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1:02

Hi,

1:02

and welcome to Housewives of

1:04

Drew crime. Welcome. Welcome.

1:08

I am Tabitha. Give me date

1:10

line, white wine, and I'll pick

1:12

up your kids in the carpool line. Sure.

1:14

The next day. Right? Yeah. The next day. Okay. and

1:17

I am Gretchen. I like

1:19

white wine through crime and

1:21

in bed by night because I have a lot of stuff to in

1:24

the morning. We

1:27

are. Housewives of

1:29

True Crime. Yes, we?

1:31

Yes, we are. Welcome.

1:45

Welcome.

1:47

We are

1:48

live

1:50

or or, you know, Same

1:53

as always. Same as always.

1:55

But dressed up, you guys. Happy Halloween.

1:59

Happy Halloween.

1:59

We are trying

2:02

to get it together over here because

2:04

we are the

2:07

housewives, but we're not telling you which

2:09

housewives we are. But that's

2:11

what we dressed up as Housewives

2:13

said, and you will see it on

2:16

Patreon. We're gonna put

2:18

the video up there. and we

2:20

might give you some sneak out of subscription.

2:22

Right? They can't see it, unfortunately. Oh,

2:25

no. because they don't do video. on

2:27

Apple. So I'm so sorry, but we're gonna

2:29

give some sneak peeks on YouTube

2:32

as well. So please go follow us there.

2:34

It's HWTC

2:37

on YouTube, and you guys will see

2:39

who we are dressed up as. And

2:42

you're gonna love it because we do not

2:44

look like ourselves at all. No.

2:46

I I have to say, I'm not a good

2:48

one. Are

2:49

you a very good

2:51

one?

2:53

moment that

2:55

Just I will say,

2:57

I'm not I'm not cutting

2:59

my hair, dying my hair, or getting

3:01

banks. that'll

3:02

give it away a little bit. A little bit.

3:04

I like sandwiches, and I got married

3:06

this year. You'd see it. That

3:10

You're not my favorite person. I

3:12

just want Oh, I'm a part totally. I'm

3:15

a total bitch. And I used to love you.

3:17

But I haven't told a bitch for me this

3:19

year, but I own it. No.

3:21

I own it. Yeah. I own it.

3:25

And I hope your prison sentence went

3:27

well sweetheart. I got actually

3:30

a fucking rocked. I got an

3:32

amazing shape. with all that

3:34

yoga that I did. Okay? Mhmm.

3:36

Rocked the baud.

3:38

Also, I wrote a book. It was

3:40

a New York Times bestseller.

3:42

Okay?

3:42

Aren't they all?

3:44

I know. Right?

3:49

I think you get, like, all your friends to

3:51

buy them at, like, at one day,

3:53

and then you can say, like, that day or

3:55

New York Times bestseller. I'm just

3:58

like, who even buys books?

3:59

Like, who's go you know, I just got

4:02

invited to a book club, by the way, and I was like,

4:04

I don't have time for that shit. She was like, I'll get

4:06

you the cliff notes. I was like, I hope they're audio.

4:09

Yeah. Yeah. Although, I did

4:11

just read the Kelly Ripka book.

4:12

And by read, I mean.

4:13

listened. LISTened. Right. I

4:15

didn't I started it. Yeah. It

4:17

was good. It was

4:19

good.

4:20

Hey. So listen. In

4:22

the spirit of Halloween, I went to the

4:24

Dallas Arboretum, which they have

4:26

this big pumpkin festival. Okay?

4:29

And if

4:31

you live in an area with squirrels,

4:34

you

4:34

will know that they jump from tree

4:36

to tree. They're like little monkeys. And

4:39

they

4:39

never fall.

4:40

Right? I never see a squirrel fall. Mhmm.

4:43

Well, we were walking and,

4:46

I mean, not even Three

4:48

inches from our face, a

4:50

freaking squirrel, fell out of

4:52

the tree. Almost hit my mother-in-law,

4:54

landed on its back, I thought

4:56

it was freaking dead, stunned

4:58

it for a couple minutes, and then

5:00

it caught up and ran away. Fotted

5:02

away. Yes. My daughter was,

5:04

like, in I mean,

5:06

she can't take any more trauma. No.

5:08

She can't after Super Blum,

5:10

no. And then man,

5:13

let me tell you, they

5:16

don't die. I mean,

5:18

they must have facts of steel. Brazil.

5:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.

5:22

Well, my husband's got

5:23

me all freaked out. You

5:25

know he's Why? Marine industry.

5:27

He was at a meeting at like a

5:29

port. Okay? And they

5:31

are predicting a

5:34

huge tequila shortage next

5:36

year. Oh,

5:38

So

5:38

he's You better start stalking us,

5:40

but you think that's that's so bad. It's better.

5:42

He's like, you think it's bad now

5:44

because it is. That's what you said. You couldn't

5:46

get the stuff that you wanted. Sometimes I

5:48

have to go to all different stores. Okay.

5:50

So he told me now you like

5:53

you buy a bottle, you

5:53

store a bottle.

5:55

Oh. Every time it's, like, good to

5:57

know. Something with the agave

5:59

or something. Oh my gosh.

6:01

I mean, if it's not one kind of

6:03

shortage, it's another. I used to live

6:05

in my neighborhood because I'm gonna need be

6:07

needing all that tequila for myself, but

6:09

anywhere other than Orange County,

6:12

you people need to stock up?

6:14

Well, I'm gonna tell you I heard

6:16

today that California is

6:19

predicted to have a seven point

6:21

o earthquake ninety eight percent

6:23

shore today. Today?

6:26

Yeah. And this is fascinating. It's gonna

6:28

fall my head for sure. It's barely hanging on

6:30

right now.

6:31

I think it's fake

6:32

news. But supposedly,

6:35

it's not. I'm like, Wouldn't

6:37

wouldn't everybody be running like seven

6:39

point o, dude? That's my bad. You know what

6:41

I think is, you know, they have you

6:43

send your kids those

6:44

earthquake kits. Well, maybe they do this in

6:47

other states, but you gotta buy like a

6:49

mylar blanket and a deck

6:51

a car, is it a packet, I don't know, a

6:53

bunch of shit. Right? Well, I fell for that

6:55

crap, like, the first three years. And

6:57

then I was like, I'm just kids represent.

7:00

Calm off with somebody else. Right?

7:02

I do a lot. Yeah. I'm the freaking

7:04

room mom.

7:06

So I

7:07

would just piss me off if there was an earthquake

7:09

or something

7:09

because I didn't send my kids with those damn bags

7:12

of supplies.

7:13

Yeah. I think it's fine. Come on.

7:15

They have extra for sure.

7:18

Okay. Well, should we get started

7:21

into our Halloween episode? Oh,

7:24

Let's do

7:25

it.

7:29

Alright. Since it is Halloween

7:32

and we are all dressed up, Greta I

7:35

thought I have a thing to say about

7:37

that though. What? Well,

7:39

you know, every time you'll be watching

7:41

the real housewives' shows, they're

7:43

always in the makeup chair for like

7:45

freaking hours. So

7:46

I was like, how am I gonna do, you know,

7:49

the housewife pile on just

7:51

a ton. Took me

7:53

about five minutes. I know I'm being

7:55

too by the way. I think they're getting ripped

7:57

off. Okay. So listen

7:59

to this.

7:59

Hi. looks really

8:02

good. I

8:03

think it looks really good too. And

8:05

I watched a tutorial on

8:07

I'm not gonna tell you who it is, but I

8:09

watched it tutorial of this lady's

8:12

makeup artist do it

8:14

himself as her. And

8:15

so I was like, okay, I got this.

8:18

Right? I took, like, five minutes. I

8:20

mean, I put a shit ton of bronzer

8:22

on and contour it a little

8:24

bit and here I am. Here

8:26

we are. Perfect. Okay.

8:29

So in the spirit of Halloween

8:31

-- Mhmm. -- I'm doing a

8:33

Halloween case. This

8:35

episode also happens to

8:38

have happened in

8:40

Wine Country and you

8:42

know me, I like a

8:44

great cab on Halloween

8:46

night or

8:47

or Any

8:48

night for that matter? Any night. Yeah. Any

8:50

night. This case comes

8:52

straight out of Napa Valley,

8:54

California, and it was also brought

8:56

to our attention by listener and

8:58

Patreon subscriber, Tamra

9:00

Morris. So For second

9:02

Napa crime. I

9:04

know.

9:06

Second Napa murder, actually.

9:09

Oh my god. Maybe I should

9:11

repost that picture of you asleep.

9:14

In Napa. Yeah.

9:16

Yes. Maybe you should.

9:19

You heard of yours? Is that okay? Oh,

9:22

it's really awful, actually. But

9:25

clink, clink, tamper, for giving this case

9:27

to us and it just happened to

9:30

also be on Halloween, so it just worked out.

9:32

Napa Valley, California is absolutely

9:34

stunning if you guys have not

9:36

been to Napa

9:38

now is the time. The

9:40

only problem with Napa is that it

9:42

is about an hour maybe a

9:44

little bit more depending on traffic

9:46

away from San Francisco or

9:48

Sacramento. And those are

9:49

the only two airports you really can

9:51

fly into easily. It's

9:54

not right, Greta. Yeah. I mean, the other problem

9:56

with Napa is, I mean, you really

9:58

made like a car, like

9:59

a driver. all

10:01

day. Right. because everything -- Yeah. -- it's not

10:03

like you can just hop from one

10:06

winery to the next. There's no, like, trolley.

10:08

It's like, you gotta make reservations.

10:11

You gotta have a plan. Like, it's kind of a lot

10:13

of work. It is, but

10:15

it's now way less work with Uber just

10:17

to let

10:17

you know. because you can

10:18

Uber from winery to winery. So

10:21

that has made it much

10:22

better. Some of the

10:25

best wines in the world

10:27

or from Napa. And

10:30

if you want to go on a couples trip,

10:32

I suggest it, and also a

10:34

girls trip like Gretchen and I since

10:36

she wants post this picture.

10:38

It's kind of a a

10:40

not a night life, so you're not going on a

10:42

girl's gone wild trip. You're going on more

10:45

like being

10:46

bed by nine trip.

10:48

Right? Hence or four o'clock in the

10:50

afternoon. Right?

10:51

Like me. Also,

10:54

it's very expensive to live in

10:56

Napa. The home prices are in the

10:58

millions. And so I think

11:00

only, like, rich people retire

11:02

there, supposedly,

11:04

you get rich, you retire

11:07

there, and you start a winery. And then

11:09

you act like you know what you're doing.

11:11

Yes.

11:11

Yes. Yeah. And then there's a bunch

11:13

of people that really do know what they're doing,

11:16

and they fancied themselves

11:18

like wine consultants Those are the

11:20

people that are really making the money.

11:22

Yeah.

11:22

That's true. Yeah. But I

11:24

did think if we do get rich, Gretchen,

11:26

how swipe the TrueCrème wine does

11:29

hovering to it? Well, you

11:31

know, I do have a wine connection. Right?

11:33

Well, good. have connection too. Oh, well,

11:35

your sister makes wine. You have a cider cider cider cider cider cider cider cider cider

11:37

cider wine. If you don't feel like going

11:39

to Napa, go to

11:41

Placerville, it's a adorable

11:43

town and the

11:46

winery Shadow Ranch is

11:48

gorgeous and the wine is delicious. That's not

11:50

the thing I ever tasted. I

11:52

just I not

11:54

to knock Placerville by any means, but I

11:56

just think if you live in California, maybe that's

11:58

where you go. But if you do not live in California,

12:01

It's probably not like the destination

12:04

to like get a hotel and

12:06

all that, do you think? Well,

12:08

no. Maybe you go to Placerville for the day and you

12:10

stay in Tahoe. It's really close to Tahoe. Yeah.

12:12

Yeah. I agree. Okay. So back in

12:14

two thousand four, there were a group of

12:16

friends that reminded me of

12:18

us actually back in two thousand

12:20

four. There was

12:22

Adrienne and Saga, Leslie Mazara,

12:25

and Lauren Meeanza all in their

12:27

twenties, looking for some

12:29

love, having a lot of fun,

12:31

holding down real jobs, Does

12:33

not sound like us, like, in two thousand four?

12:35

Yeah.

12:36

Yeah. So Adrian was from

12:39

Napa, or the Napa

12:41

area, Calistoga, to be exact.

12:43

She had graduated from cal polysynthetic,

12:45

in two thousand one.

12:48

which by the way, we were there at the same

12:50

time.

12:50

Nice. And this has

12:53

never been reported, but If

12:55

my timeline is correct, Adrian and

12:57

Kristen Smart were freshman

12:59

together at cal poly. Interesting.

13:02

Yeah, I know. There was there's

13:04

been no reports of that. I don't think anybody

13:06

has put those two things together,

13:08

but you heard it heard it here

13:10

first. What about Lacey Peterson? She

13:12

there was some time in Christmas there?

13:15

She was

13:17

she was waiting tables. Remember, at the same

13:19

time, I don't know if she asked actually still

13:21

was going to college there or not,

13:23

but there was a connection

13:25

there, which is kind of scary because -- Okay. --

13:27

San Luis Obispo was, like, really

13:29

small. Yeah. So

13:30

all these murders are happening around,

13:32

like, not in there. You know, it

13:35

just, like, I don't know. Weird.

13:37

Yeah. Okay. So Adrian was a civil

13:39

engineer major, and

13:41

that's probably why our

13:44

paths did not cross because I was a

13:46

partying major. Yeah.

13:47

Too smart freemium to

13:48

be your friend. Yeah. Then

13:52

there was Lauren. She was all so

13:55

from the Napa Valley area.

13:57

She was a volleyball coach

13:59

at

13:59

the local college. That sounds more like

14:02

your type. Totally. a

14:04

nothing

14:05

And then there was Leslie, their

14:07

newer roommate who was a transplant

14:09

from South Carolina who

14:11

worked as a greeter at one of

14:13

my favorite wineries, Coppola,

14:16

which by the way has a great cab for

14:18

fifteen dollars And

14:20

if you didn't know, the winery was

14:23

or is owned by Francis Ford

14:25

Coppola and that's the

14:27

director of the Godfather. Which

14:29

Gretchen for sure knows? Well, yeah,

14:30

Avi, you know where shit

14:32

is going down, that

14:34

Miraval winery. Rad

14:36

party, Angelina Jolie. Mhmm.

14:39

I heard. Mhmm. They

14:41

have got evil. They are.

14:43

Lauren and Andrea had moved

14:45

into a super cute house on a

14:47

quiet street together after meeting through

14:50

volleyball. These two girls were

14:52

both athletic, active,

14:54

Adrian love doing sports even

14:56

into her twenty is playing an

14:58

intramural sports. She

15:00

is in my opinion the definition of

15:02

a disco biscuit. Girls have

15:05

some brains competitive in sports. She

15:07

does charity work. And

15:09

she survived a gnarly

15:11

car crash in high school that left her

15:13

with brain damage and

15:15

big hurdles mentally and physically

15:17

to come to get over.

15:20

Her friends say she often struggled

15:22

as a teen because this car wreck left

15:24

her face pretty binged

15:27

up. But she was now in

15:29

her twenties, a civil engineer for

15:31

Napa Valley sanitation district

15:33

where she was killing it. She

15:35

also worked there with her best

15:38

friend Lily Prude home, which an

15:40

added bonus, I think, working at a

15:42

sanitation plant when you

15:44

have all these wineries around you.

15:46

Okay. So she went to the fancy school

15:48

so she could work at the sewer.

15:52

I know that. I'm just

15:55

staying upfront. So

15:57

she was an assistant engineer

15:59

here

15:59

at the sanitation plant,

16:02

and it I guess was

16:04

water

16:05

cleaning place. But,

16:07

yes, I know. I I thought the

16:09

same exact thing. So,

16:11

I mean, if you work with your best friend, that

16:13

sounds better. Right? Oh, no. It's

16:15

cool. And I watch dirty jobs.

16:17

Somebody's gotta fucking do it. I mean, that's

16:19

awesome. I

16:21

don't exactly know what she did,

16:23

but I'm sure she wasn't, like,

16:26

sitting out

16:27

of the water. Okay. Yeah.

16:29

k. Whatever.

16:30

Lauren and Andrea met third

16:33

roommate, beautiful new girl in town,

16:35

Leslie Mazara, and thought she would be

16:37

a great fit for the duo to

16:39

become a trio. So

16:41

Leslie moved right in. Leslie

16:43

was originally from Florida but

16:45

moved to South Carolina shortly after

16:47

she was born and went to

16:49

college in Georgia. So I would

16:51

say she's the epitome of a

16:53

southern bell. Beautiful

16:56

smile, light up the room

16:58

type of girl she won.

17:00

Beauty pageants, she even competed

17:02

for Miss

17:03

South Carolina. Her

17:05

friends say people

17:07

just wanted to know her. If you

17:09

met her for the first time you either wanted

17:11

to date her, or you at

17:13

least wanted to be friends with her. She

17:16

made everyone feel welcome and

17:18

you can see why these two

17:20

would want to be her housemate.

17:24

So that's how

17:24

you got the three girls living in one

17:26

house together. And

17:28

again, Gretji just totally reminds

17:31

me of like, us back

17:33

in the day? Well, yeah, except for

17:35

I mean, turns out, I don't need to

17:37

go to college because

17:40

you can be a fancy civil

17:42

engineer and still require two

17:44

roommates.

17:46

That's So I'm

17:48

very not down for that.

17:51

No. Roomies are

17:53

not my favorite.

17:57

You you

17:57

know what? You're right because you had some

17:59

bad ones,

17:59

but and I had to do some good

18:02

ones, but I've had some bad

18:04

ones. Yeah.

18:05

I think

18:06

everybody does. But these three, they

18:08

got along just fine. It

18:10

was Halloween night, two thousand four,

18:13

when the three decided to assout

18:15

candy to all the little kids in

18:17

the neighborhood. You know how cute

18:19

those little kids are and these

18:21

girls are, you know, free. they

18:23

don't have to go take their little kids out

18:25

for candy trick or treating. So they

18:27

decided they're gonna, you know, pass out

18:29

to candy, get a kick out of it, see all

18:31

these little cuties come by. After passing out

18:33

Kandi, Adrian headed to her boyfriend's

18:35

house for a bit. His name

18:37

was Christian Lee. She

18:39

didn't stay long at Christians and was

18:41

home by ten ten thirty that

18:43

night. Christian and Adrian

18:45

had been dating for a while, but it didn't

18:47

seem super serious. And actually,

18:49

the two often thought because

18:51

Adrienne wanted more of a commitment and

18:54

Christian didn't. However -- Right. -- to

18:56

say she's not even spending the night on

18:58

a holiday, Well, it was semi

19:00

nice, so they had to work in the

19:02

morning.

19:02

Still. Still.

19:04

Bring your clothes kind of

19:06

thing. Yeah. And you know Adrian,

19:08

although he didn't want such a

19:10

commitment, he did get a little, like,

19:13

angry when she wanted

19:15

to go see other people. So, you know, guys, you

19:17

know, they want their cake and ate it too. Right? Yeah.

19:19

I mean totally Go talk to doctor

19:21

Laura about that. Yeah. All three girls

19:24

called in a

19:26

early night and went to bed about

19:28

eleven thirty. Adrian

19:30

and Leslie's rooms were upstairs and

19:32

Lawrence was downstairs. Sometime

19:36

after one AM, Lauren

19:38

heard what she thought was glass

19:40

break but was too groggy to come to

19:42

her senses. From there, she

19:44

heard what sounded like wrestling

19:46

around upstairs but thought maybe one

19:48

of the girls had a late night rendezvous.

19:51

Until she heard

19:53

her roommates, blood

19:54

curdling scream.

19:56

This is

19:57

when she knew something really

20:00

wasn't right. told

20:01

America's most wanted that she stood

20:03

up, kind of froze for a second,

20:05

heard what sounded like a man's

20:08

footsteps running down the

20:10

stairs. she ran out the back door,

20:13

which she then says

20:15

felt like the wrong move because

20:17

it now trapped her in a

20:20

fenced backyard. there, she just stood

20:22

in fear until she heard the

20:24

intruder leave out the

20:26

downstairs window, the same

20:27

window that he came in from.

20:29

Lauren was freaked, as you

20:31

can imagine, and finally

20:34

went upstairs to ten to her friends.

20:36

call for help and find out what the

20:38

hell just happened. This

20:41

is when she finds Leslie first,

20:44

lying face down in a pool of blood and

20:46

absolutely not alive.

20:48

Then she

20:49

hears Adrian calling for help

20:52

and

20:52

Adrian is clinging to life.

20:55

She has

20:55

been stabbed multiple times and

20:57

looks to have pretty hefty

20:59

self defense wounds. Lauren

21:03

then runs to the phone to call nine eleven,

21:05

but the phone line has been

21:07

cut, and it's dead. so she

21:09

runs back to her room, slipping

21:11

on some blood, grabs her

21:13

cell phone, and gets in her

21:16

car. She calls 911 from there. What did

21:18

I look like and

21:18

see what do you look like? Oh my god. She got

21:20

a tax. This is a felony and

21:23

ambulance. I

21:25

am not

21:29

sure

21:30

why she

21:32

didn't just stay there, but she may have

21:34

feared that this guy was still around

21:36

or waiting. This has been discussed a

21:38

lot. Some people say she should have

21:41

like, tended to her friends more or

21:43

maybe not gone in

21:45

her gotten in

21:47

her car. but Adrian's mom

21:49

is very sympathetic to Lauren. The

21:51

first

21:51

kill, but then

21:53

Adrian had to struggle with the

21:56

guy. You can

21:57

imagine

21:58

the town was on

21:59

alert. I mean, how on Earth could

22:02

this have happened to these girls

22:05

who would want them dead. At

22:08

the

22:08

crime scene, they found zip

22:10

ties outside the

22:12

window. a little bit of blood on

22:14

the blinds or curtains from the window where

22:16

he escaped from, and

22:18

they also found three cigarette

22:21

butts outside the house smoked all the

22:23

way down to the filter. It

22:25

seems like someone had

22:27

been a little anxious in my opinion

22:29

before heading into the house. Police

22:31

didn't know at first if these cigarette butts

22:33

could be associated with the murder,

22:35

but they were hopeful. Yeah. they

22:38

also did not release the

22:40

cigarette information to the

22:42

public. Detectives thought for sure the

22:44

murder was after Leslie as

22:46

she was the first one killed. Leslie

22:48

also being the more outgoing

22:50

one. New in town had

22:52

a more social job with

22:54

lots of admirers. you know, it could

22:56

have been anyone from the winery, one of her

22:58

few guys that she was seeing in Napa at the

23:01

time, or it

23:02

could be her old boyfriend

23:05

she left behind in Georgia.

23:07

She actually moved to Napa

23:09

right after breaking up with him

23:12

and he

23:12

was so infatuated with

23:14

her Gretchen. He built a website

23:17

dedicated to her and how much he

23:19

missed her. Oh,

23:20

Lord.

23:21

By the way,

23:24

this guy in his pictures

23:27

is super cute. Seems like

23:29

or at least he was in two thousand four. Like, pretty sure

23:31

he could have caught another girlfriend, dude. Habitat,

23:33

have you learned? We could

23:35

not be giving

23:36

attractive people passes

23:38

anymore. Too many

23:39

attractive people are getting away

23:41

with shit. I know. It's true.

23:43

You tried it,

23:44

you will. Yes. I

23:46

know. You're

23:47

like, I can add them tickets all

23:49

the time. Oh. But Lori

23:51

Oh, no. I got paid

23:52

over. Come on.

23:54

I got

23:55

pulled over. I got pulled over.

23:57

I went to a haunted house with

23:59

Kyla. It

23:59

was super scary. I am not into them

24:02

by the way, but she wanted to go.

24:04

And so I took her to the front of the house, and I

24:06

freaking got pulled over on the

24:08

freeway. And I you don't

24:10

have her license played up yet?

24:12

It was the reason that damn cop told

24:14

me I was gonna get pulled over for

24:16

this license plate, this temporary license

24:18

plate on the wrong part of my car.

24:21

but I did get off. He was very

24:23

nice. I was like, listen, it's right. Right.

24:25

Right. Way, though. I mean, that's extra. I

24:27

mean, I could see if you keep it by you rollin'

24:29

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24:32

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24:32

feel like it's dangerous. I

24:34

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24:35

me too. but

24:37

he it was fast. He was like, oh,

24:39

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24:41

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24:43

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So the attractive guy, he

27:48

bakes this website. Like I said, I

27:50

thought he could get another girlfriend real quick.

27:52

And actually, this dude's dad

27:54

was kind of obsessed with her too,

27:57

when

27:57

looking at Leslie's phone records, they saw

27:59

that the dad called her two

28:01

times on Halloween. So police are

28:04

super quick to think this father and son

28:06

duo could have something to do with it,

28:08

but they checked

28:10

out They both were across the country

28:12

and although infatuated with her,

28:14

they were not her killer. Side

28:16

note, I don't know if the dad was actually

28:18

infatuated with her. He called her a lot to make

28:20

sure that she would stay with the sun. No.

28:23

That's weird. And that gives me

28:25

that like Susan Powell

28:27

by -- Right. -- h dot --

28:29

Totally. -- to that podcast and you

28:31

feel like torturing yourself. It's

28:33

called cold The meanest thing

28:35

ever ever done to me was forced

28:37

to listen to that. I

28:39

know. I'm sorry. I was,

28:41

like, waiting, spoiler doesn't

28:43

get solved. I know.

28:45

Mhmm. So after

28:46

these two check out, they were on

28:48

to Adrian's boyfriend Christian Lee. He

28:51

seemed a likely suspect I'm

28:53

he was one of, if not, the last person

28:55

to see Adrienne alive that

28:57

night. Christian was adamant that it wasn't him.

28:59

He gave his DNA sample to

29:02

prove it and after the DNA came

29:04

back from the crime lab, from the

29:06

blood on the shades, they were

29:07

able to confirm that Christian was

29:10

not the guide. The

29:12

tech the detectives were not

29:14

about to give up. They interviewed everyone

29:16

starting from the girl's closest friends

29:18

to figure out what could

29:21

have happened. Lauren,

29:22

of course, gave as much info

29:24

as she could from everyone they had seen

29:26

in the last months to people Leslie talked

29:28

to at the winery even

29:30

the guys that she had dated. There was another girl

29:33

Lily Prudeholm, the one I talked to

29:35

before Adrian's best friend

29:37

that worked

29:38

at the sanitation plant

29:40

with her was

29:41

also a lot of help. She

29:44

listed out all the possible suspects

29:46

or people close to Adrian Lily

29:48

was also very, very distraught

29:51

over her best friend's killing.

29:53

She felt a bit of guilt

29:56

because she was actually supposed to be

29:58

in Hawaii that very night

30:00

of

30:00

the murders getting married.

30:02

And

30:02

if she had not called up her wedding

30:05

earlier that year,

30:06

Adrian would probably be by her

30:08

side across the ocean and not

30:11

dead. Oh, don't do that to yourself, Leslie.

30:13

Spine in a row.

30:14

Unless, Lee Miller, this is gonna,

30:16

like, spin around to be one of those

30:18

things where the friend did it.

30:21

It's It's her name is Lily. Oh, Lily.

30:23

Don't

30:23

worry. Yep. Okay.

30:24

Well then Lily don't beat yourself

30:27

up. So the police

30:28

interviewed third

30:30

eighteen hundred people Gretchy, which almost

30:32

sounds like how many people live in Napa?

30:34

Yeah, it

30:35

does. I know. It's

30:37

not that big. They took

30:39

DNA samples of over two

30:42

hundred to test against

30:44

the killer killer's DNA and

30:46

nothing I

30:48

am. So

30:49

the case went pretty cold. It

30:51

was featured on America's Most Wanted,

30:54

and it was also on

30:56

Dateline.

30:57

Lauren, the roommate was featured on

30:59

both. However, she wanted her face hidden

31:01

in her name, which you can understand why

31:04

because my goodness. Like,

31:06

she probably still feeling like she

31:08

could be sought

31:09

after. You know? Yeah. And

31:12

Lily, the best friend was on Dateline a

31:14

lot talking about the girls. Actually,

31:16

on Dateline, they did a little spot

31:18

on how Lily and her boyfriend,

31:21

Eric couple who

31:23

were both friends with Adrian ended up

31:25

deciding their love for each other

31:27

after eight

31:28

years was destined in

31:30

marriage. And

31:30

after that tragedy, which would have

31:32

been their wedding night, they

31:35

quickly got hitched after

31:38

the murders. And Adrian's

31:38

mom spoke at their wedding, and

31:41

they even played

31:42

Adrian's favorite song, which is

31:45

really nice. That is

31:46

nice. But you know, like a lot of people got married

31:48

after September eleventh and shit

31:50

because they felt the same kind of way.

31:52

Oh, right.

31:52

I did a shakeout.

31:56

And I've read that. Are they all

31:58

still married? No. That's why I

31:59

didn't shake out. Yeah. Oh, it

32:02

didn't shake out. Okay. So

32:04

you you're saying you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't do

32:06

that? Yeah. I'm saying, like, the twin towers

32:08

shouldn't have to crumble for you to

32:10

realize that's the person you wanna spend the rest

32:12

of your life with. And if

32:14

that's what it takes, that's probably a

32:17

red flag. Yeah.

32:18

Okay. Good to know.

32:19

So by August of two thousand five,

32:21

the case was approaching a

32:23

year and there were still no

32:26

leads, so the detectives

32:28

decided to let the cow out of the

32:30

bag about these cigarettes found

32:32

at

32:32

the scene. DNA came back

32:34

that the cigarettes matched the blood in the house

32:36

so they knew it was the killers. And

32:40

some additional DNA evidence

32:42

came out such as the

32:44

killer was European descent

32:47

mail his

32:48

twenties with blue or green

32:51

eyes, which

32:51

narrows it down pretty good,

32:54

but I also think

32:56

that's

32:56

probably who they were looking

32:58

at anyways.

32:59

Right? The brand of cigarettes were

33:02

also unique as they had just been

33:04

released months earlier and they

33:06

were called Camel Turkish

33:08

gold. Okay. Smoke

33:11

those?

33:11

I know be smoking the cigarettes.

33:14

I know.

33:14

So news reports went

33:16

out stating new evidence leading

33:18

to the killer of the Napa murders.

33:20

He is a white male in

33:22

his twenties and a smoker.

33:26

Well, you it wasn't, but

33:29

five

33:29

days later,

33:32

Police got the shock of their

33:34

lives when the killer walked

33:36

into the police station

33:38

to surrender. Wow.

33:40

And, Gretchen, you will not believe who

33:42

it was. Who was

33:43

that? It was

33:46

Eric Koppel. Adrienne's

33:48

best friend's husband.

33:50

been Whoa.

33:53

oh I did

33:55

not see that

33:58

coming. Well, neither

33:59

did the police.

34:02

He was

34:02

not on their radar, actually,

34:05

and he was one of the only

34:07

ones that got away without providing his

34:09

DNA sample because

34:12

He

34:12

just failed to show up to his appointment, but

34:14

police overlooked it because they weren't

34:16

looking at him at all. Right.

34:19

they didn't think that he had a

34:21

motive to kill, but they

34:23

were wrong. He did

34:24

have a motive and although

34:27

he has never admitted to this

34:29

motive, I am pretty sure what I am going to tell you is

34:31

the reason. Lillian

34:34

Adrian spoke all the

34:36

time. I mean, all the time, they

34:38

were probably like us. Gretchen,

34:40

they talked at work because I didn't see Sean

34:42

murdering me. That's where you're

34:44

going with this. I could totally see it. He gets

34:46

really annoyed with how much we

34:48

talk. He's not gonna murder you.

34:50

I promise.

34:52

They would talk on the phone a lot and they

34:55

had a lot of fun together. Earlier that year in March

34:57

of two thousand and four,

35:00

Lilly broke her engagement

35:02

off with Eric.

35:04

They stayed together, but she

35:06

wasn't sure if she wanted to commit

35:08

her life to him. Eric knew

35:11

Adrian probably was supporting Lilly through

35:13

this decision. Lilly and Adrian

35:15

were also just about to go on a

35:17

trip to us drill you together

35:20

to visit, I think, Adrian's

35:22

mom. And in Lillian

35:24

Adrian's duo, Eric

35:26

was kinda left out. Eric being

35:28

somewhat of a loner, anti social kind of

35:30

guy, his life revolved

35:32

around Lily. She

35:34

was his only light in a very

35:38

dark self. So yes. He thought if

35:40

killing if he killed Adrienne, he

35:42

could have Lily all to himself, which

35:46

in hindsight

35:46

hindsight kinda

35:48

did work. Right? He got to

35:51

marry her. Yeah. He

35:53

did

35:53

get to marry her. But,

35:55

Sean, if you kill me, she'll just glob

35:58

on to one of those

35:59

new Texas boos she's hanging

36:02

out with. Oh god. Dad needs someone to chat

36:04

with. She's a shabby.

36:06

Okay. I'm not right.

36:08

I would be

36:10

a replace. No killing

36:12

Grety. Yeah.

36:13

Unfortunately, I think Leslie

36:16

was just an innocent by

36:18

standard. And he may have accidentally killed Leslie first or

36:20

killed her to make sure there was no

36:22

witnesses. I don't know why he

36:24

killed her. but

36:26

the anger was towards Adrian and it was obvious

36:29

when Lily said on date

36:31

line that she had to be buried

36:33

in a turtleneck and she

36:35

hated turtlenecks. By the

36:38

way,

36:38

when she was on date

36:40

when

36:40

she was on date line, he

36:42

was in that studio the entire time. Oh

36:45

my god. And

36:46

this is before they

36:47

before he came. You

36:49

know what I would do?

36:50

If I was really if you

36:52

pissed me right off and I had you murdered,

36:54

I would have them bury

36:56

you in some flat shoes.

36:58

my god, I'd be so pissed. They

37:01

better be tennis shoes.

37:03

I was like, some Oh,

37:06

my god. It's rally slaps. No. No.

37:09

We're like, don't do it to me. wanted

37:11

to do that.

37:14

Don't

37:14

do it. I

37:16

think Eric took his rage out

37:19

on her and Adrian

37:21

was a fighter I mean, she fought through

37:23

that one accident. She was not gonna go down easily and she

37:26

didn't. Although Eric did not give

37:28

a motive, he

37:30

said that he and Lily

37:32

went out drinking that

37:34

night and went to a Halloween

37:36

party. He

37:36

got wasted, and Lily

37:38

didn't wanna deal with his drunk gas,

37:41

so she ditched him and went to her parents. This is

37:43

when he went to the

37:44

girls' house and he smoked a

37:47

couple cigarettes thinking and

37:50

Then he says

37:51

he completely blacked out. He has

37:53

no recollection of

37:54

killing the girls, but knows that

37:58

he is the one that did it. And after leaving the

37:59

house, he went home, he burned

38:02

all his clothes in a fire pit in

38:04

his front yard, and then he went

38:06

to sleep. and never

38:08

talked about it again until

38:10

he

38:10

heard on the news that

38:13

they were closing in on him

38:15

and that is when he decided

38:17

to kill himself. So he wrote

38:19

two suicide notes to his parents saying

38:21

he was gonna end his life

38:24

and that it wasn't suicide. It was

38:26

justice so the court didn't get to kill him

38:28

first. His family then convinced him

38:30

to turn himself in

38:32

instead of suicide and

38:34

take a plea deal. which is

38:36

what

38:36

he did. I like his family.

38:38

They're not those bad kinds

38:40

that say, like, don't worry,

38:42

son. Well, if you have

38:43

a million dollars and

38:46

send you off so you can get away and

38:48

I know somebody else and

38:50

not be accountable. I know.

38:52

So Eric took a plea deal

38:54

for the death penalty to be taken off the table,

38:56

which it's like dude you're in California. So when you're

38:58

not gonna have death penalty anyways. and

39:01

he plead guilty and he got life in

39:04

prison. At

39:06

his sentencing, they

39:08

allowed the family to speak, and Adrian's mom,

39:10

of course, was devastated. I mean,

39:12

she went to his freaking wedding.

39:16

for

39:16

goodness sakes. She trusted him and

39:18

she trusted them, him and Lily

39:20

as a couple, and she was

39:24

heartbroken. but she told him she would never think of him again,

39:26

and she would just hold Adrian's name

39:28

in in her honor,

39:30

and that's the only person that

39:32

she would think about

39:34

again. Lilly, whom they

39:37

questioned extensively and deemed that

39:39

she was just a deer in a headlights,

39:41

meaning she knew nothing about her

39:43

husband's guilt also asked to

39:45

speak. And here is what she

39:47

has to say. I'm Lily Koppel.

39:49

Eric's my my heart goes out

39:51

to both Arlene and Kathy, and to the rest of their

39:54

families and friends. I wish with all

39:56

my heart these events had been

39:58

avoided.

39:59

Eric, there is nothing in this world that you could do to make

40:02

new of your lips. I can

40:03

say without hesitation that

40:06

the man who committed this

40:08

crime is not present in the person or mind

40:10

of my husband today. We still bear

40:12

the scars of losing Adrian and Leslie

40:14

in such a horror buying way. Now

40:16

we must also endure the pain of watching

40:18

a much loved and very

40:20

admirable man, spent the rest of

40:22

his life behind bars. So,

40:23

well, this of course did not sit

40:25

well with the girls family. And honestly, I think

40:28

it's pretty

40:30

shitty. Yeah. Also, it makes

40:32

me think like, did you not have any

40:34

suspicions that he was guilty of this back when

40:36

it happened?

40:38

I know. And so because of what she said,

40:40

I think people do feel that way. I

40:44

don't my

40:46

god. I mean, I would hope not. I don't think

40:48

so, but you never

40:51

that you never know know.

40:53

And I'm also not opposed to her

40:55

feeling love towards her husband,

40:58

but I also think

40:59

she could tell him that in,

41:01

like, the many visits for

41:03

the next, like, seventy years of his life that she could

41:05

go to the prison? Yeah.

41:08

Read the film. I don't know if

41:09

he plays out. that man

41:12

any love. That's

41:12

right. Yeah. You never forgive him for this. Yes. It

41:14

was definitely

41:15

a dagger in the hearts of Leslie

41:17

and Adrian's parents. And then

41:20

Eric spoke And this

41:22

is what Eric has to say. I

41:23

am a

41:25

broken man. a

41:30

man splintered

41:35

by penetrating awareness

41:38

of my own potential

41:41

for wickedness. Well,

41:43

I cannot fathom and

41:46

full extent of the anguish I have

41:48

caused.

41:51

I recognize my

41:56

sinful needs.

42:04

Terrific agony on

42:05

a great number of people.

42:08

The words evade me to

42:10

articulate the depths of my sorrow.

42:13

Obviously, it looks like he has remorse. I

42:16

think he does. but Adrian's

42:18

mom thinks he is more sad for himself

42:20

than he is about the murders.

42:23

Right.

42:23

I agree. I'm

42:24

sure it's true. And that's the case. The

42:26

rest in peace, Leslie and Adrian.

42:28

Hopefully, they are passing out a lot of candy

42:31

in heaven tonight. And

42:33

as for Lauren, she moved to Los Angeles

42:35

to get closer to more crime,

42:37

kidding, not

42:39

kidding. She

42:42

said she wanted to

42:44

move to a bigger city where crime was

42:47

more apparent

42:48

and not as Gary? I don't know. It seems

42:50

kind of fucking

42:50

weird to me. Yeah.

42:52

Lily kept her last

42:55

name for a very long time,

42:57

but eventually did get divorced worst

42:59

from Eric and from

43:02

Facebook, I could see that she went back

43:04

to Prude Home, but still has

43:06

couple and parenthesis.

43:09

Weird. I

43:11

know. I agree.

43:13

Weird. And

43:14

that is the Halloween

43:17

case from Napa. That's a wop.

43:19

That's a

43:19

wop. Okay? Yeah. What per

43:22

deal?

43:23

Any questions? Well,

43:24

no. Raise your

43:25

hand. If you

43:26

can see it. We

43:29

videoed

43:29

this, so of

43:30

course, it was a shit show. We

43:33

definitely need

43:36

to

43:37

get

43:38

better at this

43:40

day. Yeah. And we will think we'll

43:42

put it out, but maybe edits it

43:44

could put some disclaimers that I'm real

43:46

sorry. It's the shit show. The shit show

43:49

began last night.

43:50

It's

43:54

okay. I mean, you guys,

43:56

you know, we were just trying

43:59

to

43:59

make do running our three kids all over God's Green

44:02

Earth trying to at least

44:04

get some sort of dinner on the table. I

44:06

swear to you, like,

44:08

it just It is one thing after another. Oh my god. I

44:10

gotta

44:10

dress up like a pirate tonight and do

44:12

the trunk or treat. Oh, right. And

44:14

my said

44:16

my daughter was in a haunted house at her middle Yeah.

44:19

And she tells me

44:21

the night before that she

44:23

needs an the outfit outfit.

44:26

like, a costume. And

44:28

I'm like, girlfriend, like,

44:30

you can't do that to me.

44:32

You know? Like, I have

44:34

should to do. so Walmart and

44:37

try to buy scrubs, by the

44:39

way, they do sell scrubs

44:42

at Walmart. if you're in the medical

44:44

field, and I'm sure you know this, but

44:46

they're really cute. They have, like, the little,

44:48

like,

44:49

you know, They're

44:50

not so boxy. Every once in a while, I see

44:52

somebody roll it in the fitted scrubs, and

44:54

I think that's how I would do it

44:56

if I wasn't totally grossed out

45:00

by needles. and joggers.

45:00

They could wear joggers. Like,

45:02

I got kind of these black

45:06

jogger scrubs.

45:06

I'm

45:07

like, shoot. Cute. So cute.

45:09

I wonder if nurse English wears

45:12

those.

45:12

I'm sure she does. I'm

45:13

sure she does too. And

45:16

the haunted

45:16

house was really fun at my

45:18

daughter's school, not the the one I went

45:20

to, oh my gosh, in Dallas, you

45:22

guys, it was freaking scary AF because

45:25

I was telling Gretchen, like,

45:27

these rooms are

45:29

psycho. Like, it feels like it

45:32

could be real psycho

45:34

weirdos. And then

45:36

to think of these rooms, you have to

45:38

be kind of a psycho weirdo.

45:40

If you agree.

45:42

I agree.

45:43

I feel like we did a case

45:45

one year where they were I

45:49

talked, I discussed

45:50

a Halloween themed Stripes

45:54

establishment.

45:57

I believe

45:57

it was in Portland. Oh,

45:59

oh

45:59

right. I think it

46:01

went out of business due to

46:03

COVID who knows if if anyone in the Portland area, I'd

46:05

love to know if that is back in line. You know, I

46:08

I will tell you that Portland

46:09

is one of the Strip club

46:11

capitals of the United

46:14

States. I was aware of that as well, but I do

46:16

think that maybe they should

46:19

be checking license plates

46:21

because I think if you like you're

46:24

scary with your

46:26

lack

46:27

of clothes wearing ladies, then

46:30

maybe

46:30

you're a suspect of some. Mhmm.

46:33

Prime. Mhmm. It's true.

46:35

I went to a

46:38

charity event where

46:38

it was for

46:40

human sex trafficking. And

46:42

let me tell you, the girl that spoke

46:46

there was a victim of

46:48

human sex trafficking, and

46:50

she was

46:52

from Portland.

46:52

from portland And she was

46:54

she went to high school there. She was

46:56

a university athlete. She said that she

46:58

never thought in a million years that

47:00

this would ever happen to her. the

47:02

guy groomed her for a year acting like

47:05

he was

47:05

gonna be her boyfriend.

47:08

And then he took her

47:09

to Vegas and started

47:12

selling her, pumping her full of drugs and

47:14

selling her. That's bananas.

47:17

I

47:17

mean, it was

47:19

bananas. And and she

47:22

landed herself in jail multiple

47:24

times. She tried, like, she

47:26

tried to

47:26

get away, but, you know, then

47:28

they just beat you up and

47:30

feed you more drugs and make you feel like kill

47:33

you. So it was

47:34

a super sad situation, but

47:38

she got out of it,

47:40

and now she's an activist for

47:41

for this charity.

47:42

Well, that's And I

47:45

saw myself a housewife there?

47:48

You did? Yeah. You

47:49

did.

47:51

I saw a Dallas

47:53

house. I got one that

47:55

I think is

47:56

good. Yes.

47:57

And they also have she also has a

47:59

podcast, Stephanie

47:59

Coleman. What's her podcast

48:01

called?

48:02

Weekly BS.

48:03

Yes. It's good. Yeah.

48:05

It is good. We we weekly like

48:07

it. Yeah. We do weekly

48:09

like it. I have a I have a story

48:11

since I have a platform that it's

48:13

like a little PSA. Tell

48:15

me.

48:15

Okay, so my neighbor was at the CVS and son, Old

48:17

man, buying gift

48:20

cards. Mhmm.

48:21

and his credit

48:22

card, he was trying to buy two thousand dollars worth

48:24

of gift cards and

48:25

his credit card got declined. Okay.

48:27

So he was

48:28

leaving, And my neighbor

48:30

was like, I I'm sorry, sir. Can I can

48:32

I ask you why you were

48:33

buying so many gift cards? And he

48:35

was like, no,

48:36

none of your business. And she was

48:39

like, well, the reason why I'm asking you was because I have an

48:41

uncle who got an email

48:43

that and got told he should

48:46

send somebody some gift cards, and it was a

48:48

big it was a big scam. So I'm just

48:50

looking out for you.

48:52

So he said, well, I I am

48:54

buying them for friend. It was a

48:56

friend I went to high school with. Oh my god. Yeah.

48:58

They're like, do you

48:59

have any kids Can

49:02

you blah blah blah? And he's like, well, I'm sure. because they

49:05

have known?

49:07

Oh my goodness. So

49:09

she saved him. Hopefully, I

49:12

know because he's like a dude.

49:14

seemed pretty determined to buy these

49:16

damn two thousand dollars worth of

49:18

gift card. When you go

49:21

to CVS, they own, like, you have

49:23

to do multiple transactions. So I I had

49:25

to get gift cards there because

49:27

my Long story short,

49:30

my all of

49:30

my gifts didn't come to California with me

49:33

last year for Christmas. for

49:35

some reason. And so we were last minute buying gift

49:37

cards at CBS. And they

49:40

only allow you buy, I think,

49:42

two hundred at a time. So you

49:44

have to do multiple

49:46

transactions than because of that or something. I

49:48

don't

49:49

know. But I

49:51

could see my grandfather being like, don't talk to

49:53

me, lady. I know what I'm

49:53

doing. Really? You know, go

49:56

screw off. Yeah. Mind your

49:58

own beeswax.

49:59

No. Well, I'm just saying

50:01

everybody watch out for the elderly.

50:04

But you

50:06

think I address like this

50:08

to you think people would know who I

50:10

am if I go around trick or treating

50:12

like this? I don't think so. I don't

50:13

think so. No. You were with

50:15

me, they would. one hundred

50:18

percent, but

50:18

they would just think I'm some, like,

50:20

I don't know, eighties woman.

50:25

ah But we should

50:27

have been

50:27

together. You should be here to Summit

50:30

on a weekend. Next time there is a

50:32

Halloween on

50:34

a weekend. Anyways, hopefully you guys go trick or treating

50:36

early because it's a school night

50:38

and unless you're I don't know. Do you guys have

50:40

school the next day? No,

50:42

we don't. yes, unless

50:43

you're in Orange County, you probably have school

50:45

the next day. And

50:48

so, you

50:50

know, get the

50:51

trick or treating done early. And if you are not

50:53

into the trick or treating days anymore, then

50:55

congratulations to you. You

50:58

don't even have to worry

50:59

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