“As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don’t know we don’t know.” Donald Rumsfeld (not Rush Limbaugh)

Corner Gas Ending Theme “I don’t know the same things you don’t know”

The Johari Window Method

“Do white people dominate the outdoors” a letter from MEC

“Portrait of a Lady With a Lap Dog” Rembrandt Van Rijn, c 1665, installed in Gallery 121 at the AGO

The Black Apple

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Thanks for listening to Hopping the Fence a podcast dedicated to the fringes of the Canadian art scene.

If you have an artist you would like to hear interviewed, would like to correct / fact check a past episode or would like to chat feel free to send me a message on Instagram @hoppingthefence or by email [email protected]

Thanks to OCAD University for their financial support, my project supervisor Amish Morrell for his advice and guidance and Claudia Slogar Rick for all of her extra help. Original artwork for Hopping the Fence by Alex Gregory and original music by Jessica Price Eisner.

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