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You're going to take on the world episode 30.

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Israel, Gaza.

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Welcome to the episode of You're going to take on the world.

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I am Dustin and joining me is Lauren.

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Lou, it's kind of big news.

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Happening this week though. So, yeah, ignore this Israel Gaza stuff, I guess.

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Especially this time around.

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So, we need to start with history.

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Everybody goes, "Ahhhh."

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But actually it's really interesting. It's going to be high level, but we need to get through some history on the topic

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before we do anything else.

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The Jewish people in some form are originated.

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And by originated started as an identifiable people

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prior to the Assyrian and Babylonian empires conquering the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah.

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Those are historically valid and validated.

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Like, they had kings. Those kings do show up in other countries' records.

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Well, are people claiming they never existed?

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No, no, no, no. But that part, by the time you're getting into the book of Second Kings,

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you're getting descriptions of events that have historical,

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like that's pretty legit history with a fair number of those kings showing up

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in written records of other kingdoms.

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Yeah. The Assyrians did a lot of relocating of people.

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So, the Northern tribes, a lot of them got shipped off.

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The rest became known as Samaritans. Good Samaritans or bad Samaritans?

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The Samaritans were believed to be bad because they weren't of pure Jewish blood.

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Oh. So, that's why the story of the good Samaritan is a big deal is that was a Samaritan who was

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better than the Pharisee who was the most pure of Jews.

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Okay, I had no idea about any of that, but go on.

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So, there was a Jewish kingdom in the general vicinity of the modern state of Israel,

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a lot of very significant overlap from the Hasmanian period.

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In the second century BCE, there was a kingdom of Judah that was reestablished

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during the Machiappe revolt, which ended a several hundred year cycle

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of the Greek Empire's successor states based out of modern Syria and Egypt,

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fighting over who had control of that territory.

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Okay. There's a long history of fighting over that territory.

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Yep. That continued until the Roman Empire, and Judah being incorporated into the Roman Empire as the

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province of Palestine.

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Then there was the Roman Jewish War, which was a very lengthy, very bloody battle between

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one of the most powerful empires in all of world history,

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and a tiny, tiny, tiny minority within their empire.

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The Roman Jewish War ended with the destruction of Jerusalem and the expulsion of all Jews from the land.

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Okay. Under pain of death.

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Well, death is painless up to the moment, but pain.

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And we're so under the pain of death.

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It's like, well, are you talking about the pain before death or like that sounds, it does sound terrible.

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By a thousand years ago, there were Jewish populations in Eastern Europe, the Qazar Empire

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is believed to have been Jewish and was why the precursors to the Zars considered Judaism as a religion

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they could adopt in the, in the legend of them deciding between Byzantine Christianity, Judaism,

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and Islam. Okay. So there were the Qazar's up there.

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There was a very substantial Jewish population in all on the loose,

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modern-day Spain. Okay.

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That was when it was under Morish control, which were North African,

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Burber Muslims, ruling over Spain.

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Okay. And Spain had a, all I'll end up loose had a golden age of science, math.

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It really became the, and banking.

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Golden age. There has been a, had been a very large Jewish population in and around Alexandria, Egypt,

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from the, like from Alexander's empire on.

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Okay. And just random Jewish communities scattered all the way around the Mediterranean.

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Because people spread?

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Yes. Spread like herpes. Generally speaking, the Muslim empires in that time period, yeah,

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thousand years ago were tolerant of Jews, because they were the people of the book,

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and they ran the financial system.

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The reason why Jews ran the financial system is Muslims were,

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Muslims believed charging interest to be a sin.

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And Christians, right? Christians also believed that charging interest was a sin.

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Jews did not have any problem with charging interest.

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So they were the only ones who could actually handle a banking system that made kind,

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any kind of profit. You can't run a banking system without charging interest on loans.

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It's the only thing that keeps everything going.

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Yep. Okay. And not only that,

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but stereotypes start to come in. That's part of where that comes in.

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Also, there was the Jewish diaspora spread across,

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you know, from Baghdad to Morocco to London to Russia.

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You had this network of people who ended up running most of the banking of the known world at that point.

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Well, aside note, we've been watching and catching up on Star Wars,

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Clone Wars, and they touch on the banking clan.

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And you can tell that it is a very thinly veiled poke at Jewish people,

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like super bad, almost what you would expect from like old newspaper characterization.

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Jewish people. It is super racist.

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If you're going for an alien species, so they're just going with it.

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But the banking clan, because they can run the banks.

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And the banking, they do. The banking clan is very much a major, major, major character,

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character of Ashkenazi Jews with just enough extra weird

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shaping of the head to make it look alien and not...

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I think you would expect from like 1800s or early 1900s political cartoons.

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Like, it was just so far, I'm like really, really guys.

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But that's the side of the point.

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Yeah. Obviously that was based off of something.

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So, when you get to more around 500 years ago,

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is when you get to the Spanish acquisition?

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Everybody just said it in their head.

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Nobody suspects. Well, at that point, everybody did because they knew it was there.

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When Ferdinand and Isabella decreed that all non-Christians

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must convert, leave or die.

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There...

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One of their many fuck-ups. Their official reason for that was

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breaking the treaty they made with the surrender of Granada when they completed

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the reconquista, finally conquering the last bit of what is now Spain.

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While Columbus was sailing across the Atlantic.

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Oh yeah, yes.

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Happy not Columbus Day.

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The timing of that was it's not that the age of discovery started after the reconquista.

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It was... It started...

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Did buy. It started as it was ending and then Spain had a whole bunch of soldiers

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very, very battle-hardened soldiers that they didn't want to have at home.

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So they sent them to the New World and conquered the New World.

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Well, we can't really area integrate you into society.

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So off you go. So Spain...

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So they decided to make sure that there wasn't any chance that the Muslims,

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because at that point, 30 to 70% of Spain's population was Muslim.

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Okay. They didn't want them rebelling against the Catholic monarchs.

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Yeah. The really super Catholic monarchs.

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So they ordered them to convert? Or upon the pain of death.

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They also made the Jews convert because they're not Christian and they...

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They had a lot more... They said everybody who wasn't Christian.

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So that includes you guys. And the Jews in All Under Loose had much higher quality of life than they were getting offered

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even if not for the Inquisition in Catholic Spain.

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So the king of Poland invited Spain's Jews to move to Poland,

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which prompted the Polish Golden Age.

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Right. Like I'm sensing it's so funny because here is a people who have been harassed for a millennia.

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And um... But they bring prosperity wherever they go.

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Oh. So where's the logic there?

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And it all comes down to that religious idealism.

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Uh, not idealism. A religious, um,

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purity that people are become hyper focused on.

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And it's just that's really sad that you literally like...

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All right. The German Inquisition...

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Or upon you, I guess. The German Inquisition also...

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They went after witches but also Jews.

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Which is actually where you get a lot of the modern witch imagery.

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The black hats, the ugly faces, what they would...

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We would consider big-nosed ugly faces of witches.

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The style of a tire is all based on the...

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This is a German Jewish witch hunt.

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There's a lot of the faces of that is from those stories.

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It's like, oh man. Around the same time, Russia was beginning to form.

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And Eastern Orthodox with a bunch of Jews around...

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pogroms began.

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Uh, back in Germany, when Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation.

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One of the key principles was that Jews were evil and needed to be destroyed.

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Yeah, they gloss over that one in school.

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So the 30 years war, you had Catholics and Protestants fighting all across Germany,

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slaughtering Jews. Uh, like, bad, bad stuff.

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Really bad. By the time you get to the 1890s, you start getting these

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white racist evangelical pro-Jewish groups that they weren't actually pro-Jewish people.

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They were... Let's get Jewish people out of our country because we don't want them here.

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Not in our neighborhood. They're going to bring them back to Israel so that they can bring about the apocalypse by rebuilding the temple.

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Yeah, some things are just too messed up to really comprehend that people think this way, but there you go.

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So starting in about the 1890s, Jews from around Europe started migrating to modern-day Israel.

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There had been... I mean, it was taught to us that it's a safe haven.

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You guys have been harassed for far too long. Let's give you a safe place to live and we are spreading ourselves on the back to this day for doing that.

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But there's a weird undercurrent.

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In the... like, let's bring about the end of the world.

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Here you go. In the 1890s. In the 1890s.

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It was American racist and Germans and Brits putting Jews on boats to go to the Ottoman Empire.

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Like, nothing about that made sense.

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No, no. But that's what they did and the Ottoman Empire was pretty tolerant of Jews.

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So during the Ottoman period, there had been Jews moving back into the area of Israel.

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So there were some that had been there for quite a while. There were people who had been there all along though.

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Really, all that time. And they were interbeing this influx of Jews that increased, of course, with the rise of Nazi Germany.

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Yeah. Refugee kind of escape to someplace safe.

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But by the time Nazi Germany had come about, that was British mandate Palestine.

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Okay. So what is that?

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At the end of World War I, the Ottoman Empire was chopped up into pieces.

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Plan the Allies had for what they were going to do with Turkey failed.

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And there was another war over that. The Turks did not put up a fight over the rest of the territory.

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Okay. So the British got League of Nations mandates for modern day Israel, Jordan, and Iraq.

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Okay. The French got Syria and Lebanon.

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You see how well that turned out. And the Saudis got everything else?

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Saudi Arabia. What is now Saudi Arabia?

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The Heshemite and Saudi dynasties in that area were allowed to just do their own thing.

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Yeah, okay. The Saudis of Saud took over.

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And but the British greatly increased the amount of Jews moving into Palestine.

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And I'm using the word Palestine here because that was the name it had at the time.

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Okay. That had been the name of the territory from 16 at least by 69 CE.

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Oh wow. That's an old yeah.

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Okay. Until 1948. So in 1948, Britain didn't know what to do with the land because there were a bunch of Jews.

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There were a bunch of Arabs.

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Some of those Arabs were Muslims. Some of those Arabs were Christian and they had a whole bunch of people.

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They had been promising Jews that they would give them their own country,

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but they couldn't figure out a way to actually do that.

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Yeah. And so the UN worked out a partitioning.

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And the partitioning created the state of Israel and a Palestinian state in the West Bank

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and the Gaza Strip. Okay.

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The West Bank and the Gaza Strip being the areas that had the highest Arab population

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and the lowest Jewish population, the areas that were to become Israel were the areas with the

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highest Jewish population. Okay.

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So not an arbitrary line.

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It was determined by population demographics.

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Okay. We'll put it here and here.

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And neither was going to get Jerusalem.

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Okay. Jerusalem was going to be an international uh, cove ruled city that would be neutral territory for all.

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Sounds like a pretty good plan.

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The day that Israel declared independence, they were invaded by all of their neighbors.

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Whoops.

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Jordan. We didn't work with the neighbors.

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Did they when they did this?

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Jordan? To the traditions. No, because the neighbors also got independence at the same time.

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So you give a whole bunch of people independence,

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you know, and then at that point it is a scramble for resources.

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Yep. For and then whoever's the most the strongest will hopefully be on top.

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There'll be bloody for a few years, but then peaceful reign.

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Stability will conquer all.

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No. The final outcome ended up being Israel kept the territory that was supposed to be Israel.

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Jordan took the or Israel took that plus most of Jerusalem.

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Jordan got the West Bank and East Jerusalem and Egypt got control of Gaza.

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Okay. That lasted until the 1967 war when the Arab countries invaded Israel again.

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And Israel by that time was strong enough to take all of the land.

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At that time, all the way to the Sinai canal and they took the Golden Heights from Syria.

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Okay. 19. That leaves Jerusalem still split between Israel and Jordan.

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Well, in 1967. Yeah.

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Israel took over all of it.

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Okay. So they took over Jerusalem took over the West Bank.

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The West Bank. Gaza Strip.

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Gaza Strip. They had it all. And the Sinai.

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Yeah. And the Golden Heights. So the so the the Arab you said the Arabs attacked that would would have been what Turkey?

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No. Jordan. Syria, Jordan.

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Syria, Jordan, Egypt. So they they went in and got not just beat but totally beat back.

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Yeah. Lost a budget territory. Okay.

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The six days war. Yeah.

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And where the Israel was paid for by the US at that point or is that

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was that is that relationship still at that time.

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Israel was getting backing from the US for the same racist

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evangelical reasons largely.

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Well, okay. It's actually to be fair.

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In the US you have the pro-Israel groups.

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You have evangelicals for really bad reasons.

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Which not very many people know about those reasons.

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That is not one that has talked about much and is not a huge population.

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Maybe it is but it's not openly.

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20 to 30% of the US population.

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And George W. Bush. Okay.

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Yeah.

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Their reason for supporting Israel is so that Israel can rebuild the temple

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and sacrifice the red heifer on the altar and bring about Armageddon.

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Yeah, with baddies. Anyway, okay.

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That's only 20 to 30%. Yep. For the rest, there is a major stereotype that a doctor I worked with once

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his family fit the stereotype perfectly.

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He was Jewish. He was a doctor.

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He had a brother who was an accountant and his other brother worked in Hollywood.

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He was a movie producer. There are a lot of Jewish people in the US tend to be very successful.

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Whether they are the sons and daughters of refugees or

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benefit forever or whatever.

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There are a very disproportionate amount of Jews who are lawyers, work in Hollywood,

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are working in high finance.

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It's amazing what happens when you actually care about education.

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But. Yep. That's not racially motivated.

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Just. Not too long ago, the US Supreme Court was one third Jewish.

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The Senate and House are both usually about one quarter Jewish.

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When a quarter of the legislature is Jewish, they're going to support a quarter of the

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legislature supports Zionism to bring about the end of the world.

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Okay. So you got 50% there.

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And the other half are getting campaign contributions.

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Or honestly, just have a humanitarian idealistic view of the world.

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They want to help out a traditionally marginalized group.

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Yeah. Okay. So that fits it all out.

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All right. So 1973 was the Yom Kippur War when, again, Israel's neighbors invaded.

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And Egypt got the Sinai peninsula back.

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Okay. Syria got some territory back.

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Jordan didn't get anything.

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Although the king of Jordan is the holder of the Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem.

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So he is the one who is responsible for those for current rules and agreements and treaties.

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After that, Egypt and Jordan both normalize relations with Israel.

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They're the first Arab countries and the first Muslim countries to recognize that Israel exists.

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And to agree that Israel has.

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They're trying to take it away and they stood their ground.

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So eventually you're going to say, all right, all right, all right.

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Yeah. Now, when I was in Jordan, I made a weekend trip to Jerusalem.

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As far as Jordan was concerned, I did not cross any border crossings.

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So they did not stamp my passport out or in because they did not recognize

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the Jordan River as a border.

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Israel sure did. Yeah.

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They stamped me in and out. Okay. It resulted in a situation where I had to get my visa extended in Jordan

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because even though I left the country and re-entered, I didn't leave the country and re-enter.

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Yeah. Yeah. And the timing of that trip was one week after Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip.

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Now, who is Hamas? So the Palestinians ever since the partition?

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All of the, yeah, they have been powerless, largely refugee because one of the things that happened when

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with that war in 1948 was a lot of Arabs got kicked out of their houses and they had to move.

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They became refugees. So you had a large refugee population.

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You have cases of people living in refugee camps for generations.

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You have Palestinian refugees in Jordan and other surrounding countries.

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For Jordan, it's, they've got about a million Palestinian refugees.

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Between Palestinian and Iraqi refugees and Syrian refugees now, Jordan is on the verge of

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collapse at all times because of the number of refugees.

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They just don't have the resources to support that many people in need.

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Yeah. Jordan would not be able to do that without USAID.

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And the region is much stable because that exists.

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Right, because those people need to go somewhere. They don't go somewhere.

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They just end up staying and getting slaughtered. So there were several Arab movements.

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The PLO, Palestinian Liberation Organization, was the primarily secular organization.

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They were the ones involved in the Munich Olympics bombing,

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main hijackings. And that was Yasser Erafat's group.

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He renounced terrorism in the 90s.

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And his organization went peaceful and moved towards getting more autonomy for their occupied territory.

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Okay. The, in the early 2000s, the PLO rebranded to the Palestinian Authority.

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This was especially as they were gaining independence or at least autonomy.

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Not independence, but autonomy. Okay. They had control of the West Bank and Gaza until June 2007.

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When they had elections and the Palestinian Authority continued to do well in the West Bank.

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And Hamas won in Gaza.

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I just still haven't answered your question of what was Hamas.

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Hamas is a group that has, it was a Palestinian, specifically Muslim, Palestinian,

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liberation organization that had a political wing and a military wing.

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And the military wing of the party, everybody calls terrorists because it is a,

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they're the fighters. They're the fighters and have engaged in acts of terrorism because they have, they are powerless.

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Okay. Politically powerless.

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Politically powerless and militarily, not particularly powerful.

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So in 2006, or to be 2007,

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Hamas won the elections. They seized control of the West Bank and like everybody was tre-

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or not West Bank of Gaza. There were a lot of efforts to keep them from actually taking control, but that failed.

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And so Israel has had Gaza siege ever since.

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So they, so Haza won the, Hamas won the elections.

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Israel said no way moved in.

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No, they just blocked it off.

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Oh, block. Okay. The Gaza Strip is tiny.

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Right. It's called a strip for reasons.

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What did you say? Like 40 square miles or something?

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In that ballpark, yeah. It has 2.3 million people living in it.

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Yeah. It's crowded.

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It started out as just Gaza City.

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But refugees filled up the rest of the available land.

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It is one of the most densely populated territories in the world.

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One of the most impoverished territories in the world.

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Probably the most impoverished territory in the world.

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And it has been a humanitarian crisis for generations.

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Right. Because you have a bunch of displaced people.

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Whose parents were displaced.

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His grandparents were displaced.

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Yep. They don't have a home. They don't have territory.

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So that leaves them vulnerable to gang-like living situations.

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You got people piled on top of other people.

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They don't have anywhere to go. Yep. And it depend wholly on aid from outside territories.

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Right. Primarily Iran.

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Okay. All right. So.

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So you can see why some bleeding heart liberal might say,

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"Oh, that's, that's, we got to fix this."

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So what I'm going to say before we start about the,

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talk about the current crisis. Israel is in apartheid state.

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Yes. By definition of apartheid.

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They are what they have been doing to Gaza has been

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has been a crime against humanity.

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There are no good solutions.

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There are no solutions to the Gaza problem.

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Because Gaza is a problem. Having that many people packed into that type of a territory.

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That is a territory that shouldn't exist.

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Not in that the people should be wiped off the map.

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Right. Through the current crisis.

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Hamas militants

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successfully pulled off a sneak attack on Israel.

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With trucks and heavy equipment

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knocking down the border walls and crossing

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with people paragliding across the border

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with boats making amphibious landings.

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It was a massive operation. And five thousand missiles.

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Enough that they were able to overwhelm

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Israel's iron dome anti-missile defense system.

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So we paid for that.

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That's all I can think was like somebody paid for that.

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Israel didn't know it was going to happen.

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Amazing. Mossad failed. The US didn't know it was going to happen.

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Mossad is Israel's intelligence organization.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah, nobody knew it was going to happen. Yeah. Obviously that's why it was a surprise attack.

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Hamas managed to

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as far as we know. Hamas killed over a thousand people.

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Yeah. They took over a hundred people hostage.

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They captured several towns and villages.

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And between then and the time of recording,

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which is Sunday, October 15, Israel has retaken their territory.

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The civilian death toll on both sides is well over a thousand.

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Yeah. The military death toll on both sides is approaching a thousand.

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Hezbollah has been launching

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some missiles out of Lebanon.

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Which is normal activity.

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And normal for that area.

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Relatively normal activity. And there have been a few people killed in the West Bank as well at this point.

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I don't know any details on that one.

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Yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of details that we are missing at the moment.

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Yeah. As things change over the next week or two or year.

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Yeah. We'll see what happens.

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As of recording, Israel has also

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ordered everyone in northern Gaza to

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evacuate to southern Gaza.

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So half of that 2.3 million people.

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Approximately 1 million people. You did just skidaddle.

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Need to go to the other part of the overly crowded area.

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Some of these... Set up for failure much.

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Some vehicles fleeing have been hit

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by Israeli missiles. They have been given specific instructions about where to go,

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what hours to travel and when to be off the roads.

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And some of the vehicles are still getting hit by missiles.

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And from the last report, I saw

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several hundred thousand Palestinians have fled northern Gaza.

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Yeah. Israel is a full-blown war zone.

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Israel is preparing a full-scale invasion of Gaza.

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And those are the facts of the situation at this point.

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There are two statements I'm going to make that are going to sound

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contradictory that I believe to be true in this situation.

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Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself.

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If they cross the border into Gaza, they will be committing genocide.

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That's not really contradictory.

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So much. Yeah, the right to defend yourself, but as soon as you start invasion,

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you've switched from defense to offense.

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And if this... Of course, there, you know, it makes sense.

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It's like, okay, if you guys are going to sit on the border and still attack us,

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then we're just going to eliminate the border or move it.

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And if this was Israel invading Lebanon again,

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the invasion itself would not be inherently a genocide.

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Gaza is a different situation because you could literally line up bulldozers

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and wipe it and its population off the map.

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This is nowhere to go. There's nowhere to go.

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It's only a couple miles wide. They could literally bulldoze it right into the Mediterranean Sea.

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It is a humanitarian catastrophe.

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It is a absolute disaster.

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And as we look at the history,

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unpreventable. Yeah, this has been

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for so long.

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This is an expected outcome. It's not going to fix anything.

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This is going to continue. This is...

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It is... I'm way. Absolutely unexpected outcome.

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It sucks. If you were to assume the worst will happen.

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And I would say the worst in this situation is real wipes out Gaza

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and kills a million civilians. Would be the worst case scenario.

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You'd still have about 1.3 million

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refugees fleeing. Assuming Egypt ever opens up the border.

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We all know how people feel about

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refugee immigration at the moment.

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Yep. They also have nowhere to go right now.

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Because right now, they... They might open their hearts and say,

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come on in, but nobody in Europe,

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nobody in Africa.

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The Middle East is... Jordan is already cramful.

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Egypt isn't accepting... They've sealed the border.

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Right. They want the war hit in them either. Right now, the US is just trying to negotiate with Egypt to let

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American and European nationals

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and UN staffers out of Gaza.

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At least let our people out. That's an easy to negotiate one.

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Yeah. And I can... I understand you just like,

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no, no, we're not touching it. You guys are in there.

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That's your own fault. Egypt doesn't want a million refugees.

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No. And there is a certain mentality of

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this has been building up. Why would you have your people there?

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But then again, this has been

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a humanitarian crisis for generations and there have been people who have been

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in there helping. Very far getting caught now.

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And very few people that are in Gaza

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necessarily want to be stuck there. Who wants to be there?

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They just have nowhere else to go or have to be there for work.

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So... It's a mess.

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Yeah. It's a mess and a lot of people

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have very strong feelings about it on both sides.

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We've heard one or two opinions from sides.

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There are many others that I could

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just as easily agree with. Many that I would disagree with.

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But it's one of those things where this

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does seem like an unsolvable problem.

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And honestly, from my couch here in Idaho,

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my opinion doesn't matter in the long run.

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My feelings about who to protect or who to not protect are meaningless.

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But we'll see over the next couple of weeks

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how the US responds, how Israel responds,

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who can we can be saved and who can't.

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And that's a really hard thing to just sit back and watch.

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Yeah. And the lack of information is...

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Yeah, and I have to re-emphasize

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we don't have enough information to say

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who is right or wrong in the situation.

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So... Well, many of you might be getting on your keyboards

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and writing up a nice thing saying, "You're wrong about this.

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I understand." Because this is just from our perspective

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that this is like, "Oh, this is really messed up."

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There's a lot of stuff that are right and wrong here.

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I fact, "Oh, no, there isn't. There's nothing right or wrong here.

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There's just a lot of confusion. And there's nobody will win."

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And I feel really, really bad for everybody involved.

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Because of the situation that is Gaza,

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there is no right. Yeah. A whole lot of wrong.

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It is a situation... It's about something that we can all agree on.

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It is a situation where there is so much evil

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that there is no good. Now, one thing speculation-wise on this,

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why the hell would Hamas do this?

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They knew, as hard as they hit,

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that Israel would destroy them.

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Well, I mean, I've been going off a little bit on conspiracy theories with Dustin.

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Every time we talk about this has been brought up.

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I'm like, "Well, this doesn't sound like, this doesn't sound right."

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This sounds like somebody paid to have a bunch of weapons,

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a bunch of... Somebody else with military intelligence

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went in there and orchestrated this plan

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and they're going to make money off. They're going to win.

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I don't know who it is. I ran.

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I'm possibly... Israel?

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I ran, it's been pumping the missiles. Israel and Hamas would never work together.

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But I was like, maybe not officially, but I'm sure somebody shook hands.

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But it's so easy in this situation to say,

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this doesn't make sense. It must be conspiracy.

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And that's just not the case. But...

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And the only... But it will be winning out of this.

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And unfortunately, a lot of people are going to die in the process.

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The only...

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That's the goal, though. I don't know. Only plausible explanation that makes sense to me

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is that Hamas was looking at

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more and more Arab countries,

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normalizing relations with Israel and figuring this is their last chance to get help.

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And the only way to get help is to create a crisis

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big enough to force their allies to come to their aid.

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I think they're going to find they don't have allies.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Nobody who's willing to step in anyway.

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You do an attack like that.

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Israel's got the money, the power,

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the allies to totally destroy them.

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So was... Is it you saying that this might be like a martyrdom situation

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where they're like... No. I think it was that they were...

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They were hoping to get Syria...

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Who's messed up? And Jordan.

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And Iraq and Egypt to come to their aid.

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Syria's got their own problems.

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Yeah. Jordan's already overburdened

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and cannot militarily intervene.

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I mean, it's just... Yeah, maybe.

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Maybe this is just desperation. Like, okay, this is our last chance.

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Let's try it. Oh, that backfire tremendously

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and now we've lost everything. Iraq doesn't share a border with Israel

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and is a mess.

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Not touching. Yeah, right? Syria does share a border, but is a mess.

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It's like a call-off or reinforcements and the person's like, "Nah, we're out."

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Egypt is not interested.

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Jordan...

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Can't.

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They just... And also, Jordan wouldn't do that.

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No. Without... They would not be...

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Let's just put it this way.

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No country flying F-16 fighters

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would be allowed to attack Israel.

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I'm sure that statement means something to you,

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but to me, that makes... I have those words in a sentence

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that don't actually make any sense. The countries who have...

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Who are using predominantly US military tech.

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Okay, thank you. That all comes with US power and leverage behind it.

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Yeah. So, yeah.

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It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks.

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It doesn't look good. No, it does not.

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All right.

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After that heavy topic,

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we are not going to talk about anything else. And that's probably not going to make sense to you

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because I will be editing the reference to there being something else.

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Yeah, this is a heavy one.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was. And if you do, if you do want to share opinions and questions

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and want us to discuss something further as things happen,

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