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About leaker. I
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was whether. I
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would be able to order will. When
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you play. The. Game of Thrones. You win,
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all die. There
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is no. You
1:19
play to win the game. Plan
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to go from Apple
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A. Welcome
1:33
back to House of the
1:35
Dragon! Two electric blue collar
1:37
I'm years Anthony. This. Week
1:40
we are real area in
1:42
an episode of Double Dragon.
1:44
This is the Rogue Prince.
1:46
Season. One episode to of House
1:48
with the dragon. King.
2:01
Love Train set. It.
2:06
To this is really into this train set.
2:11
Thank God for Model Wester Ross. Do
2:16
think. When. They invent changes
2:18
gonna like it more or less. Oh
2:20
well, that's the question Right Where your
2:22
word for his Did trains replace the
2:24
dragons of your other dragons? Going to
2:27
decline the and true and it seems
2:29
the me like if you add trains
2:31
to that train said it would actually
2:33
improve it all. Right now it's I.
2:37
The. Doing they ran a mean of
2:39
like a Rube Goldberg. The mice were oh
2:41
in, Do it. He's just so excited about
2:43
it. I think this is like that that
2:46
might be one of them are underrated. Parts
2:48
of like. You're
2:50
trying to figure out is
2:52
is is he received an
2:54
apt Erie Canal is the
2:57
okay. Is
2:59
this moment like they're having a semi?
3:01
I have a hobby, I appreciate autos
3:04
then he has his daughter and to
3:06
check on him but I think he
3:08
needs to have like around the clock
3:10
people. second up speed. gotta see needs
3:12
come in in to watch him play
3:15
with the train set without any trains.
3:17
Oh no I grew up my dragon.
3:24
To throws himself on the couch
3:27
news. At. All
3:31
right Steve, I have identified. Five.
3:34
Storylines. I
3:36
just thought we'd We'd. Do. More
3:39
to discover all of the storyline
3:41
Sweaty Things. As. They
3:44
you're saying well we should do
3:47
is in this review of the
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Television Show Review: The Television Show
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in it's entirety. It's a New.
3:55
New. Thing for us, but I think we should try it
3:57
at least once. Or and
3:59
well, the good news. The I was awake
4:01
through the whole upset no new
4:03
like I have a really good
4:05
shot at work and even and
4:07
even even higher level in Lhasa.
4:09
Way to go Granddad. To
4:13
however I did watch it like an hour
4:15
at. Ah
4:19
oh yeah. well as nine. The
4:21
I was I was running puntland. Ah,
4:24
of course, get that's that's Sunday Conflict
4:26
valid. But the punchline thing is kind
4:28
of like my My Game of Thrones
4:30
And right, because you know of and
4:33
I'm I'm the one who decides who
4:35
goes up and who doesn't. well year
4:37
kings Osiris. Sort of like you're a
4:40
little bit passive. Me: sometimes yellow too
4:42
passive, right? Did you got yourself? Did
4:44
you pick yourself up. I
4:46
did up on my cell. See, this
4:48
is the problem you year. You sit
4:50
in the corner with your broken dragon
4:53
figurines and you're not. You're not seeing
4:55
the power when it's there to be
4:57
seized. But here's a
4:59
thing as a matter where I walk around the
5:01
room and this just like everybody bend the knee
5:03
like they're doing the opposite way if that's what
5:05
they do. A yet they're giving the states time.
5:07
See, this has been talking the mountain set a
5:09
thing as I give them the crumbs. This
5:13
is how you view it every one
5:15
second behind your back. Same for his
5:17
calf items out charges get most ice
5:19
time everybody wants me. Either way, whether
5:21
the same time it's like someone get
5:24
us there. It's
5:26
alright. so as heavy as the
5:28
head that wears the blonde wix.
5:32
I've got five soylent in. The first
5:34
one is the kings marriage. So
5:38
Kings Osiris is getting pressure
5:40
from all sides to remarry.
5:43
His. Relationship with Allison seems
5:45
to have come to a
5:47
more intimate albeit what Onyx
5:49
stage. The. Sears
5:51
seems to consider marrying a twelve
5:54
year olds. Lot. Leaner
5:56
Lane at Lena Lama. Lena
6:02
Valerian Everyone who speaks up seems to
6:04
think that this is the best course
6:06
of action. The King decided against it.
6:09
And. Announces his marriage to Allison's.
6:12
All. Except auto. Are
6:14
unhappy. Bad choice. See.
6:16
Where you get enough maggots near life. I'm
6:20
glad you brought that up. A
6:23
So with the last time you came
6:25
into contact with my as I feel
6:27
like I'm I'm to. I gave a
6:29
piece a moldy salami the other day.
6:32
Oh, I basically gagged for the next
6:34
fourteen hours. I. Grinned good taste
6:36
out of my mouth and. I.
6:39
Don't know the last time I touched a
6:42
maggot I am I don't have an atomic
6:44
touch them A and I know they were
6:46
maggots on any of my house because our
6:48
that one of our pipes that the garbage
6:50
disposal pipe specifically had like corroded and so
6:53
was he has no me hyped mag in.
6:57
Those just dumping. Stuff.
6:59
Under the House and the and
7:01
and and that. Seem.
7:03
To attract maggots finance outlets Fix? They're not
7:06
that they really aren't that many seen them.
7:08
You look at em, you just think that.
7:11
I mean that vision scare or
7:13
gross at any one. but the
7:15
given not jumping maggots trying. To
7:19
be something of value, those are the screaming
7:21
maggots. I'm in the discussed. That
7:23
it just wriggling wire and I are they sell
7:25
their at us why are they so guess. Ah,
7:30
I. Mean, I don't get grossed out by a worm if
7:32
I see a worm is fine as I guess is the
7:34
worm. Been aiming a is a maggot. All that different than
7:36
a warm. It's funny cause they maggots
7:38
gonna turn into a flyer and. Yes,
7:41
And then the flies in a buggy bother
7:43
you. Surrogate. mean i am
7:45
a little grossed out yeah it's a little girl
7:47
sizer them i mean it's about grossing see him
7:49
on the potato salad gazzetta seems to be routes
7:52
defiance and that to so i don't i don't
7:54
like it and unlikely that they you know and
7:56
late may rub their hands when they look at
7:58
you like it's that's pretty menacing And
8:01
I think they're hatching a plan. Yeah, exactly
8:03
and like and in such a way that
8:05
is like they want you to know they
8:07
are I mean, that's like the insect equivalent
8:10
of like twirling their own mustache Right,
8:13
of course, but the man thing
8:15
is a maggot is like the least
8:19
Menacing fly right? It's not I mean they just
8:21
they don't even seem they almost look more like
8:23
an optical illusion Right, like they just sort of
8:26
wriggle amongst themselves If
8:28
anything if I was a maggot I'd be
8:30
more grossed out by maggots because I know
8:32
I'm gonna be amongst more maggots and they're
8:34
gonna be all over me Yeah, famously. This
8:36
is probably the scariest scene from the Lost
8:38
Boys, right? Oh, yeah, wasn't the vampires It
8:40
was the maggots right what he did.
8:42
He was eating them. That was a part of it,
8:45
right? Yeah, but was that the illusion or not? Yeah,
8:49
I never clear on that The
8:51
funny thing. Yeah, I mean I don't even though
8:53
we're discussing it now I don't think I'm gonna convince
8:55
myself that maggots are fine Yeah,
8:58
they're gross. I don't know why they're so gross.
9:00
They're just totally gross Yeah,
9:02
they're they're like amongst the worst Now
9:14
we are 10 minutes into this podcast
9:16
we've covered nothing Trains
9:21
You wanted to cover all the storylines
9:23
and we're out of time kids tune
9:26
in next week I Just
9:28
want to cover the most irrelevant elements
9:31
of every storyline But the thing
9:33
is is there but yeah, I don't know. I mean
9:35
they're irrelevant, but they're not I mean they
9:37
were very Captivated right? I mean
9:39
it obviously we're trying to the maggot scene
9:42
brings you to a certain time Like what
9:44
is it about this guy that he'd every
9:46
single time he gets cut it just he's
9:48
got a cut off his body part Or
9:50
something like I know the whole time just
9:52
like so this is I've got Michael a
9:54
wonderful little nickname for him Here is King
9:56
scabby Patty It's
10:01
just just just so simple where
10:03
it's just like it's like everyone gets together.
10:05
It's like alright, let's Dip
10:08
his finger in maggots man.
10:10
Is this the most high? High
10:12
most high main just stick him in the room
10:14
with the train set man to stick him in
10:16
work But that's where he's cutting
10:18
himself So,
10:23
all right, let's talk about the King's marriage Six
10:26
months six months out from from
10:28
this initial I
10:31
guess c-section. That's the other
10:33
thing this episode had zero c-sections Yeah,
10:36
finally So
10:39
so six months out but you got to figure
10:41
this is in like what Westeros Years,
10:44
right? So, I don't know what
10:46
the lifespan is of a person six months is
10:48
probably like closer like a year and a half
10:50
Yeah, I would think given given given the fact
10:52
that even the king has to dip his hand
10:54
in maggots. Mm-hmm Just to keep a finger. This
10:57
is a wonderful. Would you rather? Would
10:59
you rather lose a finger or
11:01
half the soak in palm olive? made
11:05
of maggots So he's been
11:07
staring at his empty train set for almost
11:10
a year and a half by Westeros you standards,
11:12
right? According to
11:14
my conversion scale and
11:16
he's getting pressured to remarry which you know,
11:18
it's he's the king You
11:20
know, he he's got an heir but
11:23
clearly people aren't happy with the heir
11:25
he chose, right? and so
11:28
the suggestion is is that he is gonna
11:31
marry a 12
11:35
year old who looks like an eight-year-old So
11:38
again playing a different game of would you
11:40
rather? They
11:43
had to find a wife young enough to
11:45
enjoy a train set without train I
11:49
love the idea that she's just marrying him for the doll, huh?
11:51
I Tell
11:55
you what man It
11:58
takes a lot to gross me out. I
12:00
mean I it takes up especially with the
12:02
money. Went with it with a when maggots
12:04
as like maybe third. It's
12:07
like Game of Thrones is in a
12:09
torture and and says and all this
12:12
stuff but I'll tell you what them
12:14
him walking through the garden. And.
12:17
Just talking with that little girl.
12:20
And everyone's watching. Be
12:23
a great honor to selling
12:25
our house as they weren't
12:27
alone I was just many
12:29
children as tears alarming love
12:31
set up real nice. Thanks
12:33
Anyway alone on around. Is
12:36
that what your father taught? It's. What
12:43
did your mother to? I
12:46
would a skull thousand and how I. Can Social.
12:54
That was one of the grocer's things
12:56
I saw in the super cringing turn
12:59
off Horrible. Any notes on even like
13:01
this, you know that he's uncomfortable with.
13:03
It's like everyone feels like this is
13:05
really kind of gross, but it's the
13:07
king and everyone's chemical that was and
13:09
that was an interesting way to take
13:12
this right. because we we've already. you
13:14
know, even leading up to this than
13:16
other pica we talked about how I
13:18
came from what we know of no,
13:20
the Tar Gary in history we're gonna
13:23
have to you. Know. Buckle.
13:25
Up because there's certain things that
13:27
are just sitting like that's just
13:29
their lifestyle. But it was interesting
13:31
how that the choice was made
13:33
for from the riders to to
13:35
still draw some level of squeamishness
13:37
ow ow movie across the board
13:40
like it with in ah this
13:42
the of the universe right? So
13:44
what will you? How is the
13:46
game? Find a sister to marry?
13:48
Find that law among us History
13:50
lesson that would be better than
13:52
this. Rights I did appreciate that
13:54
the. And into the couldn't on the other
13:56
way when they could have just will. Okay,
13:58
this is just the way it goes and
14:01
been very mad. The fact about it, I
14:03
mean I think that tells a different story
14:05
and I think of. To be perfectly honest,
14:07
I think that's a story that many people
14:09
would recoil from an ink from a presentation
14:11
standpoint you have that you have to have
14:13
some sort of a moral compass with regards
14:15
to this and products on. Hello
14:17
I am. It's like it's the i can
14:19
have a cavalier attitude towards this across the
14:21
board I think that seemingly the whole scene
14:23
was very innocent and sake. It's. It's
14:26
the king. It's. In public, they're
14:28
walking to the garden. He's clearly by
14:30
the end of the walk. he's close.
14:32
He decided not to marry the girl,
14:34
right? Nothing quite as innocent as a
14:37
twelve year old time and older king
14:39
that does that. They don't have to
14:41
bed for another two years isn't Yeah
14:43
and then, But even so, it's like
14:45
everything you know. Nothings consummated. There's no
14:47
A, but the whole thing just feels
14:49
really wrong. While that whole
14:51
scene was essentially maggots, Fight!
14:55
In spite Silva vs really brag about
14:57
like look like you said, just walk
14:59
and they're just they're just wriggling. But.
15:03
We know what they get, what what that
15:05
would be com and what's that function as
15:07
and so it's it's really I think that
15:09
and and thing that made it the gross
15:11
this is that everyone. And
15:13
I mean Everyone. Is. Turn the
15:15
king that this is the best course of
15:17
action. Rain and and it's waves. Amazing like
15:19
how some was like. All.
15:22
The different motivations for right? You know some
15:24
folks are just like they like. hey we
15:26
broke it down the you know, we. We
15:30
brought in the ai and we
15:32
the swim with their every possible
15:34
scenario and really this is this
15:36
is the best possible of course
15:39
of action right now. Even
15:42
so much so, that were all fine with
15:44
him marrying a teenager afterwards. Or.
15:47
For you now it's like ugh,
15:49
guess at least seasonal teaming water
15:52
relief. Yeah
15:55
no I mean I don't know
15:57
that I was like a video
15:59
but. We sit in a wasn't
16:01
like the elephant know that we're basically
16:03
to resolve. Yeah, you're
16:06
right, and they are. And.
16:08
So yeah, sure you eat so sure
16:10
it is. There's a there's a bit
16:13
of relief by comparison right again plane
16:15
that would shoot rather than. And.
16:18
And as but this whole thing as rifle in
16:20
the I think that we were talking about some
16:22
of our own views on a but I think
16:25
it's worth really digging in. How ah. It.
16:28
To me this is such a a matter.
16:30
Of. Compelling. Threat
16:33
because of all the different
16:35
players and how everybody's play
16:37
in this case. And
16:40
well I was gonna say that.
16:42
It's. One of these things were. As
16:45
a king, there's a right course of
16:47
action. And as a human. Is
16:50
the exact wrong course of
16:52
action? true? I think it
16:54
is. It's actually kind of a hard thing to
16:56
do to prepare for series. Who. Are
16:59
kind of was smart on both
17:01
sides and an authentic like they
17:03
come by their decisions honestly on
17:05
both sides and. And.
17:07
You really see that's like the
17:09
king. The. King is about to
17:11
make a horrible political choice, and it's absolutely
17:13
the choice I would have made. Sure,
17:16
Because the only thing I share in common with
17:18
his guys? my humanity. And.
17:20
Everything about a hundred of me being
17:22
human thinks that's wrong, you know, But
17:24
it's interesting to like the I'm. So.
17:26
You have, You have Auto Hightower who's you?
17:29
don't have the King's as will have his
17:31
best interest of mine but this is. Not
17:33
in Not in not in terms of advising
17:35
the king right? Oh this is a bad
17:38
political move to put his daughter in the
17:40
room for sure. right? and it. But this
17:42
is all part of like this was this
17:44
was a plan. a high rise of this
17:46
this this really shows and then we I
17:49
think we knew an episode. One that auto
17:51
Hightower was was very clever. And
17:53
ah, I'm a little.
17:55
I'm a time when Lana survived coming off
17:58
this guy. I. Would? Yeah, The
18:00
even just the even lox and everything sort
18:02
of. It's kind of their am so so
18:04
as he put this has a sense this
18:07
and motion on. A real
18:09
hand of the king whose responsibility of
18:11
family to to support him as as
18:13
a person but ultimately you're supposed to
18:15
be supporting them as. Young
18:18
As as the game, As As
18:20
and in this role to print
18:22
to keep his position and his
18:24
line intact and this is this
18:26
would be the opposite. He
18:28
would advise against the way he played
18:30
the king in terms of like when
18:32
he was asking his opinion like oh
18:34
yeah no this doesn't really does make
18:37
a lot of fans about the me
18:39
that he plays his own hand like
18:41
but I know for me the idea
18:43
of after my wife path mary out
18:45
of compulsion or obligations as didn't set
18:48
like his he'd he'd knows yeah he
18:50
says the exact he doesn't say like
18:52
you shouldn't marry her but he says
18:54
just enough to can a plant the
18:56
idea that the kings mind. That like
18:59
for because he knows he knows enough
19:01
about the king and his motivations roads.
19:03
And. So he knows which but buttons to push
19:05
with. Which is fascinating because the king. Does.
19:09
Not have a king thinks he has agency,
19:11
but he clearly has not. While
19:14
that reminded me of that line from
19:16
Dame Into Again in a previous episode is
19:18
like I would protect you if I
19:20
was him the cat gray and is
19:22
a perfect protect me from what me so
19:24
I would protect you from yourself and
19:26
I was thinking. That's
19:28
what auto to Hightower refuses
19:30
to do. He says going
19:33
to allow the came to
19:35
like make these human choices.
19:38
That. damon's her gary and would
19:40
absolutely advise against i guess as
19:42
hum reading but the but but
19:44
beyond that it's not that it's
19:46
not that are hightower is either
19:49
too close to the king so
19:51
he's allowing for it or he's
19:53
fielding to the kings more internal
19:55
instincts it's it's the auto hightower
19:57
as an agenda here and it's
20:00
It's working for sweet not he'll
20:02
protect him in so much as it helps out of high
20:04
tower as well. Oh sure
20:06
no he's there he's absolutely which i
20:08
think is a great reveal in this
20:11
episode because i think it we get now we
20:13
get you know it's so easy to say will
20:15
dame and target is is the bad and that's
20:17
what game of thrones does so well anyway is
20:19
like you know who do you trust and who's.
20:22
Who's bad are they all bad or is it
20:24
all bad guys act
20:27
nobly and good guys
20:29
will. Make mistakes and
20:31
do horrible things and who's who's who's
20:33
more sinister the one that sits on
20:35
the throne blatantly and challenges the
20:37
king at every turn out the
20:39
open or the one that's it set aside
20:41
and says that he has his best interest in mind. Well
20:44
that's the other thing i feel like demons
20:46
not a great political mind i think we
20:49
saw that in this episode. Right
20:52
yeah so i don't think he's having a
20:54
solution is for him to be handed king
20:56
but. Clearly auto high
20:58
tower is putting his own political
21:01
advancement above the king
21:03
in the realm right so he's the exact
21:05
wrong hand of the king. Yeah
21:08
oh for sure but he's in
21:10
the best position possible right to be
21:12
able to enacted a plan. Again
21:16
she and then of taiwan right right
21:18
and then you've got you know and then meanwhile you have.
21:22
The coreless. Good
21:25
it's alright so storyline number two let me just
21:27
do will just jump right in here. This
21:29
is the sea snake storyline coreless
21:32
lord coreless valerian is pissed
21:34
off that more isn't being
21:37
done about cragas dahar. Seems
21:40
that the crab beater has attacked a
21:42
valerian ship later the sea snake apologizes
21:44
and proposes a marriage between the king
21:46
and his 12 year old daughter. Corliss
21:50
is offended when the king
21:52
refuses and seeks an alliance
21:54
with damon according to lord
21:56
coreless damon can prove his
21:58
worth by taking. down
22:00
the crab feeder. Alright,
22:02
so what you were going to say? Man,
22:05
again talk about the way that they all know
22:07
how to appeal to and play Viserys
22:13
because, you know, Corlys comes in
22:15
hot, he wants action, he wants
22:19
the king to make a decision to send
22:21
a message and all this stuff, and then later when he
22:23
goes to make his proposal, I mean, deferential,
22:28
apologetic, and
22:30
the king doesn't, you know, the previous
22:32
kings that we've seen in these universes would have
22:34
just been like, too little too late, you're off
22:36
the council kind of thing. Nobody comes in here
22:38
and shows me, like, it could have been a
22:40
variety, but he's just so like, he appeals to
22:42
his mercy, right? Yeah,
22:45
his cousin says in another part of
22:48
the episode, she says, and your father
22:50
is no fool, right? Right.
22:52
And I think that's kind of true. I don't
22:55
think he is a fool. I actually think that
22:57
he's got a kind of wisdom that would make
22:59
him really valuable as some other
23:02
office in the kingdom, but
23:04
I think that he absolutely suffers
23:06
fools. Well, that's the thing. There's
23:09
a lot about him that you would
23:11
say, that's the kind of king you
23:13
might want, but you
23:16
do need to have a good
23:19
council that has not
23:21
just the king's best interest in mind, but the
23:23
realm's best interest, and that's how they operate, right?
23:26
The king would be the one to say, okay,
23:28
but what about, like, if he could bring up,
23:30
like, a moral discussion or whatever, but like, when
23:32
he comes down to it, like, he's constantly asking,
23:34
like, again, you want to seek counsel, but then
23:37
there comes a point where it's like, at some
23:39
point, the king does need, the buck stops with
23:41
you. And so we see
23:43
that when he chooses Alicent, but it's
23:45
still, you know, and the irony of that whole thing
23:47
is like, ah, he did something to show that he
23:49
had agency, and he kind of bucked all
23:51
the advice. It's like, but he didn't, right? I
23:54
mean, ultimately, he still did, he kind
23:57
of lured into high towers. Yeah, he
23:59
got... Yeah, he got he thought it
24:01
was his own choice, right? It was
24:03
really what what auto I was thinking
24:05
about contrasting this episode with
24:09
The choice he makes last episode. Mm-hmm I
24:11
think that the maesters and everyone in the
24:13
kingdom would say oh, no, you
24:15
absolutely have to choose the air You you you've
24:17
got a chance for a male heir here Sorry
24:21
about your wife, but she's got to go you
24:23
got it. You've got to make the choice for the
24:25
baby I think he does make that choice in support
24:28
of the kingdom that at least that's what he thinks
24:30
he's doing Right in this episode.
24:32
It's like I tried it. I tried doing
24:34
that I'm gonna choose what
24:36
I think is right based on sort
24:38
of my own sense of morality here
24:41
I'm gonna choose the woman Who
24:44
I have some kind of relationship
24:47
with who isn't seven years old,
24:49
you know, yeah and like
24:52
Given the idea that like look he says
24:56
you know, I loved your mother
24:58
and you
25:00
have another You
25:02
see the juxtaposition when when Damon talks about his wife
25:04
Why he wants to take a second wife and whether
25:06
or not you trust Damon at this point But I
25:09
think that there is some truth to what he was
25:11
saying. I didn't choose her and choose my
25:13
wife and and so
25:15
there is so it's a nice way that
25:17
the the writers can add like
25:20
This is I think we talked about before about
25:22
like trusting your audience and some of the issues
25:24
that we may have had with the first episode
25:26
in terms of like I see it connected to
25:28
this connected to that like It may be a
25:30
little bit too on the nose. Where's this?
25:33
There's these nice little subtle things that remind
25:35
you That like there's a difference
25:37
if he to say that he loved his wife After
25:41
the fact especially and if granted he's talking to his
25:43
daughter, but I believe him You know
25:45
there was a uniqueness to that relationship and
25:48
if he's going to marry again, and he said look it's only
25:50
been six months if he was truly mission-minded
25:53
and Understood lineage
25:55
and preserving the name
25:59
He would kind of suck up it up a little bit and be like, all right,
26:01
it's time to get married. Look, this is duty. But
26:03
for him, marriage wasn't just duty. Whereas
26:06
we see that, like I said, the
26:08
juxtaposition with Damon's reference, like I didn't
26:10
choose my wife shows that
26:12
that's, that's the culture. So he's
26:14
already bucking the culture. So it
26:16
does make sense that he would choose Alison again,
26:19
you know, Hey, maybe give it another six months
26:21
and see what happens to get out there, you
26:23
know, get on
26:25
whatever app Westeros has for
26:27
this type of thing. Right.
26:30
Well, I just keep on connecting with Dornish
26:32
women. And that's just not my type. I
26:37
should say, I
26:39
mean, it's, it's an obvious point, but it
26:41
should be made. We
26:44
saw a lot of marriages in
26:46
the first series, no
26:50
marriage that was ever sort
26:52
of for love ever ends
26:54
well. Right. True. True. Right.
26:56
So you've got Rob, Rob,
26:59
you know, he decides to marry for
27:01
love and the, the red winning happens,
27:04
you know, Tyrion decides to marry the
27:06
crafter's daughter and, you know, no,
27:10
no marriage based on love.
27:12
And then of course, John and Danny at
27:14
the end, you know, it's,
27:17
it's just in this world, in
27:19
Martin's world, if
27:21
you don't use marriage for a
27:23
political purpose, you're foolish. Something
27:26
horrible is going to happen. And I think that that's
27:28
what's going, I think that that's what the story is
27:30
trying to tell. Well, just by virtue of what it's,
27:32
what it, what it's going to set in motion. Right.
27:35
Like, I mean, as
27:37
cringy as it was in the world that's been laid out
27:39
in front of us, the
27:42
idea that, that
27:44
you could unify the houses to get
27:48
and again, that assumes that that's the end of
27:50
that story. But clearly went once Corliss's
27:53
reaction shows that like, kind of
27:55
called the bluff in some ways.
27:57
Yeah. Yeah. Corliss was not, I'm
28:00
looking for the greater good. He.
28:02
He's looking for a for another
28:04
another waiting to to keep the
28:06
door open for. well. He's an
28:08
interesting character for me because he
28:10
has all of the pride of
28:13
an old house Rain. And
28:15
if it isn't, if it was just for
28:18
that one little thing, that one little detail.
28:20
Dragons. The wasn't
28:22
for that one little detail. A dragon's
28:24
he and the world would be as
28:27
oyster right? So it is kind of
28:29
interesting to see him. Tried to. Outmaneuver.
28:34
All. These dragon riders who I mean
28:36
I guess you know you you get
28:38
game and targeting with it with no
28:41
dragon because he still pretty good swordsman
28:43
or whatever. but it's like. He's.
28:46
near near of for it open for they
28:48
say we don't bring a sword to a
28:50
dragon fact that st se this is better
28:52
deal i wanted at ask about this been
28:55
at the ends. And. Isn't the
28:57
sort of their time tells? Damon's not
28:59
the best political mind, but if you
29:01
give him Corliss on his team. Then.
29:04
All the sudden he has this new
29:06
super power. has corners. Not just like
29:08
Man of action, he's also got a
29:11
political mind as well. And.
29:13
And so maybe that kind
29:15
of tempers some of those
29:17
impulses that Damon otherwise has,
29:19
right And and the advantage
29:21
of having dame. And obviously,
29:23
as you've got, ah, You.
29:26
Have a bit of an army. We got a big
29:28
old dragon now like that's the one thing I listened
29:30
to. Could never get. An
29:32
and you do the have at
29:35
least the appearance of and and
29:37
air. And there's an air of
29:39
an heir to him, right? So
29:43
that helps that eight you know again
29:45
that's a Politically eyes and optics. It's
29:47
an optic think from the political perspective
29:49
that has positive that that it's helpful
29:51
Corliss like is that with a plan
29:54
with given he was he had a
29:56
plan and them and viscera sort of
29:58
usurped it. weather It was
30:00
because he was clever or just because he
30:02
was impetuous or who knows right? I mean
30:04
it's trying to figure out what because
30:07
I think this heiress is really worth examining because
30:09
I and this is a character that I didn't
30:11
know that I was gonna be as interested in
30:13
as I mean again only two episodes in but
30:15
right the nuance of like
30:18
is he Is
30:20
he too good for his own good is he is
30:22
he? You
30:25
know, what is it right? I mean because Kings
30:27
oftentimes, you know, like yeah, they have their councils
30:29
but they also have their egos and his ego
30:31
may be baked into his immunity and
30:34
that might be an even more problematic
30:36
Issue. It's interesting. Do
30:38
you have a sense or a
30:40
visceral reaction to the crab feeder
30:43
guy? I'm
30:47
cautiously optimistic there's
30:50
a part of me that's like this feels like
30:52
a street fighter villain in like Vega or I
30:57
You know, it's it's the Phantom of
30:59
the ocean Medieval
31:03
leatherface Phantom of the ocean is
31:06
the winner today I
31:15
I keep I'm gonna say this again and maybe
31:17
I'll say this every episode but I I do
31:20
miss the It's sort of
31:22
a show devoid of warmth or levity Okay,
31:26
and again, I was like you're bringing
31:28
you can bring in someone like Corliss
31:30
and Have
31:33
him, you know, give him a little
31:35
bit more personality How
31:37
about how about how about a joke or two? How about
31:40
how about a character? That
31:43
isn't Machiavellian. I don't know I
31:46
keep thinking back to like, you
31:48
know When John meets you grit how much we
31:51
love that or you know, are you on the
31:53
hound on the road? Or
31:56
you know, so in the first two episodes of
31:58
Game of Thrones again refresh my memory. Where
32:00
did we got some levity? Rad really
32:02
began to see like the kids we
32:04
have lots of four or five one
32:07
liners, some teary and rain rally so
32:09
yeah we had brand climbing trees. we
32:11
had email John giving Aria needle for
32:13
the first time. This is all kind
32:15
of like I I know who to
32:18
root for in a show like that.
32:21
So. I think that
32:23
we're supposed to be some
32:25
degree of levity when that
32:27
choosing a third of the
32:29
guard read up on its
32:31
lack of effect. Of. Our
32:34
tiger had this I write. This
32:36
first guard that they are
32:39
interviewing in. Dude. Like.
32:42
This is the first rule of
32:44
interviewing you gotta had. Just say
32:46
something. Like
32:48
if you have to talk a lot you don't want to
32:50
you on over talk. But.
32:52
I feel like saying something
32:55
would be advantageous for. His
32:58
leg he went to like whatever his the
33:00
but ever and website he went to for
33:02
added mail your interviewer and is like a
33:05
good if if if you're concerned if you're
33:07
nervous just to be to stand strong to
33:09
stand down to stare down and will give
33:11
you the jobs. I
33:15
mean he he dress the part I mean
33:17
he really dressed up. For this
33:19
interview. Right and wrong
33:22
address that is on time on his
33:24
and home. With. It but then when
33:26
it came right I collected they were they say
33:28
a lot of times this if you don't have
33:30
like a really good example it's okay to say
33:32
and. Can. I come
33:34
back to this question. I seem to think
33:36
on a similar like that's the way to
33:38
do it but or you just stand there.
33:41
Sarah's their Adam the without being the worst
33:43
yeah as the second best apps feel like
33:45
he went home to his wife and he
33:47
is like to do to get the job
33:49
was eight now. Once. Again
33:51
I lost that the somebody who low
33:53
chatter than me. And
33:56
he had told you you happened and did you get asked a
33:58
question. Did
34:00
you get asked the question? Well
34:03
yeah, but did you answer it? Honey, you didn't
34:05
answer again, didn't you? Hahahaha Oh,
34:08
this guy.
34:12
And I'm just thinking like, maybe he wanted to answer,
34:14
but I'm sort of like, Look, we've spent all the
34:16
money on the dragons. You got no lines. Yeah,
34:20
again, one
34:23
of the things that I look, HBO's, things
34:26
didn't go great with the end of Game of Thrones,
34:28
so we're gonna give you, we're gonna give you great.
34:30
We're gonna give you great effects budgets, we're gonna give
34:32
you wonderful costuming budgets, but we're gonna give you way
34:34
more extras. I wanna
34:36
go all over, like no no, we're gonna focus
34:38
in on one family. And
34:41
most of the nights are just background. Here's
34:43
the rule, if you bring in a guy in
34:45
bright yellow, he's a little bit jowly. No
34:49
lines. No lines. Right,
34:51
you can't have yellow and
34:53
jowls and lines. Hahahaha
34:58
Alright, so Kristin gets the job,
35:00
and he's allowed to talk. I
35:02
think that that's a great benefit.
35:05
Yeah, huge benefit. For
35:07
almost any job. Oh,
35:09
the other part of it that I thought was interesting was, so, Otto
35:13
wants to use this appointment for
35:15
political ends. He's like, I can
35:17
make a lord happy if I
35:20
choose the lord's oldest
35:22
son or something like that. Renier is
35:24
thinking more practically, she's like, can
35:27
he fight? I wanna know if he can fight. And
35:30
so, she chooses a guy who can fight,
35:32
and Otto's sort of second guessing her. Right.
35:35
But then when it comes time to
35:38
go confront Damon at Dragonstone, who does
35:40
he take with him? Right,
35:42
right. He takes with him the guy that
35:44
he knows would defeat Damon in the tourney.
35:48
So it's sort of this validation for Renier's
35:50
choice in the end. Is
35:52
it? I mean, that's a good question though. I mean, I
35:54
think on the surface that's what I would take it as.
35:56
Like, hey, well, is it a, well, this is who I've
35:58
got because he was... assigned or
36:01
is it also like I know this
36:03
will also go to Damon
36:06
even to make a right
36:09
because if you know that Damon is
36:11
as we talked about in the previous
36:13
podcast if he's vulnerable if
36:15
he's insecure it makes him a little more volatile
36:18
right which means that any plan he may have
36:20
had might be for it and I think we
36:22
see that and I think we see what happens
36:24
is that he comes in with a plan and
36:27
it got sorted pretty easy right
36:30
and because he didn't even
36:33
consult with with his woman
36:36
I didn't even tell her what the plan was like
36:38
oh I'm pregnant
36:41
now is that the story you've been
36:43
telling people I'm pregnant huh so
36:46
this is the whole thing this was your whole
36:48
eggplant so
36:51
I think if there was so much revealed in
36:55
that and so when you think about high towers
36:58
political motivations but he you know he makes sure
37:00
that the king stays behind but he
37:03
again he says he does that because he wants to go
37:05
you know because the king is too valuable and so I
37:07
start you this is this is when I when you asked
37:09
last week you feel like you're
37:11
watching Game of Thrones this week
37:14
I did right because
37:16
of that because any time that like so now that high
37:18
towers there to protect the king I still like is he
37:20
or is he trying to get the damn in is he
37:22
trying was he trying to do there right
37:24
like is he just trying to stop them like
37:27
what's his plan he knows he's got a dragon
37:30
but I was gonna ask you that question I was gonna
37:32
ask you like does
37:34
high tower one excuse
37:36
to kill Damon and
37:39
if so what does he think he's gonna do
37:42
about the dragon yeah
37:44
so that part with that part I wasn't quite
37:46
sure because you know that that's a
37:48
reality but I don't I
37:51
don't think it didn't seem to
37:53
me that that he was really in there
37:56
to to battle
37:58
them necessarily But I don't
38:01
know what the next thing would have
38:03
been. Well you brought up the point, like why
38:05
bring Chris and Cole if
38:08
you don't think that you're going to use that
38:10
guy to provoke Damon?
38:13
And I feel like this is a guy you, maybe
38:16
you're counting on him
38:18
acting rashly, right? Yeah,
38:21
Damon does something and now he's killed one of your
38:23
guards. I mean like if you want to talk about,
38:26
because the term sedition came up, right? And
38:29
if, you know, clearly they got him for
38:32
stealing this dragon
38:34
egg and then if he kills one
38:37
of the guards, you know,
38:39
that seems like you got a lot. I mean if
38:41
you want to take this to more
38:44
of a political end, it's
38:46
hard to argue, right? I mean
38:48
now it's, regardless
38:52
of who he is and what his last
38:54
name is, there may be a bridge too
38:57
far, right? Right now sounds a little
38:59
bit like Mar-a-Lago right now. Yeah,
39:04
that was them with their warrant. They
39:10
got a redacted egg back. I'm
39:12
the rightful heir, man. I'm the rightful heir. This is
39:14
my egg. This is my egg, which is
39:16
my egg from the beginning. I
39:18
told him he could keep the train set and
39:22
I could have any egg. Just go
39:24
ask him. Just ask him. I
39:26
said. I thought you didn't want him to come, but you knew who'd
39:28
have been like, oh, that's right, the train set. So
39:32
this is my favorite scene of
39:35
the episode. Because... When
39:37
Reneira shows up? When she shows up.
39:43
I think it could have gone wrong
39:45
in any number of ways, but you kind of...she
39:47
kind of...what card is she
39:49
really playing? I don't think she's playing the
39:51
dragon card. I think she's walking up to
39:53
him and sort of daring him to do
39:56
what he is threatening to
40:00
do and that is to you know become the
40:02
new heir you think you're the real heir all
40:04
right here I am what are you
40:06
gonna do about it? I'm right here uncle
40:11
the object of your ire the
40:14
reason that you were disinherited if
40:17
you wish to be restored as heir you need
40:19
to kill me just
40:23
do it and be
40:25
done with all this bother and
40:28
I think that the first episode really establishes that
40:30
they have a relationship where they respect
40:32
each other and so
40:35
when she stares him down like that
40:38
you kind of get the sense that he feels
40:40
like well I think I think she's got checkmate
40:43
here I don't know what I'm gonna do I
40:45
think I gotta get back to his egg that's
40:48
the ultimate because that's the whole thing like think
40:51
about it's just like okay if this
40:53
is your plan and that's one thing that this plan
40:55
had been you know six
40:57
months ago or
40:59
seven months ago but now I
41:01
am I have been declared the
41:03
heir right so now you want
41:05
my position and the only way
41:07
you are getting it is if
41:10
I'm out of the picture and
41:12
since you're willing to go this far are
41:14
you willing to take the next step and
41:17
the thing that was fascinating is that it
41:20
happens out in public and
41:22
she switches from Targaryen to the common
41:24
tongue right yes that was that was
41:26
gonna be my next point so she
41:29
actually is yeah she establishes the conversation
41:31
we are equals
41:33
we both speak Hyvalarian but
41:36
then when she says here I am on the
41:38
object of your ire just strike
41:40
me down she says it
41:42
for everyone to hear right yeah common tongue
41:44
so and so he gets back into a
41:47
corner and it
41:50
just goes to the egg toss and
41:52
I just that scene is is
41:54
pretty wonderful it's good because it does set
41:57
up that it sets up a lot and
41:59
it does does set up the ultimate,
42:01
and we're only two episodes in, and that level
42:04
of what we've seen, what we saw the relationship
42:06
wise in the first episode coming to this point
42:08
where it was like, all right, well, if we're
42:10
gonna do this, this is where it has to
42:12
go, and we can do it right now if
42:14
you want. It'll never be
42:16
easier. Right. And
42:19
it's interesting because you talk about, like
42:21
again, going back to his insecurity, maybe
42:23
his vulnerability, he's not
42:25
very strategic. I mean, he did not have an answer
42:27
for that. We had nothing. Okay,
42:29
let me ask you a hypothetical here. Let's
42:32
say the king does
42:34
go to Dragonstone. Let's say Viserys is
42:37
sort of up in his feelings, and he gets
42:39
on a ship, and he goes out to Dragonstone.
42:42
You're Daimon Targaryen. Do
42:44
you kill the king? Do you kill your brother? Do you think
42:47
he would have killed his brother? I
42:49
don't think he would have had to, because
42:51
I think there would have been an opportunity
42:54
for him to sort of play Viserys as
42:56
well, and I
42:58
think that might have been part of the
43:00
other reason why Otto Hightower goes out there,
43:03
is because the king can be swayed,
43:07
and sure, he may be fired up, but
43:11
we don't know how, from
43:17
a brother to brother perspective, how clever Daimon might
43:19
be. Like, Daimon doesn't have to be,
43:22
like his plan, I think, was essentially to have the king
43:24
show up. I think that's what he was setting up for.
43:26
I think so too, and I think he might have killed
43:28
him. Who do you
43:30
think so, huh? Well, I'm thinking like, let's say
43:32
he wants his brother out of the way. I
43:36
think he does still love his brother, but I think
43:39
he might think this is
43:41
the only way for
43:43
there to be a strong king on the throne. Well,
43:46
if he kills his brother, then it sets
43:48
into motion now. Rhaenra
43:52
is in charge. Yeah, I
43:54
think if that happens, he just... You
43:56
think it's a full coup? Yeah, I think
43:58
so, I think so. Oh that's what.
44:01
maybe he thought way it was gonna happen.
44:03
But. When she shows up, I don't
44:05
think he knows what to do. All
44:08
and it's and only them. I think that maybe he
44:10
might mammoth is. I don't know that he had a
44:12
great plan by think it's I think he was setting
44:14
up for. Appealing
44:17
to his brothers, Sensitivity.
44:20
Especially with regard to. The.
44:22
Whole plan about marrying. For. Love!
44:25
Oh interesting. I. Think I think
44:27
he I I think that would have
44:29
been maybe the the first move. Appeal
44:32
to that notion, Soften his brother up.
44:35
Get back in as good graces. Now
44:37
you're not. And and least you're not
44:39
now. Maybe exile the Dragon's eye. It's
44:42
almost becomes like and and negotiations that
44:44
in an auto hightower. Know that maybe
44:46
the king it may be susceptible Something
44:49
like that too. And so then that
44:51
sets the different because it because you
44:53
see later with his with Corazon Corliss
44:55
talk and all kinds of trash against
44:58
Osiris he demons of. Yeah.
45:00
I can do that. So. There isn't limited a
45:02
classic, you know? Hey, I can make one of
45:04
my family, but no one else can. So that
45:06
back to me, that was my indicator that maybe
45:08
he wasn't quite ready for that yet. Like like
45:11
there was still some degree or like look. I
45:13
may hate my brother, but to my brother, And.
45:16
Yeah, there was that sense. It's like you
45:18
can, I can talk trash but you can't.
45:21
Yeah, so I don't. I don't
45:23
know. For a be I target
45:25
I mean at a seminar good argument can
45:27
be made it away but that with my
45:29
rating was I don't know that I don't
45:31
think that that was the plan because of
45:33
the way that it was around the is
45:35
set up it with the such an emphasis
45:37
on marriage and and birthright things like that
45:39
signed A even though it was an insult
45:41
to take. Valence
45:44
New A right here. We
45:46
already covered some of story
45:48
line for hear. The
45:51
court is up in arms at the news
45:53
of assault on Dragon Egg. The serious learns
45:55
that it was his brother an era ass
45:57
which aig was taken. When. The king
45:59
finds out. that Daemon took his son's egg, he
46:02
wants to confront Daemon himself. Otto
46:04
however talks him out of it. Otto takes
46:06
20 men to Dragonstone where Daemon dares
46:09
the hand of the king to take the
46:11
egg from his hand. He allows his dragon
46:13
to menace the king's men and seems
46:16
intent on war. Rhaenarra
46:18
swoops in and stares him down. Then
46:21
Daemon is confronted by Masauria who
46:24
doesn't want children and doesn't want to live
46:26
in fear. Later on
46:28
he seems to consider the Sea Snake's proposal
46:30
to form an alliance. Masauria
46:33
is clearly more than a paramour right?
46:37
Right. I mean whatever
46:39
their relationship is she has some
46:42
degree of power in this
46:44
relationship. Yeah she
46:46
has his ear and it means
46:48
something. And it
46:50
was interesting because I think the first episode you
46:53
didn't get the sense like she had power over
46:55
him in that he allowed himself to be consoled
46:57
by her right? But
46:59
you heard a different kind of
47:01
voice from her this episode. So
47:06
I'm finding this relationship kind
47:08
of interesting because it's pretty
47:10
clear that Daemon has vulnerabilities
47:14
and one of them is that I think he's in
47:16
love with her. I think he's in love with his
47:18
paramour. And
47:21
yet he kind of lost this round and
47:23
now she's pissed off at him? Yeah
47:26
which we could only add to maybe
47:28
some of that instability right? Sure.
47:32
If the his avenue
47:35
for solace and
47:37
you know comfort becomes jeopardized
47:40
maybe by his own decisions it's like he's
47:43
running out of place with the turn because he gets further
47:46
isolated right? Right.
47:48
Right. So
47:51
she's interesting in that we
47:53
kind of established last episode that how
47:55
dangerous the birthing bed is. He
48:00
is intense to never
48:02
have children. If.
48:05
She's decided that I'm not gonna live in
48:07
fear and it seems like as accommodating they've
48:09
had before like I'm I'm not going to
48:11
live that life. right?
48:14
This. Is story lines three is
48:16
is called where near against the
48:18
world's. When. Eric and he's
48:20
be belittled. Her. Suggestion to
48:22
bring a show of force with dragons
48:25
at the steps is met with dismissal.
48:27
She second guess by auto and Detroit
48:29
for Chris and Coal. She isn't getting
48:32
the whole story from Alice and. She's.
48:34
Talked down to buy release it. Who
48:37
seems to reinforce the order of things
48:39
and westroads? And. Without
48:41
consulting anyone sees flies dream fire
48:43
to dragons down. For.
48:46
A showdown with Damon. She's.
48:48
Confronted by her father but winsome
48:50
over pretty quickly. He
48:52
learns of her father's new marriage.
48:55
To. Her best friend. Along with everyone
48:57
else and least the. So
49:00
I think that this is
49:02
kind of maybe the most
49:05
important part of the episode
49:07
because it establishes that this
49:09
girl who. Has. Been her
49:11
best friend for years. I'm I'm
49:13
imagining. It has kept this.
49:16
Massive secret from her. And.
49:18
Now her father is going to marry
49:20
her best friend. Yeah her best friend
49:23
becomes her stepmother. yeah I I I
49:25
just think of it or that seen
49:27
they kept on sort of the they
49:29
hung on her face long f b
49:31
to really get the sense that like
49:33
she's feeling betrayed by this. Right
49:36
from from every angle. And
49:38
yes, and I do get the sense
49:41
that she knows like I don't think
49:43
that my father's in the wrong. I
49:45
gave him permission to remarry. And.
49:47
Yet this is the worst possible thing that
49:49
could have happened. And eight. So either thing
49:52
I think that's interesting is like I love
49:54
the air. That. The back
49:56
and forth between her and rainy thrive.
49:58
And in that said, That's a lot up for,
50:00
I love that you do what the men
50:03
would rather torch. Put a torch, the realm
50:05
to a torch or something like that. Here
50:07
is the hard truth which no one else
50:09
has the heart to tell you. Men
50:13
would put the realm to the torch and
50:17
see a woman ascend the iron throne. And
50:21
she keeps bucking against it like, no, they didn't reject a
50:23
woman, they rejected you. Like
50:26
she's that, I'm a difference maker. It's different for
50:28
me. And I think part of that is, her
50:31
ambition part of that is being probably 15. So
50:36
all of that kind of comes crashing down
50:39
even though her father sort of took her
50:41
advice. Even though she had presented
50:44
herself throughout this episode as making
50:47
her own decisions for who's
50:49
going to be a
50:52
night's guard and her reasoning
50:54
was sound and she made the call. And
50:56
then she kind of saved the day with
50:59
showing up at Dragonstone and
51:02
then she gives her her
51:04
father. And her father has to kind of acknowledge
51:06
it. Like you're probably right. It probably would have
51:08
come to bloodshed if it was just that. And
51:11
then on top of that, then she gives him advice
51:13
that he takes. But she
51:15
didn't have all the information, right? And
51:19
so when it's all said and done, when she sees that, it's
51:21
like, well, I've been lied to,
51:24
I've been kind of
51:27
kept out of the loop here. And some of
51:29
those things that Rene said echo, they have to,
51:31
right? I mean, it's not just
51:34
about the men in charge,
51:36
but it's what women will do in
51:39
power as well or to preserve. That
51:41
was all part of that discussion, right?
51:43
And so she's just got... Well, Rene
51:45
says kind of the ultimate cynic at
51:47
this point, right? Because I really
51:49
do think that she was close enough to taste
51:51
it. And now
51:53
what's her nickname? The queen who never was.
51:56
Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's... lived
52:00
a life and she's lived in the
52:02
patriarchy long enough so that I think
52:04
that she kind of feels like I've
52:08
got to I really have
52:10
to tell this girl the truth she has
52:12
to learn the way the world
52:14
works at some point and
52:16
there's a there's a joy she gets in it
52:18
too right yeah there's that other side
52:20
of it is like you got the role that I
52:23
want and here's the thing it's like no I'm gonna
52:25
be a good auntie and
52:28
tell you that you're screwed tell
52:32
you all the reasons why you're wrong because
52:34
ultimately what it comes down to is I'm
52:36
jealous of your position but
52:39
hey I'm also giving you some say like
52:41
two things could be equally true here right
52:44
I'm giving you real talk and
52:46
I'm doing it in a way that makes
52:48
me feel good and I was getting a
52:50
little bit of Danny vibes when she's like
52:53
well when I'm clean I will remake the
52:55
order right right I'll change things when I'm
52:57
clean right actually yeah the idea of changing
52:59
the order right that's that's great so
53:02
that was I thought that was great the
53:07
fifth storyline we've already covered this
53:09
was the Kingsguard storyline and so
53:11
that leads us to dismemberment count
53:13
Steve hmm no
53:15
dismemberments pretty mild in fact
53:18
we even saved a finger in between
53:20
our best we're
53:23
doing our best to save the King's
53:25
fingers and then a cheek speak
53:27
over under I think I got this one
53:29
I took it under yeah yeah I don't
53:31
even know if we saw a dragon butthole
53:33
to be honest I think yeah I mean
53:36
even the the crab feeder his cheeks were
53:38
actually covered right so
53:40
okay so we
53:43
we focused on the on the guy
53:45
himself but I mean just
53:47
just crabs just gonna eat people I
53:50
think that they do warm I think that you
53:52
you think so anything I think that it like
53:54
a lot I'm not alive I don't know if
53:56
they will alive but I feel like like
53:59
I've seen on the beach
54:01
and crabs kind of going for it?
54:04
I don't know man. It
54:06
was a little goofy. All
54:09
the little clicking of the crabs. I
54:12
mean when I
54:14
say it, I mean it was effective especially because it
54:16
was pretty gory to watch it watch some of the
54:18
crabs going in and doing
54:20
the thing but but I was just
54:23
like huh crabs.
54:26
I mean I know I always figured
54:28
crabs would be a problem in this
54:30
universe but. Alright so then here's the
54:32
question like I look at those
54:34
crabs and I'm thinking like I
54:36
would eat a crab. I would definitely I
54:38
but the question is would I eat a crab
54:42
that has been feeding on a human
54:44
corpse? Mmm and then they brought up
54:46
the other questions like have I ever already
54:49
eaten a crab? I think I'm just
54:51
gonna say yes. I'm not gonna quit
54:53
on these things. I just love crab.
54:55
I love crab. Yeah. So I
54:57
don't care if it's eaten human corpse
54:59
or not. I think I'm
55:01
with you. Yeah I do. I do like like
55:03
me some crab. So
55:06
you know when we talk about when
55:09
we did the rewatch and you know I was
55:11
you know you know again I was magic
55:14
hesitant. Yeah. And
55:17
then you know we got a smoke baby and I'm
55:19
kind of like you know what ever you want. And
55:23
so I think the crab while
55:25
these weren't magic crabs. If you
55:27
don't remember we're talking about what
55:29
Melisandre birth the shadow
55:31
demon from her womb. So yeah
55:33
so you were not. Yeah but it
55:35
was a shadow demon later but
55:37
it was born to smoke baby. Okay
55:42
so so yeah all right so continue
55:44
you were thinking. So I you
55:47
know even though I've accepted dragons I had
55:49
to remember like there's gonna you know we're
55:51
in a fantasy world and
55:53
if I could if I could tolerate a
55:56
smoke baby I think I have to tolerate
55:58
a that
56:00
has an army of crap. Well,
56:03
I was thinking this episode, I was thinking,
56:05
I missed the magic. Like, you
56:08
remove the dragons, this is
56:10
basically a political thriller, which is fine. You
56:12
know, it's always sort of been an element
56:14
of Game of Thrones. And
56:16
yet, I do feel like,
56:19
as a fan of fantasy lit, I'm kind of waiting
56:22
for the magic. Again,
56:24
I think you gotta just
56:26
be on board with the fact that I
56:30
don't know that he summons crabs. But I like
56:32
to think that there may be a point where
56:34
he gets all the crabs to come together to
56:36
form like one giant crab, like the Constructor Khans.
56:39
And that giant
56:42
crab will take on a dragon, and it's
56:44
going to feel a lot like a... Well,
56:46
that would be great, because you could
56:49
punch through, like a dragon could
56:51
use its tail to whip through
56:53
the crab. But
56:55
because it's just made up of tiny little crabs,
56:59
then they form all these little,
57:01
maybe medium-sized crabs. And they're just
57:05
a Voltron of crabs. That's
57:07
what we want. We want a Voltron
57:09
of crabs. Well,
57:12
I know they just renewed Season 2, so hopefully
57:14
they're listening. I'd
57:19
be remiss if we didn't ask
57:21
the question, how do you feel
57:23
about title sequence? Yeah, a little
57:25
underwhelming. Glad
57:28
to have the old Game of Thrones music back. Okay,
57:32
so that's another question. I mean, you're cool with just
57:34
the same old music. I think so. I feel
57:37
like, honestly, most people are going
57:39
to skip ahead anyway, right? They
57:42
shouldn't, because there's changes, right? I'm sure it's going to
57:44
change like the other one did. Why
57:47
would it change? It's just blood flowing. But
57:52
it's flowing through different areas, right? And
57:57
different symbols are coming up. You're
58:00
supposed to you're supposed to be the the one
58:02
that could walk me through that because of your
58:05
extensive knowledge Yeah, I didn't quite get it.
58:07
I'll be honest. I didn't quite get the
58:09
whole blood through the channels thing It
58:13
did remind me in the first novel.
58:15
Aria has a dream of King's
58:17
Landing where the the walls are
58:19
full of blood and it's kind of starts bubbling
58:21
out of the walls and I
58:24
kind of thought oh, this is kind of cool I kind
58:26
of reminds you of that dream Aria had but
58:28
then I Kind of got
58:30
the sense that this is all about
58:33
sort of the Targaryen lineage That's
58:36
what I kind of figured right now. I thought it
58:38
was gonna have that chance Hey, I don't think that
58:40
that changes at all. I think the lineage stays the
58:42
same I don't think we're gonna see the title sequence
58:44
change sure because because there's gonna be some high tower
58:48
The tributary. No, maybe I think
58:50
this entire first season of the sales say I
58:52
mean I could be wrong, but I think it's
58:54
gonna be That's my guess.
58:56
It's gonna be the same the whole season Yeah,
59:00
this will be this will be a point of
59:02
contention between Heather and I because she is a
59:05
she's traditionally a skip intro person And
59:07
I am famously I will listen
59:09
to the entire threes company Theme
59:13
song regardless of how many times I've
59:15
seen the episode well, and I feel
59:17
like with the old title sequence I
59:20
would watch because I was kind of curious to
59:22
see especially when it was starting to latter
59:24
seasons started to change If
59:28
it's just gonna be this I'll skip it every time Hmm.
59:31
I don't yeah, I think you should I'm gonna say
59:33
stay tuned. All right. I'll watch it just just because
59:36
maybe maybe not I'll keep my eyes on it. Maybe
59:38
not this season, but I mean you don't want to
59:40
be the one to be like Oh what it's switched
59:42
when it's with okay. Let's get you on the record episode
59:46
three Cheek-speak over
59:48
under oh We're
59:51
due we okay, so just remind people the rules
59:55
The amount of people with actual
59:57
dialogue in the show that reveal.
1:00:00
A. Cheek or two. And.
1:00:02
Then of course he was gonna choose and
1:00:05
over under here he I'm as I'm sorry
1:00:07
I'm gonna go even higher. I'm saying five
1:00:09
I think we're due for some so you're
1:00:11
saying to full moons and aside cheek and.
1:00:14
Yet. Or that would give you five. So
1:00:16
five or over. There
1:00:18
and you got it right. I think
1:00:20
I think you're I think we're probably
1:00:22
do so I think I'm going to
1:00:25
take the over with you aka and
1:00:27
we'll see if for see how we
1:00:29
do. So far so far I've got
1:00:31
I'm I'm one up yes. I
1:00:33
am. You are the other cheek massive.
1:00:37
And Mr of Cheeks. Little
1:00:42
high rate of you will. Affect.
1:00:49
So. I would you? How do
1:00:51
you rate this episode? Oh we didn't do that
1:00:53
and so glad you're my me. Suit,
1:00:57
I'm gonna say Danny Plus one.
1:01:00
Okay would either unknown Danny plus
1:01:02
three. Oh, you're
1:01:04
Dinklage Rains! I.
1:01:06
Know I know I am latest
1:01:08
one alive. Oh I did a
1:01:10
lot and I think maybe it
1:01:12
is the i'm like I said.
1:01:15
Oh. I feel like I feel like a much
1:01:17
a Game of Thrones against. I might have
1:01:19
been more of that on the as the
1:01:21
release back and forth of I was was
1:01:23
excellent and I was like i yeah I
1:01:25
was called again and it it I was
1:01:27
I was like this is going to be
1:01:29
like to me like that the best back
1:01:31
and forth a the Efsa and then. The.
1:01:34
Dame and right I'll take toss that
1:01:36
homework the up with as a wow
1:01:38
that's really really good and them and
1:01:40
you know. And and even though I
1:01:42
felt like they didn't need to do
1:01:44
that slow pan at the end with
1:01:47
the Corliss a guy who who like
1:01:49
does not enough characters for me to
1:01:51
go like I wonder who he's talking
1:01:53
to him after. he
1:01:56
thought we couldn't be an
1:01:58
but i i did I
1:02:00
think that was a really good way to
1:02:02
get into it. And I will reiterate that
1:02:04
walk through the garden with the
1:02:06
king and Elena. I just
1:02:08
thought that got me feeling
1:02:11
all kinds of gross. And
1:02:14
all right, I think you talked me up. I
1:02:16
think I'm gonna go Danny plus two. You talked
1:02:18
me up a rank here. I think
1:02:20
it was a really good episode. And I
1:02:22
know that there are reviews from people
1:02:27
that are already six episodes in, right?
1:02:29
A lot of these, the bigger. Yeah,
1:02:31
a few of our podcast buddies got
1:02:34
screeners, right? And there's
1:02:36
different, one of
1:02:38
the things I keep hearing is I miss
1:02:40
the amount of characters. It just feels like
1:02:42
it's too insultuous
1:02:46
in terms of the interest. And
1:02:49
to be honest, I'm kind of okay with that. I
1:02:51
think that I'm curious. I think I agree with the
1:02:53
critics on this one. I feel like I need
1:02:58
to be introduced to some family that's
1:03:03
away from King's Landing or
1:03:05
some commoner that lives in
1:03:07
the city or someone that
1:03:10
can bring a little bit of levity. When
1:03:13
we did our rewatch of Game of
1:03:15
Thrones, we talked about this being in
1:03:17
the desert and you need just
1:03:20
that touch of cool water, just that
1:03:22
drop of cool water. I
1:03:25
feel like we've gotten zero.
1:03:28
Zero, first two episodes. I think
1:03:30
I'll need it, but I think setting
1:03:32
this new story up
1:03:36
is I'm willing to be patient.
1:03:39
I will need some of that later,
1:03:41
but this
1:03:43
is going, this is so intricate
1:03:45
so far in terms of
1:03:48
how the political intrigue goes. And
1:03:50
because it is so close, it feels even more
1:03:52
sinister. But yeah, I definitely could see the need
1:03:55
for a little more
1:03:57
levity. And I Know that we're gonna do
1:03:59
a time jump. Some point which also
1:04:01
take some of the a childlike qualities
1:04:03
out of some Allison then I think
1:04:05
so. And I will be honest, I've
1:04:08
really enjoyed Young Our Sins and I'm
1:04:10
not young us and I've really enjoyed
1:04:12
Young or Naira. Yeah, I agree.
1:04:15
And so when they do level her up
1:04:17
to the next actress, I think I'm gonna
1:04:19
miss this actress. I think she's kill on
1:04:21
a I agree at I had that same
1:04:24
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In both Game of Thrones and House of
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the Dragon we meet important men who are
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openly promiscuous. Or at least
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they bring their paramours with them
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to important places. Presumably these men
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are not concerned with public knowledge
1:08:17
about their activities beyond the institution
1:08:19
of marriage. In medieval
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Europe, would this have
1:08:23
been taboo or had an adverse
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political consequence? Yeah,
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I think obviously the Church frowns upon
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such things, particularly if the man in
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question was married. But yes, noblemen and
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kings did often have mistresses and as
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a result had quite a lot of
1:08:39
villages but children. I
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mean you get examples of men who
1:08:44
had mistresses before they were married. They
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like to keep their options open in
1:08:48
case a particularly choice
1:08:52
bride-to-be came along. Who
1:08:55
might gain them lands and
1:08:57
things. So they would often have a woman who
1:09:00
they had children with and who they might end
1:09:02
up marrying further down the line. And
1:09:05
those children would have to be retroactively
1:09:09
legitimised. So yes, that's what I was looking
1:09:12
for. Because yes, they've
1:09:14
been born out of wedlock. So
1:09:17
that kind of thinking does come into
1:09:19
it. I think also that these men
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often did also look after their illegitimate
1:09:23
offspring. I mean that I think comes
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through in Game of Thrones quite a
1:09:27
lot. Even if
1:09:29
they're not treated the same, they obviously are not a
1:09:32
part of the succession. And that would be the same in
1:09:34
medieval Europe on the whole. They
1:09:36
are at least catered for. They're
1:09:38
looked after. They're given lands
1:09:40
and titles and money. And
1:09:44
they are also useful in terms
1:09:46
of marriage alliances. If
1:09:49
you marry the illegitimate daughter of the king, for
1:09:51
example, that's still a leg up. The
1:09:54
fact that she's an illegitimate daughter doesn't really
1:09:56
matter. You're still related by
1:09:58
blood to the crown. And
1:10:01
that means something. And you might be doing the king a
1:10:03
favour, you know. Oh, yes, absolutely.
1:10:06
Although again, I think, you know, that the
1:10:09
illegitimate children could be married off to
1:10:11
other kings, prominent nobles, that they were
1:10:13
still attached, that there wasn't this favour
1:10:15
attached to that. I think that's maybe
1:10:18
something that the Game of Thrones, it
1:10:20
spins the bastardly angle as a
1:10:23
negative and as a defining feature. And
1:10:26
I would say if you're in the lower
1:10:28
classes and you're illegitimate, then yes, that
1:10:30
might have been the case. But
1:10:32
noble bastards and royal
1:10:35
ones actually still had some
1:10:37
currency. Yeah, I think
1:10:39
that's a good question. I
1:10:41
think in Martin's universe, it
1:10:44
might be more influenced by
1:10:46
Shakespeare's bastards than historical bastards.
1:10:50
You know, in Shakespeare, it's very much,
1:10:52
you know, the bastard represents, especially if
1:10:54
it's sort of a male bastard
1:10:57
who might create
1:10:59
complications for the true born
1:11:02
eldest son or something like that, that
1:11:05
that kind of guy is suspicious. Like
1:11:08
you have to be a little bit
1:11:10
suspicious of that sort of fellow because
1:11:12
he might edge his way into political
1:11:14
power and make problems with the family.
1:11:18
Yeah, although I kind
1:11:20
of struggled to think of too many
1:11:22
examples for that was the case. I
1:11:24
think quite a lot of the examples you
1:11:26
have are of illegitimate sons,
1:11:28
for example, who are
1:11:31
quite loyal to their fathers and who
1:11:33
are useful military commanders. I suppose
1:11:35
the problem then is when their
1:11:37
fathers die and then their legitimate
1:11:40
offspring succeed, if
1:11:43
that causes problems between half
1:11:45
brothers. So
1:11:49
what about, I'm just thinking specifically
1:11:51
in terms of like Damon Targaryen,
1:11:53
who has a wife who he
1:11:55
just doesn't like, and he
1:11:58
decides that he's going to take
1:12:01
a paramour and like
1:12:04
just parade her around like just take her
1:12:06
wherever he goes because he gets along with
1:12:08
her. I'm just
1:12:11
wondering would that
1:12:13
is that is that more fantasy than
1:12:15
reality? It seems like that it
1:12:18
seems a little bit I
1:12:20
know it seems a little bit unrealistic that that
1:12:22
would be an option
1:12:25
for someone who is
1:12:27
of high political standing as someone
1:12:29
like that. I
1:12:31
mean maybe taking it slightly further
1:12:33
but not necessarily as much as
1:12:35
you might think. I think you
1:12:38
know there were several and
1:12:40
many open secrets about royal
1:12:43
or noble mistresses and
1:12:45
the fact that open secrets means that
1:12:47
they are largely accepted. I think
1:12:50
where mistresses become
1:12:52
problematic it well is
1:12:54
twofold one is if they start
1:12:56
to increase their
1:12:58
own power or their family's power as a result
1:13:00
of being the mistress of the king or the
1:13:03
lord then that becomes a problem for other nobles
1:13:05
and you get the case of that in England Alice
1:13:08
Perraurs is the famous mistress of
1:13:11
the third in his latter years and
1:13:13
she falls foul of the English establishment
1:13:15
because she makes out quite as
1:13:17
much as she does and is
1:13:20
seen as being dangerous. The same is true in Scotland
1:13:22
David the second his
1:13:24
mistress Catherine Mortimer is actually assassinated
1:13:27
by the Scottish stability because
1:13:29
they feel that she is becoming
1:13:32
too powerful or a family
1:13:34
but that is becoming too powerful. It's
1:13:36
intruding on their interests and
1:13:38
that's when it becomes a danger. I
1:13:40
think if you're there and
1:13:43
you just happen to put your knot
1:13:45
out for yourself if you're not expanding
1:13:47
the interests of your family then you're less than correct.
1:14:00
The. No.
1:14:36
Mm. Yeah.
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