39

Harry by listening in to conversations that he's

18:41

having with her my knees. His conversations with

18:44

Dumbledore that Waldemar will try to sort of

18:46

like crap and to hurt his head for.

18:48

So it's interesting. What does it is a

18:50

kind of hubris were Dumbledore. It's like me

18:53

for the mars gonna want to get me.

18:55

but. It's actually right size like he

18:57

is absolutely grad. School

19:00

even get a moment about right

19:02

before the port keyword word a

19:04

hairy and Dumbledore lock eyes we

19:07

see sort of Voldemort come through

19:09

and feel this anger. And you

19:11

know harry, what's to fight? Dumbledore.

19:15

And we see how much that hurts

19:17

Harry and how much that scares Harrys

19:19

And so we can also see with

19:21

doubled was protecting him from for they

19:23

were more of that last. It's not

19:25

like Voldemort comes in and moves Harry

19:27

out of the way. Harrys still there

19:29

to feel of things. He feels. Yeah,

19:32

I think you're right. I hadn't thought of that that.

19:34

It's like. It's. Not just strategy,

19:36

it's also love for Harrys suspect

19:38

this time that Dumbledore is looking

19:40

at Harry right leg. He thinks

19:42

that Harrys gonna be looking away

19:44

in this moment the he's gonna

19:46

be looking at the Port Keys.

19:49

And so he is sort of

19:51

like watching this child and time

19:53

to deeds how he's feeling and

19:55

they happen to cat's eyes. That

19:57

like Harry even has the wrong

19:59

information. Dumbledore, Iirc looking at hand

20:01

is not making eye contact with

20:03

him. And will you

20:05

bring it up? that way it becomes

20:07

really beautiful, right? Yes, he's protecting him

20:09

from a distance, the way she can

20:11

protect them. And knowing that there are.

20:14

Bigger. Things going on. That theory.

20:17

And. And pretty much but nobody knows

20:19

yet. Rates like we don't even the

20:21

reader doesn't know about the for praxis

20:23

was. As. Playing.

20:26

Out right here see the connection.

20:29

And Dumbledore trying to handle this

20:31

information sensitively, were also taking care

20:34

of. Harrys are also protecting himself.

20:36

While so, Dumbledore has. Probably.

20:39

A bigger role as an individual because

20:41

of how much knowledge he has and

20:44

how much he needs to be able

20:46

to juggle this. When Harry comes in

20:48

and Dumbledore start sending his portraits off

20:50

you go to St. Mongers, You do

20:52

this. He gulps any sort of see

20:54

the Dumbledore old which and with your

20:57

team, yeah, there's something there that's kind

20:59

of beautiful. race. Of all these old

21:01

headmasters, all their energies or their souls,

21:03

I don't know how to put his

21:05

work at all. Sort of coming together

21:08

as a team. To. Help

21:10

with whatever is going on. And

21:12

also you see Dumbledore as a

21:15

leader that. We will see either

21:17

This idea that the Dumbledore doesn't

21:19

let anyone that we like never

21:21

see a sort of council around

21:24

Dumbledore, whereas methodical the second she

21:26

becomes headmistress is like poverty. Please

21:28

come. Yeah, I need everybody's out.

21:30

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21:33

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21:35

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21:37

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21:40

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21:42

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21:44

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21:46

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21:48

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Out there is like it's the

23:34

opposite of individuality and this chapter

23:36

in i think a really beautiful

23:38

I which is set the weasley

23:40

use become though we usually is

23:42

right like. There's no incentive.

23:44

There's no Fred and George. There's

23:46

no distinction between the before is

23:48

except media perceive wish you know

23:50

is it's own thanks It is

23:52

weak all the we've we told

23:54

and. All. of the weasley

23:56

is are welcome at serious as house

23:59

and it's this christ that has made

24:01

them not separate

24:03

from each other at all, but like

24:05

as a family, right? They really cohere.

24:08

Yes, and as you're saying this,

24:10

I'm thinking, Mr. Weasley is singled

24:13

out because he's the hurt one.

24:15

And so when Mr. Weasley gets singled

24:17

out, they all sort of coalesce around

24:20

him, right? The clan has

24:22

formed around the individual to protect him

24:24

and to help him heal. Yes.

24:27

So yeah, it is the Weasleys and all

24:29

the siblings are called in and they're all

24:31

taken to Sirius's and they're all treated as

24:33

sort of this mass, but because

24:36

they're coming around the one

24:38

who's sort of sticking out. Yeah,

24:40

there's this theory that you probably know about

24:43

more than I do of group dynamics, right?

24:45

That there's like a certain amount of attention

24:47

or energy in any given room in any

24:50

given dynamic. And if one person sucks 90%

24:52

of it, like the rest of

24:54

the group is gonna have to split to 10%. And

24:57

usually, or often that is in situations where

24:59

like, that is how it should be. Mr.

25:01

Weasley needs the 90% of attention. A

25:04

bride and groom should get most of the attention

25:06

on the day of their wedding, whatever it is.

25:09

We want people to be

25:11

the center of attention in those moments and for the

25:13

rest of us to sort of step back. But

25:16

then there are moments where that

25:18

becomes not healthy, but it is healthy here. It

25:21

absolutely is. They're all in mourning, they're all

25:23

afraid, they're all scared for what's happening. And

25:26

so to be seven afraid

25:28

people versus to all

25:30

be afraid together makes

25:33

a big difference. To come together

25:35

to hold those big emotions

25:37

and to make it safe. I don't

25:40

need to be an individual here. We're all feeling the

25:42

same thing. And so we can hold this for each

25:44

other rather than you each

25:46

deal with your sadness, you each deal with

25:48

your fear. So there's

25:50

a safety, there's a love,

25:52

and there's a security in

25:55

being one, being the waste lease.

25:57

And what I think is interesting is, moments

26:00

that Harry feels a part of that and

26:02

the moments Harry feels like he can't be

26:04

a part of that. You know,

26:06

I was the one who hurt Mr. Weasley, so

26:08

I can't be a part of their clan. Right.

26:11

I can't sleep right now. Everybody. And then they

26:13

say, no, come in. We want you here. And

26:15

he feels welcome, but he also

26:17

feels odd to be there. He feels

26:19

that their looks are saying, we don't

26:21

like you. You heard our dad get

26:24

out, which is all happening in his

26:26

head. Yeah. They're not

26:28

actually saying this, but

26:30

Harry can sometimes be a part of

26:32

this group and sometimes puts

26:36

himself out as an individual throughout

26:38

the chapter in pretty negative ways.

26:40

Right. Being Harry here is not

26:42

a positive thing for him. The

26:44

other thing that's interesting, though, is that

26:47

there are moments where other Weasleys are

26:50

separate. Right. Molly is separate because she's the one

26:52

who gets to go to the hospital first and

26:54

decide when the rest of the kids go. And

26:56

then there's this moment where Arthur reaches out his

26:58

arm to hug Ginny. Ron, George

27:02

and Fred are also there and are also

27:04

scared. But there's something about like

27:06

being the youngest and probably something gendered about

27:08

the fact that he reaches out his arm

27:10

for Ginny. And it is like

27:13

all of them are getting hugged in that

27:15

moment, though. Right. It's like, look, I'm well

27:17

enough to hug. We don't need to

27:19

go around the room and have you all hug

27:21

me because I'm fine. But like, let

27:23

me hug Ginny. And right. Like Ginny

27:25

becomes this like emissary for the rest

27:27

of the group. Right.

27:29

When it is a group, you can hug

27:31

one member in the group and it's you're

27:33

hugging the group. You don't have to hug

27:35

each of them individually. And

27:39

I just also want to shout out Arthur

27:41

is not just an individual within the Weasleys.

27:43

He is a very strong individual even as

27:45

a patient. He's like probably one of

27:47

the only patients in there who's like there's a muggle in

27:49

the hospital. I want to meet the muggle. He's

27:53

still Arthur. So,

28:07

Marisa, we are now going to do the

28:09

sacred reading practice that we call sacred imagination

28:12

in which I am going to read to

28:14

you a section of this

28:16

chapter. And the invitation that

28:18

I have is that you really try

28:20

to have a sensory experience using all

28:23

five of your senses. And

28:25

you can really imagine yourself into

28:28

any character in the scene

28:31

or be a fly on the wall. I'm going to be

28:33

reading from the very end of the chapter. It

28:36

is the moment at which Fred and George

28:38

have pulled out extendable ears. Molly,

28:40

Madi, Tonks, and Arthur are talking and

28:43

the children are all kicked out. And

28:46

Fred and George, in this kind of moment that you

28:48

were talking about, include Harry

28:50

in listening in on their

28:53

parents' conversation. And Harry has taken the

28:55

extendable ears. And this is what happens.

28:59

Gridding in spite of himself, Harry took the

29:01

end of the string and inserted it into

29:03

his ear as the twins had done. Okay,

29:06

go, Fred whispered. The

29:08

flesh-colored strings wriggled like long

29:10

skinny worms, then snaked under

29:13

the door. For a

29:15

few seconds, Harry could hear nothing. Then

29:18

he heard Tonks whispering as clearly as

29:20

though she were standing right beside him.

29:23

They searched the whole area, but they

29:25

couldn't find the snake anywhere. It

29:27

just seems to have vanished after it attacked you,

29:30

Arthur. But you know who

29:32

can't have expected a snake to get in,

29:34

can he? I reckon

29:36

he sent it as a lookout, growled Moody. Because

29:38

he's not had any luck so far ahead, he.

29:41

No, I reckon he's trying to get a

29:43

clearer picture of what he's facing. And if

29:45

Arthur hadn't been there, the beast would have

29:47

had much more time to look around. So

29:49

Potter says he saw it all happen? Yes,

29:52

said Mrs. Weasley. She sounded

29:54

rather uneasy. You know,

29:56

Dumbledore seems almost to have been waiting for

29:58

Harry to see something like Yeah,

30:01

well," said Moody, "'there's something funny about

30:03

the Potter kid. We all know that.'

30:06

Gumbledor seemed worried about Harry when I spoke

30:08

to him this morning," whispered Mrs. Weasley.

30:11

"'Course he's worried," growled Moody. "'The boy's

30:13

seeing things from inside you-know-who's

30:15

snake. Obviously Potter doesn't

30:18

realize what it means, but if

30:20

you-know-who's possessing him—" Harry

30:22

pulled the extendable ear out of his

30:24

own, his heart hammering very fast and

30:27

heat rushing up to his face. He

30:30

looked around at the others. They were

30:32

all staring at him, the strings still

30:34

trailing from their ears, looking

30:36

suddenly fearful." So,

30:39

Mauricio, is there anything that you noticed? Were

30:41

you a particular character here? I

30:44

was Harry. The

30:46

first thing I noticed is how much

30:50

those ears disgust me. Mm! Texture.

30:54

The texture, the worms, the way they—I

30:56

had to put them in my ear.

31:02

And then listening to

31:04

the adults whispering and knowing

31:06

that they're talking about me just

31:08

creates a lot of

31:11

anxiety in my chest, a

31:13

pit in my stomach, because again, I'm

31:15

being singled out and not in a good

31:18

way. I'm being thrust to be an individual.

31:20

I'm no longer part of the

31:22

clan. And what

31:24

they're saying about me is I'm being possessed.

31:27

I'm being used. And then when I

31:30

pull out the strings and

31:32

look at my friends and they're all

31:35

singling me or pushing me away from

31:37

their clan, there's just a great feeling

31:39

of loneliness, of despair, a great feeling

31:41

of sadness, of horror. Yeah,

31:43

and he was just so included, right?

31:46

At the beginning of the section, Fred

31:48

and George were like, come on, do it.

31:51

And he's like, okay, right? Like he's being

31:53

super included. And then he

31:55

just like becomes ostracized again. I was

31:57

like very much— in

32:01

this group of people and like in

32:03

a Hospital hallway and like I can't

32:05

help it I must have been in

32:07

a muggle hospital hallway because it like

32:10

the air conditioning was like up

32:12

really high like I was freezing and I was

32:14

like I must have been Jenny because I was

32:16

like near and touching all

32:18

these like taller boys and was

32:21

like trying to listen right and

32:23

so I'm like cold and tired

32:25

and Everything smells

32:28

like too acidic And

32:30

I'm uncomfortable even though I'm in

32:32

fine health like they haven't showered

32:34

like there's something to like really

32:37

Gross about this feeling and I feel like we've

32:39

all done that had some early morning where last

32:42

night did not go as planned and under

32:45

caffeinated whatever it is and then

32:47

like getting this just like really

32:50

shocking news and Yeah,

32:53

as Jenny right like you just want to assume the

32:56

best in Harry And so I just

32:58

felt so bad for him right like

33:00

I wasn't like oh gross I

33:03

was like oh my god you poor thing And

33:06

Jenny has been possessed by Voldemort. She's like the

33:08

one person in the world who can really understand

33:10

this and so Her being

33:13

there. I think is really striking to me that She's

33:16

standing right there and the

33:18

only other person in the world who's alive who could

33:20

understand what this means is Feet

33:23

away. I love that you brought that

33:25

up Because in

33:27

that moment when I'm just feeling all

33:29

those things It's so

33:31

hard for me to go Ginny's

33:33

here, and she knows what it feels

33:35

like and she's gonna keep me company

33:38

It's impossible, but it's also if we

33:40

can remember to sort of step

33:42

out of that and notice right cuz a Second

33:46

ago. We were all connected by these ears.

33:48

Yeah, they're all in the same string And

33:52

then I chose to pull it out and feel

33:54

the horror and feel the sadness and feel the

33:56

yeah What When are the moments where like

33:58

you can actually just like? Reach. Out your

34:01

hand, And ask them wanna hold

34:03

your hand? Feather them be horrified.

34:06

Oh, that would have been a very

34:08

different area if instead of a feeling

34:10

guilty and horrified, she reached out and

34:12

grab someone's hand. Or.

34:15

Think you for doing the spiritual practice

34:17

at the museum. Thank. You for

34:19

inviting me. This.

34:21

Week's voicemail is for hims se. How.

34:26

Secret Talks Team I'm calling

34:28

and with a blessing for

34:30

all the Mughal periods of

34:32

Hogwarts students. My.

34:34

Seven year old daughter and

34:36

I just finished the Harry Potter

34:38

and The Chamber of Secrets.

34:41

In. Alpha ten year old son

34:43

who will be turning eleven the

34:45

summer until I just like Harry

34:47

So even thinking a lot about

34:50

what if he were to get

34:52

a hug writes letters the summer

34:54

and. As.

34:56

My daughter has wisely said

34:59

I wouldn't let my son's.

35:02

Go to a school that

35:04

I don't even know where

35:06

it is, know anything about

35:08

it, or, ah, presumably even

35:10

know that wizards exist. So

35:13

blessings to the parents

35:16

who have a hard.

35:19

Situation. Of having

35:21

their children be gone

35:23

for. Almost. The. Whole.

35:27

Year at a time at

35:29

a school that they don't

35:31

even know anything about. Think.

35:35

You. Away and I

35:37

would never let my child at the school. Like

35:40

for things that they like send

35:42

some sort of represented as and

35:44

I like. This is what it's

35:46

like to sew a video of

35:49

her and their beautiful groves in

35:51

Scotland. But you know, yeah, years.

35:53

You know that happens. So.

35:55

Slow. what happens. I recently had a

35:57

conversation. with a kid on his eleventh

35:59

birthday He was a huge Harry Potter fan. I

36:01

was like, so you could get the letter any day now.

36:03

And he looked at me and he was like, yeah.

36:07

And he did not look excited by the

36:09

proposition. He was like, I'm glad I get

36:11

to stay home. And I was like, yeah,

36:13

11 is so little. But

36:17

yeah, I love, Jesse, that you're blessing the

36:19

parents. I think that, I really think I

36:21

would tell my kid no. You

36:24

can't leave me yet. Yeah,

36:26

I love that blessing too. It had never occurred

36:28

to me. And speaking

36:31

on the theme of individuality, what a

36:33

way for life to reach out

36:35

of 10 and say, hey you. You're

36:38

going to be different from all the other kids you know.

36:40

And we're going to take you to a school in Scotland

36:42

that you didn't even know existed. Where you

36:44

won't be an individual in that

36:46

way anymore, right? Where everyone will

36:48

be a witch or wizard like you. Well,

36:51

thank you, Jesse. Thank you, Jesse. It

36:55

is now time for us to remember, members

36:57

of our community who have been loved and

37:00

lost. Rob

37:02

Lamas, who was 35,

37:05

a joyful dancer and a beloved

37:07

friend. Great

37:13

Aunt Vicky, who is 80, a

37:16

reader, adventurer, and a multiple

37:18

myeloma fighter. Gio,

37:24

who is 17, a robotics

37:26

and quiz bowl student who is deeply

37:29

missed. Jim

37:35

Roberts, who was 63, an avid

37:38

camper, computer guru, and

37:41

a loved husband, father, and papa

37:43

choo choo. Kamie

37:50

Glazer, who was 28,

37:52

a fierce veterinarian,

37:54

a polar bear swimmer, and

37:57

a curiosity cultivator. May

38:03

their memories be a blessing. So

38:10

Mauricio, we now get to offer a

38:12

blessing for a character in the chapter.

38:15

Who would you like to bless? This

38:17

might be cliche, but I really want to bless Harry.

38:20

He's trying to understand who he is, like

38:22

all of us. He's

38:24

confused about whether he is good

38:26

or bad, about whether he's helping

38:28

or hurting. And

38:30

I find myself and

38:32

so many of the people around

38:34

me in that position so often

38:36

that to be able to see

38:39

him dealing with

38:41

this, trying to find his place in

38:43

life at such a young age, I

38:46

want to send him my little

38:49

bit of courage. I

38:52

love that. I want

38:54

to bless all the other portraits. These

38:57

people are game to help. And

39:00

I love that. And they're game to do silly

39:02

things in order to be part of helping, including

39:04

taking a sleep. And I don't know, I love

39:06

people who show up and are like, that's what

39:08

you need me to do? Okay.

39:11

It's just, you know, that's a great vibe to

39:13

have in your life. Next

39:16

week we're reading book five chapter

39:18

23, Christmas on the closed ward

39:20

through the theme of vulnerability with

39:23

Matt Potts. A

39:26

few reminders before we give our thanks. We

39:28

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40:02

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40:12

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40:15

and everyone who sent in the names

40:17

of their loved ones. And a special

40:19

thank you to you, Mauricio Bruce, for

40:21

tuning in and doing this episode with me.

40:24

I was so excited to be here. Thank you very much for

40:26

inviting me. Okay,

40:34

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