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Hi,

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and welcome to Housewives of

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True Crime. Welcome. Welcome.

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I am Tabitha. Give me date

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line, white wine, and I'll pick

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up your kids in the carpool line. The

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next day. Right? Yeah. The next day. Okay. and

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I have Gretchen. I like

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white wine, true crime, and

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in bed by night because I have lot left to do in

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the morning. We

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are housewives of

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True Crime. Yes, we.

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Yes, we are. Welcome.

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Welcome. Housewives of True

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Crime.

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What's up? Happy Monday.

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Happy Monday. Or Thursday for

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us. Thursday

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for us, but I would like to fast forward

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to Monday because I will

1:00

be finished moving on Monday,

1:03

God willing. Oh, good for you.

1:06

don't you wish you could kinda just erase that

1:09

that actual moving day where the movers

1:11

come and all

1:13

that? And then it's you

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know, you get in fight with your husband and

1:18

you yell at each other a little bit and then --

1:20

Mhmm. -- you're finally moved in.

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When it comes Monday and you're happy. Yeah.

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I would love to have best forward that.

1:27

Yeah. Now, you know, we're

1:29

getting ready for the Thanksgiving. Oh,

1:31

I know. Are

1:33

you ready? Yeah. I know.

1:34

Of course not. No, because I'm moving.

1:37

But something funny did kinda happen,

1:39

so I've been door dashing a lot of

1:41

food lately because we're so busy. was moving.

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And this door dash driver came

1:45

to my house and I liked him

1:48

right away because I knew he was

1:50

coming because he was playing like Michael

1:52

Jackson, like, so loud.

1:55

It was like human nature. Oh. Okay.

1:57

It was like, okay. It was like you're feeling my

1:59

vibe.

1:59

It's about tequila. I've lost -- Uh-huh.

2:02

-- keep keeping mellow. k?

2:04

So I hear them coming like a mile away,

2:06

so it gives me plenty of time to put my dog out

2:08

so I can answer the door. And I

2:10

look out to check out his car and it's

2:12

covered in like, he's written in

2:14

like shoe polish all over it.

2:16

And it says like,

2:18

buried alive and I'm

2:20

like, oh my gosh. What? He's

2:22

like Ryan Ferguson's dad.

2:24

He's got a case

2:25

for me. Didi?

2:27

No.

2:27

He's like,

2:29

got all this stuff about, you know,

2:31

like, check it out, website,

2:32

right

2:35

No.

2:35

He's selling a book. It's like a spiritual

2:37

book or something. Oh. But so then I still

2:39

was like, I, you know, I chatted it with him for a

2:41

while about it. and I tried looking

2:43

up the book and, you know, that's a common

2:45

book name.

2:49

It's

2:49

really common, so I feel kind of bad

2:52

for him. I don't think you're gonna sell it, dude.

2:54

You mean to maybe change that name? He's not

2:56

selling it. You know who else is not selling

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it for me is did you see that Casey

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Anthony is doing some sort of

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tell all? I'm

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real pissed about it, actually.

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You you and Nancy Graceman. She is

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right. Oh, she is. Yes. See, you

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know -- Yeah. -- that's why we get Nancy

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Grace because I am right

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pissed also. And although

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I will probably watch I'm not gonna be happy

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about

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it. I was just gonna say, research

3:25

purposes, even though

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we don't do children and we'll never do

3:29

that case. But, you know, Nancy's

3:31

pissed Nancy says that they talked to her

3:33

about going on it,

3:35

and she said, hilt to the no. think

3:37

so. Yeah. Hilt to the no.

3:39

because you can't well, oh, because

3:41

they said she was not gonna be able

3:43

to interrogate

3:45

Casey. And

3:45

she's like, oh, no. If you won't let me ask for

3:48

questions. I'm not talking -- Yeah. -- if you don't let me talk

3:50

to her. No. So

3:51

I kinda like that about Nancy. I mean, she's such

3:53

a little spiff. Yeah. She really is.

3:55

Okay. Alright. We should get Let's do it. Yeah.

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Okay. We are headed

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East this week, Gretchy

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to a small town called Elizabeth

4:09

City, North Carolina. Not

4:12

To be confused with Elizabethtown, which

4:15

I did at first, I did a whole bunch of research

4:17

on Elizabethtown, and then I figured

4:19

out if it's Elizabeth City, also

4:21

both in North Carolina. I

4:24

guess they like the name Elizabeth. Okay.

4:26

Elizabeth City is much bigger than

4:29

Elizabethtown, but it's still not that big.

4:31

It only has about eighteen thousand

4:33

people. This

4:35

town is really freaking

4:37

cute. Okay?

4:38

I know Gretchen you

4:40

would love it. It sits on the

4:42

ocean and you can get a

4:44

house kinda inland for a few hundred

4:46

thousand dollars and on the water

4:48

with a dock and everything for

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about seven hundred k.

4:53

And -- Okay. -- that's not

4:55

bad. A house

4:57

with the dock on

4:58

the water? It seems

5:00

like I just read Jazelle. She bought

5:03

the house next door to Tom Brady.

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she did? On the water with

5:07

a dock. Yeah. Right now? Yeah.

5:10

Right now. Probably for twenty mil. Eleven

5:12

point four. Half of that. Okay.

5:15

So

5:15

a lot of sure she's gonna do that money

5:18

that much money in

5:19

renovations. though, because she's gonna try and keep

5:21

up with him. She's gonna be like, okay. Oh,

5:23

let's show you kids who's got the Warfighter.

5:25

Yeah. Sure. No.

5:26

You daddy. hey. So I guess he

5:28

won. Right? Last

5:30

week or this week for football?

5:33

I don't even know. Yes. And so I've

5:35

I saw this funny name that was, like,

5:37

his Twitter feed and it was, like,

5:40

guess

5:40

what makes, you know, turns

5:43

us around and it's like divorce.

5:45

It

5:45

was pretty funny. Why

5:47

not? because he was he was getting, like,

5:50

not doing well in football. and

5:52

then -- Right. -- you

5:53

know, break up -- Nice. -- do better.

5:56

Okay. That's all he has to worry about

5:58

now. Okay.

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So, anyways, these houses

6:02

real cute. Like, no England style.

6:04

They got porches, you know, the type.

6:06

Yeah.

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Sounds great. Probably a lot like

6:09

giselle's.

6:11

So back in twenty eighteen, there

6:13

was a lovely couple named Milton

6:15

and Anne Angel Sawyer.

6:20

Okay. These two were like the

6:22

Brady Bunch. Two divorcees with

6:24

a bunch of kids in between the two of them

6:26

Angel had four kids when she met

6:28

Milton back in two thousand eleven.

6:30

She was thirty eight years old

6:33

and she was on her way to

6:35

be a divorce. not quite

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had the paperwork signed yet.

6:40

When she saw Milton He,

6:44

you know, he was taking a liking to her.

6:46

He was also divorced a

6:49

three kids, and she was into

6:51

him. Milton was

6:53

ten years older than Angel and

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owned a business, had a

6:58

great personality and seemed

7:00

just perfect.

7:01

Milton

7:05

was one of those guys that

7:07

everyone knew. He grew up in

7:09

Elizabeth City, and

7:11

just made his way around town. Always

7:13

talking to anyone and everyone. Like

7:15

I said, he was a business owner. He owned

7:17

a shop. in

7:18

town called treasure hunters, which

7:20

was an antique and collectible shop.

7:24

I

7:24

could see going

7:25

into some place like that. I

7:28

do like going into places like

7:30

that, but I have a different

7:33

idea of the

7:35

Milton now. because I

7:37

already thought the name Milton was not sexy,

7:39

and I've never found myself attracted

7:42

to one of those

7:43

treasure hunter like shop

7:45

owner. You

7:47

know, I

7:49

think you might be attracted

7:52

to Milton.

7:53

He's not the I think

7:56

he's not

7:57

the

7:58

I would not be attracted to Milton.

8:01

Okay. But he's

8:03

kind of like that guy that

8:05

everybody wants to know type.

8:07

I don't know. I mean,

8:11

He's got some mojo. He's got something

8:14

working before. Yes. And he knows he

8:16

knows a lot about, you know, old

8:18

stuff. I'm there. Old

8:19

stuff, Americana. Yeah.

8:21

Mhmm. Okay. Maybe. Yeah.

8:24

So Angel and Milton married

8:26

pretty quickly

8:27

after she got divorced. in

8:29

two

8:29

thousand and twelve. I mean, she

8:31

wasn't messing around, especially with

8:33

four kids. That's a lot of kids to have to get

8:36

remarried and find somebody to you

8:38

know,

8:39

wanna

8:40

integrate. take that on. Yeah.

8:42

Yeah.

8:43

These two look like they were the

8:46

perfectly married couple,

8:48

Angel was real pretty

8:50

lady, and she knew

8:51

it, which I think

8:54

bothered her in laws at times.

8:56

They claim that she thought

8:58

she was the bee's knees when it came to

9:00

the beauty department. And

9:03

she was attractive She

9:05

was no disco biscuit

9:07

in my opinion, but

9:09

I think Milton thought she was.

9:12

It's on

9:12

the couch. Yeah. And, you

9:15

know, she wasn't even forty yet, so

9:17

she had that going for her.

9:19

Yeah.

9:19

Mhmm.

9:20

She know wrinkles. still

9:22

could probably eat and drink

9:24

a

9:24

lot. Yeah. I got a

9:27

good look at myself in the car today.

9:29

and, you know, I've got, like, jowls

9:31

or something going on early, like,

9:34

shit. That definitely does

9:36

not have credential after It doesn't happen

9:38

until after forty, but I swear it

9:40

starts it starts going down quick.

9:42

It starts falling. And

9:45

then I had the mustache. I

9:47

got that angle. Came home. Got

9:49

out my tinkle razor. My

9:52

husband's working from home too, and I

9:54

was like, oh, shit. I'm gonna cut myself

9:56

fee.

9:56

Catches don't yeah. Don't do that. You

9:59

gotta just do it. You

9:59

gotta shave in front of the man.

10:01

That is, like, not second. Oh,

10:03

my husband was like, you got a lot of peach fuzz on

10:05

your face right now. And I was like, oh, shoot.

10:07

I get that out too. Yeah.

10:10

I was

10:10

like, I don't know why. Weird. Just all

10:12

of a sudden came on.

10:15

So

10:16

during their marriage,

10:18

these two, they went on vacations, they went

10:21

to sporting games, they

10:23

worked at the shop together, and

10:25

actually Angel put a woman's

10:27

touch to the shop organizing

10:29

it, you know, which Milton really

10:31

appreciated because people said it looked

10:33

much better once Angel stepped into

10:35

milk since life. On the night

10:37

of August first two

10:40

thousand eighteen, these two

10:43

were kid free at

10:45

last for one night. I

10:47

mean, what? They

10:47

had seven

10:49

kids between the two of them

10:51

and they had two last teenagers

10:53

living in the house.

10:54

So these

10:56

two teens were at a friend's house

10:59

and the two

11:01

lovebirds Melton and Angel

11:03

were watching some late night television.

11:05

When Angel got up for a

11:07

snack sometime after midnight,

11:10

which now is August second.

11:12

Okay? The early mornings of August second.

11:14

And Angel was confronted by

11:16

a masked gunman. He

11:18

ordered Angel to get on the ground

11:20

and started ransacking the

11:23

house. He immediately took

11:25

Milton into the bathroom tied him

11:27

up and pistol whipped Angel

11:29

to the point where she was

11:31

so disoriented, she didn't

11:33

know what time it was,

11:35

or what time

11:36

it was when she came to?

11:39

By the time Angel

11:41

figured out where she was and what was

11:43

going on, the mass man

11:45

was gone. Her house was

11:47

trashed and Milton was

11:49

lying lifeless.

11:50

She was able to break free from

11:53

her restraints. And when she tried to

11:55

wake Milton, he was gone.

11:57

He

11:57

was too heavy for her to turn over and

11:59

perform any lifesaving measures,

12:01

so she frick the f

12:03

out. She went to get her cell phone, but

12:05

she had left it in her car that

12:07

night, which was locked and the

12:09

intruder had stolen her keys.

12:11

She ran to a

12:13

few neighbor's houses knocking on the door, but

12:15

you can imagine it's like real

12:17

late at night. So

12:19

nobody's answering until she goes to

12:21

her neighbor's and he finally answered.

12:23

She was crying and begging for

12:25

help. This man, he

12:27

calls nine eleven, play

12:30

the nine eleven call here.

12:32

So it's

12:33

just like, hey, my neighbor

12:35

is

12:35

here. She's screaming. She says her

12:38

husband's dead and somebody shopper.

12:40

somebody

12:40

broke in their house. Okay?

12:42

When

12:42

police got there, they see they

12:45

have a home invasion with a

12:47

homicide on their hands, and it

12:49

looked like This rubber just

12:51

entered through the back door with a key.

12:52

Angel informed them that

12:55

they leave a key on their back

12:57

table for any of the kids if they

12:59

need to get in. Like, if they

13:01

lose their key, I guess? Yeah. I

13:02

was gonna say, I'm kind of surprised they even

13:04

lock it. I mean, it doesn't sound like a

13:06

big town?

13:07

Okay. So I thought the same

13:10

thing. That's what I was gonna say. Like, why would you

13:12

even lock your door

13:12

then? If you're gonna just leave a key there.

13:14

People comment and going. Yeah.

13:18

Okay.

13:18

I mean,

13:19

nowadays and maybe

13:22

not

13:22

in two thousand eighteen, but you got the keypad

13:24

with the the number six step

13:26

now, so you don't even need a key anymore.

13:28

Let me

13:29

tell you how grown up I am now.

13:31

Buy in a ring cam for

13:33

this house. Good

13:34

job. You totally should.

13:36

Yeah. I'm really

13:36

excited about it. Great. Just

13:39

try and take my shit, porch pirates.

13:41

Right?

13:41

You can investigate you. You can even

13:43

talk to them while they're there. You could be like, don't

13:45

sue my shit. I'm

13:47

watching you.

13:49

So the key was sitting there when

13:51

the investigators got there. So they

13:53

were like, bam, hopefully there's

13:55

some DNA or some fingerprints on

13:57

this. so they collected

13:59

it right away. Angel was rushed to the

14:01

hospital as she had a head injury

14:03

that needed tending to, and

14:05

she was an emotional wreck.

14:07

Even when they were giving her the CT

14:10

scan to, like, check her neck and all the

14:12

stuff, she was just crying out for

14:14

Milton. even though she

14:16

knew Milton was long gone. Police

14:18

were very interested in

14:20

who the sawiers were and

14:22

what exactly Milton did

14:24

Like, was his treasure shop more like

14:26

a pawn shop? And

14:29

I actually think it may have started

14:32

to get closer to that.

14:34

as money was tight for the soyors.

14:36

And

14:37

Milton did buy and

14:39

sell gold and buy things that

14:41

he thought going to be of good value

14:43

and possibly had some

14:45

run ins with some people that were

14:47

not so savory folk.

14:49

Well, a lot of robbers

14:51

be taking their stuff to the pawn shop.

14:53

That is true. They

14:55

do take their steps to the pawn shop. That's what I'm

14:57

saying. Like, he was a

14:59

collectible guy antiques,

15:00

but I think when you kinda

15:02

get desperate for money, you start

15:04

taking in. Well, maybe you

15:06

are desperate for money and then you

15:08

want your stuff back. I

15:10

would

15:10

I would worry about that too. What

15:13

do you mean? Well, like, say, like, you

15:15

have a drug problem or something and you're you're

15:17

like, I'm gonna sell this gold

15:19

heirloom watch or

15:21

something so I can get my drugs. and then you're

15:23

gonna get high and be like,

15:26

maybe I need to go kick that guy's ass and get

15:28

my cold heirloom back. Yeah. You're right.

15:31

Yes.

15:31

And I think that's what the

15:33

investigators thought, right? Because I

15:35

think a lot of these people were

15:37

selling their stuff for drug money.

15:40

Yeah. So when they questioned Angel

15:42

about Milton and their

15:45

relationship and who they saw that

15:47

day, Angel had a lot to say.

15:50

First, she said her and her husband

15:52

were thickest thieves. They loved

15:53

each other to pieces. and

15:56

they

15:56

made love day and night every

15:58

single day.

16:00

Puke.

16:00

yeah To which

16:01

I say, fake

16:03

news.

16:05

Fake news. Not with seven kids in the house.

16:07

You

16:07

did it. Well, she only had two in

16:10

that time, but still I

16:12

don't care if you have zero kids in the

16:14

house. Day and

16:16

night. Come on. Yeah.

16:20

Okay. And Was the Milton?

16:22

Sorry.

16:23

No. But she did offer

16:25

a very big clue. Milton had bought

16:27

a TV from some dude

16:29

he had it

16:31

passed with, like, they had some

16:33

dealings at the antique shop, and

16:35

they had some dealings at the antique

16:37

shop. and this guy seemed to

16:39

be a bit shady.

16:41

Angel said he and his girlfriend that

16:43

day came in gave

16:45

her a weird vibe, sold melt in

16:47

the TV and went on their way. Well,

16:50

police knew this cat right away. His

16:52

name was common in the arrest world

16:54

in Elizabeth City, and

16:56

committing crime was his jam.

16:59

So they went straightaway to see

17:01

what was up. Walt

17:03

turns out this dynamic duo

17:05

was actually already locked up

17:07

for another situation they got themselves

17:10

in dealing some

17:11

drugs.

17:12

So, Greta,

17:13

you're

17:14

on it. I

17:16

am

17:16

on

17:17

it. So both of the

17:19

people involved, admitted to selling

17:22

Melton is TV using the money

17:23

from for some illegal substances,

17:27

but they were adamant

17:27

that they did not kill Milton.

17:30

They both did have

17:32

an alibi, phone records, and

17:35

such to prove that they were not the

17:37

robbers or the murders of

17:39

Milton. So then who

17:41

could it be? Who could it be

17:44

now? Well, Milton did have a

17:46

few conversations when some people

17:48

about thinking his wife with

17:50

having an affair with

17:52

her. So they definitely

17:54

not day and night age all

17:57

don't be having time to have an affair

17:59

and put out that line.

17:59

Oh my gosh. That is what I was gonna

18:02

say. They he thought she was having an

18:04

affair with her physical therapist. And what I

18:06

said was, if you're having

18:08

it two times a day,

18:10

plus

18:10

with the sancho,

18:13

maybe really raw.

18:14

Yeah.

18:15

Yeah. I don't think so. So

18:18

Milton

18:18

had told his brother that he noticed

18:21

Angel not wearing her usual sweats to

18:23

physical therapy She

18:25

was taking nice long showers before

18:27

heading there and dolan

18:29

her face up a little too much,

18:31

as my grandparents would say. Okay.

18:35

So they questioned Angel on

18:37

this physical

18:38

therapist. Angel said

18:40

yes, she was seeing a physical therapist for a while after a

18:42

car accident she had been in, but she was

18:44

no longer going to him, and there

18:47

was No way there was any

18:49

infidelity with this dude. She

18:51

was happily married. She

18:54

did say Milton was really

18:56

jealous of this guy would

18:58

so she was like, I'd rather be in

19:00

pain than ruin our marriage over this

19:02

jealousy, so she's stopped going.

19:05

TO

19:05

SEE THE

19:06

SKY. SHE

19:09

EVEN MENTIONED ONE TIME THAT THEY

19:11

WERE AT THE BEACH AND THIS

19:13

PHYSICAL THERAPIST showed up at the

19:15

same beach with his wife and kids, and

19:17

Milton got so angry with him

19:19

and even confronted the

19:21

guy. And She

19:23

was like, Milton, sex pot

19:25

husband, no need to get weird. It's

19:27

just coincidence. That's embarrassing.

19:31

Yeah. Although

19:32

my husband is jelly belly, I

19:34

have the excuse to, like, put on I

19:36

mean, I can

19:37

wear makeup.

19:37

He's not, like, crazy. but

19:40

I never do. Right? But

19:42

my excuse now is like, oh,

19:44

dad wants

19:44

to record me. Yeah.

19:48

But if I saw much his coat my hair, he's like, where

19:50

are you going? Right. And if you were

19:52

putting on the makeup for physical therapy,

19:54

he might think twice.

19:57

So all this talk about

20:00

the physical therapist did peak the

20:02

entrance of the police, so they take

20:04

themselves right over to the physical

20:06

therapist's house which

20:07

his name is Isaac

20:10

Melcher, and they

20:12

question him about and

20:14

Milton, and if he had anything to do with

20:16

this murder. They show up

20:18

to Isaacs and Isaacs says yes,

20:20

I know Angel. She was a patient

20:23

of mine. I have no

20:25

idea what happened to her husband, and I'm

20:27

going through my own divorce, so I don't have

20:29

time for this business. And

20:31

they say, okay. SaaS. Yo. Can we, like,

20:33

see your phone, your phone records? Can

20:36

we, like, check out

20:37

your phone? Maybe you can do

20:39

that for us. And he

20:41

says, well, actually, I spilled some water on

20:43

it last night, which also happened to be the

20:45

night of the murders. So

20:47

I don't have my phone any longer.

20:50

which

20:52

could be a weird coincidence

20:54

or It could be

20:56

suspicious. Okay. It

20:58

could be. Back at the crime scene, you know, they

21:00

are destined for parents trying to get any

21:02

clues. They're very hopeful that this

21:04

key has some fingerprint,

21:07

something left behind. And back

21:09

at the Sawyer Home, Angel

21:11

is preparing a funeral for her husband.

21:14

And let me tell you, Melton

21:16

had a lot of friends. His

21:19

obituary page is filled

21:21

with so many lovely

21:23

notes from people he knew along the

21:26

way. Notes on

21:27

how sorry they were for Angel

21:29

and the kids. And do you

21:31

ever do you ever go on these with, like, the victims?

21:36

when you're researching. Like, they're a bit you're a bit Searching

21:38

it. I go yeah. I go to,

21:39

like, legacy dot com and stuff. You can

21:41

see, like, you know, some

21:43

kind of obituary or I find it

21:45

in local paper. Yeah. That's how I get a lot of people's

21:48

names. Okay. And do

21:49

you ever read or find out here's a little

21:51

trick? What? You find out where a lot of people

21:53

are. because maybe sometimes people

21:56

wanna be off the radar, but when they're

21:58

privatized, they don't think about the

21:59

fact that their name is gonna be

22:02

published. Oh.

22:02

So then I know what town you live. That's

22:05

true. I'm

22:05

cool though. I don't like out you. I

22:07

just know for my own

22:09

specific stalling, you

22:12

know. I find do you find a

22:14

lot of people through obituaries? Yes.

22:15

I know I do too, but this

22:17

one in particular because I do

22:19

read also the comments on

22:22

them. because if you actually get sometimes

22:24

you just get like an obituary that's not their

22:26

real obituary, when you really get real

22:28

one, you often see what

22:31

people say and their friends and their

22:33

family or whatever. And

22:35

this one I found was

22:38

like all the

22:39

people right when it happened, you

22:41

know, wrote, like, I'm so sorry. I

22:44

knew I knew Milton in high

22:46

school. I, you know, went to a shop

22:48

all the time. I mean, it was really

22:50

heartfelt. Like, this guy

22:52

was he

22:52

people love this

22:55

guy. Okay? Okay.

22:56

The other thing

22:57

I saw was the video that

22:59

they made for his life

23:01

that they showed at his funeral.

23:04

Mhmm. Which was really

23:06

sad because it's like it's

23:08

from when Milton was a kid to

23:10

him kissing his kids on their graduation

23:13

day to lots and lots of

23:15

memories with angels, so I'm pretty sure she is the

23:17

one that put this together. in the

23:19

chronological order that she did it in

23:21

was not very good either, but, you

23:23

know, not giving her a

23:24

lot of credit. of his first any

23:26

of his first wife.

23:27

There was one of a

23:30

woman that could have been his first

23:32

wife, but knowing how narcissistic

23:35

Angel was I doubt

23:37

it was

23:37

her. Maybe it was his sister or

23:40

something. I feel

23:41

like it's appropriate to put of

23:43

course, it is. It's like a life of,

23:45

you know, when my husband did my

23:47

fortieth birthday video. For me,

23:50

he he reached

23:51

out to my two

23:53

of my ex boyfriends that were really

23:55

close to me, you

23:57

know, for years. and had them

23:59

do videos. And one of them did and one of

24:01

them didn't. Okay. Yeah. That

24:03

is a true story. Mhmm. That

24:05

is extra though. I mean,

24:07

I think it's cool that he did it, but I

24:10

don't think that's necessary to get

24:12

the x's for the fortieth expectation. No.

24:14

But it was really nice. I think it's

24:17

qualifier, but when you die, yeah, they are

24:19

obligated on the clock on their

24:21

doors. Well, you can get the one that didn't do it

24:23

for the party birthday. Okay?

24:25

Oh, you bet your ass. I'm knocking on his door. You

24:27

gotta be dead before me, by the way.

24:29

Oh, first.

24:31

Okay. So I feel like

24:34

Milton's life was cut really short.

24:37

He was only fifty five when he

24:39

died.

24:40

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24:41

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24:43

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off. Shortly after

28:00

the funeral, police

28:02

noticed that Isaac skipped

28:05

town to go to Oregon supposedly

28:07

visit his mama.

28:09

This

28:10

also was a red flag

28:13

by investigators because

28:15

they were, like, we're in the middle of, like, a

28:17

murder investigation. However, I'm, like,

28:19

dude, if the guy didn't do it, like, who cares?

28:21

Like, he's living his life. Right? Right.

28:23

was a red flag. And

28:26

I guess

28:27

it was because just

28:30

days later, the invest

28:32

igators get a call from Oregon.

28:35

A friend of Isaac's

28:37

and actually his mentor

28:40

said that Isaac flew to Oregon

28:43

to confess that he just

28:45

killed his mistress's husband.

28:47

This guy said he

28:50

knew Isaac. When

28:52

Isaac was young, he was his

28:54

youth pastor and Isaac kinda

28:56

came from I don't

28:58

know, like, not the straight and

29:00

narrow family, and so he was

29:02

going down the wrong path. So this

29:04

guy took him under his wing, showed him

29:06

the way of the Lord and directed

29:08

Isaac to who he was today,

29:10

which was the

29:12

successful business guy running a

29:14

physical therapy he couldn't believe what he

29:16

was hearing from Isaac. This

29:18

family man who went to church, like Isaac

29:20

went to church every single Sunday.

29:23

So

29:23

what? So what?

29:24

No. Well, I'm just saying,

29:26

like, you wouldn't think, you know, if

29:28

you're following the commandments, you're not

29:30

gonna kill somebody. Jerry Fowel

29:33

Junior. Which

29:34

is which is on our Patreon episodes.

29:37

Somebody just sent that to us. Yeah.

29:39

We did. somebody just sent that to us.

29:41

And I was like, I I'm sorry, I don't know your

29:43

name right now, whoever messaged us

29:45

that, but I did text tab. yeah,

29:47

I already did this, but I

29:48

really like this person because they get me

29:50

because those, like, pastor what

29:54

pastor I've reached pastor. Those

29:56

people, they they go

29:58

wrong, those are my

29:59

favorites. They are your favorites

30:02

today. Love, a church, hypothescy.

30:04

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Alright. So back to

30:23

Isaac who is also a

30:25

church going family man did

30:26

a real bad

30:29

thing. and he couldn't keep

30:31

a secret. So and,

30:33

you know, this guy, he

30:36

couldn't keep a secret either. went to the

30:38

police immediately to out his friend,

30:40

and then the police immediately go

30:42

to Oregon to get this guy

30:45

miched up. to have Isaac confess

30:47

over the phone. Okay.

30:50

I

30:50

like it. I do like it. And

30:52

the guy I like all of it. I like

30:55

turning them in. I like that

30:57

they're flying across

30:58

the country. I like I knew you would like that

31:00

the guy was turning them in. I think

31:02

the guy felt a lot guilt for turning him in

31:05

and even

31:05

more guilt for miking up.

31:07

But at the end of the day, he knew that was, like,

31:09

the right thing to do. Yeah. So

31:11

I'm gonna do that. You're gonna do that.

31:13

Full disclosure. Yeah. If

31:15

anybody confesses

31:15

to murder, to me. I'm not

31:17

gonna be an accessory. Nope.

31:19

I don't know if you would be telling me

31:21

if if I told you, you would sell

31:24

anybody.

31:24

Maybe

31:26

you would, but I think you're a better friend

31:29

than that. I don't think you would

31:31

count. I would

31:32

number.

31:33

I would actually turn myself in.

31:37

My next case I'm doing, this poor woman

31:39

just like spilled her guts in

31:41

the police station. And

31:43

the whole time, I'm like,

31:46

Just

31:46

ask for an attorney. Stop talking.

31:48

Oh my god. It's the

31:51

worst.

31:51

Stop talking. So

31:53

after he's hearing from Isaac on the

31:55

phone call with his friend and

31:58

from the friend himself,

31:59

the investigators

32:02

thought, you know

32:02

what? Isaac was

32:05

not acting alone. Isaac

32:08

actually was doing this

32:10

for angel. So week after week, she would go

32:12

and, like, be like, hey, you know,

32:14

my husband, he's just his

32:16

asshole, blah blah

32:17

blah. Right? And then

32:19

one one week, she decides

32:22

June wants to, like, take it down to Chinatown

32:25

with Isaac So when she's

32:27

supposed to

32:27

remove her top and then come back and

32:29

be

32:29

under the sheet, she

32:31

removes it all and doesn't get

32:33

under the sheet. And

32:36

at that point, Isaac said he couldn't

32:39

resist. He started

32:40

the sex campaign.

32:42

with her. Yeah.

32:44

And then the sex debate turned into

32:47

like an actual love affair.

32:49

And When he kept hearing that

32:51

Angel couldn't leave her husband because he

32:53

was so psychologically abusive

32:55

to her and she feared for her

32:58

life, Isaac knew the only way

33:00

to save Angel was to kill

33:02

Milton. Yeah.

33:04

You kinda hear about that.

33:06

Right? Like, these this

33:08

I don't know what it is. It's it's like

33:11

sociopath women or whatever, but

33:13

they do seem to find a way to

33:15

play on that danceled and

33:16

distress. I I've you

33:19

the kind of guy that's like, I've gotta be

33:21

the hero. I've gotta save you,

33:23

and then they get them to

33:25

be. killing for

33:27

them.

33:27

Yes. So this was a master plan. It

33:29

was not a what robbery gone wrong, and

33:31

it wasn't pawn shop guy selling

33:34

the drugs.

33:36

So the

33:36

investigators thought that pistol whipping sounded

33:39

suspicious because who

33:41

gets pistol

33:42

whipped? I think

33:45

beyond a lot of people get pistol left,

33:47

actually. I

33:48

don't think so.

33:50

That sucks. So low, but it wouldn't even be an

33:52

outside they do in the moon. It wouldn't even be a term if it

33:54

didn't actually happen. What

33:56

do you think?

33:59

Well, if you're in there

33:59

to be killing someone,

34:00

you're not like whipping them around.

34:03

And if you already killed one, why wouldn't it just

34:05

kill both? Yeah.

34:08

Yeah. The

34:09

investigator the investigators fly

34:11

back to North Carolina and

34:13

they arrest both Isaac

34:16

and Angel. They're on to Angel, but she isn't

34:18

having any of it. She

34:20

said, I do

34:22

not know. why Isaac

34:24

came to my house that

34:26

night. She says Isaac was obsessed with

34:28

her. And in fact,

34:30

she says, I only had sex with them

34:32

twice. Maybe three times

34:34

she said by the end of the interview.

34:36

She

34:37

said eventually she

34:39

did figure out that it was

34:41

Isaac in the mask.

34:43

Robbing

34:43

the house, but she had

34:46

absolutely nothing to do with Isaac's psycho

34:48

behavior. At the time,

34:50

Isaac was trying to

34:52

protect Angel and not saying

34:54

much at all. So while

34:56

the two were in jail, the

34:58

investigators let them talk to each other.

35:00

You know, that's like one way to try

35:02

to get them to say something. She would tell him to look up

35:04

scriptures from the bible, which

35:08

looked at it. It

35:10

was basically taking the blame for

35:13

love love. So

35:15

she wanted Isaac to take the

35:17

fall for

35:18

her. And

35:20

I think he was going for it and

35:22

tell the best to Gators played

35:24

her interrogation videos back

35:26

to Isaac. And he got

35:28

to hear her speak about how he

35:30

was success with her and she didn't

35:33

care about him and how it

35:35

was all Isaac and she loved

35:37

her husband so much. I mean, they're

35:39

doing it twice a day. and

35:42

how her husband was a good man, etcetera,

35:46

etcetera. And that is when

35:48

Isaac came to his senses and told

35:50

them everything.

35:51

He also decided

35:54

that he would plead guilty

35:58

and tell the story to the

35:59

prosecution at her trial.

36:02

Smart Isaac. It is

36:04

very smart because Isaac got

36:07

a lesser sentence of twenty to

36:09

twenty five years and only a second

36:11

degree

36:11

murder

36:12

charge. And here is what

36:14

he had to say at the

36:17

trial. So angel, like

36:19

I said, told him

36:21

all these lies about how offflow Milton was and how

36:23

she wanted out of the

36:26

marriage. But what he

36:27

what she

36:29

told him was that he

36:31

would kill both of them if she ever

36:33

left Milton. So they

36:36

devised a plan at drugging Milton's

36:38

beer at night to take

36:40

him out on an

36:42

overdose of prescription drugs, like an

36:44

accidental death.

36:46

Angel did a run of

36:48

it. but

36:49

it didn't work. Milton ended

36:51

up sleeping a whole day and had

36:53

no idea why he why he

36:55

felt so weird. Milton, by the way, is a really big man.

36:57

So I'm sure it would take a lot of

37:00

prescription drugs probably

37:00

enough to know that

37:01

your beer tastes fucking real weird.

37:04

Yeah. So

37:06

then the armed robbery came up. Make it look like one

37:08

of his shady clients wanted to rob him.

37:10

The two kids were out of the house,

37:13

so it worked. Isaac would enter the house, kill Milton,

37:15

which he did. He then took off his mask

37:18

and Angel told him to hit

37:20

her, so

37:22

She looked messed up. He said he couldn't hit her hard enough,

37:24

so she pounded her own head

37:26

on the counter drawer

37:28

drawer and

37:29

drew blood. That's psycho.

37:32

That's

37:32

some scherry petite. I know.

37:34

It's you know, she

37:35

didn't end up being herself up against the baddest.

37:38

Yes. It's like the same thing. It's

37:40

so psycho. Oh, she did

37:42

the same thing, by the way. I

37:44

knew this ring about it. Sherry Pappini,

37:46

you know, she told that x boyfriend

37:48

that she was living with in Costa Mesa while she was, you

37:51

know, pretending to be kidnapped, that her

37:53

husband was abusive. Alright.

37:56

Yeah. Yeah. She was playing the

37:58

dance on his dress too. Yes. So

38:00

then they ransacked the house to make it

38:02

look like a robbery, and he slipped out

38:04

throwing everything away

38:07

along the way meticulously making sure

38:09

there were no marks

38:11

left behind. Angel

38:13

angel have

38:14

a great defense. They

38:16

claimed that he was lying to get a

38:19

lesser sentence, but you know, he

38:21

wasn't lying, and the jury didn't buy it. So they sentenced

38:24

Angel Sawyer to life in

38:26

prison. And by

38:28

the way,

38:29

prison does not look good on

38:32

Angel. She

38:32

fancied herself a sex

38:35

pot, but after just a little

38:37

time in the clink, her sex pill

38:39

definitely diminished because she had the blonde

38:41

hair. You

38:42

know, I gotta keep up those highlights. If you

38:44

gotta keep up with the mind. Yeah. Oh

38:46

my god. Mine is so bad right

38:48

now. I go next Friday.

38:50

Everybody

38:50

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38:52

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38:55

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39:06

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39:08

for Isaac, he is behind bars until

39:10

twenty thirty eight. And by

39:12

the way, he's only forty two years old.

39:15

so he was thirty eight when he commended this

39:18

crime. Milton's

39:20

family is not stoked that

39:23

he will eventually be released,

39:25

but they also understand that that was

39:27

the way to get Angel behind

39:29

bars. So rest

39:32

easy, Milton? My bet

39:32

there's Listen. I'm not giving Isaac a pass because,

39:35

I mean, be rational.

39:36

Find another way. That's like

39:38

some egotistical shit. Like, I've gotta be

39:41

the hero this guy. And then to

39:43

actually kill him, I mean, kill

39:46

him via the way he did, not

39:48

just overdose him with

39:50

the beer. I

39:51

mean, that's but extra. Dude, and by the

39:53

way, it's like, you had your own

39:55

family, Isaac, kid,

39:58

and all. terrible

39:59

selfish awful. But

40:02

I would I could have told you

40:04

that Angel would do more time than him

40:06

because we love to see

40:08

c

40:10

a

40:10

the horned scorned manipulative

40:12

lady go down. Do

40:15

we?

40:15

We just do. They

40:16

I mean, there's a

40:17

show called Snap I

40:19

mean, we're

40:20

fascinated with, you know I

40:22

think we are fascinated with lady killers. I'm

40:24

fascinated with lady killers because I think

40:27

it takes a lot to like

40:29

calculus. follow through.

40:32

Mhmm. It's crazy ass

40:33

shit to me. Mhmm.

40:34

And

40:35

that's why we do this

40:37

podcast, I think. For Milton,

40:40

like, what the hell? Just

40:42

to force his ass, they

40:44

said the investigators say that they think

40:46

she just did not want another

40:48

divorce on her record because it wasn't

40:50

like he even had life insurance that

40:53

she was collecting. You

40:56

know,

40:56

she's the type that what

40:58

I get is she's the type that

41:00

needs the constant, the

41:03

drama, all the time. And Milton probably

41:05

wasn't given it to her.

41:07

He probably put

41:08

his dishes in the fucking dishwasher and

41:11

everything. I mean, he's given her

41:13

nothing to work with. You're probably right.

41:14

And she's like and

41:15

so she's like, I gotta go

41:18

mix it up with this other

41:20

guy, create some drama. You know, some

41:22

people. You

41:22

think that's what

41:25

it is. Yeah.

41:26

Oh,

41:28

goodness. Alrighty.

41:29

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41:30

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41:32

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