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2:35

Laurie Valo or Laurie Daybells,

2:38

she's been known in more recent times,

2:40

was born Laurie Marine Cox.

2:42

On June twenty six nineteen seventy three.

2:45

Spent informative years in San Bernardino, California.

2:48

He was brought up in the LDS Church,

2:51

along with their four siblings. Adam, Alex,

2:53

and Summer. Her mother,

2:55

Janice Cox, said I raised all her

2:57

kids in the LDS Church, and Lori

3:00

always loved the scriptures. She

3:02

took to it right away. Her

3:04

father said when she was eight.

3:07

He was trying to educate her and

3:09

he started crying because she thought he was

3:11

spiritual giant. Her

3:15

childhood friend, Bernadette, Florez

3:17

Lopez, went to school with Lori at

3:19

Eisenhower High School in Rialto, California

3:22

from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen

3:24

ninety one where they were cheerleaders together.

3:27

Brands from her early life recall her as a popular,

3:29

sweet, rather spoiled girl

3:31

who excelled academically because

3:33

of her mother's criticism of her appearance,

3:35

She was very focused on her looks and was

3:38

interested in cosmetology. I

3:40

just thought she was just a Barbie doll.

3:42

She was just really, really friendly. Not

3:44

overly friendly, but she was just really

3:46

sweet. I was just so excited

3:49

to get to know her. Since they were

3:51

on the cheer squad together, they spent a lot of

3:53

time at Love's house everybody was

3:55

just so welcoming. Love's Lopez said,

3:57

her brother Adam Cox remembers their childhoods.

4:00

We're simple. He taught her how to shoot

4:02

a basketball and remembered her making

4:04

the cheer squad at ninth grade, even

4:06

her brief marriage to her high school

4:08

sweetheart. That was nothing odd.

4:10

That was nothing alarming or something that you

4:12

would think that How could she go

4:15

off and do these things? Cox

4:17

said. Quick sidebar

4:19

on her parents. So

4:21

you get some insight there. Bear Barrying

4:23

Janice Cox, the parents of

4:26

Lori, Valo Daybells,

4:28

refused to pay their back taxes because

4:30

Berry claimed that federal income taxes

4:32

unlawful. But a judge found

4:34

that the couple owed more than three hundred thousand

4:36

dollars in unpaid taxes. What

4:39

happens when you don't pay your taxes? I

4:41

don't really care what you think. Very

4:43

Cox believes that federal income

4:45

tax is unlawful and the IRS is

4:47

a rogue agency. He and his

4:49

wife have battled the internal revenue service

4:52

four decades. That's how

4:54

you end up accruing more than three hundred

4:56

thousand dollars in back taxes.

4:58

According to court filings, And according to

5:00

the Arizona State VAR records, Berry was

5:02

centered. By a judge in twenty eighteen

5:04

for engaging in the illegal practice

5:06

of law. Barry was sentenced

5:08

to three hundred sixty six days in

5:10

prison for making a false statement

5:13

to the IRS in nineteen ninety nine.

5:16

Weeks after his grandchildren went

5:18

missing. Barry published a book

5:20

in November of twenty nineteen. In

5:22

his book, how the American public

5:25

can dismantle the IRS. He

5:27

claimed that Americans have been illegally and

5:29

deceptively held captive, and in bondage

5:32

by a gang of self police Love's

5:34

who have arrogantly and without conscience

5:37

imposed an evil regimen to do

5:39

whatever they want, whenever they want, and

5:41

whomever they want to the American

5:43

public with impunity. True with

5:45

that statement may be. You still

5:47

have to pay your taxes. And as you

5:49

may guess, if this is the

5:52

male influence in your life

5:54

growing up? Well, your compass

5:56

may be a bit off. Let's go back to Laurie's

5:58

BERSED THREE MARY. IT

6:03

IS CUSTOMARY WHERE MORE 1 TO SERVICE

6:05

MISSIONERIES FOR TWO YEARS AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

6:08

Lori mentioned doing this throughout high school

6:10

and it was widely believed that

6:12

she would do it after graduating. However,

6:15

she got married instead. Nineteen

6:17

years old, Lori Valo married her high

6:19

school sweetheart, Nelson Yates

6:21

in nineteen ninety two. Their marriage

6:23

didn't last however. Little is known

6:26

about why they divorced. She

6:28

then moved to Texas, married

6:30

William, Legolia, when she

6:32

was twenty two and had her first child,

6:35

Colby, in nineteen ninety six, they

6:37

divorced just a few short years

6:39

later, in nineteen ninety eight. Around

6:41

the time of her second divorce, Lori's

6:43

sister Stacy died suddenly

6:46

at thirty one. Her cause

6:48

of death has never been determined.

6:51

After her second marriage ended, she married

6:53

Joseph Ryan in two thousand one.

6:56

They had her daughter Kylie the following

6:58

year. In two thousand four,

7:00

while married to Joe, she was a contestant

7:03

on Wheel of Fortune and won

7:05

seventeen thousand dollars. She

7:07

mentioned her husband, her family, when she was

7:09

on the show saying I have a wonderful

7:11

husband Joseph at home who was watching

7:13

our two beautiful children. At

7:16

saying the air she competed in the miss Texas

7:19

pageant. When asked by the judges,

7:21

what makes you tick? She replied being

7:23

a good mom is buried in forton to me

7:25

and a good wife and a good worker. And

7:27

being all those things is not easy. So I'm

7:29

basically a ticking time bomb. Oh,

7:34

little did she know? Or

7:36

did she? According to her friend, Annie

7:38

Cushing, Lori Love's being in the spotlight,

7:41

Lori definitely likes being the center

7:43

of attention said Cushing. She told

7:45

my brother that God told her she was going

7:47

to be on Wheel of Fortune. Before

7:49

she auditioned. Because that's

7:52

how God works, mysterious ways, letting you

7:54

know what game shows he's expecting

7:56

you to appear on at some point in life. Who

7:58

hasn't had that? However, behind

8:00

the scenes her marriage was in trouble. Joe

8:02

and Lori had a contentious custody

8:04

dispute over their daughter, Kylie, Laurie

8:07

accused Joe of sexually abusing both Kylie

8:09

and Colby. Joe was later exonerated

8:12

of the charges. They divorced in two thousand

8:14

five. Documents released by

8:16

the Chandler Arizona police department accused

8:19

Lori and her brother Alex Cox,

8:21

plotting to kill Joe Ryan the year

8:24

they divorced. The documents

8:26

said Lori frequently posed to do her friends and

8:28

relatives about attempting to kill her third

8:30

husband. And what is thought

8:32

to have been botched murder plan,

8:34

Alex Cox taser Joe in a

8:36

Texas parking lot and friend to kill him.

8:39

He pleaded guilty to an aggravated

8:41

assault charge in the second degree and

8:43

served three months in jail. After spending

8:45

several days in the hospital, Joe

8:47

pulled through the attack. In twenty

8:49

eighteen, he died of a heart

8:51

attack. However, Laurie's brother Adam

8:53

Cox believes his siblings are responsible

8:56

for his death. It's odd that

8:58

Joe or ex husband supposedly died

9:01

of a heart attack when they were desperate

9:03

for money and he left her fifty

9:05

thousand dollars and highly gets

9:07

two thousand. Phoenix police did

9:09

reopen the case and confirmed that Orion died

9:12

of natural causes. The

9:14

relationship between Lori and her OTHER ALEX

9:16

IS A TWISTED ONE. ALEX WORKS

9:18

WIFE TALKED TO THE CHANDLOR ARIZONA

9:21

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A RECORDED THE

9:24

FAMILY IS HAVING CRAZY DINANICS.

9:26

In the call she described their relationship is

9:28

very sexualized. And

9:31

there was a lot of inappropriate touching between

9:33

them. The Chadley Police Department didn't

9:35

release her name with the caller, says

9:37

she married Alex in nineteen ninety two.

9:39

Marriage records show that Alex married

9:41

a woman named Debbie in nineteen ninety

9:44

two. And now for your listening

9:46

enjoyment, the somewhat

9:48

long, very bizarre phone

9:50

call between the Chandler Police Department.

9:53

And Alex's ex wife, grab

9:55

yourself some popcorn because this

9:58

might take a little while.

10:00

Investigations detective Cruz.

10:03

Hi detective Cruz. This is Debbie I'm

10:06

returning your call.

10:07

Oh, yes, ma'am. Thank you for calling back. Sure.

10:10

So

10:12

I'm not really sure. Did you

10:15

provide the chatter police department

10:17

with a tip on specific homicide

10:20

investigation? I did.

10:22

Okay. I I didn't wanna, like,

10:25

lead into what the information was

10:27

or anything like that or even assume that it was

10:29

you because sometimes people

10:32

play games with us online. So Sure.

10:35

So I've

10:37

read the information that you

10:39

provided, and I'm assuming you typed the information

10:41

out?

10:42

I did. Okay. What

10:45

is it that you

10:48

can actually talk to us about

10:50

regarding all of this?

10:53

So I can only share

10:56

the conversation. So I was married

10:58

to Alex many years ago. And

11:01

our marriage ended within

11:03

a year, but we stayed in very

11:05

close contact for several

11:07

years And I spoke

11:10

to Alex last right

11:13

after he had served time

11:15

in jail. For the assault

11:17

on Joseph Ryan. And

11:20

when he was telling me about it,

11:22

now Alex I'm sure you know from your

11:25

investigation was a comedian, and

11:27

he was always joking about things

11:30

in a funny way or trying to be funny.

11:33

And he did tell me he was

11:36

still really, really mad about

11:38

at Joseph Ryan

11:40

because of things with his sister Lori.

11:43

Okay.

11:44

Custody issues. And

11:47

he had told me that Joseph Ryan had

11:52

possibly sexually abused the kids,

11:56

Colby, as well as

11:58

Kylie, But when

12:00

I would ask Alex a lot of questions

12:02

about it and try to dig deeper, then

12:04

it would turn into while we're just trying

12:06

to get custody and He

12:09

would set up around quite a

12:11

bit on whether or not that abuse had actually

12:13

taken place, whether they had any proof

12:15

that had taken place, or if

12:17

they were just playing games to try to help

12:19

his sister get custody. Mhmm.

12:22

But in that conversation, He

12:26

told me that he wanted

12:28

to bait Joseph Ryan into

12:31

a fight so that he could kill him.

12:34

And if I had really, at that time,

12:37

thought he was serious, because

12:39

they said it in a joking way, but it was

12:41

still creepy and weird. Weird

12:44

enough that I never spoke to Alex again.

12:46

That was the last time I ever talked

12:48

to him. I just thought, okay, jail

12:50

has not been kind to

12:51

him. He's off his rock I

12:54

really don't wanna have this guy in my life anymore.

12:57

Oh.

12:57

So I just never spoke to him again.

13:00

That was the last time but

13:03

he had told me he wanted to bathe him into

13:05

a fight so that he could kill him and claim

13:07

self defense.

13:11

Okay. And how

13:13

long after Joe

13:15

hit or how long after Alex had been released

13:18

from serving his time

13:20

that you guys had this talk? I

13:24

think it was probably two,

13:26

three months. Okay.

13:33

I I'm not a hundred percent sure

13:35

on the dates, but I know it was relatively soon

13:38

after just not immediately. Okay.

13:44

Did he ever go into any details of

13:47

what he did to

13:49

Joe or anything like that or

13:51

why he did that?

13:54

Yeah. He told me that he had tased

13:56

him, and he

13:59

told me that the reason he did it

14:01

was because Joe was me making

14:03

it difficult for Lori

14:05

to get custody of the kids. He

14:08

also claimed that he did

14:11

it as punishment for sexually

14:13

abusing the kids, he he said

14:15

he thought Joseph deserved to die.

14:20

Because of the sexual abuse.

14:23

But, really, Alex couldn't provide

14:26

any Well, I didn't feel it because I

14:28

was like, well, are you sure? How do you

14:30

know? Did you take the kids

14:32

to a doctor? I was asked asking

14:34

a lot of questions and he just couldn't be

14:37

straight with the answers.

14:39

But those were his reasons that he stated

14:41

to me that he had teased

14:44

Joe. Okay.

14:46

And did he say that he had tried to kill Joe

14:48

at that time, or was it something

14:51

different? He

14:54

didn't say he was trained to kill him.

14:56

He just wanted to hurt him.

14:59

Okay. But he did tell me

15:02

he wanted to kill him, but I took it

15:04

I took it more of I'm

15:08

gonna I wanna kill that guy, you know, just

15:10

kind of conversational. I didn't think

15:13

he would actually go do something

15:15

like that. Okay.

15:20

I was even shocked that he tased

15:22

him. But

15:24

I didn't even know about the tasing. I heard

15:26

about it from Alex.

15:29

What do you mean you didn't know about the tasing?

15:32

Oh, I'm sorry. I just I Alex

15:35

had kind of fallen off the radar. Mhmm.

15:37

So about we hadn't talked for about

15:39

a year. And

15:43

so I just thought he kind of fell off the radar

15:45

and then we talked and he told

15:48

me where he'd been the last last year and what

15:50

he had done. Okay.

15:55

When did he happen? Not

15:58

married in ninety

16:00

two. So

16:02

then you got divorced in ninety three?

16:06

Yeah.

16:09

Yeah. That you

16:12

know, I don't know that this helps anything with

16:14

the investigation, but as soon as I married

16:16

him. I didn't know his family before we got

16:18

married. We dated. World

16:21

and romance got married. Then I

16:23

got to know the family. And

16:25

there were so many crazy dynamics

16:27

in that family that And

16:31

I've gone back since all of this came

16:33

out and my journals from that period

16:36

of time, and there was just

16:38

a lot of crazy dynamics in

16:40

that family back then. And

16:42

it caused lot of issues shoes right away

16:44

and it actually made

16:47

me scared and nervous. How

16:50

so? And we thought it that Because

16:54

there was a lot of inappropriate so

16:59

a lot of inappropriate sexual touching

17:01

and things going on in the family, particularly

17:04

between him and his sister. So

17:06

between Alex and Lori? And

17:09

Lori.

17:12

Okay. You kinda

17:14

got me at a loss on this one.

17:17

What

17:19

what do you consider inappropriate sexual

17:22

touching? Like, they

17:24

were simulating sex acts

17:26

and which is not normal to me

17:29

for a brother and a sister. For

17:34

example, she

17:38

would pick her up and she'd wrap

17:40

her legs around his

17:42

waist, and he would kind of bounce her

17:44

up and down on himself. Okay.

17:47

In front of me, and they

17:50

would moan and simulate

17:53

sex acts. And

17:56

I have brothers and I would never act

17:58

like that was one of my brothers. Okay.

18:02

And his his mom and

18:04

dad talked about

18:07

their sex life in front of us

18:09

constantly and it just kinda seemed

18:11

to be a game for

18:12

them. Tried

18:14

to calm the bad air. Really object to

18:16

it then? No.

18:19

Not at all. All of this was

18:21

going on in the

18:22

family, in front of everybody, they had

18:24

no shame. Okay.

18:32

So that obviously was

18:34

kind of a an alarm for you,

18:36

I'm assuming, during your your marriage.

18:40

Yeah. And did did it

18:42

continued? Was it more than one time that

18:44

you saw it?

18:47

Yeah. It was it was just about

18:49

every time we were with them. Now,

18:51

Alex and I only Love's together

18:54

married for about four

18:56

or five months. And

18:59

then I just knew that that

19:01

family was too weird that

19:03

I had made a big mistake. And

19:07

so I got out.

19:12

Okay. So at a time,

19:14

were you guys part of LDS? Not

19:19

really. I mean, both of us had

19:21

been baptized, but neither one

19:24

of us were being active. Okay.

19:26

And I was only baptized and active

19:28

for a year of my life anyway. I wasn't

19:30

really raised LDS. Alrighty.

19:36

How did Alex talk about Lori?

19:41

Well, he was a really, really

19:43

protective big brother, but

19:47

he also taught talked about

19:49

her being hot,

19:52

and she sexualized her

19:54

quite a bit. And

19:58

but he was just also

20:00

really, really protective. We

20:05

lived in the same apartment complex for

20:10

a while, and it just kinda seemed like Alex

20:12

just chased after her a

20:13

lot. Did

20:16

you ever suspect anything more going on

20:19

other than their,

20:21

I guess, their playfulness, I guess?

20:25

Well, I asked him because

20:27

he did touch her breasts and things,

20:30

but they were allowed to do that in their family.

20:32

So to him, she didn't

20:34

think it was weird. He thought, I was weird

20:37

for thinking it was weird. And

20:40

So we talked about that stuff

20:42

a

20:43

lot, but I didn't

20:45

think he was sleeping with her.

20:47

Okay. I

20:48

just

20:48

thought he had the liberty to touch her.

20:52

Did you ever confront him on that? Yeah.

20:55

I did. I did

20:58

and I confronted him on what

21:00

about when we have kids? Would

21:02

you allow that between our kids?

21:04

And he just didn't think that there was

21:07

anything wrong with what was going on.

21:10

Okay. So

21:13

we thought about it.

21:16

So you've mentioned that he was a

21:18

protective big brother. Can you talk

21:21

to me a little bit more about that? Well,

21:26

he just

21:31

she had been married. She got married

21:33

really quickly. I think she ran

21:35

off to Las Vegas, and this was

21:37

right before I married Alex. Think

21:40

she ran off to Las Vegas with one of her.

21:43

She married guy and

21:45

then came home and

21:48

Alex would just always talk about how he

21:51

wanted to go kick his ass.

21:53

Was this just No. This was somebody else.

21:56

No. This was someone else. She got married

21:58

when she was, like, eighteen. Oh,

22:00

okay.

22:02

And and they didn't approve

22:04

of her choice, and she did run away in

22:06

a loop. And the minute she got back

22:08

to California, their

22:11

dad, Barry, made her divorce him,

22:14

And so Alex was, like,

22:16

really, really bothered by that.

22:19

But if anybody kinda looked

22:21

at it wrong or treated

22:25

her how he thought was not

22:28

right, then she was always talking about how

22:30

he wanted to kick fast.

22:32

Okay. And did you ever see him take

22:35

steps to that?

22:37

No. I really thought he was all

22:39

talking, no action on that. Okay.

22:43

He always just talked really tough back

22:46

then.

22:48

How old were they when when

22:50

you guys got married and you saw this behavior?

22:54

I was twenty two and Alex

22:56

was twenty four. Okay.

23:00

And I'm unfamiliar with how much

23:02

older Alex was than Lori.

23:06

I'd say three, four years. Three

23:08

to four years. So okay.

23:09

Yeah. She

23:10

was maybe twenty twenty one at

23:12

the time.

23:13

Yeah. Yep. That sounds right. Okay.

23:16

And this where was this at?

23:19

What state?

23:20

Utah. In Utah? Mhmm.

23:24

Laurie yeah. Laurie and Alex

23:26

supposed to live here in Utah. And

23:29

then we just went into California a

23:32

lot. And so a lot

23:34

of the inappropriate behavior that I

23:36

saw, I didn't see any of that in Utah. All

23:38

of the inappropriate behavior I saw was

23:41

in California at their mom and dad's

23:43

house.

23:44

So anytime that you guys went to visit

23:47

the parents, that's when you

23:49

saw this behavior? Yeah.

23:52

Okay. And otherwise, how was

23:54

his behavior the apartments other than,

23:56

I guess, kind of touching her?

24:00

At the apartments,

24:06

I didn't really see them interact too much.

24:08

It seemed like here in Utah, she

24:10

had her friends that she ran

24:12

around

24:13

with, and Alex and I were always

24:15

together.

24:16

And so I didn't see a whole lot of interaction

24:18

just oh, I just remember a lot

24:21

of the conversations about him wanting

24:23

to beat up the guy she was dating. And

24:26

he was always kind of assessed with where

24:28

she was going and what she was

24:30

doing, but we didn't do a lot with her.

24:32

Okay. And is that also during the time

24:34

frame? During that time frame that he

24:36

would refer to her as being

24:38

hot, or would that be only when you were

24:40

missing the family? No.

24:42

That was yeah. During that

24:44

time, he would he would talk about how hot

24:46

she was.

24:47

Okay. And to your knowledge, are they

24:51

biological brother and sister?

24:53

They are. To my knowledge, Okay.

25:02

Did And you never talked to him

25:04

after that last comment where he stated

25:06

he was going to try to bait Joe into a

25:08

fight.

25:10

Yeah. Nope. That was the last time I talked

25:12

to him. Okay.

25:18

And forgive me. Would that would

25:20

have been in two thousand nine?

25:23

Or would that have been a little later?

25:27

No. I think it was two thousand nine

25:29

when I was doing the math.

25:32

Okay. But

25:34

it was It was right after he had just

25:36

been in jail. Okay. And then

25:38

you said, like, a couple months Daybells after he

25:40

got out? Yeah.

25:43

Correct. Okay.

25:48

And at that point, did you ever

25:50

hear Alex being violent to anybody?

25:53

Other than the event with

25:55

Joe?

25:57

No. I hadn't. Like

26:00

I said, I I really thought Alex

26:02

was all talk and no

26:04

action. And so I'd

26:06

never I never thought that could

26:08

happen.

26:10

Okay. Did Alex

26:11

ever was shocked by the tasing. Well,

26:13

I can imagine if you've never seen that type of

26:16

behavior, I I can certainly imagine the

26:20

the shock that could come from that. Did

26:24

Alex ever talk about

26:27

religion with you or any

26:29

ideology that he had? Well,

26:35

he did. Wow.

26:38

While he and I were married, he

26:41

got excommunicated from

26:43

the Mormon church, And

26:46

then over the course of the years of

26:48

our communicating after our divorce,

26:51

I know that he said he got re

26:53

baptized and then he got

26:55

excommunicated again. And

27:00

then I just don't think he ever bothered to to get

27:02

rebaptized, but he was always really,

27:06

really convicted

27:09

in the face. He

27:11

had very strong opinions, but

27:13

where Alex is weak is

27:16

he was just sexually promiscuous And

27:20

so then he just kept getting kicked out of the

27:22

church because I think he was a sex addict.

27:25

So what makes you think he was sexually promiscuous?

27:30

Oh my goodness. Because he told me he

27:32

would tell me he couldn't

27:34

control having he

27:37

couldn't control sex. He

27:39

would just find it wherever he could find

27:41

it. And is this after you

27:43

were divorced? And

27:46

it was before also. I

27:48

was just foolish and thought, oh,

27:50

he's married now. So

27:52

that's gonna be over. But

27:55

we were actually living in when

27:58

we first moved in together, we were living

28:00

in Texas And

28:02

he had told me about his

28:04

struggles with sex addiction before

28:06

we got married. Mhmm. I

28:09

just didn't really under stand what that was

28:11

at twenty two. And so I thought, oh,

28:13

okay. We get married, and it's over. But

28:17

when we were living in Texas, then

28:19

he came I had been wanting to move back to

28:21

Utah because I didn't like living in Texas.

28:24

And he wanted to stay, but then all of a

28:27

and he came home from work one day

28:29

and said, okay, we're moving. Pack up the car.

28:31

Let's go. I didn't

28:33

ask questions because I was excited to Love's.

28:35

So we packed up the car and we

28:37

left, but it was really hurried,

28:39

and we even left some things behind.

28:42

But once we got back to

28:43

Utah, I

28:46

found out that actually

28:49

he had slept with a fifteen year old girl

28:51

while we were living in Texas.

28:55

And her dad

28:57

had found out and so her dad was gonna

28:59

come find him.

29:00

Gotcha. So that's why we might I'm

29:03

gonna take care of this problem on my own type

29:05

of a deal. Yeah.

29:07

So Alex that

29:09

that was why Alex came home and said,

29:13

okay. We're leaving right now. Okay.

29:19

And we were already married at that

29:21

point, but that did play

29:23

into our divorce.

29:25

There was just too much promiscuity Sure.

29:30

Surrounding sex in

29:32

our marriage early on.

29:35

So in Fidelity, then I'm assuming

29:38

with part of the issues? Just

29:41

because I only know about the fifteen

29:43

year old girl. I only know about

29:46

that

29:46

1. And then the

29:48

other sex issues for

29:50

us were really the situation with his sister.

29:56

The situation with his sister with in

29:59

remote Just the hygiene and glad

30:01

that they're touching and the things that we've already

30:04

talked about. Okay.

30:06

It was just so blatant all the

30:08

time when we were around her.

30:11

And it was always scary. He didn't

30:13

he didn't act like that. It was his other

30:15

sister, Summer, because Summer was

30:18

really really young. So and

30:20

he didn't act like that with his older sister

30:22

Stacy.

30:24

He only acted like that was Laurie. Okay.

30:29

Okay. So

30:34

since all of this stuff is obviously been

30:37

hitting the media. Have

30:42

you been contacted by any

30:44

other family members or

30:46

anyone else and

30:49

provided that information with the

30:51

the intent that they wanted you to say this

30:53

or anything like that?

30:55

No. No.

30:57

I've actually really

31:00

really kept a low profile because I don't

31:02

wanna be in the news. I don't want

31:04

my kids spelt a

31:06

responsibility to at least say what

31:08

I heard in that last conversation. And

31:11

it's taken me a while to even

31:14

get to you because

31:16

I didn't I I left a trip

31:18

on Gilbert police,

31:20

and I left a tip at Idaho, and I

31:22

left a tip at the FBI. Mhmm.

31:25

And didn't

31:28

ever hear from 1, and then it

31:30

was just this last week. I realized

31:32

I should have bus trip with

31:34

Chandler. But

31:37

No. I haven't contacted you.

31:43

No. No. I'm

31:46

not even sure that people

31:48

could find our

31:48

divorce, marriage and divorce license,

31:50

because it was just so long ago.

31:52

Where was that? Well, I don't day. We

31:55

got married in Wyoming.

31:59

And was it pretty much

32:03

a a no nothing deal for the

32:05

the divorce? Yeah.

32:08

Okay. Since there

32:09

there are several kids in common

32:12

No. Okay. No. Alright.

32:20

So I'm asking this

32:22

next question because it's

32:25

going to get asked. One way or the other.

32:28

So it it's not to be judgmental

32:30

or anything like that. But

32:33

why come

32:35

forward now this far

32:37

down the road from when the investigation started?

32:42

So like I said, I while

32:44

at first, I couldn't even

32:46

believe it. When I saw it on the news, I

32:48

thought I can't believe this happened.

32:52

And then after

32:55

about a month of that, then I

32:57

did start trying to reach out. I

33:00

I tried all of those agencies I

33:02

told you about it.

33:03

Okay. When did you actually first hear about this?

33:07

December of

33:09

last year. Yes. Okay.

33:13

And that was because of the search

33:15

for the kids and and or the death

33:17

of Alex or or what? No.

33:20

It was the yeah. I was the search

33:22

for the kids. I was watching the news

33:24

one night.

33:25

Okay. And you

33:26

And it came on, and I was just forward.

33:29

Okay. Alright. Give me

33:32

I'm going to just

33:35

let know, we we we record our conversations

33:38

just because the prosecutors want

33:40

that

33:40

done, but I'm going to stop the recording now

33:43

so I can actually ask for your personal information.

33:45

Okay? So I just kinda Okay. Can

33:47

I tell you one thing though? Yeah. Because I don't wanna

33:50

leave anything out? Yes. When

33:52

I first found out very first,

33:55

I did reach out to Alex's sister

33:57

Summer -- Mhmm. -- through Instagram and

34:00

just said, because I heard Alex

34:02

had died. And so

34:05

I reached out to his sister somewhere and I

34:07

said, I'm just so sorry to hear about Alex.

34:10

And her response was, don't believe

34:12

what you're seeing in the news. And

34:14

that was it. There was no other

34:16

contact, but I just don't want

34:18

you to see that when you asked me if

34:20

I'd talk to anyone -- Mhmm. -- I talked

34:22

to summer, but that was that

34:24

was the only exchange, and that's all it said.

34:28

And that was with Instagram?

34:32

Yeah. And that was probably actually

34:34

in December when I first first

34:37

heard that Alex had passed away and

34:41

that there was a problem. At

34:43

that point, I just still couldn't believe that

34:45

actually he could have done something like

34:47

this. Sure. So I was sad

34:49

he died. It is

34:53

It it is one of those things

34:55

that we tend to not see

34:57

in people. And then we have an

34:59

even harder time believing

35:01

it when we hear of it.

35:04

Yeah. It took me a minute to believe

35:06

this was actually happening, but I

35:09

would say and

35:11

I'll be honest, I was scared of being in

35:13

the news because my kids

35:15

don't And I thought,

35:18

well, the police are gonna find everything that they

35:20

need. But I

35:22

just couldn't get past what Alex had said,

35:25

And while he may not have done that plan

35:28

to Joseph, I don't know that he didn't do

35:30

it to Charles. And I just

35:32

couldn't live knowing he had said

35:34

something like that to me and not pass it on.

35:37

And and I appreciate the fact that you

35:39

are reaching out to us to provide

35:41

this information to us. So

35:44

I'm gonna ask you if we have additional questions.

35:47

Is it okay to reach out to you?

35:49

Of course. Okay. Joseph Ryan wasn't

35:51

the only target of Lori and Alex. Your fourth

35:54

husband would be their next target, and it

35:56

would end with his death.

35:59

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