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Welcome to the Heal Podcast. I'm

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Kelly Noonan-Gorris, and every week I

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speak to the leading doctors, healers,

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spiritual teachers, and scientists to find

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out what is truly possible when

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it comes to healing. I

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also interview real people with

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extraordinary healing stories. My

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philosophy is what's possible for one

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is possible for all. And

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I've discovered on my journey that

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so much more is possible than

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we can begin to imagine. Hi,

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everybody, and welcome to Heal with

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Kelly, formerly known as the Heal

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Podcast. But as you know, today

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is the new

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day, the new launch, the new

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platform brand. So welcome. Thank you

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all for tuning in. I am

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so excited to welcome my guest

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today, Rebecca Tickle. No, I said

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it wrong. Tickle, I

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practiced it literally three times. You

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know, when I met my husband, I was like, Oh,

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you're Mr. Tickle, hahaha. Like I knew it was Tickle,

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but I made fun of him. He was

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like, and now I'm Mrs. Tickle. So that

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the laugh was on me, obviously. I mean,

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it is kind of like, it's so cute.

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And I was like, Tickle, Tickle, Tickle. And

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then I say it wrong, Tickle. But yes,

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Rebecca Tickle. And she

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is, along with her husband, Josh, who could

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not be with us here today, the director

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and producer of the new

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amazing documentary Common Ground, which is

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the follow up to Kiss the

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Ground. And we are here

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to talk about her mission, her activism,

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her filmmaking, and

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the why of it all and

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regenerative ag and saving the soil

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to save our planet,

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our and life

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on earth as we know it really. So

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welcome to the show. Thank you.

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I'm so excited to be here, Kelly. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

1:54

So I mean, obviously Kiss

1:56

the Ground, massive success. And Did

1:59

you direct and produce that as well? Or

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that was based on the book that your

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husband wrote. He wrote the book while we

2:05

were making the some. Because

2:07

there's so much information and me

2:09

we learned so much with an

2:12

eye opening experience after a decade

2:14

as being sort of paralyzed by

2:16

climate anxiety To come into this

2:18

understanding that we can regenerate soil

2:20

and sequester all the carbon with

2:22

admitted it stabilize the climate was

2:24

overwhelming and so as we may

2:26

kiss the ground which was a

2:28

seven year and. Dapper. he would write

2:31

chapters the based on the interviews that we

2:33

were doing and a lot of content that

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didn't and death of the Film by The

2:37

He and I along with our writer Johnny

2:39

O'hara Rodents and and Josh Night Together directed

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and produced at and then same with Common

2:44

Ground which is the follow up to Kiss

2:46

the Ground and he wrote and directed and

2:48

produced at Together as them. Amazing!

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yeah the the that I always

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admired. The couple that works together

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so closely and has the same

2:57

mission at such a beautiful things.

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Able to do that and so

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in worked so well together because

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Kiss The Ground Sentimental success. Aca

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Now Common Ground is looking to

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be mean that successful if not

3:09

more so. So tell us why

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did you want to make a

3:13

follow up documentary And how is

3:15

Common Ground different? What is the

3:17

mission of Common Ground. Common

3:20

Ground is very different from Kiss the

3:22

Ground. You can watch Common Ground never

3:24

have seen a single minute of Kiss

3:26

the Ground and you won't have missed

3:28

anything. They're both be standalone films but

3:30

they do. There is the so since

3:32

to try to go to one another

3:34

as well so he wash Kiss the

3:36

Ground and then watch Common Ground and

3:38

makes a lot of sense I just

3:41

the ground is is is really it's

3:43

an inspiring film that sort of correct

3:45

this narrative that were do and it

3:47

teaches people that we had this thing.

3:49

called the carbon cycle and through bio

3:51

sciquest ration and building soil we can

3:53

sequester all that hair ton of carbon

3:56

that be permitted and we can stabilize

3:58

the climate it's kind an introduction to

4:00

that. Common ground, it

4:04

pulls back the curtain on

4:06

what keeps us from making that transition

4:08

to regeneration, with holding us back from

4:10

ultimately taking the steps that we critically,

4:13

urgently must take in order to save

4:15

ourselves and course correct. It

4:18

shows farmers who are doing regeneration

4:20

at scale and how they've overcome

4:22

the initial hardships and

4:24

it really connects climate,

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health and farming, agriculture,

4:29

as these three inextricable things where

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you can't have any one of

4:34

them thrive without the other two

4:36

thriving, they're all connected. And

4:39

ultimately it's a call to action and it

4:41

shows how we can fix our, some people

4:43

say we have a broken food system that

4:45

needs to be fixed. Some people

4:47

say we have a system that's working exactly the

4:49

way that it was intended and it needs to

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be broken. So whichever camp you

4:53

fit into, this film shows how we

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can make that transition and begin to

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regenerate in North America. And our goal

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with the film is to regenerate

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a hundred million acres in North America.

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Wow. That's amazing. Which is

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I think like 10%. Right. It's

5:09

approximately 10%. It's what we

5:11

believe would be sort of Malcolm Gladwell's

5:13

theory of 10% as being the tipping point.

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And we believe that that's true,

5:19

that once we get 10% of

5:21

us agriculture into regeneration, that it

5:23

will be an unstoppable force that

5:25

quickly transitions because there's no comparison

5:28

between conventional and regenerative agriculture. There's

5:30

just none. The benefits to the

5:32

farmer, their families, their economy, their

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own personal income, their debt, their

5:36

stress, their quality of life, the

5:39

nutrient density of the food that

5:41

they're growing, the health, not

5:43

only of the people who are eating the food, but the

5:45

health of the people who are handling the food

5:47

and ultimately the health of

5:50

the entire ecosystem where that food

5:52

is grown. You can have a

5:54

small water cycle that is either

5:56

regenerated or degenerated by how those

5:58

farming practices are managed. So it

6:01

really is like the secret sauce to having

6:03

life thrive on earth. And that's what common

6:06

ground shows. And it

6:08

really does. And it shows it so beautifully and

6:10

so simply that you're just like, how

6:13

is it even legal to

6:15

have the conventional farming system

6:17

that is so clearly not

6:19

sustainable, so poisonous to

6:21

the farmers and so detrimental to

6:23

their health, you know, whether

6:26

it's financial health or physical health, mental

6:29

health for sure, and you

6:33

can make the transition relatively

6:35

quickly, but under the pressures of the

6:37

current system, it seems,

6:40

I mean, there's such slim

6:42

margins. I mean, every farmer that I

6:44

know is in debt. It's like a

6:46

real struggle. So to make that switch

6:49

over to regeneration, like a

6:51

regenerative farming ag is it

6:54

like makes so much sense. You show examples of

6:56

farmers who have done it and done it successfully,

6:58

but it is still

7:00

why do you feel that it's

7:02

such a slow moving shift

7:05

for a lot of farmers? It is. I was

7:07

just on a farm in New Zealand for a

7:09

week and they're in

7:11

the middle of switching over to

7:13

regeneration, regenerative farming practices,

7:15

and they do wool

7:18

and so their cattle

7:20

and sheep. And, you

7:23

know, he's very successful

7:26

and is showing the success and how

7:28

it saves money and, you know, how

7:30

it's good for the whole ecosystem, including

7:32

the humans that work on the farm.

7:35

But he said, you know, I said, what is

7:37

the biggest barrier to people making

7:39

the switch? And it's just such a big, you

7:42

know, there's such slim margins, whether it's dependent

7:45

on the weather or the climate, like that

7:47

risk for farmers to make that switch. What

7:49

are you seeing there? Yeah,

7:52

I mean, that's accurate. There is a risk when

7:54

it's scary for farmers, especially in the U.S., who

7:56

are, you know, basically

7:58

only able to continue. you doing business

8:01

that way because of the subsidies, you

8:03

have the crop insurance, the bank loans

8:05

that stipulate that they have to spray. And

8:08

so to get off of that and

8:11

to do something that you've never done

8:13

before, when you're already like so close

8:15

to bankruptcy and it's already a high

8:17

risk venture, that

8:20

is enough right there to stop people in

8:22

their tracks from making that transition. But

8:25

the farmers who are making the

8:27

transition, because while we wait

8:29

for our government to sort of catch up

8:32

and helping farmers to do the

8:34

right thing versus subsidizing them to do the wrong

8:36

thing, there are farmers who

8:38

are taking the risk and over 80%

8:40

of them within the first year, a

8:45

profit, that's been a way more than they were

8:47

before. So, it's

8:50

kind of like having some blind faith in

8:52

that the legend is true, that if you

8:55

create a biodiversity and you build healthy soils,

8:57

that it's then you'll reap in the benefits,

8:59

because we're talking about nature, we're talking about

9:01

degraded soil and we're already in a high

9:04

stress environmental crisis where

9:06

we're all experiencing these weather

9:08

events that we haven't seen

9:10

before. I come from

9:12

a legacy farming family and in my family,

9:14

you couldn't talk about climate change, but

9:17

you could talk about the weather and

9:20

that's something that's consistent. So, it doesn't matter what

9:22

your political views are, it doesn't matter what you

9:24

think about climate change or not, farmers

9:27

recognize that they affect

9:29

their environment and they

9:31

can see the changes that happen around

9:33

them based on how they're farming, they

9:35

see the soil blowing away, which

9:38

has them have to pay for more inputs.

9:42

And the costs go up, the inputs, the

9:44

cost of the inputs go up, the

9:47

profits continue to become decreased,

9:49

it's just, we have a

9:51

farmer suicide epidemic in the US where

9:53

their farmers are five times more likely to

9:56

commit suicide than any other profession in the

9:58

United States. not

10:00

to mention the financial pressure, not to mention

10:02

that for many of these legacy farming families,

10:04

this land is thin and they're families for

10:06

generation and it's a source of pride. And

10:10

it's literally bringing

10:12

farmers to their knees and they're only

10:15

getting eight cents on the dollar for

10:17

the produce that they're selling. That's

10:20

a crime. This is being a hold

10:22

of farmers, like this is our heritage

10:24

and this is our American values. You

10:26

think of the farmer as the thing

10:28

that we celebrate here and that we

10:30

honor, but the truth is that we're

10:32

treating our farmers like dirt. And

10:35

what we're getting as a result is food that's grown

10:37

in dirt, that is devoid

10:39

of nutrition and that

10:42

not only is it devoid of

10:44

nutrition, but then you combine that

10:46

with chronic exposure to neurotoxins, whether

10:49

it's through exposure environmentally through the air because you're

10:51

a farmer who lives in the field, that's going

10:53

to affect your mental health. It's going to affect

10:55

your gut health. We talk

10:57

about our gut as it being our intuition

10:59

and our guide, listening to my gut, it's

11:01

because there's life in our gut that we

11:04

literally are listening to. It really is our

11:06

intuition. And I know I live in

11:08

Ojai and this is thought of as a woo-woo thing, but

11:11

this is science actually that we're talking about.

11:14

And when we start to degrade the

11:16

life that's inside of

11:18

our body, the same way that we're

11:20

degrading the life that's in our soil,

11:22

and then the nutrition goes away, then

11:24

yes, mental health becomes an issue and

11:26

it's ubiquitous in the United States because we're

11:28

all not getting the same type

11:31

of nutrition that we could be if we

11:33

were farming in these regenerative ways. And

11:35

then not to mention the big crisis, which

11:37

is the climate crisis, and that's

11:39

something that affects us all. So you

11:42

take this suicide epidemic, a health

11:44

crisis, and then you add to

11:46

that impending doom unless we transition

11:49

to regeneration. You've got pretty high

11:51

stakes and the farmers are feeling

11:53

that pressure. And then

11:55

these farmers have gone to Land-grant

11:57

universities. Many of them are very well-educated. Kate

12:00

Okay. went to school. They.

12:02

Learned that from the top

12:04

schools and universities how to

12:06

farm. but the thing is

12:09

that information with. Corrected.

12:11

Because so many of these

12:14

institutions is, a majority of

12:16

their funding comes from the

12:18

companies that are profiting from

12:20

the sale of these chemicals.

12:22

I keep them locked into

12:25

this conventional cycle and so.

12:27

That's. A form of indoctrination. When you have

12:29

you know generations of people being told that

12:32

the only way that you can feed the

12:34

world is to grow up moto crop like

12:36

one thing only and to do you have

12:39

propped up with chemical and put said

12:41

they're going to sell you and and oh

12:43

by the way also the seeds. You.

12:45

Buy them you know their roundup ready

12:47

and but then he can. You lose

12:49

control even if your own seats. Be

12:52

know you can even like plant a

12:54

seed that's grown from your plants. You

12:56

know it's It's just like slowly disconnecting

12:58

from the natural process and becoming dependent

13:00

on this system propped up by chemicals

13:03

and then or. Has

13:05

been corrected, By the same

13:07

companies that have been putting his

13:10

information into our background universities and

13:12

we have many whistle blowers and

13:14

common ground. To. Talk about

13:16

their experiences A being. Suppressed

13:18

fan asking questions. When

13:20

it comes to whether these chemicals were safe

13:23

or not. And and

13:25

it's been. Quite eye

13:27

opening to learn and disheartening

13:30

to learn about the lack

13:32

of safety. That. Actually

13:34

and the lack of of true

13:36

no protection the protocol to make

13:38

sure that the food as being

13:40

spent these chemicals a safe press

13:42

to eat because unfortunately you know

13:44

even our political system has been

13:46

corrupted by the companies that are

13:48

making a profit and so with

13:50

film really spell that how it

13:52

how that system. Works or

13:54

doesn't work. And as the case. and

13:57

yet. And it's an

13:59

and then. We can do. To.

14:01

Get empowered to not only encourage the

14:03

people that we pay our food from

14:05

cars are many as power. To

14:08

make the transition to generation but

14:10

also and to inspire. You know,

14:13

not just a whole new industry

14:15

around regeneration, but also people become

14:17

farmers. You know, like this, you've

14:19

got over eighty percent of farmers

14:21

were phasing out of farming And

14:23

what a great opportunity for young

14:25

people who see the power, the

14:27

possibility of regeneration, Everything it stands

14:29

for to come in and to

14:32

learn these giveaways and yet also

14:34

old ways because we're talking about

14:36

indigenous agriculture as indigenous list. Them

14:38

in a way of working

14:40

within our managed landscape to

14:42

create. Food. For us all

14:44

around us, wherever we are and. And

14:47

that's a Common ground. Talk about

14:49

a top. Know it it goes

14:51

into racism. The Us vs on

14:53

you know we talk about indigenous

14:55

agriculture. We shine a light and

14:57

were a lot of these regenerative

14:59

practices come from. Ah it's I

15:01

really I I really love Common

15:03

Ground. If we just coming from

15:06

a farming family. And in

15:08

witnessed first hand the impact of

15:10

exposure to these chemicals. Generation after

15:12

generation of the cost. People

15:15

who are these families pay. You.

15:18

Now for me, this is a really

15:20

important some am not only for me

15:22

personally, but. I know of my

15:24

kids that we need to get this message out

15:26

with many people as possible so that we can

15:28

make to. Course correction and we need to make right

15:30

now. Truly. And

15:33

really powerful every in a when I was

15:35

watching a film and as were just talking.

15:38

You. Know about the system, the conventional

15:40

system and how it set up

15:42

in the education is actually funded

15:44

by these big act and chemical

15:46

companies. It's the

15:48

exact same model you just put

15:50

it in that medical. And

15:53

Big Pharma. System. So

15:56

big Pharma is. enough

15:58

funding the majority of the higher education

16:00

learning that trains our doctors. And so there

16:02

is an indoctrination of, again, like

16:04

I don't know that it's some evil

16:07

intention, but it's everybody in their micro fear-based

16:10

decisions on their own personal security,

16:13

that they're just blinders on

16:15

in this system. And

16:19

like even, you know, just people that work at

16:21

these big chemical companies or these pharmaceutical companies, and

16:23

you know, some of them wake up and become

16:25

whistleblowers, and some of them are just head down,

16:28

convincing themselves that they're doing good because that's

16:31

the indoctrination that they're getting from the top

16:33

down. And it's

16:35

just mind blowing to me, you know,

16:37

like doctors are, you

16:40

know, overworked and the system

16:42

that they're in right now, they can't possibly truly

16:44

care for their patients, they just

16:47

have to give them immediate relief through their, you

16:49

know, by relieving a symptom, usually with pharmaceutical or

16:51

an intervention of some sort. And

16:54

it's just the same exact metaphor as we've

16:56

gone away from nature, we've

16:59

completely disrupted this holistic where everything

17:01

is connected and everybody is just

17:03

me, me, me, profit, profit, profit,

17:06

short term, short sighted, but

17:08

it's mind blowing to me that the

17:10

people running these companies, they're

17:13

looking at, oh, what a great

17:15

profit cycle, I create this chemical

17:17

that we spray on crops that

17:20

then causes lymphoma, and then I also

17:22

create within the same corporation, the drug

17:25

that heals or cures lymphoma. Like what

17:27

a great business model, but

17:29

like guys, glyphosate and all these chemicals

17:32

are ubiquitous in that you're killing yourselves

17:34

while you're killing other people. It's so

17:36

mind blowing to me that they can't

17:39

see the forest through the

17:41

trees or whatever that saying is. We're

17:43

killing ourselves and the earth based on,

17:46

you know, I don't know, it's mind blowing to me, I

17:48

just don't understand how it even works. Well,

17:51

it's like cognitive dissonance, it's like we don't want to

17:53

believe that we've been hurting ourselves or others, now

17:56

we want to believe that we're doing good. So

17:58

I mean, like even, I... to be an actress

18:00

and when I would play the bad

18:03

guy, you never play the bad guy like the bad guy.

18:05

The bad guy never thinks that they're the bad guy. Bad

18:07

guy always thinks that they're doing, that

18:09

they're on some crusade for justice or

18:12

for something right, even if it's completely,

18:14

it's usually really misinformed. And

18:16

that's what we're dealing with

18:18

here is misinformation around a

18:20

critically important issue, which

18:24

is called beating the

18:26

world slash climate change. I mean,

18:29

beating the world doesn't exist through that model. You

18:31

cannot feed the world through a conventional model that

18:33

is complete mess. But I guarantee you, the people

18:35

that are working at these companies who are making

18:37

these chemicals, that's what they

18:40

believe. They really do believe that that's

18:42

the only way to do it. So

18:45

I don't have any blame

18:47

or judgment around that. I think

18:50

in the farmers that I've talked to who

18:52

spray chemicals are like, don't take the round

18:54

up from my cold, dead hands. I mean,

18:57

literally that's a mentality. They're

19:00

gonna go down with the glyphosate. And

19:03

that thinking I think is part

19:06

of just like wanting

19:09

to believe so badly

19:11

that their life has served a purpose of

19:13

doing good. And

19:16

it's hard to face that maybe the

19:18

way they're doing this is harmful. That's

19:20

a really, especially people have started, and I come

19:22

from a family life, so I can say this,

19:25

farmers are a bit stubborn.

19:29

My dad, for instance, we started making

19:32

films about farming and he's a farm,

19:34

he comes from a farming family. He

19:36

started driving the plow when he was 11. And

19:41

he was like, why are

19:43

you making these movies about farming? You're not gonna

19:45

tell me what to do. He loves

19:48

to till, he loves to spray. And

19:52

he read his book, he watched our films. He's actually

19:54

even in common ground. If you watch the film common

19:56

ground, there's this really old sort of thick, looking

20:00

farmer who goes to take out a bank loan, that's

20:02

my dad. That's my actual dad. And, um, Yamio.

20:07

Exactly. I'm like, use it if you've got

20:09

it. I'm like, I've got the perfect person for this. Um,

20:13

and then he never said to me

20:15

like, you know, you're right, you know,

20:17

regenerative agriculture is the way to go or

20:19

these chemicals are bad. He never said that.

20:21

But what he did do is he started

20:24

sending me, um, photos

20:27

of his organic produce that he started

20:29

growing his regenerative organic produce. So I

20:32

think farmers, you know, we're not going to get

20:34

that big aha. You were right. I was wrong.

20:36

This is the way to do it. That's never

20:38

going to happen. But what is

20:41

going to happen is, and I'm seeing

20:43

this here in Ventura County where we

20:45

live, which is a major agricultural exporter

20:47

for the United States, um,

20:50

as a state, like we produce a

20:52

ton of America's food. Um, and

20:56

we're paying the price here in California through desertification. And

20:58

so I've been having these conversations with

21:01

my neighbors. And so it's, you

21:03

know, really, I really see how these conversations

21:05

go and how sometimes

21:07

they don't go. And, you

21:10

know, again, not a lot of, oh, you're right,

21:12

but I'm starting to see cover crops.

21:14

I'm starting to see a biodiversity.

21:17

I'm starting to see a

21:20

newfound awareness of nature

21:23

that was missing before when we first moved

21:25

here. So it is, it's like inch by

21:27

inch, acre by acre. People want to do

21:29

the right thing. And I think if they

21:31

get the knowledge and they get the information,

21:34

even the most stubborn person is going to

21:36

start taking those steps because we, that's why

21:38

we call this film common ground. I mean,

21:40

y'all, this is our common ground. This is,

21:42

we're all in this together. And even the

21:44

farmers that we think are, you know, the

21:46

bad guy, they're not the bad guy, you

21:49

know, and they may not want to listen

21:51

at first, but with enough conversation,

21:56

there is movement. But I think the biggest

21:58

shift is going to be with. new

22:00

farmers coming in, open

22:02

mind, the basic understanding of

22:05

regeneration and a real keenness

22:08

to figure it

22:10

out because it takes that kind of innovation

22:12

to do it. That's one of the principles

22:14

of regeneration is to farm in context. That's

22:16

one of the practices. So

22:19

you're not going to farm the same way

22:21

in California that you're going to farm in

22:23

Arizona or Indiana or Vermont, it's going to

22:25

look differently. So you have to figure out,

22:27

you know, this is kind of like a

22:29

mystery, like, what does this soil need? What

22:31

is this environment calling for? What would naturally,

22:33

abundantly grow here? And how can I mimic

22:35

that and support that? And that's the kind

22:37

of thinking that is going to bring in

22:40

regeneration at a scale that we need

22:42

it to. It's very

22:44

simply back to nature. And you know, my

22:46

dear friend, Zach Bush is like, we've written

22:48

ourselves out of the definition of nature. And

22:51

just if you are lucky enough to be

22:54

in nature a lot and you witness nature,

22:56

nature left on its own devices,

22:59

always is self healing, self regulating, self regenerating.

23:03

And so what we've done

23:05

is we've written ourselves out of nature,

23:07

not realizing we are deeply interconnected with

23:09

the soil and the microorganisms. And obviously,

23:12

we are more microorganism cells

23:14

than human cells, you know, so like

23:16

we are in nature and nature is

23:18

so intelligent and perfectly self healing. We've,

23:21

you know, with our big minds and

23:23

our big evolutionary egos, like, have gotten

23:25

in the way with technology. But

23:27

if we can go back to nature

23:30

in these ancient indigenous ways that we're

23:32

in, you know, symbiosis and in

23:35

harmony with nature, because we are nature,

23:38

then the planet starts to

23:40

thrive. And like you said, the ecosystems

23:42

and the weather systems start to self

23:45

regulate and calm. And it's amazing. You

23:47

just show like such promising,

23:51

where you look at this desert

23:53

of Chihuahua, Mexico, that goes up

23:55

into, you know, parts of the

23:57

southwest of America, and the

23:59

United States. States and it's

24:01

just like baked you

24:04

know sand like soil that's like just

24:06

debt you know everybody who just think

24:08

it's dead not able to grow or

24:10

be fertile and it's just

24:13

so cool to with the with

24:15

the managed grazing of animals whether

24:17

it's like goats and sheep and

24:19

cattle it can we're just

24:21

with the dung you know

24:23

and the the stomping and breaking up the

24:25

soil and then all of a sudden it

24:28

comes back to life and there's these cover

24:30

crops and this biodiversity that happens and it's

24:32

just like so beautiful

24:34

and so hopeful like nothing is

24:36

beyond repair and

24:39

I think there is one

24:41

of the I wrote a ton of notes but it was something

24:43

about the

24:47

like nature stored

24:49

the seeds waiting for the right conditions

24:51

to arrive like those seeds are in

24:53

in there baked in and they just

24:56

needed the right conditions with

24:58

the farmer and to or the rancher in tune

25:00

with nature to go

25:02

back to how you know ancient herds

25:04

used to graze and work you know

25:06

in conjunction with the soil it's just

25:08

mind-blowing to me we just have to

25:10

get back to nature in all areas

25:12

of life our systems have taken us

25:14

out of nature and we need to

25:16

just break these systems get back to

25:18

nature and then use these brilliant technologies

25:21

in you know to complement and

25:23

to boost but not to destroy

25:26

and separate and disconnect yes

25:29

you know the story in the

25:31

Chihuahuan desert we so we feature Alejandro

25:33

Carrillo and he talks about how

25:36

they've taken this huge

25:38

swath of land and

25:41

they've regenerated it through grazing cattle

25:43

but that we didn't end up including it

25:45

in the film what

25:48

you do see in the film is that there's rain that's

25:50

been brought back to life and there's seven

25:52

foot tall grasses and it's all

25:55

biodiverse and the secret

25:58

to how they did it was they had

26:00

over 200 families take

26:03

down their fences. And

26:05

I just think that there's such a metaphor

26:08

in that because once they took down their

26:10

fences and they merged their their cattle together,

26:13

they were able to increase the

26:15

carrying capacity of the land. So

26:17

basically, when you think back on like old

26:19

herds of bison, you would like

26:21

hear the thunder because they travel

26:23

in huge, huge packs, not

26:26

like a little here and a little there,

26:28

not all spread out. That is degenerative. That

26:30

is a model where people are like, Oh,

26:32

you can't have biodiversity and have cows. Yes,

26:35

you can. A lot of what people think

26:37

of when it comes to managing

26:40

ruminants is, you know,

26:43

putting them in a paddock somewhere and letting them

26:45

graze that that's not how nature works. You

26:47

can't fence them into a small place. And

26:49

you're just doing more of the conventional payphone

26:52

model of concentrated animal feed operation where you

26:54

have a lot of suffering and you have

26:57

degeneration and you're going to have you

26:59

know, the greenhouse gas emission versus

27:01

drawdown with, you know, you can

27:04

do it in a way that mimics

27:06

nature with ruminants. You put them all

27:08

together in tight, tight herds, and

27:10

then they move. They're never stopping in one place

27:13

for too long. They're never going to be able

27:15

to eat away all of that grass all the

27:17

way down to the root. But what they are

27:19

going to do is disturb it enough that

27:22

it's going to stimulate growth of the roots.

27:24

So they're going to grow deeper and that

27:26

plant is going to become more resilient. And

27:28

while the cow is there, it's going to

27:30

defecate and urinate on

27:34

it. So it's going to fertilize it and it's going to water

27:36

it. It's going to, like you talked

27:38

about the seeds that were there waiting to

27:40

come back to life. Their

27:43

hooves will break up that hard pack.

27:45

And then those seeds are going to

27:47

be exposed to these conditions. And

27:50

then the cows are going to be moved on

27:52

like they would as if they were running away

27:54

from wolves chasing them or whatever the predator in

27:56

that environment is. And so, I think that's a

27:59

really good question. And so they did this

28:01

in the Chihuahuan Desert and they took down their

28:03

fences and they worked together inside of their community

28:05

and then they regenerated the

28:07

desert and now they have rainfall

28:09

and they have abundance where before

28:12

they had poverty and they had

28:14

community where they had separation.

28:16

And I just think this imagery

28:19

of these fences coming down, it

28:21

really embodies the essence of what

28:23

regeneration is because you don't have

28:25

regeneration inside of isolation. It's not

28:27

a me versus you, it's

28:29

a we environment. It's one where we're

28:32

all connected to each other, we're all

28:34

connected to nature, we're connected to animals,

28:36

and we're working together. It's

28:38

not about me having more than you,

28:40

it's about there's enough for everyone and

28:43

it's just about moving the resources around

28:45

to where they're necessary. And

28:47

I really believe that this is how we turn it

28:49

around for humanity. As

28:52

we start looking at our species

28:54

and our presence here on this earth

28:56

like that, like there's enough resources for

28:58

everyone and if we work together we

29:00

can move these resources around to where

29:02

they need to be. And

29:05

that's how we feed the world. It's

29:07

not one person sitting somewhere with a

29:09

linear conveyor belt, churning and extracting and

29:11

then sending it using fossil fuels all

29:14

around the world. That's not a model

29:16

that works. Model that works is communities

29:18

coming together, taking down their fences and

29:20

figuring out how to work together to

29:23

build soil. Yeah,

29:26

and then the food system, it's

29:29

so beautiful that's taking down the fences

29:31

and it is. I feel like the

29:33

isolation of COVID has now regenerated

29:37

everybody's need for community.

29:41

We really need connection, we realize

29:43

the detriment of isolation and just

29:45

the direct proportion

29:50

to death and disease, the more

29:52

you're isolated. And

29:56

then also the centralized

29:58

systems are clearly. not

30:00

working like back

30:02

to nature, local, in season,

30:05

biodiversity for the ecosystem,

30:07

the local ecosystem. It

30:10

just seems so simple. We got to go

30:13

back to, there's got to be just a

30:15

way where we go back to nature, but

30:17

then figure out the

30:19

best ways to utilize modern

30:22

technology in beneficial

30:25

ways, not destructive ways. Let's

30:27

do the best of both worlds in a

30:29

more balanced capacity. That's

30:32

it. It's like a farmer, they'll sit in their tractor all day

30:34

long. They'll

30:37

get up before the sun rises and then they'll

30:39

come in after it's set, just out there plowing

30:42

or spraying or seeding,

30:44

whatever it is that's on deck for

30:46

that day. That's a very isolating, it's

30:48

ironic that you're a farmer, but you're

30:51

never actually touching nature and you're

30:53

not actually seeing any other person. There's

30:56

something wrong with that picture. Again,

30:58

mental health and the suicide. The

31:01

chemical aspect, there's the stress aspect and then

31:03

there's the isolation aspect. I

31:06

love that idea of community coming together and

31:09

compiling resources to high

31:12

tide lifts all boats. It's like

31:14

regeneration in soil. I

31:17

love learning about the magical wonders of

31:19

soil. If you have a tree over

31:21

here and then you have a tree

31:23

over there and you have a strong

31:25

mycelium network, that tree is going

31:27

to send resources through the ground, that other

31:29

tree. That's the

31:31

power of nature when it's functioning

31:33

properly and it works the same

31:35

way for people. Totally. I

31:39

love, I think it was, was

31:42

it Rick? Again,

31:45

technology, it's like, by

31:48

the way, the whole tilling thing is mind blowing. You think

31:50

it works, but then you see this conventional soil, it blows

31:52

off in the wind. There's no cover crop, there's no top

31:54

soil, there's no integrity to the soil, it's not alive,

31:57

it's dead. Tilling actually.

32:00

breaks up this mycelium network and

32:02

the only chance for flourishing. Yet

32:05

we just still do it like mindlessly. It's

32:08

wild to me. But then I

32:10

love when Rick was showing the the roller

32:12

crimper in lieu of so

32:14

it's again it's this technological vehicle

32:17

and farm you know equipment

32:22

that in lieu of spraying chemical

32:24

weed killer it mashes down so

32:27

that the weeds can't grow but and then there's

32:29

cover crop it's just like there

32:31

we can use technology and that is

32:34

harmonious and symbiotic with

32:36

nature as well. It's like you

32:38

know I love Rick and Carol Clark

32:40

their story is amazing. They were conventional

32:43

farmers and one year his family

32:46

got sick and Carol got cancer and

32:48

they connected

32:52

the deck and they realized that maybe the

32:54

way they were farming was affecting their health

32:57

and so Rick he

33:00

also noticed that there was like no infiltration

33:02

whenever it would rain basically his entire field

33:04

would just run off right into the ditch

33:07

and it was costing him a lot of money and there

33:09

was no profit in that and so he

33:11

started planting cover crops and that year

33:13

it was like his number one seller

33:16

like he couldn't he next fielded better

33:18

than anything else he couldn't believe it

33:20

and then he knew he was on

33:22

to something and now he's a regenerative

33:24

organic farmer in Indiana and

33:27

he and Carol have proven that not

33:30

only does the regenerative organic model work

33:34

but that you can make a real profit from

33:36

it. I could not be happier there's like not

33:38

too nicer people on this earth that deserve

33:40

to be able to reap the benefits of

33:42

this and so grateful to him because he

33:44

goes to DC and he talks about it

33:46

and he's a Republican and he you know

33:48

he just does a great job of like

33:50

you know it takes not

33:53

all of his neighbors love him you

33:55

know it's some courage

33:57

and some bravery yeah to

34:00

say, hey guys, the way

34:02

we've been doing this, we

34:04

have it backwards and there's

34:07

this other way. And so people

34:09

like Rick and Carol, I really

34:11

respect them because for them

34:13

it's part of their faith. They

34:16

believe it's their purpose, their God-given

34:18

purpose on this earth to be good stewards

34:20

of the land and they take that very

34:22

seriously and they feel that regeneration is a

34:24

part of that, as does Gabe Brown. And

34:27

I think that that's so beautiful because I

34:30

think we all have different access

34:32

points for what brings us to this, you know,

34:34

and that really is the common ground. And some

34:36

of us come to it for climate, some of

34:38

us come to it because they just, you just

34:40

know it's the right thing to do, some of

34:42

us come to it because of our health. But,

34:45

you know, at the end of

34:47

the day it makes for unlikely partners

34:49

because when people start to see how

34:52

much we actually have in common versus

34:54

how different we are, it's amazing how

34:56

quickly people can

34:58

take action together that would never

35:00

have done that before. So beautiful.

35:03

And to see them on camera and like

35:05

to, you know, and she obviously healed that

35:08

like I was, again, I was just in New Zealand and this, call

35:11

him Sam the Bushman, I think Sam the Trapman on

35:13

Instagram, I want to give him a shout out, but

35:16

he, you know, he's so in

35:18

nature and educated in the bush

35:20

and indigenous ways and

35:22

so he knows how like the Mingi

35:24

Mingi plant like protects the

35:27

lizards from this bird and it's

35:29

also ground cover and it's like

35:31

how it's all intertwined and it's vast

35:33

knowledge. And if you look at him, because he's out

35:35

in the bush all day and just like hands in

35:37

the dirt and in these

35:39

natural environments, he's just like

35:41

the exuberance of a child.

35:44

So when you are with

35:46

biodiversity and you see these paddocks of

35:48

like these tall grasses and all of

35:50

these different diverse, you know, crops

35:52

for, you know, animal grazing and

35:55

everything else, you

35:57

can't help but feel the joy because that is a frequency.

35:59

see that nature intended. That's like us in

36:02

harmony with our true nature as well. So

36:04

you see that in people, in farmers like

36:06

Rick, and where I was in New

36:08

Zealand. And it's just so

36:11

cool. And I wish that for all. I just

36:13

I wish that experience, because I think you

36:15

set a statistic in the film where 85%

36:18

of farmers don't even put their hands in

36:20

the dirt. And why would they? Because this

36:22

conventional system doesn't make it attractive.

36:25

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36:28

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have our bodies are electrical. We

38:48

have our hearts beating. When

38:51

we touch the earth, we

38:53

actually get an electron charge from the earth,

38:55

and it fills our body

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with these electrons. Those electrons then thin

38:59

our blood viscosity and reverses inflammation in

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our body. We are made to be

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connected to the earth. That is the

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case in all these peer-reviewed scientific studies

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on this. They've done tests

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on babies in the NICU and shown that

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the bagel tones of the babies who were

39:15

getting that electron charge from the earth versus

39:17

who are on earthing pads versus the ones

39:19

that weren't, their bagel tones were improved almost

39:21

100%, whereas the other ones

39:23

were unchanged. Babies

39:26

don't know the difference of getting that

39:29

electron charge, but our bodies do. When

39:32

you touch the ground, part of that happiness

39:34

that you feel is you're getting that charge

39:36

from the earth. It reverses inflammation, your mental

39:38

health heals, your cortisol

39:40

levels go down. When

39:43

we take care of the earth, the earth takes care

39:45

of us. It's absolutely vital

39:47

for us that every day we actually touch

39:49

the earth and we get our hands into

39:51

the soil. Growing

39:53

food and gardening is a really great access to

39:55

that. They call people tree huggers,

39:58

but people who actually touch trees, You feel good.

40:01

You know, when you put your feet on

40:03

the grass, you feel good. When you put

40:05

your hands in the dirt and you get

40:08

that dirty, there's, there's, it's not

40:10

just like, Oh, this is so pretty and

40:12

I feel good. There's actually a chemistry to

40:14

it. It's that charge that you

40:16

get from the earth that literally

40:19

brings you back to life and can heal your body. So

40:21

a little shout out to our movie, the Earthing movie, it's

40:24

on YouTube. But, you

40:26

know, I firmly believe that when we take

40:28

care of the earth, that the earth takes

40:30

care of us. And it's a reciprocal relationship.

40:33

Yeah. We are, because we're

40:35

part of nature and just like the psyllium

40:38

and fungi like, you know, degenerates

40:41

fallen trees and it's just like all

40:43

when we go back to the earth

40:45

eventually. Right. So,

40:49

and I love earthing. When I was

40:51

pregnant every day, I put my bare feet in

40:53

the, in the earth and it's just, it's a

40:55

game changer. And

40:58

I can't help but think like the chemical, you

41:00

know, conventional farming model is

41:02

very similar to the

41:05

poison cut burn model of cancer and cancer is

41:07

just rising

41:10

and exploding everywhere very sadly.

41:13

It was when I made heal and now

41:15

six and a half years later, like, or

41:17

seven years later since I started making it,

41:19

it's just on the rise even more exponentially,

41:21

which is obviously due to

41:23

some of these chemicals and etc.

41:26

But it's, I just

41:28

see that shift. It's like more and more

41:31

people are waking up. Like I just interviewed

41:33

a woman who healed in two

41:35

years, stage four aggressive

41:37

breast cancer, her two breast cancer that ended

41:39

up going to her brain. So post surgery

41:41

and removing, then I went to the lymph

41:43

node and then they found a spot in

41:45

her brain and then

41:48

she had surgery and so now she's

41:50

got, you know, radical remission and she

41:52

did only holistic because that's what her

41:54

intuition said. So really, you know, through

41:56

connection with nature, etc. You

41:59

know, but the conventional. conventional model is kill

42:01

kill kill with chemo with big chemicals, right

42:03

and and I

42:06

don't you know again, I'm not here

42:08

to judge which path because I know

42:11

very wonderful well-meaning oncologists and people

42:13

that do believe that that is the way

42:15

to survive, you know and But

42:19

I just can't like to be you know

42:21

If she had gone conventional like her best-case scenario

42:23

is two to five years, you know, she did

42:26

holistic and now she is Like

42:28

in you know radically remissed or whatever in

42:30

like there's no evidence of disease so

42:33

all of that to say is just like I just you

42:37

know whether even if you do Integrative

42:39

and you do part conventional part like

42:41

we have to go back to nature

42:43

and address our lives

42:45

our societal structure our community

42:49

in this holistic manner

42:51

knowing that everything is interconnected and

42:54

If we are going to you know do Western

42:57

medicine because that's what we believe in and I

42:59

encourage that you should do whatever your strongest belief

43:01

is in and which is probably why some of

43:03

these farmers are Our stubborn

43:05

because it's like they have generations of

43:08

people that before them doing it this way You

43:10

know and they just this is the way they

43:13

do it. So it's hard to change and pop

43:15

out of that system And

43:17

so you should I

43:20

just think that I don't know I just it's

43:22

it starts with awareness So that's why I'm so

43:24

grateful for this film because it it

43:26

does and more examples of success like

43:28

this woman that I interviewed Like

43:32

Rick and I guess Carol. Is that

43:34

her name? Yeah, Carol. Oh my gosh

43:36

Like, you know, we just need these

43:38

shining examples of people that took the

43:40

risk through the fear Through

43:43

the criticism of neighbors or doctors

43:45

or whoever and they did

43:47

it anyway, they followed their gut and Are

43:50

flourishing as a result? I You

43:54

know, I think that there is a time and place

43:57

for allopathic medicine. There's no question

43:59

about that You know, I mean, I

44:01

had a terrible ear infection and I was in

44:03

Mexico. They gave me antibiotic ear drops, you know,

44:05

save me. Thank God. You

44:07

know, my husband had a tumor that he

44:10

went through and they were able to remove that.

44:12

Now he's like a bionic man with a titanium

44:14

leg. Thank God. You know, thank God for Western

44:16

medicine. But

44:18

the problem becomes when people start to profit

44:20

off of that model. And then you go

44:22

to a doctor for something and they don't

44:24

even really look at you. They just write

44:26

you a prescription, you know, and that's when

44:28

we start relying on these really

44:31

specific medications that are useful in

44:34

a certain context when necessary. And

44:37

then you start using them for everything and then you build

44:39

this immunity to it. And then you're under this chronic stress

44:42

of being exposed constantly to

44:44

chemicals. Our bodies are resilient. Our

44:46

bodies are amazing. They're made to heal,

44:49

you know, this is what you're telling yourself, you're

44:51

self healing. But

44:54

if you're doing it every day and you're

44:56

using it every time, then you've lost

44:58

that connection and you've lost that balance.

45:00

And so, I mean, our bodies have

45:03

the power to heal. And if you,

45:05

you know, like cancer, I

45:07

mean, we all can start to go down

45:09

that path and we can amazingly heal ourselves.

45:12

But if you get too far down the

45:14

path, at some point you're going to need

45:16

to bring in the hammer, you know, to

45:18

treat illness and that's, and thank God, you

45:20

know, for that when necessary. But

45:24

I think people often put

45:26

a lot of trust into

45:28

these institutions, thinking that they are going to keep

45:30

us safe. And

45:33

we want to be need to believe that like when we're in

45:35

those emergency moments, you know, you

45:38

want to trust that the people who your

45:40

life is in their hands that they're going to bring you back. But

45:43

when we get lazy

45:45

and we start to just treat

45:47

everything, treat, we start treating symptoms and

45:50

we forget that like every time we eat,

45:52

like our food is our medicine and our

45:54

medicine is our food and we stop actually

45:57

touching the earth and we lose that electron

45:59

charge. we need from the earth. And like

46:01

just all of these things

46:03

add up and that resiliency over time,

46:06

if it's every single day, you're getting

46:08

cameras with chemicals and you're not getting

46:10

refilled, you're not getting that electron charge, you're

46:13

not getting nutrition that you need, you're ultimately

46:16

going to slip. There's no void,

46:18

there's no drug that

46:20

can just fix that. That

46:22

is, the issue there isn't the cancer.

46:25

The issue there is the conditions that

46:27

led to that. And so if we

46:29

can learn how to create conditions that

46:32

are for wellness and for healing and

46:34

for regeneration, then we're

46:37

all gonna become compost one day, but

46:39

hopefully it will be much later than

46:41

sooner. And hopefully our compost

46:43

is a little more nutrition packed than the

46:45

alternative. Yeah, I'm gonna make great compost

46:47

one day, 100%

46:50

regenerative organic. I love the

46:53

group in your film that's, I

46:55

think it was like the good

46:57

neighbor gardens. Yeah,

47:00

because, and

47:02

this is what I was trying to explain about

47:04

the cancer thing. It's like, I really do believe

47:06

we're in this transition time where there is more

47:09

information available, but we have such a

47:11

strong belief that cancer equals death and

47:14

then chemo has generally

47:16

been the way for

47:19

the last 100 years or 80 years we

47:22

treat it. And so there's just, that

47:24

fear drives us into the system and

47:27

people lose track of the

47:29

bigger picture. So that system and

47:31

that system has saved lives, especially

47:33

if you believe in that system. And

47:37

so, but we can

47:39

switch our beliefs in possibility when

47:41

we raise awareness, when we

47:43

educate, when we inform, when we share the

47:45

stories of the Rick and the Carols, now

47:48

talking about regenerative farming and healing,

47:51

healing the land, healing our families, healing

47:53

ourselves. And like

47:56

the good neighbor gardens,

48:00

So, people don't think about it,

48:02

but like if

48:04

you're eating out of a bag or a box,

48:06

those foods are packed with

48:09

chemicals and preservatives in order to make

48:11

them crunchy or to last longer on

48:13

a shelf. That is not

48:15

food. That is not food that is from

48:17

nature anymore. That is modified food that our

48:19

body doesn't recognize as food and nutrients. So,

48:21

it may be giving you some sort of

48:23

sustenance. It certainly is not giving you health

48:25

or vitality. And so, to

48:29

show that we can start to grow our own

48:31

food and how important, just like we grow the

48:33

front lawns, we all grow lawns, right? Let's

48:36

grow gardens and these hyper-local

48:38

food systems so that we

48:40

can get organic, locally grown

48:43

seasonal food to

48:46

these communities that

48:48

are just need organic

48:50

and vibrant health more than anything, access to

48:53

those foods. And so, to teach people to

48:55

just grow their own little gardens, I mean

48:57

that part of the film is, to

49:00

me, like we should all,

49:02

not just farmers, but every citizen should

49:04

be growing a little bit of food

49:06

and helping their local communities have access

49:08

to organic produce. We can

49:10

all participate in the food system, in our own

49:13

window cells, in the planter boxes, in

49:15

our backyards, and this is a little

49:17

median of dirt between the

49:19

sidewalk and the streets. We can turn

49:22

our cities into food forests. We can

49:24

turn our backyards into these beautiful OACs

49:27

with biodiverse food. I'm

49:29

constantly bringing perennial trees

49:31

in. Every week, my

49:34

favorite right now, because we live in California,

49:36

mulberries, and my kids will go out, they'll

49:38

eat the mulberries off the trees. There's

49:41

something so amazing

49:44

when you can taste food that you just

49:46

picked and you just put it in your

49:48

mouth and you took part in growing that

49:50

food. It awakens something

49:53

in you. It awakens this

49:55

innate wisdom that we all

49:57

have for how to live and how to thrive.

50:00

drive and how to be vibrant. We all have that.

50:02

And when you, like you said, eat something out of the

50:04

bag or a box, you know, that

50:06

usually it has a picture of a vegetable

50:08

on it, or it has a picture like

50:10

potato chips, like tomato flavor or something like

50:12

that, you know, and your body sees the

50:14

tomato needs the nutrition.

50:16

Maybe it's like iron from the tomato needs

50:19

the nutrition from that. And you're craving that

50:21

can eat the chip. And

50:24

your body doesn't get the nutrition. And so it's like,

50:26

Oh, I'm still hungry. I need to keep eating this

50:28

chip because I'm still not getting that nutrition that my

50:30

body is seeking. And then you fill

50:33

up all in all the food, but you don't

50:35

feel full. You still feel hungry because you haven't

50:37

actually gotten the iron that your body is seeking

50:39

from the tomato that it was craving. And

50:42

then you've destroyed your palates ability to

50:44

actually taste the flavor. And they

50:46

develop these flavors like in the most

50:49

critical Dorito Effect is a great book

50:51

by Mark, Mark Schatzger. He

50:54

is in a, he has a phenomenal way

50:56

of educating people about how our flavor has

50:59

been hijacked by food companies who want to

51:01

sell you something in a bag or a

51:03

box and how it tricks us our minds

51:05

into thinking that we're getting the nutrition that

51:08

it's creating. But actually what we're

51:10

doing is we're stripping our body of

51:12

the nutrition that it needs and

51:14

making ourselves sick in the process. So,

51:18

you know, even just like restoring

51:20

our body's ability to taste food and

51:22

come back to life through growing a

51:24

tomato plant or through growing some arugula

51:26

in your backyard to taste spice of

51:29

the arugula. Like my kids are like,

51:31

when I eat a mulberry, they're like,

51:33

Oh, that one is crunchy. It probably

51:35

had a bug on it. They're like

51:37

more flavor, you know, it's like

51:39

more protein. I mean, that's our attitude. It's like, we

51:41

want to taste our food. We want

51:43

to eat it the way that nature intended

51:45

and you can feel it. You can feel

51:48

the difference. And I think

51:50

every human on earth had participated in

51:52

that food system and it will bring

51:54

them joy. It will bring them health

51:56

and it will ultimately bring us community

51:59

because when you start growing. you want

52:01

to share food and then you find other

52:03

people who are growing food and they're probably

52:05

growing a different food. So like during COVID,

52:07

I was trading avocados with my neighbor for

52:09

quail eggs and you know, just moving

52:11

food around and you know,

52:14

eating is a community act. You know, it's

52:16

better when done together. And when

52:18

you share bounties that we're all

52:21

growing and that's that's regeneration and

52:23

community. Totally. It's getting back to

52:25

these communities and yeah,

52:27

just, it's so beautiful. And that's, I mean,

52:29

we have to go there. Otherwise we are

52:32

sick. Our society is sick. Our climate is

52:35

sick. Our bodies are sick. Our earth is sick.

52:37

That's where we're at. We're there. We're

52:39

there. So yeah, we're there

52:41

for us to take the steps that we need

52:43

to know. We're like, we're like, we're akin

52:46

to the, to the pre-cancer patient right

52:48

now, you know, we've got like, in which direction

52:51

are we going to go? Because we're not going

52:53

to be able to chemically spray our way out

52:55

of this. There's only one way

52:57

out of that. And that's through getting creative,

52:59

rolling up our sleeves, getting our hands dirty

53:02

and building soil. Yeah.

53:04

And doing living in harmony and

53:06

as, you know, with the intelligence

53:09

and coherence of the intelligence of

53:11

nature, because mother nature knows

53:13

how to heal herself and we just need to

53:16

learn from her and you

53:18

know, the indigenous ways and then just

53:20

these ancient wisdoms that

53:23

have been around and survive, you know, food, let

53:25

thy food be thy medicine and the medicine be thy

53:28

food, you know, thousands of years old. And oh

53:30

my gosh. We're either going to get in line or

53:32

she's going to kick us off. She's going to kick

53:34

us off. Yeah. We're exactly. Yeah. We'll end up

53:36

being the cancer. We'll be, we'll be the cancer. We

53:38

are the cancer right now. Throw

53:41

some food and make it fun. You

53:43

know, let's turn this crisis into a

53:46

huge opportunity. You know, I had, I

53:49

had a friend, he had read this book. I don't remember

53:51

what the name of the book was, but the idea was

53:53

that like carbon is tree food. You know,

53:55

so like imagine if we took all that carbon

53:57

from there, we put it back in the soil,

53:59

like how much

54:01

the trees could, like, you know, giant trees from

54:03

all this carbon that we have. Like, we have

54:06

an opportunity to put carbon where it needs to

54:08

be to grow. Carbon isn't an enemy. Carbon

54:10

is something that's incredibly, we need carbon

54:12

to grow food. That's what carbon, that's

54:15

what trees grow, they breed in carbon.

54:19

So let's plant some trees

54:21

and some tall grasses and let's, you

54:23

know, let's get our board and

54:25

support nature to do what Sheena decided to do.

54:28

Exactly. So how are you helping people do

54:30

that? Where can people find Common Ground? How

54:32

can they get involved and

54:34

join the mission? People

54:37

could, we're, we're opening

54:39

still theatrically. We've

54:41

just, right now we're opening in

54:43

75 more markets theatrically and people

54:47

can go to commongroundfilm.org.

54:50

That's commongroundfilm.org.

54:53

And we have the entire list of screenings

54:55

there and people can request a screening. We

54:58

have a big announcement coming. The

55:01

film will be available globally this fall,

55:03

that we can't say who, what, how,

55:05

where, when. I'm saying

55:07

when, this fall in October. But

55:10

it's very, very exciting. The film is

55:12

going to be available globally in every

55:15

language. And yeah,

55:19

I cannot wait for people

55:21

to have access to this film because

55:23

when people saw autistic ground, it

55:26

really did have a major

55:28

role in influencing going from where we

55:30

were at, which was about 3 million

55:32

acres and transition to regenerative agriculture to

55:34

where we are now, which is about

55:37

32 million acres in transition. And

55:39

I think when Common Ground comes out that

55:41

we're going to get up to 100 million

55:43

into transition. And I

55:46

invite people to watch it. There's going

55:48

to be an educational version that could

55:50

be shown in schools for free in

55:52

September, along with curriculum. It goes

55:54

along with that. There'll be a

55:56

farmer version and we're going to have a film

55:58

on the farm series where farmers can show

56:00

it, they do like a tailgate party,

56:02

or they can show it like, construct

56:04

it up outside of their barn, and

56:07

they can do a screening, host it,

56:09

they can educate their community using the

56:11

film as a tool to show them

56:13

what wonderful regeneration is already happening right

56:15

there in their community and how their

56:17

community can support them. Basically,

56:20

we want the film to be to be

56:22

available to as many people as possible, and

56:24

first be a tool for them to be

56:26

able to go out and do

56:29

their part to regeneration. The people always ask me like,

56:31

what can I do? And I think I think all

56:33

of us have a role in it. And it's just

56:35

up to each one of us to figure out what

56:37

that role is. So I want

56:39

everyone to go to common ground film.org,

56:42

watch the film and find your

56:44

role and regeneration. I love

56:46

it. Thank you so much. I really hope, you

56:49

know, for the people that need access

56:51

to, you know, cleaner, organic, more vibrant food,

56:53

like get excited and amped to try to

56:55

grow their own, you know, even a little

56:57

bit or start a

56:59

movement in their community so they can each

57:01

grow a little bit and just compile this

57:03

bounty for their local community. That sounds amazing

57:05

to me. And then I really

57:08

just hope that the farmers who need it

57:10

most, you

57:12

know, find hope and

57:14

support and resources and inspiration

57:17

and courage to and just

57:20

really support, you know, we need to support them in any

57:22

way we can. So I would just really commend you for

57:25

this film and shining the light

57:27

of awareness and and yeah,

57:29

getting this movement going and showing us all we're

57:31

all on common ground. You know, we're

57:33

all learning from everyone and learning as I'm going

57:35

I'm a farmer to we've got our little farm

57:37

here. So it's, you know, I love the biggest

57:39

little farm. I can relate to that in my

57:42

own way at our five acres here.

57:44

You know, this is the

57:46

movement. This is the next trillion dollar industry. This

57:48

is the way that it's going. I'm so

57:51

honored to get to be a person that gets

57:53

to introduce some people to it. But the reality

57:55

is, like, it's all of

57:57

our movement. And this is the way we're whether

57:59

we like it or not. So now is a

58:02

great moment for people to jump on board. Awesome.

58:04

Well, thank you, Rebecca. And tell Josh, I hope

58:06

he feels better. And yeah, good

58:10

luck with the rollout. I know it's already, you

58:12

can do an amazing thing. So I appreciate you

58:14

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58:16

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