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You are listening to a

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Pleasure Podcast. For more from

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Pleasure podcasts.com. Hello

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Everybody Rock! And back to how

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the Randall Unfiltered am today. I

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am thrilled to be welcoming back

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when of my favorite guests. She

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is one of the biggest stars

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in the industry right now and

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the queen of gang bangs and

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sex parties. Let's welcome back Kazumi,

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I am back. I am. It's

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you again. That much has changed.

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Well a lot has changed. I

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interrupt people were less room and

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I'm wearing a push up bra

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now. Okay so that's a. Our.

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started doing and all and

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the. I. Still, I gang bang.

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So actually not a lot has changed. Oh

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can I order? A

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totally really affect f I have many

1:07

questions for you because a lot has

1:09

happened since you've been here. Ah, So.

1:13

Back. And twenty twenty two, you were only doing

1:15

personal contact. Platforms So. What?

1:17

Made you start some to oh my

1:19

god Yeah I was a little old

1:21

baby and will always a little slut

1:24

baby and I'm like a big sled.

1:26

Yeah the I hadn't come in years

1:28

for sledding. Yes yet. Yeah I got

1:31

better extensions ago. spray tan I like

1:33

fully entered port affect her com. I.

1:36

Feel like I just. Wanted.

1:38

To I got another was like not really like a.

1:41

Big. Over archery or are there wasn't

1:43

a big, overarching reason. Psych.

1:46

I'm like I started seeing like a bunch

1:48

of vixen promo and I was a this

1:50

looks super cool I don't want to get

1:52

into like major productions that like. I.

1:54

Just can't afford myself or like I don't want

1:56

to pay for my saw. Yeah! and I also

1:58

want to hang out with my friends. yeah, I

2:00

think Oversaw. Like. Well as

2:02

a it was like recuse resort are like

2:04

project Dts. it was like a project by

2:06

wreckage often a long time ago it was

2:09

like a reality tv show. point where everyone

2:11

looks fucking. And. I was like wait

2:13

actually the cynic? cool yeah I feel like

2:15

I also was a son. Wanted to feel

2:17

like a real Ports on yeah like now

2:20

I'm a real Ports Yeah, you can't. Do

2:22

Not just content creators. Yeah, Set up I

2:24

said it, Physicists is because yeah back

2:26

back then you said you'd maybe some

2:29

one scene for browsers, athletes at How

2:31

silly of me Oh my god I

2:33

know, I don't like for seems a

2:36

rather so. Is it safe to say

2:38

that selling mainstream was much different than

2:40

what you expected? Yeah.

2:42

Yeah for sure. Like I remember when I

2:45

first got into this whole thing, there

2:47

was like this whole stupid discussion between like

2:49

you're not porn stars are like content creator

2:51

of yep. Yeah. They are

2:53

different. Merely so much more different. One

2:55

of them takes like thirty minutes, and

2:58

one of them takes like sixteen billion

3:00

hours. And one of them. As

3:03

like a makeup artist and sometimes the makeup

3:05

artist gives you little straw and and the

3:07

rest. Is like you Funding for. Yourself.

3:09

Yaya he say. I like

3:11

both like I like doing my own time and

3:14

facing to them to the my Ansel Adams who

3:16

them look he said it live in the comfort

3:18

and confines of everything that I've already wanna do

3:20

whereas like mainstream should be like a little surprised

3:22

like like mean she was like a box of

3:25

chocolates. With or in each other's

3:27

in there that like. He didn't want. But you

3:29

had to eat because you already on said. I

3:32

it all chocolate yeah I like

3:34

all of it's for I came

3:37

into mainstream already like with a

3:39

huge platforms, already very financially stable

3:41

and already doing pretty much the

3:43

top companies. I did vixen added

3:45

browser that it's Eric A to

3:47

talk about saw my experiences were

3:50

really great because I was only

3:52

going. To Things I really wanted is delia

3:54

because the day rate for any mainstream was

3:56

only a fraction of what I'm already. Making

3:58

on my own top worms. The I

4:00

felt like all the things I was living

4:02

with because I was doing it Super. So.

4:04

Filled by the creative like. Miss

4:07

it? Yeah, yeah, and a lot of people

4:09

who do really well known content pop forms

4:11

often says the reason that the Super Studios

4:14

is just like the traffic. In the

4:16

new members like it's not for that

4:18

de de de de rate. Actually I

4:20

feel like doing mainstream foreign. really killed

4:23

my money on only fans are really

4:25

speakers now. I mean obviously you could

4:27

always google might. My. Part on

4:30

but now. Like.

4:32

But don't. The. But those things

4:34

were always leaks. Now it's or you could

4:36

google like at a steep foreign scene of

4:38

my it's like that traffic that comes directly

4:41

to my sides are people who just really

4:43

suck of me as a person and like

4:45

really want to directly support midi artists. Ah,

4:47

I'm. So. I would Actually sailing

4:49

doing mainstream foreign didn't really help me and

4:52

terms of exposure because it says. It's

4:54

a beast that she could no longer control.

4:56

whereas likes honestly, I could get just as

4:58

most. it's just as much exposure during a

5:00

podcast like this or like doing a tick

5:02

tock are doing like a barrel youtube video

5:05

and I feel like I've got a lot

5:07

more fan directly from your podcast and a

5:09

half from like a browser seen actually. Browsers

5:12

you that. She

5:15

sits things Holly Rattles address and

5:17

based on earth. I'm

5:20

so. does that make you like. Kind

5:23

of second guess your choice to do studio

5:25

quandary. So glad you did it. I don't

5:27

do up front of money. I didn't do

5:29

it for the exposure I thought it is,

5:31

did it for the fun experience I'm like

5:33

for example, I just sit my first anal

5:35

and us my first Dps I could have

5:38

definitely and I will definitely have my first

5:40

anal ndp on my only fans by one

5:42

my first one to be in a super

5:44

cool controlled setting and I wanted like as

5:46

many people to jerk off to it for

5:48

as long as humanly possible. I'm I feel

5:50

like my overarching goal is to just have

5:52

everyone. In the world. Get a boner by

5:54

me. Through such a generous

5:57

spirit and he know I know I feel like I'm like

5:59

you know I. Superman like. Is.

6:01

Like one issue is that he can't

6:03

be superman everywhere. He only one man.

6:05

yeah she's up superman. I am super

6:07

slut like I wish I could fuck

6:09

everyone in the whole wide world. but.

6:12

I just got three holes. Slowly, you know

6:14

you're still young. So I do porn and

6:16

there's there's time. Yeah. I

6:20

have with vert would like virtual. Reality. And

6:22

like the Metaverse, you know I was there.

6:24

Have A. I've had every company in the

6:26

world approached me to do a I stuff

6:29

and I just saw. Now on. I get

6:31

it. You have a lot of reasons to

6:33

be apprehensive about it, especially in cases where

6:35

people are asking you. You have to be

6:38

really careful with the contracts. And with.

6:40

They're asking you to sign away because there

6:42

have been some companies. Just. Regular like.

6:44

Shoot Companies not anyone that you

6:46

shop for isn't that have been

6:48

sneaking a I clauses into the

6:50

contracts see days aim. That by signing

6:53

this model release was the standard model release It

6:55

You're used to signings you are like. Granting

6:57

them like oh, wow, use your

6:59

content for a I'm perpetuity. Oh

7:01

yeah, said. Though he I'm

7:03

afraid of Ai because personally for me

7:06

I feel like a I is like

7:08

this a different like nice fat as

7:10

just like like sense I or like

7:12

super Cg Iporn as any way I

7:14

feel like there's a different audience for

7:16

it. I don't think it's ever

7:18

gonna replace the Paris also relationship of me below

7:20

decks had on the internet at the else I

7:22

don't think like a i could create that. Yeah

7:25

yep. And. Don't try to.

7:27

It's also like if so, it's interesting

7:29

to see where that goes because. Even.

7:32

If a I get really good. right?

7:35

People. Are always so that a know that

7:37

they're talking to a computer and is that going

7:39

to matter to people? Are not. Yeah.

7:41

I feel like it's going to not

7:43

matter to look a really small segment

7:46

of people because is already super realistic.

7:48

Sex dolls? Yeah there's also super realistic

7:50

way such a this like anyone's voice

7:52

sounds like your voice I think people

7:54

still consciously choose like I want to

7:56

follow the the journey of like. This.

7:59

Real person. I want to like relate

8:01

to them in some way so I feel like I'm

8:03

unsafe for. And news also preet.

8:05

It is as a probably people who. Would.

8:08

Maybe. Prefer to talk to a machine

8:10

because they're afraid of actual real human

8:12

interactions and if they're like. Conversing

8:15

with and not real person and they don't have to

8:17

worry about like. Which. One thinks of them

8:19

because clearly not a person. yeah and also

8:21

it's like you can even think about it

8:23

like lot of girls on only hands do

8:25

have like a chatter chatter yeah but I

8:27

think a lot of people that are fans

8:29

already know that they know that there like

8:31

but there has to be a believable substance.

8:33

Just sense it's a sensitive believe yeah,

8:35

like okay, but maybe not. Maybe.

8:38

I'm talking to a real girls and at least

8:40

I know that the money that I'm giving her

8:42

goes directly to that girl and she still making

8:44

contact me which is a form of labor and

8:47

if you're not. Talking to her directly. You're

8:49

still talking to a person. Yeah.

8:51

Nora. Might. Be a little

8:53

dude in India, but it's still a

8:56

dude. You know that somebody was diversity.

8:58

don't having that, humans. And yeah, that

9:00

matters. Splinter Cell buying my porn? Yeah,

9:02

which is my vagina? Yeah, orbital. Or

9:05

move. Yeah, And. More reading

9:08

about like those complete A

9:10

I. Am. personalities like that have

9:12

like on Instagram and they're literally like you're not

9:14

a person but they have. A cult following

9:16

in their those are mind me

9:18

of like when I would create like

9:21

my own fault. What? I would. I

9:23

have like a text said was my own number

9:25

where it's just like me talking to myself not

9:27

now I guess a leg back in a day

9:29

when I was a fucking to be a and

9:32

it was like cool do like segments of a

9:34

fake message and and see myself reply and and

9:36

have a cafe conversation back and forth. If you're

9:38

just looking at a reflection of yourself how boring

9:40

you're not like getting introduced to any new concepts

9:42

are energies. yeah. But.

9:45

Some story behind that Ai character right? like

9:47

they're still creating that person I like those

9:49

responses are generated the like Chad Cbt the

9:51

as it is here he was you want

9:53

to hear and I feel like the the

9:55

essence of human connection is like the surprise

9:58

of like maybe the for some glitter. In

10:00

a way off the wall. Like I want

10:02

to hear like you're weird memory when you were ninety

10:04

and like what happened that yeah. Yeah.

10:06

They're gonna say like there was actually like a.

10:09

New. Somebody sent me

10:12

a demo for and a i chat

10:14

and they hadn't like really put guard

10:16

rails on as. It

10:19

got really weird. like. Whatever makes you say a

10:21

slur. I. Have yeah, well, there's thirty

10:23

years. That's where you're supposed to put in

10:26

the guard rails to ensure that that doesn't

10:28

happen. This. One was just a demo and

10:30

I don't think that they had put in all the guard

10:32

rails and so like. The. Conversation or

10:34

really weird and that was a habit

10:36

of it was slurring about. i'm uncomfortable

10:38

with this is the only I. Don't

10:40

like that? Have a say?

10:43

So am. I do have

10:45

a. Question for you that I've been

10:47

trying to Now I'm you know, your

10:49

cruise blown up and you're all over

10:51

the place. De. Apparently do

10:53

porn? Yes, Say that. I

10:57

will allow. I don't know. Either.

11:00

It's actually kind of scary. like it makes you think

11:02

of like emailing back in the nineteen fifties or you

11:04

could have led. A whole family with

11:06

a guy and he could be it. Also.

11:08

having a whole second family and left leg of.

11:11

The. Down the streets. Yeah, so I feel because

11:13

it's like Ford has become such a major part

11:15

of my personality and I actually legally just Kenny

11:18

would set the fuck of about it. I just

11:20

can't stop talking about gang bangs, have sex and

11:22

poor and other plants and like when I'm around

11:24

of I'm just a totally different character at I'm

11:26

Not Wearing of the Zebra. How

11:29

are you where? I mean. What do you like around? Them.

11:31

I'm. Like of the lab little bit too. Much.

11:35

About it was my. Eldest

11:37

daughter and I fucking sucked like I

11:39

feel like you're not inquisitive. Ah,

11:41

I'm. Also, they

11:43

really care Either I just say okay, she's

11:46

alive and too big, a bit slag, whatever.

11:49

Of. Us: Are they still think it

11:51

except dogs are we? As a plus.

11:53

And. A solved and also announced i'm an

11:56

influencer Like you know I look like an

11:58

influencer is true. I do Be isn't the

12:00

i will feel a jerk off? Yeah yeah

12:02

and more. You know, sometimes the

12:04

last A So that's cool to have begun.

12:06

Jerk off and laugh at the same time

12:09

than you've really got at. One of my

12:11

first see him on only Fans was actually

12:13

me on a fuck machine while reading Stand

12:15

Up comedy. Yeah, it's

12:17

like the Stupidest Was and Jack

12:19

All Hubble video in the world.

12:21

And it was specifically Spiderman pun

12:23

jokes. Like. It's yeah, if you're gonna

12:25

leave as you can find it, I'm not gonna

12:27

it. and I have bad delivery. A

12:29

Physicist. I mean to be fair, you are

12:32

on a fucking machines Our the I mean.

12:34

That. Must. Be.

12:37

Reasonable. Assists as I'm are

12:39

you saw a polyamorous relationship. With the

12:41

same guy you were dating. But yes, I am

12:43

I. Where this. I think

12:45

it's so funny when I whatever plus away

12:47

from all the comments are like using a

12:50

wakeup still. He's. Gonna wake up

12:52

isn't a figure out your a slut and

12:54

you're going to get the fuck out of

12:56

there or guess what else. Almost

12:59

four years ago, were still together and

13:02

we're still going strong. Yeah, Sixes

13:05

of him and what? He was a boy. So

13:07

me and yeah me and I posted him a

13:09

few times and every time a post some it

13:12

goes viral because other comments are super cross or

13:14

dell sudden my poor it's oil com a card

13:16

which isn't a bad thing but that's just not

13:18

like what he identifies as so I just kind

13:20

of keep it on my close friends. yeah but

13:23

he is a hottie the as a hammer. Obviously

13:26

yes, system us My Still he did.

13:28

He comes up to the hype businesses.

13:31

I'm so it You Also said in

13:33

interview that you were in the middle

13:35

of a slight rebrand. Rebranded

13:38

the wrong word I'm here to

13:40

diversify of so ah, I really

13:43

want to diversify my income and

13:45

as we know and as everyone

13:47

says to every single fucking days

13:50

doing porn or like. Only.

13:53

Hands has like a limited time. We

13:55

don't know how long this time is

13:57

but you know Facebooks died off Flight.

14:00

Blogspot died off, Tumbler died off, isn't

14:02

It's only a matter of time before

14:04

some terms of conditions change or like

14:07

the hype of. Whatever. This

14:09

is is no longer as. Like

14:12

making as you know something of much

14:14

money sir. I now I'm just looking

14:16

to find the next big thing which

14:18

is just creating a stronger brand identity

14:20

so I could get brand. Branch.

14:22

Sponsorships and just different products

14:25

to sell decides porn

14:27

on. Porn. Is always going

14:29

to be my love like I love doing

14:31

it and makes me so happy it's but.

14:33

It was actually signed My first. Sighting. Getting those two

14:35

seats his the slowest late royalties said maybe be like

14:37

you know what one of the so that are products

14:40

of this is kinda cool to just. Get.

14:42

Residual income for probably to rush hour life.

14:44

That rules. We are so where did the

14:46

are you would other products are you considering.

14:49

Ah I've actually the works of making a

14:51

comic book at super cool Really cool. I

14:53

do like a comic book tour and with

14:55

that I want to like start leasing myself

14:57

into like the game or a nerd community

14:59

a little bit. I'm I've been in every

15:01

adult invented for like eight years straight like

15:03

Admin Admin expos have like twenty four t

15:05

it's I never even really talk about it

15:07

because I thought I'm asian it's just like

15:09

of for a second plus enemy like births.

15:12

I didn't do that like it's not like

15:14

as a thing of the mention ah I'm

15:16

I saw on want to like get into

15:18

somewhere. Now are like I wanna like

15:20

start having a product like maybe having

15:22

an energy drink or like maybe start

15:24

of Make Apply And I started of

15:26

Streetwear Live on earlier this year. It's

15:28

kind of tanks and will figure it

15:30

out. For emerges, Harz Marches are

15:32

not Mertz. My own street where brand that's

15:35

like, not related to like. Of. Things

15:37

of my name or face on it also

15:39

god I thought it was called red Light

15:41

district still call red Light districts but I

15:43

had shovels of like shipping and handling scale

15:46

of I'm circling back and figuring that out

15:48

spiders want to find ways to leverage what

15:50

Kazumi as right now before you know I

15:52

fall off the face. Of the Earth and like

15:55

I'm no longer relevant. To the new slutty

15:57

girl arrives. Yeah. No. With that said,

15:59

so smart and. The you know obviously from the

16:01

start I think you have like a real had

16:03

for marketing. Yeah I mean you you had like

16:05

clear goals and you are not in here just

16:07

like kind of like our child porn and see

16:10

how it goes. Like it seems to me that

16:12

you've always had a strategic. Idea

16:14

about where you. Wanted to take this and

16:16

like that bit. the next big thing and

16:18

I wanted to be bag. I became bag

16:20

and now I want to see if I

16:22

have that same level up to that city

16:24

and problem solving and like do it with

16:26

it's totally different industries. But I just love

16:29

doing foreign. I. Did started dipping

16:31

my toes and tv how it's very

16:33

exciting were ah I just did my

16:35

first reality We sir I don't know

16:37

when it's coming out. Not.

16:40

Before this comes out of has to stay

16:42

tuned it's gonna be on to be ah

16:44

you talk about what it's about it although

16:46

it's kind of like a real world but

16:49

for only for like content creators I guess

16:51

like specifically all against people of all of

16:53

us are on different platforms and is as

16:55

follows us as we live in this house

16:57

for eight weeks. So. I just

16:59

almost finished filming. I hope I get a

17:02

cool edit. I know I'm going to get

17:04

a really weird sick at it. To.

17:06

Vote in the only porn girl audits really?

17:08

Yaya Oliver's and have like imply bikini models

17:10

and had gay porn stars and and had

17:13

a monogamous couple that only made kind of

17:15

of each other so I was the only

17:17

like. Three Balling Weird sick.

17:19

I talked about tests and gang bangs

17:21

a little too much, too fast so

17:23

we'll see like how my At at

17:26

got of. Yeah I know because it's

17:28

always like I mean the. The.

17:31

Editing is everything right. They really sheep

17:33

your character the I had it. Are

17:35

you like nervous or you just kind

17:38

of like I say. I know

17:40

what I said. Melissa cut it into

17:42

something we it's something really weird I'm I'm

17:44

not saying I with this much I will

17:46

say like it did make me excited because

17:48

I don't think of an active porn star

17:51

especially has ever been on tv you know

17:53

obviously a lot of us have like retired

17:55

and done at or stuff but I really

17:58

want to put my feet and like. That

18:00

said, and the food industry and is different

18:02

fangs of different types of entertainment and media.

18:04

Yeah, so it's been exciting to like. Kind.

18:07

Of Pioneer breaking that barrier while still doing

18:09

porn. yeah I think a lot of porn

18:11

stars retire and then they kind of are

18:13

like support and then I feel like then

18:15

they're able to get those brown opportunity than

18:17

bills slain by. It's like a really important

18:20

thing for me as being it was show

18:22

like I don't actually really liked doing for

18:24

him and he i like getting sucked sad

18:26

about yeah so sad story idea and to

18:28

do it wanting to. People who are like the

18:30

most successful or. Are the ones that

18:32

don't like turn around and Zealand porn? Was

18:34

a terrible idea. Like such a great

18:37

yeah very much embraces rather. On

18:39

and then I at. It's funny because a

18:41

lot of people don't realize this because. She's.

18:44

Not. Like. As big in this

18:46

country but like Sunny Leone is kind

18:48

of technically the most popular were of

18:50

all time letting the only Sunny Leone

18:52

in really area where she popular bollywood

18:55

spoken huge why to the asleep. While

18:58

twenty five million followers and script

19:00

like skiing with. Okay,

19:02

the I need insane Nine a miracle he was

19:04

doing our thing of the fashion world! So excited

19:06

to see like. Porn. Girls like

19:08

of are just. Were. Becoming

19:10

Couture Yeah now live on a Sunny Leone.

19:13

He did Big Brother India. Black.

19:15

What made her bag? that's so cool and

19:17

now she's like he and it's which huge

19:19

for India because like point not legal their

19:21

arabia so they don't like the fact that

19:23

a porn star with kind. Of able And I

19:25

think that's part of their fascination with her. Yeah,

19:27

she's like. Really? Diversified. Sixty.

19:31

Five million followers. That's. A lot

19:33

of see yeah it's crazy and I'm see

19:35

you know does fashions discern A restaurant is

19:37

a mix of line like I can. Everything

19:39

yeah I feel like three the funniest they

19:41

have. Some people are like would you do

19:43

after part like a unit go to either

19:45

debts and I'm sorry I'm probably not. dude

19:47

like I'm going to be really good for

19:49

a long time and like while I'm here

19:51

and making lot of money and is going

19:53

to get this money and put it in

19:55

different stuff and then I'll just keep winning

19:57

new users keep drinking off so that here.

20:00

One world, The when. A New world. Where I

20:02

mean the internet. And like all of these new

20:05

advances in technology, These personal content platforms

20:07

really allowed people to become their own

20:09

entrepreneurs and become their own brand, Ah

20:11

Tao is. Something that you could have done

20:13

like fifteen years ago. Really twenty years ago.

20:15

For sure. A forum you'd ever gonna them

20:18

only. Fans Yeah, a lot of years. I

20:20

applied for reality tv a long time ago

20:22

and they said no because I had it

20:24

only has and now it's almost unavoidable. The

20:26

like every hot girl was going to have

20:28

it only. Ah yes what are not a

20:30

do explicit or not as like of to

20:32

there are discussions share but like a yeah

20:34

it's so exciting. yeah it's crazy. While I'm

20:37

excited to I am I A actually. Hate

20:39

Reality T V Where My Watchers I got.

20:41

Him: So silly All that I

20:43

might, I just might air. I'm

20:45

so you wanted a few like.

20:48

He's in stars performing right now. How

20:50

do you feel? You feel like. Any. Kind

20:52

of. Responsibility. About that

20:55

I am I say feel like

20:57

there is so many isn't like.

20:59

Performers: Right now because I does

21:01

nicole dossiers or see their mouths any

21:03

rose embrace Now they to chi I

21:06

feel like were like an Asian girl.

21:08

renaissance right now. Thank you Asa Akira

21:10

as our our President! Yeah so I've

21:12

never really felt like a token minority

21:15

associate, mainstream like I feel like. I

21:18

feel it. I would feel that if I was

21:20

consistently the only Asian sometimes, but it's like. We're.

21:23

There's a so many of us like you know it's like

21:25

I like just did a seat of Connie you know like

21:27

it like back then it probably would have just been live

21:29

one asian. Chick. For the whole production but

21:32

The Outsider. To be multiple ones of us

21:34

as was his. We also have such slick

21:36

different lox to and are not really getting

21:38

typecast as says into different roles but I

21:40

will say when I was twenty years old.

21:43

I was shaking on my boots because

21:45

I really wanted to where. Do.

21:47

I wanted were a Japanese schoolgirl costume for

21:50

a photo shoot from my twentieth birthday and

21:52

I was like wracking myself of guilt because

21:54

I was like, oh My. God. Am.

21:56

I going to make the world a worse place for his and

21:58

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22:03

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22:05

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22:07

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your New Gang Bang directed by Eric

23:21

a lot to I'm. Erica

23:23

is very well known for her

23:25

feminist. Approach to foreign so. Was

23:28

the fact that you did your first gang bang

23:30

with her. A surprise was

23:32

at radio with your I was

23:34

her first gang bang arms. I

23:36

did my first gang bang with

23:38

black rock that. I. Have

23:40

ever see was a little hesitant because

23:43

ah but other seven as to obviously

23:45

arm and see was like really concerned

23:47

about showcasing female agency and making sure

23:49

that like I always have them powered

23:51

and like a lovely look that out

23:53

of control stick as I feel like

23:56

a lot of women especially. You.

23:58

Know they think about gang bang. Or it

24:00

may think of like it being really violent. it

24:02

being like. Really? Selfish

24:05

and terms of like only catering to

24:07

mail need the not like what a

24:09

woman wants, but in reality every time

24:11

I ask a girl was he like

24:13

what's your deepest darkest fantasy almost every.

24:15

Girl is like do I would love

24:17

again pick like. Obviously. Discover

24:19

the caviar. The altogether super attractive

24:22

and super respectful. Ah, I'm. And

24:24

I've obviously done a lot of personal gang

24:26

bangs and my real life, all which I

24:28

talk about all the times. But. Something.

24:31

Like. I. Mentioned when I had

24:33

dinner with Eric a lesser those telling her

24:35

to idea long time ago was born like

24:38

doesn't have like a cute gang bang. Or.

24:40

What about like a romantic game every time a guy

24:42

on a train ride on me in real life? Which.

24:45

I guess it's different in the game and

24:47

a gang banger enemy in real life is

24:49

always an adorable like it's never like an

24:51

evil like violent mosh pit of like genitals.

24:53

It's always been like a like I had

24:55

agreed to a good at it like they

24:57

make out of me and and like and

24:59

that are guy comes in and like a

25:01

little saying and I'm like we're having fine

25:04

and were laughing and it's like romantic you

25:06

know and I feel like. Now

25:08

there's a lotta guys like especially and

25:10

only fans world because they don't want

25:12

to tag of many people as possible

25:15

So they're super into like reverse gang

25:17

bangs because we're in a sort of

25:19

guys that we like one guy and

25:21

like for top girls and I am

25:23

always like no. I. Don't want

25:25

to do.that doesn't cater to my fantasy at all.

25:27

I want to talk what the fuck I've done

25:29

a bunch of rivers going back for. Every time

25:31

I do I'm always like. This.

25:34

Is it for me that and for

25:36

the guy like a guy wants me

25:38

to move to me Granger an and

25:40

another amazing brought the second time this

25:42

has led who sentence is that if

25:44

the guy's via and the same goes

25:46

for diverse than I want like the

25:48

hottest to disguise to like, kiss me

25:50

and make out of me and and

25:52

all have sex with me Yeah that's

25:54

like my fantasy says he was a

25:56

little. I'm. Hesitant

25:59

at first. Into I explain that and

26:01

she was like yeah, you're right, We. We.

26:03

Should create something like that because the groove

26:06

like it. Girls. Love Gang Fix.

26:08

Every. Girl deserve one

26:10

even you colorado Us

26:12

says. A baby hear that assess

26:14

assess of on that yeah I mean

26:16

that was one of the reasons that

26:19

and love talking to you unless you

26:21

because you with it was hunter lot

26:23

about gang bang. Yeah you talked about

26:25

how empowered it might say about like

26:27

the P R President for gang bang

26:29

this is my aching it's couture you

26:31

now making it making gang bangs cool

26:33

Yeah this is a mean that so.

26:35

And and I've had other girls on and I've talked them.

26:37

But game being played all said like. The. Same

26:39

thing, you know, liga I love that

26:41

attention on. The center of attention. All these

26:43

guys are. You. Know surrounding.

26:46

Me And I'm. And.

26:48

It is interesting how we never look at it that

26:50

way and I think it's because. We're. So.

26:53

Trained. To think that women are like

26:56

always been victimized by sex and like being

26:58

overwhelmed and that way the with like a

27:00

negative thing and. It's. Often

27:02

not like that. Yeah, and I've shot a cup

27:04

of such three game. Beings in my life.

27:06

And every single one of them. The

27:08

girl. Organize a shot at for that. Were.

27:11

Company. And loved it Was actually so

27:13

much on that you can feel like especially

27:15

now that I've actually watched a lot a

27:17

gang bangs. Discover. So

27:20

stoked when they're so a happy they are

27:22

like oh my god as as. Of as

27:24

they ever like when Erica Less See sold

27:26

me all they got potential guys and then

27:29

they also dogs and never ending Cycle Tiny

27:31

like white tighty whitey like briefs. I was

27:33

like. Is. Maybe.

27:36

God Israel like this is like

27:38

the best fucking day averse. I.

27:40

Like couldn't believe it. like I was

27:42

in Barcelona. In. Like this sexy castle

27:44

location and like a tooth robe on and

27:46

there is a sub. These five guys and

27:48

they were all looking at me. Like.

27:51

Oh My. God. I can't wait Have sex with

27:53

the others As like yeah, like I don't know,

27:55

how does doesn't rule. I feel like

27:57

a lot of like anti feminist people and. Are

28:00

also anti porn people. The as a whole

28:02

they don't. Assume that girls

28:04

want to have sex in general

28:06

Cnn. If you multiply by like

28:08

seven guys, they're like, oh, this

28:10

is definitely like something that a

28:12

woman just doesn't naturally consent to

28:14

at all when in reality, like

28:16

wrote. Off your girlfriend right now as

28:19

she was. See does not want to share. You

28:21

have another go on have a threesome with you.

28:23

Yeah, forgot likes we live with. That he

28:25

says it's easier for us. To.

28:28

Be. Like more flexible with

28:30

women? Yeah, because. If I bring

28:32

a guy over you're going to cry and

28:34

first fears, but a lot of us. Are.

28:37

Leaning. Generally. More

28:40

to guys because. You're before dating a

28:42

guy. Yeah, so we probably would

28:44

like to guys. Or. Seventeen Guys

28:46

the for a million Guy or

28:49

it's it's gonna Rule Assists: Yeah,

28:52

I mean I'm. I also be the

28:54

liked the way that she shot in the do ah yes as

28:56

it. Was a fact she watches of my

28:58

hairdresser. See they try

29:00

to watch her earlier in like the password

29:02

like wasn't working so I went to make

29:04

her justice before I came here and and

29:06

she. Frequently you might. Have a

29:08

week audio on. Yeah. I'm

29:11

like what was his own private saw. Oh

29:13

that's as. You mind if I watch

29:15

agreeing to be like slaves well Im

29:17

south seas or own like room and

29:20

others? You mind if I watch again

29:22

being on my phone when he to

29:24

a specific and she was like younger

29:26

and so I'm yes I watched say

29:28

and I really. Liked how.

29:31

I. It was very different the way that

29:33

that Eric did it. I like so mehta.

29:35

yeah it was like a us talking about

29:37

that conversation was actually a real conversation you

29:39

had I feel like I was over defaulted

29:41

on zoom and like a look through like

29:43

a lunch meeting we had so all the

29:45

things he said we're things we have said

29:47

to each other and as he put it

29:50

in the script and our what i was

29:52

reading the script or they have an hour

29:54

I was it was like oh like what

29:56

a. Big. Brain Genius? Yeah, yeah

29:58

yeah. Annoy like that. How? Oh,

30:00

it was a way to show that

30:02

she was concerned about. The. Female

30:04

agency and making sure that this was something

30:07

that aligned with her brand and also

30:09

like with your desires rights was a really

30:11

clever way to show that. like. Yes,

30:13

This is something that he wanted and I actually

30:16

like a little bit if the banter and a

30:18

little bit about. At. Not issues like

30:20

necessarily like making fun of herself by

30:22

you know, you were just kind of

30:24

like look Erica like. Yes,

30:26

Girls can like gang bangs, lay sciences. This is

30:29

a fun thing to do like. I'm.

30:31

You know, don't. Take this. As.

30:34

A seller he was like kind of to he

30:36

he like don't take their from england to seriously

30:38

sort of thing. So as a i was interesting

30:40

because. I. Felt

30:42

like I had so many girls reach out

30:45

to me after I posted Well acted like

30:47

thank you like I really wanted to see

30:49

that as and I feel like I don't

30:51

usually have so many girls buses me of

30:53

that him watching porn. It's obviously use the

30:56

guys so it's cool to start seeing. For

30:58

thought woman watch porn and be happy about

31:00

it. Also woman pay for porn thank you

31:02

like it's time for us to grow up

31:04

and for a girl give big girl panties

31:07

and paper or freaking for yeah yeah. And

31:09

then I also liked how. You.

31:12

Know there was a mean you guys talked about his

31:14

does back and forth ideas ray. And then legs,

31:16

the tennis and then the pool and then

31:18

like so really. Kind of showed how the

31:20

idea. Of. Valls and it kept it

31:22

like. Loose. And can a casual

31:25

and place on fun And then they incorporated

31:27

it look like they were shooting on like

31:29

i hate camera at at on our like

31:31

at it as a fancy rags for sir.

31:33

Okay well maybe to ease the filter because

31:36

some of the footage was definitely like ten

31:38

or early nineties. Reminiscence.

31:41

Have that kind of like static he sort

31:43

of footage. Yeah I like so it looked

31:46

like a freaking. Like I was

31:48

showing it to my cosplay. it's on their cell

31:50

l a lot of six showing it's as I

31:52

was and all them like dude put this like

31:54

the cancel festival like this is like freaking like.

31:57

Filmed. So cool. Yeah, yeah.

32:00

Either way, that's another reason why I really love

32:02

doing mainstream porn. Is like I like. Feeling.

32:05

Like I made it, you know? And

32:07

I felt like for a long time

32:09

as I was chasing. And pandering

32:11

to respectability politics about that. oh, I don't

32:13

want to do porn porn or oh, I

32:16

don't want to do this or dots I

32:18

started asked myself like what is making it

32:20

actually looks like? does it mean like being

32:22

on a real movie set or what's the

32:24

difference between this and that when I'm just

32:26

doing porn. Yeah. I'm still acting Russell

32:28

doing a mood board Russell having a

32:30

million meetings, were doing everything. Just.

32:33

Like a real movie set. Those yeah Now it's

32:35

like with what I really should. Chase is. What?

32:37

Makes me happy and feel fulfilled and that's what

32:39

making it actually is. And

32:41

then you guys hide. And I liked also to how

32:43

she brought in. The. Consent Checklist with

32:46

actually showing the consent checklist because of

32:48

generally not something that one like. Show.

32:51

The fans was usually personal conversations if

32:53

you want to have with each other,

32:55

but alluding to that's so awesome. And

32:58

then I. And. Then I was. Actually

33:00

I. Have to say I was curious to see if

33:02

there was this be a facelift. Then like what

33:04

was going to happen with the come to

33:06

They know that for Erica, like usually. The

33:09

combination of a porn movie is

33:11

like the guy climaxing, not girl

33:13

yeah and that she was very

33:15

careful to show like. I like

33:18

the end when they were eating you out. noom like

33:20

holding you up so is the best thing ever. I

33:22

was like. Oh Em Gee. Only

33:24

have ever. Gone. Eaten out and

33:26

a porn gang bang before like it's like

33:29

or and also during a lot of porn

33:31

gangs. The guys you still want to kiss

33:33

because their home like because are homophobic said

33:35

are like I decided that penis in mouth

33:37

like I want to see us and I

33:39

like this. There. Is a dig

33:41

inside my pussy and you're putting your dick inside

33:44

of of yes life is one big game may

33:46

have our first or last. It's just to see

33:48

happy when it's your turn. Yeah I'm like what

33:50

about like double In all in Dublin it doubles

33:53

ads. Yeah I was gonna ask is a day

33:55

because I couldn't tell ya. did a double that

33:57

and I was eight. This. Rules,

33:59

Reason. Surprise. Ah. No, I was.

34:01

I put it at me like. Put put, although

34:03

the cox and me at once. It.

34:06

Was super cute. He he. He

34:09

had you done. Double item for yes

34:12

I'm. Every. Time

34:14

I do it, I feel like it feels like

34:16

harmless fuck. like I'm like whoa like should to

34:18

the xp in my vagina the same time square

34:20

the time I didn't do anal. But. I

34:22

also wanted to be hard for a know

34:25

why to feel like they're you as he

34:27

gets Like then again if I got crazy

34:29

yeah this is as yes and then at

34:31

the end they do I there was a

34:33

facial. Yes there's so many faces did you

34:36

request that. I think so

34:38

because I generally like. Come. On my

34:40

face, I feel for me as

34:42

flake listen to will also like life

34:44

my partner's boundary as I'm just know

34:46

cream pies yet so excellent. x live

34:48

that region and I feel like coming

34:50

on your boobs his leg. That was

34:53

like what I did for like the

34:55

majority of my career until I kind

34:57

of was like Bell Eclipse. Plume.

34:59

My face and I'm not a big flaw girl.

35:01

So where does have some bill or yeah know,

35:03

like wishes to go lose you? Please put it

35:05

the i guess it'd be on my butt cheeks.

35:08

Muslim. This kind of boring. the

35:10

I was as if a cop out. I mean

35:12

when you have a com sat on the face

35:14

a you are very committed to that right? You're

35:16

gonna have to like wash your face afterwards. you

35:19

make up. Done! With. Forget your

35:21

hair oh I don't even wasn't

35:23

any Me undies disgusting stuff. I'd

35:25

come walk my way. Home via

35:27

Us. And

35:30

it's I mean. to me, it's kind of like. It's

35:32

like due. To the achievements is yeah

35:34

of the seen as is. Written a little.

35:37

I mean literally. I remember I made a

35:39

joke. To my friends that like. Because.

35:41

I have like a bone to pick with some

35:44

earnest porn for a while. Big of a lot

35:46

of seven of porn was always like this. like

35:48

a twenty four lighting and like Central Kisses and

35:50

is hot guy being like hey. How.

35:52

Are you today? He. Doing good. Second

35:55

and on. you and I kept being

35:57

I that flower. Girls Law via

35:59

real. For women, his

36:01

gang bang. Piss. Anal.

36:04

Like it's like. I feel like every time I

36:06

talked to a girl about like what type of

36:08

porn they actually watch are like what turns them

36:11

on. There's always like some level of like. Rough.

36:13

Sex Or just like. Feeling.

36:16

Like empowered because all you guys are

36:18

giving them attention and like really using

36:20

their pussies was. The caveat is that

36:22

are hot and disrespect them like less

36:24

the core of like what. All.

36:26

Girls lot like didn't want to make sure

36:28

the guy respects them and sees them as

36:30

human. yeah after like fucking them really hard

36:32

Williams like. What? Games are yeah

36:34

and also like they're in a safe space

36:36

were like they could. if they need called

36:38

card with you need to pull back on

36:40

know that they can. That's why I love

36:42

doing for Yeah because it's like I'm able

36:44

to really explore my sexuality of such a

36:47

safe space place. I used to do gang

36:49

bang parties and I used to do like

36:51

like site let I used to performance sex

36:53

parties and it's like eater you father for

36:55

Tottenham are you just pray. For. You

36:57

know like a severe the lives that I'm

36:59

alive that as they like my sexual hygiene

37:01

is up here in our now that I

37:03

do porn. yeah like all my first days

37:06

of a lotta guys is bringing them to

37:08

the testing clinics like I'm a lot better

37:10

at communicate my boundaries now and making sure

37:12

all parties are tested and just like generally

37:15

and the realm of expect they'll have like

37:17

respecting me and my body because I noticed

37:19

my job and I kept. Suck it up

37:21

Re Re So I'm you mentioned obviously I

37:24

that you do a lot of personal gain

37:26

things. Like. In. You personally. What's

37:28

the difference in doing one on second one?

37:30

Like. At a party I feel like

37:32

it's. The. Ones. Onset.

37:36

Ah, I'm this whole thing about the aesthetic.

37:38

You know something about opening up on this

37:41

still like a level of like you want

37:43

to stay active whereas like. Real.

37:45

Sex tax breaks. You. Know

37:47

I've had a lot of times where it's like

37:50

I'm like getting fucked by guys and maybe if

37:52

the other guy a sauce instead of like continually

37:54

fluffing himself, he just telling steps off and and

37:56

is comes back when he is ready. Or you

37:58

know, like it's isn't. Going. Sex

38:01

Bonanza for hours and hours. Or it's like

38:03

me will suck to guide and. I'll take a break and

38:05

I'll cuddles and and like some other guy will

38:08

could join in and and like three one for

38:10

more guys my join an ancillary like a less

38:12

rhythm to it and more of just like. Waves

38:15

of pleasure railing and it out

38:17

with the longest machinima ran. I

38:20

had some long days. From. Them

38:22

by it's. So. Nice. I still have

38:24

memorized yes, I'm

38:28

wouldn't a deal number of men for good.

38:31

Now. Did I do and all? I

38:33

feel like. I haven't had in a

38:35

gang ring where I've done a know yet. Moon.

38:39

I would say like. One

38:43

to a. Like.

38:45

Five Five is cool. Okay, like

38:48

I feel like. I.

38:50

Remember like my friend made a joke that like spiegel

38:52

or said something like you know back in my day

38:54

like a real game I was at least eleven does

38:57

too much that's that's a lot. like a lot of

38:59

me it's if you want like the back to look

39:01

like a rap safer when. Are also give it

39:03

back to the way that's cool too. I

39:05

like the Abv yards, but really like. That's.

39:08

More of a train soldiers train for them

39:10

as gang bangs trains is one of cycle

39:12

like one of the time gang bangs or

39:14

all at once the gang bangs it's like

39:16

overwhelming because it's a your hands and your

39:19

mouth are using just as asked by does

39:21

your. Bottom. Homes. Where

39:23

is like a train of kind of easier to?

39:25

Maybe It's like I'm getting spit roasted and then

39:27

all the other guys are just sick in a

39:29

circle. Maastricht. just like jerking off, waiting.

39:32

I finally trains more, but

39:34

trams aren't as cortisol have

39:36

you ever seen those. Scenes.

39:40

And. And. Then they've done them in Europe,

39:42

where the like. Can. Build these

39:44

structures around the girls. So like I

39:46

was a nice song by the girl

39:48

like when I was that would be

39:50

hot as if you like had a

39:52

wall and like. The. Your bought you

39:54

really can doggy in the bottom half as on one side of

39:56

the one the the top half. I'm saying that

39:58

that woman was. that's

40:01

torn through of at. The

40:03

second was get at a dryer. You're stuck

40:05

in a way I feel like I know

40:07

exactly what you're talking about. The one. Of

40:09

like the poster of the girl's face and of

40:11

her legs like that Yeah yeah I want to

40:14

be that yeah or it's it's like and it's

40:16

it's to the guy really wants to do that.

40:18

I really want to see our faces I like

40:20

we are the ones that are like would do.

40:23

I. Want we stuck in the Feds used

40:25

by bugs of possibly have guys nice

40:27

to defend isn't like the idea of

40:29

being used in that way and like

40:31

having your like manatee taken away way.

40:33

I feel like because it we're exploring

40:36

like power dynamics and kings and fetishism

40:38

point it's the taboo ness of at

40:40

all because we're just generally told we're

40:42

not supposed to enjoy it. Yeah yeah

40:44

like I feel like. A

40:46

lot of have warned that I like to

40:48

create explores like these a social my only

40:50

have explored like a certain type of power

40:52

dynamic of like off like. And.

40:55

On this is wrong on United are a

40:57

lot of kings. Time for like you know,

40:59

like the whole none say are like teachers

41:01

are like step mom's or whatever. it's like

41:03

it's roots long. In our

41:05

society yeah but in this like safe

41:07

space of entertainment and I as exists

41:09

in we are able to. Really?

41:12

Delved into these fantasies and enjoy them

41:14

for what they are. Yeah, And eating

41:16

that? That's. Why? Women:

41:18

Are so. Like. The deal.

41:21

Like. The idea of a gang bang,

41:23

but they don't usually. Articulate,

41:25

It or. Immerse.

41:27

Themselves in it because they're not. Supposed

41:29

to. Yeah. Like I feel like a big

41:32

reason. Why? Have been really successful

41:34

is because the oven really unapologetic

41:36

about the fact that I'm just

41:38

a really slutty promiscuous girls and

41:41

there is no like same or

41:43

regret. Afterwards, there's no like. Moment.

41:45

Of clarity that I experienced personally where

41:48

I'm like air. And

41:50

I feel like a lot of girls as

41:52

elite porn especially feel like it's moral a

41:54

double to say like I didn't really like

41:56

that on and to feel and to feel

41:59

I get actually. That Adam power to them

42:01

as it was a maybe it maybe that's

42:03

true on. But.

42:06

Like. So isolated because you as i

42:08

think it will have to touch you know he

42:10

does said adding that the combo two things where

42:13

people are like leading porn and they. Feel.

42:16

The regret what they did. It could

42:18

be one thing right were like maybe they didn't

42:20

want to be doing it when they were doing

42:22

in at the time on that certainly a possibility

42:24

but also to i think it's easier to be.

42:27

Embraced. By back into the folds

42:29

of society? Yeah, Who reject what you've done

42:31

before? I've been trying to get a few

42:33

Hollywood agents and a few of them had

42:35

told me like we wanted to do a

42:37

rebrand Where you kind of say you. Like.

42:40

Don't say how much you like it as my

42:42

Us because. You. Know porn can be a

42:44

dangerous place. Yet. I'm always up with

42:47

what's the difference between this and like

42:49

the music industry entertainer like be applied

42:51

on Sat where the whole did he

42:53

fiasco like all forms of entertainment and

42:55

actually all forms of any industry have

42:57

some type of predatory or like evil

42:59

behind the scenes accent. I'm. Really?

43:02

Was you guys like as the story

43:04

of us not liking it? And the

43:06

truth is I like it. I'm. A.

43:08

Lot of girls are afraid to articulate that

43:11

they enjoy sex in general because. They.

43:13

Fear that once they show that it's

43:15

something they enjoy, that access will be

43:17

taken advantage of and what they're taken

43:19

advantage of, they won't be respected. And

43:21

then there are like. Their

43:23

their feelings. And.

43:25

Society are no longer as valid. You know

43:28

we could see it all the time because

43:30

it's like if a girl like me experiences

43:32

consequences, Auto Flamer is on the internet will

43:34

be like Cs to get. That

43:37

the consequences of your actions? What are your

43:39

kids gonna think What it? What about this?

43:41

What about that? They're like waiting for the

43:43

moment we fall Because and the real world

43:45

that happens to a lot of girls. It's

43:48

like once a belt once they break into

43:50

this fantasy and like actually indulgent enjoyed him

43:52

so the same way men are. You.

43:55

Know they're supposed to be consequences, And that's why

43:57

a lot of girls don't want to articulate that.

44:00

You know a guy can say all day like I want

44:02

to have a threesome with my girlfriend. And as

44:04

reason was almost always assumed to be with a girl. Whereas.

44:07

If I if that same girls like a while the train

44:09

run on me. Then. She gets

44:11

sit at on email so it's like it's

44:13

a it's a dynamic that I feel like

44:15

is more taboo for us. Yeah do fine

44:18

night you know now is a recognizable porn

44:20

star and somebody who on shoot Li admits

44:22

that she enjoys. Sex? Do you? Ever.

44:24

Encounter people who. Try

44:27

to get them to that like assume that

44:29

you're somebody who wants to have sex with

44:31

everybody and therefore them. Because you're of

44:33

one, sir. I've. Got the

44:36

Kazumi groupies for sorts of, but I

44:38

don't feel like these guys wine have

44:40

sex with me. Are.

44:42

Doing it. Because.

44:45

I'm says him as a nerd Israel because

44:47

are generally perverts. I see it but actually

44:49

goes. I've like imperfect World like my whole

44:51

life. Yeah I will say that sometimes there's

44:54

an assumption that I'm always horny so I'm

44:56

always like okay with everything right? and that's

44:58

kind of annoying. Like there's been some times

45:00

like this where I'm upset and like they're

45:02

like time of like a new concept sprung

45:04

up on me that makes it a little

45:07

bit more hardcore and they'll make a joke

45:09

like oh you love that way of you

45:11

know and it's like a yard sale but

45:13

some heads up would he looks or. Lately.

45:16

It's been. Kind of like

45:18

this experience where I'm in mainstream places

45:20

like that when I'm doing tv. Staff

45:23

were like they'll be like Sir Michael

45:25

aggressive like I remember. I was at

45:27

this party with these producers and stuff

45:29

and everyone drinks and I'm sober. I

45:31

don't drink at all. I'm allergic or

45:33

get pregnant and send it as an

45:35

as I'm allergic obregon he just he

45:37

has a suspect and this lady was

45:39

like you know it's crazy that you

45:41

don't have the and blackout. Drunk to do

45:43

what you do. Excuse me. I'm

45:47

It's clear that it's you. Think.

45:51

I have a blackout drunk to have sex like

45:53

sorry, I don't really feel that way whenever I'm

45:55

at work or when I just have sex in

45:57

general. That's a a production of like how you.

46:00

The about that arm or like when I'm

46:02

hanging out with a vanilla friends will say

46:04

something like you know. We really respects

46:06

you. Because I didn't expect you to be so smart

46:08

because using a lot of girls as. You. Know.

46:10

They. Just like had to make this fast easy

46:13

money of as i pause. What?

46:15

About my industry is faster. Easy. You.

46:17

Know especially when we see all the be

46:19

a part of the worst pr in the

46:21

world because every other day like bill posts

46:23

about some girl overdosing or does having an

46:25

issue and it's like what? what's a what's

46:27

so easy about it. You. Know a

46:29

lot of you guys would never. Trade

46:32

places with me because you can't handle the lack

46:34

of respect it comes of it. A lot of

46:36

us have to like he pandering to some to type

46:38

of. Respectability. Politics.

46:41

Even I feel like I have to like dance like

46:43

a monkey so that we I can be the same

46:45

room as you people. But. Where.

46:47

Are the same? Yeah, You know?

46:49

yeah. Amp

46:53

reconciling and and yeah like is speaking

46:56

of a set of my A know

46:58

I like. It's been on

47:00

you porn bucket list for a while now. Right And

47:02

have them and have you done it? Yes, I

47:04

did at the scene of Not Out Yet. I

47:06

don't. I hope it comes out soon. be as

47:08

I want. Everyone in the world to jerk off. To

47:10

it's But I will tell you that I

47:12

had a really hilarious journey. For. Anal.

47:15

Ah, I'm. Doing. At

47:17

a Dominatrix I had a dominatrix

47:19

give me a bunch of animals and

47:21

on the hotel bathroom I sat everywhere

47:24

I was like a city water balloon.

47:26

I told my boyfriend about it he

47:28

was like so weak and anger. Is

47:32

like a how did this dominates you sit like this

47:34

with your friend. it has happened we the i guess

47:36

you the front of you know. When you're right, I'm

47:38

hire someone like a random friend lives on a

47:40

six. I did a higher her arm but

47:42

I was I oh my god I'm paying

47:44

her hourly and I'm not include know what

47:47

the whole at like. I

47:49

think like almost three grand because it took me so

47:51

long the clean out like I just heard you by

47:53

the hour visit you know cleaning the as I was

47:55

like oh my god I should have some like a

47:58

day or a it like I didn't know I. Didn't

48:00

eat clean. I was full. thick head. I

48:02

didn't have any psyllium husk. I didn't do

48:04

any type of preparation. I learned a lot

48:06

about myself. Yeah. I'm. Wine.

48:10

Was. That I don't want to do it alone. So.

48:12

Then I got my job when it clean out

48:14

Italy alone. yeah don't want to do our. So

48:17

I feel like. A very private see I

48:19

told my friends are they really great. Whites

48:22

so I call my by Fred I

48:24

was like hey. Filling. I'm still

48:26

doing this wrong to help me So we had

48:28

an enema party came over he got his and

48:30

of a bag I got my and of a

48:32

bags. And we did it together

48:34

and I felt. Like. I was

48:37

still wrong. like I see such a

48:39

litter. Was distracted because now we're just

48:41

hanging out sitting in front of each

48:43

other. So they, ah, I'm. That.

48:46

Might. Also.

48:49

Like my son was late. Also.

48:52

Helping stretch out by asked to and I'm he

48:54

got like a boner of his or jerking off

48:57

and I was a we lost focus see like

48:59

lost the plot line here. I still wanna do

49:01

anal even so many as you know this is

49:03

for me this is I have a lust for

49:05

learning. ah my next figured I would learn as

49:08

learn how to squirt. So anyone was a script

49:10

and we have a squirt party. Comics.

49:13

Are blurred is still then who's

49:15

and and the next line. I

49:17

got a call on it. And I like.

49:20

Father. So interesting. Have you ever done

49:22

a kilo? Yes! And. The I

49:25

love and hit them with like the most

49:27

uncomfortable forty five minutes of your life be

49:29

for freed up the A they have like

49:31

the little like meditated me the young you

49:33

can watch the like the meteors yeah like

49:35

the bank that's it. That's the best part

49:37

is watching with the pooped well and in

49:39

the personally tells you about like your life

49:41

based on your poop the like know he

49:44

does like astrology when you say. But

49:47

I like walking out of it. I felt like

49:49

I was swollen of water, like I felt like

49:51

I was at little water Baby for a few

49:53

days. Real. Then I got super skinny and

49:55

I live. with that i think it was can

49:57

be legit i love this arm and the next one

50:00

was Tommy King actually. We had an

50:02

enema party. But she didn't do

50:04

it with me. She just watched me do an enema

50:06

in her bathroom. But she was

50:08

coaching me detail by detail, how to do it her

50:11

way. And I feel like she had the best

50:13

foolproof method. Also, I asked her

50:16

about how to do an enema months ago

50:19

and I forgot. And then

50:21

I asked Nicole Doshi, her enema process,

50:23

and she sent me Tommy

50:25

King's copy and paste enema process as

50:27

well. So I guess it's being passed

50:30

around like the Bible or

50:32

like a handbook for all sluts everywhere. It's

50:35

like a generational kind of

50:38

learning. I mean, this is what I love about

50:40

the adult industry is the fact that like girls

50:42

like share anal cleaning out tips with each other.

50:44

I've gotten Joanna Angel's method. I have too. Yeah,

50:47

the guy that I was dating before I met

50:49

my husband who had a huge dick and loved

50:51

to have anal sex. And

50:53

I called Joanna about that Joanna has

50:55

been consulted on many an anal

50:58

task she should she should do a

51:00

workshop. Yeah, she really should actually probably

51:02

has I asked a Jenna Chetchik. Yeah,

51:04

every girl that has alexis

51:06

pay any butthole girl I was in

51:09

there like like I and they all

51:11

surprising were so different. Like

51:13

each girl has like a totally different method

51:15

that works for them. And I was completely

51:18

fascinated. I'm like, Wow. And

51:20

then I did it. Then I did anal. And

51:22

I was like taking DMT like that. Like

51:25

I was like, Oh my god, I'm never

51:27

going to be the same. So you enjoyed

51:29

it. I said that fucking ruled every guy

51:32

I talked to who always was like, let's

51:34

like do anal and I was like, shut

51:36

up was always like, you're gonna

51:38

love anal and I'd always be like, shut

51:40

up. Like, shut

51:42

up. And you did and I did and I loved it. I

51:44

was like, you guys are so right. I it was

51:47

so funny. I saw Mr. Lucky at a party a

51:49

few days ago and I was like, dude, I love

51:51

anal. I said hi, I

51:53

love anal. And he was like, are you

51:56

like hitting on me? And I was like,

51:58

No, I'm just telling you. Okay,

52:01

Why? If I can be as everywhere I saw

52:04

make a d auto I was I do I

52:06

love anal and he was it. Only

52:08

known as tell you I just i

52:10

love it and it may be skinny

52:12

and little sister was. A

52:14

success. Is

52:17

the anal diet. Yiling started

52:19

eating gummy bears and coconut

52:21

water on. I love

52:23

it. So did you find that like

52:25

use should you don't eat before seem.

52:27

To be like he said, everyone's

52:30

different. I did do a day

52:32

where I didn't ever after eating

52:34

and bullshit. I. Can still do

52:36

it. It's just knowing that I'm gonna has of the in

52:38

the bathroom for a lot longer. Like do I want to

52:40

like Suffer for three hours. But. Have

52:42

a fun Cheeseburger Bullet or like do I

52:45

want to suffer for only like half an

52:47

hour by and sadness like it's he just

52:49

the i used to choosing your to destiny

52:51

as what's the best kind of food to

52:53

eat it you can eat for anal. Ah,

52:57

I. Guess like whatever the fuck you want, it's

52:59

just making sure that you have at least

53:01

three hours like in stores to suffer in in

53:03

the back from. It's a very humbling classes

53:05

that are doing it alone. i didn't know that

53:07

other you were you were doing and parties.

53:09

I know when I do it alone and now

53:12

it's like the idea. I just i thought we

53:14

did it with her friends. I don't know.

53:16

like when you fuck. Like. It's

53:18

like at this is a two way streets. I

53:20

will say like now I have no patience for

53:22

fluffing. How dare you come

53:25

into this. Set. With. A

53:27

soft penis after of have suffered in his

53:29

bathroom for three hours. I

53:32

will never tell people to do that thing that

53:34

it do to try Max, but I've always disliked.

53:38

Yeah. Nothing. Okay like

53:40

where's your girl? Was here with her and

53:42

revive for three hours to get rid our

53:44

today? Yeah hi Dario says I did you

53:47

go away with that? Sort that out like.

53:49

Of I see it and are like. There's.

53:51

a good at there's a good slicing

53:53

protocol to like a really good guy

53:55

on settling once is like a sox

53:58

knows to direct the focus elsewhere He

54:00

figures it out a bad guy that's

54:02

inexperienced on set will just continually wait

54:04

for you to get it hard Like

54:06

like sucking your dick or like fucking

54:09

you super stupidly Those

54:11

guys should go to jail They

54:14

should be behind bars because you have like

54:16

wasted all my saliva and pussy juice.

54:18

I hate you Yeah, yeah The worst

54:20

is also too like when they can't

54:22

come and they're just like asking you to

54:24

suck them off and like tickle their balls

54:26

For like an hour. No that like there

54:29

needs to be like a handbook of like dude Just go

54:31

in the bathroom and jerk off. Yeah, like what and then

54:33

like win out and fair. It's coming. It's coming. Yeah Yeah,

54:37

when I've talked to guys about whether

54:39

like, you know Cuz some every guy

54:41

is a bad day and sometimes it's

54:43

just not gonna work and they've all said

54:45

like 20 minutes It's like the cut off like if

54:47

you can't get hard after 20 minutes, like you're just yeah,

54:50

you got you gotta call the scene Yeah, like let them

54:52

bring somebody else in Feel like cuz

54:54

guys don't understand that that's labor for my

54:56

jaw and my pussy like and I only

54:58

have so much liquid even if I Super

55:00

duper hydrate. Yeah, and it's like now That's

55:03

like my thing too. That's like I guess changed

55:06

since I started having porn sex is like in

55:08

real life If your

55:10

dick is not hard. I'm not a fluffer like I like

55:13

if you're like shy about it I'm like

55:15

we just gotta do something else guys like

55:18

yeah. Yeah, that's true Um,

55:21

so I'm gonna ask you a few non

55:23

porn related questions if that's okay.

55:26

It's it's fine Okay, I

55:28

realized that I had you look at those

55:30

questions out there and then I

55:32

don't know if you there were any that You were like

55:35

me. No, they were all fine. They were

55:37

all so normal I thought you were gonna like when it

55:39

said is that okay? I thought you're gonna say something like

55:41

what what happened to you when you were like 19 then

55:44

I would be like I don't know if I want to talk about that here

55:49

No, no, no, this is just my I made a

55:51

note to myself as a segue And

55:54

my segue is now it is no longer

55:56

a segue I'm gonna ask you a

55:58

few non porn related questions if that's Okay,

56:00

yeah, Okay, ah,

56:02

what qualities do you value the most?

56:04

And friends. Open

56:06

mindedness like and that. Doesn't

56:09

necessarily this mean for sex to like? Everything

56:11

about me is super adventurous, like I wanna

56:13

travel, I don't want to read a resort

56:15

and one I like be in a hut

56:18

and I want to eat the local food

56:20

or when I get diarrhea after. I want

56:22

to feel true suffering like a real person

56:24

per year and I'm a bag. Of

56:27

a. Yeah,

56:30

you enter and really immerse yourself in the culture.

56:32

Yeah, I like adventurous evil if you're picky eater.

56:35

Lose. My number. Ah, I'm.

56:38

Yeah. You. It's actually be a mean

56:40

seeing a reality tv you would do a great

56:42

job as a like to zoom he travels the

56:44

world and like. Try. I yelled

56:46

all like. I'm ordained kind of fingers

56:48

crossed putting that idea to reality

56:50

be so place right now. So

56:52

fingers crossed. Not. The

56:55

only more good idea. He. Ah,

56:57

what's the best compliment you've ever gotten? On.

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that I'm still making good money somewhere

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somehow. Ah, I think at

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that point I'd like to have my first kid. I.

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to have a surrogate for the second one my

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hot milky mom. On and I would

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like to live in Europe. as Yeah,

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yeah. So that's

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interesting about having kids. How

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many do you want? Two. Yeah, one

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boy, one girl and they're gonna be the coolest

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kids ever. Yeah, but they are. Yeah, when people

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are like, Oh, like, what are your kids gonna

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think? I'm gonna be like, in the future, everyone's

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gonna do porn. So they're not gonna care. They're

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gonna be woke and your kids will be broke. So

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there. You know,

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what's so interesting is my mom says something like

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that. Back in the 70s, when she was on

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a press tour for her book. She did an

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interview with, I think it was a current affair

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in Australia. And the guy asked her

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and he was like, he said, What,

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you know, what are your kids gonna think? And then he said, What

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are your grandchildren gonna think when they see that

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like, you know, granny was off having

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like a good old time at the

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playway mansion. My mom was never a porn star. But

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she did. Like, my mom loves

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gangbangs. Like, you guys actually like remind

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each other a lot. She was very like, she's

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to call herself like the goddess of love. And

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she would go and she would be very generous

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with her love. And she said she'd go to these sex

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parties and she'd go and have sex like the ugliest guy

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in the room. I was like, you wanted

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to be that kind of person who's like,

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giving to the needy. Yeah. I

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was very charitable pussy. Exactly. Exactly.

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and they did all that stuff. And

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so he asked her this question. And you

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can imagine what doing these kinds of interviews

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were like in the like the mid

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70s. Yeah, like the misogyny. Some

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hater alert. Yeah. Like so much

1:01:29

worse than it is now. And

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she said she goes, when I

1:01:34

have grandchildren, they're it's going to be a different

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time. And they're not going to care like what

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granny. Yeah. You know, when she was young and

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having fun. Yeah. And, you know, I think about

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that. And it's like, so true. Yeah, we're heading

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towards a level of progression where like, it seriously

1:01:47

doesn't matter. Like, I don't think Kim

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Kardashian's kids are like, my

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mom has a sex tape. Yeah, they're

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just like, my mom is Kim Kardashian.

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Yeah, like, I don't care. Yeah. It's

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interesting how it's like on one side or the other. So in

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one end we're in that way and then the other

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end we've got all this crazy legislation trying

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to rule out form. But that happens all the time.

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Yeah, boots, fader. What

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was your favorite subject in school? English. I

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always wanted to be an author. And

1:02:16

then when I felt like people weren't really

1:02:18

reading books anymore, I went into school for

1:02:20

screenwriting. I like telling

1:02:23

stories. I like reading people's stories. I

1:02:25

always say people are the best books. So

1:02:27

that's just something that I want to continually do. I

1:02:30

might make a sub-sack. I don't know. I

1:02:33

want to write more. I wish

1:02:35

that was a medium that more people appreciated

1:02:37

though. But people still do read. Yeah,

1:02:40

but I feel like

1:02:42

the content that people look at right now

1:02:45

is video content. I'm not a

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vlogger. As much as I

1:02:49

try my hardest to be that type of girl,

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I'm just not her. I'm not a streamer. I've

1:02:54

never been a webcam girl. I don't like face-to-face

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camera stuff. I need to bounce off

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of somebody or I want to write it down. Yeah,

1:03:00

I know I'm the same way. And

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I don't like to watch blogs. I

1:03:04

need to read it. You know what I mean? It's funny,

1:03:07

even if I'm doing research for

1:03:09

a podcast and I watch other

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podcasts, I don't actually watch other podcasts. I

1:03:13

read the transcript. Oh, that's cool. I don't

1:03:15

listen. I'm also much faster. They're

1:03:18

also kind of funnier because they're so dry.

1:03:23

Is one lesson your job has taught you that you think everyone

1:03:25

should learn at one point in their life? I

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think nothing's

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on purpose. Do your fucking research.

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I felt like a lot of the times I did

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a scene in my first, especially when

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I was first contracted to Vixen, I just

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sprung, no, no, no, that's a lie. The

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day before I signed into my Vixen contract, I

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spent a whole day of Adriana Checzyk. And

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I just asked her question after question about

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positioning, about what I should eat before a

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scene, about how I should pose, how I

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should suck dick. And I felt

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like that gave me such a huge leg up just asking

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if you could. questions. We're

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in the age of the internet where like so much

1:04:03

information is like readily available like every porn star we

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know has on a podcast talking about

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how to do certain things, how to do

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experiences, how to do your fucking taxes. Like

1:04:12

it's in everyone's best interest to come

1:04:15

at everything and just do your best every

1:04:17

single time and the way you do your

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best every single time is bring applied knowledge.

1:04:21

Yeah very scholarly approach.

1:04:23

Yeah I'm a student. Less for

1:04:25

learning. Speaking

1:04:27

of last question what are three books you

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would recommend to my audience and why? Oh

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specifically to your audience. Three

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books I really like anything by Chuck Polanyak but

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I don't know if I would recommend that

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to your audience. He wrote Fight Club. Yeah

1:04:43

he wrote this cool book called Snuff

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which is about which follows

1:04:47

the story of a chick who is doing

1:04:49

a 300 guy gangbang. This was like following

1:04:52

the trend of like Annabelle Chong and

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like Alexis, who was like the 500 chick? Houston.

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Houston 500 or whatever and so she

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did like a 300 guy gangbang. It's a

1:05:01

fictional book but it follows the perspective of

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the girl, the first guy, the last guy

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and like I think like two guys in

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between. I have no idea that you wrote

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a book like that. It's a cool book

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like it's like so gross and nasty. I

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also just like appreciate his style of

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writing a lot. Man

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I haven't read a lot. I guess that's a

1:05:22

question. I should have said just choose one book. Okay

1:05:25

what about so it was actually three

1:05:28

movies or books so there we've

1:05:30

hit one book what about like

1:05:32

one movie? You know I one

1:05:34

of my favorite books ever one

1:05:36

of the favorite movies ever was Nymphomaniac

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1 and Nymphomaniac 2 so that's two

1:05:41

movies. I just

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liked it. I remember watching that too early

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like in high school and being like

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wait this is sick. That was probably

1:05:50

the wrong like moral to take out of

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the story but I feel like as I've always

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watched like sluts and sex workers and promiscuous women

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on TV I was always drawn to like how

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powerful I felt. They were like take charge

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in a world where it's like, you know, like

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like actively showing that you liked sex was like

1:06:07

Like not cool. Mm-hmm, even though she gets pissed

1:06:09

on and dies in the movie. Oh, no, I

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split I spoiled it But it's a good movie.

1:06:13

I like I like stuff by Lars von Trier

1:06:17

Wow, alright, those are some

1:06:19

very solid recommendations Kazumi,

1:06:22

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1:06:24

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