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Welcome back to Game

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of Thrones 2 Electric.

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Boogaloo of your stanfany. Season

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15 of Boogaloo begins with

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Arya's farewell to Jack and

0:31

Hagar. Lots of Jack and

0:33

Hagar talk. You can probably hear in

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my voice that I'm getting over something

0:37

gunky. However, my conversation with Padraig was

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recorded before I was sick. So

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you don't have to hear this voice for

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the next hour. Scheduling going

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forward, I have decided that in

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order to continue the marathon of

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a chapter by chapter reread. I'm

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here is Professor Padraig

1:26

McCarren. This

1:29

Arya chapter, I felt

1:31

like could have been three different chapters.

1:34

A lot happens. Yeah,

1:37

especially compared to the previous one or two,

1:39

which were quite short and you know, often

1:41

like just a given night or two

1:43

days in Harrenhal. And then here

1:45

suddenly a massive amount

1:47

happens just between from where it starts. Just

1:50

an aftermath of Wees' death to like

1:53

ending with basically Harrenhal completely overshrown. Yeah,

1:55

absolutely. I mean, so I

1:57

don't know if. Like

2:01

sometimes I wonder about these pacing issues.

2:03

I wonder if it's like, okay, well,

2:05

we've we've kind of run through

2:07

the Heron Hall machinations.

2:10

He spent a lot of time up until this

2:12

point in this book detailing

2:15

all the various power dynamics

2:18

in Heron Hall. And then

2:20

it kind of feels like all of a sudden it's

2:22

just the thing totally flips. But

2:26

I guess that's kind of, that is one

2:28

of the problems with Heron Hall. It's constantly

2:31

flipping ownership from one

2:33

person to the next. And this

2:36

is Lace in Arias. This is

2:38

like her second last chapter as well, isn't it? He does

2:40

like to do this word of like their

2:42

second last or last chapter. An immense

2:46

amount happens. And

2:48

then like even towards the letter, the last

2:50

maybe quarter of a book, you get like an immense

2:52

amount happening. And then you get like sort of one

2:54

or two chapters kind of winding down. Yeah,

2:57

that's right. And I feel like we are

3:00

building to the climax of this

3:02

particular book. And

3:05

relating to interesting ways to take

3:07

a castle, right? You know, we

3:10

sort of have these two castles

3:12

taken by treachery, Winterfell,

3:14

and... Heron

3:17

Hall. And

3:19

then we are going to

3:22

eventually experience the

3:24

seizure of King's Landing, which

3:27

retains its ownership because Stannis

3:29

is going to just try

3:31

to go

3:33

head on and go over the wall. He's not going

3:36

to use treachery. But

3:39

he did use treachery to take Storm's

3:41

End. He's

3:43

not above treachery. He's not above

3:46

it for sure. Yeah. All

3:48

right. So I guess what's the

3:51

point? The point is that if you want

3:53

to take a castle in this world, your

3:57

go-to move should be treachery. Well,

4:00

because if you try to take it head on,

4:03

you probably won't take it. But

4:05

Harrenhaler and Winterfell are extremely poorly

4:07

defended, right? So like, Arya

4:10

makes the point in this chapter that from the thousands

4:12

of men who were in Harrenhaler, now there's only about

4:14

100. And so no

4:16

geeky sleepers are asking anything. And same with Winterfell, like

4:18

everyone's gone. And then not only is everyone gone, there's

4:21

a couple of people still there. And then they go

4:23

out to deal with, to deal

4:27

with another problem. And that's when everyone's

4:29

taken, is taken from them. Whereas in

4:31

King's Landing, everyone is still within us. That's

4:35

right. But, you know, it's

4:38

interesting because that's the one where you would

4:40

think that there would be treachery because everyone

4:42

inside that castle is starving. And

4:45

so that's, that is what Tyrion

4:47

is concerned about. And yet,

4:50

you know, here we have Stannis who's decided to

4:52

go right over the top of the wall. Okay,

4:56

let me read, let

4:59

me read my synopsis, which

5:01

is going to be rather lengthy. After

5:07

a brief visit with Hot Pie, Arya

5:09

sneaks out into the night to spy

5:11

the return of Vargo Hote and his

5:13

brave companions. In his

5:15

train, he's brought supplies. He a

5:17

hundred Northmen as prisoners and

5:20

a black bear in a cage. Arya

5:22

recognizes the hostages and pleads with Gendry

5:25

to help her set them free. Gendry

5:29

refuses. Reflecting on

5:31

her newfound courage, Arya departs for the gods'

5:33

wood to practice her swordplay. Walking

5:36

to the heart tree, her prayers

5:38

to the god turn to complaint. Jaqen

5:41

appears and tells her to

5:43

name her third name and takes an

5:45

oath to prove his honesty. She

5:47

whispers the name Jaqen H'ghar.

5:51

And tricks him into helping her with her plan

5:53

to free the Northmen. Once

5:55

the Northmen are free, Arya takes

5:58

back the name and agrees with the The

6:00

debt has been paid. Jackon then magically

6:02

changes his face and hair. They

6:05

part ways, but he gives her an iron

6:07

coin and teaches her the phrase, Valar

6:09

Magoulis. The

6:11

next day, Ruz Bolton arrives to

6:14

take Harrenhal and

6:16

makes her his cup bearer. Padraic,

6:20

what do you want to talk about first? We

6:22

could go a million directions. I

6:25

mean, I still mainly want to talk about Jackon Agar again.

6:28

But before I do that, let's just

6:30

talk about frustration and how frustrating Arya

6:32

chapters are. Okay,

6:34

tell me more. So I

6:38

mean, I think a lot of people I know who

6:40

are into the series are also big Arya fans and

6:42

both of us are fairly fast Arya

6:44

fans. And her story

6:46

just is quite frustrating. She's very

6:48

rarely sort of liberated to do

6:51

her own thing. She's constantly, well,

6:54

not necessarily captured, but in this book, she's

6:56

captured a lot and sort of

6:58

can't do very much. So like from

7:01

the beginning of this book, she's with

7:03

Yaren and things are okay. Then they're

7:05

captured by Emery Lorch and the

7:07

mountain men and then Harrenhal and

7:09

then things just never go well

7:11

for her. In the next book,

7:13

then she, you know, they're free

7:15

again briefly, then they end up

7:18

with the Brotherhood of

7:20

the Banners and then eventually

7:23

with the Hound. And

7:25

every time you've all these hopes for what's

7:27

going to happen, you hope, okay, she's in

7:29

the riverlands, she's going to meet Nymeria again,

7:31

and this doesn't happen. And then you

7:33

think, okay, she's going to meet one of her family and

7:35

then even the Hound brings her to Riverrun, and

7:38

her river runs to twins and you're like,

7:40

oh, finally. And then she's abigate,

7:43

right? So it never goes

7:45

where you want it to. And then in

7:47

the midst of all this, in this book,

7:49

she gets an all powerful

7:52

murder genie who can kill any

7:54

three people and she

7:56

wastes all of her three wishes. useless.

8:00

And the last one where she thinks she's

8:02

tricking the genie and being massively

8:04

clever and helping the Northmen take Arnaud,

8:07

well, actually it didn't matter because Vergohold

8:09

had already agreed to respond to do

8:11

this. Yeah. He set it

8:13

up slightly. So it's very frustrating

8:15

that often when she

8:17

has access to something, it doesn't get used

8:20

in a way that's... No, it can't. She

8:22

learns a lot. Yeah, I was

8:24

going to say that sometimes

8:27

it's frustrating because she

8:30

is somewhat powerless. She's

8:32

sort of a powerless character. But

8:35

whenever she sort of gets to the point

8:37

where she might have

8:39

an avenue toward power, it's

8:42

almost immediately taken away from her. So

8:44

she might have the power of a

8:46

Stark because of social class, but then

8:48

her father's taken away. Or she... He

8:53

assigns to her the greatest

8:55

swordsman and all of Braavos

8:57

to train her, but then

8:59

Sireo is taken away. She

9:01

could be a warg, right? She

9:03

could have magical powers through Numeria,

9:05

but then Numeria is taken away.

9:08

And here she's like, she has the death

9:10

genie. She is a warg. What's that? She

9:13

is a warg, though, right? Well, she is.

9:15

Right, right. But she can't

9:18

use that power to get her out of

9:20

any of these binds

9:23

because she has to send her

9:25

wolf away. Right? And

9:29

in this case, yeah, she's got the death genie, but

9:32

it's almost like as soon as she has the death

9:34

genie, the death

9:36

genie's gone. And so

9:39

now here she is, and she says, for

9:43

a while she was a wolf, but now she's the mouse

9:45

again. So,

9:48

yeah, she's always just about to

9:50

touch either a key

9:53

homecoming or a key avenue

9:56

toward solving her own problems

9:58

by way of magic or something like that. that.

10:01

But Martin keeps, always

10:03

keeps her just like an inches

10:05

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10:08

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will lead you to the perfect PC Mario. With

15:35

Bargo Holt, right? Yeah.

15:38

And so I think, and

15:40

even the fact that the Bargo Holt

15:42

was planning and was getting Amory Lorch's

15:44

men drunk that night does kind of

15:46

imply that they were already planning and

15:48

doing it fairly quickly. Um,

15:51

and, but then,

15:53

are you sort of, you

15:56

know, sped up the whole process? Uh,

15:58

it's unclear what his plan is, but it, it, it. It is

16:00

clear that the Norsemen are not injured. So

16:04

Arya wonders at one point why none

16:06

of them have their feet chopped off, or

16:08

feet or hands chopped off. I noticed that too. So,

16:11

and she thinks that when she's in the gods was

16:13

not at the time. So that's

16:15

probably the first time, if you're a first

16:17

time reader, when you first come across this,

16:19

you think, oh God, they've captured some Norsemen. You mightn't

16:21

think too much of it. But then

16:25

after that scene, she wonders this, why their hands and

16:27

feet are chopped off. Then when she's

16:29

not- Yeah, she notices it as strange.

16:31

I mean, and even Gendry says, he

16:34

might chop off your feet

16:37

as he does, or something like that. So

16:39

it's like he's known for doing this. But

16:41

then Arya reflects, well, how come none of

16:44

those Norsemen had their hands or hands chopped?

16:46

And they keep bringing it up like with

16:48

Pia, it says, she says that she doesn't

16:50

go through and very far the whole shop

16:52

off her feet. Yeah, right. High and Gendry

16:54

both mentioned it. It's not

16:57

like it's just in the background, it's like constantly, this

16:59

is the threat, and this is the threat we used

17:01

to give her as well. That's Vargo who will chop

17:03

off her feet. And so

17:05

that she wonders that. And then when she's down in

17:07

the prison, she sees none of them seem quite so badly

17:11

as wounded as they were when Vargo hold

17:13

a Martian through the gates of Harrenhal. So

17:15

they were clearly, it was an act. Yeah.

17:19

So, yes,

17:23

the plan, Glover

17:25

didn't know the plan, right? So

17:28

he says this soup, that was a clever idea. I

17:30

did not expect that was that Lord Holt's idea. So

17:34

they clearly had a plan to take over the castle,

17:36

they just hadn't figured, Glover didn't

17:38

know how they were gonna do it. There's just

17:40

like at some point we were- Or maybe there

17:42

was a different avenue, like, okay, at daybreak, I'm

17:44

gonna let you free and here's how it's gonna

17:46

happen. And it doesn't happen that way. But

17:49

he recognizes that it was a clever idea. I

17:52

don't know. I mean, it's clearly,

17:54

it's clear because

17:57

of when Roose Bolton shows up.

18:01

that it was supposed to happen soon, right?

18:04

Yeah. Otherwise, why get them drunk?

18:08

Why does Roose Bolton show up when he does?

18:12

So, with that in

18:14

mind, Arya's sense of urgency

18:17

is misplaced. Yeah.

18:20

She thinks it's up to her to free the Northmen. In

18:23

reality, if she had done nothing

18:25

at all, the Northmen are going

18:27

to be freed within hours or something like that.

18:30

Yeah, basically. It did give her...it also

18:33

drew a lot of notice to her because Shagwel

18:36

is calling it Weasel Soup. And somehow,

18:38

it's kind of unclear how this gets

18:40

totally attributed to her, right? Because she

18:43

was involved with three others bringing

18:45

the soup in. But

18:47

they call it Weasel Soup. And in

18:49

the next chapter, I think, is

18:51

this Annabelle or something?

18:53

She berates Arya

18:55

for letting the men and Gendry and Hot Pie

18:58

are both very dissatisfied with her for causing this,

19:01

which, as you say, would have happened anyway. But

19:04

it's surprising that it's attributed

19:06

to her by everyone there. And that

19:08

makes you sort of think, like, she's drawing a lot

19:10

of attention to herself, which is quite dangerous. So,

19:13

I'm glad you mentioned Shagwel. If

19:15

you are listening to this and you're like, who's

19:17

Shagwel? In the

19:19

books, there's a fool at

19:22

Herrenhal, and his name is Shagwel.

19:25

And he kind

19:27

of fits the

19:30

little trophy thing that Martin likes

19:33

to do, where

19:36

these fools have some kind

19:38

of connection and

19:40

no certain information that other people don't

19:42

know. And

19:44

sometimes it's related to something magic,

19:46

right? So, when Patchface talks

19:48

about the creatures under

19:50

the sea or whatever, we would

19:53

connect this with the deep ones. And

19:57

we've got other fools in the story who

19:59

have said that. a certain kind of information

20:02

that they are able to relate to the

20:04

main characters. In this

20:06

case, Shagua the Fool happens

20:08

to know somehow that

20:11

it was Arya's plan all

20:13

along to take the soup down to the

20:15

prisoners and then kill

20:18

the guards and free the Northmen, right?

20:21

Basically, yeah. And Martin never tells us

20:23

how this, how he knows

20:25

this information, but it does

20:28

fit into this little trope

20:30

where the fool in the room gets

20:33

to say whatever he wants to say and he

20:36

happens to know the truth but no one really takes

20:38

him seriously because he's a fool. But

20:40

in this case, I guess people do take him

20:42

seriously because they start to look at Arya funny.

20:46

Yeah, so I think Arya

20:49

suspects that it was Robert

20:51

Glover who says about the Weasel Soup, but

20:55

also when

20:58

she meets Rysboulton, Jacque and Nagar is about to

21:00

introduce her and she interrupts saying I'm Weasel. So

21:03

I guess that was even

21:06

without Shagua, it's possible that the

21:08

four of them would have been seen as the people

21:10

who were- Yeah, but Robert Glover, I don't

21:12

think, he doesn't know who came

21:15

up with the plan. I

21:18

mean, she's not very active downstairs. She

21:20

just happens to be downstairs. It's true

21:22

with soup. And

21:26

so I don't know. I

21:28

mean, yeah, I'm not sure. It's not

21:30

said and eventually

21:32

Shagua spreads this rumor.

21:36

Yeah. So it becomes known, I suppose.

21:38

Yeah, he hacks off two of their heads and

21:41

has them talking to each other saying, how did

21:44

you die? And then there's this one from Weasel

21:46

Soup. Yeah,

21:49

that was, I wanted to note that because Martin

21:52

does at times like

21:54

to throw in a little homage

21:57

to bands he likes. And

22:01

so I think that this probably is a

22:03

little wink to the talking heads. I

22:07

didn't cop that very clever. So

22:09

he'd every now and again, they'll just throw something

22:11

like that in there. Uh, so

22:14

I do, you know, if,

22:16

if, if he hasn't done it, he hadn't done

22:18

it seven other times, I wouldn't think of anything

22:20

about, you know, actual literal

22:23

talking heads. Makes sense. All

22:25

right. Let's talk Jack and Hagar. So

22:28

many questions. You kind of

22:30

think you're getting familiar with this character and then all

22:32

of a sudden he just throws everything you knew about

22:34

him at the window. Okay.

22:37

Say more. What was

22:39

he doing? Like, what,

22:42

why was he so terrified when

22:44

Arya named him when

22:46

literally after he pays

22:51

his death, he says, now

22:53

this man must die. And then

22:55

Jack and Hagar is no more. Why did the thought

22:58

of him terrifying him so much? Um,

23:00

I guess because he's got like, you know, a mission,

23:03

he doesn't have time for the

23:05

faceless man to die, but surely for him,

23:07

Jack and Hagar dying is no scarier than

23:10

what he says later on in this chapter about

23:12

Jack and Hagar dying. So

23:15

there's two ways to read this. I guess three

23:17

ways to read it. One is this is all

23:19

kind of, um, subterfuge.

23:24

What he really wants is to get Arya

23:26

to come with him to, uh, Braavos. And

23:32

so he's kind of playing hard to get, but

23:34

really he does want to befriend her. And

23:37

so he's, he's getting her to play along. So that would be

23:39

one way to look at it. Another way to look at it

23:42

is he knows that

23:44

she is naming him

23:46

by the name he

23:48

has said, and so her intention is

23:50

very clear. And

23:53

so he's going to have to honor that, even though

23:55

maybe it's not his real name, he's going to have

23:57

to honor that by committing suicide. I

24:01

think that that's maybe the one that I like best

24:03

but the third option would be that at the end

24:08

He's kind of joking, you know, he's kind of

24:10

in other words He

24:12

knows that dying is

24:15

not the literal way to interpret

24:17

what he's about to do he's about to change his

24:19

face by magic and He's

24:22

using the term dying Kind

24:26

of in just Well,

24:28

Jack nagar is dying right like our

24:31

you know, he no longer is using

24:34

That face presumably Jack and Hagar if

24:36

that's then if that's the name that

24:38

actually belonged to that face once upon

24:40

a time That guy's dead Yeah,

24:43

so then that was another question. Have is he

24:46

like You

24:48

know already is Jack nagar that

24:50

original man Is he a lorasi

24:52

who's dead and in the

24:54

Hall of Faces? Or was he someone in

24:56

the black cells who a faceless man goes?

24:59

Oh, I'm gonna this man I'll fill my

25:01

next job. So and then took

25:03

over this Maybe lorasi self

25:05

sword who's in the black cells So

25:09

as he's after he changes

25:11

face Aria notes and this is

25:13

Aria's, you know limited Perspective

25:16

but she says this the

25:18

stranger walked away in Jack and

25:21

Hagar's clothes Meaning

25:23

that the man is different You

25:27

that guy's no longer Jack and Hagar yeah

25:31

If that's the way that we're supposed to read it

25:35

So and I honestly like I've thought about

25:37

this a few times thinking well, is he

25:39

even lower the Rathy? Because

25:42

maybe that's just the voice Of

25:47

that particular Visage he's

25:49

dawned. I presume

25:51

whoever Jack and agar was is because he's

25:53

you know, that's a half red half white

25:56

hair and and

25:59

that accent but the face man is not. The

26:02

Faceless Man is not. So really if you

26:04

if you we dig deep enough we know nothing

26:06

about this Faceless Man. Which is guess what Faceless

26:09

Man would want you to believe right there no

26:11

one. Right right that's

26:13

well said. So what

26:15

do you think? Why do you

26:18

think he looks distressed when she

26:20

names the you know the name Jack and

26:22

Agar as the third name? I

26:26

guess it because he clearly has

26:28

some mission and I

26:30

suppose it means yeah I initially would took

26:32

it to be the literal that

26:35

Faceless Man has to kill himself if he used to do

26:37

this because the Red God is old

26:39

one more life and it's got to be his life

26:42

and then later when he says a God has a

26:44

Jew and now a man must die and

26:46

then ends his visage

26:50

it's not the same but it's just quite confusing because how

26:52

he goes on about how

26:55

to name anyone and I will kill them

26:57

and then in the same in the same

27:01

discussion he says some men of many names

27:03

weasel, ari, aria. So I

27:05

wasn't really able

27:08

to establish a sort

27:11

of coherent reason for like

27:13

why he was so terrified and why if

27:17

Jack and Agar is just

27:19

somebody he's using the death of Jack and

27:21

Agar does not necessarily mean should not mean the

27:23

death of that Faceless Man given

27:26

the context of this chapter this happened over like two or

27:28

three books I might have noticed but this all happens in

27:30

literally like three or four pages right? Right

27:34

huh do

27:37

you think he's uh how old do

27:39

you think he is? Faceless

27:41

Man? I

27:45

don't know. When she says I could name your own

27:47

father and he says my

27:49

fire is long dead. I

27:51

didn't actually read into the long

27:53

dead meaning like you know like

27:56

cold hands long. So

27:58

I don't know I don't I don't know if we're supposed

28:00

to read too much into that, but I, it is a,

28:02

there is a question for me because

28:05

later on, Ruse Bolton comes to town

28:07

and he's talking about the secret of

28:09

long life. Yeah. And, and

28:11

so that sort of brings up the topic

28:13

of like, uh, you know,

28:15

is this a theme that Martin's developing? But, and

28:19

then you wonder, okay, well, how long do

28:21

the faces men live? Do they, do they

28:23

live the normal amount of life or let's

28:25

say you do dawn the visage

28:27

of another

28:30

person? Are you now sort

28:32

of running out the mileage on

28:34

that vehicle? I

28:36

assume they have normal human-length lives. They can

28:38

just change their appearance,

28:41

but like, by changing your appearance in the

28:43

old man, you're not necessarily old. It is

28:45

like, I think there's a bit

28:47

of like smoke and mirrors involved there. I

28:50

would imagine so, but I wonder how,

28:52

like sometimes I wonder, it's like smoke

28:55

and mirrors, how much of this is smoke and

28:57

mirrors and how much of this is an

29:01

actual magical

29:03

manifestation? Because, you

29:05

know, like, let's say

29:07

Arya, who's let's say,

29:09

you know, four foot five, let's

29:13

say she dawns the visages of

29:15

someone who's, uh,

29:17

six foot five. Uh,

29:21

and are people looking up or down or do they think, are they down, but

29:23

they think they're looking up or how does this all work? I don't really get

29:25

it. Yeah,

29:30

we don't have enough information and then we know

29:33

magic has gotten more, uh, prominent

29:37

since the rise of dragons. So are they just better to know than

29:39

they were a few years ago? That's a good point. Do you think

29:42

that Jack and Hagar is an answer to prayer? No,

29:46

I think it is. Uh, no, I don't. I don't

29:49

think there's an association with

29:52

the old gods of

30:00

the first men in restaurants in the weird

30:02

woods and the face. Well, she mentions that

30:05

if a grumpkin gives you three

30:07

wishes, you need to be really

30:09

careful about the third wish. She's

30:13

almost, there's this little bit like

30:15

in Old Nan's stories, she's learned

30:17

that the third wish

30:19

is usually the one that gets you.

30:21

I don't know if that relates at

30:23

all to this, but it's interesting. Yeah,

30:26

the last time I was on, I did discuss whether

30:28

Jack and Agara could be a warlock. Wait

30:32

a second here. I

30:35

had a guest on

30:37

Caitlin Ollie, this is

30:39

a few months back,

30:41

or sorry, Kate Ollie.

30:44

What she says is

30:46

that if you look

30:49

carefully, the people who pray in

30:51

this world, something actually

30:54

does happen. It's

30:56

interesting that she's praying for help. He

31:01

appears as if out of nowhere. She

31:03

even says he was standing as still

31:05

as one of the trees. That's

31:07

interesting that she would confuse

31:10

him with the tree god or

31:12

whatever. Then

31:16

after that, she said, is he an answer? She

31:18

asked herself that question. Is he an answer to

31:20

prayer? This

31:23

recalls when she first

31:25

meets Jack and I

31:27

think that this is a literary metaphor

31:29

more than anything. It says that

31:32

she was polishing her hates by

31:35

reciting her list. I

31:37

think polishing her hates parallels

31:40

like Aladdin polishing the

31:42

lamp, and then the death

31:44

genie shows up. Okay,

31:46

yeah, that's probably the literary thing. I didn't spot that.

31:50

There's something about her

31:54

making the request. Immediately

31:57

he's there. And

31:59

then she... wonders is he answered a prayer. I

32:01

don't... I'm just

32:03

asking the question. I don't know if I

32:05

have an answer. He talks a lot about

32:08

gods and he's very explicit about not knocking

32:10

them out. He does! He seems to be

32:12

like a mediator for deities. And

32:14

he seems particularly terrified of the red god.

32:17

Even he of the fire or something like that.

32:19

Yeah, something like that. And then also, like,

32:22

I don't know,

32:24

maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I feel

32:26

like because Arya saved him and Roarj

32:28

and Biter from the fire. That seems to

32:30

be why he owes her, not because you

32:32

took, you know, you say you

32:35

snatch lives from any old goddess, but he's

32:37

specifically snatched from the red god. He's

32:39

more spifle or something like that. Is

32:42

there something about the rise

32:44

of dragons where this particular...

32:49

Like the fire magic is getting stronger and

32:51

so the red god is should

32:53

be feared a bit more. It seems

32:56

to be the case that the red god is

32:59

getting more important. And the other is

33:01

we don't observe it as much. Now I

33:03

know in in the north, I

33:06

guess we have dire wolves and wargs and

33:08

stuff. The old gods are also becoming more

33:11

prominent, but we have lots of instances of

33:13

the red god becoming more prominent between

33:15

between Berth Dandarian

33:18

as well as North Androz visions

33:20

and Coro later on. There's

33:24

a lot of instances of red god getting in more powerful

33:26

anyway. So maybe maybe Jack and Akara is

33:28

just aware of this. Yeah. One

33:32

thing that he says that I noted

33:34

is the gods are not to

33:36

be mocked. And I

33:39

noticed that phrase as significant

33:41

because in the

33:43

ancient worlds, the

33:46

people that you would call atheists were

33:48

not people that disbelieved in the existence

33:50

of gods. The

33:52

people that you would call atheists are people who

33:54

mock the gods. So

33:56

we have several people, you know, that that word

33:58

is used, but it's It's usually of

34:00

people who are

34:03

taunting, people who are making fun

34:05

of gods as powerless.

34:08

That would be someone who

34:10

would be called an atheist in that world.

34:13

And so it's almost like here we have

34:15

Arya in discussion with, I

34:17

guess, a priestly figure, you know, if you think

34:20

of him as sort of like a mediator between

34:22

the gods that are venerated in

34:24

the House of Black and White. And

34:26

then here we have Arya who's, you

34:29

know, legitimately questioning whether the old

34:31

gods ever actually helped her father.

34:35

So for him to use that phrase, it did

34:38

catch my attention. Yeah,

34:41

and then he mentions quite a lot

34:43

of gods in that list. He starts with something like,

34:46

he mentions something like the

34:48

god of air and sea, even

34:50

he in red, and then mentions many other gods

34:52

after this. But he

34:55

does seem to have, he

34:57

does seem very interested in all of them. But I

34:59

guess we kind of know that from as well

35:02

from the many faced gods in when

35:05

Arya gets to Braavas, they do sort of, I

35:09

guess, they've shown an awareness of all gods, right? Or

35:11

their view, I guess, is all gods are derived

35:13

from one, this many faced god or

35:15

something like that. It is a little bit

35:17

unclear. I'm not sure that at

35:20

this early stage, Martin really has decided

35:23

the face, what the House of

35:25

Black and White is going to be and what the

35:27

faceless men actually are. Because

35:32

Dany meets this guild of weeping

35:35

men, assassins and karth, and

35:38

you can hire them and there's there's sort of like a sacred

35:41

guild of assassins who are called

35:43

like the sorrowful men. Yeah. And

35:45

they say that they're sorry, whatever. And

35:50

so it makes me wonder, like, you

35:53

don't really have this all worked out. Maybe

35:55

you repurpose that idea for

35:58

the faceless men later on. And maybe at this point, point

36:00

in the story, the Faceless

36:02

Men are connected to R'hllor,

36:06

but he kind of gardened his way out of

36:08

that idea. Yeah, that is possibly

36:10

true. I put it down to him

36:14

just being more scared to R'hllor rather than... But yeah,

36:16

I think you mentioned that in... when

36:19

you discussed the chapter at the time,

36:21

that you didn't

36:23

think he had fully ironed it

36:25

out. Yeah, this would be another

36:27

indication maybe, that he doesn't have

36:29

Faceless Men theology completely worked out

36:32

at this point. Yeah,

36:34

I think that probably is reasonable. There is a good

36:36

bit of time between that, like, what,

36:39

nearly 15 years between this

36:41

book and Stamps of Dragons. Okay,

36:45

she's given the coin. The

36:47

coin eventually will be

36:51

important to her, and at

36:53

this point,

37:00

I guess we gotta ask, he

37:04

knows she's a Stark, how does he

37:06

know that, and does

37:08

that make her more valuable to

37:10

him? Like, why recruit a

37:13

10 year

37:15

old girl to come

37:18

learn the magical arts of

37:21

the Faceless Men? Yeah,

37:24

I mean, so this

37:27

is the first chapter he reveals he knows exactly who

37:29

she is. First he calls her Arya, and then later

37:32

on, My Lady of Stark. And

37:34

then this goes back

37:36

to again, like, what was his mission in the first place?

37:38

Like, I mean, is he... a lot of characters

37:42

sort of revere the Starks a bit

37:44

for their association with Worgs and the

37:46

Old God in Winter. So maybe, I

37:48

would believe that his mission could have been

37:50

just simply to recruit a Worg, recruit a Stark,

37:53

even if they recruit Arya. And

37:55

I did question this

37:57

a lot, like, how does he know Arya is...

38:00

is Arya. But then

38:02

there are a few hints like

38:04

between the fact that Jaren is

38:06

hiding her. She disguises herself

38:09

as a boy. She shouts Winterfell

38:11

when they're being attacked. There are

38:16

definitely a few indications but then we also,

38:18

like he's been in the Black Cells, he

38:20

might really know, well he does seem

38:22

to know a lot of what's going on though right? Or

38:26

if he's connected to R'hllor magic, maybe

38:28

he's seen it in the flame. I

38:30

mean, okay, so even

38:32

if he knows that she is a Stark,

38:34

how does he know she's a Warg? I

38:36

mean, to me, that's

38:39

the key question. It would make sense if

38:42

you're a guild of assassins, a Warg

38:45

could be valuable to you. How does

38:51

he know to associate this particular 10 year

38:53

old girl with this kind of avenue

38:56

of lost magic? Yeah, and we did discuss this

38:58

a little last time as well where I

39:00

gave two opposing arguments.

39:04

One is that he doesn't know she's a Warg,

39:06

right? And the Faceless Men don't know much about

39:08

Wargs. And

39:10

my head theory is that's how

39:12

Arya doesn't become a Faceless Men because she's able to

39:15

keep some of herself by being a Warg as

39:17

opposed to being a true Faceless Man where you have

39:19

to be true to become no one. But

39:22

then the other argument is he knows she's a Warg

39:24

because he's also a Warg and can

39:26

identify that somehow. All

39:30

right. Do you feel like we've talked

39:32

enough about Jaqen H'ghar? Do you have

39:34

more to talk about? No,

39:36

I think we've probably talked Jaqen H'ghar to the death

39:38

of Jaqen H'ghar. I

39:42

mean, eventually, we'll

39:44

have to talk about him again if we ever get

39:46

to the prologue of Dance,

39:48

right? I

39:51

mean, the only other thing I just about

39:53

in this very confusing is like why did

39:55

he hang around after Arya effectively rescued them,

39:57

right? And then why did he hang around?

40:00

until he complete, was it just

40:02

complete this death area? That's what it seems

40:04

like, but as you said

40:06

earlier, more likely if he's trying to recruit area and

40:08

that goes back to why and

40:10

then what's special about her, why not try and

40:12

recruit like Rickon, like. Okay,

40:16

I'm going to, to

40:18

the chagrin of many people, I'm going to bring up

40:21

Deep One's mythology one more time. Excellent.

40:26

So interestingly enough, she,

40:28

she wonders maybe

40:32

if Roarj and

40:34

Biter were called up from

40:36

hell by

40:39

Jack and Hagar, like maybe he's a

40:41

devil and maybe he brought with him

40:43

two demons along the way or whatever.

40:47

Maybe she's not half wrong, maybe she's

40:49

not half wrong here. I think there's

40:51

some very nice wordplay as well because

40:53

we both think Biter is a squisher,

40:55

right? And. Well, there's

40:58

no doubt that Biter is a squisher, but I

41:00

feel like if I get a chance to say Biter

41:02

is a squisher, I'm always going to take the

41:04

opportunity to say Biter is a squisher. There's

41:07

this nice sort of wordplay here and the Roarj and Biter

41:09

could be demons. He called her from somehow

41:11

not men at all. And Biter almost certainly

41:13

is not a man, right? So. All

41:16

right, so let's talk about that because later on,

41:19

they're trying to free the Northmen from

41:23

the cells below the Kingspire, I

41:25

think that, oh, no, the widow,

41:27

the widow tower. Yeah. And

41:32

Roarj seems to,

41:34

you know, he's got a knife and he's cutting people's throat.

41:37

Biter, he's using

41:39

his enormous pale hands to

41:43

break people's necks. So

41:45

enormous pair of hands and maybe, maybe,

41:47

but then, you know,

41:50

maybe that's interesting. All the better pursuing with

41:52

Roarj. Yeah,

41:54

right. But in addition to that,

41:58

after they're dead, he's like. sitting

42:00

on their chest and gnawing on their fingers?

42:04

This is not normal behavior. No,

42:08

but every time everything we see of

42:10

Vytor is not normal, right? He

42:13

also picks up the kettles without

42:15

any, like Jak and Gar, and Arya both

42:17

have to use gloves and are carrying half

42:19

each, and then he's just got one on

42:22

each hand. And he

42:24

seems to dislike the heat, but he

42:26

doesn't seem, you know, he's

42:28

not like throwing it down because

42:31

it was a scalding black cauldron. His

42:34

big, pale, weird

42:37

hands are able to absorb

42:40

the heat in some way. So the

42:43

flesh of a rabbit in the process,

42:45

before he picks them up as well.

42:47

Like, yeah, there's multiple instances of him

42:50

not having normal human behavior. Yeah,

42:52

yeah. And of course, you know, the teeth,

42:56

and just the way he's described early

42:58

on, he does

43:00

seem to fit the description of what

43:03

the people of Westeros call

43:06

squishers. And

43:09

somehow Jak and Haggard has some hold

43:11

over him and Rorsh that they will

43:13

do whatever he asks for them. Yeah,

43:16

yeah. Again,

43:19

Jak and Haggard is just a man of

43:21

many tricks, I guess. All

43:26

right. I want

43:28

to get to Roose Bolton

43:30

here, but is

43:32

there anything else about this chapter you want

43:34

to discuss before we talk about Roose Bolton?

43:37

Just very briefly, it wouldn't be

43:40

having me on this without me

43:42

discussing magic birds at some point.

43:44

Oh, I missed it entirely. Was

43:47

there a magic bird? Very early on

43:49

when Arya is walking through Harrenhal, and

43:51

then she's a spirits of dead falcons,

43:53

stared the air with ghostly wings. Ah,

43:57

okay. This is all just sort of like... to

44:00

pepper in the mystique of Heron Hall.

44:03

Yep. But, notably, they do

44:05

not talk in the same... No. Unfortunately,

44:08

that's the next chapter where she imagines the crows

44:10

talking to their dead maester. Although,

44:13

I will say this, I thought

44:15

it was interesting that she's practicing

44:17

water dancing in the branches. Mm,

44:20

yeah. She's up

44:22

in the branches practicing

44:24

her balance with

44:28

a makeshift sword. She's

44:30

become so good at water dancing. I don't know

44:33

how long she's in Heron Hall. I don't know

44:35

how long we're supposed to imagine that she's in

44:37

Heron Hall. But, seemingly,

44:39

she does this pretty often.

44:41

So, she's continued her serial

44:44

forl training. But now she's

44:47

using her balance to

44:49

balance on tree branches. Yeah,

44:53

she seems to be fairly... She

44:56

should be keeping that up constantly, or consistently,

44:58

maybe. Okay, you want to

45:00

talk about Ruth Bolton? Yeah, the main

45:02

thing I wanted to ask is why does Aria

45:05

forget how to talk to a lord? So, she

45:07

forgot to say my lord. But then, later on,

45:10

when she's talking to him, she

45:12

says, yes, your lord. I mean, my lord. What's

45:15

the significance of her getting that wrong? Okay,

45:19

so as the daughter of Ned Stark, does

45:23

she still have to call the liege

45:27

lords of Ned

45:29

my lord? I would imagine, yes. Yeah,

45:32

I would imagine yes, as well. So,

45:35

the other question is... She's

45:38

never been very good at courtesy all

45:40

along, right? This is something that

45:42

Sansa would absolutely know how

45:45

to say correctly. When

45:48

Sansa was learning all that courtesy, Aria was

45:51

out playing in the mud

45:53

with Maika or whatever,

45:56

running through the stables, Aria underfoot, that kind

45:58

of thing. So, that's one idea. Another

46:01

idea is that maybe

46:04

she is trying to pretend to

46:06

be low born and stupid so

46:09

that people underestimate her. Yeah,

46:11

that is possible. That are just

46:13

emotional scouring from the hell

46:15

she's been through for the last few weeks or

46:17

months. Yeah,

46:20

it is an odd thing. It is an odd

46:22

thing for her

46:24

not to know how to do that correctly. But,

46:27

okay, so here's my question. Does

46:31

Rusboulton make

46:33

her immediately? Does he know immediately that this is

46:35

Arya Stark? No, I don't think he

46:38

ever does. Do you think he does? I

46:41

think he does. And here's

46:43

what I would say. He looks

46:45

at her, studies her,

46:48

shows an interest in this little

46:51

girl, right? And

46:53

he says, how old are you? And

46:57

I think he's at that point realizing, oh,

46:59

this is these idiots. They

47:02

had Arya Stark here all along. This

47:04

is obviously Arya Stark. I can tell

47:06

by the face of this person that

47:08

this is a Stark. And

47:10

this girl is exactly the same age as

47:12

Arya Stark would be. And

47:15

then he says, do you like animals? Why does he say that?

47:17

Why does he say, do you like

47:19

animals? And she says, I like some. And

47:23

then he says, but not lions or manicores.

47:26

This is veiled language. Like, you're

47:28

a wolf girl. You're clearly

47:30

not a southern girl, right? I mean,

47:33

that's how I read it. Well, I assume the

47:35

animal thing was because he then asked, how do you feel

47:37

about leeches, right? That's

47:39

where I was going with that. I thought the

47:41

reason I thought he never figured it out is because

47:44

in the next chapter,

47:46

she's sort of privy to some

47:48

discussion, which I think if he knew

47:50

he had her, he would be careful

47:52

about information. He reveals her because in the next

47:55

chapter, he already brings his plan to sort of

47:57

foil Rob a bit by sending Robert Glover to

47:59

Duskendale. And you think

48:02

you'd be more careful. Yeah. If

48:04

he had an ARIA. He'd be more sure

48:07

that it was ARIA. Yeah. And then there's

48:09

the gamble of using, it says, Jane

48:12

Poole is ARIA later on. If

48:14

he knows ARIA is still actually out there. I

48:18

mean, I mean, this is, I

48:21

wouldn't put it past him for sure. That

48:24

is a good point that he

48:26

seems to be loose, a little bit

48:28

loose lipped. You don't

48:30

imagine Ruth Bolton as someone who is a,

48:33

who doesn't exercise that kind of caution.

48:36

Right. So maybe so,

48:38

maybe so. I mean,

48:41

I, that's kind of how I read it, but

48:43

certainly the text does not give any

48:46

indication, any direct indication that he has

48:49

made her for a Stark. Yeah. Yeah.

48:53

I assumed he never knew, but I have to reread

48:55

the next chapter again now and see if there's

48:58

any more obvious things that would potentially give it away.

49:00

Because she just talked to him some point in the

49:02

next chapter and he's quite annoyed with her for even

49:04

speaking out of turn. I

49:08

kind of thought that would give him more indication of

49:10

who it might be, but he doesn't seem to show

49:12

much. Also, he doesn't plan to keep her. You'd think

49:14

if he knew it was ARIA, he'd keep her with

49:16

him. Whereas he plans to leave her in Hall and

49:18

leave her with Fargo Hose. Right. He'd

49:21

be like a very, like he's already

49:23

planning betraying Robb, so she's a very

49:25

valuable hostage. Or keep him, keep her

49:27

close. Exactly, yeah. Keep her close

49:29

and keep up the act. That's what I would imagine he would have done.

49:32

Well you make a good case. Do

49:35

you think that Roose Bolton is a vampire? I

49:39

think there's a surprising amount of similarities

49:41

between Faceless Men and what

49:43

Roose Bolton is doing that I hadn't

49:45

really copped for. I

49:48

guess that's more something to discuss in the next chapter of

49:50

the Leeches. He just

49:52

mentioned the long life and you mentioned that earlier. Is

49:55

that really connected to possibly Faceless Men

49:57

living a very long life? But

50:00

also this

50:02

idea like flaying and skin changing don't

50:05

seem that dissimilar so maybe

50:07

they do live a long time and

50:09

Ris Bolton is trying to Carry

50:12

on that kind of thing. I don't think he's

50:14

a literal vampire But I think he's trying to

50:16

use some kind of blood magic to lengthen

50:19

his life Interesting so the

50:21

people who like this theory and there's

50:23

there's a number of iterations of this

50:25

theory for sure But the

50:27

people who like this theory like

50:30

it because The

50:33

legacy of Heron Hall is very

50:38

Vampish. Mmm. And

50:41

so you've got several characters who seem

50:43

to have been using blood magic to

50:46

prolong their life Why

50:49

does Ris Bolton want to take Heron

50:51

Hall? Maybe that's why

50:53

he's there in the first place because he's trying

50:55

to to attain some

50:57

kind of Vampirish

51:00

knowledge Yeah, I agree with

51:02

that again in the next chapter I don't want to

51:04

go too much in the next chapter, but he is

51:06

burning a book which surely he finds in Heron Hall,

51:08

right? so, um, I Imagine

51:10

he is there for very specific reasons. He's

51:13

got the information that he needs and now

51:15

he's Burning it so no

51:17

one else can read it. Yeah The

51:20

other the other theory about Ris Bolton that

51:23

I like is that maybe he is the

51:25

Night King In

51:27

that as well. Yeah, don't

51:29

buy it. Yes It's

51:34

the weird everyone who meets him

51:36

notices his weird pale eyes But

51:40

I don't know if that's enough Anyway,

51:43

we don't have enough information with the Night King other

51:46

than there is 13th Lord Commander

51:48

in the book, do we? it's more a It's

51:51

a little bit more of a show thing. I suppose this Yeah,

51:55

no, dude. Yeah, there's the

51:57

mythology. There's a particular mythology

52:00

around that. But of course, Martin

52:04

likes to have the

52:06

myths that no one believes anymore.

52:09

It's true. Yeah, find the way to the

52:11

presence in some way. And he

52:13

also likes the option, I think, to leave these open in

52:15

case he wants to use it later. Yeah,

52:18

that's right. That's right. Notable

52:20

introductions. Pink Eye,

52:22

who's also called Bebel. Ben

52:26

Blackthumb, we

52:28

hear about for the first time. Shagwell

52:31

the Fool and his talking

52:34

heads, introduced in

52:36

this chapter. And the phrase,

52:38

Velar Marulus, is

52:41

first uttered in this chapter. Notable

52:46

show differences. Basically, the

52:51

three deaths are

52:53

much different. Although, you do

52:56

have Arya say

52:59

the name, Jack and Haggar, to

53:02

try to gain some leverage over him. But

53:05

in the show, she tries to use that

53:07

to escape. He promised to help me. That

53:10

wasn't from his lovely girl. Only

53:12

death. There must be others. Give

53:15

a name, any name. And

53:17

you killed her? Anybody?

53:24

By the seven new gods and the old gods beyond

53:26

counting, I swear it. All

53:32

right. Jack

53:39

and Haggar. Haggar

53:48

gives the man his own name. That's right. Got

53:51

her not blocked. There's no joking thing. I'm

53:53

not joking. Man can go kill himself. Unname

53:56

me. No. Please.

54:00

I'll unname you. We'll get him, Dad. Thank

54:02

you. If you help me and my friends escape. This would require

54:04

more than one life. This is not part of our bargain. Fine. Jack

54:07

and her garb. A girl likes honor. If I do

54:09

that thing, the girl must obey. A girl will obey. A

54:11

girl and her friends will walk

54:13

through the gate at midnight. Let's

54:42

see here. Do we have any name

54:44

characters that die in this chapter? Kind of Emery

54:46

Lorch. At least he's thrown in with the bear.

54:49

Yeah, right. So I

54:51

guess we're going to say goodbye to Emery Lorch

54:54

off page. But

54:57

yes, he is a drug

55:00

around naked and he

55:02

ends up getting thrown in with the

55:04

bear and Arya thinks it's maybe a

55:06

fitting ending because the bear

55:09

is black just like Jorin's clothing. Nice

55:11

little closure

55:14

for Emery Lorch. Does

55:16

Arya waste all her wishes? Is that what

55:18

we've decided? That Arya wastes

55:21

every single wish? I

55:23

think they're all effectively wasted,

55:25

yes, unfortunately. I mean, it was

55:27

good to get rid of Chiswick. He was awful. But it would

55:29

have been better to get rid of the mountain. Yeah,

55:34

or Tywin. Or, you know.

55:36

Bitch Poffrey. Yeah, somewhat

55:38

of note. But, you know, this

55:41

made the Heron Hall plot

55:44

have a bit of intrigue, right? A lot of

55:46

intrigue, yeah. And you also have no idea where

55:48

it's going. When you first read it, I think

55:51

I wouldn't have thought that she wasted all of them in my

55:53

first read, but now going back. And

55:55

the lack of consequences of those. Well,

55:59

I think that's a good point. And it does show her

56:01

a bit of her development because, you know,

56:03

she thought these first two wishes

56:05

were selfish. I need to do something

56:07

to help Rob's cause, which

56:09

she does. She thinks I

56:12

can free a hundred Northmen and

56:14

deliver Heron Hall to

56:17

the North, if I

56:19

can just get this faceless man to help me do it.

56:22

And so, you know, she has no idea.

56:26

Uh, what's going to happen

56:28

with Ruth Bolton. Right. So she's

56:31

trying to do something

56:33

for her brother, even

56:35

though it doesn't really end up helping out. Hmm.

56:38

Indeed. It's

56:41

a great chapter. It's packed action

56:43

packed chapter. Thank you

56:45

for helping me cover it. It

56:48

was a pleasure as always. And

56:51

now throwback Thursday with comic

56:53

Steve Osborne. I'm

56:56

an adventurous eater, Steve. Uh,

56:59

I w I will, uh, try new things.

57:02

Would you try lamprey pie? I'll

57:06

tell you what hot pie is adventurous

57:09

too. And I'll tell you why. Oh,

57:11

go on. Uh, he's

57:14

suggesting grinding the

57:16

stone of the cherry. Right.

57:18

Right. And sprinkling it

57:21

on the crest of the pie. And

57:23

this is actually a debate in the

57:25

world of culinary science, because cherry

57:28

pits do indeed have

57:30

an enzyme that can

57:33

become cyanide. So

57:35

they can be a little bit poisonous. I don't

57:38

think that they're poisonous enough to do any real

57:40

damage to you. And I think that you can

57:42

cook all the poison out. But

57:45

I've gone to a few blogs and

57:48

I've gone to bonapetit.com

57:50

and seems to me that, uh, that

57:53

hot pie is in the right. You

57:55

can cook with the pits of cherries.

57:58

See, hot pie is just sort of.

58:00

considered throwaway new like our is just

58:02

got this big. Amitabh is little bit

58:04

of a gourmand. He really is. He's

58:06

a genius that will not be appreciated

58:09

in his time. Now.

58:11

Which is what I that's that's what got

58:14

me. I'm looking at the like this, the

58:16

unsavory tone of this entire area and awful

58:18

things. I the area and just in general

58:20

assists just Mckee you have guy just seems

58:23

like would like what is what makes hot

58:25

Pie so charming but he gets to the

58:27

i mean it is it is he diseases

58:30

keep a nice these ne'er do wells just

58:32

flush with high on the sidewalk a man

58:34

as and work like an hour and he

58:36

does this thing with the series. I

58:40

don't even care of and kill me. It's the like. He.