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Everyone. Same. the oh i'm

1:56

sure others quite a few people listening or

1:58

a an hour energy Enjoying a cup of

2:01

coffee or something like it after

2:03

a late night in the city. You know, it

2:05

was a beautiful day. Are you talking about me

2:07

right now? Is

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that a McLovin mug? Actually,

2:13

I got this when I was in Hawaii. Oh, I thought it

2:15

was a McLovin mug. It'd be a lot cooler. It would be

2:17

a lot cooler if it was McLovin. Yes.

2:21

Yeah, I would have set the odds of me

2:23

actually being up and having showered before the show

2:26

started. Maybe plus 1000 last

2:29

night. But no,

2:31

we're good. We're showered. We're we're

2:33

we're I'm feeling great. Maybe

2:36

still feeling some adrenaline from yesterday because I was wild

2:38

trying to cover even though we kind of knew the

2:40

trade was coming. Like

2:42

perhaps I mean, I don't know about you. I

2:44

was kind of red alert all day. It seemed

2:47

like there was something to the Steeler stuff and

2:49

it might actually go down and I'm

2:51

just happy it happened in about 545 and not 845. Well,

2:56

some of us went out at like 130. Yeah,

2:59

you went to true St. Patrick's Day. Right

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after the Keenan Allen press conference. And I

3:04

think there's a lot of us in

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that media room who accepted some of the risk.

3:08

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Chicagoans. We are allowed to enjoy a 55

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river dyed green. Yeah.

3:19

Had a little fun. Changed my afternoon a

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very much. Let's just start

4:20

with the train itself here. A

4:24

six-round pick next year

4:27

that could go to a fourth

4:29

depending on playing time parameters which

4:31

we don't necessarily know. Hopefully

4:33

at some point we'll have that. 51%

4:37

of the playing time, is it not?

4:39

Oh, is it? Yes. Okay.

4:41

Yes. Keep talking. I'll

4:44

get it up for you quickly. So basically if he ends

4:46

up playing more than Russell Wilson.

4:49

Long story short, it's a

4:51

six-round pick. Yeah. Russell

4:54

Wilson has to get hurt to change the

4:56

dynamics of the Steelers QB situation. Yeah, we'll

4:58

see. I mean, maybe we get into that

5:00

a little bit later on the podcast, what

5:02

Justin Fields could do. But

5:06

the Steelers did make it clear apparently to

5:08

Russell Wilson, there's been multiple reports out including

5:10

this morning, kind of double downing on that

5:12

that before this trade was made official and

5:14

public, Mike Tomlin called Russell Wilson

5:16

and said, hey, you're still our starter. Russell had

5:18

a nice tweet out there last night with the

5:20

picture of him dapping up Justin.

5:24

He had it ready to go. Yeah.

5:27

So that'll be a, that becomes

5:30

now, this is not a Steelers podcast, but

5:32

that becomes an interesting story in the NFL

5:34

this season without a doubt. I'm sure we'll

5:36

be paying attention to it throughout the season,

5:39

especially if it ends up affecting next year's draft

5:41

capital too. So my most

5:44

instant natural reaction as

5:46

the news was breaking and I'm on my phone

5:49

exiting this this family house party that we're at

5:52

is it's just a sixth round pick. Like

5:54

it's kind of shocking, like absolutely shocking in

5:57

a sense. That's all they were able to

5:59

get. for quarterback who

6:01

has been electric in moments numbers

6:04

don't look great in certain situations especially in

6:06

third quarters in four thousand two

6:08

minute situations but who had with

6:13

so much potential and hope not

6:15

too long ago like even answering this

6:17

past season so much potential so much

6:19

hope all that it

6:21

was shocking in a sense like that's it

6:23

like that that's my honest reaction like that was it

6:26

and sometimes the market just you that's

6:30

it and I think the Bears eventually

6:32

had to act on that market like to me

6:35

doing right by Justin Fields is

6:37

not dragging this out because

6:40

the mate debate which team would be

6:42

best but not dragging this

6:44

out into April

6:46

into draft during the draft that's

6:49

doing right by Justin Fields by the

6:51

Chicago Bears yeah I agree

6:54

with you there and you

6:56

know I could they

6:58

have gotten more for Justin there's this

7:00

you know there's this question about could they have

7:02

gotten more if they moved earlier I don't I

7:06

think they would have if they you

7:08

know would

7:11

have gotten more earlier I just I just think they

7:13

didn't now could they've got more

7:15

if they held on to him longer and maybe

7:17

this got closer to the draft or during the

7:19

draft when the team strikes out on a quarterback

7:22

maybe but

7:24

for what like is that six-round pick

7:27

next year gonna suddenly turn into a third this

7:29

year I

7:31

mean that's a big gap so

7:33

I I'm with

7:35

you that just sort of

7:38

stunning how this ended up playing out

7:40

you know at

7:42

one time there was talk about if Justin Fields

7:44

could get you get a first-round pick for him

7:48

but the can I'm looking back at

7:50

that probably there's some silliness there I

7:52

agree but multiple times Adam

7:54

Schefter came out was like yeah teams

7:57

are saying second or third And

8:00

that seemed to be what was the

8:02

consensus so the fact that There's

8:06

and it's not only what happened in this trade. It's

8:08

these other trades too, and I think we I think

8:10

Kent has some of these ready so

8:13

Desmond Ritter goes to Arizona

8:17

in straight a player for

8:19

player trade Atlanta gets Rondell

8:21

Moore back who's been I guess the productions

8:24

with somewhat disappointing But he's still a pretty

8:26

electric player like I would

8:28

have taken a run down more on the Bears Kenny

8:31

picket in a fourth to

8:34

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh got back

8:36

a third and a seven so they move

8:39

up an entire round for moving can't for

8:41

moving Kenny picket That's in this

8:43

year's draft Sam Howell

8:45

plus a fourth and a sixth to

8:48

Seattle Got Seattle a

8:50

third round pick back and a

8:52

future fifth Matt Jones

8:56

Went for a six this year Train

8:59

Lance remember that one fourth

9:02

round pick for train Lance to go do nothing

9:04

in Dallas and just sit behind Dak

9:06

Prescott and then the one that

9:08

we've been bringing up for months now because

9:10

we thought there was a comparison for Justin

9:13

Fields was the Sam Darnell trade two

9:15

years ago and he went to Carolina and the

9:17

Jets got back a Sixth

9:20

but then also a second and a fourth rounder in

9:22

the next draft in 2022 so

9:25

all of these I think

9:27

we can agree on our Better

9:31

values or better returns

9:35

Than what the Bears are getting for Justin Fields and

9:37

I'm sorry But Justin Fields is better than every single

9:39

one of those quarterbacks that we just put up on

9:42

that graphic. I Would

9:44

think now the graphic would suggest that some

9:46

around the lake probably disagree with you though,

9:48

apparently It's

9:50

one of the hard realities of this is it not I

9:53

mean I Guess

9:56

it is. I I guess it is I and I think

9:58

there is a lesson here in maybe

10:01

a bigger lesson in what

10:04

teams prefer at

10:06

the quarterback position. Which quite

10:08

frankly has me wondering about Jayden Daniels actually going

10:10

in the top three all of a sudden. You

10:13

know like some of that trade

10:15

conversation like it deals with timing, leverage,

10:18

there's a lot of factors that come

10:20

into play like different draft classes, different

10:23

veteran quarterbacks that move. So there's a lot

10:25

of maybe

10:28

extra context to all those different

10:30

situations but if I'm drawing like

10:32

anything out of this it's that

10:35

the league feels

10:38

at this point in Justin

10:40

Fields career that that he's a

10:43

backup and that's a hard reality

10:45

I think that the Bears had to realize

10:48

and that has to be very

10:50

humbling reality for Justin Fields

10:52

that I imagine knowing him knowing we know about

10:54

him it's gonna be extremely motivating for him but

10:58

it's the hardest truth the ruthless

11:01

business side of the NFL rearing

11:04

its ugly head right now. I

11:08

don't you think there's got to be some teams like

11:10

let's say the Cardinals right now going wait we could

11:12

have had Justin Fields for a future six-round pick maybe

11:17

but if you're the Bears you want to do

11:19

him right like the further this conversation you

11:23

have Callar Murray they're kind of locked into

11:25

a contract at least with Pittsburgh there's

11:28

no quarterback under contract beyond this season.

11:30

So do you think that the Bears

11:33

did you know perhaps did turn down

11:35

some other offers? I

11:38

can't say that for certainty but if

11:42

if you want to do right

11:44

by Justin Fields. Yeah sending him to

11:46

Arizona probably wouldn't have been great. No

11:48

no no you're sending to an

11:51

organization that has been consistently just like stable.

11:53

Yeah I mean they've had three coaches over

11:55

the past what 100 years? Well,

12:00

what about only light exaggeration there

12:03

Seattle, but did they just trade for their

12:05

own backup quarterback? What's what I'm saying? That

12:07

was that we're saying there was

12:09

that the key put the graphic back. That was the same

12:11

dot Sam Howell trade, right? He's the one that went to

12:13

Seattle. So Yeah,

12:15

so Sam Howell fourth and six to

12:18

Seattle I

12:22

Think that actually we had the graphic wrong. I

12:24

think Washington got the third right? Washington

12:27

got the third round regardless

12:31

Yeah, so it sells Washington getting back to third

12:33

round pick so they moved up

12:35

an entire round Regardless, it's like

12:37

I mean that could have been an interesting

12:39

spot for Justin to compete against the Geno

12:41

Smith and again, I'm

12:44

just like At

12:46

one point though Sam, how led the league in passing? And

12:49

ours and that's just gonna be a matter of

12:51

situation like here's another interesting thing about least if

12:54

I'm gonna criticize the

12:56

Pittsburgh destination His

12:59

offensive coordinator Arthur Smith was

13:01

part of an Atlanta regime

13:04

that passed on fields The

13:07

top 10. Yeah in 2021 It's

13:10

almost like there is no perfect situation for Justin Fields out

13:12

there Like even the one that he's it now Where

13:15

you have Omar Khan who believes in him? You

13:18

have Russell Wilson a? mentor

13:21

like there now in the same room as him, but

13:24

now you have Arthur Smith who was part of the

13:27

Atlanta brain trust that passed on him

13:29

in 2021 and You

13:33

know was it Josh Kendall we had on before

13:36

the Falcons game? It was I was just

13:38

thinking about and I think about that interview

13:40

a lot whenever the Steelers were coming up

13:42

as a destination Because he was Josh Kendall

13:44

covers the Falcons for the outlet athletic We

13:46

had him on late in the season before

13:48

the Bears played the Falcons and

13:50

he you guys listening might remember this

13:53

I mean he was adamant that Justin Fields

13:55

was not a fit for Arthur Smith

13:57

because it was at that point we were talking about

13:59

hey Justin getting traded to the Falcons this

14:01

offseason is a possibility. And then Arthur

14:04

Smith got fired, ended up as the OC

14:06

in Pittsburgh. So every time the

14:08

Steelers have come up, I'm like, well, if

14:10

what Josh was telling us was right, I don't know. And

14:13

maybe that maybe what he was saying, you

14:16

know, was accurate and why they didn't

14:18

like him as the starter, but perhaps

14:21

different conversation is the backup. Well,

14:24

circumstances change too, right? The

14:26

D picket was

14:28

apparently pissed off. Also

14:31

Wilson has arrived. Don't want this

14:33

competition. Trade me. He's

14:36

gone. Quarterback spot opens up. And now

14:38

the market is

14:40

just like the Steelers. And

14:43

you're not trading a second round pick. You're not trading a third

14:45

round pick. You're not trading a fourth round pick or

14:48

fifth round pick. You're trading

14:50

a 2025 conditional six round pick.

14:54

To me, that's an easy decision for even Arthur

14:56

Smith, despite his potential

14:58

criticisms of Justin Fields to

15:01

get behind. Now

15:03

one point I did want to make on

15:07

what year this

15:09

pick is coming in. Because

15:11

at first you're like, and I certainly was too.

15:13

I was like, wait, wait, this draft pick's not even going to

15:15

be for this year. They only have four picks

15:18

right now. We've been assuming

15:20

this entire time that Justin Fields was going

15:22

to get the Bears at least another pick this year. Important

15:25

point to remember though, if we're talking about a six round

15:27

pick, having

15:29

a six round pick next year, especially

15:31

one that could potentially get bumped up to a fourth

15:34

conditionally is more valuable than

15:36

having that same pick this year. The

15:39

draft this year universally

15:42

is considered weak in

15:44

the later rounds this year because of an

15:47

extreme lack of underclassmen, a

15:50

low number of underclassmen that declared

15:52

this year. Part of that

15:54

is the COVID years that still count. Part

15:56

of that is NIL money. It's sort of changed

15:58

the landscape. now the expectation.

16:01

Sometimes this changes, but right now the

16:03

expectation is next year's draft class is

16:05

going to go back to how it

16:07

normally is where you can get

16:10

more depth in the later rounds. Now,

16:12

I'm not telling you a diamond in the rough isn't

16:14

going to hit this year in the draft. It will.

16:16

There'll be a puka nakua for the fifth round or

16:18

something like that. There always is. But

16:20

when you're projecting probability

16:23

of hating on a draft pick,

16:26

I'm guessing that the bears part of the reason why

16:28

they were okay with this deal is

16:30

because that six round pick has more value

16:33

next year, especially if it ends up getting

16:35

bumped up two rounds. Well, I'll give you

16:37

the future draft capital counts

16:39

a little bit more, but I don't see that

16:41

bumping up to fourth round. Like

16:44

I need to see something

16:47

change in Pittsburgh for that to

16:49

come to fruition. Well, what

16:51

if something changes is just. I

16:57

mean, again, we're not doing a Steelers podcast here, but I have thought

16:59

about this a lot in the last 12 hours

17:01

or so. Like what

17:03

does Russell have left? What if

17:06

he's struggling? Justin's probably

17:08

going to end up being a fan favorite

17:10

there. Every team loves their backup and

17:14

we kind of know Russell's a sort of a pain

17:17

in the ass to deal with,

17:20

especially seems like more late in these

17:22

later years. We also know everybody

17:25

loves Justin. His teammates are going

17:28

to love him. I just, I

17:32

wouldn't be shocked if there's a

17:34

movement to get

17:36

Justin on the field. If

17:39

Russell's struggling at all in the first quarter

17:41

of the season, I know what you're saying,

17:43

but like, if we're just going based off

17:45

of like the most recent production, you

17:49

know, I talked about Justin Field, this

17:51

passing production, not being too difficult to

17:53

replace even by rookie quarterback. It's just

17:55

not right. Right. Where it ranks. Russell

17:58

Wilson was. significantly better

18:01

passer than Justin Fields in

18:03

2023 even with a head coach that

18:07

was just waiting to get rid of him. Yeah.

18:10

No I mean like there's no question Russell's the

18:13

better quarterback and has been for

18:15

a long long time obviously. You know he's got a Super

18:17

Bowl ring, he's had a hell of a career but

18:23

we know how these things go. To me

18:25

it's like for

18:27

ending this part of the conversation like doing

18:29

right by Justin Fields. I

18:32

just think going to like if you're

18:34

the Bears and you really want to do it I

18:37

don't know if that's Philadelphia.

18:41

Jaylen Hurts is under contract like Jaylen Hurts is the guy.

18:43

I know they changed things quite

18:45

quickly there in Philadelphia but still same

18:48

thing with Arizona. Now Seattle was interesting

18:51

until they made their trade. We'll

18:54

see if I'm Justin

18:57

Fields you try to embrace it a bit. It's

18:59

a hard reality to accept but the

19:02

Steelers have been consistently good at

19:04

everything they do. Mike

19:06

Tomlin is a Hall of Fame coach. Their

19:09

defense is gonna be one of the best. They

19:11

have a knack for drafting great receivers

19:13

like seemingly every year. Yeah. Like

19:16

they know what they want to be and they know what they want to do in

19:19

Pittsburgh so maybe embrace it and see what

19:21

happens in 2025. Well

19:23

I mean I'm certainly gonna be following

19:25

along but well

19:30

let's close let's try to close the book a

19:32

little bit on Justin Fields in Chicago and

19:35

some of our favorite moments. You know the funny thing

19:37

is I think

19:40

one of his best moments one of his best

19:42

games came in

19:44

Pittsburgh. That Monday Night Game

19:46

that throw over the middle. It's a Cole

19:48

Komet incredible grab. Of

19:51

course the way that game ended with

19:53

Cassius Marsh getting

19:55

called for taunting when Tony

19:58

Carrente bumped into him. you

20:00

that we talked to Cassius Marsh at the Super

20:02

Bowl? I still

20:04

remember it. He was, I mean, I was like, of

20:06

all the people on Radio Row, it was like, that's

20:08

Cassius Marsh. And he was

20:11

kind of vague enough of an NFL player

20:13

that he

20:16

could sort of walk around and people would be like, who's

20:18

that guy? And we were one of

20:20

the few that knew because like Cassius Marsh

20:22

was here for five seconds, certainly

20:24

made an impact. And Justin

20:27

was recently when he did that interview on the

20:30

St. Brown Brothers Podcast, he couldn't even

20:32

remember Cassius Marsh's name. But

20:35

he was talking about that game. So

20:40

that's always going to be one of the memories that sticks

20:42

out to me is actually a loss on Monday Night Football

20:45

because, and I remember getting up in the hotel room in

20:47

Pittsburgh the next morning and get up

20:49

and good morning football. As

20:52

much as the storyline was about the referees,

20:55

and it was, but there

20:57

was also a ton of optimism about

20:59

Justin and the way he played in that

21:01

game on national television. I remember, you know,

21:03

and I think it's why a lot of

21:05

people for a while now had been like,

21:08

Justin's pretty good, keep him. So

21:10

that was one of definitely one of the memories that stood out to me.

21:13

There's a few things for me. One is

21:15

it's telling the behind the scenes story of

21:17

his draft selection. I

21:19

got to do that for the athletic a

21:22

few years ago. Talked to Ryan

21:24

Pace at length about it, just

21:26

how everything came to be, like

21:28

how they were actively ready

21:30

for that move. Like the trade was

21:32

already made for the draft started if

21:35

Justin Fields happened to be available with

21:37

that selection. So

21:40

telling that story and then like the,

21:44

that run in was, it would

21:46

be last year, right? Like the

21:48

Mike McDaniel stop it moment when

21:51

you started getting these

21:53

absolutely amazing plays like

21:56

these wild plays when you

21:58

got this, anything can happen. with

22:00

him. I never had that

22:02

covering a bear's quarterback before and I've covered a

22:05

lot. Like in those moments

22:08

you're thinking the bears have their

22:10

guy finally. Right? Like that's

22:12

what you're thinking. That's what I'll remember is those

22:14

feelings. Like thinking those thoughts at that time. Like

22:17

they have their guy. Get

22:19

him some help. Give him some time. I'm

22:22

not talking about like time behind the pocket but some time

22:24

to develop and

22:26

the passing will come along. But

22:29

the stuff he's doing right now is

22:31

absolutely dynamic. Full

22:34

lightning in the bottle you know tight moments.

22:37

Like those feelings I think

22:39

I'll always remember about Justin Fields. So that

22:41

was that four-game stretch in 2022 where the

22:45

Bears actually only went one and three in

22:47

that stretch. But they were scoring they

22:51

scored they led the league in scoring

22:54

I believe over that four-game stretch. So

22:56

and it's been so long for

22:59

a Bears offense to even you know talk about

23:02

leading the league and scoring for an entire month.

23:06

And that was that was that stretch where it

23:08

was like anytime Justin took a snap he

23:10

didn't know if he was gonna break off

23:13

like a 60-plus yard touchdown run against the Lions

23:15

in that game when he outran

23:18

his former teammate Jeff Fucuta to

23:20

the end zone. You're

23:26

right I mean and that was when that was

23:28

like when we had J.T. O'Sullivan on the show

23:30

and he was like yeah you guys got your

23:32

quarterback it's done you got him. I

23:35

think there was an afternoon show in the city

23:38

that said the guys on the square threw a

23:40

party. Had a QB one party declared. Fields

23:43

the guy and honestly that all

23:45

seemed justifiable at the time. So

23:48

and I think that it was that stretch and

23:51

that and those feelings that Bears fans

23:53

are just not used to having that

23:55

we're not used to having covering this

23:57

team. Is

24:02

why so many fans were still clinging on

24:04

to that even in this off season, hoping

24:06

he would still be the quarterback next year.

24:08

And I get it like I totally understand

24:10

that. I'm and that's

24:12

why. I think

24:14

last year was so disappointing to me that

24:16

not only did he not take that step

24:18

forward. But. From.

24:22

The passing standpoint from the numbers as you've

24:24

brought up a lot on the show. Third

24:26

down, Fourth, Quarter

24:29

money down situations. He

24:31

actually took a step back. As

24:34

much as as general Qb

24:36

statistics yeah, I think the.

24:39

The. Expectation that only and house hall but

24:42

around the league that going in a twenty

24:44

twenty three is this is going to be

24:46

the year. Were. Just feels take

24:48

that next step. Along the

24:50

same lines as Dion Hurts and

24:53

Josh Allen. Mike. History

24:55

says if you're quarterbacks gonna hit this

24:57

is the year he takes off. Like

25:00

forget the. Electric stuff at

25:02

his legs, but as a passer. Lead.

25:06

To takes off as a quarterback

25:08

as a passer in the Nfl.

25:10

It just. It

25:12

didn't happen. Yes, there was some

25:14

like individual improvement sack rate in

25:16

a separate. those both improved for

25:19

him. But. Where he

25:21

ranked among his peers. By.

25:24

nearly every single quarterback measurements.

25:27

Were. Still bottom third of the league. Or.

25:30

Worse. And. I

25:32

think that's why we're. Here.

25:34

Talking about this on St. Patrick's Day. In.

25:38

The. Expectation was it meant. And.

25:42

Became. Sound The Move On. As

25:44

a we go back to. What?

25:47

We talk a lot about last summer. Which.

25:50

Was like the number one thing, the season.

25:52

the matter what happens, Is

25:54

you gotta know just some fields as the guy. And

25:57

if there's any question about at the end of the year.

26:00

Is your answer? And.

26:02

It sounds simplistic, but that. Sometimes.

26:06

In. Football we get too complicated with everything and

26:08

I think if you actually zoom out and

26:10

look at this from right, pauses, perspective. I.

26:13

Didn't draft this guy. Gave.

26:15

On two years. Or. Two

26:17

years into it. I'm. Talking about

26:19

the Ryan Polls Two years now with

26:22

Justin. Twenty eight days, three right, and

26:24

then thirty eight overall To go back

26:26

to the year before this regime got

26:28

here. Given

26:30

him his hands med given him to Seasons

26:33

in. We. Still don't know if he's

26:35

for sure the guys. Now we have the

26:37

number one pick. With.

26:39

One of the best talents has ever come

26:41

out. right? There at number

26:44

one. Like, if you really think about it that

26:46

way, For. Ryan pulls his perspective.

26:49

It's a noble. Hope. It's

26:52

just a no brainer in how the

26:54

Nfl operates is certainly, even if you

26:56

don't agree with that, been a no

26:58

brainer. Send peace Surprise Yeah, that this

27:01

is what they did. One

27:03

of the. One

27:06

of the criticisms that I didn't like

27:08

that emerged from all this is that

27:10

the help was just like god awful.

27:13

For just fields, especially like this past

27:16

season like. It. Wasn't like

27:18

look at the contract, Darnell Modi?

27:20

Yeah, despite his off the production.

27:22

This year. Like. That and

27:25

as itself. Still,

27:27

Yes, Yes! And also there's a bunch of drops.

27:30

And some for just the feels like I get

27:32

that I do. But

27:34

a lot of quarterbacks. Have drops if

27:36

you look at the. The. Info: Draft

27:39

Leaders: The Bears aren't. Among.

27:41

Them think the Kansas City Chiefs actually

27:43

where they want to freak and Super

27:45

Bowl of. Ah

27:47

I think at some point like I

27:49

felt like I had higher expectations. For.

27:52

Just feels than some of his, like

27:54

most ardent supporters. Which.

27:57

was kind of surprising to me a minute to

27:59

different conversation. But

28:01

it was. Yeah,

28:03

just in terms of wrapping this up.

28:07

Like The Fields era. I

28:10

think what I'll remember most is just the.

28:13

The excitement, the electricity.

28:17

That. He produced right. And I

28:19

think it it is. It lingers.

28:21

I think that's why these conversations.

28:24

Or the conversations up to this point.

28:26

Now it's over. I hope that so

28:28

nasty in a sense because Just Feels

28:30

Zip provides so much hope at some

28:32

point. One hundred percent. I'm.

28:37

And it was all justified. But

28:41

now it's Caleb time. And

28:44

I think that. I'm.

28:47

Really going to be fascinated. John's

28:49

how these next six thirty nine

28:52

days now. Plays.

28:54

Out. Ah, I'm from the

28:56

sort of what you're just touching on

28:58

their. The fan

29:00

aspect. And support. Because.

29:04

There's. Been such a up effort

29:07

to. Sort a tear down,

29:09

Taleb, During all his vitriol.

29:12

And I am. I think this trade

29:15

happening when it does will allow for

29:17

the proper sort of turn around on

29:19

that. The by

29:21

the time the Pickett's made. That.

29:27

I'm. Just interested to see if the perspective

29:30

on Kill Williams from those are like

29:32

so it's I t le bride now

29:34

will change. The.

29:37

Bears must feel I tweeted this yesterday

29:39

like not only really good about tail

29:41

Boy hims least whether evaluation is. At

29:44

right now. A March

29:46

Seventeenth, but also about others in

29:49

his quarterback Last, because so many

29:51

things can happen between now. And.

29:55

The Draft with at twenty six, twenty fourth, Then

29:57

there's there's more than a month. right

30:00

So many things can happen where

30:02

you're like, oh no, I can't take Hale Williams now. So

30:05

if you're trading Justin Fields, and I agree that you

30:07

have to do right by him, but you

30:10

must also feel really,

30:12

really good about other quarterbacks

30:14

in this draft class just in case. Just

30:17

in case something

30:19

happens and you have to pivot off number one. Doesn't

30:24

that make sense to you? Yeah, and if you want to do that, I

30:27

have a couple thoughts on that. But let's remember,

30:30

if you do end up in that situation, as

30:34

long as it's not something, whatever scares you

30:37

off of Caleb doesn't scare three other teams

30:39

off of Caleb too. Theoretically,

30:41

you can still get that quote unquote haul

30:43

that these fans have

30:46

been talking about for so long and draft somebody else.

30:48

Theoretically, it's still possible. I

30:51

also look at it like this though. It's

30:56

gone so far down this road. This

31:00

trade's still controversial, even if it only ended

31:03

up being for what it was and the

31:05

league kind of told you how Justin's

31:07

really viewed. It's still controversial here in

31:10

Chicago. I just can't

31:12

believe they would get this far with

31:15

a lottery ticket that they got and

31:18

pivot off of Caleb Williams. That would be

31:20

so risky. I

31:23

mean, taking Caleb and missing on

31:25

Caleb would be

31:28

way more easy to swallow than

31:30

passing on Caleb and

31:32

missing on whoever else you draft while

31:35

Caleb's off winning Super Bowls.

31:38

I'm just saying, for

31:40

all the nice things you said about Justin Fields, now that

31:43

he doesn't matter anymore,

31:45

he's traded. If

31:47

that's no longer your fallback option,

31:50

if something crazy comes out about

31:52

Caleb Williams, I'm

31:54

just saying, it doesn't seem far fetched that there might

31:57

be other quarterbacks that appeal to

31:59

the Bears. Well after Caleb Williams, yeah

32:01

are better than Justin Fields. That's what I'm saying

32:03

Yeah, and I agree with you We talked about

32:05

that coming out of the clock Combine like that

32:08

was one of our biggest takeaways was that plan

32:10

B had become something other than Justin So

32:13

it's obvious that they like more than one quarterback

32:16

in this in this draft The

32:18

question then becomes how big is the gap? And

32:22

I think we both agree Caleb's clearly number one right

32:25

now not only you know in our eyes but also

32:27

in the Bears eyes, but you

32:29

know it's a big week by the way pro day

32:31

on Wednesday and We'll

32:34

have coverage from that because I'm going Caleb

32:37

Williams pro day. I know

32:39

the athletic is gonna have other coverage as

32:41

well So we'll have all

32:43

that covered and then I don't know the exact

32:45

date, but Caleb's expected to come Visit

32:48

a house hall shortly after the pro day. Yeah,

32:51

so It's They're

32:55

gonna get a lot of information here like in the next

32:57

10 to 12 days if you're and you know what like

32:59

in terms Of these pro days sometimes teams go out early

33:01

and they host these prospects for

33:03

dinner Or they stay a day later

33:05

have dinner with them And then

33:07

two weeks after that becomes the visit where they

33:09

meet everybody in the facility and everybody almost gets

33:12

to say And how they feel

33:14

about the certain quarterback as a person but

33:17

yes just in terms of What's

33:19

on the calendar coming up? Wednesday

33:22

you have USC pro day along

33:25

with Ohio State and Alabama,

33:27

but obviously USC is number one Friday.

33:31

I believe you have Michigan with

33:33

JJ McCarthy and then the week after

33:35

that you have LSU in

33:37

North Carolina I imagine

33:39

the Bears will be all four of those in

33:42

mass. Yeah And

33:46

now they can do that without the

33:49

Justin Fields thing hanging over Like

33:52

I think the timing that that matters Kind

33:54

of bringing closure to that all

33:56

I Mean, I know

33:58

that they saw I I think that

34:01

matters for Fields more than anyone.

34:04

Again, that's the closure I think he deserves

34:06

in a sense, right? That the Bears wanted to provide

34:08

him doing right again. But

34:11

I still think that diving all

34:16

the way in here to what is essentially the final

34:19

stages of

34:23

the draft process, not having to

34:25

worry about trading just and not

34:27

having that hanging over any

34:29

part of your organization, even outside

34:32

the football part of

34:34

it, marketing, all

34:39

these types of things, you don't have to

34:41

deal with it. Public relations, you don't have to deal with

34:43

it. It's now everybody

34:45

can focus just on these quarterbacks that are

34:47

available to draft and the Bears have the

34:49

number one and number nine picks. And

34:52

they got to get it right. They absolutely have

34:54

to get both of these picks right. And

34:59

having that ninth pick is part of this too

35:01

because think about all the work they did just

35:04

on landing Darnell Wright last year. They

35:07

had that same pick again. So it's not just the

35:09

quarterbacks they got to deal with. And

35:11

they have been obviously you do this every year, you vet

35:14

all these players, but you're going to have access to two

35:16

top 10 players. You got

35:18

to make sure you get those picks right. There can't be any guessing. Yeah.

35:21

Yeah. So the ninth pick is

35:25

another blue chip player potentially

35:27

on your roster. And

35:30

I think we need to reemphasize this point. This

35:33

Bears roster is

35:35

as good as we've ever seen it in

35:38

terms of being ready for any

35:40

quarterback. Now it's going to be a

35:42

rookie quarterback, but it's a good

35:44

roster. And

35:47

right now your QB one is Tyson Bajan. One

35:51

of the best receiving combos they've had in over

35:54

what, 10 years. The defense

35:56

that should be top five, top 10 in a lot

35:59

of categories. getting better with the number

36:01

nine pick. That's a darn

36:03

good roster. If

36:09

I had to set the odds at

36:12

do the Bears actually pick at number

36:14

nine, I

36:17

would think the favorite would be no. But

36:23

with your lack of draft picks, it's like, okay,

36:26

obviously it's like, oh yeah, trade back. Maybe

36:28

you can get a second round pick then. Maybe you can add another third

36:30

round pick. Ryan Poles has been doing pretty good

36:33

with those second rounders. That's potentially

36:35

another blue chip with

36:37

the way that they've been drafting there. It's at

36:39

least a chance to get another long-term starter. On

36:43

the other hand, with lack of draft capital,

36:45

do you get tempted to say,

36:48

F it. Let's

36:50

trade up. Let's

36:53

go get the next guy we need at five

36:56

or six or something like that and

36:59

just make sure you're getting a blue

37:02

chip wide receiver or the best

37:04

offensive tackle possible for this

37:07

quarterback you're getting. I don't know, man. After

37:09

bringing in Keaton Allen, I think the Bears

37:11

have now

37:14

made it less of an emphasis. I

37:20

think they're telling us they'd be okay if

37:22

those top three receivers are gone. We

37:25

can look at a pass

37:28

rusher. If I'm

37:30

tearing the premium positions, I'm looking at the passer than

37:32

the pass rusher. To

37:35

get a Dallas

37:37

Turner to go opposite, not

37:41

that sweat, talk

37:44

about two amazing receivers. How about two

37:46

amazing pass rushers on your defense? I

37:49

don't know. I can't lean that way in a

37:51

sense instead of trading up. That first defensive player

37:53

could be available at nine the way things might

37:56

be shaking out and that might make

37:58

it hard to trade back. If

38:01

you're sitting there and the best defensive guy on your

38:03

board is right there he's the edge rusher to Or

38:06

he's a three technique that can kind of complete your defense

38:09

right now Be

38:12

very interesting to see how it plays out All

38:15

right any final thoughts before we get out of here no

38:18

we got hit some super chats. I think here Oh, we

38:20

got some supers Let's do it Marlin

38:24

Harris 499 the

38:27

league didn't want Lamar Jackson either last

38:29

year. No one wants a running quarterback

38:33

it's a little bit of a different situation because you had

38:36

to give up to first round picks and Sign

38:39

him to the biggest contract

38:41

in football To

38:44

get Lamar last year, so it's There's

38:48

some truth to that but also it's a

38:50

completely different situation and like Lamar

38:52

Jackson is a good pass Thank

38:55

you His second season wasn't he

38:57

the NFL MVP like I get it like

38:59

what he does with his legs is exciting

39:01

But I just pull up his passing number.

39:03

Yeah, the passing number is in the tape.

39:05

It's not even comparable. Yes Yeah, they're not

39:07

the same player 36 touchdown passes, you

39:10

know sixty six point one completion percentage 83.0

39:13

QBR 113.3

39:16

passer rating I mean that like

39:19

that's Lamar Jackson's second season and we're

39:21

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39:23

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39:25

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there any chance The Bear. The Like: Another

42:00

quarterback in the draft other than Williams

42:03

at one still seen trade one for

42:05

a hall. By. Some Bears fans.

42:08

Every kind of just address that. Ah, But.

42:13

You know, I think I think our minds

42:15

are open to it. But. Only

42:17

at a scenario where. Something.

42:20

Comes up here in the next forty days.

42:22

That just. Forces

42:25

you. The. Not draft Caleb,

42:27

Lambs and I personally don't see that

42:30

on Foley in here's the risk Like

42:32

in that? like if you start. I.

42:35

doing another quarterback. Us.

42:39

To be sure to get him. And if

42:41

you're passing and Kale blames. At.

42:43

One you just take the other quarterback. it

42:45

won't even though. Certain.

42:49

Grades and and your board doesn't reflect such

42:51

a selection Like and then like how far

42:53

back to you trade down it's really want.

42:56

An old say Gg Mccarthy because he's rising

42:58

up the draft board like how far back

43:00

to you go look at the Minnesota Vikings

43:02

they have now to to first round picks

43:05

and appear very poised. To move

43:07

up into the draft to take some quarterback

43:09

right? Right

43:11

Because. I got news for you. As.

43:15

Of Five Forty Five yesterday

43:17

whenever this trade was completed,

43:20

You know the biggest need on the Bears roster as.

43:24

Quarterback. West's

43:27

when the the second they removed Justin

43:29

Fields Austin's magnet from the board yesterday

43:31

when they're looking at their roster. They

43:35

got Tyson Baigent and Brett rip it

43:37

right now. Like

43:39

that's it. I'm.

43:42

So. If you're not gonna

43:45

draft tail blonde. You better make

43:47

sure whoever else common in there's are

43:49

starting quarterback because otherwise you have this

43:51

great roster and know quarterback. I was

43:54

a know quarterback but I debated the

43:56

back up with says be honest about

43:58

the so. It

44:01

you can have that up now here. the a

44:04

said this idea of training back and get the

44:06

whole. World. That was a little.

44:08

You could stomach that a little bit more. When

44:10

you adjusted fields, you're still on your roster. That.

44:13

That That's incredibly risky. To.

44:16

Do now like I keep eyes. He could

44:18

see the doing it. For

44:20

more the moving back once now as as despite

44:23

said there's only one team you make their move

44:25

for. It's these the

44:27

scenario in which Tail Boy was

44:29

once good washington. And was

44:31

in want him. To. Trade back

44:33

one spot in, that is it. And.

44:36

Then you take your guide to cause you know

44:38

you can get yes and you hold them. On.

44:41

The phone for as much as you can get.

44:43

I play hardball. I know you don't have much

44:45

leverage if you're right Posner Situations. But.

44:47

Yeah, to get something. The I get something. I.

44:51

Don't know in this draft because you go

44:53

to use your Jeff Capital for other guys

44:55

harasser. but. Yeah.

44:58

I don't know, I'm that's the only.

45:01

It's. It is now snowing in Chicago

45:03

on. Said. Pets they? Anyway, it was

45:05

a million, yes least in the city itself.

45:08

Anyway, like. If that

45:11

scenario, Comes. To fruition in you have

45:13

to pivot off. Kale Blames and I'm saying they're going

45:15

to do it. Is. The number one quarterback

45:17

right now we're talking but if you have do you

45:19

can only go back one. I don't.

45:21

I am and I see the chat already.

45:23

Lars is guys even talking about to trade

45:26

him back where we had a nice superchamp

45:28

from a nice list through as a nice

45:30

question, supporters hit us again. I guess that's

45:32

the only reason why we're entertaining this don't

45:34

twist is that we are. We are on

45:36

the same page here and what's not only

45:38

most likely to have them but you know

45:40

what what we would do to our aid

45:42

zoo abroad or five hours. I keep reading

45:45

how his draft is top heavy and not

45:47

deep. you guys feel that way and how

45:49

far does that extend to the third round?

45:51

Yeah, I bet a couple value waiters

45:53

tell me that. This. Might

45:55

even be like a three round draft. Certainly.

46:00

More than a for round draft and

46:02

I think that's why. The.

46:05

Bears draft picks while they you know. Okay,

46:07

so they both first pick the nice pack,

46:09

a third round pick and fourth round pick

46:11

right now, and that's it. But.

46:13

I think they're comfortable with that because of

46:16

how this draft has played out. The it

46:18

would be great if they somehow going to

46:20

moved up around. With.

46:22

The just feels trade even if they had a you know.

46:25

Give. Back there third to get up to

46:27

the second. That would be nice but obviously

46:29

has a how the market played out. Ah

46:31

I'm. So. I tend to agree with

46:33

it. But. There's.

46:36

Always players. I go undrafted every year

46:38

so you still gotta do your homework

46:40

and find a way to. Get

46:43

somebody in that fourth round and

46:45

somebody who's undrafted. That contributes into

46:47

your points though. About. The.

46:50

Lack of depth. Maybe.

46:53

That's why another reason why he trade a

46:55

fifth round pick for Ryan Bates. Who

46:57

is probably better. This. Year

46:59

and next year. And some

47:02

of the lime and that you bring in in

47:04

that draft United. I know that they trade that

47:06

last year or next year, right? I think that

47:08

specific to this year and I guess that they've

47:10

hit on fifth round picks there. I Breasts Jones.

47:13

Great. Example: what the as it's have taken

47:15

like a bunch of other linemen. And

47:18

a three that haven't exactly panned out and

47:20

since aimlessly or even two three years into

47:22

their career like this is what. Happened.

47:25

So he trade deficits round pick to

47:27

get a gag tribute immediately and your

47:29

ass or twenty twenty four hundred kind

47:31

of build around a quarterback an. Ice

47:34

at. I. Get that the Bears only

47:36

have four. Draft Picks: The Seer: Can we

47:38

all just remember that one of them we use the

47:40

Matter smith. Yeah

47:43

right, Like you might as

47:45

sweat. I'm. right?

47:48

Bates. Com

47:50

is is what your fifth round pick turned in

47:52

do. We just got another super to add. on

47:55

this from farming their bring this one up right

47:57

away $9.99

48:00

I think it's important to remember that we already

48:02

took players with the picks we don't have can

48:04

you get sweat in the second Alan? in the

48:06

fourth Yeah,

48:09

that's right Keenan Allen's a fourth. Yeah. Yeah, so

48:11

you You can look

48:13

at it that way your second round pick

48:15

became Montes sweat your fourth round pick became

48:17

Keenan freaking Allen Your fifth round pick became

48:19

Ryan Bates Who

48:23

who might be starting on your line, I

48:25

just think if you're now going all in

48:27

on this QB

48:31

development you need a

48:33

roster full of Guys

48:35

who could contribute like guys, you know for

48:37

sure Are going to

48:39

be ready on day one without the unpredictability of the

48:42

draft You know you're getting something out of key to

48:44

nail and you know, you're getting something out of my

48:46

sweat and you're pretty optimistic about Ryan

48:48

Bates to what that's a good way to look

48:50

at it. Like let's say I

48:52

could tell you that you're guaranteed to

48:55

have Roma doomsday at nine That

48:58

sounds pretty good, right? And

49:00

maybe that could still happen but What's

49:04

better for Kayla Williams in his rookie year

49:08

Keenan Allen one of

49:10

the most quarterback friendly wide receivers that exists

49:12

in the league who you know is Savvy

49:14

it's sitting in open zones one of the

49:16

best slot receivers in the past decade, right

49:19

and his veteran presence everything He knows the

49:21

knowledge he was talking about his press conference

49:23

yesterday Roma doomsday

49:26

might be a Hall of Fame player for

49:28

you for years and years and years and

49:31

that would be great but

49:35

You got Keenan Allen for fourth round pick who

49:38

you know is going to be Kayla

49:40

Williams best friend For his

49:42

entire rookie season like and maybe you could fill

49:45

out both That's the thing but I'm at the

49:47

point I'm trying to make is a receiver like

49:49

Keenan Allen the savvy veteran Who's

49:52

in like this upper tier of? Guys

49:55

that you know are just gonna be so quarterback

49:57

friendly to help your rookie quarterback is gonna be

49:59

more valuable to K.L. Williams

50:01

development in year one. I'm not

50:03

talking about beyond that, but just in year one as a

50:06

rookie, then another

50:08

rookie wide receiver would be. Whoever

50:10

it is, no matter how

50:12

talented they are, just Keenan Allen is bringing all

50:14

that to the table. And that's huge. To

50:17

me, it's a matter of certainty. You

50:19

know you have Keenan Allen right now. You don't know

50:21

how the draft is going to play out. The

50:24

draft is amazingly unpredictable. You

50:27

don't know if one of those top three receivers is going to be there

50:29

at number nine. But you know what? You know

50:31

Keenan Allen is on your roster right now. You

50:34

know you have one of the best slot receivers who's coming

50:36

off a career best season. Despite injuries, I get it. He

50:39

may not play a full 16, full 17 games. But if

50:41

he gives you a 13, 14, 15, and he helps your

50:46

rookie come along, helps him build

50:48

confidence, helps K.L. Williams be the K.L. Williams

50:50

we think he can be. Yes.

50:53

Sign me up for that level of certainty going

50:55

into this draft. Alright, let's

50:58

fly through these remaining Super Chats. Mike Eversly with the

51:00

$20 Super Tank. Thank you very

51:02

much, Mike. Really appreciate it. You just mentioned Dallas

51:04

Turner, but who is your top rated defensive end

51:06

that could be potentially

51:10

drafted at nine and why?

51:13

Mike right now, Dallas Turner,

51:15

is that guy. I'm not

51:17

completely done with that evaluation

51:20

and specifically want to compare

51:23

him very closely to Jared Vers

51:25

who at first glance

51:28

when you first turn on the tape, to

51:30

me Jared Vers looks like more of a

51:33

prototypical 4-3 hand in the

51:36

ground defensive end for this

51:38

Bears defense. Dallas

51:40

Turner's length is unbelievable. We know the

51:42

Bears value that. But when

51:45

you turn on Alabama's tape, Dallas Turner's

51:47

usually lining up sort of like Khalil

51:49

Mack does, sort of all over but

51:51

always in a two point stance. He's

51:54

certainly not as big as Khalil Mack. I'm just

51:56

bringing up kind of how they use him. Sometimes

51:59

he'll line up. Almost like remember Brian

52:01

or lacquer walking up into the a gap

52:04

When he and Lance Briggs would mug they

52:06

gaps like they move him around a lot

52:08

at Alabama. I'm talking about Dallas Turner now,

52:10

so Just the way

52:12

but that doesn't mean he can't transition and you

52:14

know become that player on the Bears defense It's

52:16

just I got to work through that a little

52:18

bit more but between now and the draft I

52:20

think you're looking at three players at number nine

52:23

or slight trade back if that scenario

52:27

Look at the Dallas Turner Byron Murphy

52:29

the defensive tackle from Texas. I'm liking

52:31

him more and more and Jared verse

52:34

Right. Those are your three all

52:36

different types of players. I think

52:38

Jared verse in terms of the

52:40

physical profile The

52:42

long arms fits what Mattie before

52:44

loose wants. I think his story in

52:47

the way he plays completely

52:50

Fits what the Bears want again like everything about

52:52

Jared verse strikes me as a Matt Eberf loose

52:54

like player I could see like

52:57

flus bang in the table for Jared verse

53:00

I can see him bang in the table

53:02

for Byron Murphy to yeah the engine of

53:04

his defense That's three technique a rookie who

53:06

could come in and be

53:08

immediately disruptive on his defensive

53:10

line Byron Murphy is like

53:15

Giving me Darnell right vibes

53:19

From last year's draft And what

53:21

I mean by that is like a guy that when

53:23

you first started this process and we always dive in

53:25

late, right? Like we're not doing this year-round with the

53:28

draft try to watch as much college football as I

53:30

can I did watch a lot of Texas last year

53:32

actually But you're not really diving

53:34

into this until you kind of take Dane Bruegeler's

53:36

top 50 in January and you try to start

53:38

to sort it out for yourself and like

53:42

Last year that's happened with darnell right where okay.

53:44

He looked pretty good at the senior bowl You're

53:46

like late first round second round pick and then

53:48

the more and more you start to work on

53:51

this guy. It's like Man

53:54

he kind of is a perfect fit for what the Bears need

53:56

and He

53:58

kind of seems like it's Not

54:01

necessarily a sure thing, but a relatively safe

54:03

pick as a right tackle. Maybe

54:06

he can move the left tackle eventually for you,

54:08

but he sure as hell

54:10

looks like a plug and play right tackle, exactly

54:12

what they need right now. Why

54:15

take a risk? And then you hear

54:17

all the stories later about how much they like them. Byron

54:21

Murphy to me, there was so much

54:23

focus on Tavandre's sweat because he's just

54:25

this big massive guy in the middle of that defense

54:27

when you watch Texas games this year. The

54:30

more and more you turn on Byron Murphy, you're like, this

54:32

guy's the better player. And I

54:36

don't care if the rest of the league views him

54:38

as a later first-round pick right now. He's

54:40

what the Bears need. He's twitchy

54:43

and explosive in the get-off. And yes, he's a little

54:45

bit small. And ultimately, the Bears do value length and

54:47

things like that, so they're going to have to sort

54:49

all that out. But to me,

54:52

for where the Bears are right now, I would

54:55

value that over getting the second edge rusher when

54:57

you already know you have sweat on the other

54:59

end. I feel like every

55:02

year, there's players like,

55:04

oh, darn all right, picking

55:06

the 20s, late first round,

55:09

that makes sense for them. But every year, one of

55:11

those guys, oh, the

55:13

league sees him as a top-10 player, top-10

55:16

potential. It's always about that projection,

55:19

right? And the situation

55:21

he goes to, being such

55:23

a perfect fit for what the Bears want

55:26

to do and want to be. Like, that's how I

55:28

see Byron Murphy, right? I

55:30

don't know if it's just because Aaron Donald

55:33

just retired. I just remember that story, like,

55:35

oh, he's too small, this, that, and the

55:37

other. Dude, one of the best players of

55:39

all time, true after what, number 12? Was

55:42

it 12? Right? 13,

55:45

one spot ahead of the Chicago Bears. We

55:48

know the Bears loved Aaron Donald, too.

55:52

I'm not saying Byron Murphy

55:55

is the second coming of Aaron Donald, but

55:58

let's look past certain measurements. Just

56:01

look at the football player in a sense. Byron

56:05

Murphy could be immensely disruptive for

56:07

the Bears defensive line. Like

56:09

instantaneously. Yeah. Bear down

56:12

Omaha, $2 says Chicago had a top 5D

56:14

without a second edge, go wide receiver at

56:16

9. And you can justify that.

56:18

You do have a pretty good defense regardless and maybe

56:21

you want to get Kaleb more help. I get it. Sonny777

56:25

closing us out here, $5, keeping

56:27

Justin out of sense of mentality

56:29

while other teams, keeping

56:32

him, I got it, while

56:34

other teams wouldn't give up a third round

56:36

pick would be a typical Bears move but

56:39

polls is different. Trust him. Oh,

56:41

that's the suggestion. The

56:45

league is telling you what he is and

56:48

we'll just keep him because of it. Yeah. That

56:51

never made sense to me. No, right.

56:53

No. You know,

56:55

to the point of learning

56:58

about evaluations and, you know, I

57:00

think this experience for Ryan Poults

57:04

as a young GM, just

57:06

in terms of maybe feeling better

57:09

about his own QB evaluations, like

57:12

those conversations have to be pretty unique for Ryan Poults

57:14

to walk into. Hey, you know, what about the

57:17

Sam Darnold deal? No.

57:20

We think Justin Fields is worth

57:24

a lot less than that. We think he's a backup.

57:26

Like those conversations have to be very, very unique for

57:28

him. Yeah, yeah, definitely. All

57:31

right. Well, that wraps it up for Super

57:33

Chat. So it's just one more thing that

57:36

we wanted to address on the back end

57:38

of this because we did see it go

57:40

somewhat viral on social media and I wasn't

57:42

completely surprised by it but obviously we had

57:44

Josh Lucas on the show the other day

57:46

and if you missed it, please go back

57:48

and listen. It was a fun conversation, some

57:50

interesting stuff on Keenan Allen and then what's

57:52

going on with the quarterbacks. And when we

57:54

talked about Caleb Williams, he made a reference

57:57

to, you know, some rumors that have been

57:59

going on. And we've heard him,

58:01

we've heard him throughout this draft process.

58:05

And he even admitted in his clip, and I

58:07

don't know if that made the clip that ended

58:10

up on social media that was sort of going viral,

58:12

I'm not sure if that was included, but he admitted

58:14

that what he was bringing up could

58:16

be unsubstantiated. So

58:20

a lot of people, and I honestly

58:22

think fairly, were wondering why we didn't

58:24

follow up to what he said, because

58:26

he was basically saying that some teams

58:28

could be scared off if they lose

58:30

Caleb because of these rumors. And

58:33

so I get why people are like, why didn't you follow up

58:35

on what those were? One

58:37

thing about this show that we've been pretty

58:39

consistent on over the years is like, we

58:41

don't necessarily go down the road of unsubstantiated

58:44

stuff that's out there. And

58:47

meanwhile, as much as people want to

58:50

accuse us or others of not wanting

58:52

to dig on Caleb Williams, we

58:55

have been digging in on Caleb Williams for

58:57

months now, going back to when Bears regular season

58:59

was still going on. And I had a story

59:01

come out Super Bowl week that I encourage you

59:04

to read, allchu.com, on

59:06

a lot of this stuff that's just

59:08

sort of been floating out there. And

59:11

to this point, and maybe this changes,

59:15

okay, I'll give you that. I mean, maybe

59:17

something does get substantiated. But at this point,

59:19

all this stuff that's sort of been floating

59:21

out there, let me be very clear on

59:24

this too. Because

59:27

none of it actually has to do with Caleb Williams. Like

59:31

this stuff that people are

59:33

worried about, it's

59:36

the behind the scenes stuff. It's more of

59:38

like what's real about what his dad might

59:41

do or try to change. It's all been

59:43

out there. It's all been reported, right? And

59:46

to this point, to

59:48

me, none of it, from all

59:51

the people I've talked to, is real. So

59:55

that's where, when we can't control what guests

59:57

come on here and say, when that stuff

59:59

gets brought up. up, my

1:00:01

initial reaction is like until something

1:00:03

becomes more real or I hear it from

1:00:05

my own digging that I've been doing, we

1:00:09

don't need to draw more attention to it. That's kind

1:00:11

of where I am on it and I think that

1:00:13

that's why, that's the best way I can explain why

1:00:15

we didn't necessarily poke on that because we've all sort

1:00:18

of heard it and to

1:00:20

this point I just, I think it's a lot of nothing.

1:00:24

It's full steam ahead with this evaluation if

1:00:26

you're the Chicago Bears, right? Like this is, they're

1:00:29

still digging. Yeah, like

1:00:32

Cale Williams hasn't been

1:00:34

through Halis Hall yet. Like he hasn't

1:00:37

met every vice president there is, like everyone who

1:00:39

wants to get a feel for him. But

1:00:43

now I feel like this is the conversation.

1:00:46

Let's just go with it. The

1:00:48

Justin Fields conversation is now

1:00:50

over. I'm sure his name will come up every

1:00:52

now and then but now it's focusing

1:00:54

on Cale Williams. We know what the tape says. Absolutely

1:00:58

dynamic. There is no one

1:01:00

like him in the draft. He is special on the

1:01:02

field but as Ryan

1:01:04

Poles once said, what, in January? Kind

1:01:07

of figure out the person too. That's

1:01:09

the next step. And I'll leave with

1:01:12

this because it's, the

1:01:17

draft process is what it is and

1:01:21

you sort, the draft process is

1:01:23

unique for especially a player like

1:01:25

of Cale Williams talent

1:01:28

because you basically spend months trying to look for

1:01:30

any reason, every reason not to draft the guy.

1:01:32

That's dangerous. Right? That can get you in trouble.

1:01:35

Yeah. Ryan Poles will tell you you have to

1:01:37

focus on what he can do instead

1:01:39

of what he can't do. Like focus on

1:01:41

the positives instead of negatives. Right. So I'm

1:01:43

gonna give you the fact that Caleb, Caleb's

1:01:46

gonna be different than most players

1:01:48

you draft. He's already got

1:01:50

television commercials. He's already a superstar.

1:01:53

He shows up at the players championship on

1:01:55

a Thursday morning and it blows up the

1:01:57

internet. Right? Like... This

1:02:00

is going to be different. The

1:02:02

presence of his dad, which I've already written about

1:02:04

in the address, go read it at all csto.com.

1:02:06

It's different. And I

1:02:08

understand in this very structured

1:02:11

NFL world where they want you to only care

1:02:13

about football and only be a football guy, love

1:02:16

football, all that. I mean, Fluce talks about it

1:02:18

all the time, right? They're not going to draft

1:02:20

players who don't love football. There's

1:02:26

going to be extra stuff with Caleb

1:02:28

Williams. But to this point, all

1:02:31

the digging I've done on the kid, he loves football.

1:02:34

And a lot of this extra stuff is just stuff

1:02:36

that's around him that he can't necessarily control all of

1:02:39

it. He can probably control some of it, but

1:02:41

it's just going to be part of drafting

1:02:44

Caleb Williams. But instead of looking

1:02:46

at it like a reason not to draft him or

1:02:48

being scared of all that, well

1:02:51

this franchise has been down the road of let's draft

1:02:53

the nice guy. Let's draft the guy that there's

1:02:56

no headaches with, that everybody loves.

1:02:59

They did it with Mitch Trubisky. They did it

1:03:01

with Justin Fields. Maybe take

1:03:03

a chance for once. Maybe embrace

1:03:06

everything that comes with Caleb Williams and

1:03:09

the hype and the attention and being

1:03:11

on national television probably a ton next

1:03:13

year. All these, heck, how

1:03:15

about this? Maybe embrace being

1:03:17

on hard knocks. Nah, they will never

1:03:19

do that. Yeah, I know. I know.

1:03:24

But my point of all this is, maybe if they actually

1:03:27

started looking at things that way, this

1:03:29

franchise would get out of the funk that

1:03:31

they've been in for a hundred years. I'll

1:03:33

say this about like superstar quarterbacks. There's

1:03:36

a level of celebrity with them that

1:03:40

just comes with it, right? Like even Josh

1:03:42

Allen's dating a movie star now,

1:03:44

right? Like Aaron Rodgers has dated

1:03:46

movie stars. Dated Danica Patrick. Like he's a headache all the

1:03:48

time. I feel like he's in the news for every

1:03:51

day. I'm waiting to see what happens today with Aaron Rodgers,

1:03:53

but that's kind of what happens with him. Well,

1:03:55

he might be running for vice president. That's what can happen.

1:03:58

Like Tom Brady. You know? Movie

1:04:02

star, the supermodel. Like in the

1:04:04

news all the time, a bunch of conflict of

1:04:06

time. Anybody want. Now some of these are like

1:04:08

just bad comparisons but just like

1:04:10

speaking in generalities like quarterbacks

1:04:14

the really good ones. Like

1:04:16

Russell Wilson, Sierra. Like there's

1:04:18

a level of celebrity that comes with them

1:04:21

and I'm trying to

1:04:23

wrap my mind around that a little bit. There

1:04:26

was even with Jake Cutler there was some of that

1:04:28

right? Oh

1:04:30

yeah Kristin Cavallari. Going up a training camp with

1:04:32

an honor. It's not a reality show. It's

1:04:34

not her own training camp. Like these are things.

1:04:37

Like Jake Cutler was on a reality

1:04:39

television show. Like these are things that happened with

1:04:42

quarterbacks and Cale Williams is already kind

1:04:44

of in that world already because of

1:04:46

how college football has changed. You

1:04:49

know and I think draft evaluations have to change

1:04:51

with how college football is changing a

1:04:53

bit. Like I think we should do a

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podcast later but like yeah

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it comes with it. Embrace

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the challenge of at least evaluating it because

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it is different than every quarterback you've kind

1:05:05

of evaluated before. Like

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I understand. My

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point on that is just

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like you want to be

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in that world where there's some distractions with

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your quarterback because they're so famous. That means

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they're really good. The

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Bears haven't had that problem because they haven't had that guy.

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So you shouldn't be afraid of drafting that guy is

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my point on all that. Now if

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there really is something serious that ends

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up coming out of this that you

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just cannot justify then that's different. But

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to this point haven't heard that,

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haven't seen that and if there's one thing

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I'll leave you with this. Look

1:05:46

our track record here I think

1:05:48

is pretty good. I'm not saying

1:05:50

we've been right about everything. We certainly haven't. But

1:05:54

maybe this latest episode

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with all the Justin Fields stuff if you've been listening

1:06:00

into this show or CHEO recently,

1:06:03

there's been a lot of lack of

1:06:05

trust for whatever reason, but

1:06:09

it played out the way it did. So I just

1:06:11

asked this, like trust us on

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this Caleb Williams stuff for now. Because

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if either one of us comes up with something

1:06:17

that's real, that's substantiated, that is a problem, trust

1:06:19

me, we'll be talking about it on the show.

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We'll get it to you. You probably would have read it

1:06:24

about it first. Yeah.

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Well, yeah. Or you read it in the athletic.

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It probably would already be out there too. True. So,

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but there is this process, the bears are going to go

1:06:34

through it. I'll be at the pro day on Wednesday. We

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got NFL owners meetings coming up. We'll

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hear about these visits. It'll all

1:06:43

be sorted out by draft day. But

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there's nothing that anybody's trying to hide right now.

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We're just trying to be responsible about the

1:06:50

reporting and we will continue to be. That's

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all. Good show.

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We're on

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to the draft. And,

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yeah. Thank God. Thank

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God. And I'll be

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following Justin in Pittsburgh.

1:07:09

I said all along, I'm fascinated to see where he

1:07:11

ends up and I won't be surprised to be a

1:07:13

success there. The problem

1:07:15

is now he's got to figure out how to get on the field. That

1:07:17

part I was not anticipating. But,

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