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It's a new day, yes it is! Ladies

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and gentlemen, please welcome to Wild and

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Crazy Guys, the Athletic Presents, Hogan Johns.

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Hogan for the win. We need to

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give a f***ing corner! We're going to

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consistently put players in position to succeed.

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The most important piece is we're going

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to take the North and never get

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it back. From CHG up,

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it's Adam Hoe. I don't think that

0:27

this is a full rebuild, but

0:29

you definitely have to re-attool your

0:31

roster. And from the Athletic, it's

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Adam Johns. Hey, what's up Flus?

0:35

We're going to have measurable ways

0:37

for standards of performance, every single

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rep, every single game. Anyways, who

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cares? Now, here they

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are, the Adams, Hogan

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Johns. What's up? Welcome

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in, Hogan Johns, with

0:50

you, with Kevin

0:54

Fishbane in the house. The Fishman is

0:56

here, a new mic is also in the

0:58

house for John Z. Everything's going to sound

1:00

good. Test one,

1:02

two, three, four. Overlays,

1:04

sounds pretty good. We're good. We're starting

1:06

to get angry, Johns. I was getting messages. About

1:11

the headphone setup,

1:13

the lack of a mic. Well,

1:15

you know, you have a good voice, and they don't like

1:18

when it doesn't sound good. I do have a great voice.

1:21

Yeah. And Kevin Fishbane,

1:25

he always sounds good too. And as

1:28

far as I can tell, doesn't have any mic problems

1:30

or problems in general. What's up, Kevin? No,

1:33

and I'm continuing to use this mic stand that

1:35

was really the, I think

1:37

the number one complaint, the

1:40

only complaint about my appearances in the show

1:42

was that I was not using a mic

1:44

stand. Nobody has ever said anything else about

1:46

my appearances. You were holding it. Yes,

1:48

they didn't like that. Before

1:50

we get going, we have to congratulate Kevin, the

1:53

Illinois sports writer of the year. Let's see if

1:55

I can get this right here. Is

1:57

this working? No, if you're watching.

2:00

I think you're too close to the camera.

2:02

Too close again. Is this the fireworks? No,

2:06

I don't know like

2:08

this maybe this no

2:11

this oh we got there it is Yes,

2:15

thank you fellows. Thank you guys if

2:17

you're watching on YouTube there's confetti on

2:20

Hogan Jans Yes, so you're

2:22

the sports writer of the year in

2:25

Illinois Jason Bennett he

2:27

was the sportscaster of the

2:29

year To which I

2:31

have to say please don't leave please don't leave us

2:33

for Detroit I was gonna say I'm not gonna

2:36

be covering the Lions as far as I know Next

2:39

oh god, I

2:41

mean covering games at this point. It's

2:43

true Well,

2:46

he would be if you were covering the Lions Yeah,

2:48

I mean now oh

2:51

you're saying I thought you're saying the Bears might actually be doing

2:53

that but no you were talking Okay,

2:55

yes, okay, so that was a shot Yeah,

2:59

not a Kevin of course but Well

3:02

in all seriousness congrats, that's a huge honor

3:06

Thank you guys. Thank you. I certainly

3:09

owe the two of you Been

3:11

there with me from the beginning and the

3:14

listeners of the show I got a lot

3:16

of congrats fish man in the comments I

3:19

had family members texting me whoever

3:21

that is it made that fish man logo I

3:25

had cousins being like what is this and I

3:27

responded. Why don't you listen to the Hogan Johnson

3:29

show? That's not you Yeah,

3:33

well, I'm assuming that

3:35

part of the entry was

3:39

Fish paint fun facts or not

3:41

so fun facts. I mean, I'm assuming

3:43

that's the really the biggest reason why you won this

3:45

award So the timing

3:47

works out perfect. I mean we didn't know

3:49

we had this planned But we

3:51

didn't know that that you were gonna be a you

3:53

know an award-winning Journalist

3:56

by the time we recorded this So

4:00

Perfect timing. We got a whole episode of not

4:02

so fun facts. I'm

4:04

looking forward. I hope they don't take the order away from

4:06

me after, uh, after this one.

4:09

They might. We do,

4:11

we do do that to people. I

4:13

think. Um, all right, real quickly before

4:16

we get into those, uh, offensive coordinator

4:18

news, John's, uh, we got Thomas Brown

4:20

and Marcus Brady thrown

4:23

into the mix here. Adam

4:25

to the list, put

4:27

them on the list, put them on the tab. Thomas

4:31

Brown interview. Yeah. Two

4:34

good coaches. I'm just trying

4:36

to wrap my mind around the idea of

4:39

the staff. They're trying to build with these interviews as

4:41

well. Um, I

4:44

think you have some very appealing quarterback

4:47

coaches, some very appealing running

4:49

backs, coaches, run game coordinators,

4:53

all very qualified candidates so far for the

4:55

bear. Thomas

4:57

brought a huge upgrade as a running

4:59

backs coach. Yes. An

5:03

upgrade from, they didn't have one for

5:05

the last half of the year. Um, I'm

5:09

very interested about the, uh, the

5:12

idea of building a staff with Chris

5:14

Morgan's role because he kind of is

5:16

the de facto run game coordinator. But

5:19

all most of these guys come from the same

5:23

coaching tree as him. So

5:25

I imagine that'll be somewhat seamless. If

5:30

they're going to bring in somebody and say, Hey, he's going

5:32

to be our run game coordinator. Cause I would have, I

5:34

would have said they already have one. Good

5:38

point. Marcus Brady has connections

5:40

to the Indianapolis. How

5:43

many do you guys remember who else they

5:46

interviewed besides Luke? Getsey. I

5:49

don't remember it being a ton of, I

5:52

remember the, it was like a package when

5:54

they hired flus. It was like,

5:56

it was, it was one of

5:58

those already like. pre-arranged,

6:01

Fluz comes into his interview, yeah, I got

6:03

Luke Getsey as my OC type of situation.

6:05

Yeah. Cause

6:08

this is, I mean, this is almost like,

6:10

well, if you get the head coaching search

6:12

from that year, well, what they interviewed seven,

6:14

eight guys? Oh,

6:16

they're being thorough. I

6:20

remember right, I

6:22

feel like they almost announced Luke Getsey

6:24

right away when they hired either Fluz.

6:27

By the time Fluz did the press conference,

6:30

we already knew he was the OC. 100% right. Yeah.

6:33

Yeah. Do you think they gotta start narrowing

6:36

the list down or moving a bit more

6:38

quickly now that Shane Waldron is getting

6:41

interviews with the Saints? Well,

6:45

the timing of all this is

6:48

very interesting because meanwhile the head

6:50

coaching movement has been very

6:52

slow. And what we

6:55

don't know, we were talking about this a

6:57

little bit right before the show started too, for

7:00

instance, is Greg Roman tied the Jim Harbaugh? Just

7:04

like Luke Getsey was basically announced with

7:07

Matt Iberfluis, usually these

7:09

head coaching candidates have guys lined

7:11

up. And

7:15

I don't know, is it possible that some of these

7:17

guys the Bears have interviewed are lined up with other

7:19

potential jobs if that

7:23

person gets a head coaching job somewhere else, but

7:25

then that's a big if, because you don't know

7:27

if that, you don't know that

7:29

that's gonna happen. So that's where this gets very

7:31

complicated. And I feel like everything, everything

7:34

sort of just seems like it's on hold right now,

7:37

perhaps until Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick figure out what

7:39

the hell they're doing. Do

7:41

you think that Greg Roman is

7:43

done with the Harvos after being

7:45

essentially fired by John Harbaugh last

7:49

year? I

7:52

don't know. Good thought. After

7:56

being out of work this year, I would probably just

7:58

take a job. It's true. Very.

8:03

True, the way I would look at

8:05

it as I would still put seen

8:07

waldron and clean Kubiak as my top

8:09

options. I love the idea of adding.

8:12

Like. Pass game and run. Game coordinators

8:14

said think there's so many good

8:17

candidates being interviewed by the Bears

8:19

right now but then having like

8:21

Greg Roman is like my fallback

8:23

option like of things as Waldron

8:25

goes, The Saints and Thomas Brown

8:27

follows. I don't

8:29

know Belichick of or Ramiele for example.

8:32

Greg. Roman strikes me as a

8:34

good fallback option, especially he wants

8:36

little bit more authority over the

8:38

entire offensive philosophy. Just

8:41

the thought. To that limit you

8:43

though on your quarterback options. M

8:46

I. Am I. What

8:50

I want: Our lives, our considerable

8:52

play calling experience for my Yossi.

8:55

Will. That part I agree with

8:57

Eyes As Idols silly Greg Roman

8:59

sits the versatility with quarterbacks that.

9:02

Polls. And Flus talked about their and the

9:04

season press conference. I.

9:06

Think it's make sense interview. And.

9:10

Of this all these interviews, there's a

9:12

downside interview in it by. You

9:14

know, a it's you, you even in law?

9:16

Let's look at Thomas Brown even if he

9:19

doesn't end up on the bear staff he

9:21

just experienced wherever the hell happened in Carolina

9:23

this year of bright young. And

9:26

if you are going to draft a number one

9:28

quarterback, maybe you'll learn some do's and don'ts Yeah

9:30

ya, that whole situation I want Thomas Brown part

9:32

of my staff. You know that

9:34

he would help immensely in terms of

9:37

their quarterback evaluation. Immensely, Just terms

9:39

of what happened in Kerala. absolutely agree with you.

9:42

If. Any coach to the Badgers and

9:44

twenty fourteen so he check that box to with

9:47

spring for. I

9:50

can hear the conversations or in that

9:52

twenty Fourteen Badgers Often when you think

9:55

about some and storks offices and car

9:57

suppose that's what. I

9:59

came into. The quarterback was. In

10:01

the you guys know Jack own.

10:05

Don't starve a. Fragile. Sergeants

10:07

doc own or away. The.

10:10

Stock or seven years before that. Can.

10:12

I give you guys have fun fact before he gets

10:14

cabins on facts. Or.

10:16

To as the a question of of in in fun

10:18

fact. Seems. Like you're

10:20

undermining an award winning journalist

10:22

right now. ssssss name the

10:25

former Bears codes that Marcus

10:27

Brady coach Dunder in the

10:29

Cfl. Our I

10:31

saw this already. Where. We'd say

10:34

it again, name the name the former

10:36

but it's so either make it a

10:38

all mattress must be easy as part

10:40

of his old ass. But the Alan

10:42

Watts. But.

10:45

He did not bring Marcus pretty with him

10:47

to Chicago to thinks I'm Marguerite. Radio Airlines

10:49

has a laugh and Montreal's guys are you

10:52

there The second time around when trusting was

10:54

at the Argonauts. Know that

10:56

lets. Or aloe. Was.

10:59

The Alloa to the argument know he was it. The

11:01

other was before the bears. The dooney. Go back to

11:03

see a phone call to Argonauts. Did he want an

11:05

array gray hop? Brady. That oh yeah,

11:08

that I read where he was organise.

11:10

I think Brady was with the second

11:12

version of Canadian. Trust them. Know.

11:15

He was with or the virtues of there

11:17

was no Us. If you wanna read my

11:19

fourteen candidates Kevin oh yes Oh is all

11:22

detailed in. The great

11:24

success Brady was on us that we're to as doesn't

11:26

as well though he was. Was

11:28

Thomas Brown cling to Vs at an Fc Modern

11:30

because he was a free agent at at time.

11:34

In two thousand and eighteen I did

11:36

Forty four candidates for head coach. Or.

11:39

School and met neg he was out there.

11:41

so guess what? I was right. You're right.

11:43

I mean really bad if he wasn't if

11:45

you did forty four and admit. They

11:49

are out of it for a the I

11:51

ah according to wikipedia Marcus Brady, you're both

11:53

right. He. Was a bowl Stats:

11:55

Entourage era. Yeah so.

11:57

Sit on the mighty of Trans. Ah

12:01

alright. Let's.

12:03

Get it is not so fun. Facts: With.

12:05

A lot are being hit. The last time we

12:07

did was that oh yeah. Tell you

12:10

know faces as this guy doesn't look as

12:12

if you lack of. As

12:14

deck over Mlb Showdown cards on my

12:16

desk and I was like oh there's

12:18

Kelly ones. That.

12:21

While. Everyone!

12:23

so I said kelly once jersey.

12:27

And he was electric. Of

12:30

I'd say electric but again. He

12:33

was the seventh and eighth and in stopper.

12:36

What? A great detour for the showers, you guys! Glad he had

12:38

be out of a. The

12:40

kind of qualifies as a not so fun.

12:43

It was a not so fun reference. The.

12:46

I was really scary once. Yes,

12:48

Aren't already got here? We got. how many of

12:51

these do we have today? Nine

12:54

I say wow the I

12:56

said that age I'm fish

12:59

pains Obviously cornered the market

13:01

on fish. Been fun Facts:

13:04

Which. We like to die hard. Like

13:06

powerless to call a fish baths. Suspects.

13:09

That's networks to. Are.

13:11

We like to point out that many times

13:13

the facts are actually not. Very.

13:15

Fun! So. I'm my own

13:17

show as. Well. As is

13:20

up on that. Yeah, that's probably

13:22

accurate, but. We. Like to call

13:24

this the fish may not. so fun Facts

13:26

and we don't know what these are. Johnson

13:28

I do not know what's coming. For.

13:31

Spain's got these ready or producer

13:33

tent. As I'm ready and we're

13:35

just gonna. Leave it really

13:37

active. Whatever her as about sap in. And

13:40

at I will point out these are

13:42

frogs I had. It's been fun facts

13:44

week at the Athletic. So Tuesday. I

13:47

was a deep dive into just and fields

13:49

just field stats. And

13:52

side to days or recording.

13:54

Thursday I have bears offense.

13:57

I don't have the difference one ready

13:59

yet so that I'll be at a

14:01

later the show but deep and special

14:03

teams fun facts article will be out

14:05

next week and will do those fun

14:07

facts later. Wow in all article on

14:09

at the athletic.com such hope the chance

14:11

to go sign up or so. These

14:13

are authentic facts. Yes,

14:15

But. Not less than once. Someone

14:18

might be offensive if if. Our.

14:20

Number one: Worry up. Justin

14:24

Fields ranked thirty second Other

14:26

thirty two qualifying quarterbacks and

14:28

fourth quarter completion percentage Interceptions

14:31

per pass passer rating in

14:33

a P A expected points

14:35

added purpose. Of.

14:39

As you know that most of these stats

14:41

all the stats are from term media something

14:43

some boxes Romania. So.

14:46

He was the worse quarterback in the fourth quarter.

14:49

Yes, I

14:52

am. So. Like

14:54

we said, Ah, I'm.

14:57

Not. So fun! Fact. That

15:00

wonderfully qualified. Now, Robert oh

15:02

she's still let me get Let me give

15:04

a quick disclosure. Speak

15:06

as I wrote this in

15:08

the story. The thing

15:10

about. Like I love using

15:13

stats obviously it I give me a fun

15:15

facts but was pursuing time of fields. Those

15:18

that specifically it it doesn't It's

15:20

not tape. It

15:23

doesn't factor and play calling. Doesn't

15:26

factor at a Mr. Simons amiss

15:28

blocked. It I mention this story

15:30

was three of Ny and against Cleveland. What?

15:32

We all know how much he was harassed

15:34

and that game. Doesn't doesn't

15:37

account for dropped passes or miss bad

15:39

or are all those six. It's

15:42

just these are just the stats and you. Interpret

15:45

them however you'd like seventies when I

15:47

think though, when the last rain. I

15:50

just I like to point that out. But

15:52

I also do think that with fields. When.

15:56

You're when you rank that low.

15:59

That. You can it just scream

16:01

louder? was gets his faults mold know

16:03

Quarterback House to a get better and

16:05

guess what? You know who admitted that.

16:08

The. General Manager of the Chicago Bears. When

16:10

I asked him where do you want to

16:12

continue seeing growth from Just feels He said

16:14

those two minutes situations I think Just and

16:16

Fields would tell you. Yes, City

16:18

as to be better as think

16:20

Justin Fields would tell you that

16:23

he is higher expectations of himself

16:25

beyond. The

16:27

excuses. right? Around

16:31

the sun the think about the cab. The

16:33

question I have for you is when does

16:35

that and maybe can as years later but

16:38

like one is the that body of work

16:40

to become like the body or because. If.

16:43

You add in the past couple seasons and

16:45

I get it. Not a great situation, You're

16:48

one. Not a great situation here too. But.

16:51

The. Number Santa hold true. Year.

16:54

And goes your of year. It's. You

16:57

guys remember out of know what season was

16:59

a maybe was different as by different era

17:01

but it's but remember when you reset moments.

17:03

Where you said Jay Cutler as who he is? Like

17:06

this is just say. He's. Not going to

17:08

average the. This is not going

17:10

to ever be that bad. He says jay

17:12

and you take the good, you take the

17:14

bad. And. Ugly.

17:16

Oh gosh, If. Is. Sars

17:18

Roka I think we got there before they gave

17:21

my contract extension. Yeah. I

17:23

think yeah I out agree with I may

17:25

have been here for but five seasons already.

17:29

So. Ib just feels not at that point. I

17:31

think we all want to see we just see as

17:33

looks like with. A different scheme

17:35

and and a different weapons in

17:37

a durable often supplied all those

17:39

things. But. You. Know some eat

17:41

like That's a question that people are going to

17:43

ask is is when is it Just take That's

17:46

with now what I didn't have but I I

17:48

I didn't dump. The oh you guys

17:50

want to bonus he has won a bonus. Fun fact:

17:53

Because. People brought this up that. The.

17:56

Interesting part of fields is.

17:59

All. Where how different he was

18:01

in the fourth quarter compared to

18:03

other. Too. Early in

18:06

the game. So. Up really quick

18:08

Let me give you were fields ranks in

18:10

the first. Quarter. A

18:13

Betty. These numbers are way different. Near.

18:16

Or maybe a look at it as you go

18:18

through a lot of fourth quarter. Like if you

18:20

go to the quarterback stats. We most fourth quarter

18:23

stats are poor because it's are obviously you've got

18:25

when you think about the teams ahead of the

18:27

other teams are. Russian. Everybody

18:29

at you and close games. Just

18:33

field six in the at a

18:35

foul and completion percentage in the

18:37

first quarter seventy four point four.

18:40

Was. Aghast already known. As

18:43

passer A and one twelve point to

18:45

second best. In. The Nfl. And

18:48

is a p a per pass

18:50

attempt zero point, five one, and number

18:52

one. In. The Nfl and

18:54

the first quarter. Man, Those lucchesi

18:57

scripted drives are fantastic, right? Well

19:02

if you're gonna blame if you're gonna blame will

19:04

get see for the fourth quarter struggles.she got to

19:06

give gets the credit for the first quarter successes.

19:08

There are no those are just and successes. Okay.

19:11

To those are it's all just and. I. Guess.

19:15

I number two. Year

19:19

ago. In a final seven games, the

19:21

season fields rates tenth. In

19:23

the Nfl a reception process which was

19:25

one point four of his pass attempts

19:27

went to the Or teams and it

19:29

would have been second in the Nfl

19:31

of now for those two interceptions on

19:33

a hill married passes in Cleveland. Dot.

19:37

Are you know. Yeah,

19:39

I'm not. I don't believe in like

19:41

the wealthy take out. that's thirty eight

19:43

yard run they gave up. There are

19:45

we allowing two yards per carry? right?

19:48

By. I do think with

19:50

a Hail Mary interceptions, the Bears themselves

19:53

don't really count them. I got a

19:55

lot of angry comments or say well

19:57

then that you're gonna take out the

19:59

hail Mary interception. for every quarterback.

20:02

I don't know how many, it's not like every

20:04

single quarterback had multiple Hail Mary interceptions in the

20:06

final seven games of the season. So I don't

20:08

know how much that would impact it. But

20:12

even if you leave those in, I think the

20:14

biggest sign of growth we saw from Fields in

20:16

the second half of the season when he came

20:18

back from Missouri was he did a really good

20:20

job protecting the football. I

20:22

think it's Matt Eberflux's influence, which

20:24

you could consider good

20:27

or bad, but I think at the

20:29

midway point in the season when the Bears

20:31

started to really believe in their defense, at

20:35

best all they wanted was complimentary football of

20:39

no negative plays, no

20:41

turnovers, protect the

20:43

football, that type of mindset, that type of mantra. And

20:46

I think Matt Eberflux got it.

20:48

I guess my question on this, I think

20:52

it's important to look at the individual

20:54

growth, like his interception rate individually

20:58

decreased from year two to

21:00

year three, which is progress,

21:03

important progress. But

21:05

at the same time, do you know where he

21:07

ranks? Still like an interception rate amongst his peers,

21:10

which is still important. It still needs to be

21:12

part of the conversation. Do you know where he

21:14

ranks? I'm

21:17

supposed to because I did it in my story. Yes,

21:19

in the bottom third of the league. 23rd. Now,

21:22

sometimes that's just the lack of attempts,

21:24

you know, factoring into it. But that's

21:26

also a thing, right? Like, even

21:29

throw a pass in the third quarter against the Packers, right?

21:32

And I'm pretty sure the Bears called passes like

21:34

there's a lot of nuance to this. Right.

21:37

It's A, is

21:39

that sustainable? And B,

21:43

were they being conservative to help

21:47

get that number down? You

21:49

know, what's the ceiling with Justin Plain

21:52

that way? I think that's part

21:55

of the conversation. And

21:57

there were still fumbles in there, right? It

22:00

had those two fumbles in Minnesota in the fourth quarter.

22:04

Fields did lead the league, by the way, in fourth quarter fumbles.

22:10

Sorry, bonus not so fun fact there. Okay.

22:14

All right, number three. What do you got?

22:17

So this was really interesting. So when Fields

22:19

threw to DJ Moore, his passer rating was

22:21

129.5. And

22:24

I looked up the five wide

22:26

receivers who were ahead of DJ Moore in receiving

22:28

yards this year, DJ finished sixth. And

22:31

their combos, their quarterbacks, this

22:33

was the best passer rating. So you're talking about Dak

22:35

Prescott to CD Lamb, Tua to

22:37

Tyreek Hill, Jared Goff to Amman-Rasse

22:39

Brown, Jalen Hurst to AJ Brown,

22:42

Matthew Stafford to Pukanukua. So

22:44

I mean, all those were really high, don't get me wrong, but

22:46

129.5, that was the highest. And

22:50

my conclusion from that is

22:53

I think we've seen enough from DJ Moore to

22:56

tell us that probably says more

22:58

about DJ Moore than it does

23:00

about Justin Fields, but also don't want to take away

23:02

from the fact that Justin Fields had this just

23:05

golden gift here of getting to throw to

23:07

DJ Moore and he took advantage of it.

23:12

And if you are in

23:14

the camp of keeping Justin Fields that the

23:16

Bears are considering, they have to kind of

23:18

look at the DJ Moore connection, say, what

23:21

if we got him Marvin Harrison Jr. or somebody else

23:24

like that, is that going to build on the other

23:26

side? The flip side of that is,

23:28

again, DJ Moore has put up really good numbers with

23:30

worse quarterbacks than Justin Fields. Where

23:32

do you guys, how do you guys

23:34

look at that? I'm willing to bet

23:36

historically that like the

23:39

numbers of Joe Montana throwing the

23:41

Jerry Rice, the numbers of Joe

23:43

Burrow throwing to Jamar Chase, the

23:45

numbers of Matthew Stafford throwing to

23:47

Calvin Johnson, like they're all pretty

23:50

darn good just in terms of what they

23:53

mean for individual quarterback pass rating because that

23:55

is a guy out there. That is the

23:57

number one wide receiver. Well,

24:01

yeah, I mean, but those quarterbacks,

24:04

but those quarterbacks aren't Justin Fields. Those quarterbacks you

24:06

mentioned are all way better than Justin Fields. That's

24:08

fine. Let's see if I can find that's what,

24:10

yeah. Kirk

24:14

Cousins thrown to Jefferson. No,

24:16

don't do that to my guy. But

24:19

I can't, I'm sure they're outstanding. But you can

24:21

look at the point like, well, you could look

24:23

at like Sam Darnold throwing DJ more. That's

24:26

the thing. If those guys

24:28

in Carolina that he played with also

24:31

had similar good ratings, I think again, it says

24:33

a lot more about DJ Moore. But

24:36

if you're of the belief that like there's something more from

24:38

Fields that we can get to, you

24:40

say, well, if you give him the type of wide

24:42

receiver who can get open quickly,

24:45

and if your quarterback's a little

24:47

inaccurate, I mean, how many times did we see

24:49

DJ Moore pluck a pass that was maybe not

24:51

on target for a big play on third down?

24:54

Or take a short throw for significant yardage?

24:56

I think this is where I stand like

24:59

DJ Moore has

25:01

shown that he can produce with every single

25:03

quarterback he's played with, no matter how good

25:06

or how bad just produces with them. I

25:09

think history says that I also

25:11

think DJ Moore had had enough of the

25:13

change with like some consistency

25:15

and that he likes Justin Fields a whole

25:17

lot. Back

25:20

to the numbers, that's

25:23

pretty remarkable. But then

25:25

why are we still in

25:27

the same conversation where Justin's

25:30

overall season wasn't

25:32

better like then

25:34

the year two and it creates

25:38

a slightly worse. The

25:41

Justin Fields of Darnell Mooney numbers?

25:44

Well, right. So like that's my

25:46

point. Why did everything else regress? So

25:50

don't come at us in May and June this time

25:52

when we tell you the things we've seen on the

25:54

practice field because we all

25:58

literally talk. about that when Justin

26:01

throws the DJ it looks great when

26:04

he throws to everybody else it does not oh

26:06

they're just in shorts you can't

26:08

have these conclusions and

26:11

okay well that

26:13

seems translate pretty well just season short so

26:18

here's our Justin

26:21

Fields to Darnell

26:23

Mooney this year

26:26

that's not what I'm looking for do

26:29

that thing where you guys Hem and Haw for a

26:31

minute well I don't even

26:33

know that we need the numbers on this one

26:35

I think we kind of know that we know

26:37

it's not good but I but I'm willing to

26:39

bet that Matthew Stafford's numbers

26:41

the Cooper Cup are

26:44

pretty good this year I'm willing to bet that

26:48

Jalen Hurts to Devontae Smith those

26:52

numbers those percentages are better than

26:55

Darnell Mooney's

26:57

right like okay so so when

26:59

Justin Fields through to Darnell Mooney this year his passer

27:01

rating was 62.1 he completed only 45% of

27:04

his passes to Mooney

27:07

and so what's if you could quickly look

27:09

up what's Jalen Hurts to Devontae Smith because

27:12

his top pass rating was throwing an AJ Brown

27:15

correct right Jalen

27:19

Hurts quarterback Eagles did

27:22

not have a great year this year but

27:25

was good when he was throwing to as

27:29

you said AJ Brown point

27:33

is that those are some numbers you

27:36

don't have anything in the Vante Smith I'm

27:38

pulling it up I got my

27:41

number crunchers got to do their thing it

27:44

takes them it can take them a minute do

27:47

that thing again where you guys where you guys kind

27:49

of Hem and Haw yeah

27:51

Kevin's like talk about minions

27:54

that work inside his computer to pull the stuff up for

27:56

how do you think he win an award like you he

27:58

won you can't just do that by yourself Come on

28:01

now banana. Um, all right, here we go.

28:04

Jalen hurts to Devonta Smith 2023 Jalen hurts his

28:06

pass. The

28:11

rain was 111.1. Okay.

28:14

Good. It's like

28:16

a down year for Jalen hurts and he had a hundred plus pass.

28:19

Rain both AJ Brown and Devonta. So

28:21

I guess here's what we're trying to prove here to

28:23

be honest though. I don't know. It's what

28:25

I'm saying. Like

28:30

I don't, so maybe the receiver,

28:32

the receiver, the quarterback are,

28:34

I mean, usually it's both. Yeah. I

28:37

think in this case, we know it's the wide receiver, right?

28:40

The bears haven't had a wide receiver like this. And

28:43

yeah, I guess what you're trying

28:45

to get at is probably if there's a second

28:47

DJ more is

28:50

Justin's overall numbers better. But

28:53

that's why I was pointing out. I

28:55

don't know. Personally,

28:57

you can't get all agreed like the

28:59

second DJ more. Well, I was, I was in this. I

29:04

was a little surprised because I would have thought that there were

29:06

going to be more times that fields tried to force it to

29:08

more. I thought the completion percentage would be a little lower. I

29:11

thought there may be an interception or more interceptions throwing that

29:13

way. So

29:17

like again, that could again, speaks more and more,

29:19

but I just kind of, when I like looked it up, I

29:21

was surprised that they were, it was that high. Considering fields

29:23

in general is in the bottom third. Yeah.

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right, let's get to, what are we, next, number four?

31:06

Sorry, I'll go quicker. All right, backup quarterback

31:08

Tyson Bajent completed 65% of his passes. That

31:11

was the second-best completion rate for an undrafted

31:13

rookie quarterback dating back to 2000, trailing

31:16

only, this year, Bengals backup

31:18

quarterback Jake Browning. Hmm.

31:24

That kinda, I don't... Man,

31:27

we're one pick away from that not working, though,

31:30

because if Brock

31:32

Purdy hadn't been selected last, that

31:36

he would've been undrafted. I would've

31:38

screwed everything up there. Yeah,

31:40

I almost forget the

31:42

Tyson Bajent era. Mark

31:46

Harmon doesn't. No, he doesn't, that's for sure.

31:51

But they do have a decent backup quarterback. That's

31:54

what Jake Browning proved to be, kind of. He

32:00

filled in okay, but also the Bengals

32:04

Didn't make playoffs once they lost

32:06

Joe Burrow. So I don't know There

32:08

went nine. That's fun. Did he complete like 90%

32:11

of his passes one game? Yeah,

32:13

yeah, was that the Jaguars game? Yeah

32:16

I would 100% say that every

32:19

game that my backup quarterback starts

32:23

We've covered some pretty bad backup quarterbacks

32:25

here in Chicago Baton

32:27

did a good job and

32:29

he's still young and he's got a chance to develop It's

32:33

a good find number

32:35

five Khalil

32:38

Herbert 611 Russian yards were the fewest

32:40

for a Bears leading running back since

32:42

Edgar Bennett has 611 in Wow

32:48

Now Herbert was obviously hurt Roshan Johnson was

32:50

hurt the Dante Foreman thing was kind

32:52

of weird, but it was an interesting Statistical

32:55

analysis of the Bears running backs that you

32:58

know, they were the second leading rushing team in football Fields

33:01

led the team rushing, but it wasn't like last year

33:03

when fields had a thousand yards And

33:06

and think about it Herbert

33:08

had 611 with back-to-back hundred yard

33:10

games in late December I mean

33:13

they were around to not get a 500 yard

33:16

running back, which I don't think the Bears I think that has to

33:18

goes back to like 1992 or something Running

33:23

back is definitely on my on my

33:25

list of needs this offseason Yeah,

33:28

I think we can say that

33:31

they miss David Montgomery a little

33:34

bit now Is

33:36

it worth paying that much do they do

33:38

they regret not paying that money? That's a

33:40

different question because they still finished what? fourth

33:43

in the league in rushing Yeah,

33:45

I think it was like May 4th

33:47

or second second in rushing overall fourth in

33:49

yards per carry But

33:52

again a lot of that It

33:55

is but regardless you still have a

33:57

solid rushing attack I

34:01

will say the

34:03

one thing I also noticed when comparing the

34:06

backs was there was a

34:08

major variance for Kaleel Herbert. Like

34:12

just, I mean, after the

34:14

ankle injury clearly wasn't himself. But

34:16

if you look at the opener against the Packers and the

34:18

finale against the Packers, those were two of his worst, these

34:20

two worst games this season. And

34:23

Roshan, while I never got a lot

34:25

of carries, was always a little more

34:27

consistent. I

34:29

just don't know if Roshan could ever be, he's just

34:31

not explosive enough, I don't think, to be a number

34:33

one. But I think he proved himself as a number

34:36

two guy in Hogue. You could certainly speak to what he

34:39

brings to special teams. Yeah,

34:41

I agree. They can use an upgrade. I

34:43

don't know. I

34:46

don't know that I want to, you know, use

34:48

go go Jameer Gibbs and use a first round

34:50

pick on a running back. But

34:52

you could talk me into a second round pick. And certainly

34:54

if you can find another David Montgomery in the third round,

34:58

that would go a long way. Yeah. So,

35:01

all right. Next on the list. The

35:05

Bears were one in five when DJ

35:08

Moore had six targets or fewer. And

35:10

the one win came when Moore was

35:12

limited by an ankle injury in

35:15

that game against the Cardinals. You

35:18

know, it's just correlation or causation.

35:21

Probably a bit of both. Like

35:25

there were games where like DJ

35:27

Moore was barely targeted

35:30

and like he still finished

35:32

with like a career highs in

35:35

what touchdown catches and receiving yards.

35:40

That to me is on Luke Getsey, like

35:43

finding ways to get your best player the

35:45

ball. Like you just see what Mike

35:47

McDaniel does in Miami with

35:49

his speedy receivers, right? With Tyreek

35:51

Hill. They move them all over the

35:53

place. Just be a little bit more creative.

35:55

Like when I heard Mandy

35:58

Bufloos and Ryan Pols. talking about like innovation,

36:01

that stood out to me. Like try to find

36:04

ways to get your best player of the football,

36:06

like scheme him open. He's good

36:08

enough to do a lot of damage with

36:10

the football in his hands. Find them ways

36:12

to get the ball beyond simplistic, you know,

36:14

wide receiver screens. So that to me, this

36:16

is a criticism of Luke Gazzi. Tyreek

36:19

Hill, by the way, had three, no, two

36:21

times all year. He

36:25

got fewer than six targets. In

36:28

both those games, he got five targets. I think one

36:30

of them, he was hurt. Exactly. Exactly.

36:33

I think a shout out Courtney Cronin and

36:35

her story had that the Bears were four

36:37

and oh, when DJ had

36:39

at least 10 targets this season. Well,

36:42

it makes sense. Justin Fields has a

36:44

great passer rating way through the ball to DJ

36:46

more. So when you throw the ball, you know,

36:49

more good things are happening. You're winning football games

36:51

when you didn't do that. The

36:53

numbers went down. You didn't score points. You lost

36:55

the games. It's

36:58

pretty cut and dry. This is where you

37:00

get me with the Luke Gazzi criticism because this

37:02

is on him. You have to be more creative,

37:05

more inventive to find ways to get your

37:08

best players football. This applies to Colcom at two.

37:10

The Bears second best receiver statistically,

37:13

you know, and the eye test,

37:15

like find them ways to get them

37:17

the football. Mark

37:19

Trev, I got the ball to DJ more

37:22

true. Maybe Marcus. I

37:25

didn't hear all of it. I

37:27

heard a lot about most of it, but what

37:29

I did hear, I did

37:32

not hear any of that. Wow,

37:34

that is an impressive like you

37:37

have that saved still. That's good. Yeah,

37:39

well, it's it's more

37:42

so that I finally found it again.

37:45

That's got to be 10 years old. It

37:48

is. Check this out.

37:51

Yeah. Well, hit that box for

37:53

me. Yeah, 2014 was

37:55

a year and 10 years after that is 2024. So

37:59

yeah, that. We're

38:01

doing good with numbers today.

38:04

Point is, those are some

38:06

numbers. All right, next up. Here we go. Speaking

38:09

of coal, oh, no, we're still on wide receivers. I

38:12

thought this was illuminating back to the same

38:14

conversation. The gap between DJ Moore and Darnell

38:16

& Mooney was 950 receiving yards. So

38:19

I started to look through what is

38:22

at the largest gap the bears have ever had between

38:25

number one and number two wide receiver. And

38:28

I realized I don't think I was ever going to find it because

38:32

there were three years the bears even have a

38:34

single player of 900 receiving yards alone. I

38:37

thought that was kind of

38:40

interesting. Wait, 20, were those the Jon Fox here?

38:44

Yeah, 15, 16, and 17. Oh,

38:46

yeah, yeah. I'll give you guys, you want

38:48

to try to guess the leading wide receivers

38:50

for those three seasons. Well,

38:53

Alshon Jeffrey was one, right? Alshon

38:55

Jeffrey led the Bears in receiving in 2015

38:57

with 807 receiving yards. And

39:01

he was hurt for most of it or perfor

39:03

a good portion of it. Your

39:05

2016 leading wide receiver was?

39:08

Kendall Wright? No,

39:10

no, it's 2017. He

39:12

had 888 wide receiving yards. I've

39:15

never, I would say top five

39:17

moment of Bears fans furious with

39:19

the GM when this guy got

39:21

away. And

39:25

he never, unfortunately, mainly due to injury,

39:27

he never did much after his time

39:29

with the Bears. God,

39:32

when he was 15? Local

39:35

guy, undrafted. It was

39:39

a great story. Oh,

39:42

Cam Meredith. Yeah, Cam

39:44

Meredith. Yes. Yeah.

39:47

He had a great year. Remember

39:49

when the Saints signed

39:51

him? Yeah, I definitely wrote a column

39:54

that said that that was a bad move by the

39:56

Bears. I definitely wrote that. He had health problems. Yeah,

40:00

and the bears knee was never the same near

40:02

ankle the bears knew the bears had the inside

40:04

information on yeah Yeah, they knew

40:06

and then John's your right for

40:08

2017 Kendall right led the Bears with 614

40:13

receiving yards. Yeah, welcome to the NFL

40:15

mr. Biski The

40:17

bears started the game with Tanner Gentry

40:20

and Trey McBride What

40:25

about when they traded for Don troll in men that

40:28

was a good day Yeah,

40:31

I think he ended up finishing second no

40:34

third among wide receivers a

40:36

year 334 yards Me

40:39

you knew you're in trouble when you trade

40:42

a seventh round pick for Don troll in

40:44

mid-season and There's

40:46

700 reporters around. I'm like this

40:48

guy's gonna save the season Welcome

40:52

to Chicago. Oh boy. Okay I

40:57

Don't you once again, you know, this is the

40:59

place receivers come to die You

41:02

probably walked in the door and realized it right away,

41:04

but okay, I don't think not trolling and

41:07

it was doing much before that anyway What's

41:09

next? All right now now we're getting the tight end

41:11

position. We got two more here Cole combat caught 81.1%

41:15

of passes thrown his way second

41:18

in the league among tight ends

41:20

trailing only Durham smith and Durham

41:23

smith or Smith had 47

41:26

fewer targets in Cole come up. I Remember

41:30

drops being part of the criticism of Cole

41:32

come at to play a couple years

41:34

ago That was that

41:36

was a real problem. He was a rookie.

41:38

He didn't score touchdowns and he he not

41:41

only had some drop issues but he

41:43

had some fumble issues after the catch and he

41:45

has drastically improved

41:47

that he catches everything now and Holds

41:51

on to the ball gets extra yards That's

41:56

another area I would say if they

41:58

can upgrade the Robert Italian

42:01

position you're putting Cole

42:03

commit in a better spot more of where

42:05

he's supposed to be He

42:08

kind of had to do both this year and

42:11

it was impressive but by the end of the

42:13

year man That guy was hurting you could tell

42:15

I mean he I don't think anybody

42:17

was welcoming the offseason more than him by the time

42:19

It was all over because he had a lot of

42:22

bumps and bruises for how much he touched the football Yeah,

42:26

Colcom Mets catch percentage 63.6 of the rookie then 64.5 72.5

42:33

last season and then 81.1. So that's a pretty impressive

42:37

Increase especially because his targets of course

42:39

went up those years to

42:41

know he's a good player It was a good pick

42:43

by Ryan pace. Do you know he's only gonna be

42:45

25 next year in his fifth season. Yeah

42:49

Like I was a good graph. Yes, we're

42:51

not having a first first round pick they

42:54

got Cole commit and Jalen Johnson out of that

42:56

draft and So

42:58

number one corner number one tight end

43:00

pretty good in

43:02

Arlington Hambright Okay,

43:05

ah what is his nickname? I

43:11

Don't remember you're thinking You're

43:15

thinking oh, yeah pig Simmons,

43:17

yeah, the shaviest Simmons. Yeah, I

43:20

bet Eberf was it of a good would have a good one for

43:22

our eyes and hambrite Call it. He would call him ham Bino You

43:27

know ham yeah, I

43:29

don't know what's up yours again we

43:32

call him we call him ham Bino I Love

43:36

the nicknames. I don't want to make fun of that.

43:38

The nicknames are great and I

43:40

want to know our nicknames See

43:43

when he gets a sack, he's the Sandman, but he

43:45

went to tackle for loss. He's Jackhammer We

43:47

should come up with nicknames in one pocket

43:51

I Don't think they

43:53

would talk to us for a season,

43:55

but it could be well worth it

43:57

Adam. He's a dragon slayer

43:59

because he's slaying the track it's

44:02

not a bad goal for the

44:04

offseason is to get the reporter

44:07

nicknames out of flus no he

44:09

might have a couple he's

44:13

definitely got one for Jason leisure you

44:16

ever see X-men with juggernaut look

44:18

at Andrew Billy's he's our juggernaut you're

44:21

working your impersonation I

44:23

kind of like it hey what's up flus yeah I

44:26

like it all right well I don't even know a

44:29

number we're on anymore last one

44:31

last one okay yeah the Bears had

44:33

nine offensive line combinations in 2023 the

44:35

same amount they had in 2022 only

44:37

one offensive lineman

44:40

started all 17 games that was

44:42

Darnell Wright who

44:45

missed five snaps all season very impressive

44:47

rookie campaign for Darnell Wright I

44:50

think when you go look

44:52

at the story that's up today Thursday I

44:55

have the snap counts for everybody an

44:57

offense by position and you go to

44:59

offensive line and you can see kind

45:02

of the attrition there and

45:04

you realize that there was really only

45:07

that one stretch which happened to be their

45:09

best stretch of football year in November

45:11

December when they had the same offensive

45:13

line for probably was five of six

45:15

games you

45:18

guys know I always go back and rewatch

45:21

the tape when the season is over and

45:24

I got to the Minnesota game where

45:27

Cody Whitehair blocked Nate

45:29

Davis hmm that was good

45:31

times the

45:33

snaps are all over the place yeah they

45:37

got some upgrades by the way Nate Davis either

45:39

needs to be more reliable or better

45:42

or both for that signing to work out

45:44

too yeah

45:47

needs to bounce back here as

45:50

far as Darnell Wright like

45:54

you're feeling really good about this selection if

45:56

you're the Bears and I'm sure the Eagles

45:59

still feel good about Selection of of Jalen Carter,

46:01

but just in terms of how like the

46:03

seasons finished I Got

46:08

Was Carter mentioned at all like

46:10

in the playoff game like I can't remember

46:12

no he tailed off for sure and But

46:16

that entire defense tell that you almost

46:18

get actually ass like this Patricia took

46:20

over a

46:23

Hassan Riddick disappeared Completely

46:25

yeah, how do you make that happen? Yeah

46:28

a lot of a lot of big games

46:30

in that defense You know I do think

46:32

actually TJ Edwards was extremely missed by them

46:35

Well yeah, they don't think something's off their body

46:37

tray if you draft The

46:40

player who was considered the best overall player

46:42

in that draft right by a

46:44

lot of evaluators wouldn't you expect a bit more?

46:46

I would it's early

46:48

in his career, but I think

46:50

the the criticism or at least the draft

46:53

evaluation Evaluation is siding with the Bears right

46:55

now. I think for the I

46:57

was filling out my ballot for PFWA Awards,

46:59

I'm pretty sure I gave defensive rookie

47:01

to Will Anderson. I thought we're just

47:04

looking at their stats But

47:07

Will Anderson made more splash plays this year 22

47:10

quarterback hits seven

47:12

sacks ten tackles

47:14

for loss compared to Jalen Carter

47:17

who finished with Six

47:19

sacks eight tackles plus nine quarterback hits now

47:22

I'm guessing if you go advanced stats that

47:24

Carter had more run stuffs or things like

47:26

that, but Yeah, his

47:29

from you know after September you didn't hear his

47:31

name very much it's

47:34

disrespectful to Tyreke

47:36

Stevenson I Put

47:39

it I put him on my all rookie team at

47:41

corner I Try

47:44

to look they announced the Pepsi finalist

47:46

the Pepsi is it called a Pepsi

47:48

rookie of the year Yes,

47:55

where did that go here we go? Oh,

47:57

it's I'm sorry apologies to zero sugar

48:00

Pepsi zero sugar NFL rookie of the

48:02

year. Finalist Devon

48:05

A-Chain, Jameer

48:08

Gibbs, Sam LaPorta, Hookah

48:10

Nakua, Bijon Robinson, and CJ

48:12

Stroud. I thought there was a defensive guy

48:14

in there, that's why I was looking, but I guess not. CJ

48:17

Stroud, yeah. But

48:20

for defense, the

48:22

guy in the Rams blanking on his name right

48:24

now. It's a third

48:26

round pick. They're two guys that I think

48:29

both had eight sacks. The

48:31

Rams drafted incredible this year.

48:34

That's one way to get over not, you know,

48:36

training five years of first round picks, it's just

48:38

to hit every other pick. Get

48:41

Hookah Nakua in the fifth round. Did

48:45

you see that video of Lusty and

48:48

McVey talking about Nakua? On

48:50

viral a little bit? Yeah. So

48:53

I've heard it twice now and like

48:55

my number one takeaway on that is

48:57

that's just years of like knowing each

48:59

other. Years of like a belief

49:02

in a system and knowing what you want and knowing

49:04

what you can be. Trusting

49:06

each other like we've

49:09

never had that in Chicago, at least in the

49:11

term, in the years that I've covered. My term

49:13

of covering the Chicago Bears. Right

49:15

and I guess if you want to, you know,

49:17

look on the bright side. If polls really

49:21

does love Fluce this much and

49:23

they really do see it eye to eye on what they're

49:26

building, that could be a good thing. And

49:28

the draft picks have been pretty

49:31

good so far. Pretty

49:33

damn good. There's a lot to like there.

49:36

So all right. That's

49:39

it. That's all

49:41

I got. We'll do defense special teams a

49:44

couple weeks if you guys want.

49:48

I mean, I'll be here for the special teams. Fun

49:50

fact. Those will be probably more. Those are probably more

49:54

fun. All

49:57

right. I think you get to keep your award. Pretty

50:00

well. See. Not

50:02

worry about that. Dot.

50:04

The it's like William the Damp

50:07

damn Pompei comes out. We are

50:09

called lot of famer Tampa Bay

50:11

with the call you award winning

50:13

can may now Ah. I'll

50:17

think about it. We are

50:19

three hundred sixty three days left him of this

50:22

thing so now we now we should just annoy

50:24

him for his at all as they're known as

50:26

one of the why you're more grandiose this with

50:28

with every them and is it. Ah,

50:31

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51:00

there and. Yeah,

51:03

we are. We had some good things play

51:05

next week. I don't know if it's opened

51:07

up or since farm, but we have to

51:09

guess next week that. You're

51:11

gonna wanna hear simply draft related

51:13

quarterback related that stuff so I

51:16

don't go anywhere. We're not going

51:18

anywhere. We will be back on

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