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find a and this is

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pressure cooker

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i said, i would never wear the hijab

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or give my my mini skirts

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never and

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now

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they became the central players and a a sprawling

0:16

terror investigation we just

0:18

hung out and played video games and

0:20

smoke weed and did

0:22

what we do you know, pressure cooker

0:24

is available on the cbc listen, app,

0:26

or wherever you, get your favorite podcasts

0:29

this

0:31

is a cbc podcast

0:37

john and amanda

0:40

have lived on the fringes their whole lives

0:42

there on welfare living with john's grandma

0:45

and struggling with addiction to opioids

0:47

and dungeons and dragons everything changes

0:50

when a mysterious figure with ties to extremists

0:52

terror enters their lives soon

0:55

they're caught up in a web of deception and conspiracy

0:58

that could land them in prison for the rest of their

1:00

lives a trap set for them by

1:02

undercover cops as part of a sprawling

1:04

costly sting operation pressure

1:07

cooker host dead pierce reveals

1:09

the story of how john in amanda's wound

1:11

up at the center of a plot to bomb a national

1:14

holiday celebration now

1:16

here's the first episode of pressure

1:18

cooker

1:28

he what you make us do we

1:30

have diseases i ,

1:32

recruited by anybody to do

1:34

this and doing this is my last

1:36

three was was same

1:38

thing i was recruited by this concerns

1:41

this concerns

1:43

humanity you're listening

1:45

to a video recorded in a twenty thirteen

1:49

a secret camera drifts over for stainless

1:52

steel pressure cookers the

1:54

insides coated with glue and rusty nails

2:00

on a nearby gas or wire cutters

2:03

and nine volt battery and to analog

2:05

alarm clocks with wires dangling off

2:07

the sides you can hear them taking

2:13

the clip cuts to to figure sitting on

2:15

a bed so , ago

2:21

ago man sits on the right his face

2:24

and head are covered by a palestinian style

2:26

palestinian he's wearing and unzipped

2:28

black and jacket black

2:31

ever saw they're

2:33

going to be the

2:35

one of the kill us all on

2:38

the left is a woman shrouded in black

2:41

and the cob covering her face says

2:43

he says

3:15

the debate aces like step to the wall

3:18

with doctor

3:19

this is a war is declared on islam

3:23

the we going to fight back with

3:25

everything we've got even

3:27

if it means using our lies

3:30

we're people who embrace

3:33

, the way you embrace

3:36

life this ,

3:38

not all and amanda karate the

3:41

recording this video to be released after they

3:43

carry out of violent flies by

3:46

some to ,

3:48

stop fighting evil

4:03

maybe the last

4:05

thing i ever see for

4:07

, to

4:14

give up

4:20

it's not clear from the video what their plan

4:23

is

4:23

the question forty eight hours away we're

4:27

about to here is the unbelievable story

4:29

of how it came to this the

4:32

moments of terrorists

4:37

brutal the trail unlikely

4:40

romance

4:40

guess you that you're

4:43

going to him that to be

4:44

you going to hear about friendship we

4:46

bonded over obese will love black sabbath

4:48

from the dead kennedys and staggering

4:51

absurdity

4:52

no knowledge of how to work and there's there's

4:54

some

4:55

how hard to the vr suddenly

4:57

says he has i'm

4:59

, pearce and this

5:02

is pressure cooker

5:36

you gotta remember that this is early

5:38

twenty thirty the ,

5:40

in afghanistan is dragging on on

5:45

is trying to get out of out but

5:47

it's still a it's mess next

5:51

door and syria it's syria full

5:53

blown the civil war

5:57

isis the islamic state of

5:59

iraq and the area is just beginning

6:01

it's rise the infamy thousands

6:04

of mostly young muslim men from around

6:06

the world will fly to the middle east

6:08

coast

6:10

he now know there are dozens maybe

6:12

even as many as a hundred canadians

6:14

fighting in syria some

6:17

the rebel group living are now

6:19

with extreme

6:21

in april that year

6:25

the boston bombers killed three people

6:27

and mean two hundred and sixty four more

6:29

using a pair of homemade pressure cooker

6:31

bombs

6:37

robert mueller was the f b i director at

6:39

the time as ,

6:42

by the recent attacks at boston the

6:44

terrorist threat against the united states was remain

6:46

our top priority priority

6:48

face a continuing threat from threat

6:51

from extremists their

6:53

experiences and motives are often distinct

6:56

which makes them difficult to identify

6:58

and to stop

7:00

in canada the rcmp and

7:03

ccs our version of the f b

7:05

i and cia disrupt

7:07

several terror plots one just

7:09

a week after the boston marathon bombings

7:12

after an extensive and complex criminal

7:14

investigations name projects

7:16

smooth

7:17

the rcmp arrested and charged

7:20

to individuals

7:21

the two men were allegedly planning

7:23

to do whale via rail

7:25

your dream with the help of al

7:27

qaeda job as terrorism is

7:29

not a future possibility it

7:31

is a present reality there's

7:33

then canadian prime minister stephen harper

7:36

violent jihad is i'm is not just the dangerous

7:39

somewhere else it seeks to

7:41

harm us here in canada

7:43

inner cities

7:45

and in our neighborhood

7:47

the same time that canada is hyper

7:49

focused on so called islamic terror

7:52

there's a rash of anti muslim attacks that

7:54

dimension broad surveillance of muslim communities

7:57

it is absolutely very alarming ready

7:59

concerning that islam of or via is

8:02

on the rise and people are trying to

8:04

incite head towards muslims my

8:06

using the atrocities of isis and

8:08

create a backlash of use the muslim community

8:11

and we are as law abiding citizens

8:13

as any other canadian

8:21

wow law enforcement was on high alert

8:23

for terrorists threats you're

8:25

not all wasn't exactly keeping a low profile

8:29

he was yelling and screaming

8:31

into the phone and i could hear the person

8:33

on the other side of the line yelling and screaming

8:35

back at him

8:37

this is charlene thompson

8:39

late one night in july twenty twelve she

8:41

was out on our patio having a cigarette

8:44

just after midnight she began to overhear

8:46

one half of a phone conversation it

8:49

was your neighbor across the street john

8:51

that's the one thing that i remember

8:54

him saying was

8:56

that they were prepared to do whatever they needed to

8:58

do to get to the other

9:00

the time john was living in a basement

9:02

suite and surrey british columbia with his grandmother

9:04

and is common law wife amanda karate

9:08

the live in a pretty typical residential neighborhood

9:10

quiet except for busy scott road right

9:13

next to the house charlene

9:15

, lives across the street and

9:17

how it was way uglier than this than

9:19

and i thought oh for series gonna blow us up

9:23

he can laugh about it now but at a time

9:25

she says was frightening surely

9:28

says john was super animated imagine

9:31

a six foot four bearded guy

9:34

dressed like a soldier stomping up and down

9:36

the street shouting about blowing

9:38

up islamic countries and getting into the afterlife

9:41

the not on camera gear and army

9:44

boots and yelling

9:46

really loud and the phone

9:48

oh yeah kind of scared me

9:50

when he was saying scared me and

9:52

off the phone the police

9:54

the you own a police and then today com

9:56

that night and talk to him and like what did

9:58

anything com of that know

9:59

by the time they got here he was

10:02

back inside watching a movie with his

10:04

grandma in his life american right

10:07

so they came and told me and they parked

10:09

in my driveway and liquidity

10:11

it still hurts me with thrive

10:13

we've been a know it was nice but

10:15

anyways they said no he's fine he's is sitting

10:17

on the couch

10:18

what can a movie with israel much

10:20

the cops basically brush the whole thing off

10:23

this is likely the first time that john's

10:25

extremist views and upon the police

10:28

radar

10:31

about three

10:33

months later in october officers

10:35

are back at the basement suite responding to

10:37

another complaint this

10:40

time a many mohammad chowdhry

10:42

tells police the john call them

10:44

up and said he killed a jewish woman

10:47

the needed help getting rid of the body

10:50

kadri told police he met john at a downtown

10:52

vancouver mosque

10:54

that no had converted to islam about a year

10:57

earlier

10:58

and was talking about wanting to go fight a holy

11:00

war in afghanistan when

11:02

the police show up at john store he's

11:05

drunk and stoned the

11:07

smell of weed comes wafting out of the house

11:10

the told the officers he was only joking

11:13

the chowdhry he's the one is the

11:15

terrorists in any

11:17

case with no dead body and

11:19

no reports of any gunshots

11:21

the officers leave the scene

11:29

so then there's this third thing which comes

11:31

from canada spy agency

11:33

we have this letter from ceases to the

11:36

rcmp and it's regarding john

11:38

not all this

11:39

the producers air berman

11:40

and of course it's on ceases letter

11:42

hard with top secret underlined

11:45

at the top in case you missed it and

11:47

then above and the page it says our

11:49

service has recently learned that on january

11:52

thirty first two thousand and thirteen john

11:54

stewart natal has been attempting to purchase

11:57

potassium nitrate from pharmacies

11:59

in the lower mean

12:00

the theme nitrate that as a common ingredient

12:03

in explosives right

12:04

exactly so it can be used for legit

12:07

reasons there's fertilizer or

12:09

it can be used for some from the bomb and

12:11

it's usually sold under the name salt peter

12:14

but definitely it can be used to make bombs

12:16

so i'm guessing they don't think john was

12:19

planning on doing some gardening

12:20

probably know they suspect is

12:22

going to do something else at it but

12:25

there's still a lot we don't know i

12:27

mean we don't know who wrote this letter

12:30

the signature line is blacked out completely

12:32

and we know how ceases got this

12:34

info on join know

12:36

not at all but we do know

12:38

that he says is looking into and separately

12:40

they've got their own investigation going on

12:43

and they're worried enough to that john and to say

12:45

to the rcmp we think you should

12:47

look into this

12:58

so now john has the attention of the rcmp

13:00

is integrated national security enforcement

13:03

team or in said which handles

13:05

terror investigations in canada they

13:08

start by doing a background check on john

13:10

and hits pretty messy starting

13:13

in nineteen ninety five he wrapped of convictions

13:16

for drugs mischief robbery

13:18

kidnapping and assault he

13:20

was banned from owning guns ammo and

13:22

explosives there's john's

13:25

old roommate from the nineties michael lore

13:27

john was a firm believer that

13:30

piece or something he wanted and he

13:32

can get away with taking it he would

13:34

take it he had a very me a list

13:36

of view of life morality didn't

13:38

enter into it but his

13:40

friends were very dear to him he loved

13:42

his friends he would do anything for israel

13:45

john's former bandmate stephen dreger

13:48

new i'm all the way back to high school

13:50

the was a tall skinny gangly

13:52

do they really mean guitar player though

13:54

and that was there that was the second fresh i got from

13:56

after tall thin and boise play the

13:58

guitar

13:59

he pleaded some local punk metal bands

14:02

in the nineties

14:14

in said starts surveillance operation

14:17

with dozens of officers following john

14:19

around

14:20

one of the first things they figure out that

14:23

is world is pretty small the

14:25

barely weaves a four block radius around

14:27

their basement suite what

14:30

did his regular starts is the shell

14:32

gas station to buy coffee and

14:34

cigarettes

14:36

police also start looking into john's wife

14:39

amanda karate

14:41

the my john she doesn't even have a criminal

14:43

record and she almost never leaves

14:45

the house when she does

14:48

gabi their face within a cobb and islamic

14:50

veil

14:53

the had a few friends in the neighborhood to hang out

14:55

with including ashley will party

14:57

they're super nice people i'm

15:00

amanda is required saw didn't

15:02

talk very much but he john

15:04

did all the talking a little

15:07

more were so sure that kind of way

15:09

out of the city new jersey trapped in auto

15:11

body

15:13

one night john and amanda meet a friend

15:15

at some nearby train tracks the hit the

15:17

ball and fire off some pay ball rounds

15:19

at electrical polls hops

15:22

are lurking in the bushes the whole time

15:26

the massive production investigators

15:28

even tail john's grandma to the grocery

15:31

store

15:33

valentine's day this fledgling

15:36

terror investigation gets a secret code

15:38

name

15:39

project souvenir

15:45

the projects souvenir up and running

15:47

inset pulls out the big guns to bring john

15:50

down

15:51

the whole thing is like a spy thriller complete

15:53

with wiretaps hidden cameras

15:55

and secret microphones all over the place

15:58

it's an absolute mountain

15:59

the surveillance state

16:01

most of which we've been able to get our hands

16:03

on

16:08

i could have killed two hundred and

16:10

twenty five canadian soldiers coming

16:12

back from afghanistan and all

16:14

their families they would have been

16:16

so terrorize they probably would

16:18

never ever goes against

16:20

islam again after that

16:23

though the ball around

16:25

here drive

16:27

everybody has everybody has

16:38

why some

16:40

, who the one to the old

16:43

show sure there's a

16:45

hundred conclusion that that

16:48

not after rotten heard that would be

16:50

repaired only one more

16:53

out of an hour ago however as

16:55

he is hard

16:59

john's wife amanda also becomes a targeted

17:01

the investigation

17:03

he didn't see much but she's there for

17:05

a lot of

17:07

perjury bigamy

17:12

is is a woman

17:13

nearby san

17:16

jose

17:17

the same time john's got a penchant

17:20

for action movies paranoid

17:22

fantasies and elaborate disguises

17:25

hi to dress up like a hockey player

17:28

or of zoc have heard have hard

17:42

did i thought the cops will come in for

17:44

me and and standing there in the news

17:46

normally freeze frame john

17:50

mccain a guy who does a lot of talking

17:53

the gets pretty outlandish the

17:56

police are trying to figure out is how

17:58

likely he and amanda artist follow through

18:00

on that talk and put it into action

18:04

especially ones john settles on a plan

18:07

one that mimics the boston bombers

18:09

using simple homemade pressure cooker

18:11

bombs

18:14

earlier has seized in the boston

18:17

bombings plus the same bomb

18:25

id and peers and this this

18:27

pressure cooker

18:28

i said i will never where the easier

18:30

they give on my mini skirts never

18:33

if the outrageous story of to misfits

18:35

living on the fringes and now

18:37

they became the central players and a sprawling

18:40

terror investigation we just hung

18:42

out and played video games and

18:44

small sweden than what

18:46

we do you know pressure cooker is

18:48

available on the cbc lists and app

18:51

or wherever you get your favorite podcast

19:05

what makes

19:07

pressure cooker bombs so scary aside

19:09

from how deadly they can be that

19:12

anyone can buy nearly all the required

19:14

parents it would be illegal

19:16

for me to tell you how they're made but

19:18

suffice to say you've likely got

19:20

most of what you need to build one around the house

19:23

the question of the actual explosive material

19:26

but battle come later the

19:29

once john and amanda settle on a plan to use

19:31

pressure cookers to carry out their attack

19:33

they settled on a shopping trip to get supplies

19:37

police record the outing and stunning detail

19:42

and it can't leave us that so

19:44

much money to the thousand

19:46

steps john

19:48

, about a thousand dollars on supplies

19:51

we got the real pressure cookers now

19:54

they're all metal construction

19:56

in screwed around you know just

19:59

the same one a boy

20:03

i think police

20:05

record john describing how he plans to

20:07

use o'clock to build the timer we

20:10

take off all the other hand leaves his hand

20:12

right

20:13

then when it gets all around

20:15

the ten it's gonna touch the piece of metal

20:18

closed circuit is gonna send

20:20

a signal from the nine volt

20:22

battery soothe the

20:25

it's this

20:27

the city could be attacker becoming clear

20:30

we're just days away from july first

20:33

canada day

20:37

he take their bomb making supplies to a cheap

20:39

motel and delta not far from vancouver

20:43

this will be the safe house where john assembles

20:45

the bombs

20:47

there's a video of him working away and the motel

20:49

room he , a scarf wrapped

20:51

around his head and face and is wearing

20:53

white latex gloves as he works flew

20:55

around the insides of pressure cookers cookers

21:00

can hear jones wrapping nails into the pot

21:03

the shrapnel amanda

21:06

can be seen lying on the bad movies

21:14

in a computer picking out targets

21:17

but he does help build the bombs john

21:19

tells you to clean different spots where they may have less

21:22

fingerprints the

21:26

table is covered in tools and bomb parts

21:29

the , of making the devices continues

21:32

for three days it very little sleep

21:35

during a break john and amanda watch

21:37

piano this

21:41

is hard to hear over the sound of the tv

21:44

but john foreshadows their attack

21:47

he says the aftermath of be on

21:49

the news within forty eight hours

21:58

did you catch that this

22:00

is going to rock the world

22:02

the whole world is going to hear about this

22:06

johnson they'll be known as al qaeda canada

22:09

the grid agents mujahideen

22:12

the sweepers you've been woken

22:19

the day before canada day they pack of their

22:21

things

22:22

the built three bombs and to timers

22:25

the take a ferry to victoria and settle into

22:28

another hotel

22:31

john and amanda head out to do their final reconnaissance

22:34

the provincial legislature

22:36

has been one of their target since this plot began

22:39

when it's only now that they confirmed their plan

22:43

for , redshirt okay

22:45

is that it

22:52

the legislature is a fortress of copper

22:54

don't sunstone spires topped

22:56

with a golden statue of cats in george

22:58

vancouver john

23:01

, destroying this building is something

23:03

that will be talked about for eternity bookstore

23:06

the written about written

23:08

the alludes to the capitals ties to it's british

23:10

history for a on the british government

23:13

worker

23:20

feeding now on the line and the legislature

23:23

the setup for canada day festivities as

23:25

well underway there are temporary

23:28

fences hands and a mean concert

23:30

stage else people

23:39

are milling around streetlights

23:41

, turned on as the daylight fades

23:44

fades easy to pick john out of a crowd he

23:46

towers over towers and

23:48

he's wearing a straw hat with a hat

23:50

brim the kind of son height

23:52

your grandma might were to the beach amanda

23:56

looks tiny compared to john says

23:58

about says foot shorter and

23:59

mack truck jacket

24:01

she chain smoke cigarettes as they inspect

24:03

the area looking for spots the

24:05

plant bombs which fortunately

24:08

partner

24:27

the couple doesn't get much sleep back at the hotel

24:30

there up at three am and make their way

24:32

to an underground parking garage

24:35

they said the time as in the back of a white cargo

24:37

van for tyler good at one

24:39

o'clock

24:48

they decide the first splash go off and nine

24:50

in the morning

24:51

the second and third bombs would that nice fifteen

24:54

minutes later once first

24:56

responders have arrived at

24:58

work

25:04

when a role to the legislature it's

25:06

five am just before the sunrises

25:10

john jumps out of the van and plants and

25:12

blue duffel bag with to pressure cooker bombs

25:15

in a bush close to the legislature

25:17

the returns to the van wielding a large tonight

25:29

john is the man went back to sleep

25:31

possibly saving his life and

25:33

i had the blade like this ready

25:36

to strike the most demand hit em right stick

25:38

your great and were severed the arteries his dead

25:43

amanda returns after pleading her bomb

25:45

and another bush

25:50

right back and and seven

25:52

down and everything we know

25:55

hopefully

25:57

the whole factor

25:59

the theme

25:59

the branches and put it over

26:02

and covered it is ,

26:05

and it looks natural and and

26:08

can't see it unless you stick your head your okay

26:10

, harsh but the bombs

26:13

are in place and the timers are taking

26:15

the that nice uses

26:17

just i

26:20

needed

26:23

the drive away the adrenalin

26:25

is pumping it feels like

26:27

success

26:30

lot less first lot

26:33

, third the

26:35

deed is been done and there's no turning

26:38

back

26:39

now it's is the matter of making a clean getaway

26:42

waiting for the blasts

26:44

he's gonna be looking for this sounds

26:48

nice

26:49

they were they're going to be located

26:52

every car that has gone by

27:01

when the sun rises over victoria on

27:03

july first john and amanda

27:05

are already long gone the

27:08

day is high in the skies are blue as

27:10

families trickle into the downtown harbor

27:12

freight pretty ,

27:14

the whole area's fussing with people as

27:16

far as the eye can see see

27:19

pressure cooker bombs are scheduled to go off

27:21

at nine in the in salon

27:28

of the legislature has been turned into a turned

27:30

ground bagpipers

27:32

and circus performers bagpipers the streets

27:35

kids with red maple leaves painted on their faces

27:38

wave miniature flags the

27:40

whole place is buzzing with canadian pride

27:46

but at the end of the day

27:50

the explosions that rock victoria

27:59

i just fireworks

28:09

the

28:17

mouth is hop brass stand in front of a flu

28:19

backdrop and whole the fast

28:23

good afternoon and , you

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for being here here july

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first the rcmp arrested

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and charged john stewart not

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all and amanda and for

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terrorism related activities

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including taking steps including field

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and subsequently place explosive

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devices at a predetermined

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location in the predetermined location victoria

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british columbia for the purpose

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of causing death or

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serious model these injuries on

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canada did rcmp

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officers or flanked by large photos of the

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pressure cooker bombs filled with rusty

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nails for shrapnel i

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want to reassure our citizens that

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, all times during the investigation

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investigation primary focus was a

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safety and protection of the of

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while the rcmp believes that

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this thread that real at no

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time was the security

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of the public address

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this is their second big terror bust in

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two months

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the country's top cops aren't

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shy about shooting their own horns we

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detected a threat early and disrupted

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it on behalf of the rcmp

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i want to express or appreciations

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to see says and all our

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partners the press conferences to sound more

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like an award ceremony at this point

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the coming hot on the heels of the boston bombings

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who can blame them

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the news media is quick to notice the similarities

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to boston attack

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what was immediately noticeable and they

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were pressure cooker bombs revenue

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front of the explosive used by the boston

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bombers in april and , not

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where the similarities to the boston bombing and

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the rcmp began investigating the

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to vc suspects in february

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exactly when us investigators

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said the thorn i have brothers began flaunting

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their attack attack rcmp

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said novel and karate were inspired

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by al qaeda that where the sun

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i have and both pairs were self

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radicalized

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the premier british columbia christy clark

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addresses the media on the grounds of the legislature

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the very next day

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what they wanted to accomplish was

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more than just the harm individuals on that

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day what they want to do

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is the same thing that's hair it's want to do all over the

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world and that is rob us of our sense of security

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to

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promise of our sense that this

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hello to us and we cannot

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allow them to succeed in that

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police are vague about how the bomb plot

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was thwarted

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from what we know now

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hops for all over them from the very start

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we were able to control and

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ensure that the devices

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constructed were unable

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to detonate and

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cause harm to other individuals other

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case gets turned over to prosecutors

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and anybody can make and bomb

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what hard to find

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the will that made it

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this is peter eccles who led the prosecution

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against john and amanda

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he's retired now but agreed to talk

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to us about the case

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he still remembers his first impression of the

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couple initial since was

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that

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they were very dangerous

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very easy to

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dismiss and

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remarkably banal

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the level of evil

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they demonstrated

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but for a man his lawyer scott write

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something seemed off

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right had questions even before

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he got involved in the case you

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remember seeing

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news on t v he just don't

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think seemed odd right from the start in

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the way that day and the ceremony still

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was able to go on so immediately thought

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there's more to this story

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john in amanda's defense team eventually

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start to poke holes in the official narrative

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effect in the fullness of time of the evidence

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will come out that might perhaps undermine some

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of what they were suggesting calling into

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question the whole self radicalized east

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and story the push papers perhaps

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v radicalisation was assisted by

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others

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this idea that john and amanda had help

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will become a common theme

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rented a couple come out of the woodwork to defend

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them there's somebody that

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feel in the back of their had

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to do this to this a tumor

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them alone cannot afford this

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he didn't have the money he

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did not transportation he didn't

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have the means and word

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as he gets the knowledge and

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the mentality to do this

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hi with possible how can these

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the sweet couple hurdles

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searching for truth

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do this

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i don't think he was possible

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they couldn't have done this on their own

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they could not

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john family would also stand by the couple

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in front of the tv cameras

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here's his mom and grandmother

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grieving three to have heard

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of we have cable

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alfredo sauce

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he will help

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i know that really sounded

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to say

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really

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the big questions loomed over this case

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like storm clouds like

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how this couple that the explosive material

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to make the bombs they paid

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for all the tools supplies very

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rides in hotel rooms whether

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anyone else help them concoct this ski in

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pull it off the

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answers will be revealed as john and amanda's

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trial unfolds

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there was a case that had problems no doubt

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that doesn't mean you don't run the

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end of the day i still came back to the fact that

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no one

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no one

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this sort of thing

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without meaning

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the from the conversation where john

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and amanda

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we're looking at the prospect of spending the rest

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of their lives in prison break out

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, mom mom

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i have to tell your friends budgetary

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research thousand drive they're

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they're gonna be a lot of bad things about

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me that i wanted to

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know whatever they say i

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did

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there are not and i

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wrote i

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love you

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read it every respect for a long

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a happy tell you something i

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love you unless all she got

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that's john on the phone with me and twenty twenty

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he goes my omar now and

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his wife amanda she goes my anna

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you can when

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hi

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i've been out of it

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over the next four episodes you're

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going here a lot more of john and amanda

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from interviews and more than a hundred

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hours of surveillance tape

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we'll begin to their past the find out what

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made these two who they are and how

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they ended up with their violent worldview we'll

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pick apart every step of this costly

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anti terror operation

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the even the parts police and prosecutors

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didn't wanna jury to see

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we'll try to figure out whether these

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two are indeed dangerous terrorists

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or something else

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entirely

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that's next time on pressure

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cooker

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pressure cooker is written and produced

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by sarah berman rafferty baker

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and me dan pierce mixing

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, sound designed by rafferty baker baker

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jeff turner is our turner producer our

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executive producer is chris oak an

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orphan iranians director of cbc podcasts

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thanks to graham and donald and surround him from

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lonnie

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thanks for listening this

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