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It's Adam Hogue. Hey George.

1:00

Hi Adam. And from the

1:03

Athletic, it's Adam Johns. Adam

1:05

Johns, go ahead. Hey man,

1:07

how you doing? Coach Dicker

1:09

versus the Hurricane. Who would

1:11

win? Dicker. Hold on, hold

1:13

on, hold on. The name

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of the Hurricane is Hurricane

1:17

Dicker. Here they are, Hogan

1:20

Johns. What's up? Welcome

1:22

in Hogue and Johns with

1:24

you almost exactly

1:27

12 hours after

1:30

the bear traded for

1:32

Keenan Allen. Big

1:35

move, Johns. How about that? How

1:37

about that? It's

1:40

like the type of move that's straight out of

1:42

your text messages a little bit. Not

1:44

that I'm talking about your readers

1:46

and fans and your family and

1:48

friends that are your text messages.

1:50

Oh hey, how about they do this? Send

1:54

out all these fantasy football-like

1:56

trades and here it comes to

1:58

fruition. Yeah, I mean

2:00

I think the Bears did a good job of

2:03

keeping those kind of under wraps we we did

2:05

talk about earlier in the week just idea of

2:08

You know which of the I guess we could call

2:10

them the big four chargers That

2:13

had cap problems Would

2:15

come loose and you know Mike

2:17

Williams got released so it's like okay well now they're

2:19

gonna hang on the Keenan Allen and that just I

2:21

think that's kind of why I went on the back

2:24

burner a little bit but reportedly

2:26

I Know you

2:29

guys had this in your athletic story

2:31

that they they asked Joey Bosa Khalil

2:33

Mack and Keenan Allen to take pay

2:35

cuts yesterday Bosa and Mack

2:37

Restructure their contracts to accommodate and

2:39

Keenan Allen said no and that

2:42

opened the door for this big trade

2:44

to add another legitimate

2:47

wide receivers, so We're

2:49

gonna give you our initial reactions to this

2:51

here on the first segment of the podcast

2:54

And then we were already planning on having

2:56

Josh Lucas on the show So Josh Lucas

2:58

will jump on to to give his thoughts

3:00

on Keenan Allen. What's been going on with

3:02

Caleb Williams Justin Fields? Hard

3:05

to find somebody who would have a better idea of you know

3:08

how Where Justin Fields might

3:10

be at in all this then one of the

3:12

guys that drafted him So we'll hear from Josh

3:14

Lucas here shortly. Make sure you're following us on

3:16

Twitter at Adam Hogue Adam Johns and And

3:19

of course at Hogan Johns on Twitter as

3:22

well Hogan Johns comm is where you go

3:24

to get the merch John. He's rocking the

3:26

Navy Walking

3:28

Bear polo today if you're

3:30

watching on YouTube kind of hiding behind the Hogan

3:32

Johns logo here a little bit Yeah, it is

3:35

it kind of lines up perfectly. Um, I Wish

3:38

I was playing golf in that polo this morning.

3:40

It's a little cold I do have golf on

3:43

my TV. Caleb Williams was that a golf tournament

3:45

yesterday. Some people didn't like that. That

3:47

was funny The

3:50

PJ put out of a nice video last night

3:52

of him taking in the 17th hole I'm

3:56

all for that by the way. Yeah, what

3:58

just being at the I thought you

4:01

were talking about us. Yes, I am

4:03

also for being at the 17th hole.

4:06

I generally like the idea when other

4:08

elite athletes take in other elite athlete

4:11

performances. Yeah.

4:13

And the attention he's getting before he's been

4:15

getting into the NFL tells you

4:17

a little bit about the superstardom. And

4:19

of course, it needs to be backed up on the

4:22

football field. So we're a long way from getting there,

4:24

but it is pretty fascinating at this point. I'm

4:27

just noticing that I'm wearing black, you're wearing

4:29

navy, my wife, that's one of her pet

4:31

peeves. So she's not going to like watching

4:33

this with the black and navy. We should

4:35

have worn green. We

4:38

should have, especially you. Because

4:42

I feel like St. Patrick's Day is

4:44

more like your Christmas holiday. I just wanted

4:46

to model the golf ball though. Yeah,

4:48

I know. That's a good job by you. I'm

4:50

just modeling Under Armour apparently, so I'm not helping

4:53

us at all. Let's jump into

4:55

the Kenan Allen deal. It's your initial

4:57

reaction, how he fits in

4:59

age, contract, all of the above.

5:02

My initial reaction is that the Bears

5:05

are significantly

5:07

and immediately improving their situation

5:09

for a rookie quarterback. I

5:12

get it, Justin Fields is on the contract. He's still their

5:14

starter for the time being. But

5:16

the situation for any quarterback has

5:19

significantly improved really throughout

5:21

free agency. Look, DeAndre Swift,

5:24

he upgrades the running backs room. We have

5:26

a true center now in Coleman

5:28

Shelton. Not a guy like Ryan Bates who could

5:31

play center, but has that versatility to play guard

5:33

too. You have a center who has played

5:35

that position for two plus seasons

5:37

now, including for a playoff team in the

5:39

Los Angeles Rams. That's a plus

5:41

to me. And now you add Kenan Allen, who

5:44

has wildly been considered one of the

5:46

best slot receivers in the

5:48

NFL. He doesn't have to be a true

5:50

number one. You have that in DJ Moore, so the pressure

5:52

isn't on to produce in the ways

5:55

he has produced in the past. But he's

5:57

a true slot receiver, a veteran with a

5:59

lot of experience. Preyence pro bull clout

6:01

in that locker room it

6:04

immensely improves the situation for

6:06

the Bears quarterback. I

6:08

mean Yes, a hundred

6:10

percent and even if you lower expectations

6:12

a little bit like look He's gonna

6:14

cost a lot against the caps 23

6:16

million dollars Including the five

6:18

million dollar roster bonus. He's he's due on

6:21

Sunday But

6:26

Yeah, and we'll see I guess there's a chance

6:28

that you could restructure this if they wanted to

6:30

add a year to it Maybe yeah, maybe we'll

6:32

just have to wait and see on that But

6:34

regardless, you know, even if we

6:36

take into account the last two years since

6:38

hitting 30 Keenan Allen

6:41

missed seven games in 2022

6:43

and he missed four games last year. Well

6:47

He's still in 108 catches last year

6:49

for over 1200 yards like

6:52

good Let's

6:54

say he misses three

6:57

to four games again and even that number

6:59

comes down to 80

7:03

catches I Mean

7:05

that's more than double what

7:07

you got out of Darnell Mooney last year.

7:09

I'm just thinking about what This

7:12

means in terms of quarterback development. It's

7:14

on and off the field Right.

7:17

It's the the invaluable experience

7:19

of having a six-time Pro Bowl

7:22

receiver With you every

7:24

single day of practice even

7:26

if he's not practicing the tips he could give you Keaton

7:29

Allen has played with Justin Herbert, but also Philip

7:31

Rivers What a

7:33

great resource to have You

7:35

see if DJ more plus you have Cole combat.

7:38

This is a good move for the Bears Yeah,

7:41

I mean it's hard to especially when you have

7:43

the space Unless you're

7:45

obsessed with losing a fourth round pick which

7:47

they do trade Here Their

7:50

fourth round pick they also have the Eagles fourth round pick

7:52

a little bit later in the fourth fourth round

7:55

But come on a fourth round pick for

7:57

Keenan Allen And

7:59

I mean This guy regularly,

8:02

look last, what

8:04

is it, seven years, 102 catches, 97 catches,

8:06

104, 100,

8:13

106, 66 two years ago when he only played 10 games and then 108 last year

8:15

in 13 games. I

8:18

just think you need to keep this always

8:20

in the context of what this means for

8:22

potential quarterback development. It

8:24

is this situation that the

8:26

Bears are creating with this

8:28

superstar power, this name power that

8:32

Keenan Allen provides. It's just vastly different than what

8:34

the Bears provided, Mitch Shribicki and his rookie year.

8:37

It's also different than what the Bears have for Justin Fields

8:39

in his rookie year. And year two,

8:41

especially year two. Yes, especially year two, just in

8:44

terms of what Cale Williams

8:46

could be walking into, G.J.

8:48

Moore, Keenan Allen,

8:50

Cole Comatte, Gerald Everett, plus

8:55

maybe some draft picks too. It's

8:57

just a vastly better situation

8:59

for a rookie quarterback to walk

9:01

into. And we all expect that

9:03

to be the case. I know Justin's still in

9:05

the contract, he's still here, there's no trademark, I get all

9:07

that. But if you're improving

9:09

his situation, you're improving his potential replacement

9:12

situation as well. Yeah,

9:15

I mean I don't really see any

9:17

downside to this because anytime

9:20

you make a move assigning,

9:23

you have to think worst case scenario, right?

9:25

So like worst

9:29

case scenario is you get

9:32

him for one year and he's hurt a

9:34

bunch and he doesn't go as you thought

9:36

it might, right? Okay,

9:39

he had plenty of cap space. He

9:41

gave a fourth round pick and he's still in that

9:44

building to help mentor and

9:48

bring along a rookie quarterback. He will

9:50

provide Cale Williams with so much more

9:52

than a rookie fourth round pick, which

9:54

may not even be a receiver, which

9:56

could be a linebacker.

10:00

saying like just keep it

10:02

in the context of the quarterback position

10:05

building around the quarterback helping a rookie

10:07

come along in the NFL this

10:10

is a big move for the Bears especially

10:12

in that context and even if it is a

10:14

rookie receiver that use with that pick like that

10:16

guy's not gonna be able to give you a

10:19

Keenan Allen that could

10:21

be Tyler Scott that could be Vayless Jones

10:23

jr. right 100% and even if

10:26

it's more like Darnell

10:28

Mooney who was great as a rookie I

10:31

mean that's still not a polished player

10:33

who I mean really is one

10:35

of the best route runners in the

10:37

entire league in Keenan Allen and

10:40

just having remember last year when

10:43

the Bears traded for DJ Moore and there was like

10:45

the viral stat that he would already be the Bears

10:47

all-time leading receiver in

10:49

yards mm-hmm well Keenan

10:52

Allen already be their all-time leading receiver

10:54

in receptions yards and touchdowns so

10:59

ain't that something they've

11:01

never had two productive players like this the

11:03

only thing I can think of that would

11:05

rival it is when they had Brandon Marshall

11:08

with a young Al-Shaun Jeffery yeah I'm going

11:10

back to that season right now so

11:13

that season you

11:15

had let's see

11:18

here so it's 2014 one is the big year 2015

11:20

is when they exploded is that right no

11:22

20 no I think it was 2013 season 2013 but Al Shaun

11:26

was just in the second year that year yeah 2013 would be the

11:28

year when you

11:31

had here the numbers

11:33

so Matt Forte your Brandon Marshall

11:36

hundred catches 1295 yards 12 TDs Al

11:38

Shaun Jeffery 89 catches for 1421 yards and 17

11:46

he's and he's done Matt Forte 74 catches 595 yards

11:48

that would be Jay Cutler's

11:54

what did he rank that year

11:56

let's see in terms of yards

11:59

one of his best seasons one of about one

12:02

of his better seasons actually

12:06

hold on a second no

12:09

that was at the Josh McCown here the

12:11

Josh yeah that was that was when Josh

12:13

McCown got a bunch of games but

12:16

then he like guys like Mark Carmen became

12:18

the county yeah might

12:21

not have been wrong but

12:25

well look they have something

12:27

that rivals that and at least career

12:30

wise because these guys you

12:32

know key now certainly way older

12:35

than Brandon Marshall and Al

12:37

Sean Jeffrey were at that point their careers

12:39

what you're

12:41

talking about to 1000 yard receivers

12:43

years and a hundred

12:46

catch type guys this is big no

12:49

matter who's playing quarterback it's it's a big

12:51

addition you just hope he stays healthy and

12:54

you know exciting

12:56

exciting all right well we're gonna reset hero

12:58

bringing Josh Lucas we love having him on

13:00

the show it's been a few weeks so

13:02

we're gonna a lot to talk to him

13:05

about and we'll do that right now all

13:08

right good to have Josh Lucas back

13:10

on with us as we inch closer

13:12

and closer to the NFL Draft and

13:15

lean on his expertise and years of

13:17

going through this process and continuing to

13:19

do so this year with

13:22

us and Josh thanks for jumping back on with

13:24

us we had some big news last night the

13:26

Bears making a big trade

13:28

for Keenan Allen just what was your

13:31

initial reaction to adding you

13:34

know I mean one

13:37

of the best wide receivers in the league quite frankly obviously

13:39

he's older now but this is still a 100 yard or

13:43

100 catch player thousand

13:45

yard receiving every

13:47

single year it seems like that they've just added to

13:49

the squad receiver room yeah I think the first

13:53

reaction I've always have

13:56

not been a big fan of Adding.

14:00

Any skill position over thirty

14:02

years old. Into.

14:05

Your roster. For.

14:07

Specially when you're gonna have to

14:09

pay. Ah has not worked out

14:12

to favorably. Any

14:14

any of those situations I've been around

14:16

in the past. That.

14:18

Was my first blaze. Ah, it's.

14:22

Then. I watched his taste. Than.

14:25

I thought about the landscape of

14:28

what's the Bears wide receiver room

14:30

looks like right now. I'm.

14:34

Void. Of Mooney, you know there's

14:37

there's one starting receiver on the

14:39

depth chart. Now. You're

14:41

adding. A

14:43

bonafide starter. Who

14:46

after watching his tape last night. Can.

14:49

Clearly still play. He's

14:52

best in the slot. I would

14:54

compare him to. You.

14:57

Know that the thirty two year

14:59

old pitcher. In baseball who

15:01

tops out at eighty six miles

15:03

an hour? but still when sixteen

15:06

twenty games a year because he's

15:08

got outstanding command and four different

15:10

pitches and he can locate meant

15:12

as good as anyone. Like.

15:14

This This dude? Speeds

15:16

never been a part of his game, so

15:18

it's not like. A dick. a

15:21

little decline speed is going to take too

15:23

much away from him. He.

15:25

Sudden any is. Really?

15:28

Athletic. He changes

15:30

pace. As. Good as

15:32

anyone you'll see, and that's how he creates.

15:35

One. On one wins against the Bees.

15:37

Ah, I'm even on the outside, he can

15:39

still play as he has to his best

15:42

when he's in the middle. Super.

15:44

Good feel. Ah, adverse own

15:46

coverage. Army's always been a

15:49

high volume kind of low

15:51

yards per catch guy. He's

15:54

definitely going to make them better. I

15:57

think if you're a Bears fan, Got

16:00

better. Ah, I'm if

16:02

you're if you're Keenan Allen

16:04

fantasy football owner. His

16:07

his numbers are about to take

16:09

up a plummet because us, regardless

16:11

of who's playing quarterback if it's

16:13

yes in or or a rookie.

16:16

I still think these things going to be built through

16:18

the run. You know they added Swiss.

16:20

They're going have a nice compliment A backs they've

16:22

shown the last two years. they can run the

16:24

shit out of all. Arm. And.

16:27

You don't want to take too many targets

16:29

away from Dj. Ah, So the but

16:31

I don't think there's can be quite know

16:34

volume of targets to go his way, but

16:36

he makes them better. I

16:38

was a little shots that they were

16:41

willing to take on twenty three million

16:43

dollars this year. So. Don't

16:45

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some

16:47

kind of. Extension

16:50

Renegotiation. Take. A

16:52

lesson that cash hit in two

16:54

thousand. Twenty four. Or. Maybe they

16:56

have it in in there are just saying hey, we'll

16:58

We'll ride with it for a year and see what

17:00

happens. Am. I would imagine they're

17:03

going to try to get some extent

17:05

of it, lessen the cashier and then

17:07

no, no, no, you haven't for another.

17:09

You. Know two or three more years as

17:12

he finishes at his career arm and

17:14

then just had his if it is

17:16

a rookie quarterback. Is. Nice

17:18

to have to really, really, you

17:20

know, Bona. That. Mature.

17:23

Experience guy's arm and Dj and

17:25

in obviously keen to help act

17:27

it out. And. Said I wanted

17:29

to hit on because. In a way

17:31

it's starting to like. Remind me what you guys

17:33

did. In. Two thousand and

17:35

eighteen. when mids was your guys

17:38

tend to build around and be

17:40

brought in. L Robinson Taylor, Gabriel

17:42

Byrne's drafted as he Miller at

17:44

that time like the investment was

17:47

in made to improve. The.

17:49

Quarterback situation So like. Maybe.

17:51

Expand on that a little bit like you fit

17:54

his tail, williams. What? Do you

17:56

think he's walking into now with Dj?

17:58

With. Seen in. With call with gerald

18:01

effort with a true center this time and

18:03

com and shelton like what do you think

18:05

the Bears are now providing a rookie. The

18:08

either there I thought even

18:10

before these moves were made.

18:13

They were pretty well set up. To.

18:15

Him to to handle. Green

18:18

a rookie quarterback if he if he's

18:20

got a player one arm. You.

18:23

Know they they, they show and they can

18:25

protect the shown they can run the ball.

18:28

Valve, a number one receiver and now, like

18:30

he said, they just made these additions. If

18:34

you know you're taking a quarterback in the

18:36

first round, It is

18:38

your responsibility as an organization.

18:41

To. Do everything you can to put

18:43

as much talent around that player

18:45

as possible to help them succeed.

18:48

Because the matter who it is,

18:50

Caleb or any these guys. The.

18:52

Rookie year specially for kill Cams. Guess a

18:55

change. The way plays football, it's like it

18:57

is a different style football. I'm sort of

18:59

he's forced to play or one. Arm.

19:03

You. Know if he the more health it

19:05

is obvious the more help you have A

19:07

random. On. The better off

19:09

he's gonna be his be less pressure on

19:11

him. Ah, My still face. The.

19:14

Same we'll the the Aussies

19:16

coming from Seattle. You

19:18

of a runs the I think it's going to

19:20

be high volume run I'm so I think the

19:22

pressures going to be off. Whichever. Quarterback

19:25

is playing next year. And

19:27

when he's gonna throw the ball, Daves,

19:30

They're starting to put together. A

19:32

nice little basketball team of of

19:34

targets for him because. If.

19:37

They were to hit at nine am,

19:39

one of these receivers or even layer

19:41

you know in the second round like

19:44

visitors. And. There's some

19:46

good receivers in this draft, so. Ill.

19:48

If they were to hated nine am one

19:50

of these receivers in your own out there

19:53

with. With. Cj Keen in In,

19:55

In. One. Of those top three

19:57

cats, it's in this draft. The Consensus Top

19:59

three. Ah, Me know of

20:01

of Marvin, the leak in them

20:03

and dunes I am. We.

20:07

That's that's a pretty good that would. We

20:09

didn't have any close to that. he now

20:11

permits we had. We had some good players

20:13

but. That. That there would be

20:15

some high level talented to to put around

20:17

or of a rookie quarterback or even if

20:19

it's just an. August.

20:21

Speaking adjust in what do you

20:24

make of the developments. Kind of

20:26

gone back to the Combine the

20:28

last few weeks year in you

20:30

know first of all general manager

20:32

openly talking about publicly the idea

20:35

of trading and not committing the

20:37

training and publicly but. Even

20:39

talking about that publicly and doing

20:42

right by Justin is not typically

20:44

something you see or a general

20:46

manager. Ah, I'm. Say.

20:49

Publicly with the media unless it's in

20:51

i'm Gonna Happen I it I think

20:53

we probably agree that Ryan Pace probably

20:56

would not have been so open. ah

20:58

you know in in talking about that

21:00

publicly and then. Nothing.

21:03

Really happening here. and a bunch of

21:05

other moves. a bunch other trades, quarterback

21:07

movement across the league now down a

21:09

backups been moved and Justin still in

21:11

Chicago? Would you make of all this.

21:14

So. Yeah.

21:16

I felt when I when I saw

21:19

the the in the press conference that

21:21

I'm something was imminent because they had

21:23

something done. Ah, but maybe.

21:26

Maybe. Maybe maybe Atlanta? Didn't

21:29

think there really a cousin in were prepared

21:31

to move on just in this. Because.

21:34

His building go through be a cousins

21:36

obviously could easily said ads want to

21:39

stay here in Minnesota. Or

21:42

he was just being open, candid with

21:45

everyone. Same you know will. We obviously

21:47

have the first pick in. it's looking

21:49

like were taken quarterback in in. you

21:51

know if we get their idea will

21:53

move on him on. The.

21:55

there's two things that can be going on

21:58

right now wanted she says extremely the market

22:00

for the player specifically.

22:04

If you look at his career numbers, you look at

22:06

his performance in the fourth quarter,

22:08

the fumbles, the win-loss record,

22:10

you can make an argument that

22:12

his value probably

22:15

isn't as high as what

22:17

everyone thought it was gonna be post season when

22:19

he had a little bit of momentum going. So

22:22

you could have a depressed market where, hey, it's not

22:24

worth moving them for a fourth or fifth round pick.

22:30

The other thing that could be happening is, the

22:34

NFL is screaming and telling

22:36

everyone that the best thing to do

22:38

for a rookie quarterback is not to

22:41

play them. Without

22:43

a doubt, it helps any of

22:45

them, whether it's Caleb, whether

22:48

it's Jaden, whether it's Drake, whether it's JJ.

22:51

The best situation is to not have to

22:53

play. Justin would

22:56

be an ideal bridge to

22:58

get to the second year for the

23:00

rookie quarterback. We

23:03

tried to do it with Mike Glennon and it

23:05

blew up on our face and we had to

23:07

play Mitch way too soon. Andy

23:09

got hurt in the second

23:12

or third game against Cincinnati and then we

23:14

got into this rotation thing. But ideally,

23:16

Andy could have stayed healthy that whole year

23:18

and Justin could have played a second

23:21

year. So I don't

23:24

know what they're thinking

23:27

inside Hallis Hall, but it's not a bad

23:29

idea. In

23:33

a vacuum, to me, it's the best

23:35

situation. Let Justin play this

23:37

fourth year, let the

23:39

rookie sit, especially if it's

23:41

Caleb, because he's gonna need an

23:44

adjustment to not only how he plays, but

23:46

he could probably use a year of where

23:48

the media is not breathing down his back.

23:51

And to grow up and to mature and to

23:53

see what it's like to be a pro and

23:56

to learn from Justin. In a

23:58

vacuum, to me, it's the best scenario. for

24:00

Justin to play and then

24:02

for the rookie to sit. But

24:05

we all know it's not a vacuum

24:08

and if it is Caleb and

24:12

you're deciding to keep Justin the

24:14

circus is coming to town. Like training

24:17

camp will be nuts, every throw will

24:20

be will be micro analyzed and

24:23

if you're mature

24:25

enough inside your building, if you have quality

24:28

leadership, if you have good people in your

24:30

locker room, that

24:33

part shouldn't matter. The

24:35

risk of

24:37

playing Justin next year and letting the

24:40

rookie sit is

24:42

if it divides the locker room.

24:44

If somehow people

24:46

start taking sides. I

24:49

don't anticipate, I couldn't see that

24:52

happening because I feel like Justin

24:54

has the backing of his teammates.

24:57

And I don't see some rookie coming in and

25:00

pulling that support away from Justin no

25:02

matter who it is and no matter

25:04

how well he's practicing. But

25:06

there is the risk of that. It

25:09

has happened before in our league and

25:11

it's damaged the team and ruined seasons.

25:13

So like you have to weigh that risk versus

25:17

the positive of being able to sit

25:19

a rookie quarterback and play

25:21

with a vet who's going to

25:23

be surrounded by a good team. And look at the end of

25:26

the year they showed you not only

25:28

can they hang with playoff teams, they can

25:30

beat playoff teams. So like the

25:32

defense is going to be better. Justin

25:34

will be better if it's in his

25:37

fourth year and you get

25:39

to sit a rookie quarterback. Which I

25:41

know like there's

25:44

this pressure when once you draft a guy in the

25:46

first round, you got to play him, you got to

25:48

play him. If you can

25:50

sit him and let him learn history has told us

25:53

it benefits the kid greatly. With

25:55

what you know about Justin,

25:58

do you think think

26:00

he'd be okay with that? Like he

26:02

just drafted a quarterback first overall and you want

26:04

me to stay to be your bridge quarterback? Like

26:06

I was your first pick not

26:09

too long ago. Like do you think he

26:12

would accept that? Do you think he would be

26:14

okay with that or is it just a hard

26:16

reality that I'm

26:19

looking around the league this is my best chance to

26:21

play to reprove myself to everybody? Like

26:23

knowing what you know about Justin? I

26:28

think the league's telling him his

26:30

value right now and all

26:32

he wants is a chance to start somewhere

26:35

and prove that he can get better and be better

26:38

and to me what better place to do it

26:40

than the place he's done it the last three

26:42

years where he's comfortable, he knows the building, he

26:45

knows the teammates, he knows the team's gonna be

26:47

better. Obviously

26:49

the GM did not draft him

26:51

so you know

26:53

obviously he's well aware of that and he's probably

26:55

known for a long time that there's always a

26:58

chance that this new regime could come

27:00

in and get their own guy. I

27:03

think Justin would handle it well. My

27:07

concern would be more how

27:09

the rookie handles it. You

27:12

know I think there's probably, you

27:15

talked about these top four quarterbacks,

27:19

without me knowing enough about their character

27:21

and their back and their makeup because

27:23

that's not something I've had a

27:25

chance to really go learn. You know all

27:28

I know is the tape. I'm

27:30

guessing a couple of them would probably handle it

27:32

much better than a couple of

27:34

the other ones and the one I would

27:37

be worried about the most is Caleb because

27:39

I think Caleb walks into any building and he

27:42

thinks he's the best player and that's probably a

27:44

healthy thing in a lot of ways but

27:47

could cause some distractions early on

27:50

but I think Justin is mature

27:52

enough, self-confident

27:54

enough to say

27:56

hey I'll welcome the competition

27:59

and. The he'll give me a chance

28:01

that to be a starter. I'm in

28:03

show the league that I can play and in

28:05

in I'm the long run that could benefit the

28:07

Bears. I'm. Yeah

28:09

obviously. It's. If

28:12

he were to play really well, I'm.

28:14

You. Know is in In. Obviously they're not

28:16

do his fifth year option so you'd be

28:19

a free agent if he were to sign

28:21

somewhere for a lot of money. That's. You.

28:23

Know it opens the door to come

28:25

compensatory picks down the road, so there's

28:27

a lot of ways it could benefit

28:29

them. I'm if he were to say

28:31

imply such as mean, let's play this

28:33

out a little bit. Your. As

28:36

I agree with you in a vacuum,

28:39

that's not a terrible situation. The reality

28:41

is, training camp comes like you said.

28:43

Every single throws gonna be over analyze.

28:45

there will be anyway. Well you know,

28:48

whether Justin stays or Calebs here. Ah,

28:50

but now you got some type of.

28:53

Even of the bears come out say there's

28:55

no competition Caleb sitting. Everyone

28:57

will make and a competition on day

28:59

to day basis over who's playing well

29:02

and eat practice. I remember when mates

29:04

with city by might. Ah, there was

29:06

the issue of us even having availability

29:08

teacher bespeak as everybody wanted to hear

29:10

from the rookie quarterback and I think

29:12

during camp before they're required to talk

29:14

every week. It was like every other

29:17

week we would talk the Mr something

29:19

like that and then once the season

29:21

began every player has to be made

29:23

available to you. Had Mike Glennon in

29:25

a press conference room as much bigger

29:27

with half the amount of media that

29:30

was huddled around Mitchell's locker. ah in

29:32

the locker room cramping things up. That's

29:34

just the reality of how would be

29:36

around once again with tail a mania

29:38

coming to town on me while Justin

29:40

has struggled to stay healthy. So the

29:42

second he gets hurt which is bound

29:45

to happen at some point Taylor probably

29:47

comes and employees ah or he doesn't

29:49

somebody else. Brett ribbons going come in

29:51

and player plays and bages gonna come

29:53

in and points. Ah that's gonna set

29:55

up another controversy in. A

29:58

compensatory pick sounds great, but. Justin's playing

30:00

well, don't you look to trade him

30:02

before the trade deadline? Well with that

30:05

I was gonna bring that up But if

30:07

he's playing well and you're in in the

30:09

playoff hunt this all comes down

30:11

to Another interesting topic

30:13

that you know, we won't

30:15

have time to delve into Today

30:19

because it's You know,

30:22

there's everyone in that building's got an

30:24

agenda And that's

30:26

all 32 buildings The

30:29

GM's got an agenda the head coach

30:31

has got an agenda in the first

30:33

year OC's got an agenda So

30:36

if you're the head coach who's got a

30:38

win this year or he's

30:40

gone and you're playing well Because

30:44

Justin's playing well You

30:46

think he's gonna want to trade the quarterback in the middle

30:49

of the year and right for a rookie out there So

30:51

like that that's a whole

30:53

nother two-hour discussion So

30:56

the bottom line is this is I

30:59

think for all of us on the outside looking

31:01

in This could go

31:03

a million ways You know

31:06

most likely scenario, obviously,

31:08

you know, they they they probably think

31:10

they can get a fourth Recoup

31:12

that fourth they let they lost last

31:14

night, you know for Keenan But

31:17

maybe they just waited out a little bit to see

31:19

what happens in the draft and see if someone's willing

31:21

to give them some A little richer and

31:24

Justin's in another building next year. That's probably

31:26

the most likely situation but

31:28

I don't think it's Far-fetched at

31:30

all to think that in the

31:32

back of their minds they're having that discussion of

31:35

hey What if what if we just let Justin

31:37

play a year and let let whoever we take

31:39

sit Alright, so let's beyond

31:42

the quarterback conversation beyond the

31:45

first pick like what do you

31:47

think Keenan Allen's arrival

31:49

place on this roster means for Number

31:53

nine like I think it

31:55

helps you if one of those top three receivers

31:57

isn't there and there's a run on them before

31:59

You like okay I could take the

32:01

best pass rusher like or I

32:03

could trade back because someone's calling up for

32:06

JJ McCarthy like what do you think that means?

32:09

What the number nine pick I I thought On

32:15

Tuesday or Wednesday when I was just kind

32:17

of looking over the guys they've signed and

32:19

what that depth chart looked like That

32:23

some way somehow before the draft

32:26

They needed to add a

32:28

legit wide receiver or pass

32:31

rusher Whether

32:33

that's a three technique, which obviously we

32:36

know are impossible to find and they

32:38

went fast Or

32:40

a defensive end to play opposite

32:42

of sweat To

32:46

Allow you some versatility and and

32:51

Allow more options at pick nine So

32:54

I think I think you're

32:56

right in saying having Keenan

32:58

in the building and having

33:01

DJ If

33:04

they want to take the best defensive

33:06

player available which which real realistically could

33:09

be The

33:11

first or second guy in

33:13

your board defensively like you're hoping

33:16

all four of these quarterbacks go

33:18

Two Of

33:21

those receivers are gonna go for

33:23

sure and there's a really good chance

33:25

that the Tackle from Notre

33:27

Dame could go and you're

33:30

getting really close to nine and

33:33

no defensive player has gone yet

33:36

Might guess the most likely Defensive

33:38

player to go before nine is gonna

33:41

be Dallas Turner because

33:43

of that rare upside

33:46

And so you could

33:48

be sitting there at nine with your your

33:50

your second and third and Maybe

33:53

even your first defensive player on the

33:55

board. So did that adding?

33:59

that So a solid

34:01

starting wide receiver. So

34:03

now you have two And obviously

34:05

you still got to add another one and

34:07

there's a lot of receivers in this draft

34:10

If they don't get one at nine Josh

34:13

getting back to the quarterbacks Is

34:17

Caleb Williams still QB one for

34:19

you? Is there? Have

34:21

you had any New information.

34:23

I know you're going off mostly the tape

34:25

as you said earlier But I mean do

34:27

you do you still feel that way and

34:29

is there a gap between him and everybody

34:31

else? Where are you at with these top

34:34

four quarterbacks? Let's say no gap

34:36

him and then a gap as far

34:38

as pure talent Pure

34:41

throwing ability Mixed

34:43

in with the athleticism and the instincts that's

34:45

never changed for me as

34:48

this process wears on You

34:51

start to hear more and more stuff There's

34:54

a handful of things I've heard That

34:57

would scare the shit out of me with

35:00

that player specifically But

35:04

I do not know that they're true these

35:06

are this is coming from Sources,

35:09

you know, so there's so much smoke

35:11

right now. I Don't

35:14

know Kayla Williams. I'm not gonna pretend to know

35:16

him He could be the

35:18

greatest guy in the world for all I know But

35:21

there's a few things that I've heard that

35:23

could be quite disruptive to

35:25

his to his process and

35:31

That has to be vetted You

35:34

know before you are willing to take him at that

35:36

pick and they'll

35:38

have plenty of time and Plenty

35:41

of exposure and plenty of opportunity

35:43

to make sure they know what

35:45

they're getting in the player As

35:49

far as the other three guys go

35:52

You know, I think

35:56

they're all worthy from a talent standpoint

36:00

But none of those three guys to

36:02

me are going to be

36:04

transcendent. Just drop them into every, any bucket

36:06

of any team and they're going to change

36:08

your organization. I think all three of those

36:10

guys are going to need a lot of

36:12

help around them. Do

36:15

you have any favorite? I

36:18

guess risers with, with, with all the tape that you're

36:20

watching, like, are you creating a list of favorite

36:23

players for yourself? Like players that you

36:25

would, yeah. Oh, the

36:28

player there's two players right now

36:31

that I'm absolutely in love with. Both

36:33

go to Texas, both from Texas. Um,

36:36

the defense Alliance environment, Byron

36:38

Murphy, he is

36:41

special. He's a hell of a player. Um,

36:44

you know, when I originally saw the

36:47

body type, you know, little

36:49

bit of concern with the height and the length,

36:52

but the way he plays and

36:55

the power in his hands, he

36:58

can compensate for a little bit. It still shows

37:00

up. You watch the Washington game. There's a few

37:02

times where the lack of length really shows up,

37:05

but you want to talk about an ass

37:07

kicker with a motor that has

37:09

instincts he's cocked

37:12

strong. He can leverage, he

37:14

can rush the quarterback. He can win on

37:17

edges. He can win with power. He's

37:19

really, really dynamic. Um,

37:21

he's going to be the first defensive tackle

37:23

taken and he's going to, he's going to

37:26

be a hell of a player in the

37:28

NFL and he's extremely scheme versatile. You

37:30

know, whether you can play him at the three, you

37:32

can play him at the one, you could play him

37:34

at all different types of positions in, in, in, in,

37:37

in an odd front. Um, you

37:39

know, even though he's not that ideal

37:41

six, four, six, five long guy, he

37:43

can compensate for it with a lot

37:45

of ways, man. His, his grip strength

37:47

is rare. He gets his

37:49

hands into tackles and guards chest

37:52

and the way he can just snatch and

37:54

jerk those guys. It's, it's pretty special. Uh,

37:57

and he can run, you know, he ran

37:59

for eight. at the combine. He's

38:03

a guy that I would

38:06

be super excited

38:08

to draft at any point in this

38:10

draft in the

38:13

first round. And then the other

38:15

guy, I would turn it on the tape to

38:18

watch Worthy from Texas. This

38:22

is pre-combine. This is before the combine.

38:24

But obviously, we all knew Worthy had

38:26

world-class speed, and I wanted to watch it.

38:30

Doni Mitchell is

38:34

the most talented wide receiver in

38:36

this class right alongside

38:38

Marvin Harrison. If

38:41

these guys all hit their ceiling

38:44

in three years, to

38:46

me, those are going to be the top two guys. And

38:50

he didn't just do it

38:52

this year. This kid did it

38:54

since the first day he walked on Georgia's campus.

38:58

You want a fun fact on Doni

39:00

Mitchell. Five

39:02

college playoff games. His

39:05

true freshman year, they played Bama. They

39:08

beat Michigan, and then they beat Bama. His

39:12

sophomore year, they beat Ohio State, and then

39:15

they beat TCU. His junior

39:17

year, they lost to Washington. Five

39:20

playoff games, he scored a touchdown in every

39:22

one of those games, including

39:26

the game-winning touchdown against

39:29

Ohio State in the fourth

39:31

quarter, where he ran a hell of a route

39:34

against a future

39:36

first-round pick in

39:38

Denzel Burke for Ohio State. He

39:42

is uber-talented.

39:45

He's a little raw. He's

39:47

just scratching the surface. He's

39:49

got to get better after the catch, because he's

39:52

got the skill set to be a good run-after-catch

39:54

guy. But of all

39:56

these receivers, even Marvin. No

40:00

one consistently whoops

40:03

corners on the outside. I

40:06

didn't see anyone who can cover him. He's

40:08

played Bama three times. They can't cover him.

40:11

Like he has high

40:13

end ability. And

40:17

really, I think there's some character

40:19

stuff people are concerned about. Because

40:21

he really, in my opinion, he belongs in

40:24

that top three group. He

40:26

belongs in that category. There's no gap. And

40:30

he's got the biggest upside. Missed his

40:32

senior year of high school football. You

40:35

know, missed pretty much his whole sophomore

40:37

year at Georgia due to an injury.

40:40

He hasn't played a ton of football. And

40:43

he's just got the body type,

40:46

the burst. A guy that

40:48

big that can drop his weight and change

40:50

directions. Like it's the stuff he does is

40:52

pretty special. So those are two guys that

40:55

are really hot right now. And

40:57

then the other receiver from North

41:00

Carolina who's much

41:03

more of a wild card. Tez Walker.

41:06

He is extremely

41:08

interesting. He's play

41:11

speed. When you talk

41:13

about on the outside against a

41:15

corner, stacking a corner

41:17

vertically, he's the fastest

41:19

guy in the draft. He runs by

41:22

guys on the outside better

41:24

than Worley does at Texas. His

41:26

play speed is sick.

41:28

And he can track the ball

41:30

and he's tall and he's long.

41:32

Now, he's a terrible route runner.

41:35

He's not played a ton of football.

41:37

Two years at Kent State, one year

41:39

in North Carolina. He stiffened his lower

41:41

body so there's limitations. But

41:43

there could be, I wouldn't

41:46

be surprised at all if

41:48

this kid becomes, you know, a

41:51

bona fide deep threat in this league that

41:53

scares the death out of the defensive coordinators

41:56

because he is tall, long, and can roll.

41:59

All right. We're going to... finish with two

42:01

more questions and we'll try to

42:03

get through them quickly but any of

42:07

these free agent additions that the Bears signed this week

42:09

really stand out to you or any that you're like

42:11

I have no idea why they signed that guy. I

42:14

think they went I like

42:16

the kind of you know

42:19

bargain basement shopping

42:21

and free agency you know I think there's

42:23

always one to three

42:25

guys that are big ticket

42:27

items that you want to try to land I

42:29

think for them this year is probably if one

42:32

of those three techniques popped open and

42:35

the only one that hit the market really was

42:37

was the Dolphins guy Wilkins

42:43

and and I don't know if they

42:45

got in it or not you know I

42:47

heard they got they got in on Saquon you

42:49

know and there's there's only

42:51

so many of them that that you can get

42:53

in on and whether they

42:56

just got out bed who knows but

42:58

what they did do was add they

43:01

were prudent I think they were fiscally

43:04

responsible they didn't go out and spend

43:06

crazy money on anybody the

43:10

the new OCs coming from Seattle so

43:12

obviously he wants a quality

43:15

stable of backs they

43:17

upgraded there he's the most

43:19

talented back they have now I

43:22

really like his ability in the past game which was

43:24

featured more in Detroit than it was in Philly the

43:28

trade for Ryan Bates you

43:31

know a guy that's only

43:33

making four million dollars a year if he's

43:35

got to start at any position you're

43:38

gonna be happy he's gonna get you through the game

43:40

he can be your starting center if he has to

43:42

be I'm

43:44

not as familiar with the Rams guy that they signed

43:46

it you know as far as him

43:49

being the for sure starting center I know Bates

43:51

can start if he has to I

43:54

didn't mind that trade at all Gerald

43:56

Everett is a upgrade we

43:59

talked about this as as far as needs when

44:01

we did the personnel. They had to get a U-Tight

44:03

end. He is an upgrade over

44:05

Tonyan. He's getting close to 30.

44:08

He's not a true one-on-one winner that

44:11

you won at that position, but he

44:13

brings much more speed. He can threat

44:15

you vertically. And he's also

44:17

a much better blocker in space than Tonyan

44:20

was. He's kind

44:22

of been on these career one-year, $6

44:25

million deals, two-year 12. He's

44:27

kind of been his thing since 21. So

44:30

I like that timing as well. Let's

44:33

hit on Gerald Everett for a second, because

44:36

I mentioned this the other

44:38

day that he was drafted one spot

44:40

ahead of Adam Shaheen in that

44:42

2017 draft. Is

44:44

there any type of

44:47

story from that unfolding in that second

44:49

round that year that you can share

44:51

just with Gerald Everett going off the

44:53

board? Did you guys like him too?

44:56

Yes, I have the board right in front of me.

44:59

You know, the idea for

45:02

us was, you

45:07

know, we had signed Dion Sims to

45:09

kind of be a band-aid Y-Tight end.

45:13

And we had Eric, Zach Miller, who

45:15

we thought we could get a couple

45:18

more years out of. The

45:21

priority, if it came

45:23

down to it, was drafting a

45:26

true Y-Tight end that

45:28

could be a hand in

45:30

the dirt guy, control the line of scrimmage,

45:32

and add value in the pass game. And

45:36

Jokku was our top tight end as

45:39

far as the guy that could do it all. Obviously, he

45:41

went in the first round. There was

45:43

a couple U receivers,

45:46

you know, that we

45:48

really liked that were, you know, just

45:50

pass catchers. Gerald Everett weighed 227 pounds

45:53

coming out. So

45:56

there was Ingram, there was

45:58

O.J. Howard. it was Everett,

46:01

Ingram and Howard went in the first round as

46:03

well or before we picked. So

46:06

when we got to our pick, like even

46:09

though Everett was

46:12

graded right, we had him right behind

46:14

Shaheen, like we were going to take the

46:16

lie tight end. You know, that's

46:18

what we thought are harder to find.

46:21

The smaller pass-catching guys are

46:23

easier to find. We

46:27

knew we were taking a huge risk and

46:29

taking a guy that was

46:31

coming from Ashland and there

46:35

was a possibility of a Grand Slam or

46:37

a strikeout and obviously we struck out. And

46:41

it's unfortunate that of

46:43

all those guys, he was the one that by

46:46

far had the least production and

46:49

the least impressive

46:51

career. But that

46:53

was the situation. We

46:56

grade those guys in two separate

46:58

categories, like the true why versus

47:00

more of the you undersized pass-catcher

47:03

and we were coveting the why tight end

47:05

more. But we had all those

47:07

guys graded in the second round. They were all kind of

47:10

clumped together. All

47:12

right. Well now he's

47:14

on the bears anyway, a few years later. That's

47:16

funny how that works out. And

47:18

then the last thing, I like

47:21

Bayard because

47:26

you have a young secondary. You

47:29

lose the maturity in the vet in

47:31

Eddie. And

47:33

even though Bayard has fallen

47:35

off, he lacks ideal

47:37

range. He can be

47:40

compromised in some one-on-one situations. He's

47:43

a savvy vet that can get his

47:45

hands on the ball. And

47:48

I think that's kind of been an undervalued,

47:50

not talked about a

47:53

lot, addition for the bears. You

47:56

really just replaced Eddie

47:59

with a similar type. player, you know,

48:01

a guy that's more instinctive and and

48:03

going to get his hands on the ball than

48:06

he is physically gifted and fast. So

48:08

I think they're doing a really good job. I

48:12

don't think this team as long as this

48:14

regime's in place is ever gonna

48:16

have to go wild in free agency because

48:19

they've shown they can draft really well. And

48:22

then the other thing is we didn't talk about

48:24

is cap space and

48:28

cash are two different things.

48:31

People talk about the cap all the

48:33

time. It's the most meaningless discussions. If

48:36

you have no cap space, you can

48:38

create cap space with cash. It's all

48:40

about cash. So the Bears are

48:42

working under a budget. So even though they

48:44

have a huge cash or cap

48:47

space, it doesn't necessarily mean they

48:49

have the cash to spend it. And

48:52

we all know what's going on.

48:54

They got, they're saying they're gonna

48:57

commit two billion dollars to

48:59

a stadium downtown. They spent

49:02

160 million on an empty plot of land. Like

49:05

that stuff plays into your

49:07

yearly cash budget. So

49:10

they could be operating under some

49:12

restraints, you

49:14

know, due to those situations that

49:17

could also lead them to

49:19

be more bargain-shopping than perhaps

49:22

they would have been if they

49:24

had more cash available. I'm glad

49:26

you circled back to that because I heard you

49:28

mentioned that earlier when we were talking about Keenan

49:30

Allen and how you mentioned the cash. You didn't

49:32

mention the cap. We know the cap's not

49:34

a problem right now. So that did caught my ear and

49:36

I'm glad you circled back because I was gonna ask you

49:38

about that. So that's super interesting.

49:40

The cap is the

49:43

most over talked about thing. I've spent 10

49:45

years in New Orleans. We were over the

49:47

cap every year. It's like a running road

49:49

now. We're way over the cap. How are

49:51

we gonna do this? How are we gonna

49:53

do that? Guess what? We signed who we

49:55

wanted to sign. We kept pushing

49:58

contracts out into the future. I'm sure it'll come

50:00

back to bite them in the ass at some

50:02

point in time But it's been 15 years

50:05

later and they're still competitive and obviously they're

50:07

not as good anymore cuz they don't have

50:09

Drew and Sean but like If

50:12

you don't have cap space and you want to

50:14

create it You can create it if your owner

50:16

is willing to spend cash cash is

50:18

king. That's all it's all about that The

50:21

whole the whole cap thing is is just kind

50:23

of you know a parameter that

50:25

is needed But it

50:27

can be circumvented in all types of ways All

50:30

right. Well, we'll keep that in mind if they end

50:32

up restructuring that Kenan Allen deal here be interesting to

50:35

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50:37

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50:59

the athletic calm All

51:02

right, my biggest reaction that I think we have to go back to

51:05

in the entire interview with

51:07

Josh Lucas Did he

51:09

go did he say Byron

51:11

Murphy? cockstrong You

51:15

took note of that too Yeah, I mean

51:17

he did he did I probably

51:19

should jump in and follow it up, but We

51:23

have a definition of what that means like literally within

51:26

that moment like I What

51:30

you're gonna go I you know me

51:32

I love scouting buzzwords, I mean

51:34

I do you got to be careful googling that I feel like True

51:39

also true, but if you put the

51:41

word definition in there, it's safe Okay,

51:43

so I have an individual who acts

51:46

manly and or khaki Okay,

51:49

here's another one a type of physical strength that

51:51

is not derived from the weight room Balls

51:57

oh I'm

52:00

now spitting on my mic. Yep All

52:03

right, this is where this podcast is gone

52:05

Well, I was just like is this one

52:07

of those like borderline uncomfortable scouting terms or

52:10

is this a real? This is a this

52:12

is a real definition and then our producer

52:14

kit here has brought to

52:16

our attention I Think

52:20

we dive into this Because

52:23

there might be a connection to Matt Eberflus like

52:26

we might actually have to ask loose a question

52:28

here because we know flus Has his nicknames we

52:30

know rod marinelli is his mentor

52:33

one of his mentors And

52:35

there's a story from the Dallas Morning

52:37

News from 20 It's

52:41

actually from 2015 But

52:43

it goes back to when rod marinelli arrived in

52:46

2013 to help the Dallas

52:48

Cowboys defense Key members of the

52:50

unit were given nicknames that the

52:52

sound familiar flus in his nicknames Nick

52:56

Hayden Badger

52:58

by the way Nick Hayden graduated from Wisconsin the same

53:00

year as me Nick

53:04

Hayden's nickname given to him by rod marinelli

53:07

was golden cock Don't

53:10

get mad at me this is in the Dallas Morning

53:12

News. It's legitimate. Yeah. Yeah Why

53:16

would be managing? I

53:18

think everybody's now thankful that you revisited this story

53:20

from the Dallas Morning News. Well, this is all

53:22

Kent I mean he he's the Cowboys guy and

53:24

he brought it to our attention. This is great

53:28

and apparently

53:31

Now I'm clicking on a Twitter link Apparently

53:34

there were actually t-shirts made up So

53:39

what we are now Suggesting

53:41

that when the Bears do draft

53:44

Byron Murphy with the ninth overall pick

53:47

The t-shirts are not saying Hogan John

53:49

shirts, but t-shirts Be

53:52

made with the nickname talk

53:55

strong I mean

53:57

I Don't

53:59

know quite. Qualifies as an obvious shirt.

54:02

Little. less obvious of his shirt, but.

54:05

I put than obviously good nickname assuming this

54:07

is what I love and loyalty get behind

54:09

this for dessert. Like I love

54:11

talk in the stock and ball.

54:14

With. with josh because all the

54:16

the scouting. Terms. Get

54:19

thrown in there again like a he reverts

54:21

to that and it's like I love it.

54:24

I love scouting lingo and this is this

54:26

is a good one. Yeah,

54:29

I'm. But. It also makes

54:31

me wonder. About. The. Less.

54:35

Clean Nicknames. That

54:38

flus. Might have for members on the

54:40

that we haven't heard I be I feel

54:42

like we've only her own. Like may Go Shark

54:44

okay but of Rod Marinelli really your meds

54:46

or there must be some. There must be some

54:48

better nicknames and this the same the down a

54:51

bit and makes you wonder what the nicknames

54:53

really are. Frost. The

54:56

idea that visual of like one

54:58

of those bears Mike's up behind

55:00

the scenes cameras precipitous for a

55:02

can or ounce. I five a

55:04

guy to forfeit. He says it

55:06

all goes like. If

55:10

we did start the flu since assists the wicked

55:12

the thought of lose the going to be owners

55:14

means is there. I mean we might. Does that

55:16

do though? Interview on this Miss Snow at Some

55:18

it Up for sure. What?

55:21

Like a youth? Come on dude we're we're

55:23

here are the owners means the weather's nice

55:25

were for we need every name and have

55:27

on us right now. Just spilt spill it

55:30

A and the nicknames it. As for the

55:32

media as I'm saying oh okay Oh yes

55:34

okay those. The are all revealed

55:36

in this episode. I think it's it's

55:39

it's com um. That's. Fantastic

55:41

or it's ah. Anything

55:44

else serious That we surrender? Sexism? Ah

55:48

I'm set in all honesty like the

55:50

stuff I'm just i'm fields is it

55:52

is is fascinating like forget that the

55:54

press market top versus and just the

55:57

idea of. The Bears

55:59

being his. Situation. The.

56:02

To prove himself to the league again. In.

56:05

Ah, the Bears might be actually okay with

56:07

providing that given the right selection, a quarterback

56:09

and who they but next to be room

56:11

with. Just as Ill see, the only thing

56:14

I really. Does it

56:16

does? I do agree with that. Not

56:19

in a vacuum as he say happy to

56:21

the yeah I would Also is a couple

56:23

things like quibble with one is I think

56:25

caleb. Is

56:28

a little bit different than I do think he. Probably

56:31

should play right away. I'm.

56:35

To. Like

56:38

your follow up of whether or not just

56:40

him would be okay with that. Ah,

56:42

I. I

56:45

think publicly he would do what he's

56:47

done it from day one that he's

56:49

gotten here and. Put on a

56:51

brave face and say you know, yeah, whatever the team

56:53

needs me to do and all the staff. As

56:56

a private, leaps. how could you not be

56:58

like dude, you're gonna make me learn another

57:01

officer. And then I'm when I'm

57:03

at the Learn. Another offered next year because everyone

57:05

involved in the situation knows he wouldn't be here.

57:07

And twenty Twenty Five. I

57:10

just. I. Keep coming back.

57:12

This conversation I think of the conversation worth

57:15

having for the still on the roster. But.

57:19

I do. We've.

57:22

Been through this twice now. We went

57:24

through with Mister Risk. Went through it

57:26

would just feels. The

57:28

idea of setting these guys sounds

57:30

good. It it's not

57:33

very real is realistic and before you

57:35

bring up the chiefs and Ryan polls

57:37

was they're completely different situation and the

57:39

fact he was there he knows it's

57:42

a different situation. Will

57:45

history. History

57:47

is against this idea. It

57:49

it. It is

57:52

ah, who knows or. Something

57:56

about you know, I think about it. I'm

57:59

thinking about it. Than I ever have right now.

58:01

So feel like you're part of their Justin Fields

58:03

fan club? Like you For that person running their

58:05

twitter account might. Just.

58:08

Adam Feel this thinking about this. Is

58:12

close of Adam Fields. They. Haunt

58:15

myself as a the Oh Goddess of Adam

58:17

Adam Jones is they can mother's feals, Jewish

58:19

and I'm I'm still. I'm

58:22

laughing internally. Story now, so I

58:24

am last week. at least part.

58:27

of the get one I'd ah with a

58:30

good everybody list name and takes his ass

58:32

Lucas course for trump an hour with us

58:34

once again ah. We will

58:36

be back next week. With. A

58:39

couple more episodes. Some

58:41

important protests going on next week:

58:43

Saleable hims Jj Mccarthy. Ah,

58:47

Well us he's pro days and

58:49

the same days Alabama in Ohio

58:51

State? Yeah, So that's

58:54

interesting because. The.

58:56

Bears you have to split up resources elisa little

58:58

bit their. Yeah. That's. One

59:00

of those all and Sendak, everybody's out of the building.

59:04

Or maybe to send the defense of guys to

59:06

Alabama. Because a

59:09

flus has to go. To.

59:11

California. That's.

59:13

A good point. Yeah, I've your head coach there. With. With.

59:16

The potential? Aren't you better? But.

59:18

There's also Jc late them with

59:20

Alabama for if you're looking at

59:22

off at tackles potentially so. ah.

59:25

Resources. Last to be split up. he

59:27

also got Notre Dame on Thursday. Next week he

59:29

are Michigan on Friday so it's it's. And

59:33

will be a busy week on the protein

59:35

circuits are will have it all covered for

59:37

you along the way. We'll see if any

59:39

more moves are made over the weekend. Are

59:41

expecting Keenan Allen to be I introduced as

59:43

well. As some point

59:46

a really good so everything that happens we will

59:48

have you covered on the back end of it.

59:50

Be back Tuesday with another episode. I think that's

59:52

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