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guy here, uh, he, he,

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he's not like Corn Pop. He's

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a good dude. Uh,

2:12

and he's Brian Orr. Yeah,

2:15

that's right. Brian Orr. Hey,

2:18

Brian Orr here live from AHR

2:20

2024. I mean, this

2:22

isn't actually live, but I am recording this live

2:24

ducked away for a couple seconds. I'm

2:28

one of the many conversations that I had

2:30

here at AHR. Hope

2:33

you enjoy. Good morning.

2:35

Tony Gonzalez from Field Peace. Brian, good morning to you. You're

2:37

supposed to say the whole thing. Good morning. Brian

2:40

Orr from HVAC school makes it a little bit more

2:42

official. I mean, that's just, it's just a suggestion. I

2:44

do not get that memo, but morning Brian Orr. You

2:47

didn't read the script. Okay. Good.

2:49

Well, it's good to see you again at AHR. We've made it

2:51

kind of a habit of doing these sorts of things. You've got

2:53

some new stuff this year that I want to talk about, but

2:55

in general, you've got to be able to do it. I mean,

2:57

yeah, it's just a high level. What's going on at Field Peace?

2:59

What's been going down? There's been a lot of good things

3:02

going down at Field Peace. Field Peace has been growing tremendously.

3:04

As you know, I've been with Field Peace since 1998. So

3:07

I've seen it from very, very tiny to

3:09

now where we're at now, which medium

3:12

sized company, I guess you can say, but

3:14

the philosophy, the mentality of developing

3:16

solutions, not really products hasn't changed, which I'm

3:18

happy about. Talk about that for a second.

3:21

Cause that's actually something we've talked about a

3:23

lot. Guys like Jim Bergman and I have

3:25

talked a lot about this. The idea of

3:27

providing solutions versus just building

3:29

tools. What's the mindset there? So

3:32

the mindset is really understanding your customer,

3:34

understanding the HVAC tech, understanding their pain

3:36

points, understanding what is the

3:38

end result that they're trying to get to.

3:42

And when you understand that and you understand

3:44

the variables, you can develop a solution around

3:46

it instead of, Hey, I have

3:48

an idea for this great product. Let me go

3:50

find a problem for it. Or even worse,

3:52

which is just seeing a product that already exists

3:55

in the market and saying, we need one of

3:57

those too. And you'd be

3:59

amazed how often. that is the conversation. Because

4:01

I do talk to manufacturers of tools quite

4:03

often and they'll ask for advice on things.

4:05

And it's always like, I saw

4:07

somebody else do this. And

4:09

so I want one of those. And that isn't

4:11

thinking through the actual solution that you're trying to

4:13

provide. And I've been very impressed

4:15

with Fieldpiece over really probably the last 10

4:18

years. I've seen a real

4:20

shift in thinking about how to solve particular

4:22

problems. Although I will say, even from the

4:24

very beginning, Ray's invention of the

4:26

multimeter that you could use to measure the current

4:28

on the blower with the door closed. A lot

4:31

of people don't realize that, but that was really

4:33

one of the early things that he came up

4:35

with because he was trying to solve a particular

4:37

problem that tech space. That's the thing. And just

4:39

the fact that there was a meter that

4:42

measured microfarads, capacitance. Back

4:44

in the late 80s, technicians had to have

4:46

two or maybe three different meters on them just to

4:48

get the measurements that they needed. And so Fieldpiece was

4:51

founded on that. Fieldpiece was founded on, okay, what's the

4:53

problem? Let's find a solution. And

4:55

thankfully that hasn't changed. So you

4:58

brought today, and I have not seen these yet.

5:00

I literally am coming in completely blind. It's a

5:02

secret. Is it something that you're launching

5:04

here or should it? Actually something that we're launching here.

5:06

Great, okay, because I was worried that maybe I should

5:08

have known about it and now I'm just running out.

5:10

So good, I'm safe. So what is it

5:12

and what are some of the innovations here? So have

5:14

you heard of Milwaukee's

5:16

philosophy of their

5:19

customers aren't buying a drill, they're buying

5:21

a hole? Okay, right.

5:24

So what we are coming out with is

5:28

an unrestricted service port and

5:30

making that task easier, faster and

5:32

better than it's ever been. So it sounds like a

5:34

valve core removal tool. That's exactly what it is. Okay,

5:36

look at that. Valve core removal tool. No, I gotta

5:39

take, that was perfect. Yeah. We

5:42

got assistance from the audience, thank you. Okay,

5:44

so we have a new line of valve

5:46

core removal tools that have some

5:48

pretty sweet innovations in there. Now

5:50

this is great for an audio only

5:52

medium. Well, everybody's gonna get

5:55

a chance to see it anyway. So actually, you know

5:57

what, here, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna really do

5:59

this well. I'm gonna take a picture of it

6:01

as we're speaking. Every way I can post it

6:04

on socials right afterwards. This is great. This

6:06

is even better for an audio podcast. Yeah,

6:08

absolutely. There you go, all right. Taking pictures?

6:10

Yep, absolutely. Yeah, everybody wants to see that.

6:12

Okay, so go on. Okay,

6:14

so I mean, right off the bat, what

6:17

do you see that's different? I mean, I see a

6:19

lot that's different. And so like, I'm trying to pick

6:21

out the differences in between these. This one here is

6:23

the most exotic as you actually have two ball valves

6:25

on it and you have a sight

6:28

glass in it, which is something I've never seen before.

6:30

There's a lot going on here. This is

6:33

a serious tool. So spending

6:35

time with the contractors, training them,

6:37

when I'm training on system evacuation and

6:40

increasing flow, removing valve cores, you always

6:42

get a chuckle when it's like,

6:44

okay, you screw on your VCRT and

6:48

you unscrew your valve core and

6:51

then you pull out the plunger and then you

6:53

play the game of, did I get it?

6:55

Did I get it? Yeah, did I get it? Did I get

6:57

it? Yes or no? And inevitably,

6:59

rarely do they get it the first time. I

7:02

know it takes me a couple of tries

7:04

to actually get the valve core out. So

7:06

the idea for the sight glass is as

7:08

you remove it out, you can

7:10

visually see whether or not you have the

7:13

valve core before you blink

7:15

off and not have to waste time

7:17

of unscrewing and unscrewing back your

7:19

plunger back on. In addition to that, I

7:22

mean, you get the same benefit as you

7:24

would having a sight glass in a digital

7:26

manifold because a lot of people are using

7:28

job link probes or just wireless probes in

7:30

general and charging through that, but

7:32

then you don't really have a sight glass. So this

7:34

also gives you the benefit of seeing the condition of

7:37

the refrigerant, is it liquid, is it vapor, are

7:39

the contaminants or just overall, any benefit you

7:41

would get from a sight glass, you

7:44

would also get that here in the valve core

7:46

removal tool plus the benefit of

7:48

seeing, did I get the valve

7:50

core? Yeah, and for me, I think for

7:52

somebody who's new to using a VCRT, this

7:54

is the problem with a lot of tools,

7:56

especially in a business, it's like you

7:58

can master it. it yourself.

8:01

But it's quite another thing to hand it to one of

8:03

your technicians or an apprentice and say, okay, now use

8:05

this. And so that sight glass

8:07

is really great for that because like you said,

8:09

so often, especially newer techs, they

8:11

really struggle to get that core and there's all these

8:14

little tricks that you got to do. On a side

8:16

note story, I got to give Jim Bergman a little

8:18

shout out here because we were doing a video together

8:20

out of my place. I'll be darn I could just

8:22

not get the stupid core out of this particular piece

8:25

of equipment. He does it the first time. He's like,

8:27

dude, I mean, aren't you like 150 years

8:29

old, you shouldn't be able to do this, but I digress. I

8:31

always got to rib Jim a little bit. That's

8:33

a great innovation. Besides the fact that it's just there's

8:36

something visceral about being able to see like a sight

8:38

glass is just a nice thing to have just to

8:40

see what's going on. I really also like

8:42

the build on it. It's just like an aluminum, the main

8:44

body here feels like it just has a really nice feel

8:46

to it. I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

8:48

just a nice looking tool. I also like this,

8:50

which is it's got the knurled knob on it

8:52

because this is another thing that's a real pain

8:54

in the butt whenever you're using a VCRT. So

8:56

it is. So here you have

8:58

a pre tensioner, right? So it's

9:01

going to help fight back against some of the

9:03

pressure that's coming back from the system as you

9:05

unscrew. But inevitably when you use a VCRT, you

9:07

have to do two things with your hands. Number

9:10

one, you have to push, push

9:12

down, right? And this way as you're trying

9:14

to twist, right? So you're kind of fighting

9:17

yourself as you twist there. But on these

9:19

two models, we have this comfort spinner. That's

9:21

a free spinning thing. So as you apply the pressure

9:24

here, it free spins, just free spin. It reminds me

9:26

of like the little Klein screwdrivers with the spinning top

9:28

for thermostats and that kind of thing. Yeah, that's the

9:30

feel. So sorry, I keep digressing with these stupid stories,

9:32

but I remember the first time I used one of

9:35

those, I used to always use the ones that you

9:37

got from the distributor that had the just the little

9:39

white one with the pocket clip on it, the thermostats

9:41

and even then even the flat blade was too big. In

9:43

a lot of cases, it's annoying. It's like you get these

9:45

new thermostats and they have the tiny terminals. The first time

9:48

I got one of those, it's like the whole world opened

9:50

up to me. So like now this is going to be,

9:52

I think that Eureka moments, man, this is a lot easier

9:54

to get this sucker out. Yeah. So,

9:57

and then Like, I Know you're going to appreciate

9:59

this because we've seen. Your training videos on

10:01

this but. Having a ball

10:03

valve integrated? Yup, aside for it right

10:05

there. Gay. So. Much. Easier

10:07

nicely. Yeah, the Audi like I as use.

10:09

There's actually several reasons why it's useful but

10:12

there's the primary one that's very evident as

10:14

the migrants you connect and my grandkids to

10:16

at you have some my friend gauges that

10:18

do okay with pressure but especially when you're

10:20

dealing with refrigerated the potential of any well

10:22

you get that on the censored I'm is

10:24

theoretically and I've had these conversations a lot

10:26

sorry I was go to the even the

10:28

stuff but steer radically to there's no flows

10:30

through the micro engage is you shouldn't actually

10:32

have any contamination, but if you've ever seen

10:34

what happens when you hit a micro engage

10:36

with any refrigerant. Thing just goes crazy and again

10:38

it's another one of these things that when you

10:41

have a process that has to have nuance to

10:43

it. Makes. Well you know

10:45

in this case that in this case this you

10:47

try to he and that to a new technician.

10:49

they're just gonna screw it up and get all

10:51

confused. Said this just helps remove that because now

10:53

you can just velvet Often Eurasia, Remove the charge

10:55

valve off the micron gauge, release the charge and.

10:58

Bob's. Your uncle? that so. Interesting

11:00

about of what is it that it sickness in

11:03

does Now what they do now is a expose

11:05

them aggregates referred. That's really what happened my. Best.

11:08

Practice up to now would be and

11:10

what I've taught and what I've seen

11:13

other people teach his well you can

11:15

add a second bout core mobile tool

11:17

to that for that sideboard that's right

11:19

or of all valve next to the

11:21

baba or. A ball foul

11:23

video which you could do that now and

11:25

that's great. But. Have you make

11:27

that better? Well when you add a connection

11:30

you are adding a potentially point right number

11:32

one year set up and number two you

11:34

just making your to physically larger. The up

11:36

and spaces sometimes at a premium on these

11:38

service for itself. Just having the ball valve

11:41

integrated directly into that siport resolve those issues

11:43

and it just helps them do their job.

11:45

You know, easier, faster, better him. So when

11:47

you thought about all of these are these

11:50

good, better, Best. Or do they have some

11:52

different utilities? Yes so you can define them

11:54

as good, better, Best. So the first one.

11:56

Is the Fcc one, so that's

11:58

the single valve. Vouch.

12:01

for removal tool and this is most

12:03

like. Other. Valve for a mobile tools

12:05

are in the market if you need the smallest.

12:08

Most. Compact valve for mobile tool to be

12:10

able to fit in to get that out

12:12

for him. then. This. Is the guy

12:14

you? It's yeah I'm as so you said exactly

12:16

what I was thinking when I saw this. See,

12:18

I would still probably have both. I would probably

12:20

have this one and then them. nice one. Really

12:22

fancy once because there are going to be some

12:24

cases where some of those remi units are some

12:27

zoe like he just don't have space sort of

12:29

rag on ring there but sometimes you just don't

12:31

have space this guy's gonna do sometimes. be tough

12:33

and said when you have both for example, when

12:35

you are pulling a vacuum this is gonna be

12:37

really good because of the reasons that you just

12:39

mentioned. this is going to be the ones that

12:41

you want but even with this basic one. You.

12:44

Still have the advantage of this really nice

12:46

larger kind of neural design Where it's not

12:48

just doesn't just have the cross hatch on

12:50

it. It also has these groups which if

12:53

you feel this and everybody sues your encouragement

12:55

and the can feel it's it's just a

12:57

much better feel. There's little ones that are

12:59

just they just feel kinda difficult. So yeah

13:01

lots of like even about tomorrow and is.

13:04

There. Was also thought into very very

13:06

small aspects of this. so if you

13:08

notice the ball valve the actual fab

13:10

itself. It is very small. And.

13:13

So when you turn it doesn't have the me

13:15

bar and or right right right around, right up

13:17

against the wall of a riot or just something

13:19

like that. I mean. There. Was

13:21

a lot of thought that went into actually

13:23

solving issues that are currently out there in

13:26

the sale with the buff com over tools.

13:28

Also nice thing about the lineup is the

13:30

city right here. This. Is a quarter

13:32

and city. And. This is replaceable

13:34

or swappable. With. The five sixty in

13:36

spitting on the seem to us on the same tool

13:39

so then you won't need to be c or to.

13:41

And. Or you won't need to

13:44

screw on of five Sixty. Instead it

13:46

onto your adapter right when they

13:48

may say longer Yeah right. This just

13:50

unscrew that out of his the

13:52

it's. Gasket. It with an Oregon

13:54

or that stuff so the still maintain the ceo

13:57

of vacuum rated down to twenty microns obviously screwed

13:59

on, squandered by sick. The. And.

14:01

Don't say obviously. Very girl that is still

14:03

the I run into this all the time

14:05

and this is just anybody who thinks that

14:07

I'm my own contracting company. Everybody just listens

14:09

to all of my words with bated breath

14:11

and despise the tools. I suck. My trust

14:13

me it is not how it is. It's

14:15

like a profit is unwelcome in his own

14:18

hometown. It's that kind of thing. And I

14:20

get new tax sinuses who are always buying

14:22

bcr to easily by off amazon or they

14:24

get the cheapest will make and gets. And

14:26

like all those things think they don't work

14:28

at all. nothing will to vacuum. It's like

14:30

you gotta get one. That was specifically. Designed

14:32

to hold under vacuum as his. and then I

14:34

give him a two hour speech and then for

14:36

some reason they don't like me. I don't know

14:38

why this happens in Southern any to learn, but

14:41

anyway, it's not obvious that they hold down the

14:43

that level. Most Vcr cheese on the market still

14:45

today do not. and so it's really see that

14:47

it doesn't match us Billie to that level. Absolutely.

14:50

So. Here you have a good contact. You.

14:52

Step up to the easy ones. He says

14:55

a single valve with a psych class and

14:57

other senses they're talking about and then it's

14:59

just want the actual best of the best

15:01

and you step up to the Vc to

15:03

g. And. That's basically to valve

15:05

and Genius for the Odyssey Said

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16:06

Say let's talk a little bit now about more. First

16:08

off, I just want to thank you for keeping me

16:11

in the dark on this the whole time. I'm glad

16:13

to see that you trust me, that's very much appreciated.

16:15

Walk off as which consists in stock a little bit

16:17

about what you doing on the training side because you

16:19

are doing a lot and seen a lot of really

16:22

great results from that yes a woman people don't know

16:24

as up until three years ago feel peace did not

16:26

have a training department you know, like a mess and

16:28

bills he'll be twenty plus years shipping. receiving a quality

16:30

product testing is in Erie and three years ago I

16:32

started our training. Hard to. Sort. Of

16:34

every high level we train distributors of off

16:37

each the benefits and we train contractors mostly

16:39

technicians and contractors. I had a user tools

16:41

and how to help them do their job.

16:43

Is your peloton better? It's and one of

16:45

the way that we do that is we

16:48

are Selfish University and Selfish University is our

16:50

online learning resource. Were technicians can go sign

16:52

up everything free. Many of our classes have

16:54

any credits on there but just basically learn

16:57

best practices on how to do different tasks.

16:59

On the job this year. Thankfully I'm going to

17:01

have more time freed up dead. Generate

17:03

more and more training videos. Minutes of his

17:05

university says you know content is king him

17:08

when she creates a beast you gotta feed

17:10

the beast awesomely in. As like our children

17:12

they never stopped getting hundred physicists. Trust me

17:14

trust me I know I have three refrigerators

17:16

and my so it never ends Know it's

17:18

true. Concentration is at a lot of credit

17:20

you for doing as much of it as

17:23

you have been. It's great to see the

17:25

focus on. It's so. We're. Going a

17:27

product more medicine the end. But if people want

17:29

to find out about jobs university, where do they

17:31

go for that? Yes, Are you

17:33

just basically search Feel Peace University. It's

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on the blue both Lms learning plot

17:37

of our butts just searched up as

17:39

university it'll be the first one on

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their while Google. Yes it'll Google Google

17:43

Yeah. Last. Month we released

17:45

a training track on combustion analysis

17:48

own I So a training track

17:50

is basically like book. and

17:52

there's different chapters within the buzzers basically guide

17:54

are learning now because this is my i

17:56

can speak a little negatively on it one

17:58

of the downsides are some University right now

18:02

is there are plenty of training

18:04

courses but there's no really

18:06

guided learning on what should I

18:08

do and so now we're moving

18:10

more towards these training tracks where

18:12

they are sequence training courses that

18:14

follow down a path to get

18:16

an application done. So this training

18:18

track on combustion analysis is a

18:20

series of seven training courses that

18:22

walks you through turning on your

18:24

combustion analyzer from outside all

18:26

the way to generating your report at

18:28

the end of the job. And so

18:31

show on the best practices on how

18:33

to maintain your combustion analyzer, where to

18:35

take measurements, all that fun stuff and

18:37

it's free and it's got new credits to it. If

18:39

those that are so inclined for the new

18:41

credits can get that but yeah we're

18:44

just really excited about it. It's gotten a lot

18:46

more traffic than what I had anticipated previously and

18:48

so it's really great

18:50

to see many manufacturers

18:53

but especially field piece like you said

18:55

focusing on the application. The technician

18:57

in the field what did they need

18:59

to know in order to do their job more

19:01

successfully in order to serve their clients in order

19:03

to also do it efficiently. I mean that's a

19:05

huge factor. That's where we saw things really blow

19:07

up with vacuum. As soon as we started showing

19:09

everybody hey you can do it quicker you

19:12

can get a better result and you can

19:14

actually save money through this process. This actually

19:16

translates to something that really matters to the

19:18

contractor so it's really smart really helpful. All

19:21

right final topic, A2Ls. I'm going to be

19:23

real honest I have A2L fatigue right now,

19:25

mildly flammable refrigerant fatigue or I have mild

19:28

fatigue for flammable I don't know

19:30

because we're just talking about it so so much but

19:32

the tool side is something a lot of people are

19:34

interested in. So talk about that a little bit. What

19:36

do people need to know about tools and A2Ls and

19:38

what it means to be safe as you're working with

19:41

them? So I

19:43

get the A2L fatigue because I'm constantly talking

19:45

about it but what helps me

19:47

feel better about it is there are still so

19:49

many people that have no idea what is going

19:51

on. We think our

19:54

voices reach everybody but they don't actually reach

19:56

everybody right and so constantly I'm coming across

19:58

people but the biggest question I get

20:00

when it comes to A2L and tools are, Tony,

20:02

do I have to throw all my tools away

20:05

and purchase all new set of tools, right?

20:08

And some of them are hoping that they have to

20:10

because some of us are tool addicts, so. Well, I

20:12

give two answers. First, I put on my salesman hat.

20:14

Yes, you absolutely have to throw away all your tools

20:17

and buy a new recovery machine, a vacuum pump, a Nestman,

20:19

driving probes, all that fun stuff. Right, and you also have

20:21

to speak to our wives after we spend all that money.

20:23

That's part of the deal too. Yes. You offer that service,

20:25

okay. You have to provide a solution to the problem that

20:27

we have. So I think, yeah, good, anyway. But

20:30

in reality, that is not the case.

20:33

Most tools that are manufactured anywhere in

20:35

the past five years or something like

20:37

that are pretty much already compatible and

20:39

safe to use with these mildly flammable

20:42

refrigerants. But from

20:44

a liability standpoint, and because of ASHRAE

20:46

standards 15.2 that are

20:48

on all these A2Ls, what a contractor or

20:50

technician needs to be certain

20:52

of is that the tool that

20:55

they are using is actually from

20:57

the manufacturer stated that it is

20:59

compatible to use with A2L

21:01

refrigerants. So if there's any doubt, then you

21:03

just go to your manufacturer of your vacuum

21:05

pump or your manifold or just whatever the

21:07

case may be and just confirm that they

21:09

declare that it is A2L

21:11

compatible. And then from a liability standpoint, you

21:13

should be okay in the field.

21:15

But on the fill piece side, yeah, pretty much

21:17

anything that is relevant is A2L

21:20

compatible. We list down here, A2L

21:22

compatible. There are no electronics

21:25

or anything that can spark or heat up,

21:28

but you will constantly get that question.

21:30

Are your valve cores A2L compatible? And

21:33

all that stuff. But yes, vacuum pumps, recovery

21:35

machines, manifold, job link probes,

21:38

scales, all that. Anything

21:40

that fill piece that you would use that's

21:42

related to A2L, we say that it's

21:44

A2L compatible. So the advice is, if you got a

21:47

tool you wanna know, go to the

21:49

manufacturer and get that certainty. But when

21:51

you think about the tools that really matter,

21:53

I think recovery machine is probably the biggest

21:55

one. That's the one that you're actually running

21:57

a significant amount of refrigerant through it. People

22:00

will bring up a vacuum pump. Well, you could have a

22:02

little bit of vapors like yeah but also if you look

22:04

at how flammable a 2ls really are and then this goes

22:07

down to the Education part where most

22:09

technicians who you talk to still believe well, I think it's

22:11

got a little bit of propane in it It's like no,

22:13

it doesn't have propane in it. It's not the same R290

22:16

is not the same flammability that we're gonna see in

22:18

a 2ls not that you don't need to be careful

22:20

because you do And I'm certainly not

22:22

talking down anybody who has fears about it But really

22:25

your recovery machine is the big one then maybe

22:27

a digital manifold or digital probes That that question

22:29

comes up could that potentially be an ignition source

22:31

and then maybe a vacuum pump but beyond that

22:34

Yeah, the VCT is I guess if they leaked

22:36

that could be a problem But anything can leak

22:38

if you use it improperly so it's

22:40

more about field practices than it is about the particular

22:42

tool I would say basically at the end

22:45

of the day I've done joint training with

22:47

Don Galis over at camo and things like

22:49

that and the main message that we try

22:51

to teach technicians when it comes to these

22:53

A2l systems and in refrigerants are

22:55

two things one if you're

22:57

already following best practices in the industry when

22:59

it comes to recovery Vacuum and

23:01

charging and all that stuff. There's very little that

23:03

you actually have to change in your day to

23:06

day Yeah, now if you aren't number

23:08

one, you should be right, but number

23:10

two This is just another reason to actually get

23:12

more towards the best practices and the second is

23:14

just kind of what we already talked about You

23:16

just want to make sure that your tool is

23:18

declared compatible with a 2ls. So it's a CYA

23:21

Yeah, yeah And that's what a

23:23

lot of the business owners concern and the

23:25

technicians concern and distributors concern There's a lot

23:27

of different buckets of things that they're concerned

23:29

about depending on their level of exposure And

23:32

there are real questions I never want to

23:34

sound dismissive because there are things like all

23:36

right Can you use an existing line set

23:38

if it's running through the occupancy? There's interesting

23:40

questions like that that certainly do matter and

23:42

are a little more complicated. But for the

23:44

field technician Make sure that your

23:47

tools are that the manufacturer says they're good to go

23:49

follow best practices and you're probably going to be fine

23:52

But it is something to watch out for and be completely

23:54

clear on Also, I Just

23:56

want to give you credit. You've done such a good

23:58

job you personally but also feel peace. Are

24:00

being collaborative with the industry him? you

24:02

see this more and more he talked

24:04

about during classes with Dawn Morse Koblenz

24:06

Been very involved ask over of obviously

24:08

has been very involved with a lot

24:10

of things. Everybody's getting so much more

24:12

willing to communicate so that way we

24:14

don't have all of these different. Voices.

24:17

Saying different things and I think that's actually

24:19

been. Really? Nice for this transition

24:21

for the industry. There's obviously strictly on the

24:23

regulatory side. plenty that we can criticize on

24:26

the field, but at least the industry is

24:28

really coming together because if you remember when

24:30

for ten A became the standard refrigerant, it

24:32

was just absolute chaos. Everybody was saying different

24:35

staff to some degree Is there still challenges

24:37

now? but at least the industry from all

24:39

these different players is coming together Saying this

24:41

is what you need to pay attention to.

24:44

Every Mother People that know a lot more than

24:46

I do with there are a lot of. This.

24:49

Transition from for Ten A to it's

24:51

Your Refrigerants is a lot more simple

24:53

than it was From twenty to to

24:55

Fourteen A right? Because we're not talking

24:57

about different pressures from a very similar,

25:00

we're not talking about hugely different oils.

25:02

Oils are very, very similar. There's just

25:04

a minor nuances that you wanna make

25:06

sure that you pay attention to. And

25:08

oh, yams, For. Their equipment are

25:11

actually putting all of this information

25:13

into their install manuals into their

25:15

mates manual. So. We. Should it's

25:17

as use those as knee pads anymore

25:19

we should actually look and see like

25:21

what are the differences that I need

25:23

to consider when I'm installing are surfacing

25:25

system with an A to wear refrigerants,

25:27

one of them being mitigation devices that

25:29

something that I'm. Pretty. New for

25:32

most agnes area and that contractors. but

25:34

all the information there and yourself a

25:36

favor and educate ourselves. Going to your

25:38

point I can't tell you. And

25:41

we're getting a little far afield or the

25:43

original topic here, but I can't tell you

25:45

how many times my entire class. With.

25:47

Our internal savages okay, where can read the main

25:49

altogether and they all roll their eyes like all

25:51

my gosh as the most boring thing ever. But

25:54

every time we do it we learn like twenty

25:56

things. It's incredible how many times you pick up

25:58

something or sometimes you find things that are income

26:00

and that happened a lot to and then stick

26:02

it to have a phone conversation with the manufacturer.

26:05

We decide that haven't recently but either way it's

26:07

very valuable. It's really useful to do that and

26:09

that's one of the the biggest pieces of advice

26:11

that I would give, especially the contractor. Is.

26:14

Don't just tell. Your. Technicians and

26:16

your employees Read the manual. Work.

26:18

With them through it worked through it with them

26:20

and especially if you're in front of the particular

26:23

devices are talking about. if you can get one

26:25

and stick it out the box before it's going

26:27

to go on the field and and just walk

26:29

through it because this is something that this year

26:31

I'm really talking a lot about which is as

26:33

idea of he go in humility, professional pride and

26:35

personal humility have the humility. To. Actually

26:38

understand yourself before you go to

26:40

your tech and say. This. Read

26:42

the manual and simple right is so boring, right?

26:44

Nobody wants to do it. but if you're not

26:46

willing to do it, then you're not demonstrating to

26:48

team. That. Same willingness and if you do

26:50

that, you're going to know a lot about a

26:52

to else. You're gonna learn so much it's incredible

26:54

how often. People. Will go up to

26:56

one of my tax or when a guy says really

26:59

good and I'll say how did you know that? How

27:01

did you get a secret wisdom and aside know I

27:03

just read the manual. That's all I did is reddit

27:05

and walk through it and work through it and

27:07

that's going to be used to safety. Easy to also.

27:10

And. Frankly, most people come into this

27:12

trade to avoid having to read stuff

27:14

anyways so had escaped with so yeah

27:16

you have to. It's senses tell someone

27:18

just read the manual right. read it

27:20

with them, make it a social on

27:22

attacked oh experience for sure. So. They.

27:24

Set up the deserts are Tsm and

27:26

that at the bottom with me. As

27:30

it read the fantastic manual with me with

27:32

right? right? Yeah, Absolutely. Research at Iso. Three

27:34

things we covered. We covered the new V

27:36

C R T line that I was completely

27:38

unaware of and has been released at the

27:40

show. I get to see a first year

27:42

as well. These things like really, really cool.

27:44

They. have features i didn't even think about

27:46

honestly that i think we'll make it a

27:48

lot easier to use them we talked about

27:50

seal beach university so literally just google feel

27:53

peace university or he always go to your

27:55

political sophie's.com and i told my the main

27:57

website you can find links they are and

27:59

then also A2Ls. When in doubt, check it

28:01

out with the manufacturer to see if what

28:03

you already have is able to

28:05

be used. In most cases, it sounds like it

28:08

is if you've got good quality fieldpiece tools at

28:10

least for the plug there. Yeah, that's

28:12

pretty much it I think. Anything else?

28:14

Yeah, so if anybody wants more information

28:16

on fieldpiece, obviously go to fieldpiece.com. Follow

28:19

us on the social media channels at

28:21

fieldpieceproducts.com. Throughout the show today, we are

28:23

at S9334, I believe. I hope I'm

28:25

not sending you on a wild goose

28:28

chase. But myself and my training team

28:30

are having micro training classes through your day at

28:32

11, at 12, and at

28:34

1 o'clock. So stop by if you want

28:36

a quick 15-minute refresher or just some great

28:38

on best practices for airflow, for refrigerant charge,

28:40

for evacuation, for recovery. We have a schedule.

28:42

Check it out, combustion analysis. I believe we

28:45

have you coming later on in the week

28:47

too. I am. I'm going to be there.

28:49

I'm going to be there. It's going to

28:51

be fun. So yeah, it's scheduled. Another absolutely

28:53

random fact is that Tony and I were

28:55

both big fans of the Jim Roam radio

28:57

show back in the 90s. So if

28:59

we make any weird references that don't make

29:02

any sense to you, it's probably related to

29:04

that. Jim Roam fans. Come on. Anybody? Anybody?

29:06

A couple? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff.

29:08

Yeah. Welcome to the jungle. There we go.

29:10

Right. Awesome. And then I just have

29:12

to mention before we wrap up here, one

29:15

of my inspirations, one of the people who

29:17

was kindest to me early on in HVAC

29:19

school, Dan Hollihan is here, author of Pumping

29:21

Away and many other things, founder of heatinghelp.com.

29:23

So glad you're here, Dan. So good to

29:25

see you. Awesome to have you here. Thank

29:27

you, Tony. Thank you, Brian. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks

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