0:02

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What

0:05

is up? How are learning

0:07

is on. It is I, Van Lathan Jr. And

0:10

it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Mike

0:12

Abs has threatened to shoot. Is

0:16

that what we're starting with? What's

0:18

going on? Miss

0:22

begets, miss begets, miss. I

0:26

do feel like people, do you feel like it's

0:28

a fair criticism of cross-section? Just

0:31

let people know what's going on. Mike Abs just

0:33

did a video, like literally. And

0:36

in this video, he's responding

0:38

to Shannon Sharpe starting off

0:40

with the messiness. He's responding to Shannon Sharpe.

0:42

Shannon Sharpe. Mike

0:45

Abs is responding to Shannon Sharpe who's responding

0:47

to Mike Epps. Mike Epps

0:49

had a comedy show where he

0:51

said that Shannon Sharpe had asked him to

0:53

come on Club Shay Shay. And then he

0:55

goes on to make gay jokes about Shannon

0:58

Sharpe. He says that Shannon Sharpe was trying

1:00

to look at Cat Williams' balls. Were

1:03

people laughing? Yeah, I mean.

1:05

It just doesn't sound funny. So that's why I'm asking.

1:08

Well, I mean, he said, so they've been making

1:10

a couple of jokes. By the way, speaking of this, we

1:12

have Demetrius Harmon coming on the show later on to

1:16

talk about masculinity. Yeah. Toxic

1:19

or otherwise. Demetrius

1:21

Harmon is an internet personality, an

1:23

actor, an activist, a clothing

1:25

designer who got into a long conversation because he paints his

1:27

nails. So we're going to be talking about that later on.

1:30

But Shannon Sharpe heard

1:33

Mike Epps say that he was

1:35

a. Was

1:38

basically a wig away

1:40

from being Medea. And

1:42

he's like, Club Shay Shay. See, see what I'm saying?

1:45

Well, that one was funny. It's funny, right? He's like, Club

1:47

Shay Shay. He's like, he's trying to tell you

1:49

he's doing the whole thing. Shannon

1:51

Sharpe came back. See,

1:54

Donnie, play the back and forth. Play

1:56

a little bit of Mike. Yeah, let me hear it because I've heard it.

2:00

I Okay,

2:22

cut off is I fuck

2:24

with Shannon Hard like Shannon

2:26

is the Jenny I see Shannon at the gym

2:29

Shannon is the strongest man I've ever seen got

2:31

a song for the first time in person Gantic,

2:41

bro. I knew he was not even seen as

2:43

fake. He's a Super nice

2:45

man, so I'm not laughing at

2:48

him That was a funny

2:50

line though Jared didn't appreciate it on

2:53

the nightcap show that he has I gotta be honest with

2:55

you guys a lot of this is hate a Lot

2:57

is his hate from people because Shannon Sharpe is

3:01

dominating media In

3:03

a way that I haven't seen anybody in

3:06

a while. He has Club

3:08

Shae Shae then he's got the

3:10

nightcap show then he's on first

3:12

take Sharon Sharpe is having a

3:15

very Singular and specific

3:17

moment that I haven't really seen anybody

3:19

have like this quite like this in

3:21

a while in terms of like Different

3:24

alternate alternative media things that are popping

3:26

shash on black. Yeah, exactly Exactly,

3:29

right? I shan sharp came back and said this

3:31

I'm gonna put this out there Uh-huh, and this

3:33

one I'm gonna fire this shot over your head

3:35

mofo and you will know exactly who I'm talking

3:37

about Yeah, my name mention my name

3:39

again. Yeah, and I'm gonna put the DM's I'm

3:41

gonna put I'm and I don't like doing this

3:44

Yeah, but you're lying see and I don't care

3:46

about all that other stuff You could say I'm

3:48

gay and you could say I don't care about

3:50

that Yeah, I won't chase a lot, but I

3:52

won't let you lie on my name Yeah,

3:54

now you could say all that other stuff I could deal

3:57

with that I

3:59

heard that a Thousand times. Yes, like everybody jumping the

4:01

chat about. Oh, you don't like number white women,

4:03

right? I don't date a lot of different race

4:05

Yeah, hey, listen, you like skills man. You eat

4:07

every color. Come on, talk to me now. I

4:09

don't eat. I only now eat Oh,

4:12

look, yeah, I'll do all these pause

4:14

real quick pause Shit

4:17

sharp don't eat pussy. I guess

4:19

that I guess not how can I be honest with

4:21

you guys? Oh, maybe he means eat ass eat

4:23

ass eat pussy eat the whole thing. My thing

4:27

It's like what I want

4:29

to hear from the guys now I want this

4:31

to be a breakout because Shannon Sharpe said

4:33

this I haven't heard this in a minute a long time This is

4:35

a very 1996 Sort

4:38

of sentiment about that. Yeah, are

4:41

there still guys here rappers like rappers?

4:43

I don't know. There's two guys that

4:45

don't like eat pussy or this is on

4:48

Everybody that's gotta be going that there's not it

4:50

Donnie. What about you? I

4:52

think this is a generational thing I

4:55

think people of Shannon's generation. Maybe not

4:57

he's like holding on to these old

4:59

ideas I feel like believe that but

5:01

Donnie you're you personally though. Oh Me

5:04

personally. Yeah, I am. I'm a giver.

5:07

Yes as well as I as well

5:09

as I and good lovers

5:11

are yeah So I just that's what

5:13

I was interested to hear Shannon say that because

5:16

that's a very 87

5:20

believe it. I don't believe it either. I never believed

5:22

that no, they just said it You said it like

5:24

it's just like I just remember back in the

5:26

day, Abra I was like the first

5:28

guy in my click. They just was like, yeah, you

5:31

know, I It's

5:33

funny and did the floodgates over? Yeah, everybody

5:36

Man, it was it was me and then

5:39

it was Ian Ryan has

5:41

still I could call Ryan,

5:43

right? I should go right now So

5:47

you never We

5:49

never Monday to Thursday like we never

5:51

I've actually never asked Ryan about this

5:53

before Hold on I've actually never

5:55

asked Ryan because it was me and then in

5:58

and then Ryan and then the pussy I had

6:00

anybody tell me I don't do that. It

6:02

was a thing. Well, you're a little bit younger than me. We're

6:04

the same generation. I was the last

6:07

generation of guys who were like, they

6:09

don't do it. Like,

6:11

let's see if Ryan answered the phone. He might, if

6:14

Ryan answers the phone, like

6:16

he's going to call back. It's a possibility that

6:18

he says he doesn't, that he might

6:20

still be keeping it real. Does he know he's on the

6:22

microphone? No, he's not going to know. He's

6:25

not going to know. Like he's a possibility that it's

6:28

a possibility. Ryan calls back. We'll ask him. Anyway,

6:31

not to get sidetracked, even though we did. Donny

6:34

continue to run it. I'm telling you this and I

6:36

want you to, and I want somebody to send it

6:38

to you. And y'all been, I've been seeing it in

6:40

the chat. Y'all know who I'm talking about. I don't

6:42

know who you talking about, but I'm with you. I'm

6:44

a nigga. Name again. And I'm going to put the

6:46

time on and I'm going to release the DM. Yeah.

6:48

I July. Yeah. You said I reached out to you

6:50

to come on club shake shake and you are mofo.

6:53

Now, when I see you, I'm going to see

6:55

you. I'm going to see if you're about that.

6:57

Okay. So nobody wants to fight Shannon Sharp. I

7:02

mean, that's just a thing, right? Nobody's I don't

7:04

think that my Mike Epps, I know a bunch

7:06

of people. I don't think a Mike

7:08

Epps wants to fight Shannon Sharp. And

7:10

Mike Epps said he didn't want to fight Shannon Sharp. He

7:12

said that he would handle it a different way.

7:15

Donny. I don't be doing no fighting

7:17

lately. I don't do

7:19

no fighting. So you

7:22

know, it's only other one, other option. If

7:24

you don't fight, you

7:27

do blank blank,

7:29

blank, blank, blank blank. Now, oh,

7:31

Joe, you shut up and go get some eyebrows.

7:33

You looking like a whole milk, does sitting there

7:36

agitate. We watched the white boy kick your

7:38

ass. So

7:45

Mike Epps goes on to say that they're going to see

7:47

each other in Indiana. And

7:49

I'll start getting a if

7:51

he sees him in Indiana, when he he's

7:54

basically said that he'll put that on or Shannon

7:56

Sharp. That's where we are now because of a

7:59

lot of the talks. Remember, D.L. Hughley has

8:02

criticized Shannon Sharpe for what's been going on on

8:04

Club Shae Shae. It's like,

8:06

and now we got Shannon

8:08

Sharpe threatening to beat up Mike

8:12

Epps and Mike Epps threatening to shoot

8:14

Shannon Sharpe. Oh, geez, going wild. Oomph's

8:17

going wild. Is

8:20

what we seeing right now. It's unnecessary. They need

8:22

to quit all of that. But

8:24

I mean, listen, the more that Club Shae

8:26

Shae continues to have people on who

8:29

feel comfortable enough to just talk

8:31

for hours on hours on hours,

8:33

and specifically it's been comedians out

8:36

of late. We're going to have

8:38

people that are riled up and are going to want

8:40

to respond back and more of the aunties and the

8:42

uncles showing out on social

8:44

media. You're already going to continue. You're right.

8:47

Now, are we interested in it? Yes. We

8:50

talk about it every single time. Do I want to see that?

8:52

No. I want to see

8:55

them actually turn it all into a tour. Let's

8:57

bring all these people to come out. Monique and

8:59

Kat are going out on tour together. Oh, I

9:01

miss that. Oh, my God, I'm a genius. Yeah,

9:03

they're playing a tour. Like Monique and Kat came

9:05

together. She did her first show a

9:07

couple of nights ago. Here? No,

9:09

somewhere else. Look, here's the thing. It's

9:12

interesting. So the

9:15

Breakfast Club, which has

9:17

now actually transitioned to

9:19

a show that has more tools

9:23

than a toolkit, because the Breakfast Club gives

9:25

you all the interviews with the people who are coming up

9:27

and popping, but it also gives you interviews with authors. It's

9:32

become over the course of its run a much

9:34

more serious platform than what it was when it

9:37

first exploded onto the scene. So

9:39

now you got presidential candidates on there. You got

9:41

politicians on there. You got authors on there. You

9:43

got financial experts on there. You got all different

9:45

types of people on there. So

9:50

Shay Shay is like a

9:53

Gen X version, almost

9:56

a Baby Boomer version of

9:58

what the Breakfast Club was in say 2013, 2014.

10:03

Yeah. And his crowd, think about it.

10:05

We talking about beef with Ricky Smiley

10:08

and beef with Kat Williams and beef

10:10

with Mike Epps and Steve Harvey and

10:13

Cedric the Entertainer. The

10:15

older crowd, the uncles and the aunties, they

10:17

never had a place where they could go

10:20

and get shit off their chest like this about

10:22

each other. We never really saw this before. And

10:24

club Shae Shae has given them that. So it's

10:26

gonna be that way. And a lot

10:29

of these people is different.

10:32

Not so much Mike Epps, cause he's been going back and

10:34

forth with people in the past, but a lot of these

10:36

people aren't used to

10:39

having this type of shit talked about them. No,

10:41

that's true. Cause it's been a while

10:43

since they, cause they're older

10:46

and they don't, you know, anybody you can see

10:48

on the cruise or doing a gospel brunch Saturday

10:51

comedy show is not used to being

10:53

called out. You know what I'm

10:55

saying? And they don't respond. I mean, Cedric really

10:57

didn't respond. He might've had a

10:59

couple of comments. Cedric didn't really. Cedric wouldn't, right? But

11:01

that's what I mean. Cedric Smiley did almost everybody. Ricky

11:03

Smiley, Steve Harvey, they just let it go. Ricky Smiley

11:05

did respond. Yeah, but not like in

11:08

the Mike Epps segue. My

11:10

Epps is calling people, he's calling people

11:12

out in the middle of his

11:15

response. Not your Mike, you

11:17

know, as Shannon does it,

11:19

this is kind of gonna be the thing. Shannon is

11:21

kind of in that same space that Shar

11:24

was in during the time when everybody was like, oh,

11:26

you just go up there. You talk a bunch of

11:28

shit. But now that

11:30

platform has actually evolved and

11:33

Club Shae Shae is the hottest place to

11:35

go and talk your shit. It is. It

11:39

is. It just is. Everybody that wants

11:41

to get something off their chest is

11:43

gonna go talk to, and it's

11:45

interesting because like in between

11:47

Kat and Monique, fucking Usher

11:49

was on Club Shae Shae. He

11:52

was? Yeah. And

11:54

it's just- How did I miss that? Because he did

11:58

not really talk his shit. Because

12:00

that's what people, you go on in, out of talk your shit.

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It's time for Super Bowl talk

15:45

man. There was so much going on yesterday. There was

15:47

a lot going on I'm so glad that

15:50

we washed it together though because there was so much going

15:52

on a lot with this I mean, where do we start?

15:54

Um break Oh It's

16:00

great All

16:03

right, Super Bowl Rachel

16:05

go Well first

16:07

off Is it good? It turned

16:09

out to be a good game, right? Started off slow to

16:12

the point where I was walking around. I really wasn't even

16:14

tapped in that much the first half Low

16:16

scoring I think people thought it would be

16:18

more of a high scoring game surprised by

16:21

Kansas City's defense that Can't

16:23

really talk about them a certain way now because the

16:25

Chiefs did really good shutting down For

16:27

Niners obviously they won but definitely in the first

16:29

half And

16:32

that's first half second half I mean Neither

16:36

one of my teams so I'm not that I'm

16:38

not invested in it in that way, but I

16:41

was rooting for the Niners I

16:43

will say that Disappointed

16:45

that they didn't step up. I really

16:47

felt like they were gonna win this I feel

16:50

like who who was favored that I don't even

16:52

know I don't remember I'm a Donny look that I

16:54

for our family with the line was probably close But

16:56

I feel like I bet it was the Niners by

16:58

like two and so I just want to

17:00

I guess that doesn't really make A difference, but we

17:02

couldn't be affected more from them. Yeah,

17:05

not necessarily from Brock Purdy But

17:08

I expected everybody else to step up around him in

17:10

a way that would carry them to the win The

17:14

Niners are cursed Did

17:16

you see that mean the Niners are cursed but

17:20

you guys The

17:23

Niners are cursed Look

17:26

you guys think that this Doesn't

17:29

exist but energetically

17:33

These things exist the

17:35

Red Sox were cursed for a long

17:37

time Because what?

17:40

What's our curse? What's the Cowboys curse?

17:42

Yeah, the Jerry Jones curse the

17:45

civil rights era Jerry

17:53

Jones y'all first of all y'all have

17:55

one under Jerry Jones, so it's not that much of a

17:57

curse He's got like three. Yeah, but I mean where we are now,

17:59

but like for a long time. I

18:02

really do believe in energy. I do

18:04

too. I believe in things

18:07

energetically. And I

18:09

actually think that the 49ers

18:11

are cursed. They're losing in

18:13

the most excruciating ways. They're

18:17

right there for the Super Bowl. Think about the things that

18:19

happened in the game last night. Oh

18:21

man. The ball bouncing off of

18:24

the guy on the court return.

18:26

Yes. The missed extra point. These

18:29

types of things. We're

18:31

watching the game last night with the great

18:33

by Tracial. Okay. Big

18:36

Niners fan. And I was rooting for a

18:38

team last night because I was rooting against

18:40

Taylor Swift. You said it

18:42

this time. And it

18:46

was bumbling mishaps. Some

18:49

of them not even their fault. I mean,

18:51

a missed extra point is a missed extra point. That's

18:53

a block extra point. Rarely happens. The,

18:56

the, the, the punt is a freak occurrence.

18:59

There was a football God

19:02

somewhere with an Afro making

19:06

sure the 49ers didn't win. The

19:08

49ers need to make this right

19:11

with Colin Kaepernick, or I don't think they're

19:13

going to win, man. Well, yes,

19:15

it wasn't just that. I mean, their defense, the

19:17

second half, like the way that they were just,

19:19

it was wide open in the middle of missed

19:21

tackles. It was really bad, but there was something

19:23

else. Phantom injuries. Oh, the fan

19:25

of injuries. Phantom injuries. Came

19:28

back. Remember that. Did

19:30

you see the report, Kyle, whose

19:32

name I last, I may cannot pronounce the full

19:34

back. You check. Thank you. Kyle,

19:37

you check. I think it

19:39

was him came out and said, they didn't know

19:41

the rules for overtime. That's

19:43

part of the Afro God as well. Afro

19:45

God. How do you not know the overtime

19:48

rules in

19:50

the postseason? That is funny though. That's happened a couple of

19:52

times before. I wouldn't even admit that. Yeah.

19:54

I think it happened to Donvans. So were they,

19:56

were they really not trying to go? That's what

19:58

I'm listening to. Oh, you did?

20:01

Everybody's super old. But so does that

20:03

mean the 49ers weren't trying

20:05

to score a touchdown? They were just trying

20:07

to score? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't

20:09

think they thought that. I think they thought that if they

20:12

scored a touchdown, the game was over and they weren't the

20:14

only people who thought that. Tony

20:16

Romo thought that as well because Tony Romo

20:18

clearly said on the broadcast not to dis

20:20

Tony Romo. No, no. Tony

20:22

Romo clearly said on the broadcast

20:24

when the Niners were close to

20:27

their to their end zone, excuse me,

20:29

to the Chiefs end zone. They're about to score. He

20:31

goes, you hit that, you hit that pass,

20:33

you win the Super Bowl. And that's not the way that the game

20:35

works. Why would Tony Romo know? I

20:38

mean, Tony Romo, he should know the rules. He doesn't have

20:40

real life experience. And

20:42

it should be a dis. That's

20:45

a dis to Romo. But

20:48

it's not just Romo. It's

20:50

everybody's Romo. It's fucking Quincy. The rules

20:53

were up on the screen. Quincy Carter

20:55

is... Where is he? I

21:00

have no idea where Quincy Carter is from

21:03

Georgia. It's fucking Dak

21:05

Prescott. Anyway, game goes to overtime.

21:09

Chiefs find a way to win. Question now becomes

21:11

where's Patrick Mahomes all the time? He's got three Super

21:13

Bowls. He is 28 years old. Three Super Bowls, three

21:15

MVPs. Three Super Bowls, three

21:17

MVPs, been to four Super Bowls. Andy

21:20

Reid is going to coach until he's

21:23

in one of those Hubbard things like

21:25

the leader of the Harkonnens from Dune. You ever

21:28

see Dune? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's on

21:30

a big motherfucker and still killing

21:32

Sarsgaard, plays him in Dune, and

21:34

he's all around. Andy

21:37

Reid is going to coach until he's in one of

21:39

those things. Because you can't leave. Now,

21:41

Andy Reid goes from having no Super Bowls

21:44

to now having three Super Bowls. He's

21:47

got to ride this out until he's in

21:49

that thing like the motherfucker from Dune just

21:51

figuring out how many Super Bowls he could

21:53

win. Because he's got... Patrick

21:56

Mahomes is the golden nigga of football. He

22:00

is this is insane. He

22:02

is the golden nigga from football

22:04

He is the one that we've

22:06

been waiting for is nuts He

22:09

always gets it done like even when I

22:12

thought cuz we talked about this last night

22:14

They didn't have the most stellar regular

22:16

season if you win this Super Bowl if

22:19

you if they win this Super Bowl This is

22:22

the the mark of a

22:24

dynasty isn't when you win when you have

22:26

your most dominant team the

22:28

mark of a dynasty is when you have a

22:33

Slightly off year When

22:36

there's a lot of things

22:38

going wrong and you through

22:40

gut guile championship medal Experience

22:43

and fortitude still end up winning

22:45

cuz this is what I was just looking up I was

22:47

like when it's high reek he'll leave because when he left

22:49

it was like all man That's it for the Chiefs. They

22:52

don't have their weapon and they've won Two

22:54

Super Bowls. Yeah without him. Yeah,

22:56

too. Yeah Do

23:00

you like dynasties Think

23:02

by these are good for sports, but as

23:04

a fan as a viewer Don't

23:08

you like to change up? I

23:10

think people think that they like parody But

23:13

I think parody is bad for sports So

23:15

no, so not that I want some

23:17

random teens to make it right you want

23:19

to see a good Super Bowl You want

23:21

to see big franchises, right? Popular

23:24

teams teams with a big fan base that

23:26

will travel but at the same time I

23:28

can still have that and not watch the

23:30

same teens Went out over and

23:33

over again despite being a Cowboys fan. I would have

23:35

loved to have seen the Eagles win last year The

23:39

thing that boxing has is

23:41

that it's the same fighter right,

23:44

it's a bunch of different fighters in a bunch of different weight classes,

23:47

but Floyd Mayweather is Floyd

23:49

Mayweather whenever he fights you're either rooting

23:51

for or against Floyd Mayweather and that's

23:53

gonna go until he retires All right

23:56

having one big thing one

23:58

big figure there that you

24:01

can either relate to or root against increases

24:03

interest to me. I think

24:05

that a lot of times these sports are

24:08

markedly better when there is a dominant

24:10

team because that

24:13

makes the achievement of the team that beats

24:15

that team look that better,

24:18

like more significant. And it

24:20

also makes that team's historical

24:24

importance a little bit more scrutinized because

24:26

you can look and you can say, okay, now

24:29

are the Chiefs as good as the Patriots? Are

24:31

the Chiefs as good as the Cowboys from the

24:33

90s? Are the Chiefs as good as the 49ers?

24:37

It raises the stakes when you have a team like that.

24:39

Not that they have to win every year, but

24:42

I never think that dominance is bad for

24:44

sports. Like Usain Bolt, the question

24:46

becomes, okay, is Usain Bolt going to break

24:48

the rule record? Then can he win again? Then

24:50

can someone beat him? It's just good for him. You know the

24:52

only difference I will say about you

24:55

giving a tracking and a boxing example?

24:57

They're individual sports, so it's like you

24:59

don't see them winning as often, so

25:01

it feels different. If I'm watching

25:03

the Chiefs, even though we said they didn't have a

25:06

great regular season, I'm watching

25:08

them constantly win, win, win over and over again.

25:11

It's different. 17 games as opposed to

25:13

the Olympics, World

25:15

Championship, one boxing match a year,

25:18

whatever. It might be different. Congratulations

25:21

to the Kansas City Chiefs. I have

25:23

a question about them, another question about

25:25

them a little later. I'll ask in a second, but we have

25:27

to talk about Usher. Usher halftime

25:29

show. Donny, your thoughts? It was entertaining. I

25:33

thought it was everything we wanted from it.

25:35

I didn't feel disappointed at all. Our expectations

25:37

went in high, so I feel like when

25:39

that is the case, it

25:42

is very easy to be disappointed, and that didn't

25:44

happen. I thought this case worked out. I

25:48

had moments.

25:51

It started off, we were excited because we were all like,

25:53

what's the first song going to be? It was cool to

25:55

see the Vegas. You called it. Yeah,

25:58

it was cool to see the Vegas implications. a

26:00

minute in that opening

26:02

number. But then in the

26:04

middle, I got lost. I

26:07

didn't think I like Alicia Keys. I

26:10

love the song that she performed, not a fan of my

26:12

boo, but I loved her song that she performed. Thank you.

26:15

That's it. Thank you, Mom. We

26:17

didn't need it. It's slowed

26:20

it down too much. I think Usher needed

26:22

it as a performer, but to me, the

26:25

whole medley of flow songs threw me

26:27

off a bit. But then when he

26:29

changed back into that blue and black

26:31

sparkly outfit, the skaters came out. I

26:34

thought it brought it right back. I thought

26:36

it was a fantastic. I

26:38

do think it's one of the best.

26:41

Definitely a top 10, maybe

26:43

a top five. It

26:45

was very good. Somehow in 15 minutes, he

26:48

was able to fit in several

26:50

songs. I like that he didn't keep

26:52

it to himself. Sometimes people don't like to share the stage.

26:54

I like that he brought out Ludacris, Lil

26:57

Jon, perfectly implemented

26:59

in the show. It was smooth,

27:02

it was fluid. I

27:04

really liked it all. I would give it

27:06

a nine. I'm

27:08

not going to talk about my boo because we've had our say. We

27:10

know how we feel about it. Let's

27:13

just keep it positive. Donnie

27:17

made the point, which is the most

27:19

salient point. Usher's

27:23

Super Bowl halftime show was good. It was

27:25

entertaining. It was very good. We

27:28

will never like anything as much as we're supposed to

27:30

like it ever again. Ever,

27:32

it's over. Our

27:36

expectations for everything are so out

27:38

of whack that we will never

27:40

like things as much as we used to like them. You know what

27:42

we used to do? You know how things

27:44

used to go? It used to be like, oh

27:46

Usher is performing at the Super Bowl show. And

27:48

it would be like, oh shit, there's Usher performing

27:50

at the Super Bowl show. Wow, interesting. Okay, cool.

27:53

You go on about our lives. One

27:55

day, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

27:58

Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Boom

28:00

boom and then boom ushers there.

28:02

That's not how things work anymore How things

28:04

work now is and we did it here on this podcast

28:06

and we will do it because the way things go Because

28:09

we have an infinity new cycle that goes on

28:11

and on and on and on What

28:13

is us you're gonna do who is

28:15

us? You're gonna bring out is us? You're

28:17

gonna bring out Justin Bieber It's us. You're

28:20

gonna bring out Janet Jackson has Michael Jackson

28:22

be rain been reincarnated or him and us

28:24

are gonna dance off against one another I

28:27

saw people that said that Usher should bring out our

28:29

Kelly and really fuck people up our Kelly's in jail

28:31

guys The fucking man is in prison.

28:34

Okay, it's like we're everybody's on what's

28:36

gonna happen with songs He's gonna do

28:38

boom boom boom for you

28:40

to beat those types of expectations The

28:43

expectations we're putting on everything I'm

28:46

thinking about dune 2 every day Every

28:49

day I think about doing to I

28:52

don't go a day. Well, I don't think about dude Wow,

28:55

when does it come out it comes out a March March

28:57

first I think March 14 March 1st I

28:59

can't remember every day. I think about doing

29:01

our Expectations are

29:03

so different now That

29:06

there's really not a good way

29:08

to avoid being let down

29:11

It was ushers performance a

29:14

little bit of a letdown. Yeah, but it

29:16

had nothing to do with Usher That

29:20

nothing to do with Usher Usher went out

29:22

there and did his thing usher out there

29:24

dancing I want people to understand people talk

29:26

about us. You had to take some breaks

29:28

That's still a 45 year old man out

29:30

there giving it to you guys looking like

29:32

a 27 year old kid He's

29:34

green just doing this thing. It was great.

29:37

It was great. It was

29:39

great for everyone

29:41

that Expected more is like

29:43

my vision Pro. I got

29:45

my vision Pro. I love my vision Pro My

29:47

vision Pro is great for what it was.

29:49

I thought I was going

29:51

to be Tony Stark inside the vision Pro

29:54

Oh, wow. Okay, I kind of am Tony Stark

29:56

inside the vision Pro you guys vision Pro is

29:58

sick. It's fucking crazy You can't really do

30:01

much. I thought it was different, but whatever. So I'm

30:03

saying, Usher was performing against the

30:05

expectations of Usher that we were going to have, and there was

30:07

no way he could beat those expectations. So I think

30:09

you're speaking for yourself, because I think

30:12

I'm really good at managing my

30:14

expectations. You're a pessimist. No.

30:17

You are definitely a pessimist. I'm more of

30:19

a realist fan. That's what all pessimists say.

30:22

I know, because that's what y'all put on us. Like,

30:24

y'all make us say that because we have to defend

30:26

ourselves. We're not pessimists, but I just think I'm very

30:28

good at, I want it to be entertained. I want

30:30

it to be a good show. There were

30:33

certain things that I wanted that I felt like I got. I

30:35

wanted other people to be on the stage. I wanted certain songs

30:37

to be there. So for me, I was

30:39

pleased. I'm really

30:41

good, I think, at managing it. My expectations

30:43

are in that way. So I think

30:45

as long as you do that, right? If you're a

30:47

person who can say, I'm not

30:50

going to get too excited. I'm not going

30:52

to expect him. He's not going to blow my

30:54

mind away, but it's definitely going to be worth

30:56

the hype. And it was for me, because

30:59

I manage them. I don't know

31:01

what more you could

31:04

have expected from Usher in

31:06

that performance. We even had laughs.

31:08

I mean, almost at C-Lo. Jermaine

31:10

Dupri coming out, we forgot to

31:13

talk about the Jermaine Dupri. Probably because

31:15

so many people were confused as to

31:17

who that was and what he was

31:19

doing. Jermaine Dupri.

31:23

Stop it. I believe it was. I

31:26

believe it was Nina Parker who first showed up.

31:29

Is that C-Lo? We

31:31

got to stop doing our legends like this, man. He

31:34

did it to himself. He dressed himself.

31:37

I was excited to see Jermaine Dupri pop up, but you cannot

31:40

lie when you saw him. You

31:46

said, huh? So

31:52

wait a second, man. People said, they

31:56

said that he looked like one of the lollipop kids.

31:58

We can't. We can't. They said. Can't do

32:00

our legends like this. They said that he was

32:02

dressed like a child from 1905 I

32:10

thought this one tweet. I don't know why resonated with

32:12

me so much. They had a picture of Jermaine Dupree

32:14

that said I'm a little

32:17

laugh that loves Barry. Well,

32:19

he was it said what I

32:26

knew you were break. We

32:28

love our legends, but it doesn't mean our

32:30

legends don't have some missteps and

32:32

those and the black

32:34

the black shoes loafers with

32:36

the rolled down ruffled socks like we used to

32:38

wear when we were 10 and under it's going

32:41

to church. It was a misstep. It

32:43

was a misstep. What did you

32:45

say? I don't know why so funny.

32:47

What did you say? I don't know

32:49

why so funny me. It was just

32:51

a picture of Jermaine Dupree. Take

32:54

your time. It was just a

32:56

picture of Jermaine from the y'all

32:59

y'all don't even know how important Jermaine Dupree is

33:02

to hip hop and culture. Nobody's saying that.

33:04

He's not known for his style choices. What

33:06

did the tweet, I mean the picture say.

33:08

It's just not even that. I don't know why

33:11

it's so funny to me. This is a picture

33:13

of Jermaine Dupree. He was doing like this. It's

33:20

him. I'm a little lad that loves berries

33:22

and cream. God

33:30

damn, man. It's not funny. We

33:32

can't do our legends like this,

33:34

man. We

33:44

can't do our legends like this. I swear,

33:47

I'm being serious now. Daddy, break it

33:49

out. I'm being serious now. I'm

33:51

being serious now. I seriously want to

33:53

say this. It

33:56

doesn't take away from his career, man. Nobody's

33:58

saying he's just... Jermaine Dupri

34:01

is such an important

34:04

musician. Just culturally, man.

34:07

Like everything that he's been able to do over

34:09

the course. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not

34:11

gonna stop talking. Cause I don't like this, man.

34:14

I don't like this. I'm not gonna stop talking about

34:16

everything that JD done. We

34:19

can't do all the legends like this. He's not known

34:22

for his fashion choices.

34:24

That's fine. But somebody

34:27

on that team should have said, I

34:30

don't think that this is, it's

34:33

gonna go over. Jermaine Dupri is known for being one

34:35

of the flies niggas having all the ice in the,

34:37

okay. We'll just move on. Let's

34:40

just move on, man. But it would

34:42

be remiss of us to not have mentioned that,

34:44

that appearance. We talked about everybody else and we

34:46

forgot that. I have a

34:49

theory about last night. Please

34:52

go ahead. Beyonce

34:54

declared war on the

34:58

NFL last night. Just her? I

35:01

thought some other people could have gotten it too. Taylor

35:03

Swift is a part of this

35:06

NFL theme. Taylor Swift was

35:08

with the NFL last night and

35:11

Beyonce last night decided

35:14

that she would derail the Superbowl and

35:17

she did. She did. Everyone

35:19

was going around asking questions

35:22

about who was bigger out of

35:24

Taylor Swift and Beyonce. Would

35:26

Beyonce be, we asked the questions here

35:28

on the podcast, would Beyonce's involvement

35:31

with the NFL be this big and

35:33

Beyonce, when I'm a fucking show you,

35:36

and if you don't think that it worked,

35:38

it fucking did work. There

35:40

was a time at Rachel's

35:42

house last night

35:45

where we were trying to stream

35:47

the new Beyonce song while

35:50

the game was on. We put the game on

35:52

pause. We put the game on pause to listen

35:54

to it and me and Tracy had to

35:57

be like, wait, big guys, we gotta watch the Superbowl. We

36:00

can watch the game. We can watch the song after the Super Bowl.

36:02

We got to watch the Super Bowl. The

36:04

moment that the Verizon commercial came out

36:06

and then Beyonce said, let's break the

36:08

Internet, drop new music. She

36:12

actually flexed her muscle

36:14

because she neutered the Super Bowl. That's

36:17

a fact. It happened like that's

36:19

a fact. She neutered the Super Bowl. Everybody

36:21

was on her IG. There was a full

36:23

room of people wondering what was

36:25

going on. I'm not saying this was like

36:28

this everywhere, but I'm saying it was like

36:30

this a lot of places. Beyonce

36:32

showed last night. I felt like she wanted

36:34

to assert herself by

36:37

stepping in it during the biggest game of the

36:39

year where Taylor Swift was prominently featured. She

36:41

did. And this is and I can say

36:43

I was fully immersed in all of this.

36:46

And we all know that I'm not a

36:48

member of the beehive, but you cannot deny

36:50

the execution, the thought process, the how calculated

36:53

it all was. It was

36:55

pure perfection and genius because we're watching

36:57

the commercial, which we have major

37:00

fans that were in our midst last night freaking

37:02

out over the commercial. So they're

37:04

already just they're totally satisfied that

37:06

they got a full Beyonce commercial

37:09

and it was cute and it was interesting and it

37:11

was a lot of Beyonce. I

37:13

don't know who at first said, let me just check

37:15

my phone. Maybe they went on Twitter to see what

37:17

people were saying. And then they saw that it dropped.

37:22

I got to say, and then the fact that it's a country,

37:25

country album, it all is tied together

37:27

because I know what you guys were

37:29

thinking. I don't care how big

37:31

of a Beyonce fan you were questioning

37:33

that outfit choice at the Grammys. You were

37:36

trying to understand why she was in a

37:38

cowboy hat, a bolo and like

37:40

just this whole kind of cowgirl outfit. It

37:42

didn't really make sense. It does now.

37:45

She was dropping. You'll talk about Taylor Swift and

37:47

her Easter eggs. She was dropping

37:49

Easter eggs for you guys because she

37:51

knew what was coming and nobody else

37:54

did. Genius. Also,

37:56

I think Jay Z saying what he

37:58

said when he accepted his award at the Grammys. was

38:00

an Easter egg because now she has a

38:03

new album coming out. The spotlight is so

38:05

on the Grammys because she will be nominated.

38:07

The question is, will you give her album

38:09

of the year? Then if

38:11

she wins, the conversation becomes, did she have

38:13

to do a country rock album for

38:16

you guys to finally give her album of the

38:18

year? Also her choosing country,

38:21

she's stepping back into the category that Taylor Swift

38:23

left. Taylor Swift turned over

38:25

to pop. Remember Taylor Swift can't answer

38:27

the phone right now? Beyonce said, I'll

38:29

answer, I'm coming to country. I'm

38:32

gonna take this over and take another genre. It

38:34

was genius. Now I will say I didn't like the

38:36

song. Well, I didn't hear it yet. So

38:39

you're kind of... But

38:41

I'm rooting for her. Beyonce right now is

38:44

officially the biggest country artist of all time.

38:49

Nobody could do this, but she just

38:51

pulled off. What I'm saying right now

38:53

is non-controversial. Beyonce

38:56

right now as it stands is

39:00

both the biggest country artists in the world and

39:04

maybe the biggest country artists of all time.

39:06

I won't say of all time, because that dismisses Dolly

39:08

Parton and other people that would be. Hank

39:10

Williams, I like... A lot of people that

39:12

dismiss this. Garth

39:14

Brooks of all time, I like Garth. But

39:18

I will say right now that right now as it stands, I'm ready to make

39:20

a declaration, Beyonce is the biggest country artist in

39:22

the world. It's the biggest country,

39:25

country and Western. Country and Western, by the way, guys,

39:27

country and Western, which is our music, black

39:30

people's music. All

39:34

American music emanates from black

39:36

music. We're

39:39

not waiting into country.

39:41

We're taking country back. We're

39:45

not waiting into rock and roll. We're taking rock and roll back.

39:50

Higher learning might do a whole episode breaking about black

39:52

people's place in country and Western music, the

39:56

sounds that come from the Mississippi. Mississippi

40:00

Delta, we might talk

40:02

about all of this stuff, how it

40:04

works, where it came from, black musical

40:07

and cultural innovation. Rachel, you got something

40:09

for us right now? No, I was

40:11

just looking up biggest black country singers.

40:15

Charlie Pratt? Actually,

40:17

they don't even have Charlie Pratt, but they have Ray Charles. Ray

40:20

Charles? Man, I was just saying, stop

40:23

trying to act like Will. Anyway. Yeah,

40:26

so just so people

40:28

know. Beyonce's new album, Act Two,

40:30

is going to be released March 29. It's

40:33

the second part of Renaissance. It

40:35

has a country rock theme. One

40:37

of my favorite country songs ever, Daddy Lessons by Beyonce.

40:39

I love it. Beyonce, she

40:41

stuck up. That's a country song? Daddy Lessons is

40:43

definitely a country song. I can't hear. I don't

40:45

know. You never heard that record before? I

40:48

don't think so. That's a crazy record. That record is

40:50

dope. What's the album? That's on

40:52

Eliminate. Oh, then maybe I

40:54

have, but I definitely don't remember Country. Go ahead.

40:57

You ever heard? My daddy

40:59

said shoot. When heaven went white,

41:01

they came around. And the bad

41:04

man came to town. My daddy said shoot.

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I back to the world. As

43:07

Americans descended into the

43:09

depths of normalize

43:14

the warfare and

43:16

consumerism. There was actual warfare

43:18

taking place last night. The

43:22

Rafa offensive is

43:26

happening in Gaza right now as we speak. Now,

43:28

when I say the Rafa offensive, I mean the

43:30

bombing of the

43:33

southernmost large city in

43:38

the Gaza Strip. A

43:41

city where

43:43

Palestinians were specifically

43:45

told to evacuate too as

43:47

Israel began its offensive in the north. Right

43:51

now in Rafa, a place that normally held about

43:53

200 to 250,000 people, which

43:56

is very close to the border of Egypt

43:59

down there, Rafa. crossing you hear people talk about.

44:02

There are about 1.4 Palestinians living there, and they

44:06

are under bombardment from

44:08

IDF artillery. And

44:12

if you are watching or paying attention to

44:17

intelligence, to troop movement, and

44:20

to some of the musings that

44:23

are coming out of the area,

44:25

Israel seems to be gathering

44:29

itself, preparing itself for a ground

44:31

offensive in Rafah, which has been

44:37

roundly and uniformly condemned by

44:39

various members of the international

44:41

community. Egypt, Saudi

44:43

Arabia, other

44:46

neighboring states in the Gulf, along

44:48

with the European Union, and right

44:50

here the United States of America

44:53

have all warned Egypt,

44:55

excuse me warned Israel, against

44:58

a prolonged ground invasion, an

45:01

aggressive operation

45:04

in Rafah, but Netanyahu

45:06

seems undaunted. Donnie, give me some

45:08

sound. Quote, the family's request to

45:10

immediately meet with the members

45:13

of the cabinet and hear if it is

45:15

still committed to the release of the abductees,

45:17

or whether the power to run

45:19

negotiations should be transferred to a

45:22

party that sees itself as committed

45:24

to saving their lives. So let

45:26

me understand your priorities. What

45:28

is the higher priority at this moment? Totally

45:31

eliminating Hamas or

45:33

saving the lives of those hostages and getting them

45:35

free? They're not mutually exclusive.

45:38

The reason we succeeded in getting 110

45:40

hostages out, that's

45:43

half the hostages, is because we applied military

45:45

pressure, not because we stopped applying it, but

45:47

because we applied it. Look, I think the

45:49

families of the hostages are in a

45:52

terrible bind. I mean, it just

45:55

tears your heart out to listen

45:57

to them and to think about what they're doing. relatives

46:00

are going through, I'm committed to getting them

46:03

out. We'll make every effort. It

46:05

requires pressure, and pressure has worked and

46:08

pressure will work again. That's Netanyahu essentially

46:10

saying that in order to

46:13

remove the rest of the Hamas militants

46:15

that they believe to be in Gaza,

46:17

he has to continue a pressure campaign,

46:19

and that pressure campaign means bombardments of

46:22

Rafa. 67 Palestinians

46:24

were killed in Israeli airstrikes

46:26

and sea attacks on

46:28

Rafa early on Monday. Of

46:30

course, those are attacks that were

46:33

happening during the time that the game

46:35

was on. Joe

46:39

Biden has said that without a

46:42

credible and executable plan, that they shouldn't

46:45

go in. He's said that

46:48

he believed that the response of

46:50

Israel in this entire conflict and war

46:53

against Hamas has been over the top.

46:56

Israel, led by its

46:58

increasingly unpopular and hawkish

47:03

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, seems undaunted. They

47:06

seem like their mission, according

47:08

to them, is to wipe Hamas from

47:10

the face of the planet. By

47:13

any means necessary. It doesn't

47:15

matter. It seems that if there is

47:18

collective punishment involved in that, if

47:20

there is collateral damage involved in that, we're talking about

47:22

28,000 people, according to the

47:24

Gaza Health Ministry, 12,000 children.

47:28

Now, people specifically being bombarded

47:30

in a place where they were

47:32

told to evacuate for safety. I

47:35

watched another interview, in that same

47:37

interview with Benjamin Netanyahu, I watched the entire thing.

47:39

When asked where the people

47:42

who are now in Rafa living in

47:44

a tent city down there should go,

47:46

then Netanyahu said to evacuate back to

47:48

the north, places that the IDF has

47:51

already cleared. The problem with that is

47:53

that those places have been

47:56

demolished. So

47:58

unless there is some Um, far

48:03

reaching international,

48:06

uh, effort to

48:08

build quick

48:11

tent cities in those places. Like

48:13

we're talking about 85% of the infrastructure of the

48:15

entire place gone. So there's nowhere

48:18

to go. Like this is the place where he told them

48:20

to go and they're down there. And he says that

48:22

he believes that there's still a couple of, of my cells

48:24

working down there. They've taken out, I

48:26

think he said 19 of 24 or something like that. And

48:29

he believes that they're down there. And so they're going to

48:31

bomb there and there will be a ground offensive, in

48:34

my opinion, in Rafa. And it doesn't

48:36

matter what anyone says, uh, they're going to go through with

48:38

it. It's okay.

48:40

So when we started off talking

48:42

in this podcast, you were saying there's so many things

48:44

that were going on during the Superbowl. It was wild

48:47

to be watching the Superbowl and if there's somebody to

48:49

say, Hey, they're bombing

48:52

Rafa right now. Like Israel's bombing

48:54

while we're all distracted with Beyonce

48:56

and Taylor and chiefs in the

48:58

Niners and the Superbowl,

49:01

which is such a huge American

49:03

tradition. This is what's happening right

49:05

now in the other part of the

49:07

world. As you were talking, it was

49:09

making me think of, and you kind of said it, it's

49:12

like when they were

49:14

bombing Gaza and they first, you

49:16

know, after October 7th and they

49:18

went in there, you know,

49:20

to attack Hamas. And there

49:22

was this major outcry about being

49:26

a humanitarian and the people, um,

49:28

that live there and how they're

49:30

innocent. These innocent civilians are getting

49:32

caught up in this. Israel

49:35

always said, well, they can

49:37

go to Rafa. Like this is where they can

49:39

go south. Yeah. Like,

49:42

this is where they can go. Like they can, like we've built basically

49:44

refugee camps for them is what they're making

49:46

a scene where we're giving humanitarian aid to

49:48

them. And as you were talking, you made

49:50

me think, what if that was always

49:52

the plan? What is the

49:54

plan? It was always, well,

49:56

keep you here, right? Because they're there.

49:59

They destroyed. Pretty much the rest

50:01

of Gaza. There's no humanitarian

50:03

aid in if out there

50:05

even if they do leave and say, okay Well now

50:07

you're not bombing here. We'll go here. How do they

50:10

have any type of life? There's

50:12

nothing there for them There are there's already

50:14

starvation happening right there at the south of

50:16

it and the north everything is

50:18

completely been obliterated Obliterated but it makes me

50:21

wonder was the plan always to move

50:24

them there. They can't go into

50:26

Egypt So there

50:28

that city is Bordered

50:30

by Egypt that they can't go into was

50:32

the plan always to trap them there And

50:35

complete I'm obviously I'm speculating that

50:38

has not been said but as I'm

50:40

listening to you talk It's I wonder

50:42

cuz he's faded very clear whether he

50:44

outright says it or implies it that

50:46

by any means necessary He even said

50:48

only continued military pressure until total victory.

50:50

That is it. He says they're not

50:52

they're mutually exclusive Or do you say

50:54

they're not? Whatever it

50:56

is. His goal is

50:58

to completely Wipe it

51:00

out. So and it makes

51:02

me wonder was it your point? To

51:05

trap so that they're there and

51:07

you know, cuz it's always Hamas is there

51:09

there's hostages in there I don't know how

51:11

much of that is true or not But

51:14

the excuse of why we have to do this is

51:16

because this is where Hamas Hamas is who we're trying

51:18

to take out But I feel

51:20

like they're stuck and trapped there and they

51:23

made it to where there is nowhere else

51:25

to go Even him saying going to the

51:27

north There's no detailed plan of how you're

51:30

going to properly move these innocent civilians to

51:32

the north and how they will be provided

51:34

for There's nothing or how to have any

51:37

chance of survival. You're just saying it in

51:39

such a flippant manner But there's

51:41

no plan of action. They're trapped So

51:44

a couple of things to me and

51:46

Egypt's threatening if they if they do this

51:49

to Break the

51:51

treaty. Yeah, no Egypt Egypt

51:54

has skin in the game

51:56

in terms of There's

51:59

a couple of things from from Egypt's

52:02

perspective. Number one, they don't want to deal with the refugee crisis.

52:05

But number two, if we're being honest, Egypt also

52:07

doesn't want to deal with any

52:11

more Islamic

52:13

militants that could be hiding amongst

52:16

the population that's there in southern

52:18

Gaza that was enjoined with

52:20

Islamic Brotherhood factions that exist in Egypt

52:23

that have been giving them a lot of trouble for a long

52:25

time. They

52:27

blew up a plane some years

52:29

ago. And

52:31

so Egypt is looking

52:33

at this twofold. Number one, the first

52:36

thing is they don't want to deal with the refugee crisis.

52:38

And there's a cultural

52:42

and ideological, if you ask me, allegiance with a lot

52:44

of the people that are there in the south now.

52:46

They just don't want this to happen to them. And

52:48

number two, they don't want an influx of

52:50

people, some who they might

52:53

deem to be bad actors, or not even

52:55

bad actors that are already bad actors, but

52:59

you'd have to think that some

53:01

of these people have been radicalized even more

53:03

so than they might have already been because

53:05

of what's going on. And then Egypt is

53:07

going to have to deal with them. The

53:10

only way to solve this problem is justice.

53:12

And justice is the one thing that Benjamin Netanyahu

53:15

seems to not care about for Palestinians. The

53:18

only way to solve this problem is justice. That's the only

53:20

way that you can solve it, right? He's

53:24

been very forthright about

53:26

rejecting the two-state solution, which

53:29

if you don't know, the

53:31

two-state solution is obviously Jewish

53:33

state and

53:36

Palestinian state, Israel and Palestine live in

53:38

side by side with

53:41

the right of self-determination for the Palestinian

53:43

people, both in Gaza and in the

53:45

West Bank, that there's a lot of things including

53:47

in that. It

53:49

might be the expulsion of the over 800,000 illegal

53:53

settlements, excuse me, not 800,000 settlements, 800,000

53:58

people that are living in the West Bank right now. in

54:01

settlements that are illegal according

54:03

to international law. People

54:06

that live in the Bantustan system there in the

54:08

West Bank that don't have a

54:10

good way to get around where

54:13

there are settlements, there are

54:15

towns that are non-contiguous, there's no way to

54:17

really get from the West Bank to Gaza

54:19

in a good way. You can't leave,

54:22

you can't come back, there are

54:25

four different types of ID cards. Your life

54:27

as a Palestinian living in that region is

54:31

anything but free. And

54:33

that's me being as charitable as I

54:35

can be to the entire situation. The

54:37

two-state solution was the best solution

54:39

for a lot of people. There have been a

54:41

lot of different attempts to make that a reality.

54:43

They've all fallen through. I think with

54:45

what we saw on October 7th, there

54:48

are many people in Israel at the top,

54:50

I would say, because there are vast,

54:54

vast disagreements inside

54:56

of Israel about the way this should be

54:58

going and how this should be

55:00

handled. And the

55:03

Lekuz and Benjamin Netanyahu are

55:06

increasingly becoming unpopular as

55:08

they increasingly become unwilling to

55:12

prioritize hostage

55:14

return in this

55:16

entire situation. They

55:18

are prioritizing military operation.

55:21

There are a lot of people back in

55:23

Israel, they're protests and the families are being

55:25

very loud about the fact that they want

55:27

their loved ones returned and they want hostage

55:29

negotiation prioritized. But there's a

55:31

military action to be done and that's what Netanyahu seems

55:33

to be preoccupied

55:35

with. Netanyahu

55:38

said he doesn't want this two-state solution. He

55:41

said that the two-state solution cannot happen right now

55:43

because he doesn't believe that

55:45

the Palestinians are responsible enough

55:47

to live next to the Israelis. In the same

55:49

interview that I watched, she said, well, what does

55:52

that mean? Does that mean the Palestinians having a

55:54

standing army? Does that mean the

55:56

Palestinians being able to buy weapons from Iran?

55:59

Does that mean... This does that mean that

56:01

and yeah, it means all of that

56:03

when you have not specifically buying

56:05

weapons from Iran like but when you

56:07

have The right to defense and

56:10

self-determination when you have the right

56:13

To protect your lives. That means you must have the

56:15

means to do it. That means all of that a

56:17

state is a state That's what

56:19

it is State and states

56:22

have militaries states have

56:24

weaponry states have armies states

56:26

have governments And if you're

56:28

talking about giving people freedom

56:31

or letting them have freedom then yeah, they're gonna they're

56:33

gonna need all of that stuff He says that

56:36

it's not a secure enough. He

56:39

doesn't believe in The

56:41

population I'm enough for them to be

56:43

able to have that. Okay, the other

56:50

Option is one Israeli

56:52

state where all of those people become

56:54

citizens Right

56:56

Israel from the river to the

56:58

sea fine cool one person won't vote

57:01

that will never happen I hear you said you can't

57:03

live next well, it'll never

57:06

happen because the demographics don't work

57:08

Yeah, there are so many people

57:10

that if you actually have a

57:13

state that is not an ethnos state where

57:18

Jewish supremacy is codified Then it there

57:20

might be a point where it's not

57:22

a land for Jewish people, right? Right

57:25

because one person will vote then

57:27

you never know you'd have to negotiate all

57:29

those things tonight. So the question is Is

57:33

there anything Left

57:37

for Palestinians besides

57:39

slaughter and

57:41

I'm asking that question I'm

57:44

really being as

57:48

Honest about it as I can be is Slaughter

57:52

the only option for Palestinians and I would

57:54

ask everyone that that cares about this and

57:56

cares about justice I would ask my friends

57:59

who was on Scientists I

58:01

would ask I would ask is there anything

58:03

other than slaughter that's available? So we're saying

58:05

a two-state solution doesn't work

58:08

a one-state solution doesn't work There

58:13

doesn't seem to be any humanitarian options

58:16

that that work right on Ruh has

58:18

been defunded So

58:21

aid schools all that another that

58:23

stuff works. Is there anything? Is

58:25

there any option? Other

58:28

than slaughter and if there is

58:30

an option other than slaughter explain

58:32

to me how we're going to get there and

58:36

The leadership of the United States of America NATO

58:42

People in the European Union everyone

58:44

in the Gulf States I'm talking about the

58:46

Sunni states the Shia states who

58:48

are vastly different in terms of the way

58:50

they want to deal with Israel All

58:53

of these people should be asking

58:55

this question of Israel because

58:59

Once again, I'm not lobbying

59:01

any huge and large accusations

59:04

here what I'm saying is

59:08

What seems to be being said is? the

59:11

only option is To

59:15

kill as many as we

59:17

can because when I say

59:19

as me as we can I want to understand

59:21

It's implicit that in order to kill Hamas people

59:23

to kill Hamas terrorists that you have to kill

59:25

some civilians So it doesn't matter whether

59:27

or not you're doing it on accident or on purpose. It really

59:30

doesn't matter It I

59:32

know it feels like it matters, but it

59:34

really doesn't matter It

59:36

doesn't matter whether or not you're doing it on accident on purpose.

59:39

It's like sure we're doing the best

59:41

we can I get it But like 12,000

59:43

dead kids is 12,000 dead kids if you

59:45

trust the numbers from the from the Palestinian

59:47

health industry They say that those are Hamas

59:49

numbers. There's no way there's no way to

59:51

when you get into a situation Where

59:54

there's no way to have accountability and

59:56

there's no way to have discussion then you're in

59:58

a no-win situation You're like you're

1:00:00

just in a no-way situation. I can't talk to

1:00:02

you about it, and I can't hold you accountable

1:00:04

I gotta let you do what you do, so

1:00:09

You're in the north go south you went

1:00:11

south Now they're killing

1:00:13

you in the south we'll go back north. There's

1:00:15

nothing north to go back to okay Well what

1:00:18

about should we start talking about two states? Well? No,

1:00:20

we can't talk about two states when I want to

1:00:22

run more Hamas for October 7th cool fine All right,

1:00:24

so then what happens to the Palestinian

1:00:27

people they have no homes to live

1:00:29

in All right, yeah, I have no homes to

1:00:31

live in Like Rafa's about

1:00:33

to be bombed out. You're gonna

1:00:35

have a refugee crisis of epic proportions these

1:00:37

other states around there are Not

1:00:39

going to take them because they

1:00:41

have their own internal problems some of which

1:00:43

are structural some of which are cultural right

1:00:47

it's Like

1:00:52

They're there there. I'm sorry

1:00:54

to say this and I know

1:00:56

that I don't want to be hyperbolic, but They're

1:01:00

calling them like

1:01:03

it is there any and

1:01:05

I would love to and I'm not I'm

1:01:07

not I Don't

1:01:11

know what you're asking valid questions Which is

1:01:13

why this has been such a fight

1:01:15

for so many years nobody has the

1:01:17

answer other than war not that

1:01:20

That's the answer, but I'm just saying that

1:01:22

just seems fighting seems to be

1:01:24

the only thing that actually does get

1:01:26

done clears my question Do

1:01:29

you think that? Because you

1:01:32

talk about is the only way slaughter there's

1:01:34

my question which People

1:01:37

in general are you specifically talking about

1:01:39

the Palestinians because of what's happening right

1:01:41

now? People are upset.

1:01:44

I said earlier Egypt

1:01:46

is Potentially talk if they keep bombing it

1:01:49

to the Rafa crossing like Egypt's

1:01:51

talking about possibly like breaking their

1:01:54

treaty and doing something Will it

1:01:56

involve other people where they join

1:01:58

in the fight? And

1:02:00

there's just slaughter period. Well,

1:02:02

I mean, so like the reason

1:02:04

why, okay, let's say, let's take the situation

1:02:06

in Ukraine. Right. Let's take the situation in

1:02:08

Ukraine. So, and

1:02:11

by the way, if you

1:02:14

look at this holistically and I don't claim

1:02:16

to be an expert on geo, geo politics,

1:02:19

I read, I stay up on stuff, whatever. This

1:02:26

unilateral action, the world

1:02:28

to be damned. This is learned behavior.

1:02:31

The United States has been guilty of this. The

1:02:34

United States has 9 11

1:02:36

happened. They build a flimsy coalition based on bullying. And

1:02:38

then they go in and they take over the countries

1:02:40

they want to take over. Like

1:02:44

had our post

1:02:46

9 11 action been

1:02:48

actually about trying

1:02:51

to, uh, uh, root

1:02:54

out Al Qaeda and kill Osama

1:02:56

bin Laden. Um, if

1:02:58

we use the scalpel and serve a

1:03:01

meat cleaver are moral standing

1:03:03

on this issue could probably be a lot

1:03:05

different. Right. We

1:03:07

often don't ask permission before we go

1:03:09

into a nation and, you know, Larry

1:03:11

Lee take action to affect the type

1:03:13

of, uh, military end that

1:03:16

we deem we've drone, we

1:03:20

break humanitarian and international

1:03:22

law. So you get

1:03:24

into a situation now where

1:03:26

this is politically nonviable

1:03:28

for the administration here now. And

1:03:31

I think that has a lot to do with why they are

1:03:34

applying the type of pressure that they're applying from

1:03:36

a moral standpoint. They don't

1:03:38

really have much of a leg to stand on because

1:03:41

the reality is like, if,

1:03:45

uh, if I'm the Israeli

1:03:47

brass, I say we have

1:03:50

more of a

1:03:52

need to go into Gaza than you did to go

1:03:54

into Iraq. We

1:03:56

have more of it. Like

1:03:58

you. put

1:04:01

together a murder board

1:04:04

and connected all of these dots that weren't

1:04:06

really true, and then bullied your

1:04:08

friends to help you out, and then you

1:04:10

went there and did this, right? Like

1:04:12

we know that people did something and

1:04:15

then they went back over here, so you

1:04:17

can't really tell us what we're going to

1:04:19

do and not going to do to defend

1:04:21

our people. So United States is in

1:04:23

a bad position philosophically

1:04:28

to challenge Israel on this, because we've been such bad

1:04:30

actors in the world. The reason

1:04:32

why I ask the question

1:04:34

about slaughter is

1:04:37

because if you take the situation in Ukraine,

1:04:39

right? Well,

1:04:42

if you're Ukrainian, if you're Zelensky, if you're one

1:04:44

of his, you know what their option

1:04:47

is? Their option is to fight. And

1:04:49

why is their option to fight? Their option

1:04:51

is to fight because they're being funded by

1:04:53

the West in order to fight. They're

1:04:56

being funded by the West. They're being funded

1:04:58

by the West to fight. They're fighting the

1:05:00

people that have invaded their country. They're

1:05:03

fighting them. Okay? And

1:05:05

so they're being given some

1:05:07

agency to defend themselves. This

1:05:10

situation is more tricky because this

1:05:13

attack on October 7th was launched by

1:05:15

Hamas, right? And

1:05:18

whatever context you want to put it in, what

1:05:20

happened on October 7th was disgusting,

1:05:25

murderous, and abhorrent,

1:05:29

right? So you got to get Hamas,

1:05:31

you got to go to where Hamas is, you got to

1:05:33

root out Hamas, you got to do it however you have

1:05:35

to do it, whatever. My thing is this.

1:05:40

No one is going to help the Palestinians fight

1:05:43

Israel, except for some

1:05:46

Iranian groups, maybe some Lebanese

1:05:49

groups, whatever. No major

1:05:51

state is going to help them, right?

1:05:54

No one can make Israel stop. No

1:05:58

one can get humanitarian. stuff in there

1:06:01

because that's seen as an affront to

1:06:03

what Israel is doing. The

1:06:05

question is, what

1:06:08

is there left to do? Like

1:06:12

if you ask this question to

1:06:14

people who I have conversations with them and

1:06:16

these are people that I'm talking to in

1:06:18

good faith, like people

1:06:21

who I believe to be good people, right?

1:06:23

And I'm asking them, okay

1:06:25

so the only way to do it

1:06:27

is you just kill as many people

1:06:30

as you can kill until you feel

1:06:32

like you've killed enough people. You feel

1:06:34

like you've done enough and then you stop.

1:06:36

Well after you stop doing that, everything

1:06:39

is gone. I

1:06:41

watched a woman today that talked about her

1:06:43

child was killed.

1:06:46

She said she will hate

1:06:49

them until she dies. She'll

1:06:51

hate them forever. Like

1:06:54

what is being accomplished here? Like

1:06:57

and so that's the only thing I'm asking.

1:06:59

Like when I see Netanyahu, he's so sure

1:07:01

and when I see Biden, they're mimicking.

1:07:03

I mean the

1:07:06

question is really you're just you're asking

1:07:08

people just to sit

1:07:10

back and just go okay just all right cool.

1:07:12

Like literally you're asking the whole world to go okay cool

1:07:14

just kill as many people as you need to. And

1:07:18

maybe that's the way it works geopolitically. I

1:07:20

don't know kill as many people as you need to.

1:07:22

When you ask it like that it's so

1:07:24

upfront and harsh. It's like wow.

1:07:27

All right. I mean I'm just I look you

1:07:31

guys I certainly don't want to eat but

1:07:33

I'm just saying the offensive

1:07:35

is gonna happen in Raffa. There's

1:07:38

like no place to go. You're literally

1:07:40

pushing people. That's what I'm saying. It's

1:07:43

like intentional. And it just

1:07:45

well certainly it's intentional. But you

1:07:47

know what I mean I'm when I said is this been the plan

1:07:49

all along. Yeah and so like I just I just

1:07:51

ask like I want to hear

1:07:53

from people who are much more

1:07:56

because we need to revisit this. We

1:07:59

haven't talked about it. as much on the podcast. I

1:08:01

want to hear from people who are much more

1:08:03

educated on this than I am. I want

1:08:07

to have talks here. And when we have these talks, man,

1:08:09

I want you guys to

1:08:11

understand that I can speak

1:08:13

for Rachel and Donnie and

1:08:15

Ashley when I say that what

1:08:18

we, the lens

1:08:20

that we use here on higher learning when we

1:08:22

discuss something is for the justice, safety

1:08:26

and agency for all people. That's

1:08:30

whether you're a Jew living in

1:08:32

Tel Aviv or Jerusalem

1:08:37

or you're a Palestinian

1:08:39

living in Rafa or

1:08:41

Gaza city or

1:08:43

Ramallah. So

1:08:46

that's it. There's nothing more than that.

1:08:48

This is state criticism of a state,

1:08:51

not of a people. I

1:08:54

don't know anyone who

1:08:56

doesn't want the safety and security agency

1:09:02

of Jewish people. I don't

1:09:04

anyone who wants that. And

1:09:07

I don't, but what I want to know is just

1:09:14

how many kids got to die. Yeah. We'll

1:09:17

take a break. All right. Masculinity

1:09:21

painting your nails with

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on Higher Learning, we've been talking about issues

1:11:01

of masculinity, sexuality, all the

1:11:05

shualities here. A

1:11:07

friend of mine, a really

1:11:10

talented young man. Mitch,

1:11:13

how long we known each other now? Shit,

1:11:15

I don't know. I feel like I met you

1:11:17

when I first moved to LA, or before, honestly.

1:11:19

So it's going on six or seven years. Six

1:11:21

or seven years, man. Demetrius Harmon, internet

1:11:24

personality, actor, writer, poet. I

1:11:28

first knew him because the skits

1:11:30

were so hilarious. I'm like, God damn,

1:11:33

this dude is fucking talented. And

1:11:36

since then, Mitch's movement, You

1:11:38

Matter, the hoodies, all of it, he's

1:11:41

just upgraded to

1:11:43

different levels every time. I see

1:11:46

the You Matter hoodies all over

1:11:48

the place. I have some. They

1:11:50

are very comfortable and have a

1:11:52

very important message. I feel like,

1:11:54

Mitch, that first

1:11:56

of all, welcome to Higher Learning. Thank you for

1:11:58

joining us. Thank you. But I feel like

1:12:00

that with all the stuff

1:12:03

you do, you're also very meaningful to

1:12:06

scores and scores and scores of young

1:12:08

people who look up to you, which

1:12:11

is why the conversation that you recently

1:12:13

got into on Twitter was

1:12:16

so interesting to me. My first question

1:12:18

for you is, nigga, you gay? No.

1:12:21

Let me talk. What happened? So

1:12:24

I saw this entire conversation. What

1:12:26

happened? So I saw

1:12:28

this entire conversation happen around

1:12:31

a fashion choice that

1:12:33

you make, a style choice that you make, you

1:12:36

paint your nails, and then you went

1:12:38

on a long back and forth on

1:12:40

Twitter talking with people about

1:12:43

what that means, about sexuality,

1:12:45

about masculinity. Just get us

1:12:47

into it a little bit so we can open up the conversation.

1:12:50

I mean, I'm a fucking... I'm a Twitter guy. I'm

1:12:52

a TikTok guy. You know what I mean? I

1:12:54

just joke. You know what

1:12:56

I mean? So I didn't expect that shit to... I

1:13:00

have posted the video just because I'm trying to get people

1:13:02

to go to my TikTok, to TikTok

1:13:06

pandas. You know what I mean? You

1:13:09

got the for you page and the following. I

1:13:11

don't really be on Twitter just because I

1:13:14

don't like too much pointless discourse, like

1:13:17

back and forth. I see a lot of things where I'd

1:13:19

be like, y'all, it just happened to be... Because it's something...

1:13:21

A topic is presented in front of you. You're wasting a

1:13:23

lot of energy as well as Twitter is paying niggas for

1:13:26

interaction, so you see a lot of interaction, baby. So

1:13:29

I get back on. I see on my for

1:13:31

you page, somebody put tweet me.

1:13:33

I'm like, yo, niggas, y'all ain't got to act like

1:13:35

this, boo. Just say you gay and go about

1:13:37

your day, bro. I'm like, oh! I

1:13:39

didn't realize this was even happening under my pulse.

1:13:41

I'm being pretty like such. So

1:13:45

I want to say I started my day. And

1:13:48

we talked about it last time, you did a

1:13:50

podcast of where I am

1:13:52

with public opinion. People

1:13:55

think I'm transphobic for a situation that happens.

1:13:58

So I was debunking that. That's

1:14:00

when I saw the other things over. It's like a full

1:14:02

day of just like open dialogue, but I

1:14:06

was speaking that so that's we and I was like, oh

1:14:08

like this isn't a real thing You know, I mean like

1:14:10

I don't really argue people especially

1:14:12

on in that It's usually

1:14:14

for the sake of conversation or like when

1:14:16

I do choose to share my opinion It's

1:14:18

somehow very much so like not feel strongly

1:14:20

about but it's like This

1:14:22

is stupid. I mean, it's a

1:14:24

lot of can be positive. I'm like That

1:14:27

doesn't bother me at all You know I mean, but

1:14:29

like why is that where you're like, I'm

1:14:32

more so asking the question I want you to further

1:14:34

explain yourself. It's like yeah, this

1:14:36

this nail black paint on

1:14:38

my fingers is where you Are

1:14:41

like not it's not man. You know, I mean I see

1:14:43

like a lot of like tweets or like Comments

1:14:45

my in a video IG where it's

1:14:48

like no we're gonna because oh geez boom

1:14:50

Oh, you feel me like where I

1:14:52

was raised you feel me is like a man

1:14:54

Take care of his lady take care his mom

1:14:57

Be somebody the children your family to look up to

1:14:59

you take care of the bill if you make sure

1:15:01

it's even good And you work

1:15:04

hard and you're responsible and you you feel

1:15:06

me like a trustworthy person That's what it

1:15:08

means is anything else is just extras, you

1:15:10

know, I mean like Again,

1:15:13

it's Twitter just people. I don't know. I'm really

1:15:15

giving fuck about the opinion, but it's more so

1:15:17

just like the intellectual You

1:15:20

know what the intellectual exercise of it

1:15:23

Yeah, it's like it's like I'm sitting the

1:15:25

tweet out and murder my dog and but

1:15:27

I'm on the smoker I'm like really not

1:15:29

a thing that bothered me you feel me

1:15:31

It was just more so like again,

1:15:33

like you said is people that look up to me That

1:15:37

may not have the same like mental fortitude to

1:15:39

where she don't affect me Oh, you know mean

1:15:41

like I see somebody I probably be like I'm

1:15:44

a gay masking present In

1:15:46

a man you feel me like I don't want to pay my nails by

1:15:48

shit for it You know, I mean like you

1:15:50

made me who's gonna do this. It looks great.

1:15:52

You know, I'm gonna defend y'all I'm gonna defend

1:15:54

this for y'all. You see that I don't

1:15:56

really need to explain myself to like a

1:15:58

nigga with a eye to a good You feel me? Like,

1:16:00

they not making or breaking my day. You

1:16:05

know what I mean? Bill's still getting paid. Work's

1:16:08

still getting done. People in my life, it's my

1:16:10

family. People in my family, people

1:16:12

I love still love and accept me for

1:16:15

whoever I decide to present myself as that

1:16:17

day. And so, again, I said in

1:16:19

a tweet, I'm like, I take care of my lady. You feel me? I'm

1:16:21

like, I'm a straight man. I'm a, give you the facts.

1:16:23

But then again, it's like, if I was again, what would

1:16:25

that take away from me being a man? You

1:16:28

know, and now it's like the, let's

1:16:31

talk about it. You feel me? Like, I'm

1:16:33

not a part of the community, but I

1:16:35

don't understand why a lot

1:16:37

of our masculinity is represented in like

1:16:41

all these toxic things still. Yeah. I

1:16:44

feel like it's changing too. And that's why I love

1:16:46

what you said about someone reaching out

1:16:48

and saying, hey, you're making me feel more comfortable because

1:16:50

I have two nephews. They paint

1:16:52

their nails. They don't think anything of

1:16:54

it. And it seems like this next

1:16:56

generation, they look at it as art. Oh, this is

1:16:59

my favorite color. Hey, I want to paint my nails.

1:17:01

And there's no type of stigma that's tied to it.

1:17:05

But my question is, why do

1:17:07

you think there seems to be a selective

1:17:09

outrage? Because I feel like there's some men

1:17:12

that nobody cares that they do it,

1:17:14

right? Jason Momoa paints his nails. Nobody

1:17:16

really says anything. Or at

1:17:18

least I don't see it. Dwayne Wade paints his

1:17:20

nails. Nobody really says anything. Oh, they be on

1:17:22

his ass. Do it. They be on his ass

1:17:24

for other reasons. They

1:17:27

be on Dwayne Wade's ass. I

1:17:29

think it's like, okay, we'll take him out. Like

1:17:31

Jason Momoa, I don't really see people. And maybe

1:17:33

if he's not black, I don't know. I'm asking

1:17:36

you the question. Why do you think there's a

1:17:38

selective outrage? I think black

1:17:40

people for a long time was

1:17:42

only focused on survival and now

1:17:44

we got too much time in our hands. But I also think

1:17:46

outside of black people, I

1:17:48

think men, they don't aspire to be like that man.

1:17:53

In certain degrees, you know what I

1:17:55

mean? Like there's... were

1:18:00

more stocky, dual,

1:18:04

Lisa Bonet. You know what I mean? It's a whole lot of

1:18:06

things, right? You look at him, I don't know. So you just

1:18:08

see the nail polish, it's like maybe I don't want to paint

1:18:10

my nails, but he got his life going

1:18:12

on, you feel me? And so I just think like,

1:18:16

I don't know, it's definitely selective outrage, but

1:18:18

it's just like, it's

1:18:20

pointless outrage, bro. You know what I mean?

1:18:22

Like, it's not really making or

1:18:24

breaking nothing. You know what I mean? There's

1:18:26

a lot of outrage about me painting my

1:18:28

nails. There's not enough outrage about me and

1:18:31

being misogynistic and things like that, because

1:18:33

that's what's accepted. That's what makes you a man. You know

1:18:36

what I mean? You saw like, I don't know,

1:18:38

it's strange, but I do think it's more so

1:18:40

in the black community. I would say it's definitely

1:18:42

a lot of, in general, being

1:18:44

a man, but I would say like a

1:18:46

large perspective of it is the black

1:18:48

community. Let me ask you a question. Ask

1:18:52

me any question. When

1:18:55

you're having a conversation, as

1:18:58

black men, because

1:19:01

I do this too, right? I

1:19:05

would like to get everybody's opinion on this, because I do this

1:19:07

too. When I'm defending

1:19:11

members of the LGBTQ plus community,

1:19:13

gay people, whatever, I always

1:19:15

feel the need to say, I'm not

1:19:17

gay. I do

1:19:20

that. Really? Yeah, I always feel

1:19:22

the need to say, hey, I'm

1:19:24

not gay, but let me

1:19:27

tell you about this and this

1:19:29

and this and that. Why

1:19:32

do we do that? Why do

1:19:34

we do that? Yeah. I

1:19:36

would say this is the first time I've ever stated that

1:19:40

I'm straight. Oh, okay. I've never felt the

1:19:42

need to do so. You know what I mean? But

1:19:45

also I don't post my relationships. You know what I

1:19:47

mean? You know what I mean?

1:19:49

So it was just, hey, this is what it is. I'm

1:19:51

not, and that's what I also put, even

1:19:54

if I was, you know

1:19:56

what I mean? Cause I'm not saying being gay is

1:19:58

a bad thing. That's the. That's what I was

1:20:00

like to say, if I was like, no,

1:20:02

I'm straight, bro, and then defend my choice,

1:20:05

it's more so like, whatever you wanna think of

1:20:07

me or think I am or like whatever sexuality

1:20:09

you believe I have, let's put that on me

1:20:11

as well as like, if you think I'm gay,

1:20:14

what did that stop me from being a man?

1:20:16

You know what I mean? I am straight and

1:20:19

I also do this thing, you know what I mean? But

1:20:21

like- Why do you pay the nails? I love

1:20:23

like art. Like right now I got

1:20:25

speaker box nails. Oh, I'll cash

1:20:27

it. Yeah, you feel me? But

1:20:32

it's just a way to express yourself, you feel

1:20:34

me? It's been more healthy for me to do

1:20:37

like my nails or like you see me, I

1:20:39

was always having crazy ass colors in my hair,

1:20:41

you know what I mean? Like coming

1:20:43

from self-harmon, it was

1:20:45

self-harmon, then I would get a bunch of tattoos because

1:20:48

it would replace that feeling like the pain there but

1:20:50

I always loved art. You'd be able to

1:20:52

draw my hands, I used to draw in school, you know what

1:20:54

I mean? So like trying to

1:20:56

have a healthier way to express yourself

1:20:59

that also doesn't hurt yourself or leave you with

1:21:01

like permanent, something permanently in your body, you know

1:21:03

what I mean? Yeah. And

1:21:05

then see me, I had birthday outfit, I'd get

1:21:07

the matching nails with the fit, that shit was

1:21:09

crazy. I had- I'm a nail person. This

1:21:13

is Robin inspired nails, so like all the different

1:21:15

types of like, since I had his hair when

1:21:17

I turned 23, I had like the

1:21:20

85 Jordans, I don't know if you feel me,

1:21:22

Dennis Robin nails, nigga, but shit

1:21:24

really niggas can tell, you know what I mean?

1:21:26

But like, it's funny to the video, like in

1:21:29

a video, like

1:21:31

even in skits like we used to do like the

1:21:33

Angela, they all were improv. So

1:21:35

I just, you just turn the camera on, you start talking, that's

1:21:38

still how the videos are now. So I just start talking. I

1:21:40

know I got 15 seconds at the end of it,

1:21:42

I'm like, hold on, a little shorty, boom, I like

1:21:44

color unit. Like I'm not doing this to attract women,

1:21:46

I'm doing this for myself, you know what I mean?

1:21:48

But I'm like, it's funny that like,

1:21:51

any negative feedback I've gotten in person,

1:21:53

and it's never in person, it's never

1:21:55

like this in person, but any

1:21:58

negative feedback in the comments, really, I, Why

1:22:00

you put your nose? It's always a dude. And

1:22:02

I'm like, this raises the question where

1:22:04

it's like, a dude is more concerned about what I'm doing

1:22:06

than like a woman, either they like it or they don't

1:22:08

like it. But if they don't like it, they ask the

1:22:10

other thing, if they do, it's a compliment. You know what

1:22:12

I mean? A dude is typically the one that's like coming

1:22:15

out of their body to like basically try

1:22:17

to police my masculinity, you know what

1:22:19

I'm saying? Why do you think we do that to each other? Yeah,

1:22:21

that's what I was gonna say. I

1:22:24

think there's a lot of our identity. Being

1:22:26

a man is a lot of like a man's identity. And

1:22:30

it's for a long time, it was very like a small, narrow

1:22:33

room of what makes a man. You

1:22:36

know what I mean? It was like very stupid

1:22:38

things like gather or hunter, you

1:22:40

know, provider, you know what I mean? Like I

1:22:42

feel like a body, not even a body, but

1:22:44

things that are toxic is just as

1:22:46

a man, I know like, if I met with my

1:22:48

lady, like I was raised by my mom and my

1:22:51

dad, Southern grandma from Alabama, you feel

1:22:53

me? I'm not gonna let her go up and down

1:22:55

the street. You know what

1:22:57

I'm saying? Those things, if I'm not a

1:22:59

man, if I protect you, you know what I mean?

1:23:01

Like that's my role in your life. But those are

1:23:03

the things, you feel me? Nothing

1:23:05

else, literally nothing else, you

1:23:07

know what I mean? It's like the positive

1:23:10

things though. You know, I mean, protect, provide

1:23:13

those things, make sure everybody's straight, like everybody's

1:23:16

safe. That's what being a man

1:23:18

is to me. And like has always been

1:23:20

a steal to me as such. We

1:23:22

talk about gender roles a lot. We call

1:23:24

them gender wars on this podcast.

1:23:27

And I guess

1:23:30

going back to what I was saying with my nephews, do

1:23:33

you think that certain gender roles

1:23:35

are just gonna exist always, like stereotypes? Like

1:23:37

no matter how hard you try, you fight

1:23:39

for 50-50 equality, there's just

1:23:41

certain things that are so embedded in us that

1:23:44

it like you talking about walking on the outside of the

1:23:46

street, you know? Like that kind of stuff is just there.

1:23:49

Do, but do you see, going back

1:23:51

to my nephews, do you see the

1:23:53

tide changing a bit where people are

1:23:55

loosening what those roles are? definitely

1:24:00

in life, like my

1:24:05

brother, I'm the youngest of three

1:24:07

older brothers and my brother, his

1:24:11

son was like, yeah, I want a person for Christmas. I see him

1:24:13

on the beach with a person. He's

1:24:15

like, I'm like, you could do it if you want.

1:24:17

But like my brother's reaction, my brother's a hood street

1:24:19

nigga. You know what I mean? And his reaction was

1:24:21

just like, you not old

1:24:24

enough to be saying those things. Like in a

1:24:26

sense of like, make the decisions, but know

1:24:28

why you're making decisions. Don't do it because you look up to

1:24:30

your uncle and you want it to be like him. He like

1:24:33

asked him why he has a brother. He asked my other person, I

1:24:35

was like, to carry stuff, bro.

1:24:37

Like, you know what I mean? But it's a

1:24:39

Louis Vuitton person. I'm not gonna walk. If I need to carry my

1:24:41

laptop, I can get a jazz support backpack. I'm like, do you want

1:24:43

to carry stuff? Or do you want it like, this is

1:24:45

a fashion thing. You guys want to carry stuff? You get a backpack,

1:24:47

get a fanny bag. You know what I mean? That opens up his

1:24:50

eyes to it. But I maybe say five,

1:24:52

six years ago, if I wasn't like, so

1:24:54

comfortable being who I am, not

1:24:57

even the influence on like my nephew. You

1:25:00

know what I mean? The influence on my brother

1:25:02

to be open to things. You know

1:25:04

what I mean? Like, my brother is open to a

1:25:06

lot more things as well. It's like, viciously

1:25:09

defensive of me when anybody approaches

1:25:11

him with any like malicious

1:25:13

intent or malicious thought about the way I choose to

1:25:15

carry my life. That

1:25:18

might not have fell down on his kids. You know what

1:25:20

I mean? That type of patience or allowing to be himself.

1:25:22

You know what I mean? Like, I think it might have

1:25:24

to be one of the first and it was really like,

1:25:26

I just want a person. He was

1:25:28

that first. But I think the

1:25:32

ability to allow him to think for himself as

1:25:34

well as like further had a conversation

1:25:36

of just like, what is it that you want to do with yourself?

1:25:38

You know what I mean? I think that

1:25:40

it's safer because no one's hurting

1:25:43

anyone. You know what I

1:25:45

mean? And no one's being

1:25:47

stopped to be who they are. When

1:25:49

you can't be yourself or

1:25:51

at least think for yourself, you know what I

1:25:53

mean? Like, without the exterior consequences

1:25:55

of what people think of you.

1:26:00

It just eats you up a lot. Yeah, for sure. It

1:26:03

makes me think about the color pink. Like,

1:26:05

remember growing up, it was like you

1:26:07

men cannot wear pink at all. Then

1:26:10

Cameron came out and it just

1:26:12

changed the conversation. Then

1:26:15

you're going to be Cameron. Yeah. Yeah.

1:26:19

I mean, most of the stuff

1:26:21

is pretty arbitrary, but we are so

1:26:23

girded up about it. Yeah. We're so

1:26:25

serious about it. It

1:26:28

was people that were saying Meech was part

1:26:30

of the agenda. When did

1:26:32

you make the decision to be a part of the agenda?

1:26:35

How did they approach you? Did they? When

1:26:39

they were inducting you into the

1:26:41

agenda, because they haven't

1:26:43

come to me yet to be a part of it, but

1:26:45

when they were inducting you to be a part of the

1:26:47

agenda, how does that work? Like, what did they do?

1:26:49

Did they come to you? No, but

1:26:51

the shit is crazy too. Like,

1:26:57

for me, you feel me? Like, man,

1:27:01

I'm just a regular nigga that it just works for

1:27:03

you. Know what I mean? Like, I just so happened

1:27:06

to have a phone like right. Like the generation I'm

1:27:08

in, I'm born in 1998. It's like,

1:27:10

I remember having a PC to run. I remember having

1:27:12

dial up. I remember, you know what I mean? But

1:27:14

like, also Instagram came out

1:27:16

when I graduated from eighth grade. So I

1:27:18

got to see it from its beginning. We

1:27:21

weren't getting money. I remember seeing creators just on

1:27:23

YouTube to be a creator. And there's maybe 30

1:27:25

people that I can pay for YouTube and it's

1:27:27

a thousand credits. You know what I mean? And

1:27:29

so like, it's always been seen

1:27:32

very normal for me. This wasn't like my career

1:27:34

path. You know what I mean? It just happened

1:27:36

and worked. But I was growing up through it.

1:27:38

I was growing up with social media.

1:27:40

You know what I mean? Like, I was

1:27:42

becoming and going through my adolescence through social

1:27:45

media. Being a thing like Vine came out when I was in

1:27:47

eighth grade. It got the leader when I was 12. And

1:27:51

so like, I'm just

1:27:54

a regular nigger. You know what I mean? Like that, but

1:27:56

I'm larger in life to some people because they see a

1:27:58

million fathers. So they see a very. You know what

1:28:00

I mean? Or like boom boom, but it's like,

1:28:02

bro, I come back home. I'm from Detroit, Michigan

1:28:04

I'm from Joy-Rough in Detroit. You know what I

1:28:07

mean? Like how do the guys how

1:28:09

do the guys in Detroit? When

1:28:11

you're out on the street, how do they react to your

1:28:13

nails being painted? So I

1:28:15

might even notice my My

1:28:20

city I'm from you know, I mean like a lot of

1:28:22

niggas know me like they know my family

1:28:24

You know I mean so like like

1:28:26

I said, it's not even like like tough guy shit, but

1:28:28

it's just like A lot

1:28:30

of this shit does not happen in person. It

1:28:33

won't ever happen first You know I mean like

1:28:36

and that's just it's just funny to me like the

1:28:38

juxtaposition I like yeah like stop him

1:28:40

on the others But like I'm not the nigga that you

1:28:42

go like approach and be on bullshit with you

1:28:44

know, I mean and that's just cuz in the sense

1:28:46

of It's jokes like

1:28:49

your spark a nigga to talk your

1:28:51

shit You

1:28:53

got the fucking eight on you, bro. You're Walking

1:28:58

And that's not like threats type shit But it's just like

1:29:00

like I said like the demeanor of a man You know

1:29:02

I mean like you have to approach

1:29:04

me correctly you have to approach people

1:29:06

are wrong correctly You got respect what we got

1:29:09

going on You know I mean if you don't

1:29:11

like not even like oh you and you packed

1:29:13

about blood It's like you're not gonna allow to

1:29:15

even enter that space. You feel good me

1:29:17

like what that again. It's like You

1:29:21

Take me pay my nails and side. I'm not

1:29:23

man and if you try like the approach you

1:29:25

from that perspective is not gonna work cuz like

1:29:28

Then none of those things should be an indication of such

1:29:30

right of course you know I mean And

1:29:33

so that allows you to completely ignore who I

1:29:35

am as a person who I present to you

1:29:37

for me to be like in The full spirit

1:29:39

things you know I'm saying like

1:29:42

I think you should do more videos like this I

1:29:44

know you said that this isn't your thing you do

1:29:46

tiktok You don't really do a pain in base, but

1:29:48

look at the beautiful conversation We're having in all the

1:29:51

dialogue that was on Twitter you should do more of

1:29:53

this you should do more. I might I

1:29:55

might yeah It's

1:29:58

funny. I just don't do a patient like what y'all be is

1:30:00

a soul. My opinion is that your things are stupid.

1:30:03

And they are. And

1:30:05

it's like, I was telling me, because

1:30:09

of the particular situation

1:30:12

I'm in with you matter being

1:30:18

such an uplifting brand, and that's

1:30:21

my whole thing. I just want to save

1:30:23

space for everybody. But if niggas

1:30:25

is awesome, weirdo broke shit, I'm going to call

1:30:27

you weirdo broke shit. But then it's like,

1:30:29

bro, I thought you said you matter. You know what I mean? I

1:30:31

just try to keep my opinions to myself because it can be harsh.

1:30:34

You know what I mean? And it's like, let me

1:30:36

not get to going on my flow

1:30:38

to crazy. But like, I've been looking at the shit

1:30:40

that we said, I was like, this is stupid. Y'all

1:30:42

are stupid. Y'all got shit going on. But

1:30:45

you know what? You should come out with a different hoodie.

1:30:49

And it could be all kinds of weird. I'm serious.

1:30:51

It says not you don't matter. You don't matter. Some

1:30:53

of y'all don't. Some of y'all don't matter. It

1:30:57

should say weirdos matter too. I will

1:31:00

buy that. Because the weirdos look, here's the

1:31:02

thing about the people out here that's like

1:31:05

flying the flag of what you think masculinity

1:31:07

is. First of all, I just have to

1:31:09

be honest with you. And

1:31:11

I don't want to go too deep. You

1:31:14

have an incredibly, incredibly

1:31:17

Western European idea of

1:31:19

what masculinity is. And

1:31:21

I do this all the time. I do this all the

1:31:23

time. I was like, yo,

1:31:26

my man, you say paying

1:31:28

your nails is for

1:31:32

women. What if I can show you Egyptians that

1:31:35

are doing it? What if I can show you all

1:31:37

of the stuff that you say? You say wearing a

1:31:39

wrap around, the skirt is whatever. What if I can

1:31:41

show you Africans and all of these different people that

1:31:43

are doing this? What if I tell you it was

1:31:45

a white man who dressed you up in pants and

1:31:48

did you all of this stuff and told you all

1:31:50

of this stuff was masculine and this stuff? What if

1:31:52

I told you that if I showed you this, would

1:31:55

you then? No, you wouldn't because you're

1:31:57

trying to be a man in the

1:31:59

eye. of

1:32:01

what you think is a

1:32:03

man, which is a white man. You're trying to

1:32:05

be a white man. It's his idea of masculinity

1:32:07

that you aspire to. I don't even wanna get

1:32:10

into that because then you become like the Tim

1:32:12

Buck 2 nigga. It's just true. But

1:32:14

it's the truth, you know what I mean? Like nigga,

1:32:16

we just playing fly football. And

1:32:21

man, because my brother put me here

1:32:23

to like the Willie Lynch book like a while ago when

1:32:25

I was in high school. And it's

1:32:27

not real. This is what he was playing like

1:32:29

behind us. You feel me? You

1:32:32

just here. They should have dark black ass

1:32:34

up. And he's like, you might get my thumb. I'm like,

1:32:36

oh, this is still, this

1:32:38

is still present. I don't know how, I

1:32:40

don't know what's happening, but this shit is terrible. You

1:32:42

know what I mean? But it's like, I

1:32:44

talk to people a lot. Like even like right

1:32:47

now with Black Lives Matter and like handling when

1:32:49

you matter. Like I talk,

1:32:51

I speak a lot about like the insecurity

1:32:53

we have of like not having and

1:32:56

knowing our heritage and our lineage, you

1:32:58

know what I mean? Like that whole

1:33:00

thing are being stripped away from us. And

1:33:02

like having to make a culture from

1:33:04

the ground up. And then it's like, oh, you've got taken

1:33:06

away from our homes. And then when

1:33:08

we make something that's good enough and it's marketable,

1:33:11

they get taken away from us. You know what

1:33:13

I mean? So now it's country is not ours.

1:33:15

Now the blues are not ours. You know what

1:33:17

I mean? It's like the complete cycle over and

1:33:19

over again. It's like, what really is

1:33:21

the identity? Could be black. You

1:33:23

know what does it really mean? As well as like the

1:33:26

history of America, not

1:33:28

removing the indigenous people, but like when

1:33:30

people from outside of America, think about

1:33:32

America, it's black and

1:33:34

white and everybody else kind of came over

1:33:37

and was able to keep their story, their

1:33:39

legacy, their heritage intact. You know

1:33:41

what I mean? Like there's traces that can trace back

1:33:43

where they come from and being able to like still

1:33:46

feel like they're representative or

1:33:48

not representative. You know what I mean? Like I went

1:33:50

to New York hots, newborn

1:33:52

is the highest Arab

1:33:55

American. Arab Americans, yeah. Yeah,

1:33:57

and so, man. It'd

1:34:00

be toxic, but it'd be like, no,

1:34:02

you're disgracing our culture. And they can look back

1:34:04

and they can look at the Quran. And it's

1:34:06

not like, if you're

1:34:09

Muslim, a lot of Muslims, a majority

1:34:11

of Muslims are Arab. You know what I mean? I said,

1:34:13

there's not other Muslims from other cultures

1:34:15

or other races, but how

1:34:17

many different races and cultures are Christian.

1:34:20

You know what I mean? So when we look towards that book

1:34:22

that a lot of black people

1:34:24

are Christian, it's like, what does

1:34:26

this really represent for us? You know what I mean? That's

1:34:29

not even ours, you know what I mean? And so

1:34:32

just that whole thing, it's just like, how much of

1:34:34

this shit is ours? Yeah. What

1:34:37

are you subscribing to? You know what

1:34:39

I mean? That's why I said,

1:34:41

my heroes was my dad,

1:34:43

my mom. My mom taught me

1:34:45

how to be gentle with a woman and with myself. My

1:34:48

dad taught me what it means to really be

1:34:50

a man. You know what I mean? Like, I

1:34:52

just think if they come home, bloodshot eyes after

1:34:54

driving a truck for 12 hours, I'd

1:34:57

give that same work ethic to the

1:35:00

social media shit. You know what I mean? If

1:35:02

this what I'm choosing to do, then give it

1:35:05

your all and you can't. Just because it's 11

1:35:07

p.m. You know what I mean? Your team ain't

1:35:09

winning in the NFC. You know what I mean?

1:35:11

You still gotta work. You know what I mean?

1:35:14

you've got people that look up towards you. You know what I

1:35:16

mean? Yeah, being from Detroit. And that's like, who you would be

1:35:18

in a man is. Yeah, being

1:35:21

from Detroit, he had to work through

1:35:23

the losses because that's all that there were.

1:35:27

So, you know, his team was losing every Sunday.

1:35:30

So he had to show it. I didn't get

1:35:32

it. I didn't get it. You said something. You

1:35:34

said something. Like, he had to be resilient. So

1:35:38

shout out to him. Last question for me. Because

1:35:42

I remember, I

1:35:44

remember when I was

1:35:47

dating a girl, Paulette Gray. And-

1:35:50

Why you always name him? Because it's funny. Name drop, right?

1:35:52

Because she'll hit it and she'll remember. Name drop

1:35:54

is it. And so this was the first one

1:35:57

that was really like, you know, I remember she

1:35:59

looked at me one- time and she was like, she's

1:36:01

like, man, you're, you're too cute for your nails

1:36:04

to be dirty and stuff like that. And

1:36:06

I was like, Oh, like you care about that?

1:36:08

She was like, yeah, you should, you should clean

1:36:10

your nails and you should like,

1:36:13

make sure your nails are up kept. So I remember I

1:36:15

went and I got the whole nail

1:36:18

thing done. I got a

1:36:20

manicure. This is like 98. So I'm

1:36:22

like, this is before, this is the

1:36:24

year you were born. So this

1:36:27

is like, ha ha, funny. I

1:36:30

just know the time. I just know. Nah,

1:36:32

you like, cause I don't think, Oh, yeah.

1:36:34

I was a senior. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, so

1:36:36

I'm 43. Shut the fuck up. Meach. Like,

1:36:38

I can't get left.

1:36:45

I get you more

1:36:47

like, um, so I

1:36:49

remember I go and I get the, uh, the

1:36:52

manicure or whatever. And the

1:36:55

lady giving me the manicure, she goes, do you

1:36:57

want clear polish? And I was like,

1:37:01

sure. Like, why not? And

1:37:03

she put the clear polish on my shit. And

1:37:07

I remember looking at it like, Oh

1:37:09

my God, this

1:37:12

is beautiful. Like,

1:37:16

look at me, bro. I

1:37:18

was like, I was like, Oh

1:37:21

my God. I was like, look at

1:37:23

me. And I'm going around, you know, I

1:37:26

go over to her house and she's looking

1:37:28

at mine. Oh, I'm

1:37:30

like, look, I'm like, yeah, she's crazy.

1:37:32

Right. And I'm feeling the

1:37:34

best about it. I get home. My

1:37:37

dad comes in. My dad goes, what?

1:37:42

Come here. He's like,

1:37:44

huh? Well,

1:37:47

you were shiny nigga, huh? I

1:37:49

was like, he's like, Oh,

1:37:52

I see. I got a, I

1:37:54

got a shiny nigga in here. All right, nigga. Don't

1:37:57

shine too much now. That's all he

1:37:59

said. He let it go.

1:38:01

He's like don't shoot. He's like don't shot too much

1:38:04

He was just like, you know, my dad was saying to me. All right, man,

1:38:06

that's enough of that I can't tell people all that all the time but

1:38:08

like And the

1:38:10

question is I'm asking is like for me

1:38:14

I was trying too much now. So there is no

1:38:16

don't shine too much. He's like the question

1:38:18

for me is You

1:38:20

just said something cuz even in that

1:38:22

he didn't Tear me

1:38:25

apart for the clear fingernails or whatever. He just that

1:38:27

was his way of doing it He would always be

1:38:29

like Ivan cool. Just not too much of it. Whatever

1:38:31

it was He'd be like just because he knew he

1:38:33

knows I overindulge a part

1:38:35

of my confidence and a part of my sense of self

1:38:38

and This is so unfair

1:38:40

that so many brothers were about to say it's

1:38:42

cuz I had a father and I

1:38:44

had an example in

1:38:46

my home of Somebody that

1:38:49

didn't give a shit about anything

1:38:51

else other than their priorities Like

1:38:54

I had somebody was right there every day

1:38:57

That gave me an example and the

1:39:00

proximity To someone who

1:39:02

was just like this is what

1:39:05

counts in the world and

1:39:07

this is what doesn't count in the world He

1:39:10

was like you can go out there to be fake tough.

1:39:12

You'll be real dead He

1:39:15

was like he was just show me ways to

1:39:17

I just it just came from him And so

1:39:19

I would get out there and people would do

1:39:21

whatever they do and say whatever they say And

1:39:24

it was really only one one guy's

1:39:26

opinion who mattered, right? It was

1:39:28

really only one guy who who is cuz

1:39:31

I was so close to him It'd be

1:39:33

like I'd laugh. I nigga like whatever it

1:39:35

was How much

1:39:37

of your fortitude and how

1:39:39

strong you are comes from the fact that? You

1:39:44

had a father that you had somebody right

1:39:46

there Whose opinion

1:39:48

mattered who you know made you matter

1:39:50

when you look at somebody and you

1:39:52

say you matter You

1:39:54

know that you matter because a

1:39:56

man a black man made

1:39:58

you feel like you matter Because he took

1:40:00

care of you and poured into you and all of

1:40:02

that stuff and so many of the brothers that I

1:40:05

see And I listen to now No,

1:40:07

man, they're getting their masculinity from hip-hop.

1:40:10

They're getting a masculinity from their gang. They

1:40:12

go find a father somewhere and A

1:40:16

lot of these father figures that

1:40:18

they're making for themselves are just

1:40:20

wholly insufficient. They just don't know Is

1:40:24

that you know the mean it's not it's not the

1:40:26

right thing because some of these guys haven't even found

1:40:28

their man So yeah, how much of your confidence comes

1:40:30

from the fact that you had a dad at home

1:40:32

with you you think I Probably

1:40:34

say a lot of it cuz like me

1:40:36

my dad was gonna good terms like a lot You

1:40:39

know, I mean my dad's my

1:40:41

dad's dad passed my days 12 So

1:40:44

he's good. You know, I got 12 Right

1:40:48

and like I'm the I'm the more complicated

1:40:50

key that move on with my tough issues

1:40:52

I mean the artsy kid

1:40:54

that's on your computer all day What are

1:40:57

you talking about? I'm

1:41:00

the one that don't want to play the neighborhood kids, you

1:41:02

know, I'm the one that grew up in the house when

1:41:04

we moved out to that, you know, I mean so like

1:41:07

It was a bit of he didn't understand me It was

1:41:09

a bit of like I don't even know how to do

1:41:11

this as well as like I said throughout the brothers He

1:41:13

raised my brothers, but I'm his first

1:41:16

bottle. We had another one now my

1:41:18

younger brother always try not to exclude him, but

1:41:20

uh It's

1:41:23

different raising your blood, you know what I mean?

1:41:25

So you raised it through 12 through

1:41:27

18, but it's like oh, I

1:41:29

don't fuck you up at all So he was

1:41:31

just on me You know what I mean? And

1:41:34

we did like a documentary where we talked about the trauma or

1:41:36

something like that But I told him I'm like nigga.

1:41:39

You may have like use me

1:41:41

or anything like that But I never seen you

1:41:43

not take care of our family. You

1:41:45

know what I mean? I never seen you not When

1:41:48

it come down to it, just be focused on making sure we

1:41:51

good make sure we eat nigga I ain't never had a day

1:41:53

where I eat, you know, I mean

1:41:55

I just seen you be stressed out on some like Christmas

1:41:58

might not be how Christians was But

1:42:00

you were prioritizing making sure we stood you

1:42:02

know I mean like and I

1:42:05

would say the second part for me is having mom

1:42:07

They really accepted me. Mmm. I'm

1:42:10

really like Saw that

1:42:12

I was like a sensitive child. You know I

1:42:14

mean and like She never

1:42:16

got mad at me for crying You know I mean

1:42:18

where it was housing my daddy But you're crying and

1:42:21

that would be like his frustration anger of

1:42:23

like nigga. What the fuck is wrong now?

1:42:25

Oh my god, like me Damn,

1:42:28

you're good. Oh, it's hold this. Oh, this nigga like brother.

1:42:30

You tweak it out. He's overwhelmed.

1:42:32

It's okay You know I mean like

1:42:34

my mom took me to borders Like

1:42:36

so I can get the books I was interested in

1:42:38

never made me feel like we're for reading our job

1:42:40

You know I mean, but I would

1:42:42

say even now it's an adult And

1:42:46

like still like a fresh dog, you know 25 I

1:42:50

Would say that support system still there and still

1:42:53

is very important because like I've

1:42:56

been in our own on social media

1:42:58

I was saying like taste like where it's

1:43:00

been to a weird height Where

1:43:02

a lot of these are coming in at once and I gotta

1:43:04

be able to like just go away with

1:43:06

them This is off 18. You

1:43:08

know I mean and like That's

1:43:11

not really something anybody can prepare you for

1:43:13

it. My dad came. Yeah, just the

1:43:15

fuck deal you know I mean like he don't really

1:43:17

mean everything you shoes, you know I mean, but he

1:43:20

do know what it feel like to Get

1:43:23

lost in like the thoughts everybody else and the

1:43:25

pain there, but that's my mom. You know my

1:43:27

friend I Would say I

1:43:29

have a really good support system And

1:43:32

it's not even like they have to say

1:43:34

anything It's right you I mean like everybody

1:43:37

love me for me You know I mean

1:43:39

like in the comments like when I like

1:43:41

because I repost a screenshot repost on Instagram

1:43:44

Just especially when it's stuff about like

1:43:46

my character like I'm

1:43:48

not gonna defend Against me being

1:43:51

a stranger game that it changes nothing if

1:43:53

who I am You know I

1:43:55

mean, but if you're like, oh like me just gonna

1:43:57

focus or oh me scam me and I'm like that

1:43:59

didn't happen Let me clear this no

1:44:02

other things. I'm gonna always like Sit

1:44:04

on top of and be like this is not what we're

1:44:07

gonna do You feel me but in the

1:44:09

comments of that when I posted on IG like My

1:44:11

home roads is like it's funny that like you guess

1:44:14

if me How does he we talk to you about

1:44:16

you but like that people that have the blessing of

1:44:18

knowing you love you to death? Yeah, you know ain't

1:44:20

like that's all that matter That's

1:44:23