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Boy oh boy I I. I.

1:20

Had this. I had this date circled on

1:22

my book reading calendar because I knew this

1:24

was going to be the week. That.

1:27

Gym gets his first full

1:29

dose for cream of mushroom

1:31

can opened up in this

1:33

episode. I wouldn't be covering.

1:36

Of. His sort of the hard cover of

1:38

Fire and Blood. Page three, Sixty Five To

1:41

Three Sixty nine. A. Whole smorgasbord

1:43

of four pages. gym. Yeah

1:45

yeah, very. Court.

1:47

Corresponding the episode for a King of

1:50

the Narrow Sea. how

1:53

how did you find your book vs

1:55

show this week oh i feasted on

1:57

the mushrooms man i this gave me

1:59

life I was

2:02

the thing that really surprised me about this

2:04

whole a mushroom thing in How

2:08

much use disagrees with him? I like I didn't

2:10

expect any of the maesters to agree with this

2:12

tale except yeah, and

2:14

Spencer's just like Yeah,

2:17

he's a lackey. He's coming off as a lackey

2:19

in this like oh, yeah, he went to the

2:21

Stepstones. I don't know But

2:24

weird, you know brothers are right, right?

2:26

But then you get you get Eustace

2:28

who's like corroborating a lot of mushrooms

2:30

sorted tail And I was kind of

2:32

surprised about that and I can't wait

2:35

to really get into that There's

2:37

not a lot of times where Eustace and

2:39

mushroom are like the predator handshake meme like,

2:41

you know coming together Renira

2:44

Renira is dirty, you know Renira dirty.

2:46

She damaged goods like but but they

2:48

do they do on this this case

2:51

This is corresponding to episode for the king of the narrow sea.

2:53

I'm not sure if I mentioned that Um,

2:56

which I think is a great episode and it

2:58

gets to the heart of the tragedy Between

3:02

the two brothers just not really understanding what

3:04

each other is about and being unable to

3:06

give each other the things That

3:09

they that they that they really are looking

3:11

for each other from you know Um,

3:14

and it also such a great episode

3:16

to highlight the very understandable differences Between

3:19

renira and allison's and how they view

3:21

their lot in life They're

3:25

and the same way the situation they're

3:27

in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

3:29

their expectations their their lived

3:31

experiences Uh, you

3:34

know, there's this big juxtaposition between renira

3:36

having this exciting Night

3:38

of fun outside the castle as a

3:40

young person Drinking and seeing all the

3:42

whoring and and doing all

3:45

this naughty stuff with her older experience uncle

3:47

Why allison's is stuck at home with screaming

3:49

babies Scrubbing her

3:51

husband's sores She

3:54

finally retires for the night for her

3:56

one pleasure a nice kappa And

3:58

then as she pulls. Her sheets and

4:00

her bed spread around or and get comfy

4:03

for at night she is summoned to. Be.

4:06

The Kings Royal Slam peace

4:08

and I guess just yeah

4:10

isn't it Is cutting back

4:12

and forth between that you

4:14

can just see the the

4:17

bitterness and jealousy. ah between

4:19

the the still girls growing.

4:22

Yeah, early Thursday show. what can a

4:24

life for Near is headed for a

4:26

if she doesn't Ah. Gets. Afford

4:28

her own path here and it doesn't look

4:30

like at this point he's going to be

4:33

able to. You know it's. everything

4:35

is pushing her toward does the ending

4:37

up like thousand. But.

4:39

Dame and kind of liked as dark

4:41

Aladdin you know aboard Currachs, the moon,

4:43

whole new world you don't have like

4:46

you can get married. You know your

4:48

if you could be a fucking queen

4:50

your happens And keep up this pity

4:52

petty bullshit fuck who you want, Kill

4:54

who you want Word Tar Gary A

4:56

goddamn at Marry Me I'm It's like

4:58

ah, You. Can tell that Damon

5:00

is chafing that that par gary and have

5:03

gone from taking his whole fuck in landover

5:05

remaking it's religion, carving out a target and

5:07

except white gay Target has been to do

5:09

weird shit and we've got a lot of

5:12

beak of their sky people and magic and

5:14

we're not. And he's I. Why

5:16

are you giving all this op? Why

5:18

are you letting the tar, Gary, and

5:20

house be less? then? Why are you

5:23

listening to Spock and Auto High Power

5:25

by the way? And. I.

5:27

Don't know. It's really good to see

5:29

that both the kind of thing off

5:31

the page and the and and the

5:33

scream. Although

5:36

you do have to read a lot between the

5:38

lines to get you know, I do think that

5:40

they're bringing that out. Condos definitely

5:42

seeing what what he's seen on

5:44

a page at and amplifying that.

5:46

ah I'm. I've got a bunch

5:48

of notes they're in no particular order odd

5:50

sign in a d thing it's you'd like.

5:53

But I guess the big thing for me.

5:56

A. Lot of big things, but maybe the

5:58

biggest, most impactful fit thing as. Otto's

6:00

dismissal as hand. Oh

6:03

okay, yeah. Which

6:06

is just kind of on line.

6:08

Horror. To may be in the book I

6:10

just a sentence or so. Yeah

6:13

that that the king like there it

6:15

is Not the auto was the worst

6:17

or the most insistent by like the

6:19

that straw that broke his back as

6:21

the you know like what I swear

6:23

to god the next time someone the

6:25

Hector's me about his success an issue

6:27

I'm going to banish them from court

6:29

and auto happened to be that guy.

6:31

Ah, I'm. And

6:34

then they did portray that Sam

6:36

All. Straw backbreaking moment

6:38

by. it was kind of

6:41

when Neera. Yeah,

6:43

no. I like the way that they

6:45

modified this. Is feeling

6:47

a bigger event right? Like yeah.

6:50

Pressing him on where near as

6:52

his successor seems like it could

6:54

get annoying but to habit be

6:57

as dramatic I guess is a

6:59

was in this part of the

7:01

Buckeyes area in for the show

7:04

I use just it clearly better

7:06

change com. But. Ah,

7:08

you feel about that? Yeah

7:11

I do I guy. I think it's

7:13

one of the things where it takes

7:15

the he the book kind of general

7:17

idea of the serious being kind of

7:19

a wish washy last guy he taught

7:21

to being the thing he has his

7:23

conviction and run near our who's all

7:26

gassed up by Damon saying where tiger

7:28

and you can do whatever the fuck

7:30

we walk see essentially echoes that back

7:32

to her father and says but your

7:34

listen auto Hightower you can't see how

7:36

he scheming for the current thrown at

7:38

you can't see how this lesser. Man

7:40

is trying to lead you around.

7:43

And. It's. Unlucky

7:45

stews on back of the next time he

7:47

sees hot I'd It's not just the things

7:49

that. That. Rainier as talking about

7:52

but she's gone back to Like you fed

7:54

Allison to me. At. My lowest

7:56

moment. And then set all

7:58

this stuff up for your own. gain which

8:00

he's it's funny

8:02

because he's he's got auto dead the rights oh

8:05

yeah and he goes on you know in the

8:07

show about how what a coincidence

8:10

that my father became hand

8:12

of the king and five

8:14

days later died that that

8:16

seems you know suspicious

8:18

at the very least and then ho ho

8:20

here comes Otto Hightower to be hand of

8:23

the king incredible yeah

8:25

I like the way that Renira they've done a

8:28

really good job of portraying Renira in the show

8:30

as somebody who has you know a head

8:33

on her shoulders not just a

8:35

princess to be traded off even

8:38

as a young girl here she seems

8:40

like she

8:43

she has correctly identified that Otto is

8:45

a snake and even

8:47

before Viserys does you know it gives

8:49

the impression that she might be actually

8:52

a better queen than Viserys has ever been a

8:54

king a little bit shrewder

8:57

anyway because Viserys just

8:59

doesn't seem like and

9:02

that's the thing it's like this does he not see it

9:04

or is it convenient for him not to see like if

9:07

he I mean

9:09

this episode kind of has Renira opening

9:11

his eyes but that also might just

9:13

be that you know Renira is the

9:15

most important person to him

9:17

like Renira and Allison that's something that

9:20

left that the page makes it clear

9:22

that you know

9:24

this quote from this reading says you know

9:26

Viserys strove all his days to keep the

9:29

beast between to keep the peace the beast

9:32

to keep the beast between his women

9:34

he's trouble all his days to keep

9:36

the peace between his women and to

9:38

please them both with gifts and honor

9:40

so long as he lived and kept

9:42

the balance the peace prevailed throughout the

9:44

realm yeah and this is like

9:46

this entire season like is the through

9:48

line that will appreciate if we've seen

9:50

the whole thing that that's literally like

9:52

like Hondel took that and ran with

9:55

it Yeah, you get the

9:57

impression yeah, doesn't want to stir the water. Too

10:00

much and and I. I

10:03

mean that either way, keep the peace right, but

10:05

it also allows people to set piece up to

10:07

make moves once that peace is ready to be

10:09

broken. And I think they are both both easy

10:11

on dame and has his own way of getting

10:13

ahead of that that were near. I is getting

10:15

ahead of Aloe. Been here to. Or.

10:18

The Osiris doesn't seem like he ever would have.

10:21

A. I think he'd truly does love

10:23

both. Our center near I your Allison's

10:25

a by and an auto maintains when

10:27

he's been dismissed. The Queen loves him

10:29

to. That's. Where he gets a

10:31

wrong I think The queen. His.

10:33

Love for him is out of

10:35

duty and obligation. It's not out

10:37

of. You. Know and and

10:40

see his. I will say the Allison

10:42

is a good person. like she was

10:44

raised right leg I think she's There's

10:46

also an element of her taking pity

10:49

on the serious and seeing these essentially

10:51

nuns with a wooden rulers and their

10:53

brillo pad scrubbing home And and she's

10:56

like are god, he's. By.

10:59

Ah, I'm. Yeah he he

11:01

he. But but the series I

11:03

do think loves both of them

11:05

in our of murder that allison

11:07

soon an extraordinarily good job of

11:09

continuing to thing she did where

11:11

she notices of them. She pays

11:13

attention to take them seriously. See

11:15

you know cares? She's she's she's

11:17

she's starfish as a bit in

11:19

bed. ah and clearly line joy

11:21

of but you know why I

11:23

I can't fairly the mariners The

11:25

fact that yeah I'm. There

11:28

whether I'll have him, I couldn't exactly

11:30

tell you although doesn't seem to be

11:32

the case, but he definitely sound love

11:34

with her otherwise he wouldn't have married

11:37

her right. Yeah. Yeah.

11:39

I'm in heat. I

11:42

think he was hoping for the best but

11:44

also yeah that Allison had made a big

11:46

i'm a big impression upon him. com you

11:48

know when he probably up until he put

11:50

two and two together dinners episode maybe. thought

11:52

that like you know else it is just

11:54

in our eyes is my daughter's best friend

11:57

ah she thinks I'm cool. see things by

11:59

models are cool. She as

12:01

interesting and engage questions. Maybe yeah

12:03

maybe maybe there's something here. Ah.

12:06

But. Ah I. I.

12:10

Thought it was also interesting

12:12

how they portrayed auto here

12:14

as like. Prowling.

12:16

On the edge of

12:18

the throne room. At

12:21

the edge of the the Iron

12:24

Throne while dame and approaches and

12:26

then that like the look he

12:28

gives when he sees the the

12:31

brothers reconciling. Death.

12:33

Ah. They're.

12:35

They're. Ah, What I

12:38

really? I really liked how they

12:40

portrayed this. You

12:43

know they have the serious as betrayed

12:45

his like nervous you know his brothers

12:47

calming. Ah he's got all

12:49

his dues and all their armor. He's got

12:51

the whole court in the room. He wants

12:54

a lot of witnesses things by get crazy.

12:57

It's like have an intervention with your crazy family

12:59

member at though at the you know at the

13:01

at the deniers at a waffle house you want

13:03

you on it and public. Eatery

13:05

and don't want to get too

13:08

crazy and how you know kind

13:10

of very book this stuff kind

13:12

of went down. ah I'm. About.

13:16

You know the dame and surrendered

13:18

his crown. Surrendered to crab theaters

13:20

hammer the habit melted to the

13:22

ah. Downs. And Iron Throne. And

13:25

and the brothers were just like either this

13:27

like cute moment where they're in a courtyard

13:29

and they're laughing about their childhood and argued

13:31

about. You. Know if who

13:33

mommy love the most than it's like

13:35

this nice moment of of what the

13:37

brothers could be if one or the

13:39

other would decide to get fully behind

13:42

the others agenda. Sure, You

13:44

know, And.

13:47

damon's is not gonna do it damon's not

13:49

going to be like you know what that

13:52

her guerin should just be another house maybe

13:54

we should be a first among equals you're

13:56

you're right brother we should just pursue piece

13:58

at at at every costs And

14:00

yeah, there's a vibe that kind

14:02

of runs through this season two of The

14:06

realm has been a piece so long that a lot of

14:10

Knights are kind of Fancy,

14:12

you know, they want to get out there. They

14:14

want to fight battles and a chief among them

14:16

seems to be Damon That seems to be his

14:19

motivation. I mean Maybe

14:21

he couches it in we're Targaryens. We should

14:23

be out there conquering but Personally,

14:26

I think he just wants to stir shit

14:28

up and really just get into a fight

14:30

with something Yeah,

14:32

there's this like restlessness so we see throughout

14:34

the books about the second and third and

14:36

so on sons especially in times of peace

14:38

because Your second third son you can

14:40

always be you know, we're at war The

14:43

big guy might go down. I might distinguish myself

14:45

in battle I might get tapped for the Kingsguard

14:47

or some other hype is I could distinguish myself

14:50

But if you've got a hundred

14:52

years going of peace You

14:55

know like imagine how big the family's

14:57

got now You got three generations of

14:59

second third sons having second and third

15:02

sons and it's just way too many

15:05

chefs in the kitchens for not

15:07

enough soup and Yeah,

15:11

it's it's it goes down It's

15:15

interesting that like they talk about their their mother

15:17

which one liked them best I thought that was

15:19

kind of poignant when I was doing research because

15:22

Their mother died when they were young the serious is

15:24

just seven Damon just three so,

15:27

you know, there's just kind of

15:29

like this bittersweet memory of You

15:31

know the serious probably remembering the baby being

15:33

the darling and and he thinks mom likes

15:35

him better But I also

15:38

thought when you know, I was I

15:40

think about this reading like how different

15:42

would things have been if

15:45

the serious hadn't like if the serious had married Lena

15:47

and The

15:49

court, you know, you got Corliss and his

15:51

ambition You

15:53

got Damon wanting the Targaryens to

15:55

be you know, like like essentially

15:57

rule as as God's unquestion Without

16:00

all these people interfering with their affairs. I Don't

16:04

have it been better, but I don't know if

16:06

we had to dance if that had happened. Yeah,

16:08

that's what I'm thinking it would be It

16:12

would kind of be hard to write I mean

16:15

the the might the combined might of the Valyrians

16:17

and the Targaryens would be Pretty

16:19

yeah, go up again. People might think

16:21

I'm money They got

16:24

the ships they got the dragons They got

16:26

to dress like they could just you could

16:28

be a you know But a Meg or

16:30

situation all over again where you know that

16:32

Rhaenyra and Damon rule as tyrants But there's

16:34

also a chance and maybe Rhaenyra could have

16:39

You know like he could have lived out his

16:41

fantasy of being a gone of old and you

16:43

know She's fundamentally a more wise and more discerning

16:45

a more patient person and maybe

16:47

that would have been but I don't know it's It's

16:50

it's counterfactual history. What are you gonna say? I

16:53

just I just thought a lot about like

16:55

cuz yeah like Damon's never going to Bend

16:58

and I think Viserys would have but he's

17:00

got the high towers You

17:02

know now Stumping for their

17:05

children's rights and that just sets up

17:07

the inevitable, you know conflict and

17:09

yeah But

17:12

I was impressed by how much this episode

17:14

is entirely the way that these four pages

17:17

go down, you know down to Rhaenyra

17:19

bouncing up to Damon Wearing

17:22

his brooch not

17:25

brooches his necklace and You

17:28

know There's a

17:30

lot of you know, the book makes it out

17:33

that Damon was here for six months And

17:36

there's a lot of details we don't get

17:38

that he resumed his space on the the

17:40

small council and for a time that the

17:42

you know that he was kind of had

17:44

a shit together, but The

17:47

book makes it like that. He kind of

17:49

fell back in with his buddies and the

17:51

gold cloaks and started you know taking up

17:53

residence in the streets of silk and Almost

17:58

you know almost malicious starts

18:01

corrupting Rhaenyra.

18:04

Yeah. They

18:06

do a lot to illustrate the closeness of

18:10

Rhaenyra and Daemon as well that the

18:12

show I think the

18:16

show doesn't do as much but it does

18:18

enough and it does

18:20

earlier on I guess like I've already got the

18:22

impression that this is you

18:25

know a couple that you kind of

18:28

don't want to leave in the same room for

18:30

too long because who knows how to go down

18:32

the book is like

18:34

oh he wooed her with you

18:36

know dragon races and gifts and

18:38

long conversations and hours and hours

18:40

together here it's like a

18:42

conversation but I feel like you get everything you

18:44

need out of the shortened the sort

18:47

of abbreviated connection there especially

18:49

them speaking Valerian that

18:51

adds an extra level

18:53

intimacy because they're essentially having a conversation

18:55

that maybe only Viserys could

18:57

keep up with if

19:00

he happened to bother and come over there but they're

19:02

essentially having a conversation it feels intimate it feels yeah

19:06

try you know feels Targaryen supremacy

19:08

too like we're speaking our code

19:11

language yeah

19:16

I also thought cuz they

19:19

get the blacks and green stuff going

19:21

very early in the book because they

19:23

don't you know the books Allison's

19:26

10 years older than Reneira

19:28

there they never particularly get

19:30

along as we'll see in

19:32

and further pages but

19:35

like they're you know like it's something that

19:37

the serious was trying to like keep together

19:39

from the jump whereas the show postulates they

19:41

were best friends and there was a rift

19:43

over you know you married my you

19:47

married my dad well you're running around

19:49

Horan and having fun while I'm stuck

19:51

here and and you you have contempt

19:53

over my life like you describe my

19:56

life which is being wed to some

19:58

royal person and forced to play lunch

20:00

at kids as like your

20:02

hell that you're trying to avoid. But

20:07

yeah, they get the green and the black stuff

20:09

and right here when

20:12

Damon comes home for the first time,

20:14

it's during a feast for the fifth

20:16

anniversary of him and Queen Alison's marriage,

20:19

which I think tracks roughly where we

20:21

are in the overall timeline. But

20:25

at the opening feast, the Queen wears this

20:27

resplendent green gown for her giving homage

20:31

to her house, Hightower, and

20:35

Princess Rhaenyra comes out in this

20:38

ultra-Targaryen red and black dress.

20:41

And the court members started noting

20:44

that it's lots of greens versus

20:46

blacks. And I

20:48

didn't notice this two years ago when we're

20:51

going through material, but there's an interesting hint

20:53

about the dragons from either party snapping

20:56

at each other and like spitting flame

20:58

at each other like when they would

21:00

chance to pass, which I

21:02

think kind of sets up nicely the Vhagar

21:04

business at the end of the season. The

21:07

idea that the dragons do

21:09

have some connection to the writer and

21:11

they kind of can get how they

21:13

feel about each other on this instinctual

21:16

emotional level. And the dragons are kind

21:18

of getting this rivalry amongst themselves as

21:20

well. Just a one- one

21:44

though I think they're talking literal. I think they're talking

21:46

about- They certainly could be, yeah. But

21:49

if so, yeah, I think it works metaphorically

21:51

and it also works as a sick bit

21:53

of foreshadowing. There's

21:56

a detail that we don't get from

21:58

the books, which is Corallis. is

22:00

still making big ambitious moves. If

22:03

he can't get what he wants

22:05

from Westeros, he's seeking it

22:07

in Essos. He's, they've

22:10

uncovered a plot for him to marry

22:12

Laina off to the Sea

22:14

Lord of Braavos. And

22:18

that makes a small council think, well, I mean, this,

22:20

I think puts, this serves to put the pressure on

22:22

Rhaenyra because they're like, hey, we might need to make

22:24

our own alliance to kind of shore things up. Yeah.

22:29

And we kind of open where the

22:31

book is, is kind of

22:34

ends with Rhaenyra going about

22:36

this tour of all the,

22:39

you know, the most eligible bachelors in

22:42

Westeros. Yeah.

22:46

Yeah, it's a little bit of a reversal of

22:48

timing there. They talk about this,

22:51

the youngest Frey made, I guess, a

22:53

faux pas by asking directly for her

22:55

hand in marriage and, yeah. I

23:00

take it that they kind of

23:02

replaced that youngest Frey with this

23:04

Blackwood, is it Blackwood? The

23:07

Blackwood is the one that does the killing. The

23:09

Bracken is the guy that is killed. What,

23:12

I don't know. It might be a little bit

23:14

of a thing for because the one thing George

23:16

loves taking shots at the Freys, the Freys are

23:19

kind of his whipping boy house, one of them.

23:22

So like having, you know, this Frey

23:24

overreach himself and be called Frey the

23:26

Fool, I think he's like gives himself

23:28

a chuckle over that. But

23:31

they mentioned that the, in the book,

23:33

they mentioned the Brackens and the Blackwoods

23:35

who have this ancient Hatfield McCoy,

23:38

all the way back to the Age of

23:40

Heroes before the First Men, before, I guess,

23:42

before the Andal invasion, putting this

23:44

like four or 5,000 years ago. They've

23:47

been feuding ever since. And in the book, they mentioned that

23:49

the Bracken beats the Blackwood, but

23:51

no death was involved. And here we see

23:53

the young Blackwood guy just open

23:56

his belly. Yeah, that

23:58

guy's done. I think if

24:00

you pay attention in the trailer for season

24:02

two, I think you see this boy.

24:06

I mean, I'd say he's grown up, but he still is a

24:08

pretty slight youth. It looks like he

24:10

might have to do this again, or he's being

24:13

jumped. So

24:15

this this black and versus black, this

24:17

this Bracken versus Blackwoods thing is is

24:21

going to rage on. I

24:25

looked at it because I haven't actually

24:27

gone through and done all the reading about

24:30

what the the the black and

24:32

versus the Blackwoods. And I

24:35

guess it's just a dispute like throughout the

24:37

books. There's this thing in a chapter, Jamie's

24:39

first chapter in Dance of Dragons, where he's

24:41

talking to them. And

24:44

you know, he just settling

24:46

this the siege in

24:49

the riverlands, he's in a riverlands kind of

24:51

conducting business and he's trying to understand why

24:53

these people are squabbling. And

24:56

he asked them, like, well, how does it

24:58

all begin? And when the Bracken boys says,

25:00

yo, it's all in writing, but some of

25:02

the histories are pinned by their maesters and

25:04

some by ours centuries after

25:06

events, they purport the Chronicle. So it's

25:08

like one of those things where apparently

25:11

it goes back to the age of heroes.

25:14

There's a so spake Martin archive, which is,

25:16

you know, this

25:18

is the citadel.org maintains a list of

25:20

all of his blog points, posts of

25:22

private correspondence, a lot like the Tolkien

25:25

letters. And he says that

25:27

the feud between the Brackens and the Blackwoods goes back

25:29

to the age of heroes. Both

25:31

houses ruled the riverlands as kings at

25:33

various times. They're also divided by their

25:35

religion, because the Brackens went over to the new

25:37

gods by the Blackwoods remained with the old. And

25:41

that there's an ancient

25:43

accusation that Brackens poisoned

25:45

the Blackwoods heart tree, which

25:49

it's already unusual for a souther and lord

25:51

to be worshipping

25:54

the old gods. But to desecrate their

25:56

their their gods like that is a

25:58

big deal. The

26:00

World of ice and Fire in the river

26:02

land section says that their feud it stretches

26:04

infamous and rightly so for stretches back thousands

26:06

of years to before the coming. The handles.

26:09

Ah, the black would say there were kings

26:11

Nebraskans little more than petty lord said I'm

26:13

betraying and disposing them, deposing them by the

26:16

bracken. Say much the same thing about Bird

26:18

The Black Woods. And.

26:20

I thought is also interesting that

26:22

like I'm. The. Barely they

26:24

squabble. happen until the Iron Islanders. I'm

26:26

the that that the pirate faction of

26:29

West Rose conquered the river lands and

26:31

then that the pirate king saw a

26:33

useful to pit their vassals against each

26:35

other to keep them week. So you

26:37

can see that like that might have

26:39

been an opportunity for them to make

26:41

peace when it's like okay, nother your

26:44

chain where the king. But. They

26:46

kind of like tap those those home for

26:48

the those in Mateen burning. And.

26:51

As a result the either by even the that

26:53

are the kingdoms coming under the one did do

26:55

much for this this rivalry so I'm kind of

26:57

years to see where they go in a second.

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29:53

Let's get into the beats I

29:55

guess of this, which is Damon's

29:57

court ship I guess of. Ren

30:00

Era. Car. I'm.

30:04

V. That let's let's talk

30:06

about a certain use this as

30:08

of the opinion that that's Damon

30:11

and Rainier, I definitely thought. And

30:14

dame and went to the serious and said de

30:16

una we can fix this is give me your

30:18

hand in marriage and it's say I'd I know

30:21

I got another wife worked her gary and it's

30:23

cool. A. Lot of since we ate a

30:25

lot like the show, the pics, Ah,

30:28

I'm. Mushroom. Has

30:30

a different idea about how things go down The want

30:32

to fall of maybe since this is your first dose

30:34

a mushroom I can lets you kind of. Walk

30:37

us through that. Ah yeah I

30:39

mean on surprisingly it is a

30:41

is a much more in new

30:43

lore and accounts of as you

30:46

know used as is pretty lights.

30:48

Matter of fact you know the

30:50

best Sir Eric Rx whatever found

30:52

them in bed and took him

30:54

before the king and there were

30:56

near us actually pleaded to marry

30:58

with that to marry him. And

31:01

said that there was no there. but

31:03

then like mushroom really elaborate sees talks

31:06

about. Before we get a that I

31:08

want to point out that it's interesting

31:10

what details making see show costs are.

31:12

Rx is the one who takes the

31:14

message from the white worm to auto.

31:16

Laying. The accusation that they had sex

31:18

alibi a d that I i yes

31:20

test mass you pride and recognize them

31:23

because Eric and Rs only really some

31:25

a seeing the towards the end of

31:27

the season ah I'm sorry but yet

31:29

he's wearing a helmet bit but yeah

31:31

that is they'd they'd that detail is

31:33

interesting how that that survived a two

31:35

hundred year. Historical Gap.

31:37

Interesting. Yeah. Third, seems like maybe

31:40

I'm. They. are higher of

31:42

I'm curious. The other relationship evolves with.

31:44

Auto. And why worm and know that?

31:49

A But yeah my mushroom talks at

31:51

length about A He talks about nights

31:53

spent teaching or near a how to

31:55

woo the person she really wanted. who

31:58

is Kristen Call. The

32:00

frame that as like dame and with

32:02

simply educating her on how to seduce

32:04

kristen because she was so enamored with

32:06

Kristen. And. Kristin was so

32:08

chased and virtuous the he would never

32:10

make the first move, never cry and

32:13

as love never stole a kiss and

32:15

you get the idea there are near

32:17

as like wow I'm just not a

32:19

woman enough and Damon's like I can

32:21

make you that woman. Yeah.

32:23

And so he starts off smith or

32:25

out that we miles by teaching her

32:27

how to kiss. and of course you

32:29

know he's He's gotta demonstrate that. so

32:31

they're They're kissing a lot. Here

32:36

I dance If mushroom is to

32:38

be believed that right bit, the

32:40

N N F mushroom is to

32:42

be believed that he gets a

32:44

big caviar here because then they're

32:46

talking about like well he made

32:48

escalates from there and he starts

32:50

teaching her how to touch a

32:52

man I including demonstrations on mushrooms

32:55

quote unquote enormous member ah my

32:57

After seats in Anatomy Gross Anatomy

32:59

A want the largest model so

33:01

you can really see around the

33:03

the A Rogen A sounds. Like

33:05

you know? Yeah, No, definitely. I

33:07

signed up a model cock. so

33:10

you're I a right to demonstrate

33:12

the guy you know. the new

33:14

guy who's essentially writing history books

33:16

here has the biggest member, If

33:19

that's interesting. I. Am

33:21

in is it. He writes about her the

33:23

you know being taken to the Street of

33:25

silk in all these brothels just to observe.

33:27

Though you know as we can out in

33:29

the show see it as kind of start

33:31

that way. And.

33:33

Oh well, Things like flying her

33:36

out the islands and spending mass

33:38

amounts are allowed their our naked

33:40

just frolicking and. He

33:42

did the impression that the lessons have stopped

33:44

and. There's. More going on

33:47

somewhere in the Not a Not is

33:49

Frolicking Mushroom says that the they're being

33:51

the she's been taught the odd the

33:53

the art of mouth pleasure right? right?

33:55

I forgot about that detail. But. But

33:57

but this is Leno. This is the west.

34:00

This has the the Non badge

34:02

and a loophole. Were.

34:04

Only if you go through the that,

34:06

the badge and or gates that that's

34:08

the only thing that the flowers people

34:11

that's very Clintonian oral sex don't account

34:13

that time leaving that Sweden. Yes, yeah

34:15

I don't think that's just hard areas

34:17

that say add up to say the

34:19

West throws. Definitely observe the old ways

34:21

when it comes to that. Yeah yeah,

34:23

I'm an old This. Add

34:26

to the in a demonstration

34:28

in education sort of culminates

34:30

in her approaching call. And

34:32

unlike. The show. He turns her away.

34:36

And then proceed to. Chase is horrified.

34:38

Oh My. God. You can do mouth

34:40

stuff. Yeah, what an idea. What

34:43

drives her in the other? within the other

34:45

direction with Dame and I. Or

34:48

or were just gets out that you

34:51

know this. He was practicing and being

34:53

taught by Dame and and now she's

34:55

on. She's yeah that that the the

34:57

nicer I think you're left to surmise

34:59

that the night's king guard here ah

35:02

goes and and Tattle Tale makes and

35:04

there's there's even the detail that. By.

35:06

All this that paragraph is the

35:08

bulk of what happens other been

35:10

d rom. Or the members

35:13

show which just goes to can impress

35:15

upon veneer of the importance of the

35:17

small folk in their opinion. but all

35:19

that a like dressing as a page

35:21

boy and sneak around the castle baths

35:23

all from mushrooms account on. Ah,

35:25

But the big differences that he says

35:27

he differs from Eustace and says that

35:30

Renier as maidenhead was intact like dame

35:32

and never death corn unquote you know,

35:34

took her maiden, heard a neither did

35:36

Sir Christian call. So all this who

35:38

and I. That's. Not

35:40

true and the show. Defy.

35:43

Cause. Crane in mind both have, let

35:46

alone is just crazy. Yeah, definitely.

35:48

Ted. Yeah. Yeah

35:50

yeah, I'm. And. It's zebra

35:52

in the show. Their parents are near as like

35:54

kind of ready for like see is hot for

35:56

her uncle. And as he's got her

35:59

off by not. but. For some

36:01

reason. He

36:03

he gets uncomfortable with it.

36:05

ah and brass off or.

36:08

He is trying to do

36:10

one last manipulation. It is.

36:14

It is curious the mysterious their them a

36:16

serious and the message that like you do

36:18

i i i i I can remember how

36:20

I thought about this or how we thought

36:22

of the remember like when or watson's the

36:24

first time of whether there is any because

36:27

I've also private plane kg with the book

36:29

stuff but like ease do wonder if this

36:31

was a big set up by Damon or

36:33

if this was just monsieur have been jealous

36:35

of being put aside I i I think

36:37

it might be that the that feels right

36:40

to me I'm at least buy it for

36:42

the accounts that the show has given. Us

36:44

because I haven't got there really yeah with

36:46

the book, but to seem like the type,

36:48

you know, she has friends in the brothels

36:51

right? I mean that's how she came up.

36:53

Ah, she probably get worse. She brian spies

36:55

in there. And it might not

36:57

be anything where you know to missouri was trying

36:59

to set this up or anything but just happened

37:01

to get wind of it and be able to

37:04

use it. For. A little bit

37:06

of revenge. Especially

37:08

with the way the the show portrays

37:10

during the morning after. Were.

37:13

Dame and has you know drunk himself silly

37:15

here and room Syria has kind of like.

37:18

To add on obe the I got him

37:20

a room and and nursing and back to

37:22

health a little bit. Get feeding them my

37:24

coffee and tea and water and she had

37:26

to sober him up. Ah

37:29

that that feels like. She.

37:32

Was a little bit. Angry about what

37:34

she had discovered the night before. Not yes

37:37

that he was drunk. kill I'm sure dame

37:39

and gets drunk all the time. But

37:42

I saw it. I did. Thing

37:44

I was thinking of is the

37:46

day. Because. She's obviously irritated

37:48

and pissed and it's like that's one

37:50

thing you can read, do what you

37:53

to said. But I also like is

37:55

area where you can read this. The

37:57

Were Missouri and Damon set this up

37:59

to. The. A slight her

38:01

position. And dame and couldn't

38:03

go through with it. The

38:05

Zero went ahead, went ahead the know and he

38:07

got you know try to drown himself but monsieur

38:10

as like fuck this I'm on it and I'm

38:12

going to keep my into the bargain. I'm gonna

38:14

tell him he did. Air.

38:16

And he goes with like you know,

38:18

like you know. We talked about this

38:20

last week about the bookshelf vs show

38:23

can in the book can have a

38:25

show canon and how frustratingly they're being

38:27

taken is like totally different things, but

38:29

clearly one can influence the other. And

38:31

since Candle in Georgia fans and of

38:33

each other and George's putting details like

38:35

in Or and finance feedback, the Hunt

38:37

from last episode and Birds Sing This

38:39

Business The Knife In The prophesied that

38:41

kind of both influencing each other. It's

38:44

I thought, oh I wonder if this.

38:46

Is just another way for them. The kind of

38:48

get that flavor from the book where you're not

38:50

really sure. Exactly what

38:52

happened. You. Know because name and

38:54

doesn't elaborate. You know he's not like he.

38:56

you know you know when he gets in

38:59

front of his brother was that's another interesting

39:01

thing that the book he has as the

39:03

detail that sir. Lionel. Strong!

39:05

Ah the the Lionel The

39:07

Lille. As. Like you should kill

39:09

us Motherfucker. You should put this motherfucker to

39:11

death. Let's stop fucking around and just tell

39:13

them. And. The Sears is

39:15

gonna go along with it but but that sept

39:17

and use this. Ah, who who's

39:20

the one? This costs one on ones causing

39:22

all this trouble. Ah says you know it's

39:24

not no manners of curse the Qin Slayer

39:26

and that that scared the serious off. Realm.

39:31

Would be different if the series

39:33

had just fuckin' I bid probably

39:35

be i auto hightower puppet regime.

39:37

buy it again. Probably no dance

39:39

with dragons if they are As

39:41

the for he had listened to

39:43

begin man Lionel believe you don't

39:46

miss. The. By.

39:50

I I thought is it's thing the show that this

39:52

is about like are the book this is a bad

39:54

dame in if you believe anything it's a bad dame

39:57

and making a plate Please play for his niece who

39:59

we had been. It can work and

40:01

had spent months plying with even

40:03

mention he got the jade crown.

40:06

Of the Prince of But

40:08

Ah Ting is. Which.

40:10

Is an island nation at the

40:13

extreme east of Associates in the

40:15

Jade See. It's just south of

40:17

Are Ye T Watches The. The

40:21

eso stand in for China so

40:23

it's are essentially a like com

40:25

you know steel and ah the

40:27

that that that a crowd of

40:29

an empress. And. And giving it

40:31

to her like these. These gifts. the lavish gifts

40:33

are crazy. Also, the fact that like almost no

40:35

one from West Rose ever makes it that far.

40:38

Bomb. In the World

40:40

of Ice and Fire and mentions that

40:42

it's a full it's a two year

40:44

sale from Pin Toast. To.

40:47

Y T and back. Under the

40:49

best sailing conditions and pinned most is

40:51

like. Smack. Their dab in

40:53

the middle of the free cities on the

40:55

west coast of Asses. so you know, not

40:58

that the narrow sees that much more time.

41:00

but like it's it's an arduous. it's an

41:02

arduous trip and not not many people were

41:04

a Ss or Westroads make it so. It's

41:08

it's. also another thing that makes Dame and

41:10

Cool is like only Corliss has been that

41:12

far, but barely Dame and as on his

41:15

dragon. so I thought that was interesting. Yeah,

41:19

Ah, I'm. There's

41:21

also some things that don't happen in

41:23

the book: The Grandmaster and both and

41:26

Sir Harold both die in the year

41:28

one twelve. Yeah. That's a

41:30

very different. They. Will deal with

41:32

this big a liar. The we even notice that

41:34

they get a younger may stir and of Osiris.

41:36

his health kind of briefly improves or that the

41:39

treatments changed. Ah with by

41:41

a setting where. Sar. Half.

41:43

As that they're going to be called the

41:46

Lord Commander and this may stir malice as

41:48

gonna become grandmaster. And

41:50

as does. Her

41:52

weather does not happen and like even

41:55

close to the same way. the book

41:57

like Sir Harold lives way past this

41:59

and. Eventually like resigns his post

42:01

because of the whole green, a black

42:03

thing and Christmas sport of and all

42:06

that stuff like. It.

42:08

And he's still alive. He's out there somewhere,

42:10

as far as we know, right? Yeah,

42:13

I'd die. I I can't.

42:16

I. Don't remember if he survives the end

42:18

of this the season the be honored as

42:20

one the real good for doing this. The

42:22

got to get full up on there but

42:25

is it definitely very different and dumb? As

42:29

I think about. Why?

42:31

I clearly cause they're not. like a said they're

42:33

not ready. Ah, the books don't

42:35

care by get the Green a black stuff

42:37

kicked off because they don't have any affection.

42:39

Was we allison than Rainier about the shows.

42:42

Really taken a time to put the emotional

42:44

you know, steaks and also to do honor

42:46

to the serious. a struggle, lifelong struggle to

42:48

the know keep the peace between the two

42:50

women that he loved. Mom they're

42:52

they're kind of their their stretch in and out

42:54

a little bit. Because.

42:57

He i work couple episodes away

42:59

from the Greens in the Black

43:01

Sun and the they'll All This

43:03

stuff so ah I'm there's other

43:05

big difference. it doesn't get mentioned

43:08

this happens after the the time

43:10

jump essentially is that the in

43:12

just a year later renier it's

43:14

and sixteen and takes possession of

43:16

Dragon Stone. And then gets

43:18

married with will be dealing with next week. Ah,

43:21

I'm. Yeah.

43:24

Ah I'm what else to we have

43:26

to talk about? Ah I'm I guess

43:28

you have anything as you want to

43:30

bring up. Health think

43:32

so. it's about it. My I will

43:34

say yeah they're the ending says ever

43:37

near as the one who really pushes

43:39

for on his dismissal and a high.

43:42

Fat. To me is interesting I

43:44

guess how the Sarah takes them handle

43:46

sad he. Kind.

43:49

Of insinuates that. Any of

43:51

this has been plan all along and I

43:53

added just thinking through all these historical things

43:55

have happened with him but he. It.

43:58

He's factually wrong about the thing right

44:00

there. That's the thing, didn't. The.

44:03

Really stand out Me as he is factually wrong.

44:05

Auto is not lying here. Auto has

44:07

the truth of it. Someone to absolutely

44:10

slept with him or near absolute up

44:12

or someone I am. And. She's

44:14

lying about it. At.

44:17

Is her to to a greater or

44:19

lesser degree? Anyway, Auto is right. And.

44:21

On Aug dismissed. Regardless, I but

44:24

I think Auto being right is

44:26

only circumstantial. It's it's Auto absolutely

44:28

has every reason to lie about

44:30

this mysterious tin can look and

44:33

see that on the face of

44:35

it. And then I think Auto

44:37

would have potentially lied about this

44:40

if is something like this doesn't

44:42

happen fortuitously for him. In the

44:44

meantime, by the time. You.

44:46

Know Ayman starts to be old

44:48

enough to to think about being

44:51

an Air Otto's got machinations. I'm

44:53

sure he will find a way

44:55

to make something like this happened

44:57

to get people are blocking him

44:59

out of the way. So.

45:01

I it it might be a little preemptive in it might be

45:03

for the wrong reasons, but I do think it's the right thing

45:05

to do, which is why give or near a lot of credit.

45:08

Yeah. Yeah she's she's getting more perceptive

45:10

her father and and the the viciousness

45:12

of the beating the that the the

45:14

serious gives dame and I think pays

45:16

homage to how close he came to

45:18

killing him like he's literally kid and

45:20

around the throne room and Damon's is

45:22

crawling around not trying to protect to

45:25

protest himself because again he's trying to

45:27

get his brother to see the big

45:29

picture which is or target areas man

45:31

we should be rock and out we

45:33

are hawks out and not given a

45:35

fog. And. The serious as

45:37

like you are fucking up by

45:39

easy days of feasting and thirties

45:41

and keeping the peace that are

45:43

that that their ran for. your

45:45

grandfather got got set up soap

45:47

and an element of the thera

45:49

you know, not actually quite trusting

45:51

his daughter here. By.

45:53

Sending Her the Moon T as what it's

45:56

called. yeah, which is it shows the kind

45:58

of riff that's kind of opening. Between

46:00

them that like daddy doesn't quite trust

46:02

me, he's nuts. He made me. He.

46:04

he made me air. But. You.

46:07

Know that that feel like increasingly like lip

46:09

service to her. and she's also intrigued by

46:11

the Daemon the you know the the what

46:13

what dame and offers which is your have

46:15

to make a choice. You can have it

46:17

all. I'm if you

46:20

if you play your cards right. There's also

46:22

I'm in a lot of things in terms

46:24

of by who her suitors were from this

46:26

chapter which kind of goes back or this

46:29

reading to go back the last week about

46:31

who was flirting with her ah, the World

46:33

of Ice and Fire mentions that that both

46:35

Lancaster boys Jason anti Linda were buying for

46:38

it's of their affections We saw Jason taken

46:40

up by poking her last ah har when

46:42

strong through his hat narang. Ah

46:44

ah and we see him you know

46:46

the make an ad that big grin

46:48

on her. Be very impressed with her

46:51

hunt. Last episode in here runs into

46:53

her shows concern but also see the

46:55

seas with Damon and like well. That's.

46:58

That's not good to get into. When

47:01

they even mentioned that the dual fought over

47:03

her so a lot of that material was

47:05

kind of projected backwards and and used this

47:07

week as well. Ah yes, gonna lie. Yeah

47:09

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47:11

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47:26

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47:28

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47:30

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50:02

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50:09

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50:15

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50:17

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50:23

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50:27

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50:29

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April third. And

52:02

now back to haunt the. Says

52:05

I can. I will not speak for

52:07

anyone else but myself regarding why Saber

52:09

the Green oh boy wondered if we

52:11

give off. I. Wonder if

52:13

we get all the way to the

52:15

season before we get the greens vs.

52:18

black? No such luck. Ah, initially I

52:20

had no preference because I knew what

52:22

the entire story the dances about what

52:24

represents a fundamental tragedy mint emphasize the

52:27

futility of targeted exceptionalism. And. To

52:29

believe otherwise. It's foolish, So I never had

52:31

inclination to like either side until after watching

52:33

through the first season the house a dragon

52:35

and realise. Realise. Just how

52:38

badly the truncated format hindered development

52:40

for several characters and however unintended

52:42

but audiences with a bias towards

52:44

Team Black as being morally superior.

52:47

I liked it to the where where establishing.

52:50

Ultimate. Unbiased This unfairness. It

52:52

was. the The The email

52:54

a sense of justice. At

52:57

seeing how badly the greens have been

52:59

added managed. Ah,

53:03

I. Don't know about you. But when any

53:05

narrative demands to me that I must like

53:07

a character whether through framing or dialogue, my

53:09

knee jerk responses to do the opposite wasn't

53:12

hard for me to look at everything that

53:14

A Compass To Greens onscreen. read through Fire

53:16

and Blood multiple times during the hiatus and

53:19

use of a bit a critical thinking. Try

53:21

it, Blacks! Try on

53:24

into critically about the realm

53:26

and being lille Have you

53:28

tried logic and we haven't

53:30

tried that? will have to

53:32

take hundred vitamin. What?

53:34

It boils that as it is more compelling.

53:36

for me, almost all the characters representing the

53:38

Green Faction are more tragic in the Tax

53:40

than the subtext both source materials. They're arguably

53:43

the most doomed by the narrative to the

53:45

in action and action of other characters like

53:47

the Serious Dame and and Run Neera. Eat.

53:49

Me the dance begun while they're fast and

53:51

to behold are not free from criticism but

53:54

what I refute is inseparable deal with which

53:56

many people believe Team Black. Or

53:58

to be free. Criticism apparently.

54:01

That's the trouble with not Easy being

54:03

Green when every attempt to make the

54:05

outwardly criticize and analyzed tax boils down

54:07

to fans of either side dismissing and

54:09

trivializing the characters to you like characters.

54:12

I. Love this email. I wasn't going to

54:15

read any green vs. Black arm and

54:17

are idle now. Maybe people accuse me

54:19

of being on. We'll by picking on

54:21

the green. Ah, but I'm sure it'll

54:23

be just as hideous. Ah, not that

54:25

this is hideous. This. Is illustrate

54:27

of. This. Is the

54:29

green vs Blacks in the books like

54:32

the greens are being? Well Actually the

54:34

the rules of succession were set clear

54:36

and the target a slap in a

54:39

book southerner at their hands and call

54:41

them nerds and given a wet willies.

54:44

And. The greens are right. And.

54:47

Greens probably care more about the realm

54:49

as a whole but also little less.

54:51

It's it's just this is this is

54:54

just human nature laid naked and bear

54:56

men the former state politics so we

54:58

can actually engage in make fun of

55:00

it. I love and I sure now

55:03

without thing I plan on weight. I.

55:05

Can't wait now the blood is gonna be on

55:07

the ground that sits. gonna get get wild. Yeah

55:10

yeah. But. Yeah, No,

55:12

you're not. You're not wrong. You're not

55:14

wrong arm. I don't know. As

55:18

I try to keep newton of impartial

55:20

about ah. You know

55:22

how things are betrayed? the books versus

55:24

the series. I actually think Allison: this

55:26

is a great episode for Greens sympathizers

55:28

because. She's. Being shit

55:30

on and Ramirez brat. Line.

55:33

Point Blank. Period. Odd, that

55:35

is the that is what screaming off

55:37

the the screen here. Ah,

55:39

unless you like. Fun!

55:42

And a little intrigue and will spice and

55:44

life. If you like Alice you to you

55:46

know if you like tapioca pudding asher be

55:48

a green. Green. Death He

55:50

if you buy your fall like

55:52

a nice spicy tuna or something

55:54

as maybe maybe a taco. Ah.

55:57

Yeah. Klitschko. What's the black? All their.

56:00

Boyer. In. Boring to be stuck

56:02

in a castle when you could be offline

56:04

on a dragon. C C Kings I'm here

56:06

a series a little less real than I

56:08

can. He is. he's on. Ironically, why was

56:11

I was wrong? There are you what color

56:13

you were in, sir. Simon.

56:15

Wire My I'm I'm I'm I'm read,

56:17

I'm I'm I'm trying to split the

56:19

death as Hungarian color lacks I had.

56:21

but it's it's the last. It. But.

56:23

Hundred of years went black man. Is

56:26

where blacks the I were if I

56:28

were probably on my sleeve, although I'd

56:30

time in shortly. her sleeves se as

56:33

not I'm not a truth in the

56:35

Black Sea doesn't have. We were in

56:37

featured. Ah but yeah no

56:39

thank you for provide. I was wondering how long

56:41

we get We made it the fourth the fourth

56:43

week before the. The greens and the blacks are

56:45

a rare there and I'm on a trial like

56:48

the serious to keep. Odd.

56:50

That the the the warring between

56:52

the two factions I love or

56:54

my try to maintain to peace

56:56

during during my lifetime. Ah. Cyrus.

56:59

Says my book. Nerd paintings were in a twist

57:01

the first time around the the I read Twisted

57:03

again when I heard a iran say the episode

57:05

is called second of his name because this a

57:07

gun was second to be called a gun. Let.

57:10

Me put my glasses up to my brow.

57:12

incorrect. You gents a green no doubt. The.

57:15

Second arc ah are Gone was

57:17

born outside the second or are.org

57:20

are we talking elements in a

57:22

periodic table mouth. The second: a

57:24

gun was born to a this.

57:27

Some. Egg on the cursed. at

57:30

the my were being I'm from or I enjoy.

57:34

Not born are born to enough

57:36

what I believe. I.

57:38

Believe or Georgia. Push his glasses up and

57:40

say it's a nice know I'm why am

57:42

I buying it Look, however, ever forget her

57:44

name? You just you just don't like the

57:46

fact that you named people Amos and Reign

57:48

as Man. If it wasn't raw, they wouldn't

57:50

said it that way. And the show. That's.

57:53

True Wireless signal and what is?

57:55

Corliss knows his wife's name as

57:57

a nurse. Ah, the in as

57:59

a nice. What is that? Ah, so

58:01

the serious analysis on a gun is not a

58:03

second. they got a gun. The second of his

58:05

name was a hint and a nod to the

58:07

book Readers by Candle and arguably a spoiler. Ah,

58:10

This is true this is your he

58:12

isn't technically the second but of his

58:15

name only is like of his regional

58:17

name. Is. Not a king yet.

58:20

Ah, Corners of Blacks never was a

58:22

king. Of and the Green

58:24

say otherwise. But yeah yeah, I appreciate

58:26

the distinction. Their Cyrus. And.

58:28

Then Nodule says one add something about can and

58:31

and what is factor true that seems you guys

58:33

interpret that ah that as the show was telling

58:35

the truth version of the book can and which

58:37

isn't really the case the book, the course

58:39

of and as different versions of events according to

58:42

different sources. But it's not like the show was

58:44

telling us what actually happened in the books and

58:46

giving us the definitive account of the different sources.

58:49

Because they're also thing that happened know show that

58:51

one hundred percent would been told us back. To.

58:54

The books because there are many witnesses but aren't

58:56

like run nearest is bursting through the floor later

58:58

in the season. There is

59:01

book can and with inaccuracies in different defending

59:03

sources because of it's history books style telling

59:05

an airshow cannon. The show cannons adapted from

59:07

the book candid but it also changes things

59:10

it chooses and picks which one it wants

59:12

to adapt. Sometimes it's uses one in sources,

59:14

sometimes another. Sometimes it just make something up

59:17

that isn't in the book at all. It's

59:19

not like a show is some definitive history

59:21

that would have consequences for the winds of

59:23

winter if it's ever released. it be helpful

59:25

I think to be book and shows two

59:27

completely different properties. King.

59:30

Gym Harris Your reaction. Financing.

59:33

Like that's was you have to do if you

59:35

wanted square any of this. Otherwise you're left to

59:37

say when the books are wrong. You.

59:39

Know because we have an omniscient. P.

59:41

O V hear. That sees

59:44

everything as it happens in

59:46

the show. So. There's

59:49

really no disputing offing now in the way

59:51

they happen in the show unless it's someone

59:53

on screen telling us to something happened Did

59:55

can dispute. Yeah is

59:57

it is it is. So I guess.

1:00:00

I'll own sake of I I. I

1:00:02

don't like this. I'm there's not very

1:00:04

many places where you have this weird

1:00:06

cannon where the books and the show

1:00:09

like in Star Trek. it's like while

1:00:11

the show that movies or can and

1:00:13

and if the books get things wrong

1:00:16

or directly contradicted. Sway. The Star

1:00:18

Wars works like the movies are the can and that

1:00:20

he has a movie fan and yeah, Yeah.

1:00:23

Ah, and I you know and anna may sometimes

1:00:25

weird shit happens where the enemy will get ahead

1:00:27

of the manga. but then the man, japan's like

1:00:29

a while. That's not what happened right in and

1:00:32

you'll have lived. Yelled. Marvel at

1:00:34

all costs. Brotherhood were like, oh,

1:00:36

they'll go to the Anna May

1:00:38

who fall the correct canon and

1:00:40

it's it's all because dwarfs fucking

1:00:42

can't write fast enough. Ah, that's

1:00:44

the only reason we have this

1:00:47

weird non subordinate cannons as because.

1:00:49

He. Fuck and forked his own

1:00:51

universe by not finishing it. And

1:00:54

by trying to kind of like.

1:00:58

Do a whole bunch of work and these

1:01:00

prequels, that kind of beer things back the

1:01:02

way he he season in lieu of just

1:01:04

riding the fucking book. So. Will.

1:01:06

Enter the Nature of Fire and

1:01:08

Blood is being a third hand

1:01:10

accounts I'm now and in some

1:01:12

cases you know I a second

1:01:14

hand account I've here. If your

1:01:16

time of mushroom ride like but

1:01:18

all hearsay all the exactly like

1:01:20

it all your lay at by

1:01:22

design so you it's hard for

1:01:24

me to say well take a

1:01:26

look at the show and. Discard

1:01:29

what the show is doing because the

1:01:31

book says this: where the show is,

1:01:33

like I said, is omniscient. P.

1:01:35

O V and the book is

1:01:37

hearsay, so eight in this case.

1:01:39

In this one case, to me

1:01:41

it feels right, more right. I

1:01:43

guess to take the show as

1:01:45

canon and the book as what

1:01:47

it was written as, which is.

1:01:50

As an are fallible account of

1:01:52

events. yeah but that's this yeah

1:01:54

like department is. George is the

1:01:56

author and so late it's hard

1:01:58

to say discounted. Entirely. I I

1:02:00

get why people wanted say oh fire

1:02:02

and is the actual accounting and these

1:02:05

are two separate cannons entirely in a

1:02:07

school. I just think in this

1:02:09

one case it's really weird. It.

1:02:11

Is really weird especially since you know

1:02:13

I get we wouldn't be have this

1:02:15

discussion if if Ah George had written

1:02:17

Dance, Dance, The Dance of Dragons That

1:02:19

the right you know and it's a

1:02:21

narrative account with ever wins, internal monologue

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and all of expo he didn't He

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wrote it as a history taking core

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a place hundred years after the fact.

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or as like as want to get to this point where I could

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ask is it. It's very hard

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to believe that rain s bus

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stop out of the floor and

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interrupt the coronation of the false

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king and than doesn't get a

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medicine and use this summer. But

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also your about the plunge, the

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realm and to have a civil

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war where the capital. Is

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gonna be disputed and probably going to change

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hands a few times that this will. records

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get burned people get put to the sword.

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A lot of small like. Is

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it impossible in antiquity

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for something that momentous

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to. Have. Been

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forgotten or made a mythical

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or exit a dismissed as

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an exaggeration. I.

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Don't know if that's what I as

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an hour for myself. I'm always trying

1:03:19

to find that what is the truth

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which is ah of a vain hope

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in life as as wells with fiction

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but that that's that's my. That's.

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My bias As long as as you guys are aware

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of it, When. Ah,

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it's it's. it's it's interesting. It's it's kind of unique.

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I've never. Seen a

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can and that kind of like divided display

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there. Are. Finally got Taylor says

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what are your thoughts regards a large points left

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out. The prime example I'm thinking is Darien seems

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like he should have been introduced at least in

1:03:47

season one at now peacefully left our the show

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what is the Can and there he plays a

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large role in the books future so to be

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incentives the out handled I think Candle confirmed the

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he was born last season. It's just he is

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off being worded. it. In at the Height

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Hours! So this is the youngest of

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the brothers between Damon and and the.

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Aegon. ah so I I don't think

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this forgot, it's just the he gonna

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you know he's as a kid and

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he gets shipped off and he's out

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sight outta mind right now so don't

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think will have any huge discrepancy. Their

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ah if you have any other thoughts

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I'm your host they around and I'm

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Jim.