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it is. You

1:01

have been unashamedly yourself, and I don't

1:03

even like using unashamedly. You have been

1:05

yourself for a long time, and actually

1:08

what happens so often is people start

1:10

to discover their identity later in life,

1:12

right? There are voices that say that

1:14

if you ask kids to sit down

1:16

and talk about their feelings the whole time, you

1:19

just create these snowflake kids and blah,

1:21

blah, blah, blah, which is nonsense. It

1:23

seems to be a dominant rhetoric. I'm actually not

1:26

sure that everyone thinks that, but I think that

1:28

right-wing press has a good way of spreading that

1:30

stuff. And yet, what

1:33

it did for you, for example, is it actually

1:35

just made someone who felt really safe in themselves,

1:37

and was able to go on and do things

1:40

that you would have potentially, we

1:43

don't know, stifled and

1:45

would have come out in other ways. And what about the

1:47

other kids who were there? Are you still in touch with

1:49

any of them? I am, and one of my good friends,

1:51

she's now an actor. Her name is

1:54

Gideon Adlard, she just touched on it in London today, so I'm very

1:56

excited to see her. I've been a very

1:58

artistic group of kids. because if I

2:01

talk to any of them now, you know, they're

2:03

singer-songwriters, they're actors, they're painters, there's very few people

2:05

that I know that went into finance. And I

2:07

think the important point to point out here is

2:09

a lot of them are being quite successful. I

2:12

mean, everyone has their own definition of what success

2:14

is, but in their field. And I think that's

2:16

what's so important, especially in a country like the

2:18

UK, which I love so much, but at the

2:20

same time, we don't put enough attention or love

2:23

or money into the arts. And I think this

2:25

shows that basically an art school that was about

2:27

talking about your feelings and emotions, it gave

2:30

way to a bunch of 20-something-year-olds that

2:32

are very successful in the artistic fields

2:34

and are living across the world. So

2:36

we should do more of that. We

2:38

should do more because it creates self-belief,

2:40

right? And that can be down to

2:42

your sexuality and your identity, but can

2:44

also just be down to like, I'm

2:46

a kid drawing polka dot pussy bows

2:48

and every rapper I know is wearing

2:50

hoodies. And people are like, how

2:53

are you ever gonna address anyone? Because I remember that was

2:55

slightly a context of a conversation about someone saying to you,

2:57

why are you doing that? If everyone just

2:59

copies each other, we're never gonna have creativity, right? And

3:03

it requires messianic

3:05

self-belief, unfortunately, just

3:07

to do something that you

3:09

kind of weirdly believe in, but

3:12

it's very hard to get other people on board. Well,

3:14

I think there's a safety thing as well. I think

3:16

when I first moved to London, and I was just

3:18

taking the tube and bus every single day, and I

3:20

remember like, there was on a day that went by

3:22

that I wasn't hearing Saget or Freak or What the

3:24

Fuck, or people taking the piss. I used to live

3:26

in Sinsbury Park for quite a while. I remember one

3:28

or two times like running through that little kind of

3:30

tube path that feels like it's never ending and being

3:33

like, holy shit, I'm gonna get beaten up. And I

3:35

think now I'm in a place where I still take

3:37

public transit, I fucking love that about London, but you

3:39

know, I am in a cab a bit more often,

3:41

I'm in a car a bit more often, and I

3:43

feel so safe. I'm constantly aware that even today

3:46

I was wearing head to tochita with a giant

3:48

purse and massive sunglasses and blown out hair and

3:50

I'm dripping in like all these vintage random jewelry,

3:52

and I feel very safe to present myself in

3:54

this way, but I'm also aware that like I

3:57

got to take a black cab here in the

3:59

morning. It's also a thing where I

4:01

think there's safety comes into a massive part of

4:03

it as well. I think people sometimes are nervous

4:06

and scared to even play with the idea

4:08

of what their biggest dreams are. I'm

4:10

not saying that what you look like, it means that

4:12

that's your dream. But if let's say you want to

4:14

be a singer, usually there's a persona that comes with

4:16

that or you want to be a designer, there's a

4:18

persona that comes with that. You want to be an

4:20

artist, there's a way of representing yourself that comes alongside

4:23

usually that artistic passion that you have where obviously you're

4:25

just wearing a suit and wanting to go... I

4:27

say gets by girls are fine, it's like wearing

4:30

a suit and following that norm or wearing the tracksuit or

4:32

this or that or the other and kind of doing the

4:34

norm is obviously just so much safer.

4:36

And when you don't have the privileges of having

4:38

the protection of a good friend group or like

4:40

literally a steel thing built around you, which is

4:42

like a car to feel like you're not going

4:44

to get gay bash. It's also a thing that

4:46

I constantly kind of have in my DMs and

4:49

I'm late night chatting with people about them coming

4:51

out later in life or early in life or

4:53

not feeling safe or feeling like I feel like

4:55

I might be fluid or I might be trans

4:57

but I don't feel safe to put a skirt

4:59

on it for my parents. All these kinds of

5:01

like safe space conversations, which for me has always

5:03

been my thought process as I build a company

5:05

and like how can I help in creating safe

5:07

spaces? Like I create these garments that hopefully almost,

5:09

that's why there are a lot of cages, even

5:11

the thing I did for Harry Salas American Vogue,

5:14

I got with a massive cage, cages and big

5:16

hats. There's almost these things that you kind of

5:18

like can set you inside of. It's like literally

5:20

putting you into like this safe space where the

5:22

boots are all 22 centimeters.

5:25

So you're, you know, I always wear high shoes.

5:27

I feel like I'm always about being present

5:29

but also being at a safe distance. We

5:31

were talking about Eddie Izzard and Julian Clary

5:34

and how people are

5:37

cool with Julian Clary

5:39

because he's wearing a pink

5:42

PVC sock basically and

5:45

he's on TV and

5:47

that is theatre

5:50

and it's not everyday life. And

5:53

the risk of being a person

5:56

putting that on and

5:58

just going to the supermarket is very,

6:00

very different. And that

6:02

is undeniable. And when Travis

6:04

Alabanza came on this podcast, they were saying,

6:07

I am aware that as I get older,

6:09

and if I were to have kids, I

6:12

will recede away from my trans non-binaryness because

6:14

it's just going to be easier at the

6:16

school gates. And I will fade into the

6:18

background. And that is because it's about safety.

6:21

So I

6:24

think about, you know, I think

6:26

it is really relevant. But then I also think

6:28

about the idea that, say,

6:30

my dad was a fashion photographer,

6:32

a very open hearted, open minded

6:35

guy, completely, completely. But when I

6:37

told him I was having kids with my husband,

6:39

he was like, what, like Elton

6:41

John? And I was like,

6:44

no, like people. Like

6:46

you're like, like husbands do. Yeah. But

6:50

there is something really useful about the mainstreaming

6:52

of things that are totally normal, but they're

6:54

considered to be on the margins. And I

6:56

think if you've seen Harry Styles in a

6:58

dress on the cover of Vogue, it

7:01

does create little bits of language,

7:03

right, to start discussions. And

7:05

I know that people always go, but so and

7:08

so was wearing a dress since doctor.

7:10

We know, but culture

7:12

is about the present moment and who's doing

7:14

it now, right? And it's super useful. And

7:17

you talk about this in the book, you

7:19

know, about the history of queer language and

7:21

all of that. But do you feel like

7:23

you're contributing in a way as well that

7:25

that is that is helpful to have someone

7:27

like Harry expressing himself in that way? I

7:30

think anytime to your point that people are

7:32

having a conversation, I feel like I'm doing

7:34

my job right. And I think lately, within

7:36

anything, whether it's little Nas X with his

7:38

chest out on the things like the MTV

7:40

Music Awards we did as a massive crinoline

7:42

skirt or whether it was Harry Styles or

7:44

whether it's Troye Sivan or, you know, whoever

7:47

were working in a way that we're pushing

7:49

the gender binary, let's say, whether people have

7:51

having hate speech or whether it's praise. I

7:53

think it's always amazing because I've always had

7:55

that since a very young kid. And maybe

7:57

it's something that I just had to tell

7:59

myself, I really believe it, but if

8:01

I'm walking down the street and some bloke looks

8:03

at me and excuse me again but says the

8:05

word faggot to me, I know in my head,

8:07

and I've always told myself it doesn't matter because

8:10

he is clearly opening a dialogue within himself because

8:12

he's just seen something, had such a visual reaction

8:14

to it. We're all in our heads 24-7. He

8:16

must lie in bed at night and be like, why

8:19

did I have such a thing? But even so subconscious,

8:21

I do think it starts a narrative and it does

8:23

start a conversation. So to your point, and

8:25

something I always try to talk about is like I didn't

8:27

invent fluidity. I'm not the beacon or the face or anything

8:29

like this. Look at the

8:31

long list of hundreds and hundreds of years

8:33

of people, whether they were knowingly or unknowingly

8:36

pushing for a more fluid future, but I'm

8:38

someone now that has a following that is

8:40

making quote-unquote over-the-talk pieces, working with people that

8:42

are very prevalent in the mainstream. And I

8:44

feel like then there's this conversation that gets

8:47

to keep erupting, which I think is important

8:49

around what men should quote-unquote wear, what women

8:51

should quote-unquote wear, what is non-binary, what is

8:53

fluid. So I feel like I'm hopefully

8:55

contributing. I mean, it's fucking help-sell. That's the

8:58

whole reason I built this company. Like I'm

9:00

just really not bothered about it. I'm

9:02

pleased to report you are. But also actually

9:05

in a way, something that's just occurred to

9:07

me. So we first saw the world

9:09

in a huge, huge context, first saw your

9:11

clothes on you on Instagram.

9:14

You are a gender-fluid person. Actually

9:17

you didn't ask for Harry

9:20

Styles to wear them. You know, like

9:22

that wasn't in your plan. Harry Styles

9:24

put them on. You

9:27

didn't put them in a shop under gender-fluid.

9:30

You know what I mean? You know,

9:32

I just did me. I literally made clothes. I

9:34

mean, I think for that context for people, like

9:37

I had, I don't know, 1,500 Instagram followers

9:41

or 2,000 Instagram followers. I remember just literally

9:43

being like, I am a queer, non-binary person

9:45

and I don't see anything in any shop

9:47

from at the time top shop to, I

9:49

mean, I couldn't afford Chanel. I don't know

9:51

what Chanel. That was doing any kind of

9:53

clothing that represented my gender or who I

9:55

was. And that's when I just started making

9:57

and it became very Studio 54 sound. 70s,

10:00

you know, romantic, what I'm known for now, the placebo and the

10:02

flares. But I was just making myself close

10:04

because there was nothing else there that felt like it

10:06

worked for me. And then from that point, people were

10:08

just screenshotting those harmless Instagram pictures and was like, I

10:10

want this for this client. The VIP was like, I

10:12

want to look like that. I want that, you know,

10:15

that's also why I feel like the business has

10:17

grown in a space that I never, to your

10:19

point, had like a massive sign that was like

10:21

gender fluid clothing here. This is what this is.

10:24

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10:26

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12:00

how you're feeling now and you make a

12:02

really lovely distinction between non-binary and gender fluidity

12:04

that you feel is right for you. Just

12:07

tell me more about that. Just question. So I

12:09

think for me what I love about fluid is

12:12

the fact that I mean again, it is fluid.

12:14

It's ever changing, ever moving. I think again, three

12:16

years ago, I was always saying I'm non-binary, you

12:18

know, I went by strictly they then pronouns. I

12:21

did not feel male or female. I felt that

12:23

gender was fluid and that's where I stayed. As

12:26

I went on my own journey, I also thank

12:28

God for therapy and got a really incredible therapist

12:30

that I also worked hand in hand with

12:32

because obviously when you start a company and

12:35

even accidentally based around your identity, it

12:37

fucks with your head because I started

12:39

believing that I was this six

12:41

foot, let's say seven foot tall with the

12:43

platforms and red hair and makeup and slender

12:46

physique and that it was

12:48

who I was and I quickly realized that isn't

12:50

like that is actually not what fluidity is. Fluidity

12:52

is changing. Like I can still be fluid, but

12:54

I can be wearing baggy jeans and fucked up

12:56

trainers and a t-shirt and have my hair in

12:58

a bun and look like

13:01

stripped back and that's still that. So I had

13:03

a lot of therapy. I'm just giving that context.

13:05

Also as I was growing a brand that was

13:07

rapidly growing and rapidly having a demand, I also

13:09

had to figure out what fluid actually fucking meant

13:12

to myself. And so I think kind of coming

13:14

into now, you know, 20, 24, which is crazy

13:16

when 20, 24 fluid

13:18

looks a lot different to me because I still

13:20

identify as fluid, but my pronouns go by he,

13:22

him and they, them. Some of my friends even

13:24

call me she, her. I for me think that

13:26

my fluidity is the fact that I don't feel

13:28

like I stick into any specific gender and that

13:30

is fluid and that is acceptable.

13:32

And so for me, it's also

13:35

something that was actually I wasn't going to say this,

13:37

but I even had a lot of exact like a

13:39

lot of really bad anxiety and a lot of therapy

13:41

sessions when I was going to reintroduce the fact that

13:43

I wanted to maybe go by he, him sometimes because

13:45

I felt that I became in a way accidentally a

13:48

bit of a poster child for the fluid community because

13:50

every article is like they, them, Harris, and like, you

13:52

know, I was like, am I going to get a

13:54

fucking ton of sorry, I didn't realize I swear so

13:56

much on it, but I'm guessing I'm passionate, but I

13:59

was like am I gonna get

14:01

backlash or people gonna call me out and be like,

14:03

that's not actually fluid of you. And I kept trying

14:05

to kind of separate a little bit non-binary

14:08

and fluidity because I think that they do go hand in

14:10

hand, but I think that they are also their own entities.

14:12

And that's how I've always looked at it for myself because

14:14

I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna wake up

14:17

one day and you know, I've just got married two months

14:19

ago and we know we're talking about children in the future.

14:21

Like, I don't know, you know, I like how the word

14:23

mommy sounds and that's something that actually I might want my

14:25

kids to say. And I've always even told my now husband

14:27

from the beginning, like, I don't know if in the future

14:30

that I might want to be a woman, I might want

14:32

to be a man. It doesn't matter because it's fluid and

14:34

he's always been so on board with that. And this is

14:36

why, you know, I don't understand whether there's ever a

14:38

bloody conversation around the fact that, oh, there's two

14:40

genders because that is absolute bullshit. We are all

14:43

on this spectrum. I don't get how people can

14:45

be so fictional. So why does anyone give a

14:47

shit? Like, why does anyone care? Totally. And I

14:49

get it because obviously everyone has to put something

14:51

in a box. Everyone has to put someone in

14:53

a lane. You have to put someone in their

14:55

place that is how society is built, whether you're

14:57

rich or poor, whether you are better or less

14:59

better. People have to be able to decipher those

15:01

things by putting you in a bracket. And gender

15:03

isn't part of it. Some of you put into

15:05

a bracket. But it comes with so much baggage.

15:08

Like, that's the thing that I reject

15:10

about. I just reject all the baggage

15:12

it comes with. I love masculinity. I

15:14

love femininity. I love all those things.

15:17

But that guy who's shouting faggot at someone

15:19

along the street is because, that's not his

15:21

fault. It's because he has

15:23

been educated in

15:26

this way of all the stuff that

15:29

comes with it that

15:32

is really toxic. And so

15:35

for that reason, I feel like I just reject

15:37

it all. I don't know what that means, but

15:39

I'm just like, everyone is everyone. And

15:41

it's an energy. But I always try and describe it

15:43

to my friends. And I don't know if this

15:45

is a very good description. But I

15:47

always found gender confusing. When I remember

15:49

being someone being behind me in a

15:51

shop and someone going, oh, let the

15:53

man pass. I was probably like 15.

15:56

They were like, oh, let the man pass. And I was like, how do they know

15:58

I'm a man? Like, I didn't understand. It

16:00

just felt this weird

16:02

nebulous thing that I think

16:04

a lot of people don't have that. They

16:06

just accept it. But if you find it

16:09

strange, it kind of

16:11

is everywhere and everything and you feel it and

16:13

you see it in everything you look at, right?

16:15

It takes time also to not see gender. It's

16:17

not not see gender but not be affected by

16:20

it. I mean, even like past examples, me and

16:22

my husband now that I live between Paris and

16:24

London do a lot of projects. We set a

16:26

date night aside every, let's say Tuesday night, it's

16:28

usually what we do. We go out to dinner

16:30

and they'll give me the menu first and they're

16:32

like, Madam or like Ma'am and then they give

16:35

him a second. It depends on the place. I'm

16:37

not trying to be called a woman but it

16:39

also doesn't bother me. But it's taken, even imagine

16:41

me going on dates as a young queer person.

16:43

I had anxiety going to the date because I

16:46

was like, I'm going to be going out with

16:48

a guy and I maybe didn't fully explain my

16:50

outlook on my gender or anything

16:52

and then we'll sit at a restaurant and they'll say Ma'am and then

16:54

they'll kind of look at me and then I'll go back, oh, doesn't

16:56

that bother you? Is that weird? And that it

16:58

just starts this whole conversation where like it's taken a

17:01

lot of therapy, good friends writing a book to be

17:03

at a place where I don't fucking care and it

17:05

shouldn't matter. And I think this is also something that

17:07

I have a lot of conversations with a lot of

17:09

my trans friends and non-binary

17:12

friends and just even more, I hate

17:14

the word more, what is more feminine gay friends mean? But when

17:16

they are misgendered, I have some

17:18

friends that have very strong views that you immediately

17:20

correct that person and almost call them out. I

17:22

disagree more with this because sometimes for me, I'm

17:24

like, yeah, but this poor person is working in

17:27

nine to five. They're literally in hospitality. I used

17:29

to work at All Saints on the shopping floor

17:31

when I was 18 and I was like, I'm

17:33

not going to embarrass this person and call them

17:35

out. Like, you know, I've always had a thing

17:37

that if I'm in a business meeting or if

17:39

I'm working with someone in a long-term project, I

17:41

find it a safe space to be able to

17:43

speak about my gender or my pronouns, but in a restaurant

17:46

does not become the place where I need to make someone

17:48

feel bad. But it does take quite

17:50

a while for me also to not let it affect

17:52

me too much and also not for the which always

17:54

happens later. And my voice, I know is very high

17:56

pitched, but when I start talking, they'll be like, oh,

17:59

shit, sorry, sir. And I'm like, it's cool, it's

18:01

chill. And then like once or twice in the manager's come over,

18:03

like, oh, we're so sorry about that. And like, it's the thing

18:05

where I'm like, no, it's cool. And I guess I get to

18:07

be in a privileged place to say,

18:09

it's cool because again, good friends, good support system,

18:11

good therapy. I know some people being misgendered is a

18:13

really horrible thing and that I 100% understand

18:16

and respect, but I also think it's about why like

18:18

fluidity is kind of finding your fluidity,

18:21

your thresholds and limits

18:23

inversion. Yeah, exactly. Your version and

18:26

people don't mean harm often, and

18:29

compassion and patience are really useful

18:31

things in that space. But

18:33

like you say as well, like being misgendered is

18:35

completely different and not cool. I

18:38

think as queer people, we have a bit

18:40

of a responsibility to also push the

18:42

conversation forward in a positive way. I didn't wanna

18:44

call someone out and make them feel bad because

18:46

I wanna have it be more of a calm,

18:48

open dialogue. Even with this book, I'm not a

18:50

lock, who's an incredibly talented writer and a good

18:52

friend of mine. And they are so

18:55

much, like the way that they speak, I did a panel with

18:57

them at BOS, I've

19:00

never felt like I've found it more stupid because

19:02

they speak so eloquently and they have everything so

19:04

clear. But what I realized my purpose in this

19:06

space of fluidity and educating people is the fact

19:08

that I'm a stepping stone, hopefully into a deeper

19:10

conversation. Like this book right here, I, you know,

19:12

originally when I started it, I had had the

19:15

word fuck, like bitch, I was much more like,

19:17

this is my book for my gays and the

19:19

gays and you know, and ha ha ha. And

19:21

then when I talked to the publisher, they're like,

19:23

yeah, but what's the actual goal with this? And

19:25

I was like, well, I wanna be in every

19:27

hand with kids out there and I want them

19:29

to feel like they can have this as a

19:31

stepping stone, the book that when I was nine,

19:33

I maybe saw on my grandparents or my aunt

19:35

or my conservative uncle's shelf and grabbed off and

19:37

had a little flick through. And was like, oh,

19:39

whoa, look at this person that, you know, I

19:41

can see a bit of myself potentially in, whether

19:43

it's what I'm doing with my career or my

19:45

gender. And it kind of opened up a deeper

19:47

dive because that's not, I'm not a writer. I'm

19:50

a fashion designer and my medium is closed, but

19:52

I still am a queer activist in that space.

19:54

And so I wanted to also find

19:56

that kind of beautiful line of letting

19:58

this book sit in. in the granddad's

20:00

flat in the Midlands and it's not

20:03

like this shocking book that's like, you

20:05

know, fluid now, let's fucking deep dive

20:07

into this and kind of

20:09

alienate people but sometimes be a bit

20:11

too, you know what

20:14

I'm saying? Yeah, well you catch more bees

20:16

with honey than vinegar and I don't mean

20:18

that in an apology. We shouldn't, no one

20:21

should be apologizing for anything. No,

20:23

no apologizing. No, no, no, never, no,

20:25

never. But it's grace and elegance and

20:27

all those things that bring people in

20:29

and, you know, help

20:33

people understand and compassion

20:35

and all of those things are amazing and Alok

20:37

is amazing at that. I always love that thing

20:39

they do when people write. I think they share

20:41

it quite a lot on their Instagram but like

20:44

there's this person who like did this really

20:46

aggressive troll on Alok's Instagram. I'm not even

20:48

going to say the words but, you know,

20:50

like it was really mean and

20:52

Alok just wrote this comment underneath saying, hey

20:54

friend, are you okay? And it's like a

20:56

couple of paragraphs long and it's like, I'm

20:59

living my life and I'm really happy. I'm

21:01

sensing you're not because you're getting up in

21:04

my face about what I'm doing. Is

21:06

everything okay? And it's not, I'm making that sound

21:09

passive aggressive and actually it's not, it's just really

21:11

compassionate. No, it's so compassionate and also

21:13

the way that for me like Alok is able to

21:16

just, like the

21:18

word is not not react, we're not trying to

21:20

tell people to not react but just to go

21:22

to a place of so much compassion and love

21:24

and be like, I'm doing really good. Like what's

21:26

going on with you? Like let's talk, like I

21:28

think that, you know, as someone I can speak

21:31

to you and be like, yeah, of course I'm

21:33

very calm. But you also reminded me of David

21:35

Hockney, you know, like I think about like my

21:37

first entrance to queerness was David

21:39

Hockney imagery, you know, it was

21:41

incredible painting. It was very mainstream for want of

21:44

a better description. It was just because people loved

21:46

it. It has nothing to do with what he

21:48

was doing. Hockney Houston, I want

21:50

to dance to somebody video. Old

21:52

movies my mum was watching on a Sunday

21:54

with glamorous people, Diamonds and things.

21:56

But you know, like it's a gateway.

21:58

It wasn't, I didn't. they'd at that

22:01

age. Took. Me to begin my

22:03

own journey of discovery. Both had perhaps acceptance

22:05

of difference. I. Didn't need a raging

22:07

tome about fuck the world and I'm

22:09

not say they don't. They. Are

22:11

necessary. Not great, but even I think

22:13

about the transcend issue. Some.

22:16

Say sitting behind me some

22:18

facebook. That. Is a very,

22:20

very com dissembling of

22:22

why? We. Are where we are and

22:24

I think. That. The more. We.

22:27

Can remember that I think the more change

22:29

we can make actually a big into a

22:31

twenty four the amount of incredible individuals before

22:33

me that let's see to side and I'll

22:35

be seen as stonewalled be in the streets

22:37

actually make that change. Also find that constantly

22:39

put some way in a good well my

22:41

shoulders to have an ad com ela quince

22:43

and and pet eggs in there were elegant

22:45

a good way your elegant from of this

22:47

was summoned to educate them and not. Dislike

22:49

not fuck you and just be like I'm in a

22:52

kind of go a treat to a safe space but

22:54

actually like know this is my space that I need

22:56

to have a com conversation be able to and of

22:58

educate someone reading magazines like ask questions and not the

23:00

offended by the questions and like this fluid then they

23:03

get like a kind of us more like a filthy

23:05

sex question and you're like okay that actually has nothing

23:07

to do with the of but neither takes a lot

23:09

of time and it takes a lot of yes and

23:11

set it. It's also not that you should have to

23:14

answer that question it if you don't want to but

23:16

the reason people asking you that question is because we

23:18

do not equipped people elsewhere. It's not. Mentioned in

23:20

school and luckily it was a yours but

23:22

we robbed. People have the opportunity to understand

23:25

the spectrum and therefore whether their questions go

23:27

and all of that is all of those

23:29

things, isn't it? Now. Paris

23:31

we have to finish. This has been

23:33

such a beautiful conversation. Thank you so

23:35

much things you let me ask you.

23:38

What's. Next for you today. And

23:40

what's next for the future I'm I'm

23:42

gonna go to do a Mike Sackett

23:44

the Dna which is where were doing

23:46

a soggy this months of my book

23:48

tonight. So Shallots insiders victim of abuse

23:51

them within. lovely Kenya hunts and. Then.

23:53

For the seats are Adidas keep the things my

23:55

God that becomes a keyword and everything that I

23:57

do because it's and God God God. Whether I'm

23:59

in pain, good erecting a during, think I'm bigger

24:02

projects working with think I'm bigger people at Dickens.

24:04

A. Matter of the so many voices and to

24:06

system to the one that's right inside. I

24:14

just thoroughly enjoyed every last

24:16

little moment. To thank you

24:19

Harris for taking the time

24:21

working away in he's telling

24:23

the corner. Very inspiring! Necessarily

24:26

he thought hello have a second

24:28

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24:30

on Instagram were on six August.

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