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hello

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and welcome to the health report with me

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taking tyler

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today, a man who overdosed

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on vitamin supplements, how

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to identify a life threatening condition

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with really vague symptoms

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and back in two thousand and

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nine australia launched a national preventative

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health strategy with a lofty goal to

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be the healthiest country in the world by

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twenty twenty well none of

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us back then could have imagined the health crisis we'd

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all be dealing with in twenty twenty that

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this strategy focused on three particular

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areas tobacco use alcohol

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use and obesity tobacco

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wait until you well alcohol were

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improving that slowly obesity

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has gone in the other direction according

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to figures released last week by the australian

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institute of health and welfare the

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ninety ninety five about one in five

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as giants with her this now that's just

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under one in three they

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won't actually works when it comes to obesity let's

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ask an expert here sign martin

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from the obesity policy coalition hi

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jane hi taken the

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obesity is often framed as an issue individual

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responsibility that people should simply choose

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to be healthier that will make them lose weight

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is this the

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the patch

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no the causes of weight

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gain a complex and there's a range

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of issues i'm in our society

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with impact on what ways and

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you know awake stigma i'm and blaming

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people is a you know it can exacerbate

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weight gain and lie to physical health consequences

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including people avoiding healthcare

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so it's really important that

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we don't blame individuals

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and that we look to the other reasons in

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our society and our community that

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is shaping what we ate and how much physical

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activity we do

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right

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there be am i the measure as an individual level

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is really fraud it's a blunt instrument

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affairs at a population level

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it's useful as a the health issue because

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there are links at a puppy level between

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high whites and chronic disease like

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diabetes and cancer yeah

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that's right it's really important to understand

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what direction the population wise is

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because this has an impact on on the

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health services that are acquired it

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impacts on the supports that a needed

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for , who are unable to work and and suffer

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from disability as a result of their ways

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ways so we need to be prepared

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and as he say what's been happening

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is our white has been increasing

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across the population so we

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know that this is a big problem and

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we are building hospitals that can

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meet i managed people with a guy who

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are above a healthy weight because that is

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the population we have twelve and we have million

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adults who are unhealthy weight category

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and many of them are suffering from the

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diseases and disability that comes with

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that

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so mentioned at the beginning

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tobacco as a driver of

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then trouble disease or in inverted commas

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and that's really come down from from

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a high and on the to be about equal with

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obesity in terms of drivers of disease

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that's happened because of interventions

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odds interventions like what we've done with said or

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what we should be looking at for

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are they said yes

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and up until now i'm the actions

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that the ussr and government have taken that

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were outline many of them in the preventative

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health society obesity tester

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i haven't been implemented a many of those

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would could tell the commercial interests as

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the ultra prices food industry in

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particular so there's a lot of

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pushback , from these industry

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so that would be their recommendation such

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as protecting tude of from the marketing

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of unhealthy foods we are very

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successfully removed tobacco sponsorship

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tobacco advertising on television on

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there's no actually no tobacco advertising

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allowed in australia we

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also brought in regulations run the

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packaging of tobacco smoke

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free environments and really

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increase the price of tobacco on

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plus provided services were thorough

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pathways and services like the crete line

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as well as some acidic foods to support

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people who people who the quit smoking

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so i really integrated approach

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not just relying on public education

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and and people to do better about

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really pressing nice leyva is that site

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how people behave to support

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them to be healthier and

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the similar sort of things that we could do

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to support people to have healthy diet is taking

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sugary drinks out of hospitals and health

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care services ensuring that

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schools are promoting healthy food

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not doing the chocolate fundraiser i'm

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ensuring contains a full of healthy

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nutritious food for children really

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changing social norms so

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that ultra priciest sugary drinks

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and processed foods aren't

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easy to guess i'm as they are now

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and really pushing healthy fresh

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vegetables fruits and other options

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to

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support and or

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i know that is a of a sick feeling

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between what people eight and white

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that they're at said it's not it's not the only

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thing that drives that if we're talking about obesity

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as this that of end result is

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the focusing just on a prices food

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and sugary drinks the answer i

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think we need to look at the whole system

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i mean at the moment this is sort of a

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really a tipping point in our society

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where we saying the cost of

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fresh fried food we

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really i'm jump to a huge

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extent that we've never you know we haven't seen

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in in recent times and that's a really serious

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issue how to weeds reorientate the

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food system so that you know the

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healthy foods fruits and vegetables

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are cheap the people arm

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and these ultra prices seats aren't

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cheap so you know what they've done in other

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countries is an increase the prices

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of sugary drinks by

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are putting a levy on manufacturers to

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reformulate that has resulted in reformulate

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since and the high sugar

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drinks go up and people stop drinking

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nice strength and then the fun to put towards health

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promotion is since i'm and that's had

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a lot of success in the city three

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countries around the world have done that now i'm

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so you know you could look at those sorts

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of pricing leave his arm

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and then support you know dies on low

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income to purchase com

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seeds healthy foods at a cheaper i

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say there's a couple of recommendations that your group

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has put forward but if i wanted him his sook attacks

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on drink that something it's been in the national

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conversation on an offer few years now

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and they have been talks about industry sort

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of having fallen quick hide is that

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halfway point that is need

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to be regulated i

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think you need to create a level playing field

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and regulate that arm and

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ensure that it happens in a timely way in the uk

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they implemented it within a year and

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over that period drinks manufacturers'

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reformulated their drinks and people

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just announcing that policy people

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start drinking sugary drinks because

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they weren't aware of how much sugar within those

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strength said it was harmful to their health harmful

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to the dental health so it really said

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a quad a strong message across

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, british society and people

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responded before there was even on

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up a disincentive through price

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so it shows how powerful that

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sort of policy implementation

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and even announcements can be

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we talk about obesity is a bit proxy

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for

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the help market is and this is this

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is something that happens that a global level what

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what's the data telling us about

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that and also what works

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when it comes to reducing people's right to

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a population level is there any way that's

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actually doing it well yes

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well yes , are but some

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said obesity is a a

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proxy and make see more vulnerable

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to type two diabetes cardiovascular

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disease thirteen types of cancer

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including com and cancers like breast and

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bowel cancer that it that puts

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a huge strain on your am body

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and and there are at his it's associated

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with outsiders disease or

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mental health issues on

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that's that's something that people aren't necessarily

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aware , so it does have huge impacts

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and our population is i'm got getting

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into these unhelpful unhealthy weight category

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that younger ages so people i'm at

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higher risk and they may develop

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these diseases and live with them for a long

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a long time which has a big impact

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on the arms on our economy

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because people are not able

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to work work be

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productive over there last time if they're suffering

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from undies chronic long chronic conditions

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astray is not aligned a we have one of

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the lowest smoking prevalence is in the world

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but i'm we have one of the highest

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levels of either ways and obesity

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in either ways developed world as

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well so we're not alone

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and the countries that have some really

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looked at introducing comprehensive

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approach is similar to what as radio has

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done into this code control ah

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latin america they have a huge problem

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with type two diabetes and

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an ultra processed foods and drinks a very

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cheap and available so

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they've done things like put a health levy

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on the manufacturers of sugary drinks for

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them to reformulate

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, protected children from the marketing

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of unhealthy foods or stops and suit

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advertising sent seat advertising children

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on television that got rid of the cartoon

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characters on packaging packaging

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were aimed at children so high so

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the cereals that kind of things and

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on puts an interpretive labeling

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politico did labeling on the front of put

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food packaging or or warning labels

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on the front of food packaging

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morning people is the products high in fat salt

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sugar or just an overall and

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energy and having a package of measures

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that we did with tobacco control really

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is and we need a comprehend

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the upright they do have that road map

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we have the national obesity strategies

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and we have the national preventative health strategy

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on which again mira married many of those

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recommendations and made to

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bring a stray yeah i'm up

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to the healthiest country are by twenty

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twenty one giant think so

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much for joining us thanks very

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much the martin is executive

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manager the obesity policy colonies

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you're listening to the health report on our end with

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me taken taylor

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we've all watched those medical shows with a patient

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tens up with vague symptoms and a team

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of doctors frantically trying to figure out

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the source of the problem the for it's too late

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don't tell me you haven't what size like these your

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health report the i know what you like but

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what's it like to be that percent

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well one person who knows very well

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is caitlin also back in

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twenty eighteen when she was twenty three she

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was dubbed mystery girl by the

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medical team trying to save her life

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the her

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it started with a weird read

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on her chest

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why don't we had this random bread ration

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ongoing for a couple of months i'd

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been so she different doctors and

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you know it's just been trying to figure out what it was

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like , lot of young people day i just

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kept working and ignored it it

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it wasn't until i was

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just got a really big like your eight

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and you do when you just so really unwell and you

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want to keep pushing on but i was

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feeling really saw some quite feverish

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went see the ducks i take our medical

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certificate for work of for the

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doctor thought they it was just the for the

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couple more days went by and caitlin started

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to had a feeling like seed beaten had soon

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she was feeling of color says she took a

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nap on evening the white up

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dribbling to find her tongue small

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one on one side to the point where she couldn't

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speak she texted her aunt

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who took her to the local emergency

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department they say o s

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forty five minutes and sylvia not

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for a think it

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if they do

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adrenaline and as every

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and it has

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the opposite effect

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that my blood pressure completely dropped

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breathing lessons i get this

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muffled blue and red rats all over me

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and i just keep passing outfield really

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on while this is when africa

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we don't know what this is that's

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quite a brave decision to them as flight

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my cat that was when they

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called mom has emergency contacts

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and they said we're going to have to send

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her an emergency ambulance but apostles trust

12:32

me in the ambulance hey

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a big a hospital they telling you that there's a

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chance of them i have to cut his throat opens in this

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ambulance okay

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so still medical mystery and

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everything just kept getting worse unless i kept

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curated

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boeing karma case paralyzed

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inspired me

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they figured out what was going on my body

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akira

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they thought it was a to think that sounds

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just a hunch and they did the city's

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gonna send out the inside my jaw

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my wisdom teeth was impacted and

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infected a had no pain no symptoms

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that this wisdom teeth had turned into an infection

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infection had treated caitlin body

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to go into severe sepsis

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and inflammatory overreaction that

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can cause damage to tissues and organs

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caitlin spent nine days in a climber

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as the medical team worked to fight

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the and section

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then it was really

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it's scary but the doctors were amazing the

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pressure from the infection status

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crushed my drug dealer

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the my com was black they were talking about agitating

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and much as your veins as

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get crushed islam

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after any intervention from their doctors

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that was there i really good start

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to turn a corner how many people

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were involved have you ever done the mess on how many people

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were in your care from start

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i went to rely on what

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i've been told that i was told that when i

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got air that twenty people waiting for mean risk

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races

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medical mystery a mystery girl

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mystery girl cold and then knows that a hundred

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trying to figure out what on earth was going on

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dvd like the amount of been opportunities earlier

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in your care that someone could have identified

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it as sepsis that might have made a difference the

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you

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i'm on earth is and i'm

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really grateful that someone didn't escalate

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my can

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but if they had of recognize that it was sepsis

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about very cesspool i probably would

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have been a very different outcome because

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it would have been so much faster

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dot a treatment not have ended

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up you know i retained paralyzed

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so you've come to that explains

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you will this as it's happen obviously terrifying

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and then what's the sort of return to

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your normal as thing the

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i'm really lucky compared to a lot of other people

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here have had success in i

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don't have any amputations or anything

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like that there were talks as and beheading my tongue

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but , did wake up with all of these

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stars and unidos lot of like brain

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fog since in the recovery was a little bit slow

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in that usually sleep wake up from acquiring

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you have no idea what's going on you turn

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is that of peace everything together but

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i was able to recover

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i do have some ongoing thing as well i didn't

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have like a lot sicker than most people just

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being really grateful to be alive and be here

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they sepsis it's , condition

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that claims thousands of the stallion laws

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each year but especially in the early

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stages it's symptoms a super vague

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vague these telling commission on safety and

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quality and health care has created a national

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clinical kissed and it's a sepsis a

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, to the commission's clinical director of the

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carolyn hollick earlier this

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is a last threatening condition and it's a medical

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emergency that many of us

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no too much about and in australia

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more than i didn't have thousand people died

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she was success which is pretty phenomenal

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number and more than they pull it off

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approach on was struck that with no clue what about

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since this is actually the body's

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response to an infection so

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happened after any and sections but

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what happens put your body starts

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to have this function of organs related

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to the infection which can be lost no

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you're not critical reception as can actually

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have ongoing once and problems of

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mobility provided fifty one

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the people who aren't familiar with sets as can you talk us

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what's happening in the body

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they can have enough to any infection

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and what happens is your your immune system starts

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to read x that infection a men

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your immune system can actually have impacts

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on your heart lungs and brain

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and i think sometimes and they think about

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curtains and we talk about long traded

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in some i was talking about similar things

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related to upset

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you mention a scale of the problem and whites needed

16:41

what was the situation before

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this

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new national standard the think

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the good thing about this new national standard

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which is actually pretty remarkable is that

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we've got all the states and territories and mr and

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government to agree on how we should manage

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sepsis so previously different

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conditions different states and territories

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had different standards set by

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bringing everyone together men's which will be on

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the sun page lutz said

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after what has some of the things that have changed

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like what are some of these steps that have been

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implemented heroics hundreds of

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the didn't three parts or it's the

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first three statements are about what

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happens when you think someone might have sepsis

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how do we recognize that how do we diagnose

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it totally trade it said then the next

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statement surround sound of it'll cost of people

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to hospital multidisciplinary kid

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communicating with families and then the last

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one is or the going home in what should happen

17:31

after hospital it's one of the things the

17:34

people who survive sits is a told us about

17:36

is that when they get back out into the community

17:38

even if this be critical young well in intensive

17:41

care that they they play than the rest of

17:43

their families and care providers sadness

17:45

or know what to do or how to manage them

17:48

with this it's

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one of the consumer soda said she didn't

17:51

have any obvious limb amputation

17:53

director thinks she's been in intensive care and

17:55

when she went home she kind of expected to build

17:57

to go straight back to work but she's having

17:59

hoping

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i'm driving and just doing her average

18:03

daily tasks and let's just took

18:05

much longer than six assists recover from

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sepsis

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and she was should know that before sex

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left hospital rights as some of this is geared

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towards can seem as the majority that's geared

18:14

towards the medical system but

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for consumers it's navy more common

18:19

than people realize that is rare

18:21

slots in a level of awareness to innate in the community

18:24

like with strike we have strike i s t

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fast as display of diagnosing that

18:28

was recognizing someone that you're with

18:30

might be having that strike do we need something

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like that to set

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the first statement around intercepts

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this clinical care said it is just could be sepsis

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i think that's think that's good question for both

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clinicians and for consumers to think about

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and it's i present to hospital and say to the

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trash nurse couldn't be sepsis it helps

18:48

to trigger different thinking about

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what the problem as you can imagine

18:52

and children consistently one of the commonest

18:54

reason for children come to the emergency departments

18:57

favorite an infection and try to

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tell a child who has set this amongst

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all the other children if have my the bar with

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mrs can be really difficult so

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we just want people to think about could this be set

19:08

for something that's the most important thing and

19:10

then hopefully the systems are in place to then

19:12

trigger the rest of the system to do the right things

19:15

the addition to being involved in this your

19:18

also an image the position yourself

19:20

what sort of frustration seaside in his

19:22

space in you clinical work

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he gets frustrating i've seen some the emergency

19:26

departments actually designed says

19:28

identification of critically ill people

19:30

but probably frustrating said tyson's who have

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baby lowered acuity problems in my

19:35

do quite a long time but i think

19:37

when people rise quickly as well

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the burleigh you to or cast to pick losses

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i think the challenge to be part is actually the ones

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who remotely the portal on like you're

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probably thinking that a fast also

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the low blood pressure to the hotmail aesthetic

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really go to the resources i should buy all

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the systems to didn't we do very well

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but it's the ones in between my way into our

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could it be sepsis i'm not sure what is

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that another diagnosis the that statistical

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sounds and group i we can on

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a thing for nothing for having systems

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in place already have a going to manage sets

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western that helps to capture some of that

20:11

not so straightforward

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what sort of a difference does it make if he can catch

20:15

someone and diagnose them early

20:17

compared to one there in that more critical

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say

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the catch phrases

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every minute counts but basically the

20:24

longer it takes for us to diagnose sepsis

20:26

and the longer it takes for tyson's pretty soon to

20:28

get antibiotics the worse outcomes

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that i can help and that's what such as time

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critical emergency

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if people take one thing away from these guidelines

20:36

what the hype it is i think

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the takes up too seriously and

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to think about couldn't be sepsis and

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i think the other parties around making

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so that we listen patients and families

20:46

and take they can some seriously and

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tell them

20:49

they kept is a concerned about

20:51

couldn't be set

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carolyn how it is an emergency

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physician and clinical director of the sterling

20:57

commission on safety and quality and health

20:59

care that we talked before

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on this so about the evidence or lack

21:04

thereof in favor of vitamin supplement

21:07

the including that a monday many

21:09

, a told to take a vitamin d supplement

21:11

especially in winter when is less sunshine but

21:14

it's possible to have too much of a good thing

21:16

thing we got my colleague science

21:19

reporter gemma conroy talking about

21:21

a case of something i'd never heard of before

21:23

vitamin d toxicity i

21:26

gemma tell us about this guy

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hi thanks for having me teeth on

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yes i do with this man in the uk

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recently who came to hospital

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former same time real

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on you know his on you

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were almost shutting down and

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blood tests revealed that he

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actually had east vitamin d levels

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with seven times or the limits

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as because he was taking a cocktail

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of twenty different software it's including

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a whopping one hundred and fifty thousand

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international units of vitamin

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d

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he'd been experiencing this thirty

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three months as soon as

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he started taking these really

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high doses of these supplements arm

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he pretty much started experiencing symptoms

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one month then he stopped are

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taking them that is continuing to experience

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these nasty symptoms on

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and it just goes to so you

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can definitely have too much for good thing

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right so why did why was he taking so

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much well when i spoke

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to dr elemental condi he

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said that said main motivation

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for this man he was feeling really low in

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energy and he sought

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out the advice of advice nutritionist who

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advised him to take some

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high doses of different vitamins

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and one of them with vitamin d

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so i think he's sort of thought that perhaps

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the vitamin d can sort of pick him up a little bit he

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had had had history of some pretty severe

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health problems i'm although he wasn't

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sort of suffering from them i thought

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sort of time but yeah he was really

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just looking to sort of you know be a bit more

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active have active bit of extra pepper

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and he set and you feel this was the way to go

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following the advice of advice new there's really

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not he quantum well what's

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the treatment for vitamin d toxicity

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sorry he spent eight days in hospital

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and say that flashy system out

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with intravenous fluids

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and they put him on a midget medication to reduce

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these calcium levels because actually

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that that's what happens with von monday

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toxicity is it makes a calcium

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levels in your blood on go rice

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have which lays the all these symptoms

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arms can leave include things like

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an isis ah the abdominal

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pain on nods

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is a huge range of since the t he'd

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lost so i almost think kilos

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in that short space of time and

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not the menace of be discharged from hospital

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that when he came back to to take in

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two months later he's calcium levels return

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to normal but he vitamin d levels

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of still sky high hi and

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that's because vitamin d is it takes

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a long time sodas and flush out of

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the system it's because it's a fat soluble

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fought a minute stored in you is

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that tissue it it's actually got

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a very slow turnover sorry

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it took a long time to undo the

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damage right so

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you can we talk the it's still a cautionary

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tale says how much vitamin d's

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the right amount

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at for you

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the or human so generally

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in australia the government advises

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government advises

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no

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than two hundred or four hundred

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six hundred international units

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each day that's five to fifteen micrograms

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i'm a if you're severely deficient

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or you've got health problems such as diabetes

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and cardiovascular disease he might be

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you might get a higher dose than that i

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think the faith upper limit is something

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like four thousand international units

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but again you wouldn't take that much unless he had

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a very specific reason for doing so

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or your doctor advised you to and

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the toxic a level is some if he's taking

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forty thousand two hundred thousand

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international units that's when you've

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got a high chance of coming

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down with vitamin d toxicity and

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this man was taking even more than that so

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i most australians are getting enough vitamin d just

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from getting out in the sunshine there's a

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in some certain fades

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any insights on the psychology

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of why people maybe take extra

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high doses things like supplements

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yeah salsa think they're still

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looking at reception that net

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so automatically means safe

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and in our with these sort of natural

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substances he knows recent getting

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these things every day it's easy to sort

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of fall into that trap of thinking oh

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more is this whole arm

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and arm big problem is problem is vitamins

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and supplements aren't regulated like

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you know he the counter medications

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of the scripts and medications

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soil is yeah people to sit easily

25:56

fall into that trap of thinking

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that you know that

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they have to say well being or improves

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their immune system despite of taking

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supply does the vitamins but as this case

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so that it's quite easy for

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overdo it and another thing is

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is that manufactures because they aren't regulated

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manufacturers on obligated to

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warn people about the possible risks

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of have some of these vitamins disciplines and

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how they interact with medications the

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dangers of taking too much and

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that's something that doctor jody most

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she's a pharmacists at the university

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of queensland that something that she said

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has to change

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how will be calling for anything

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with a slice nice to that potential

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it says it will soon as i can

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the choice i know some if

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your face and i phone so it's

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because the game most consistent

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with bargains a specialized cells

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his pocket i felt that the

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jeremy

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try to see the pharmacist at the university queensland

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talkin about people just

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much self dicing it's

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a vitamin

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supplements, not benign, definitely

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have effects, definitely can be

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overdosed on so if people are thinking that i might

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want to supplement what

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what should people be doing beforehand definitely

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, to your g p or other

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health professional before he tried

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and yusuf who disagrees we've already got some

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health issues and you're on prescription

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medications i'm in as

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i mentioned earlier this man sort out

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the advice for nutritionist and other

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a lot of really great nutritionists out there a big

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problem is the fact that

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you know on need treatment possession itself

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is you know it's not regulated

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a the pretty much anyone can call themselves

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and nutritionist they say so it's

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best to subtle eg pay

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or another health professional before taking

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any news ottoman or some point okay

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he and also in the uk ah

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gemma has it made you change your mind about any supplements

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the have been taking kinda definitely have a dot

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vitamin i take vitamin d myself

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in a month now rusted some have a look at like

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what level it was on the bottle

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and to thousand international yeah i'm

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doing okay in fear of aden obviously

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and winter months we didn't listen it it's not

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a bad idea his arms his is

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often bottom and day but i'm definitely

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not that much yeah pull back on that

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same i think so much for joining us something

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