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This week on a brand new and

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very final episode of Hello,

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Ross, Rosie O'Donnell

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is here to say, Well, there was one

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story that's kind of embarrassing, but I'll

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tell you. Yep, that's right, gang. We are

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going out with a bang. Let's do

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this.

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Do up. Do up. Do up. Do up. Do

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up. Do up. Do up. Do up. Do up.

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Do up. Do up. Do up. Hello and welcome

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to the program. Coming up, Rosie

0:40

O'Donnell is going to be here and it's so appropriate

0:42

that she's going to be our final guest because, you

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know, we just have this cosmic relationship.

0:48

I'll get into that and in a little bit. I

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love her so much and I cannot

0:51

wait to talk to her. But first I want to talk

0:53

to you. This is it. This is the final

0:55

episode of Hello, Ross. You

0:58

know, I started this in

1:00

September. I wanted to go like on just a little journey.

1:04

I knew it wouldn't be forever, but I just wanted to sort

1:06

of like do

1:08

this thing where it was just me and a mic and you

1:11

and interesting people that

1:13

pops by, you know, from time to time, but we had

1:15

such great guests, you know, and I think really

1:18

valuable conversations. I loved talking

1:21

with them and then I loved when we opened it up,

1:23

you know, when honestly booking

1:25

guests became just too challenging and too time consuming

1:28

and their schedule and my schedule and everything

1:30

and we started

1:32

opening up and I loved getting the chance

1:34

to talk to you all. That's not going to stop. I'm

1:36

going to keep doing that on all my

1:39

social media and Hello, Ross across the board. But

1:41

I, you know, with the Drew Barrymore show, which

1:43

is just really taken off you guys, you

1:45

know, we are just ending season three and season

1:47

four starts in the fall and you

1:49

know, it feels so great that the show is

1:51

being

1:52

embraced like it is now and then I'm

1:55

going on tour this summer in

1:57

addition to shooting the you know, the other

1:59

big show that I'm I'm on, that we always

2:01

shoot in the summer, Drag Race. I am going

2:04

on tour across the country,

2:06

my tour, I got you girl, I'm

2:08

going to 16 cities, made

2:11

you in July and then, you know,

2:13

it'll be this ongoing thing where while

2:15

I'm shooting

2:16

the Drew Barrymore show, some weekends

2:18

all, you know, pop to, you know, the

2:21

theater or casino in Florida or Texas

2:23

or Ohio or whatever, you know, I'll

2:26

be all around and at a certain point, you know, I

2:28

just had to decide that

2:31

some things had to go. So

2:33

I could focus on other things,

2:35

you know, you got to pick sometimes and,

2:39

you know, I'm never afraid to try something new. I'm

2:41

never afraid to dip

2:43

my toe in a pool and say, oh, that feels

2:45

good. Or, and then, oh, what's over there? What's

2:47

that pool? So just thank you. I

2:50

want to thank you for

2:52

coming along on the journey. Lots more for you

2:54

and I. We're just getting started together.

2:57

So thank you for trying this on, you know,

2:59

it's like you're in the mall and you're like, that's cute. Should

3:01

I get down? No, I don't know. I don't know. So

3:04

thank you for trying this on with me.

3:06

All right. And I have more specific thank

3:08

yous. I'll be given at the end of the episode. But

3:11

first I want to tell you about Rosie

3:13

O'Donnell. I remember watching her

3:16

when I was a kid, I would race home. I

3:18

mean, I was like a teenager, you know, late nineties.

3:21

And you need to understand if

3:24

you are young or you live under a rock

3:26

that her show was it. It.

3:29

I mean, like she was beating Oprah in the ratings.

3:32

She was beating Oprah at the Emmys. You

3:34

know, she was it. She was what

3:37

everyone was talking about. She was live every

3:39

day. And I remember I would watch like

3:42

Ally McBeal. And then the next day she

3:44

would be talking about how she watched Ally McBeal. And I'm

3:46

like, we live in the same world.

3:49

And of course I knew we did, but as

3:52

much as she was like part of the show business

3:54

of it all, even though I was just

3:56

another farm town in Washington state and she was in

3:58

New York city. I knew that

4:00

I would know her. I

4:04

knew it like I knew the sun

4:06

would come up. I knew it.

4:09

And I also knew one day I would be doing what

4:11

she was doing. I knew it. Fast

4:18

forward 10 years, I guess, from that point. And

4:21

I'm on The Tonight Show and she

4:24

reaches out. She had seen me. We,

4:27

of course, became friends. It

4:30

took a while, I have to be honest with you, before

4:33

I forgot that it was Rosie O'Donnell and

4:35

just became her friend. You know, I had

4:37

to grow up into a man and

4:40

also understand that

4:42

celebrities were human beings too. It's a weird

4:44

thing. It's a weird thing, but it has shifted

4:46

in my head. Believe it or not, there are times that I'm like, oh my God,

4:49

but it has mostly, it's shifted that it's just

4:51

my friend Rosie. The

4:53

person who facetimes

4:54

me when times are good and times are tough

4:58

and who I know

4:59

that I can really rely on

5:02

to be a friend, you know? And in

5:05

a small, steamy, tiny, tiny

5:07

little way, like a peer. But

5:09

I mean, like, not really. What

5:14

I mean by that is like, you know, she watches

5:16

and she'll say, hey, that was good. Do I see

5:19

what you're doing? How you turn when the camera,

5:21

when you toss to break and the camera goes, I

5:23

see that you know where the camera is.

5:25

She knows she's the best, you know? And so

5:27

when she gives me a compliment, I'm like, I must be doing

5:30

something okay. I must be doing something

5:32

right. I value her opinion so

5:34

much. And

5:38

I want it, you know, she has

5:39

a brand new podcast called Onward. And

5:42

I couldn't end our show without having

5:44

her on because I always dreamt about

5:46

sitting with her on the set

5:48

of the Rosie O'Donnell show. That never happened. So

5:53

this can happen though. She

5:55

can zoom in from her beautiful

5:57

home in Malibu with the ocean behind

5:59

her. She can zoom in and be my final

6:02

guest here, our final guest

6:04

here on Hello Ross. So

6:06

when we come back, I get to talk, oh, and God,

6:08

I just got to tell you, we recorded this

6:11

interview a couple of days ago and I, oh

6:13

my God, I'm so mortified.

6:15

We picked a time to

6:16

do it and then I got on the train

6:18

to come into the city. We

6:20

have a house on Long Island and the apartment here, and

6:23

the trains were late.

6:24

And then I had to get an Uber from the station and the traffic

6:26

was terrible and I was running late and

6:28

she was so fine with it. She's like, doll, take

6:30

your time. Don't worry, I've got nothing to do. I

6:32

was literally having diarrhea.

6:35

Okay, it was like someone, is

6:37

there an Uber diaper? Because I need it.

6:40

And someone just bring me a diaper wherever

6:42

I am because I will order a couple

6:44

of those. I was losing my mind. Rosie

6:47

O'Donnell agreed to do my podcast and I'm making her wait,

6:49

you guys, and it wasn't like five minutes. It

6:52

was a nightmare. But of course she was perfect

6:54

about it. As you will hear, when

6:56

you join me, mid panic attack

6:58

and 29 minutes late to

7:00

talk to the incredible, the

7:03

iconic, the generous,

7:05

the kind,

7:06

the brilliant, my

7:09

brilliant friend, Rosie O'Donnell.

7:12

She's here after the break to say

7:14

hello, Ross.

7:16

I'm Ross. Sports

7:26

news from the fans view. The Rich

7:28

Eisen Show podcast, dealing with

7:31

the serious. Rob Manford, baseball commissioner.

7:33

Why do you think that the pitch clock will

7:35

be one that fans want to see the

7:37

most? I think it's the game, the single

7:40

biggest issue that fans have is

7:42

delays, lack of action in the game.

7:45

With the pitch clock that I'm concerned about as a game

7:47

is going to end on a pitch clock violation.

7:50

And the not so serious. By the way,

7:52

I love the new spots. You know, we were thinking of

7:54

airing some of these spots

7:55

on this program, but my crew

7:57

is pushing back saying we don't have the rights. in

8:00

writing will get it for you in writing you want to show the

8:02

spots rich we're good i heard them say rich

8:04

use whatever you want you want to take

8:06

advantage of my relationship with the

8:08

commissioner major league baseball how dare you the rich

8:11

isen show

8:11

podcast wherever you listen

8:30

bad

8:33

i will say this i don't

8:35

recommend to everybody to ask

8:37

somebody who you um just

8:40

idolize to do you a favor and then be 15

8:43

20 minutes late and that's what 29 20 rosie o' donnell hello

8:46

hi honey and it's

8:49

fine i had no plans for the day until

8:51

three o'clock so we're good we're good okay

8:53

in my defense i wasn't late the train was late and then

8:55

i got here and the the computer wasn't but

8:58

unacceptable i was thinking about you know

9:00

i would watch you have like um like bet

9:02

midler and can you imagine being like bet midler can

9:04

you come on and then being like hey bet you mind

9:06

just hanging out 30 minutes yeah yeah

9:08

that was hard i'm

9:10

sorry i know it's hard to do that's

9:12

okay honey i'm fine i've

9:14

done it before i remember one time we

9:16

had a guest up at the radio

9:18

house and something happened and we couldn't

9:20

film it and i don't remember and it

9:23

was susie esman and i felt so bad and

9:25

i love susie yes i do too she's so

9:27

great and it just was a big fuck up on my

9:29

part but well thank you it happens it happens

9:32

it does and it's worth i hope it's worth the way because

9:34

i'm so happy to see you and when i started this show

9:36

when i thought about who i wanted to have on i mean you're the number

9:39

one you're it for me oh well here

9:41

i am honey you just call me i'll do it and

9:43

you are you're doing uh onward

9:45

your podcast i am so into

9:47

it rosie you know are you really i really

9:50

am yeah we talked before you

9:52

started it because i know you wanted to get in this podcast

9:54

world so what do you what you're like what four three episodes

9:57

in four episodes in now i think i think

9:59

we dropped our fifth one, Brooke Shields

10:01

tomorrow. Ooh. Yeah. So we

10:04

had Sharon Glass. Yes. I love

10:06

that interview. Did you? I'm so

10:08

happy. Well, because I love Sharon Glass and

10:10

I love to. We had so much fun on

10:12

the cruise, you, me and her. Yeah. I love

10:14

her. And I love the story she

10:16

told about starting this business and

10:18

how there was like something that

10:20

just she innately knew, you

10:22

know, that it would happen for her. Did you feel

10:24

that? Totally. Totally.

10:27

Like no backup plan kind of thing. Never

10:29

had a backup plan. My father would always tell me,

10:31

you know, doll, if this

10:34

doesn't work out, what are you going to do? You need to have

10:36

something to fall back on. And I'm like, I have no plans

10:38

on falling back, dad.

10:39

No plans whatsoever.

10:42

I didn't want to have something to fall back

10:44

on because I knew how difficult

10:46

this career choice was,

10:49

even at the tender age of, you know, eight.

10:52

Is that when it was for you? That's when you knew. You

10:54

know, I pretty much knew in kindergarten,

10:56

like other people would bring in toys

10:59

for show and tell. And I'd say, I

11:01

like to sing. I'm going to wash that man right

11:04

out of my hair from Oklahoma. And, you

11:06

know, whatever. And I would perform

11:09

and I did all the plays in school.

11:11

And,

11:12

you know, we were lucky because in

11:14

the year that

11:15

the school was built and

11:17

in the early 70s, in the late 60s,

11:20

there were so many kids, you know, around.

11:23

And there were

11:24

so many young teachers that it was

11:26

their first teaching job. And

11:28

they were very excited about being teachers. So

11:31

every grade almost had a school play.

11:34

And it was so wonderful as a kid to be

11:36

able to get on a stage

11:39

and do that when I knew it

11:41

was what I wanted to do always. Yeah,

11:43

I really think that I had a little bit

11:45

of that, too, growing up before they cut like all the arts,

11:47

not to be all Mr. Holland's opus about it, but they did cut

11:50

all the art of the arts everywhere. But I remember,

11:52

you know, putting on a play in like fourth and

11:54

fifth grade and being like, oh, like the

11:57

instant gratification of like the

11:59

audience

11:59

You know, you put in the work and then you get the

12:02

praise. Like, that was a very easy problem,

12:04

math problem for me to do. Totally. And

12:07

you found your people. Yeah.

12:09

Oh, yeah. You found your people in the

12:11

theater world. For me, I mean, it was right

12:14

away, I was like, I fit in with all these

12:16

people. They love what I love. They

12:18

have a worldview about music

12:20

and theater and dancing and costumes

12:23

and showbiz like I do, you know? And

12:27

I find with Dakota now, my daughter, who's 10, who's

12:29

on the spectrum, all she's

12:32

craving

12:33

is to find that tribe, you know? I

12:35

know. Don't you think about people that don't find it? You

12:37

know, even like the people who you say you knew

12:39

when you were a kid sharing glass, I knew when I

12:41

was seven or eight watching, like, but there's people

12:43

that know and don't get there. You

12:46

know, what must that feel like to always do? Well,

12:49

I wonder, Ross, I wonder,

12:52

do they know? Did they really

12:55

know? Because you have to have such

12:57

a certainty that no matter what

12:59

anyone tells you,

13:01

your first thought in your mind is, well,

13:03

they're wrong because this is what's going on.

13:05

Like, my teachers would sometimes say, you're too

13:07

tough. The producers of

13:09

Star Search told me I was too

13:12

gay, even though they didn't use that word, you know, I

13:14

was too New York and too tough and

13:18

wise kraken or something. You know, they used all

13:20

different

13:20

kind of words back in 1984 when I

13:22

was 22 and

13:24

on Star Search, but

13:27

I never believed them. Yeah.

13:28

You have to be delusional like that a little bit, don't

13:30

you? Is it? Yeah. Is

13:33

it delusion? I guess it's not delusion. It may be the only

13:35

one that believes it. To me, it's

13:37

certainty. I had a certainty. Better

13:39

word.

13:40

Yeah. And no one can really talk me out

13:42

of it. And sometimes young kids would

13:44

come up to me and say when I was on my show, Hey,

13:47

Rosie, what's your advice for me? I'm

13:49

a young actor and a young standup. And

13:51

I say, I think you should quit.

13:54

And some of them go, really? I go, it's so hard.

13:56

It's like endless rejection. And I think

13:58

you should quit. And they're like, well, You

14:00

really do because I was going to go to get

14:02

my master's degree and stental work

14:05

or something, you know, and then I go, look, I saved

14:07

you a life of misery. If I

14:09

can convince you in one sentence that

14:11

you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do this. So

14:15

people told you not to do it. Like the Star Search

14:17

people, school teachers, was

14:19

there anyone? No, no, teachers, teachers were

14:21

wonderful to me. They were good.

14:23

Oh my God. The teachers in school,

14:25

the public school teachers saved my

14:27

life, literally. There's one teacher in particular

14:30

you talk about all the time. Yeah. Pat Maribel.

14:33

She was my seventh grade math teacher

14:35

and

14:36

amazing woman. She was 27 and

14:39

I was, you know, a seventh grader and it was

14:41

her first time being a teacher and

14:43

my mom had died and

14:45

I ran away from school and she

14:48

was, you know, got involved in

14:50

what happened to that girl who ran away and no

14:53

one could find her. I hid in the woods. Was

14:55

a horrible situation in the woods. Really?

14:57

I hid

14:58

in the woods and then I went to my neighbor's

15:00

house and my neighbor's house was locked. So I broke

15:03

in there downstairs and I hid

15:05

in their basement

15:05

and then finally they, their

15:08

phone kept ringing. So I ran upstairs and answered

15:10

the phone and it was, you know, my father

15:12

who was driving around with my brother with

15:15

a megaphone saying, Roseanne, come out wherever

15:17

you are, you are not in trouble. What

15:20

were you hiding from?

15:22

Um,

15:24

I, the teacher had said to me, where's your mother?

15:27

And I didn't answer because I didn't know really

15:29

that she was dead. I didn't

15:32

really think she was dead. You know, I,

15:34

and so he said, and it was two years since my

15:36

mother died and half the kids in

15:38

the class were from my elementary school and half

15:41

were not. So some kids knew what was going

15:43

on and some didn't. So he kept saying,

15:45

Roseanne, please,

15:47

what is your mother's phone number? I'm going to call

15:49

your mother

15:50

and I wouldn't answer. And then

15:53

little kids, the kids in the grade kept writing

15:55

notes to each other. He doesn't know her mother's dead.

15:58

And I saw the note and I. Yeah. Yeah,

16:02

I get it.

16:03

And then the greatest thing was we

16:05

had this principal, Rena Bologna.

16:08

I remember her name and- What a name.

16:11

Yeah, Bologna. Yeah, Bologna. Rena

16:13

Bologna. And I

16:15

wouldn't go back to school and my father couldn't make

16:17

me go back to school. And this principal

16:20

of the

16:21

junior high school came

16:23

to my house

16:25

and told me about

16:26

her mother dying when she was very young and

16:30

how she understood. And I was

16:32

so not ready to hear that, you know,

16:34

because I didn't even really get that she

16:36

was really gone yet. I was still,

16:39

you

16:39

know, if I picked up the phone and back in

16:41

those days, remember they would say, hey, is your

16:43

mother home?

16:45

And I would always say she's in the shower and then hang

16:47

up

16:48

because I didn't want to say that she was dead

16:50

or I couldn't, my brain

16:52

wouldn't allow me. You were what? What

16:55

were you, 10 when she passed away? Yeah.

16:57

I remember when my mom passed away, I got luckily, I mean,

17:00

I was 40 years old, but you were one of the first person.

17:02

Still hurts, still hurts, honey. It does

17:04

hurt. You know, it's umbilical. I

17:06

heard someone say that the other day that it's

17:08

umbilical, your mother loses. And

17:10

that to me was like a punch in the, oh God,

17:12

because like it's

17:13

different, you know, and

17:16

maybe it's because women are more nurturing,

17:18

not to be general. Something is different. You

17:20

know, I lost my dad when I was 24 and it was different,

17:22

both hard, but using your mother. And

17:25

I cannot imagine being 10 years

17:27

old and trying to

17:29

articulate to yourself what that is. You

17:32

know, you don't have the tools, barely have the tools. No, and

17:34

it wasn't, it wasn't at a time where there was

17:36

no Oprah on. There was no

17:38

show on grieving and getting

17:41

the dog

17:42

in the pop culture about, you know,

17:44

emotions and how to deal and the ramifications

17:47

of not dealing. Nobody was talking

17:49

about

17:50

mental health, although they did give all

17:52

of us kids tranquilizer.

17:55

We drank. Oh, you're all your brothers and sisters. Yeah,

18:00

after she died, they gave us

18:02

all this little stuff to drink. And,

18:06

you know, that's what they the doctor told

18:08

them to do, I guess. So, you know, I

18:10

don't know. I just remember it was a weird.

18:14

It was a weird kind of crazy, kaleidoscopic

18:18

view of what was happening in my life with loud

18:20

music, and I wasn't really sure

18:22

what was going on. You know, I think about you

18:25

just as I like have been your friend for a while and

18:27

of course, watched you and

18:28

know you. But it is like the the seismic

18:30

event in your life, it feels like to me like that

18:33

was the first completely

18:35

completely. Yeah. Do you think you

18:37

would be I would be a totally different person?

18:40

Mm hmm. If it wasn't for that, I think. I

18:43

think so, too. Really do. Yeah. Do

18:45

you get angry about that ever? I get angry

18:47

sometimes. I'm like,

18:48

this is not fair. It's not fair.

18:50

Yeah, you know, you can go through that. It's

18:52

not fair. But boy, you know, I've

18:54

had tragedy. But boy, have I had tremendous

18:57

grace and luck. And,

18:59

you know, I really I mean, honestly, I had

19:02

a hard childhood and I've

19:04

had like a really unimaginably

19:08

successfully beautiful adult

19:10

life. And and I

19:12

really I think it's

19:15

more than equaled out. I got the

19:17

lion's share of goodness in this in

19:20

this thing. You look back on called your life, you

19:22

know. Yeah. And you're looking back. I know you're

19:24

looking back and you're looking onward. That's sort of why

19:26

you're doing the podcast. Now, I love that

19:28

the

19:28

reason you called it onwards, because this is like the third

19:31

you're thinking is you're doing the math, like the third phase

19:33

of your life. Right. Yeah. You know, it was interesting.

19:36

I was listening to Julia Louise Dreyfus'

19:38

new podcast, which is so great. All

19:40

talking to older women. It's called Wiser

19:42

Than Me. And she had Jane Fonda on

19:45

and I was listening to Jane Fonda. And she

19:47

said the same exact thing. I might have read this

19:49

in Jane Fonda's

19:50

autobiography. And that's where I

19:52

got the idea of three chapters

19:54

in your life. Zero to 30, 30 to 60 and 60 to 90, if you're lucky. Right.

19:59

if you're lucky.

20:01

So I really did feel that when I turned 60

20:04

that I wanted to acknowledge

20:07

the fact that this was a seminal

20:09

year for me and I

20:11

needed to decide with my quality

20:14

time left in my life

20:16

what it is that I want to do and what

20:18

it is that

20:19

means the most to me. And

20:23

you know I'd like to spend those 30 summers

20:26

with my family and my good friends and

20:29

I'd like to

20:31

realistically assess the time we all

20:33

have left and make the best use

20:35

of it that I can. So

20:37

so that's why I chose to do

20:39

a podcast after trying to do a podcast for

20:41

many years

20:41

and never really being able

20:43

to to do it. I why

20:45

not you couldn't correct what you want to do

20:47

the code of

20:48

it all. I never listened to them Ross

20:52

never so I

20:53

said I could do something that I had

20:55

never even really entertained

20:58

for for my own enjoyment you know I mean

21:01

when when I was doing stand-up I had

21:03

watched a million hours of stand-up on

21:05

TV my whole life when I did a variety

21:08

show a talk show it was merv

21:10

it was I have I was marinated

21:12

in that stuff you know obsession has worked for

21:14

me you know my love for Streisand

21:16

my love for for Bet for

21:18

Broadway for Barry Manilow for

21:20

all the things that shaped me into

21:23

into who I

21:23

am and

21:26

I don't know where that question started

21:29

because I'm 61 now. Well you

21:31

know I can know well you're talking about doing the podcast

21:33

to me it was a no-brainer for you because I

21:35

see you as someone I feel like a rosy

21:37

observer I you know I don't know why but I feel I've

21:39

always had such a connection with you you know we kind of

21:42

understand that because you had connection with people you watched

21:44

right. Well listen you for one when I saw

21:46

you on the Tonight Show and I didn't

21:49

always like the tone that Jay took with

21:51

you but I felt like a protective

21:54

older sister or mother you know figure

21:56

in your life and felt like you know

21:58

there's my little gay son and And,

22:00

you know, let's honor and lift him up as much as

22:03

we can. And that's, you

22:05

know, I loved you from the get go,

22:06

honey. I'm not saying. And there's something

22:09

about you, I think that you are, it's

22:11

like such an intent for you to be

22:13

here, such a purpose, like the way you connect

22:15

with people. It's really, it is on your

22:17

show through the lens, but then in real life.

22:20

And then I see you even, like you're always on the

22:22

forefront of technology when you were like,

22:25

even during your show, you were like sort of conversing

22:27

with people on AOL. And then you had a blog and then

22:29

you were like, you know, I'm still barely figuring

22:31

out TikTok, but you were there, you know, you'll get 2 million

22:33

something because you engage

22:35

there. There's something about you that is meant

22:37

to

22:38

engage with people and make connections.

22:41

You find that to be true? So

22:43

true. And it always was. And in a way

22:46

fame took the joys of doing that

22:48

away from me because I used

22:50

to be able to go food shopping and

22:53

make the cashier laugh.

22:55

Or when I would go get a mani-pedi,

22:57

I would spend all my time entertaining

23:00

the woman from Vietnam who I

23:02

felt guilty that I was sitting there asking

23:04

her to do my nails. And we became

23:07

good friends, Kim from Kim Nails. And she

23:09

taught me how to speak

23:09

Vietnamese. And

23:12

I just loved, it was part of my life

23:14

and world and how I am in the world that

23:17

I really loved. And then I got very famous

23:19

and instead of getting to observe

23:21

and interact with

23:22

the world, I became the

23:24

observed.

23:26

And it

23:27

really threw off my whole way

23:29

of being.

23:30

I totally get that. Yeah, I'm never

23:33

your level, but I get that. It's

23:35

almost you start hiding because it's like, I don't want

23:37

any more attention or something that you, do

23:40

you lose that? Well, the balance is off, the balance

23:42

is off. It's really

23:44

severely off. And life

23:46

is a circle and we come back to

23:49

ourselves. And so I love

23:51

doing a

23:52

podcast where I can talk one-on-one

23:54

with people in a non rushed format

23:57

where you can get hopefully a little

23:59

deeper a little more

24:02

honest with your friends and

24:04

the people that you're interviewing. I think

24:09

that

24:10

it's why I was here, what you said, to

24:13

connect with people.

24:15

And it's funny for me, even with all

24:17

the fame that I had and

24:19

still have in some ways, but it's very, very

24:21

changed. But when I would be at

24:23

the height of it

24:24

all and my show was on and I'd

24:26

be at Le Cirque for Rita Wilson's birthday

24:28

party and sitting there with Bruce

24:31

Springsteen at the table and these

24:34

big, heavy Steve Martin and all

24:36

their good friends and Marty Short and I are

24:38

sitting next to each other. And if you ever have

24:41

to be at a party like that, where you feel

24:43

a little bit like, am I welcome here? Do I go

24:45

look at this party? Marty Short is the best

24:47

person to have next to you because he will make fun of

24:50

everyone at the table in

24:52

a voice just loud enough for you to hear

24:54

and

24:54

you will literally pee your pants while you're

24:56

sitting there watching him tell you something.

24:59

But people would come up to me when

25:01

I would be at an event like that and they'd have a

25:03

couple drinks and they would never

25:06

go up to the other people. And I'm not

25:08

saying that I'm their stature in any way, but I'm

25:10

just saying people feel like I'm the easy

25:12

pass lane.

25:13

So they can come right up to

25:15

me and go, Oh my God, is that Bruce Springsteen

25:18

right there? I can probably

25:20

hear you. Now get back to your seat right away.

25:22

Yeah. But they feel

25:25

that there's a way that

25:27

they can access

25:29

that world through me. Not

25:32

like I'm necessarily that world, but

25:34

that's okay because I like it. Yeah,

25:36

but you said something interesting when Sharon Glass

25:39

was on Onward, your podcast,

25:41

which drops me episodes every single week. She was talking about

25:43

how she was invited to this big Hollywood party

25:46

by, I forget who it was, an

25:48

older actor. I forget.

25:49

I know from

25:51

Naked Gun. Wasn't

25:53

it Leslie Nielsen from Naked Gun? No, it was

25:55

somebody else. It'd be like a Colombo or something.

25:59

TV show. Peter Falk or something

26:02

like that. Yeah. She said on a show

26:04

she had never gone to a big Hollywood party. So he invited

26:06

her and she told him she was busy

26:09

because she was so nervous to

26:11

go. She just felt like not being, she wasn't

26:13

part of that. Did you, you

26:15

said too, to her, that

26:18

when you would host the Grammys and things, you wouldn't even

26:20

go to the after party because you felt like you

26:22

had some imposter syndrome. Did you, did

26:24

no one ever tell you that you were Rosie O'Donnell?

26:26

That like you could go?

26:28

Did it not? I knew I could go. I knew

26:30

I could go, but

26:32

I, you know, I also knew, you know,

26:35

I

26:36

waited until I had a stable

26:39

career and a lot of money in order to have children.

26:41

So at 33 I had my kid. And the reason

26:44

I took my talk show is because I

26:46

didn't want to keep going doing movies. Like

26:48

I had done Harriet the spy when Parker

26:50

was alive and I had to get a nanny

26:52

and a babysitter. And it was just a,

26:55

I wanted to be in New

26:56

York where he could be raised with his cousins

26:58

and his family. And

27:02

so

27:04

my first focus was always on

27:07

being a mom, you know? So

27:10

I don't think, oh, I'm Rosie

27:12

O'Donnell. Like it doesn't, and Sharon

27:14

Gless has that too. And you know who else Bette Midler

27:17

doesn't think that particularly of herself either.

27:19

Do you know who, and I'm not comparing myself to you guys, but

27:21

I'm the same. I'm the same. I, I would,

27:24

you should compare yourself. Well, I

27:26

would, I understood when you said it, because

27:28

I, I get like, it's kind

27:30

of fun to go to the zoo, but you don't want to live in the zoo.

27:33

Right. Correct. Correct. Ross. That's exactly

27:35

what a great little metaphor that is. Yeah.

27:39

And, and I,

27:39

I never really, you know, felt comfortable.

27:42

I felt very happy that

27:44

I was getting to hang with or,

27:46

you know, but hosting the Grammys two

27:48

years in a row in the Staples center

27:51

in LA. That's a huge freaking gig.

27:53

It's a lot of stress. And I'd look

27:55

out there and I'd see these like hard, rocky

27:57

kind of metal band guys.

27:59

thinking, oh my God, they still scare me.

28:02

You know, they just like they scared me, mega

28:04

death always scared me. You know, you're the one

28:06

out there with the microphone, you know, in

28:09

charge of it all.

28:10

Right. And it was interesting. And

28:12

then I would be calling Kelly, you know, my spouse

28:15

at the time, I'd be like, how'd that go? Was it

28:17

all right? She'd be like, yeah, it was funny. You know,

28:19

you can't, can't really hear too much. It's

28:21

echoing. Okay, I'll call you at the next commercial.

28:24

What I was doing backstage. Isn't

28:26

it so important to have that whoever

28:28

that is with your friend or your partner or something, like tell

28:30

you the truth. Like it was good. So you believe them when

28:32

they say it was really good. You know

28:34

what I mean? If they're like, well, no, you know, I mean,

28:36

you never really believe yourself

28:40

to be in the league of those

28:42

people that you grew up admiring. I

28:44

don't care who you are. I don't care what

28:47

field you're in. If there's somebody who's

28:49

the best baker

28:49

in the world and you're a baker and

28:52

you get to be in the presence and in the orbit,

28:54

as I call it, of these people for however

28:56

long, you're lifted

28:59

by that, you know, you're lifted, but you

29:01

don't necessarily feel

29:03

like one of them. Do you feel

29:05

like, because I think you're like the best to ever

29:08

do it.

29:08

Do you feel, well, no, I mean, hello,

29:10

I wasn't alone, right? Hello. I

29:13

mean, how many Emmys did you win for that show? There's

29:15

a reason, right? A lot. A lot. So,

29:18

but are you able to receive that? Like in the middle of it,

29:20

could you receive it when you look back on those,

29:22

what was it? Six, seven seasons. Would you

29:25

receive it? Feel it.

29:26

You know, I kind of do now in

29:29

memory, like the clips are being put up on

29:31

YouTube. My nephew's doing that for me, which

29:33

is very sweet. And,

29:36

you know, I really get

29:38

choked up sometimes at some of the things that I've

29:40

forgotten or, you know, my

29:42

son will be sitting next to me and it'll

29:45

be on YouTube. And Blakey will say, Oh

29:47

my God, you know him? Morgan

29:49

Freeman. How

29:51

could you know Morgan? Like he can't

29:53

believe the people that I've met

29:56

and that I know, and sometimes we'll

29:58

be

29:58

out and, and he will meet. like, especially

30:02

rappers, like he'll meet like 50 Cent or,

30:05

and they'll come over and I'll say hi Curtis

30:08

and give him a kiss and talk. And they walk

30:10

around, my kids are like, what the, how

30:12

do you know? And I don't know

30:14

how to explain, honey, I knew everybody

30:17

when I did that job. It was your

30:19

job to know everybody.

30:21

I think about you back then

30:23

a lot, because in some weird way,

30:25

and I think it's one of the reasons

30:29

I was always drawn to it's like some

30:31

connection we have, because you're living out in

30:33

Los Angeles right now. And

30:35

so I now have a house on Long Island, like

30:37

two exits from where you in Comac.

30:39

Not even, that's where

30:42

we went to hang out. Comac didn't have any bars,

30:45

we went to Huntington to hang out. I

30:47

went to

30:48

the Home Goods in Comac yesterday.

30:51

Come on, that was our Home Goods. That is so

30:53

crazy. And so now I do

30:55

the Drew Barrymore show here. Which you're great

30:57

on and she's adorable and authentic and

31:01

I love her. Thank you. I want you to come on because

31:03

that would be full 360. I will come on anytime

31:05

you want. Thank you. I will make

31:07

that happen in season four. But I'm walking, so I take the

31:09

train in from Long Island and then I just bought an apartment

31:11

here on the Upper West Side, right?

31:14

And all I think, it's the

31:16

size of a shoe box. It's really small. But

31:19

I walk around and I take the train and

31:21

I'm like, I'm living, like

31:23

where you grew up.

31:25

And I'm like, I'm walking these streets thinking like,

31:27

God, is this where she lived? And like went into

31:30

the Rosie O'Donnell show where I would

31:32

watch her. Like, can you tell me what a day was

31:34

like back then for you? Like, where did you live?

31:37

Where were you? I lived on 1965 Broadway, which

31:39

is like 65th right

31:42

by Tower Records, above the Tower

31:44

Records. Okay.

31:46

Did you live there?

31:47

You did? Right, I live right

31:49

around there. Okay, so I

31:52

lived there with Kelly and we had

31:54

three children at the time and

31:56

we had a big, very long hallway

31:59

because it was like two.

31:59

apartments had been put together. So it was

32:02

like a runway that the kids love. They

32:04

could run up and down all day.

32:06

And I got up at like six

32:08

in the morning and got to the show,

32:10

uh, by six 30. And

32:13

I would bring a kid or two, put them in the daycare

32:15

and go with my meetings. Uh, the

32:18

daycare was in on our floor,

32:20

part of the, um, but that was by Troy.

32:22

You, you made that happen, right? Yes, I did. Yes.

32:26

Ahead of your time. Well, I had

32:28

to have it cause I didn't, you know, I'd

32:30

know where to bring them and I wanted to see them. So,

32:33

uh, they were there every day, which was

32:34

a huge, huge bonus for me. And

32:36

for the kids that got to be in it,

32:39

it wasn't big enough to take everyone's children, but

32:41

we did have a wonderful daycare set up there.

32:43

And, um, and then we'd

32:46

go

32:46

live at 10, we'd do the meetings, they

32:48

would prepare, the producer would come in and tell

32:50

me, here's the stories I got out of the guest.

32:52

Here's what happened. And remember that her

32:54

mother died. And, um, and

32:57

you haven't seen her since she had a baby.

32:59

It's her second baby. You know, they would prepare

33:01

you and brief you on everything. Brief you

33:03

on everything. And then we'd

33:05

do it live right at 10 till 11. And

33:08

I would perform all the way through

33:10

the commercials, just stand up and talk

33:12

to the audience

33:13

with Joey Cola, our, um,

33:15

warmup guy, who's our warmup guy, Joey

33:17

Cola. He's the best warmup guy there

33:19

is. Best guy there is. Yeah.

33:22

He's there. Do you know on my

33:24

desk on the Drew show, I have a little

33:26

thing with pens and whatnot. And in the that

33:28

little holder is a Koosh ball

33:31

and a Koosh ball launcher from your show

33:33

that he gave me. So every day

33:35

I feel like I have you out there with me. Yeah. Oh,

33:37

that's so sweet. You're great on it. I think that,

33:40

I think it was a big help to have her have someone

33:42

with levity and to sort of help move it along

33:44

a little bit. And you know, she is

33:47

so in her feelings and so in

33:49

her, uh, in the best way

33:52

and the way that you remember her when she was a little

33:54

kid, you know, just sort of out

33:56

there and, and,

33:58

and alive, like a flower child. You

34:00

know, which is her company, right? Flowers? It's

34:02

a flower. Yeah. Flower. Flower beauty,

34:05

flower productions. And because she is

34:07

so, honestly, I got to tell you, she, I didn't

34:09

know her before this. And she's

34:11

exactly that.

34:12

That is not put on. She is so kind.

34:14

At all. And good. And like, you know,

34:17

I've been 22 years now in this business, you know, it

34:19

can be rough sometimes, you know, especially when you're someone

34:21

like me, who's like, who comes

34:23

in sometimes, not everybody likes that. Somebody,

34:25

you know, people keep you in your place, right?

34:28

She doesn't do that. She really

34:30

lifts, lifts you up and like, is

34:32

so authentic. So

34:34

good. You know, it's, it's a real, I

34:38

think that's the most important thing about a show like

34:40

that is to be your authentic self.

34:42

That's your only real job is to

34:45

listen

34:45

and react honestly,

34:47

and be present, you know, have a conversation,

34:50

just sit and talk with some people. But, you

34:52

know, it's hard. It's hard as people age.

34:54

It's hard as people, you know, you

34:56

want to serve up the people that

34:58

you're inviting as best as you can. You

35:00

know, this,

35:01

you do it. And,

35:03

you know, I want it to be

35:05

as great for them as I can make it, you

35:07

know, and make them shine.

35:09

And, but you talk about being yourself, that's the

35:11

key to daytime, right? And so I think so, I

35:14

think so too. And you were so good at

35:16

like sharing, you know, the most

35:18

relatable parts of you, but there was like, you know,

35:20

you couldn't be gay on television back then.

35:22

There weren't people doing it. Was it,

35:25

is your live on TV? I think about it now because I

35:28

don't have to have a screen up, right? If someone

35:30

asks me about my personal life, I talk about my husband. And it's not

35:32

because

35:33

I'm powerful enough to

35:35

do it. It's because people came before me and did it, you

35:37

know, you were, you did it. And so, And

35:39

before me too. Yeah. People came before

35:41

me and did it and kicked down the doors that I walked

35:44

easily through. And, and so, you know,

35:46

as you get to another door, you kick it down

35:48

for the next people. And that's sort

35:51

of how it goes. But how hard was it? What

35:53

was it like always having a little bit

35:55

of guard up, a little bit of, don't say, don't

35:57

say my, don't say Kelly, don't say, you

35:59

know. You know what's so funny is that

36:03

it was never mentioned. Like

36:05

you have to realize that I went and did that show

36:07

and sat down with Warner Brothers and told them I was

36:09

gay. Before they signed on. Yes,

36:12

they were paying me $5 million to do

36:14

a pilot. And I said, I want

36:17

you to know before you spend this money that

36:19

I'm a gay person and I don't imagine that I'm gonna

36:21

come out. I wanna use my power

36:23

to help kids in need. And so

36:26

I don't imagine I'll ever do that but I wanted to tell you

36:28

because I didn't want you to invest all this money and

36:30

feel like I had a secret or something that would

36:33

make me of less value to you as

36:35

a corporation. And this is what in like 95, so

36:37

everybody listening, you have to think about there was nobody

36:40

out. There was no one grace. There was no

36:42

stories were not being told. Correct. And

36:44

no one even asked me in

36:45

an interview in my entire career

36:48

and you know, I started doing standup or

36:50

I was started being on television when I was 22.

36:53

So no one in my career besides Patrick

36:56

Pacheco

36:57

who is the author of the new Cheetah

36:59

Rivera memoir. Interesting. He

37:01

was writing for Helen Gurley Brown

37:04

for Cosmo and we were on the road about

37:06

to open in Greece on Broadway.

37:08

And he asked me if I was dating anyone and I said

37:11

no. And he said, what would the qualifications

37:13

be? I said, all

37:15

commerce can apply or something. And he

37:18

said, could it be a woman or a man? I

37:20

said, could be anyone. Well,

37:23

my publicist, the legendary Lois Smith

37:25

who was Marilyn Monroe's publicist called

37:27

up Helen Gurley Brown herself at

37:29

her own bequest without asking me

37:32

and had that taken out of the piece before

37:36

it even. Yeah. So, I mean, it was

37:39

a different world back then. I didn't

37:41

worry because it wasn't part

37:43

of the culture

37:46

to talk openly about homosexuality

37:49

yet. So your life and your normal

37:51

life, right? Was like you'd go out with your

37:53

partner at the time after you did the show, but there wasn't,

37:56

but then you go on the air. There was never anyone that threatened

37:58

you. Like we're gonna tell. this or nothing?

38:02

Well, there was one story that's kind

38:04

of embarrassing, but I'll tell you my

38:07

first year, first year we were on

38:09

my manager, Bernie Young came into my

38:12

office and said, uh,

38:13

Rosie, did you ever do any, uh,

38:16

film sexually explicit film?

38:18

I said, what are you talking about? He said,

38:20

there's a person who's trying to sell

38:23

a video of you in

38:25

a lesbian dominating

38:27

S and M

38:28

sex film. And I

38:30

got a copy of it and I watched it and

38:33

it looks like you. I

38:35

said, Bernie, what are you out

38:37

of your goddamn mind? Well, the FBI

38:39

was involved because these people were

38:41

trying to sell it. Right. So

38:44

the FBI went and got the copy

38:46

and it met in a van in a hotel

38:48

and it was a whole sting operation.

38:50

And finally, when it was over and

38:52

the people got caught and it wasn't me, I

38:54

put the tape in and I looked, it

38:58

is my doppelganger. I

39:00

literally saw it Ross and went, Oh

39:03

my God. It looked

39:05

exactly like me when I had the like

39:07

David Cassidy long shag. Yeah.

39:09

Like, you know, yeah. Like in the, in

39:11

the eighties or, you know, when I did star

39:14

search, like, yeah. And

39:16

I love that hairdo, by the way, I love that. I think so

39:18

hot. Did it turn

39:21

like, were you, were you any good?

39:23

Well, I didn't watch it all. I was so,

39:25

you know, I mean, listen, it was not my

39:28

thing about, you know, dominatrix

39:30

S and M. It wasn't my, you

39:33

know, my choice to watch, but

39:35

I was so thrown that I thought

39:37

no wonder they tried to sell it. I would have tried

39:39

to sell it if I was down on my luck and

39:41

thought,

39:41

look at, I got Rosie O'Donnell here

39:44

at a motorcycle and some sex toys.

39:46

But it all went, it all went away

39:48

and it never got published that like, you know, never was

39:50

a story in the Inquirer or whatnot. Did you look like

39:52

you in Exit to Eden? Is it very much? Yes, kind

39:55

of like that. Yes, exactly. That's

39:57

what it was

39:57

like right around that time. And yeah. But

40:00

the funniest thing was Bernie, this guy who I knew

40:02

since I was like 20 years old who booked

40:04

me on the road when I was a young comic. He's

40:07

known me my whole life would say

40:08

to me, did you do a porno? And

40:11

I'm like, there's a lot of things you could accuse me

40:14

of, but that is not one of them. Can you imagine

40:16

like even there's some people are filming everything

40:19

all the time. People, you know, celebrities phones getting

40:21

hacked into. They all have a nude picture

40:23

of me does not exist anywhere.

40:26

I can't think of anything more terrifying.

40:29

Yeah, I think that people

40:32

are

40:33

really way too casual about

40:35

that. And I try to talk to my children about

40:37

it all the time and say, be careful because

40:40

somebody you're dating now is not going to have your

40:42

back all the time if you don't end up together necessarily.

40:45

So careful. Just be careful, kids,

40:47

because I can't imagine what it's like for them

40:49

to grow up in a world of spontaneous

40:52

porno with one click. You know, God,

40:55

nightmare. And it's my it's my word that that

40:57

and a rat climbing up my toilet are my worst

40:59

nightmares. You know, I have the snake

41:02

in my toilet nightmare. Terrible.

41:04

Have you there was an article we did on

41:06

the Drew's News. There was someone found a snake

41:08

in their bed, a full size like Cobra

41:11

or whatever in their bed. And then there's a new rat

41:13

czar here in New

41:14

York that I heard about. I heard

41:16

about that. And people are sharing the rat

41:18

horror stories of like rats coming

41:21

up the toilet. I can't sleep

41:23

at night now thinking, yeah, I would put

41:26

a metal grate

41:27

or a screen. I

41:29

would drill it into the toilet

41:31

because I worry about the bathroom part later.

41:34

We'll just worry about it. So they go through the tubes

41:36

and they come up in your bathroom up

41:38

the up the toilet and crawl out.

41:41

And then I'll send you this this

41:43

New York Times article that is the most terrifying

41:45

thing is New Yorkers share their rat stories.

41:48

Well, you know, people don't realize if you don't live

41:50

in New York, if you've never really been there, just how

41:52

much of a problem it is. I mean, there's

41:54

horrible stories about child

41:57

abuse, about mothers in

41:58

poor parts of New York.

41:59

having to put

42:01

cages, laundry mats on top,

42:03

double laundry mats on top of their kids and they're

42:05

sleeping in the crib. So a rat won't bite

42:08

them. Oh my God. Yeah, it's horrifying.

42:10

It really is. Do you miss New York?

42:12

I don't miss the rats. I can tell you that. I

42:15

don't

42:15

see that many rats up here. I'm telling you, but is

42:17

there

42:17

anything about you that misses? Yes, I

42:20

miss my children so much. Blakey just

42:22

left and his fiancee. And I

42:24

miss Parker. I miss Chels. I

42:26

miss Viv. But I'm here

42:29

doing what I did for them when they were little with

42:31

Dakota, which is focusing

42:34

on getting them as stable as they

42:36

can be educationally before they go off

42:38

into the world. And Dakota has autism

42:41

and it's a superpower and it's a wonderfully

42:45

adventurous way

42:48

to live in a family with someone

42:51

who is so tuned

42:53

into other things. I love it.

42:54

I love it. I love being the mother

42:57

of an autistic child and some

42:59

people I know have it much harder, but for me,

43:02

it's been a challenge

43:05

and the biggest joy that I've ever had. Well,

43:07

I think I see you with her and I've seen you

43:09

with your kids. It's that what we talked about, it's that connection,

43:12

that thing. I think

43:14

it's your purpose, Rosie, to connect like that.

43:16

And I see you doing it with her. I also

43:18

see you connecting with nature

43:19

as you've chosen to spend the past few years,

43:22

literally in the Pacific Ocean, pretty

43:25

much in Malibu. It's gorgeous.

43:30

I would love to stay here, but Dakota really

43:32

wants a neighborhood. Now I went and looked

43:35

in Pacific Palisades because that's a neighborhood

43:37

close by. But in a dream world,

43:40

I would be able to retire on the beach

43:42

like I am now. But for right now,

43:44

we got a place in Santa Monica that we're

43:46

renting for a year. And at the end

43:49

of that year, we're going to figure out, okay,

43:51

where is it that we want to go? And

43:53

I can't

43:55

really

43:57

deny her request of wanting to go.

43:59

neighbors and friends in a trampoline in a pool.

44:02

I get it. She's 10 years old, you know, and

44:05

she's constantly wanting to meet other kids who

44:07

are on the spectrum. And she's very,

44:09

very, very attached to a YouTube

44:11

show called BFDI, Battle

44:14

for Dream Island. And they announced

44:16

on

44:16

the weekend, Ross, that they're having an

44:19

experience in New York and

44:21

in Los Angeles and

44:23

June and July, where you get to meet the

44:26

animators from this series that she

44:28

loves. It's three men. I've seen her

44:30

talk about this on your TikTok.

44:32

Oh my God. But yesterday it was as if

44:34

she won the lottery of life. She

44:36

was screaming at the top of her lungs

44:38

and I'm like, we're going. Well, cause

44:41

if they had like a Barbara Streisand convention

44:43

when you were 10, you know, you would have lost your

44:45

mind too. So I hope she gets that. I would have lost my

44:48

mind. She got it. We caught, we, I didn't

44:50

get the VIP thing cause it sold out in 15

44:52

minutes and I was on 20 minutes, but

44:54

I wrote to them because I know them because I

44:56

bought all the merchandise I can for her

44:59

because she won't wear anything else to school.

45:01

She'll

45:02

only wear the animated characters

45:04

from that. And so when I said

45:07

to her, um, we're going, she said, I'm going

45:09

to bring my phone so I can meet friends

45:11

and get their phone number. It's

45:14

so, it's so great,

45:15

Rosie, that you are doing so, so

45:18

well and you're happy and that you're,

45:20

you're where you need to be right now. You

45:22

know, that's why I love listening to your podcast. Cause the

45:24

whole idea of it, the hook, if you will, people

45:27

always know what you, what's the hook, what's the hook?

45:29

The hook is, you know, how

45:31

do we move on? What is next for us?

45:33

You know, knowing what we know now

45:35

armed with this life experience, how

45:37

are we choosing to go onward? And I love

45:40

that conversation. And just as somebody who has

45:42

like observed you from afar and

45:44

up close and is so grateful to

45:46

know you, I just, I can't wait to see what's next for you.

45:48

Well, thank you, honey. And the same with you. I've watched

45:51

you, you know, since your career started

45:53

on the Tonight Show and to see how well you're doing,

45:55

it really makes me happy. And also to

45:57

see what a wonderful man you've grown into,

45:59

Ross.

45:59

really does. You know, your mother I

46:02

know is watching down and she

46:04

was proud of you and loved you so much. And,

46:06

you know, she's still watching honey.

46:08

And I think that that's something that

46:10

is going to carry you along. What a great

46:12

relationship you got to have with her. I

46:15

did. And I think, um, thank you for that. And

46:17

I think yours is watching too, your mom, you

46:19

know, and I, I believe it.

46:21

I really know. Maybe they're hanging out up there playing

46:24

solitaire or can I ask her or something?

46:26

I don't know. I hope so. I

46:28

love you very much. You're a great guy. Don't forget

46:30

it. Thank you. You're the best. And thanks for,

46:32

um, not being, uh, mad.

46:36

For you, I can't be furious. How dare

46:38

you Ross? Your electricity went out.

46:40

Everybody listened to, listen to Onward.

46:42

Everywhere you get your podcasts, Rosie, I'm gonna give you

46:44

the last word. You're gonna say something. It's all you. I was

46:46

gonna say, get me booked on that Drew Barrymore

46:49

show. Come on Ross. I'm on

46:51

it. Season four, you're gonna be there.

46:53

I can't wait to see you again. I love you. Thanks.

46:55

I love you too.

47:03

Well, I hope you loved that conversation

47:06

with Rosie as much as I loved, um, having

47:09

that conversation with Rosie and every conversation

47:11

I leave just sort of better. You

47:14

know, I just, I leave every conversation

47:16

with her

47:16

smarter, wiser, happier than

47:19

I went into it because, um, I still can't

47:21

believe I know her and I just have always

47:23

been drawn to her and that cosmic way.

47:26

So thank you, Rosie. Thank you. Thank you so

47:28

much. Everybody. Please listen to her podcast Onward.

47:30

I think you will love it and any sort

47:33

of void that you'll feel from hell or Ross

47:35

leaving, you will get

47:37

back in spades and triple

47:40

double quadruple, um,

47:43

by listening to her podcast Onward. She is so

47:45

good at what she does. Um,

47:48

a big thank you to everybody who has helped everybody

47:50

at the cumulus Westwood one, um, company

47:54

who has been so kind and so flexible

47:56

with this podcast. I want to think Teresa

47:59

and John.

48:00

Lou,

48:02

the other John, thank

48:04

you so much for, these

48:06

are the people behind the scenes that, you know, sort

48:08

of workshop and help and help

48:10

with the editing and the content and all

48:12

of it. I just want to thank

48:15

you all for,

48:16

you know, you're the best of the best for a reason. So thank you.

48:19

Thank you for being so understanding. A big thank you

48:21

to my husband, Wellington,

48:23

who's the best support system ever

48:25

to my team.

48:27

There's a lot of you that I get to work with

48:29

who are so supportive and kind of mostly.

48:32

Okay. It's about

48:33

you and me.

48:34

Audience. Thank you for showing

48:36

up and listening. Thank you for following

48:38

me on social media. Thank you for watching

48:40

the shows that I'm on. Thank you for

48:43

coming to see me live. I cannot

48:45

wait to get out

48:45

there on the road. I Got You

48:48

Girl starts May 11th. That's my standup

48:50

tour, standup and so much more. I

48:52

do about 45 minutes of standup up there. And then I

48:54

come into the audience. We play games and every show

48:56

is different because of that. I cannot wait. It

48:58

starts May 11th in Huntington and then I'm going

49:01

everywhere

49:01

across the country. Go to my website.

49:04

Hello, Ross.com. See if I'm coming to your

49:06

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49:08

Thank you for going on this journey with me beyond.

49:11

Seriously. Thank you. Thank

49:13

you. Thank you. And,

49:16

um, you know, who knows what's next? All

49:18

I know is that I'll be doing it with you. So

49:20

for the very last time on this podcast,

49:23

bye. Hey,

49:28

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49:31

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