Professors Scott Greer and Holly Jarman from the University of Michigan Department of Health Management and Policy talk about public health and healthcare policy and how to create political change. This podcast accompanies the online course PH 384: Creating Change in Public Health. If you are interested in our research, more podcasts and blog posts from the HMP Governance Lab can be found at www.hmpgovernancelab.org and on Twitter at @HMPgovlab.