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Hello,

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My guest today has an incredibly

2:52

interesting background. She served in

2:54

the US military for five years where she

2:56

climbed the ranks to become an army sergeant.

2:59

Now she is a rising star in porn,

3:01

including getting an Avian nomination

3:04

for best new starlet. Let's welcome

3:06

Kaley Gunner. Hi, guys. Thank

3:08

you for having me. Yeah. And such a

3:10

pleasure to have you. I'm so excited that we could finally,

3:13

like, get to sit down. You were definitely

3:15

a rising star. I see you all

3:17

over the place. Oh, thank you. I'm having

3:20

fun. You know, one thing I did see

3:22

is that And I this

3:24

is quite the recommendation I saw. You work

3:26

with Nikki Ben's, and she was talking about,

3:28

like, you're gonna

3:28

be the next big thing. And I was like, oh, wow.

3:31

because Nikki doesn't give out compliments. you

3:33

know, like, easily.

3:34

Oh, that means so much. Oh, wow.

3:37

She's, like, my idol. Like, if I could have an idol

3:39

in the porn industry, it's her. Really? I

3:41

would have to reach out to her. Okay.

3:43

So what is it about Nikki that, like, you

3:46

find so expiring?

3:47

I don't she's just a hustler. She

3:49

is very business minded. A lot of people

3:51

probably don't see that. They just see her

3:54

through porn, but I just like the way she

3:56

thinks as a person. Mhmm. So

3:58

I I love to reach out to people who are,

3:59

like, the o g go guided kind

4:02

of girls because I wanna learn from them, you know.

4:04

But, yeah, she's a

4:05

special person. Yeah. You know, she's

4:07

she's high. Yeah. She is. And she looks

4:09

great. Yeah. Yeah. She's been in the industry

4:11

for a while, but she looks exactly the same.

4:13

Oh, for sure. I know I'm making fruit.

4:15

sleep. What are you eating?

4:19

She's a lot of fun. We hosted ADP

4:22

star for digital playground for a season.

4:25

Oh cool. And that was a lot of fun.

4:27

Oh, yeah. She's a star. Yeah. Definitely.

4:29

I have to say though too, I I

4:31

was impressed I could tell it's so funny.

4:33

It's like the little things that you can tell when somebody

4:36

comes into the industry and they're very

4:37

much about, like, this really being a career

4:39

and they're serious about

4:40

their path. Yeah. Because when I asked

4:42

you for

4:42

information for this podcast, I cannot

4:45

tell you how many times girls

4:47

give me nothing. Oh. Or

4:49

they send me, like, just

4:51

i'm just unusable

4:53

information or unusable

4:55

photos. So I asked you,

4:57

you sent me, like, links interviews, you had

4:59

a Dropbox link with headshots, and

5:02

every single one of them was usable. I was

5:04

like, oh my god. this girl

5:07

is amazing. I was very excited

5:09

about that. Yes. So just like

5:11

little things like that when you can see, like,

5:13

So he's like, okay. This these are the things that

5:15

I do to Yeah. -- you know, get my name

5:17

out there and promote myself. Exactly. That's so important.

5:20

Well, I I think more people should do that. Like,

5:22

reach out to podcasts. or reach out to

5:25

anyone people who aren't in the port industry,

5:27

you know. Mhmm. It's just good to get your name

5:29

out there. Yeah. And it's fun. Like like we talked

5:31

about this before we came on just getting to know each

5:33

other off of a set. Mhmm. It's gonna be

5:35

interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

5:37

Yeah. PR is important, and I feel like a lot

5:39

of people don't see that. And, yeah, it'll

5:41

separate your brand from -- Yeah. -- no one else for

5:43

sure. And I always tell them, like, get yourself, like,

5:46

a PR kit. Like, just get yourself a little

5:48

bio. links to whatever interviews

5:50

you've done, like, just put it in, like, a doc

5:52

-- Yeah. -- then, like, quote safer

5:54

work photos, maybe some not safer work photos, depending

5:56

on what you're doing. put it on, like, a little

5:58

drop box. And then, like, when

5:59

people ask you for your PR kit, just send it.

6:02

It's really not hard to do. Yeah. And update your

6:04

head shots. because some people will use a headshot from, like,

6:06

twelve years old. Yes. Yes. That is absolutely

6:08

true. Yeah. Anyway, look at me, give you business

6:10

advice. This is Nikki Bent.

6:12

I know. You're channeling me.

6:16

So you

6:18

grew up in white -- Yeah.

6:19

-- with military parents tell us what

6:21

that was like. Oh, well,

6:23

my parents, they

6:26

were very active in the military, so

6:28

they were really home. And being

6:30

in Hawaii, it's easy to just skip

6:32

school and go to the beach. So

6:36

I grew up just on the beach, like, every

6:38

day. and surfing and yeah.

6:40

It was fun. It's I was very spoiled. Like,

6:42

the beaches in California don't compare. Yeah.

6:45

No. They really didn't. So, yeah, I haven't surfed

6:47

here yet. I'm just not ready to wear a wet

6:49

suit. But Hawaii

6:51

was amazing. I was definitely spoiled.

6:53

But at the time, you're very like you don't

6:55

appreciate it. I feel like because you just feel stuck

6:58

on an island. Mhmm. But now that I'm

7:00

gone, I would love to just go back and

7:02

retire there. Yeah. When did you leave Hawaii?

7:05

So I joined

7:07

the military. When did I

7:09

when did I leave? It feels like

7:11

this last few years in the industry is just like,

7:14

than

7:14

my entire life. Mhmm. Yeah.

7:17

I joined the military. Okay. My parents got

7:19

divorced, so I left, I graduated high school

7:21

early. joined the military out

7:23

of Florida, and got stationed back in Hawaii

7:25

right away. So I ended up was that even

7:28

coincidence?

7:29

Or did you kind of, like, request

7:30

that? Or I was supposed to go

7:32

to Korea. Okay. My dad, he

7:35

was highly ranked, so he kind of

7:37

finesse. Right. Me. Gotcha.

7:39

Me the general, and he got me to come back

7:42

to Hawaii to him. Okay. Kind of

7:44

was mad at him for that, but it was a great duty

7:46

station. So Yeah. I did four years

7:48

there, and then I ended up station and

7:50

moderate my last year. Okay. But, yeah, I was in

7:52

Hawaii for, like, a big chunk of my life.

7:54

Okay. Yeah. So tell us what being

7:56

in the military is like. Oh

7:59

my gosh.

7:59

But what did you do specifically? It's so

8:02

crazy because it really depends.

8:04

what your job is and what unit you're with.

8:06

Like, I was with the Combat unit, so I was

8:08

training everyday in the rain. My

8:11

main job was human resources. So

8:13

I thought, it's gonna be easy. I'll just be in

8:15

a office. I can go to college part time.

8:17

Like, that that was my big goal. Like, I skipped

8:20

school so much. I had to go join the military

8:22

to go college. Mhmm. And my parents both did

8:24

it. So I thought, you know, if they could do it, I

8:26

could do it. Mhmm. But yeah.

8:28

So it turns out when you go

8:30

to combat unit, you're actually in the field all

8:32

the time no matter what your job is. So they handed me

8:34

a machine gun. And

8:37

I had yeah. I was in the field in

8:39

the rain for, like, four years. Oh my

8:41

god. It was a lot. It was a lot of my body,

8:44

but it's crazy. Like, the military is

8:46

more mentally challenging than

8:48

it is physically, I think. Like, if you can control

8:50

your mindset, like, you can

8:52

exceed the standards. So how do you mean?

8:55

Like, as far as the physical fitness

8:57

tests, I would just

8:59

push myself I wasn't as fit as everyone

9:01

else, but mentally, I would just push myself and

9:03

I exceeded

9:04

the physical training standards. I was, like,

9:07

out pushing the guys, but

9:09

that's probably why they gave me the machine gun because

9:11

I could lift heavy things So

9:13

I kind of screwed myself. I was stuck carrying

9:15

the big gun everywhere. Is

9:17

that why I was a machine gunner? Yeah. Okay. because

9:20

I was a machine gunner. That makes sense. That

9:22

totally makes sense. Yeah. So

9:24

so when you say, like, mentally challenging, you

9:26

mean kind of

9:28

you, like, mine give her body. Yeah. And especially

9:30

with withdrawal sergeants, like, they they

9:32

want to press your buttons to see how you react

9:34

under pressure. Mhmm. Like, that's a huge

9:36

thing in the military. So Yeah.

9:38

Just like learning it's a game and you have to play the

9:40

game. It's kinda like the adult industry. Mhmm. It's

9:43

all a game and you just have to, you know -- Yeah.

9:45

-- be professional and to your

9:47

job and be nice to people

9:48

and you'll be okay. Do you feel like that really

9:50

set you up for your work in

9:52

adult now?

9:53

Oh, for sure. Especially just

9:55

the discipline that I learned in the military

9:57

because going from the girl who would skip school every

9:59

day

9:59

to

10:01

exceeding standards and just being on

10:03

time and had soldiers I was responsible

10:06

for. It made me more aware

10:08

of people

10:09

and how to treat other people. don't know.

10:11

Yeah.

10:11

Is like, it's hard to explain. If you

10:13

go through it, I feel like you understand. Yeah.

10:15

And it's hard to explain to people who weren't in the

10:17

military. Right. But yeah.

10:20

Was it

10:22

hard

10:22

being a woman in the military? Oh,

10:24

yes. It was. That's I

10:27

was the only female in my barracks So

10:29

it was all nine people are in your barracks.

10:31

Oh my gosh. It was probably like three hundred people.

10:34

What? We're more You were one

10:36

woman out of three hundred guys. Yeah.

10:38

Yeah. And I was living

10:41

and it's like dormitories basically. Right?

10:43

So, like, people

10:45

were stealing my panties out of the laundry.

10:47

Like, was getting harassed a lot, not

10:49

physically, but just Right. -- verbally

10:51

and yeah.

10:54

It was rough. I mean, because you're I'm probably, like,

10:56

too. So it's, like, nice I'm pretty strongly

10:59

minded, so I don't take shit from people.

11:01

But after year of that,

11:03

I was like, I have to get married. I have

11:05

to get out of these barracks. and

11:07

get off post. because if you get married, the

11:09

military covers you housing for somewhere

11:12

away from the post. So,

11:14

yeah, This is so interesting. don't know

11:16

anything about the

11:17

military. Yeah. Okay. So you're

11:19

being, like, sexually harassed by all

11:21

of these men for sure. Mhmm. And

11:24

you decide to get married to get out of that.

11:26

Exactly. So tell me about, like, who did you

11:28

marry? Oh

11:30

my gosh. This is crazy. Okay. I

11:32

was dating someone and they

11:35

weren't

11:35

really,

11:36

like, wanted they didn't really wanna date me

11:38

back. so

11:39

I married his best friend. So

11:44

I was friends with his best friend and

11:46

I was like, well, this guy is not gonna work. Yeah.

11:48

So I need to move on to the next. And

11:50

me and his best friend got along really well.

11:53

We dated for a week. It went well.

11:55

And I said, you know what? Instead of boyfriend

11:57

and girlfriend, we should just be husband

11:59

and wife. It's like

11:59

the same thing. So Oh, yeah.

12:02

It's exactly the same. Yeah. So we went

12:04

to a Starbucks and

12:05

met a guy there to marry us. And

12:07

you got married in a Starbucks? Yeah.

12:09

And, like, oh my god. Five minutes. It was crazy.

12:13

Wow. So that marriage didn't

12:15

work out. but it really was really set up.

12:17

It's set up so strange. It was not

12:19

set up for success, but I'm glad I

12:21

did it. I ended up, like, moving off post,

12:23

I had dogs. Like, I was having such

12:25

a good life, like, away from all the

12:28

craziness. So Yeah. Yeah. How

12:30

long were you married for? Like, two

12:32

years. Okay. Yeah. And

12:34

then I got divorced, went our separate

12:36

ways, very peacefully, and I

12:38

the station of Monterrey from my last year.

12:41

And things were better there. Yeah.

12:43

It's a language institute, so

12:45

it wasn't more like combat guys.

12:47

Right. Right. Corning you guys all

12:49

the time. It was more of like a school. Okay.

12:52

Yeah. So was cadre.

12:53

I was like, I

12:55

worked at the school. Right? Yeah. Wow.

12:57

That's so interesting.

12:58

Yeah. Yeah. My god. How

13:00

old were you when all of this went down?

13:03

I got married at nineteen, and

13:05

then yeah. I got

13:07

out of the army, like, three years ago, two

13:09

or three years ago, I think. Okay. Yeah.

13:11

Wow. Before

13:13

you left the service, you managed to get your boob

13:15

job paid for by the military. Oh, yeah.

13:17

How about it? Okay.

13:23

I love the military. Oh,

13:25

how did I do that? Oh, my gosh. Okay.

13:27

I was in Monterrey and not a lot of people

13:30

go get plastic surgery there because it's

13:32

a language institute. So it's mostly students.

13:35

Mhmm. But my surgeon, I told

13:37

him about my situation with my my husband

13:40

that we got divorced and he would kind of like

13:42

joke about my boobs a lot. Mhmm. So

13:44

if you have any sort of mental

13:48

problem with your body or

13:50

like by dysmorpia, they'll give you a free

13:52

cosmetic surgery because they want their soldiers

13:54

to be confident.

13:56

Yeah. I've had

13:59

soldiers get their

13:59

vaginas nipped, like, yeah.

14:03

So I went to the surgeon

14:05

and he doesn't

14:07

do that kind of plastic surgery, so he sent me to

14:09

the Air Force. The Air Force does amazing

14:10

boobs.

14:11

Like, I salute

14:13

the Air Force.

14:15

So, yeah, he was like, no one

14:17

really gets surgery here because they're all students.

14:19

I would love for you to be my my guinea pig

14:21

and send you up there and see how it turns

14:23

out. So It was a free boob job.

14:26

Wow. Yeah. So I went up.

14:28

The air force did it and then Week. So

14:30

I, like, really wanna get, like, lifelong

14:32

and mid turn after the baby because I just

14:34

can't lose a

14:35

weight, so should I just join the military?

14:37

The military lives

14:38

get lots of surgery. Really?

14:41

I don't know if there's cap on their surgery.

14:43

Like, for us, it's usually one cosmetic surgery.

14:46

Uh-huh. But think they can just do it Wait. So the

14:48

wipes get as much as they want. So How does

14:50

that work? don't know.

14:52

It's kinda because then, like, then, like,

14:54

happy wife, happy life. Yeah. Like, if your wife's

14:56

happy and feels like she then you're happy

14:58

and happy. That makes sense. that's

15:01

but yeah. So, read your regulations if you're in

15:03

the military because you never know what's in

15:05

the the fine line. Like, what

15:08

you could get out of the army. Like, you the army

15:10

uses you, so you need to use it back a little bit.

15:12

You know? Yeah. I mean, that, you

15:14

know, fair enough. Fair enough.

15:16

Wow. That is that is I learned

15:19

something new today. Yeah.

15:20

i'm

15:22

So how did

15:23

you make the transition

15:25

to porn?

15:26

Oh, good question. Well,

15:30

I started counting and

15:33

she started I'm gonna say this

15:35

on here because I can say it now. Okay. But I actually

15:37

started camping while I was in the military, which is

15:39

not allowed. But -- Right. -- I did it my last year

15:41

because I wasn't making any money. I could

15:43

barely afford that. But also, like, they

15:46

paid for your boobs. Like like,

15:48

shouldn't you like, you pay for my boobs. Why

15:50

can't I show them to everybody? Yeah. It's a great

15:52

job that you They did amazing. Alright.

15:55

Yeah. That's so funny because when I

15:57

was getting my boobs done, the doctor said,

15:59

don't wanna

15:59

give you porn star boobs. Like, you don't need huge

16:02

boobs. And the irony, I'm a porn star

16:04

Yeah. Like, you should have came through with the

16:06

bigger boobs.

16:07

But yeah. So I started camping

16:10

up for little bit. I met some girls for cam

16:12

girls, I was like, you're making what I make in

16:14

a ear in, like, a month. Like, I

16:16

need to do what you're doing.

16:17

So when I saw I was getting

16:20

really comfortable with that. I could

16:22

get out of the army and survive

16:24

in California, like making

16:26

a good paycheck, you know. Mhmm. So I got

16:28

out. I started going to college, COVID hit.

16:30

I couldn't get a job anywhere. I was getting lonely

16:33

on cam

16:34

because, you know, it's just it from your bedroom. You don't

16:36

really need anyone?

16:38

So my fans were the ones

16:40

who were like, you're really good at performing. Like, you should

16:42

do this professionally. And they sent me a

16:44

bunch of agencies that were on the Avian

16:46

website. So they help me get in

16:48

the morning.

16:49

Wow. So I'm like, oh, my career to my fans.

16:51

I thought that's really sweet. So

16:54

I still cam all the time, and they're like, you've come

16:56

so far, like, oh my gosh. Oh, gosh.

16:59

They, like, carried you through your They're my best

17:01

that's not so fun. Yeah. I mean,

17:03

that's like, I think a lot of people who

17:05

don't really know a lot about the adult industry

17:07

and -- Yeah. -- specific about counting.

17:10

are surprised to hear that performers

17:12

can have, like, a good relationship,

17:15

you

17:15

know, with with their fans -- Yeah. -- that isn't

17:17

just like this kind of teach me some monetary

17:20

exchange. I mean, obviously, there's a monetary exchange,

17:22

but there is, like, there can be, like, a real connection

17:24

and and authentic friendship there? There is.

17:26

Yeah. Like, even if I'm going through something,

17:29

they'll give me advice and help me get through it.

17:31

Like and I'm there for them too. So it's

17:33

like, transactional in a way, like, we get there

17:35

for each other. Yeah. But it's, like, real friendship,

17:37

especially when you meet them at Avian or the expos

17:39

expos. It's just fun. Yeah.

17:41

You know, to actually, like, see them in thirty

17:43

people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

17:46

The the idea that, like, every

17:48

guy on cam is, like, some creepy,

17:51

perverted. There's a lot I mean, often

17:53

I think more of those, like, rude people. Of

17:55

course. You know? But that's everywhere. Right? That's

17:57

everywhere. Yes. I I find though

17:59

that honestly

17:59

you have much nicer

18:02

fans or much nicer

18:04

people on your gaming sites

18:07

on only fans than you do on

18:09

social media. because when people start paying for

18:11

your content, they're not there to, like, beat

18:13

to shit on you. Mhmm. But, like, on

18:15

Instagram, like, they're they're YouTube.

18:18

Yeah. They're there. It is shit on you.

18:20

And it's, like It's free. It's gonna

18:22

say, like, whatever I want to you behind

18:24

the pseudonym. You have no idea who I am and I

18:27

can say, because that's horrible things to you and make you feel

18:29

bad about yourself. But the ones who are actually,

18:31

like, willing to pay for your time.

18:33

Yeah.

18:33

And the camp fans are honestly the

18:35

camp fans are the most loyal fan base

18:37

because they're getting to know you as person

18:39

versus just watching you on. a

18:41

porn site. Yeah. So I'm just

18:43

so thankful for them. My career I think that's

18:46

really what set me apart in my career versus

18:48

other new girls coming in with that, like,

18:50

loyal fan base. Right. Yeah. So what

18:52

do you do when, like, when are you

18:54

still counting? Yeah. I do. So

18:56

how long are you generally on cam? And,

18:58

like, what does that time normally consist

19:01

usually

19:01

go on for two hours and I if I

19:03

don't have a scene, I might as well -- Yeah. -- you know.

19:05

So I'll go on for two hours and then

19:07

sometimes I do it only fan's live. So

19:09

yeah. And

19:11

then do you guys in, like, generally talk?

19:13

And then there's like surprisingly. I

19:16

have a lot of friends who want to do sex

19:18

work, but they don't you wanna do the sex

19:20

part. Mhmm. I'm like, okay, guys.

19:22

You wanna put your foot, like, halfway in.

19:24

get it. But cam is great because

19:26

you can literally just talk to people

19:28

and people just wanna be heard and have a

19:30

friend. Mhmm. And then maybe you can get it topless,

19:32

but you don't really have to fuck yourself on camera. Do

19:35

anything crazy like that. So Yeah. Yeah.

19:37

yeah, I have found that there's

19:39

just think there's a lot of people, and I think

19:41

this is so apparent, like, with COVID, and

19:44

then, like, the explosion of only fans. there's

19:46

just a lot of people out there who are just longing

19:48

for, like, human connection with someone who's not gonna

19:50

judge them. Exactly. because I think also

19:52

too a lot I mean from my experience,

19:54

from a lot of, you know, my

19:56

fans that I've talked to, that they

19:59

don't all

19:59

like, some of them don't necessarily, like, have

20:02

great success with women. Yeah. And have

20:04

a hard time connecting with women. They have,

20:06

like, some kind of social anxiety issue

20:08

or may they might even be, like, disabled or

20:10

something. And so they'd, like, they have

20:13

a hard time, like dating women

20:15

in real life. And so It's way easier online.

20:17

It's easier online. Definitely hotter online.

20:23

No. I love, you know, I love the Internet.

20:25

Yeah. So

20:30

what kind of porn did you watch before

20:32

you were in the industry?

20:33

the

20:34

Milfs.

20:36

Milfs. Yeah. I love, like,

20:38

lesbian, milk. I don't know. Something about

20:40

a woman who knows

20:41

what she's doing to and beyond any particular

20:43

performers.

20:44

No. I loved anything

20:47

with a Bella Danger, though. I was just I'm

20:49

This is not a milf. So she doesn't say

20:51

a stepdaughter usually. Yeah.

20:53

but I used to be a big supporter. Like,

20:55

now it's harder for me on camera. I get,

20:57

like,

20:57

squirt shy. Really?

21:00

I get shy. So but when I'm

21:02

in my personal life, I ruin mattresses. Like,

21:04

it's crazy. Wow. Yeah. I think

21:06

I just need, like, that

21:07

connection with someone, like, in a relationship

21:09

or something. Uh-huh. I'm

21:11

ruining mattresses left and right. But

21:13

I used to love to square it, so I would watch

21:15

her stuff because you could, like, squirt,

21:18

you

21:18

know, fountains. Yeah. Yeah. So hot.

21:22

What was

21:23

so when you I guess, let's

21:26

you know what? Let's say a commercial break. Okay. And

21:28

let's come back and let's talk about your first

21:30

quarantine and what it was like, like,

21:32

actually starting to do. like,

21:35

boy, on girl, girl, girl, sex work.

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guys. We are back. So, Kaylee,

22:53

tell us about

22:53

your very first sexy

22:56

and, like, walk us through it. Who was

22:57

it with? What was it like?

23:00

Okay. It was actually

23:02

my favorite scene I've ever done. Really?

23:05

Yeah. Wow. That's pretty rare. Yeah.

23:08

But I did it for oh my

23:10

gosh. I'm having, like, a a

23:12

blank right now. for the company

23:14

name. Mhmm. But it was one of those companies

23:16

where it's a new girl, like, a college

23:19

girl or something like, you have never

23:21

performed before. Mhmm. But

23:23

the agency I wanted to go with wouldn't take

23:25

me until I did my first practice scene.

23:28

Mhmm. So yeah. because I was in the military.

23:30

I didn't have anything to show for for

23:32

sex work. So they flew me out.

23:34

I went to Arizona and shot my first scene

23:36

ever, but it was amazing because I didn't

23:39

have any expectations. Mhmm. didn't

23:41

know, like, how reform or, like,

23:43

I didn't have any pressure. I just could go and

23:45

enjoy it. So I went I had an amazing

23:47

time and it went, like, viral. Really?

23:50

Yeah. So the agency ended up

23:52

taking me, and that's really how I got into the industry

23:54

too. But

23:55

who did you work with? You remember?

23:58

Yeah. He's currently not

23:59

here anymore. Okay. Yeah.

24:02

Okay. So it was a boy girl scene?

24:03

Yes. Okay. Mhmm. Yeah.

24:05

For excluded college

24:07

girls, that's what it was. Okay. Gotcha.

24:09

It was fine. Gotcha. Mhmm. And then

24:11

that went viral. And so

24:14

you

24:14

you said you went in with no expectations? Yeah.

24:16

I just

24:17

went and I didn't even know there because

24:19

they had cameras in the car, like, and

24:21

everything. They they told me when I landed,

24:23

so I had, like, consent and stuff. Right. Right.

24:25

But I just really

24:26

had fun. Like So it was a scene

24:29

in a car? Yeah. So it starts

24:31

in the car and then they take you to hotel

24:33

Okay. And then you have sex there for a long

24:35

time. Okay. It's a really long scene. And

24:38

then yeah. That's basically it. Was it a

24:40

long scene because they told you they needed a lot of time

24:42

or just because you guys got some of the the

24:43

whole experience of me for your first time

24:46

getting into a car with people I don't

24:48

know, like, shooting my first point out, It

24:50

was kinda hot. My fans love it. Okay. Yeah.

24:52

So they really do it's

24:54

almost like a reality scene. Like,

24:56

it's

24:56

not a fake setup. It's like, Hi.

24:58

I'm Kelly Gardner. This is my very first scene.

25:01

I just got off the plane. I'm on

25:03

my way to the hotel to shoot this. Like, I

25:05

don't know to expect -- Yeah. -- etcetera.

25:07

Exactly.

25:07

Cool. It was fun. Yeah.

25:09

I got to just be myself. So -- Yeah.

25:11

-- there was no, like, pressure.

25:13

Right. What and

25:16

then after that, you just started

25:18

yesterday? I just

25:20

I immediately, the agency called

25:22

me out when the scene released and they were, like, when can

25:24

you come to LA and because I was still in

25:26

the Bay Area at the time. Mhmm. They're like, when

25:28

can you come to LA and do your agency photos?

25:30

And I went out there. And, yeah, that's

25:32

when it all started rolling for me. Right.

25:34

Yeah. But I feel like recently, people are really

25:37

starting to hear my name more. Mhmm.

25:39

It took me some time. I had to, like, learn

25:41

my brand and what I wanted to look like,

25:43

what I wanted to perform like, it just took

25:45

a year or two, you know. Okay. Yeah. It's interesting

25:47

that you put all that much thought into it because

25:50

on everybody does that.

25:51

Yeah. You have you have to see what works for

25:53

you in your fan base. Like, what they react

25:55

well too, you know. Right. Yeah. Who

25:57

are some of your favorite performers that you've worked with?

25:59

Oh my

25:59

gosh. Kenzie Ann. She's

26:01

one of my faves. Okay. Savannah

26:04

Bond. I love Nike

26:06

bands. Mhmm. I just like people who

26:09

I don't

26:09

know if they treat it, not just like it's a paycheck.

26:12

They actually come and we have

26:14

great chemistry. It turns into

26:16

a good scene. Mhmm. Anyone who's just

26:18

treats it like it's a profession, you know.

26:20

Yeah. What about guys?

26:22

Oh my gosh. There's so many good ones.

26:25

I like Clinton James because he's

26:27

so hot. He really is. He's Yeah. --

26:29

and his wife's wife so Yeah.

26:31

Clinton James is amazing. Who else? Oh

26:33

my gosh. There's so many. Isiah

26:36

Maxwell. He always hits a nerve in me

26:38

and my foot like curls. Really?

26:40

I mean, his

26:42

Those are my, like, top two right now.

26:44

I'm starting to work with more OG's.

26:47

Like, I worked with Mike Adriano. Yeah.

26:51

Anyone

26:51

who knows what they're doing, Kieran Lee? I love Kieran.

26:53

Mhmm. He's good. Anyone who really just

26:55

knows what they're doing, and I like guys who take control

26:57

of the scene. Karen's great. Just don't

27:00

ever leave your phone unattended on set

27:01

with Oh, he'll take selfies. No. It's

27:03

not just that. Oh. He'll go on Twitter

27:06

and say that

27:06

you shit yourself. Oh my goodness. your

27:08

account. He'll he's I I haven't

27:10

seen him do it in a while, but, like, he's

27:12

notorious for that. So

27:14

he'll take your phone. If you leave it unattended,

27:16

he'll go into your Twitter and he'll write, oh my

27:18

god. I just shot myself. You know what? I'm gonna do that to him

27:21

next time on his phone. You should because that would be and it's

27:23

so funny because now at the point where, like,

27:25

if anyone who's been in the industry for a while,

27:27

who knows Karen sees, like,

27:30

someone

27:30

like a balladinger or, like, oh my god,

27:32

we should ourselves. Like, I just shit myself

27:34

for, like, I was Karen. Like, we know

27:36

exactly what happened. We know Avela

27:38

didn't shit ourselves. Like, Karen, are we gonna

27:40

do that to you. Yeah. That would be fucking

27:42

hilarious. Perfect. But there's so many good performers.

27:45

It's so hard to choose, like, a few. I know.

27:47

There's so many good ones for days, like, maybe I'm

27:49

in the mood for this first. Mhmm. Yeah.

27:52

I kinda hate it to be fair, I kinda hate

27:54

it when people ask me that question -- Mhmm.

27:56

-- because

27:56

there's so many people

27:58

that I I love, like

27:59

so many malls that I love working with. And

28:02

I

28:02

I'm always gonna leave somebody out that

28:05

I, like, really adore and then I'm

28:07

gonna feel bad when I'm I should've said that person.

28:09

Yeah. Exactly. Is there anyone that

28:11

you haven't worked with that you really wanna work with?

28:14

Recent It

28:16

was Angela White, but I just got to

28:18

work with her. How was that? Oh my gosh. She's

28:20

so amazing. don't think anybody

28:21

has bad scene with her. No. We actually

28:23

joke that this podcast should be called,

28:25

I love Angela White because

28:26

anytime her name comes up, everyone's

28:28

like, oh, I love her so much. Yes. I

28:31

love you. I draw a paycheck I wanna work with,

28:33

actually. I actually never met her yet.

28:35

Yeah. She said, well, you might meet. You might

28:37

meet her today. We'll see. Yeah.

28:40

But she's a great performer. She's an incredible

28:42

performer. Yeah. Yeah. She's a lot of

28:44

fun to work with. Mhmm.

28:45

Are you still close with your family

28:47

at all? Yeah. My dad actually

28:49

knows what I do. I think you found

28:51

out through watching porn, which is

28:54

really awkward. Yeah. That's not

28:56

that's not the best way to find out. But he's

28:58

so supportive. He was like, you're up for awards.

29:00

I'm so fucking proud of you. Like, That's

29:02

amazing. Yeah. So he gets it.

29:04

That's hard. And he's like, can I let me know if

29:06

you have any friends who were single? I'm like,

29:08

no doubt.

29:08

No. No. No. not

29:12

not your pants, like, oh my goodness,

29:14

Susan. But yeah. So he just loves

29:16

what I do. He falls on my Instagram. He obviously doesn't

29:18

watch my porn. That'd be a little weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He keeps

29:20

up with, what I do. So Yeah. And

29:22

then my mom is super religious, very

29:24

very religious. So she's

29:25

yeah. She doesn't know yet. So it's secret.

29:28

She doesn't know yet. You know. She thinks

29:30

I'm in college, like doing bottle service. She's

29:32

so she's so religious. I told her was doing

29:34

bottle service, and she said, you're going to help.

29:37

So we I see her, like, when's

29:39

a year old. I'm not as close with her as I get my dad.

29:42

Yeah. Like, I'm just, like, open minded,

29:44

you know, people. So So did

29:46

you grew up, like, in a religious house? It sounds

29:48

like your dad's not that religious

29:49

house. No. He had, like, a marijuana farm. That's

29:51

why they got

29:51

divorced. Yeah. I was just gonna say they

29:53

sound like very different people. Yeah. It it was

29:56

meant to happen, you know. But,

29:57

yeah, I grew up going to church and everything and

29:59

going

29:59

to, like, bible school and -- Mhmm. -- I was in

30:02

a what

30:02

is it called, back to school. Mhmm.

30:04

So I was definitely the the rebel there.

30:06

Mhmm. Yeah. What

30:09

what's your views on, like, spirituality

30:12

in God now? Now, it's

30:14

really so I don't

30:16

go to church myself. Like, I don't really think I

30:18

need to do that. Mhmm. But I still believe

30:20

in some kind of higher power. Like,

30:22

if I have to say I believe in God, that's

30:24

fine. I just believe in something's out there,

30:26

you know. don't think we just kind of magically

30:29

poofed on this earth -- Mhmm. --

30:32

and all the planets. So I don't know. We'll

30:34

see. That's what that's my worst fear.

30:36

Death is my worst fear. Oh my god. Same.

30:38

I just had a long conversation with

30:41

Corey Chase, actually -- Yeah.

30:43

-- who I interviewed before you, and we have this long

30:45

talk about death. And she's, like, cool with

30:47

it, and I'm, like, terrified of it. so scary.

30:49

I'm, like, am I gonna be burning

30:51

for an eternity? I'm, like, dad, like,

30:53

if you go to heaven throw me louder. I'll come up.

30:57

I don't know what's gonna happen. And then there's also, like,

30:59

people who believe in, like, reincarnation

31:01

and things like that. So it's, like, what am I gonna

31:03

come back as? So I treat everyone really nicely.

31:06

You never know. So

31:08

do you I mean, do you believe in

31:11

like, one

31:11

or the other? Or are you just kind

31:13

of, like, any of these things could be

31:15

true? Yeah. I don't and I'm very, like,

31:18

open to learning about other

31:20

people's religion. I just don't have like

31:22

a specific one that I I would say

31:24

I believe in. I just leave something

31:26

out there and I believe in good karma.

31:29

Do you believe so do you believe in life

31:31

after death? I

31:32

don't know. I guess we'll find out.

31:34

Oh, yeah. guess So I'm scared,

31:36

but I know I am too.

31:37

But we'll see. I'm just, like, I think

31:39

if you just

31:40

do, like, be nice on this earth,

31:42

and we'll see what happens next. you

31:44

know -- Yeah. -- all you can do is be

31:45

a good person. I agree with you. I think

31:48

that all you can do is yeah.

31:50

I mean, karma, I think is And

31:52

also too, I think that you manifest, like,

31:54

you manifest what you bring into your life. Just

31:56

the energy that you put out there, like, brings

31:58

you back I believe that's

31:59

a very similar

32:00

energy. And, you know, on

32:03

like its most basic level, you

32:05

know, if you're a positive person, you attract

32:07

positive people into

32:07

your life because people like to be around

32:09

that kind of energy. And if you're negative,

32:12

then you tend to repel, like,

32:14

positive people. Oh, yeah. And that's what I like to surround

32:16

myself with. Like, if I had noticed someone's, like,

32:18

alached in a way, they kinda, like, drain

32:21

you. I don't wanna be around those

32:23

people. Like, I'll work with them, but that's not someone

32:25

who I would go hang out with on my free time, you

32:27

know. it's good to be aware of --

32:29

Yeah. -- people and what kind of energy

32:31

they give you. Yeah. Are you good at setting

32:33

boundaries? I

32:34

am. actually. Yeah. I'm I'm not

32:36

scared to say no to plans or going

32:38

out and partying. Like, I need I'm

32:40

a grandma. I have to be in bed by eight. Yeah.

32:43

I'm gonna be a jerk the next day.

32:45

Same. Yeah. How old are you? I'm twenty five.

32:48

Wow. Yeah. To have your shit together like

32:50

that at twenty five, that's pretty remarkable. Oh, thank

32:52

you. I did not have my shit together. It doesn't

32:54

seem like I do. Yeah. But it

32:56

looks like that as long as I can fake

32:58

it. So what do you do in your free time?

33:01

my gosh. I feel like I don't really I don't

33:03

let I love my job. So I just love to

33:05

shoot content. I'm always collabing doing

33:07

photoshoots. Always going

33:09

out to dinner with friends. Like, I just love

33:11

chill vibes. So I like to go to dinner

33:14

once a week. Like, Kenzie Anne is gonna come

33:16

over. We're gonna do a live show and go to dinner. things

33:18

like that. I'm very boring

33:20

outside of porn. But

33:23

I like it that way. Like, you know, I don't know.

33:25

don't wanna feel like I'm working all the time that, like,

33:27

I want my work to be fun. Yeah. So Do

33:29

you have a hard time, like, creating that balance

33:31

between work and your personal life?

33:34

that's nice to get everybody does these days. I

33:36

do. I've had friends who are like, hey, I

33:38

miss you. Like, don't forget to make

33:40

time for, you know, yourself and

33:42

people that you actually love. So I'm learning

33:44

to find that balance. Like,

33:46

if I need to take a day off on my calendar,

33:48

that's one thing I struggled with my first year.

33:50

I was like, I can't miss an opportunity. I

33:53

need to be booked. Like, I can't take one single

33:55

day off, and now I'm like, it's okay.

33:57

Mhmm. Like, people will if they really wanna

33:59

book you, they'll

33:59

find another date. and it can take a day

34:02

off for you, like, once a week or something. Yeah. Well,

34:04

especially with what you do for a living because, I

34:06

mean, having sex a lot

34:08

is is hard

34:08

on your body. Oh, yeah. It affects

34:10

my like, I try to date while I'm

34:13

in the industry, and it affects my personal relationships

34:14

too. Yeah.

34:15

Like my sex drive is just lower because

34:18

I'm always overbooked

34:19

sometimes. Mhmm. So, yeah,

34:21

you have to learn to be able to take time

34:23

off for yourself and the

34:24

people in your life, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

34:26

How is dating for you?

34:29

Hard. Yeah. Yeah.

34:31

I'm I'm trying to be more open, like, I've

34:33

dated couple. It's

34:36

like, oh, man and woman. Mhmm. I've

34:38

dated people. So you were in a trouble. Yeah. It's

34:41

a couple. Yeah. So much fun. I've dated,

34:43

like, athletes, like, things,

34:45

people I wouldn't date normally before

34:47

porn. I'm just trying to be more open

34:49

to different lifestyles.

34:50

Mhmm. see what works.

34:51

So far, I'm still a lover girl. Like,

34:53

I just I get jealous really easy.

34:56

Mhmm. So it's hard for me to date performer

34:58

for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But then how

35:00

is that? It's not not fair right now.

35:02

Yeah. I'm doing it. I know. And

35:04

I I don't know. And then I don't wanna be a

35:06

girl. I mean, there's plenty people who do it, but I don't wanna

35:08

be the girl who says, like, I'm only gonna

35:10

do girl girl now -- Mhmm. -- because my

35:13

boyfriend isn't okay with what I do. Like, I'd never

35:15

want that to happen. Right. So I'm

35:17

learning to find people who are more open minded

35:20

and are in my industry, but maybe

35:22

they're not performers. Does that make sense? Yeah.

35:24

Totally. Yeah. The only person that

35:26

I ever dated in the industry was not a

35:28

performer.

35:29

Yeah. He was a journalist. So

35:30

Okay. But he got he understood. Yeah.

35:33

Fine.

35:33

Yeah. But also, like, I don't perform,

35:36

so it didn't really Oh, yeah. So, like, dating

35:38

is around for me. Yeah. True.

35:40

I mean, as a as a woman, like, So,

35:42

like, one of my really good friends is my quasar,

35:44

the director. Okay. And he's a hard time

35:46

dating women because he's a guy

35:49

and then and he's around a lot of hot naked

35:51

women. And so, like, there's that jealousy

35:53

issue. Yeah. Whereas, guys are,

35:55

like, oh, you're around a lot of hot naked

35:57

women. Like, that's cool, you know, for

35:59

me. So, like, I don't generally have that problem.

36:01

Okay. I see. Yeah. I think of

36:03

it right now as not something serious. Like,

36:06

if I'm gonna date, it's like a fun

36:08

moment for me -- Mhmm. -- while I'm doing what I do.

36:10

It's just like, you do your thing. I'll

36:12

do my thing. Long distance is great. I

36:14

get to focus on my career and then take

36:16

a few days off to go spend time with, like,

36:19

my person, you know. Mhmm. So I'm learning.

36:21

Do you want to, like, get married and have family

36:23

in your future? Oh, for sure. Way

36:25

later. Okay. Yeah. You guys don't have any

36:28

time. I mean, I had my first kid

36:30

at my

36:30

first kid, my only kid at, like, how

36:33

old was I, like, forty one or something? Oh, wow.

36:35

How old are they now? She's gonna be

36:37

two in a couple of weeks. you. So

36:39

that would be great. I'll wait till I'm,

36:41

like, forty. You can wait. It's people

36:44

always I mean, I was terrified. It's so funny

36:46

because I look back now. So I split up

36:48

with my first husband when I was, like,

36:50

thirty four. Mhmm. And I just

36:52

remember it took me a while to get out of that

36:54

relationship for multiple reasons one of them

36:56

was, like, I was so terrified that I would be

36:59

undatable at, like, thirty four. I'd be

37:01

too old. Nobody would want

37:03

me, especially

37:03

in LA, where everybody's so young.

37:06

And I would by the time

37:08

I met somebody, dated him for long enough

37:10

that, like, I wanted to be with him and then, you

37:12

know, had kids, like, I it would be too

37:14

late. Yeah. And it's just funny because I'm

37:17

forty four now and I look back, like, that

37:19

was ten years ago. I'm like, I was so dumb.

37:21

Yeah. Like, I Okay.

37:23

Like, it all worked out. Yeah.

37:25

It will. Yeah. That's true. You can't and you

37:27

can't force things. Like, just let things unfold,

37:29

you know.

37:29

Yeah. I mean, especially if you believe

37:32

that, you know, what you put out into the universe and

37:34

what you manifest is what you get back. I

37:36

needed to wait until I was the age

37:38

at where I which I met my current husband.

37:41

because, like, I had so much, like, personal

37:43

shit that I had to sort out and deal with.

37:46

We've been together for six years, and I'm forty

37:48

So, yeah, I was thirty eight when I met him. Thirty

37:50

eight's my ear. There you go. I've

37:53

got time. You've got so much time.

37:55

So I'll I'll kill it for --

37:57

Yeah. -- total fun fun relationships for

37:59

now. Yeah. And I also found too that for

38:01

me, it was, like, once I was at the point that I

38:03

comfortable being single and comfortable with the

38:05

possibility of being single for

38:07

the rest of my life. Yeah. That was when the right person

38:09

walked into my life. Oh, there

38:11

you go. You know what to know? because I feel

38:14

like a lot times people I don't

38:16

know. The way that I look at relationships now, I think

38:18

before I looked at it, you know, it's the the whole,

38:20

like, Disney Princess syndrome.

38:21

You're not -- Yeah. complete until you find your

38:23

other half. Like, the whole, like, you complete

38:25

me from that see the fucking movie

38:28

with Tom Cruise and wearing an azel, whatever the

38:30

fuck it is. I forgot what it's called. It's so fake.

38:32

But

38:33

right

38:34

like, for me, I had everything going

38:36

in my life that was great. And then

38:39

my husband just was like, he

38:40

I didn't need to be completed. Like,

38:43

I was complete, but then he was this

38:45

additional bonus.

38:47

I don't know in my life that

38:49

I treasure so much. And I think the differences

38:52

now is that

38:53

if we split up, I would be devastated

38:56

because I love him so much. And, like, we get along

38:58

great. Yeah. but I would like, I

39:00

know I'd be okay. Yeah.

39:01

Like, I would make it through and I could

39:03

continue on and I would be alright.

39:05

And I think living with that that

39:08

sense of confidence and that feeling,

39:10

I think, is so different than the idea of,

39:12

like, I can't live without this person. Yeah. You

39:14

need to have some sort of independence and self

39:16

love there. for sure. You can't rely on

39:18

someone else to give you that. Right. And then I think

39:20

that that also sets you up as a better partner

39:23

too because you don't rely on that

39:25

one person for everything in your life.

39:27

Oh, yeah. That's true too. They should just

39:29

be, like, a your best friend, like, a teammate.

39:31

Yeah. And I also it was interesting I had

39:33

did a podcast with Tristan Taremino who's

39:35

like a sex sex wellness

39:38

expert and like educator. And she

39:40

said some things that really resonated

39:41

with me. She says it's a problem with because

39:44

she's into she's in a relationship.

39:46

I but

39:47

she's done, like, I don't know

39:49

if she's polyamorous now, but she she definitely

39:51

has dabbled

39:52

in that. I think she is. Tristan, sorry

39:55

if I'm

39:56

miss miss

39:57

relationship and you,

39:59

whatever that word is. But

40:02

she bought us some really good points,

40:03

and she's like, you know, problem is is that

40:05

we look for everything

40:08

in our partner that they have to support us

40:10

in everything. They have to support us, sexually.

40:12

They to

40:12

support us, like, emotionally, they have to

40:14

support us, like, intellectually, they have to support,

40:16

like, all of the things that we need in somebody.

40:19

We put all of that on

40:20

one person, and sometimes that's a lot of weight.

40:22

That's a lot of weight. And and usually

40:24

one person cannot fulfill all of those

40:26

obligations

40:26

for you because we're

40:29

one person and we don't Like,

40:30

we can't check all of these boxes. hole

40:32

on your own and then -- Yeah. -- you set up

40:34

or bonus.

40:35

Yeah. Or find those things that you

40:37

need in somebody else -- Mhmm. -- you know,

40:39

like, have multiple not necessarily

40:42

multiple romantic relationships. But,

40:44

like, you know, your

40:46

emotional needs, maybe you're better

40:48

met by your best friend. don't know.

40:50

Like,

40:50

something like that. Yeah. And

40:52

I I think too when you're when you're

40:54

in a relationship, it's really important to

40:56

keep your friends close because some people will kind

40:58

of

40:59

put their friends on the back burner, but you don't there's

41:01

some things you don't need to vent to your spouse.

41:03

about. That's why you should have your girlfriends

41:05

or, you know,

41:06

just your friends in general.

41:08

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like

41:10

kind of keeping having, like, a community

41:13

of people where everybody serves

41:15

like some need that you have in some way or

41:18

another. So you're not putting

41:18

everything on one person. Yeah. I agree with

41:21

because then you're

41:21

always you ultimately, you're always gonna like, disappointed.

41:24

Right? Mhmm. Because, like, we can't be everything

41:26

to everyone. Exactly. So

41:28

Yeah. Just people on your own. Yeah.

41:30

And everyone else in your life is the plus.

41:32

Yeah. I also think it's like indicative

41:34

of, like, our culture these days too,

41:36

where we

41:38

I don't know. Like, do you feel like

41:40

with social media and the internet and phones

41:42

and everything that we become less connected

41:44

as a community? Oh my gosh. Yes. I that's

41:47

one thing when I'm dating. I will not bring

41:49

my phone out, like, for the entire night.

41:51

I think it's so rude, especially

41:53

just out with friends, like, just

41:55

you you don't know anything could happen.

41:57

You don't know if it's the last time you're gonna see someone

41:59

or -- Mhmm. -- you just wanna be there one hundred

42:02

percent, but I agree with that. Like, technology

42:05

is kind of ruining our

42:07

face

42:07

to face time with people. Yeah.

42:09

Yeah. Which is why when we were time before this

42:11

podcast. I was like, that's why I love this podcast

42:13

because -- Yeah. -- one time that

42:15

you sit down with somebody for an extended period

42:17

of time and you just talk. Exactly. Yeah.

42:19

You don't, like, check your phone.

42:20

and all of those things. I forgot about my

42:22

son. Yeah.

42:23

I didn't just because it's right there.

42:25

And it has a nifty HRU

42:27

sticker on it. which by the way, if

42:29

you join my Patreon, you will get

42:31

one of these for free in the mail. Oh,

42:34

wow. This fan fits on the back of your

42:36

phone really nicely. Love it. So

42:43

what are your goals in the industry?

42:45

Oh, you know,

42:47

I always get this question and my same answer

42:49

is I don't like I'm just kind of very good

42:51

with the flow person. Mhmm. I'm just seeing

42:53

where my career kinda takes me. Maybe

42:56

that's the wrong answer, but maybe I'll find

42:58

out later on. Mhmm. But yeah.

43:00

So don't really have specific goals.

43:02

Like, I don't my

43:03

goal is not to become female before

43:05

the year. I don't wanna there's not

43:07

certain people I'm waiting to work with,

43:09

and then I'll get out of the industry. Like, I'm just enjoying

43:12

my time in and seeing where it takes me.

43:14

Yeah. Yeah. And there's no, like, time

43:17

stamp. Some people are like, oh, I'm gonna do three years

43:19

and then I'm done. like I'm getting out. I'm just

43:21

kind of like when I feel like I'm ready,

43:24

maybe I'll stop. But for now, I'm just enjoying

43:26

it. That

43:27

makes sense. Yeah. think that's good

43:28

too to just kind of I mean, clearly,

43:31

you're business oriented. You see this,

43:33

you know, as a serious career and you just

43:35

kind of one

43:36

foot in front of the other. because we can

43:38

I mean, we all love to make plans, but, like Yeah.

43:41

And live, laugh, set plans. Yeah. You

43:43

never know what could happen. So like I said,

43:45

my goal is just to keep going and keep

43:48

being nice people and getting good bookings

43:50

and -- Yeah. -- do you what

43:52

do you think you'd be doing

43:53

if you weren't important?

43:55

my gosh. I wanted to be a newscaster

43:57

so bad. I just wanted my makeup in hair done

43:59

and to

43:59

be on camera. And now I get that.

44:02

It's perfect. So That's

44:05

sweet. Yeah. Oh my god. I just love

44:07

being in front of the camera. Yeah.

44:09

So it worked out. I have my dream job. you

44:11

always been that way? Have you always loved being in front of

44:13

the camera? Yeah. went to, like, film school and

44:16

high school and stuff. And it was

44:18

fun. I just

44:19

skipped a lot of it, so I learned a lot.

44:21

I mean, you were at the beach. She was in Hawaii. Yeah.

44:23

You're in the best life. You're only gonna be young

44:25

once living on the beach in Hawaii. You can

44:27

have the rest of your life to chain

44:29

yourself to -- Yeah. -- you know,

44:32

the everyday -- Exactly. -- grind.

44:34

But anything with TV and just performing.

44:36

That's what I love. So Yeah. Do you ever

44:38

have any inclinations of working

44:40

behind the camera? Is there

44:42

ever anything else that you wanna do, like,

44:44

Like,

44:45

you're directing? Yeah. Directing or producing.

44:47

Yeah. That's why that's why I love

44:50

collabs because I like to, like,

44:52

choose who I wanna be in the video and what

44:54

kind of outfits we're gonna wear together, what the

44:56

scenario is, the background. I

44:58

love doing all that. So maybe directing would be

45:01

amazing, but for now, I'm

45:03

happy with performing. I just love to be in front

45:05

of the camera. Yeah. It is fun though to,

45:07

like, set

45:08

up your own scenes. Mhmm. So

45:10

I've

45:10

been enjoying that. Yeah. I mean, the ability

45:12

to make your own content these days, which

45:14

is something that performers generally didn't

45:16

even have. I don't know what was like

45:18

before only fans. Like, we

45:19

get all industry. I was not the same.

45:21

I can't imagine. I can't It's

45:24

so different now. It's actually now is really

45:26

the best time to be a performer. You have so

45:28

much more agency over your career you're

45:30

making more money. I'm the only fan girls

45:33

right now are killing it. The ones who aren't with an

45:35

agency -- Yeah. -- they are, like,

45:37

they

45:37

know how to like, we just talked about,

45:39

put themselves out there with PR and

45:41

everything. Podcasts have changed

45:43

the game. Mhmm. So people

45:46

who don't even

45:46

shoot adult like, professional

45:47

adult porn or killing it too.

45:49

Yeah. Mhmm. Do you prefer

45:52

doing content for your only

45:54

fans or

45:54

for big studios or is it just

45:56

different?

45:57

I think I love both because I love

45:59

being on set and new people. It's

46:01

hard to do that through Instagram, like

46:03

giving people and stuff. But

46:05

So I love both. Like, I don't think I'll ever stop

46:08

either. Mhmm. It's a good mix, but

46:10

I'm learning to, like, make time for both

46:12

of them. So I'm not, like, shooting scenes

46:14

every single day like I was in the beginning.

46:16

I'm like, more

46:17

picky now. Yeah. But it's

46:19

good, like, quality over quantity. That's what we

46:21

think. So What are some

46:22

of your favorite brands to shoot for?

46:24

Oh my gosh. I can say that on here, like

46:26

the brand names. Yeah. brand names. Oh, I love browsers.

46:29

That is my favorite of all time. I just

46:31

love it's fun. It's always something different.

46:33

Mhmm. It's not, like, the same stepsisters

46:35

seen or Mhmm. I can't even be a stepdaughter

46:37

or a step sister. I don't know why I'm saying that. I mean, you know,

46:39

babe. you're,

46:40

like, in that middle range. Like a hot life.

46:42

Yeah. You're, like yeah. You're, like, the you're too

46:44

too young to be a stepmom.

46:46

Yeah. That'd be stepmom. Their thoughts are

46:48

just so wild. so fun. Yeah.

46:51

So browser's one hundred percent, and I

46:53

love, like, the Vixen Media Group.

46:55

They are so professional. and

46:57

the scenes look like movies. Mhmm. Any

46:59

companies who take it really seriously or

47:02

the ones I mostly enjoy work

47:04

for? Yeah. what kinds of scenes are

47:05

your favorites? Like, do you prefer the gondolas

47:08

no dialogue? Or do you like the features with,

47:10

like, a big script?

47:11

Honestly, I

47:14

guess it depends on the day. But I do

47:16

love acting, so I like the long scripts

47:18

as are good. And then I do love, like, the

47:20

occasional jewels, jewel store and where you

47:22

just get oiled up and just have great sex.

47:24

Mhmm. So it's good mix. Like, you can't choose

47:27

just one, you know. Mhmm. That's when I think it'll get

47:29

boring because I'll get too used to some things. Yeah.

47:31

Are you

47:31

good with, like, features and doing

47:34

a

47:34

lot of dialogue? Yeah. I like that. I

47:36

love the acting. It's really fun.

47:38

Yeah.

47:38

I'm not bad at it. I'm actually really good. That's

47:41

good. pride myself on my ass in. I'm

47:43

like, oh, we have to have sex after this. Oh,

47:47

that's great. That's a plus. do

47:49

you have any particular favorite scenes

47:52

to shoot like girl girl, boy girl threesomes?

47:54

Yeah. So I actually love boy girl

47:57

because I just love I'm kinda selfish.

47:58

Like, I just want it

48:00

all to me. Mhmm.

48:01

But now I'm starting to love boy girl

48:03

girl because sharing with another girl

48:05

is really really hot. Mhmm. And it's, like,

48:08

kind of easier.

48:08

Yeah. You don't have to take all

48:10

do all the work

48:11

yourself? Yeah. It is. So but

48:13

it's way more fun. I just love girls now.

48:15

Like, that's why I'll do only fans' lives and

48:17

try to get a girl, like, once a month to come on. I'm

48:19

sorry. I think I'm by. We'll see.

48:21

Okay.

48:22

Were you ever

48:24

with women before you did porn?

48:26

No. I

48:27

don't ever yeah. I remember went on to

48:29

my first girl girl scene and acted like,

48:31

oh, I've done this million times. Like,

48:33

It was Sylvia Sage. And -- Oh, okay.

48:35

-- my dreamer scene because, you know, I love, like,

48:38

Milford. Yeah. So, yeah,

48:40

I shot with her, and I was you know, I'm a pro. I've done

48:42

this so many times, and it took so long. It was the

48:44

longest day ever because I had no idea what I was doing.

48:46

But she said I I was good at eating pussy. So

48:49

Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I've

48:51

only been with a woman

48:52

twice and both times they were in threesomes

48:55

and they were forever ago. Oh, wow. I'm,

48:57

like, actually, not into women at all. I'm very

48:59

straight. I I only like guys, but, like,

49:01

my greatest fear is that, like, if I ever tried

49:04

to play on the other

49:05

team? Is that I'd be really bad at at any

49:08

Oh, no. You can fake it. That's fine. Take it till you

49:10

make it. I never like it. I just feel you know

49:12

what I I feel so josh. because, like, we always

49:14

talk about, like, it's so much

49:15

better than You're good. Who's good at eating

49:17

Pasiones. Who is that? Oh, yeah. And I'd be so terrified.

49:20

I'm like, what if I'm really bad. it. Oh, no.

49:22

It's so embarrassing. But

49:25

even dating women, like, it's been I've tried

49:27

it with the when I dated a couple, I can't

49:29

mentally bring myself to that place. Like,

49:31

I could have sex with them, but I can't

49:33

build a

49:34

relationship with a woman.

49:35

I don't know why. So it

49:37

makes sense. You know, like, your people

49:39

are attracted to and they vibe with like who they

49:42

vibe with. So -- Exactly. -- if

49:44

you're more like, you tend

49:46

to do better relationships with men. Yeah.

49:48

So I think I'm more by in the bedroom. room.

49:50

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. You just like to

49:52

play. Yeah. I love to play. Well,

49:54

Kaylie, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you.

49:57

It's a pleasure to have to know you. Thanks for having

49:59

me. Yeah.

49:59

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