0:31

did not exactly does your dad do for

0:33

a living a grifter

0:36

is too strong a word to that implies

0:40

my dad is very good at working the

0:42

system

0:45

you know he cobbled together a living

0:47

is what he does

0:56

how do you think

0:58

he describes what he does

1:04

researcher in the shadow worlds though

1:11

it sort of admirable but also

1:14

when shit was quick and when you're a good

1:16

it's not as much fun you know

1:24

did your parents split up when when you are pretty

1:26

young right yeah yeah i was

1:29

six years old

1:31

i think it came like a bold

1:33

in the blue from my perspective as a kid

1:35

at that point

1:38

what happened is that to person no

1:41

no no no not at all i

1:43

heard them arguing i was outside

1:45

playing saw my mom's talk

1:48

outside with my dad running

1:50

after hurry i yelling and screaming and

1:52

his bare feet she jumped in a van

1:54

and drove away at a cloud of dust

1:57

the time is cell

1:59

my oh here's another day

2:02

here's another day of crazy sis

2:05

my dad was very

2:08

very good at selling the

2:10

adventure of the life

2:12

on the road and searching for spiritual

2:14

true remember this is the nineteen seventies

2:17

and , that sort of oh sixties

2:19

hayes there were a whole lot of people

2:21

who are spiritually seeking and some of them fell

2:23

into colson some of them fell into relationships

2:27

the hollywood version of this version of leave the

2:29

family for the bad boys see

2:31

what's the family for like the most

2:33

normal life she possibly good

2:36

years later said you

2:38

know i said of wrestled with the effects

2:41

of that you know in therapy

2:43

and in the relationship with my wife and you know all

2:45

of these all the fun stuff

2:48

for years whatever effect

2:50

it had with utterly secrets

2:52

me a legit uttered in terms

2:55

of my conscious like

3:03

my dad never only

3:05

on rare occasions worked a regular

3:07

job he was very good

3:10

at , people to

3:13

finance his adventures and

3:15

my grandfather made a lot

3:17

of money and my dad spend a lot of money

3:20

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3:24

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3:26

until i got into school and

3:28

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3:30

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3:32

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3:34

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3:36

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3:38

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5:45

when i was seven

5:47

years old my parents divorced

5:49

about six or seven months before

5:52

and my dad started dating this

5:54

younger woman named marry my

5:57

dad was dad was serial dater and

5:59

even in the short time i'd met several women

6:01

she was the first one really

6:04

, with me like it was

6:06

if is a big bummer when they broke up

6:08

so i'm seven

6:10

years old my dad doesn't

6:13

drive the we all

6:15

pile in to marry

6:17

station wagon though

6:20

my dad's friend sam

6:22

and mary and me and my dad pile

6:24

into the car because what we're gonna

6:26

do is we're gonna we're gonna go down

6:29

to south georgia is heard this

6:31

ghost story about

6:33

ah this old early

6:35

nineteenth century church and

6:38

we're going out to the island the island

6:40

end up getting on a boat not

6:42

i'm not a ferry boat but my dad times

6:45

this guy into taking us out and

6:47

i remember so clearly

6:49

that like it's a pretty sandy

6:52

beach but it's all filled

6:54

with these nettles and

6:56

they're bugs all over the place i was

6:58

just it seems like this is turning into

7:00

a miserable little kid trips

7:03

and mary god bless her is

7:05

the one who tells me the story of a we're gonna

7:07

go and see this goes said it's gonna be amazing

7:10

and all that i've been hearing these stories

7:12

madison taken me undies serves his eyes

7:15

since before i can remember and i

7:17

have been let down many many

7:20

many a time we travel

7:22

outside or to the church which is sort

7:25

of on the outskirts of

7:27

the main town on saint simon's island adam

7:31

is one of those places where she kicked on you

7:33

know the bride's edges still like

7:35

the air was so said it was

7:37

like miss see without there being a fox

7:39

he didn't see very far in front of you

7:42

and you super around and sure enough

7:44

the church you know comes into the

7:46

line it's

7:49

real dilapidated like it feels like

7:51

a disappointment waiting to happen

7:53

because it's this to laugh at it utterly

7:55

regular looking church we

7:58

we bump on it and why the door

8:00

and the doors change shots like there's no

8:02

way to get and of we travel all the way

8:04

around it and trying to figure

8:06

out what to do with my dad says

8:09

okay what we're going to do now is just

8:11

gonna wait so

8:14

we sit down out the front and

8:16

i teach just nodding off and nodding

8:18

off and nodding off

8:29

but i finally wake back up and

8:31

i'm in mary's laugh mary's sound

8:34

asleep sam is sound asleep

8:36

but my dad sitting there was this

8:38

big smile on his face and he try to gives

8:40

me the high side and looks up at the window

8:43

and , enough deep

8:46

back just out of the line

8:48

of like there is yours

8:50

anything this pale face looking

8:52

right down at us

9:04

and week around that's

9:08

he made his way into a window we

9:11

go inside the church

9:17

my dad started worrying i wonder if the cops

9:19

are kind of comes up the creep up in says

9:21

a little belfry near the top

9:29

there's no one there is no one else in the

9:31

church nobody else is running

9:33

around and they're like nobody's messing with asserting

9:35

things like that but wow

9:37

we're upstairs we're hear something

9:40

moving down the stairs ah

9:46

we follow the sound as anticipating

9:48

that it's gonna be as a rat or

9:50

one of our friends or something like that and

9:53

there's just nothing

9:55

and as

9:58

i walk outs

10:00

mary and samurai up looking for like whether

10:02

how went on i tell what my dad

10:04

and i saw in the window and

10:06

they woke up and they don't see any names

10:09

my dad come saudis like he saw us we

10:11

saw the real thing i'm

10:14

as he finally pile back in the car

10:17

pulling away and as we're

10:19

looking back at it you get that sort of net

10:21

loss of the brakes on his sure

10:23

enough that she is right there's

10:26

just like a first and and since then

10:28

there was nothing in the room that wouldn't say

10:30

that less whatsoever and

10:32

it was just it was this incredibly

10:35

magical moments zip made

10:38

a bunch of these trips that were just

10:40

my dad running around on wild goose chases

10:43

feel super fun because it's this thing

10:45

you kind of it's this shared experience

10:48

that was just saw sort of

10:50

butterfly adrenaline feeling

10:52

that feels a little like scared but it says

10:54

excitement like that top of the roller

10:56

coasters first big hill feeling you know

10:59

i'm sorry but i have i have

11:01

for a second my apologies hold on

11:10

do you think you're more like your mom or more like

11:12

your dad oh definitely

11:14

more like my father for sure my mom

11:17

i don't have a lot of contact with her

11:19

of we don't have a lot

11:21

in common i share a

11:23

lot of interests with my dad i share a lot

11:25

of for the bulls in life with my dad

11:28

you know i grew up on the road with road dad and dad lot

11:30

of that rubbed off he's a writer i'm a writer

11:32

he's interested in vehicles

11:34

didn't a bizarre and skis interested

11:37

in monsters i'm interested in monsters

11:39

so the than twenty rubbed off

11:41

good and bad

11:52

maybe we should go into another with these i'm

11:54

story here i it may

11:57

editor of utomi very beautiful story about swamp

11:59

gas oh

12:01

the okay for nokia the

12:03

us

12:11

we lived in tampa florida i

12:14

would have been about five and

12:17

there were a lot of like small life

12:20

adventures and their i think i

12:22

don't know this i feel like my dad

12:24

and my mom were drifting apart

12:28

i remember going to the beach the beach

12:30

with my mom and my

12:32

dad was always going off and hanging

12:34

out with his group of hippies with

12:40

there was there was a bunch of us though

12:42

activity going on in south

12:44

georgia and south

12:47

east alabama and

12:49

, were going to go up there an

12:52

investigator was pretty young at the time

12:54

like for five years old said

12:56

george fort liquor comes down in

12:58

his new mustang still

13:02

had the new car leather smell and this

13:04

smell and time when mustangs were not super

13:06

cool cars between the muscle car and

13:08

the muscle car was that

13:13

i'm sitting comes any je bio

13:15

the hatchback i pile in the hatchbacks

13:18

and it was just see

13:19

me and my dad

13:22

i think i don't think my mom went along

13:25

and we end up getting on the road and

13:27

george comes up with the idea

13:30

that we see rinse ah canoe

13:32

and go into be okay for gnocchi

13:34

swamp

13:36

we can't remember what it was we were looking

13:38

for i feel like it was

13:40

it was acquitted of some kind

13:42

or something like that

13:44

i can remember though that

13:46

we were rolling through and it was the off

13:49

season so the alligators

13:51

were not yet quite a ways and

13:54

the sulfur smell hadn't really

13:56

started coming out yet says it's still cool

13:58

but you could see

13:59

the alligators sleepy

14:02

, the water as were rolling through

14:07

through as we're going through

14:09

and it's pretty deep into deep

14:12

my dad i remember starts telling

14:14

this starts about

14:17

will was a wisps that would attract

14:20

sailors and people trying to cross bogs

14:22

trying their doom and

14:26

sure enough out in the midst

14:28

we could see that flight my dad says

14:31

c c there it is and

14:33

starts row and like madly toward

14:35

the source of dead like

14:37

that we can see sort of flaring up

14:39

through the trees are oh maybe

14:41

fifty yards away and

14:44

he thought to and i'm like why is it on

14:46

what is it and he likes that's

14:48

the spirit of the okay for notes and

14:50

he just starts cutting this whole

14:53

story about how we're going

14:55

to find the spirit of the lg for

14:57

gnocchi swamp

15:00

the we roll around the corner and we

15:02

see it through the mist exist where

15:05

it just comes out of nowhere so

15:07

it's bubbling up moving skyward

15:10

ingest dissipating added

15:12

, out and you know i i

15:14

this out for a long time that it's swamp gas

15:17

but to my dad is the center

15:19

of the swamp like this is obviously

15:22

the hard to the police and were looking at art

15:24

of the oh keep and okay itself and

15:26

i remember really distinctly that you

15:28

could have gotten the smell of

15:30

sulfur are coming up off the

15:32

water stat that st smell

15:34

of just vegetation decomposing

15:37

in your nose and my

15:39

reflecting over the water as it should have

15:42

dissipated up word and i mean it would

15:44

split fire

15:58

really beautiful

16:01

manatees in the dark really do look like

16:03

ladies swimming through the water

16:05

and swamp gas really does

16:08

feel like you're seeing a ferry through the

16:10

mist

16:11

he how folk stories

16:13

happen

16:15

you know it funny talking through these stories

16:17

i get a big smile on my face cause

16:19

for all his fault boy my dad

16:22

was good at making something

16:24

that could have been just

16:27

have fun camping story in says it's

16:29

really wild experienced maybe

16:32

it's because he's got a need

16:34

to experience the wonders

16:36

right the little the little wonders

16:38

of the world and contextualize them as meaningful

16:43

how would you describe your relationship with your dad

16:45

is it

16:46

the genial is it combative is

16:49

it a friendship what what is it

16:52

we're in all of those spaces are

16:54

at various points over the years i'd

16:56

say right now when congenial you

16:58

know we we email back and forth between

17:00

back and forth it's not as super

17:02

close relationships but

17:05

we like each ask of you know what i'd be like when we

17:07

have similar interests but we

17:09

don't really have a close

17:11

talk about our feelings kind of relationships

17:14

and honestly matters like that's that's

17:16

just sort of not ah as

17:19

you the spy yeah

17:21

i'd say were excellent a pretty good place

17:23

and beyond the arc of life people

17:26

were years me to talk to each other and that sort

17:28

of thing now we're in canada and nice

17:30

even see

17:33

the you make horror movies for a living i

17:35

guess why do you do

17:37

fearing someone the

17:40

and and feeling scared is

17:42

such a visceral immediate

17:44

reaction hearing an audience

17:46

gasp edit scare it's

17:49

powerful

17:51

in interest of time let's go into

17:53

this last piece here about the bad very

17:55

does area yet than i think being

17:57

called a day right on it

18:04

though it is nice

18:06

jeans seventy eight

18:09

in tucson arizona my

18:12

dad has moved to tucson

18:14

from and tampa florida are

18:17

ostensibly because he wants

18:19

to see all the bags he wants to go to rise

18:21

well he wants to go to area fifty one

18:24

and we did all of those things on

18:26

the way the do thought moving

18:29

in a big van with a trailer

18:31

on the back of it we we went to all of these

18:33

places we got sued away from

18:35

area fifty one then we

18:37

got to science and my dad

18:40

decided that he is

18:42

going to open a new age

18:44

bookstore come out to us

18:46

all birds lots of occult staff lot

18:48

said that sorta thing in this

18:50

little strip mall and tucson arizona

18:53

on the outskirts of town in the

18:55

shadow of the catalina mountain range

18:58

are which is this beautiful range of

19:00

mountains we saw out

19:02

the back door of are two bedroom city

19:05

garden apartment that of course we released

19:07

right away

19:15

anyway this bookstore turns

19:17

out does from reality reasonably

19:20

well like people come in and and

19:22

my dad ends up making friends

19:24

with a group of outlaw

19:27

bikers that's literally the name

19:29

of their gang and they are with just

19:31

you know these sons of anarchy

19:34

looking guys and including

19:36

like some of these guys are pretty clearly white

19:38

supremacists like they've got fucking nazi

19:40

tattoos and shit like that but

19:42

my dad who is ps

19:44

at this point like at two hundred eighty

19:46

pounds five foot eight

19:49

very ethnic looking jewish dude

19:51

rights he manages

19:53

when you know his story telling

19:55

and everything to get super tight with these guys

19:58

especially this dude name hi

20:00

who i believe was a weed and possibly

20:03

other things slinger decent

20:05

guitar player and super

20:07

not for us those we

20:10

would go out into the desert some night

20:12

and watch shooting stars i remember one

20:15

night my dad pointed up in there

20:17

was one that i don't know what the give

20:19

ago composition wise i used to know these

20:21

things but is it came down

20:23

the trail behind it was green

20:25

as a came through the atmosphere like this was

20:27

the place if you wanted to go out to look

20:29

at the sky the one

20:31

time we decide we're going

20:34

to go these are in the days shortly after

20:36

that three mile island nuclear disaster

20:39

my dad moss my

20:41

mom and another

20:43

dude whose name i can't remember all

20:45

gonna go up to this anti nuke

20:47

protest outside phoenix arizona

20:50

then , gonna veered go over

20:52

to moto lake this

20:55

super highly salah needed lived

20:57

in california california

20:59

had seen several you have those savings over

21:02

savings over we go

21:04

to so nuclear protests a

21:08

couple of guys in suits are there and

21:11

in dad gets a whole

21:13

idea is that these are not

21:16

just as cia agents

21:18

writing not all the license plate he

21:20

did his story the they are specific

21:22

we hear of look as moss

21:25

my dad and me because they know we're

21:27

on to the truth searching out

21:29

these you have both sides it

21:32

was very exciting and not

21:34

at all budget

21:38

the end up getting into

21:40

the van leaving the

21:42

nuclear protest go to mana lake

21:45

which really is this saw like

21:47

it's like it's like if is

21:49

the moon had water that's what it looks like it's

21:51

all grace you can taste

21:54

the salt in your mouth on the air it

21:56

so brackish

22:00

and it really is it looks like

22:02

this lunar crater surrounded

22:05

by ray mountain

22:07

looking structures are

22:09

and there's just virtually no one there

22:11

and the surface of the lake is almost

22:14

black

22:17

how i keep remembering is my dad was

22:19

a big fan of the peter sellars

22:21

movie oh what was the call

22:24

it's not a board that the into the into the movie peter

22:26

sellars walks on water at the

22:28

at the end of the film and my

22:30

dad said twelve assault is so high

22:33

and this lady the you'll be able to walk

22:35

on water not a brief the punch line

22:37

for this story that i successfully did

22:39

that that would be fucking fantastic

22:43

that instead we ended

22:45

up stopping it's just like this little

22:48

roadside burrito place

22:50

well

22:53

turns out he's was

22:55

a terrible terrible mistake because

22:57

on the way out to the lake to observe

23:00

the u s those all three

23:02

of the grown up end ,

23:04

getting this horrible horrible

23:06

fucking stomach bug ah

23:09

my dad and his buddies

23:11

or citizen dogs there

23:14

were message to be had their words ever

23:16

people go in our beside the highway know that

23:18

we kinda getting few the low

23:21

low i walk out and i'm just gonna look

23:24

at the leg kick off my flip

23:26

flops head out onto the water

23:28

i do not in fact walk on water

23:31

that would i you see

23:33

his lights out over the water

23:37

any sort of misty and i fuckin

23:40

i'm like oh wow it's like

23:42

the independent my dad's been looking for

23:44

all the

23:51

i go home

23:54

and as back to the parking lot back to

23:56

the fans were all of them are sick

23:59

sick is all good

23:59

and i'm like all

24:02

, our senior senior

24:04

he's and rags

24:07

himself out of the ban in

24:09

the distance in that moment in thought

24:12

for one brief shining moment that shining was

24:14

going to show my dad as you have

24:20

go out there

24:23

and it turns out it is a

24:26

fire department helicopter ah

24:29

, sued of a helicopter and he went back

24:31

to the porta potties committees

24:35

is

24:40

but even there even in like that

24:42

the as sick as a dog with a fever

24:45

and food poisoning in the whole nine yards

24:48

when i said it with the real thing became

24:50

right

24:54

will be mad at you for dragging him out there no

24:58

i don't think so think agree i think it was

25:00

more will get him on the next minute as

25:09

the do rebels a teenager

25:12

i think my greatest act of

25:14

rebellion is my wife and i heard some it up on

25:16

thirty years together like the

25:18

, side of my life is

25:21

the rebellion side of because

25:23

my favorite thing is that they're

25:25

sitting at home and writing things and making

25:27

them up and not having to leave the house like

25:30

like is my dad i feel like as he's traveled

25:33

last just you know with with age

25:35

you know he's in his seventies and all of that like

25:37

he feels it all the time he's always

25:40

had the wanderlust and i guess the difference

25:42

is the rebellion and the rebellion is

25:45

i like spin village spin

25:47

, stability a lot

25:50

do you have any sense of why why

25:52

give your dad so much energy

25:55

even in seventy

25:56

i see c

25:59

has

26:00

that oh we've we were talking

26:02

a little while back about the

26:05

that since coming out of the

26:07

sixties and into the nineteen seventies

26:09

have , many people having this since

26:12

and spiritual questing is

26:14

to things happen in times of great social

26:16

discord one of one of them is you

26:18

fo sightings sightings be other

26:20

is spiritual seekers

26:23

and in my dad's case you know it's not enough

26:25

i think that's fundamental human

26:28

west further what came before us and

26:30

what's going after us and our the

26:32

are we alone in the universe and all that

26:35

is , compelling

26:37

to have it is to me too i just write

26:39

up you know i made up stories about i'm

26:41

like that's that's my solution to the problem

26:45

you you grew up in this household where

26:47

there was a different understanding of reality

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then with a mainstream on is that

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that fair to share that is very

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quite fair to say yes the end you

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know if like like it or not

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the how did we have affect

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how we see the world as adults and

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you know a bit about the process you've had of

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the coming to your own conclusions about

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what is real and what is imagined

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and i'm curious about what your thought processes

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when you're trying to evaluate the fullness

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vs stories

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i am a naturally

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suspicious and

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skeptical person you , going

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on these these various trips

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and see my dad with all the various

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various and i see this was mostly

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with effects in the eyeballs and weirdos

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and conspiracy theorists conspiracy

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bikers and all of it that he that he

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hung around with as around kid i

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have heard a certain joy

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in a well told story but

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it does make me accepts

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in lead dubious when

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me accepts looking at u f o coverage or when i'm

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looking at at a ghost story

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or that sort of fence and i do like i

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said i write fiction versions of those

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things for a living by

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, in them comes pretty hard

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because because my dad

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went into every single wanting

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it to be real and

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didn't find much so

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i guess where i come down though is

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it's like the the poster mother

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has and be x files rights be

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want to believe

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right i find it really really difficult

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to do so

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out green field as a writer for tv

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and home the written the movies

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ten point oh earthquake the sand

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and a cookie monster for

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you to be the head writer of ww

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ii smackdown

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alex is currently working on several horror movies

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based in jewish mythology he

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told me i would love to do for jewish mythology

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what films like the grudge in the ring did

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for japanese mythology it's

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a whole fascinating world that's largely unexplored

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alex his dad is alan each greenfield

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allen is the author of the secrets i for

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of the you finance the story of

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the hermetic brotherhood of light seeker

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ritual of the men in black and other

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bucks you

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