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layers of mystery, dark tales

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and cheeky folklore. Annie

1:13

Palmer's story is a legendary

1:16

Jamaican roller coaster ride set

1:18

in the eerily beautiful Rose

1:20

Hall Great House, just a

1:22

stone's throw from Montego Bay.

1:25

Have the history books got it twisted?

1:29

Was she truly a broom-riding

1:31

mistress of the dark arts

1:34

or just a misunderstood plantation owner

1:36

wrapped in tragic tales? Buckle

1:39

up as we unravel

1:41

the mysteries, myths and mirthful

1:44

moments of one of

1:46

Jamaica's most captivating legends. Tune

1:49

in and get ready to be spellbound with

1:51

us on Hysteria 51. They

1:54

say I'm disturbed. From

1:56

city to city, an incredible hysterical panic

1:58

spread. I'm here, Gary. Please

2:03

pull that clutch! This

2:05

is Gary. You can't handle

2:07

the truth! Spring is gone.

2:10

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2:14

The truth is out there. It's

2:16

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2:18

won't find it here. They're coming for you.

2:22

Look, there comes one of them now. Welcome

2:25

in History Nation!

2:29

To an episode on History 51 that

2:31

takes place. Um... I've

2:34

seen it in my notes. Cbot, where does

2:36

this take place? Right near the

2:38

beach. Boi!

2:43

You got damn right it does. I'm

2:46

David Flora, you've been hand. Yo! Sorry, I'm

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3:00

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3:02

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3:06

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3:11

matter. Or just

3:13

piss off David Flora. His

3:15

chud. Chronoharmonic unification device. Whatever.

3:18

Yeah, whatever's right in. He

3:20

brought us some... well, he brought back

3:22

some undesirables to the show. Left Florida

3:25

babysit the spawn of Goforth, which is

3:27

everyone's nightmare. And promptly had

3:29

his stolen... like Tesla

3:32

on his deathbed by some of the men

3:34

in black types as you will. That

3:37

pretty much brings it up to speed, right? I mean,

3:39

that sounds right to me. Yeah, right? All

3:41

part of the plan. Yeah, you already said

3:43

that. You will see. You will all see.

3:45

Unless I get bored. Noted. Back

3:47

to that beach drop from before.

3:50

Booooiiiiiiieeeeee. Ha ha ha ha. We

3:53

are headed to sunny, beautiful Jamaica today, and

3:55

my wife actually just got back from there

3:57

a few days ago. See you

3:59

as well. there with her mom for 10 days

4:03

and I was here slaving away

4:05

for the man as always David

4:07

Flores I'm sorry Dave Flores is

4:09

the man that I'm referring to

4:12

familiar but

4:14

we are diving into Jamaica in

4:17

the witchy world of Annie Palmer

4:19

never trust in Annie that's what you

4:21

always say right David that's that's your yeah

4:24

that's the words I live by

4:28

boy if I if there was one name

4:30

to not marry into yeah

4:32

yeah just you need to

4:34

learn more than on quiz

4:36

quiz bang bang with the

4:38

host non Annie Palmer maybe

4:42

an Annie fluoride or whatever she

4:44

goes by these days your friends

4:46

Jamaica you ever been to the

4:48

no I know Jamaica anywhere

4:50

in the Caribbean

4:53

really really I'm also

4:55

you know you use the word Caribbean

4:57

instead of Caribbean or any other the

5:00

thousand pronunciations that I interchange

5:03

ad nauseam so that's

5:06

fun I don't know

5:08

if it's correct or not but from

5:11

my from what my understanding of it it

5:14

comes from the Carib tribe oh that

5:16

that lives around there they were the

5:19

native native Americans and Islanders

5:21

around that area so I always try

5:23

to just go with Caribbean there you

5:26

go using fucking science and

5:28

knowledge no one asked

5:30

you to I don't I

5:32

actually I haven't asked any of them if that's

5:35

correct we haven't been there too I understand why

5:37

we do go we go about

5:39

every year her and her mom went and it is

5:41

so I've been all over the Caribbean

5:45

and we've been to a lot of the places and

5:47

I gotta tell you Jamaica is from

5:49

my money the nicest people just

5:52

they're super nice you know the weather is kind of

5:54

the same no matter where you go but there they're

5:56

just they're super bubbly and you

5:58

know they have their own You know, they speak

6:00

their patois on the side, which is

6:03

fun. You know, we were kind of making fun of some

6:05

of that in the beginning, but it is fun

6:07

that they have their own dialects and stuff. And

6:10

it's a hodgepodge of other

6:12

languages, you know, all put together. It's a

6:14

lot of fun, and it's a

6:16

gorgeous place, and Montego Bay happens to be

6:18

where we usually go every time. Nice.

6:21

You're taking your advice from the old beach

6:23

boys. Yeah, boys.

6:27

If I was in Jamaica, and, well,

6:29

that sounds about right. Why

6:32

would I be wearing this hat? A lot

6:34

of mercy. I

6:36

feel like Jamaicans have the

6:39

most tolerance of white dudes like

6:41

us doing that action. Yeah. They're

6:43

like, oh, Jesus Christ. And that's,

6:45

you know, it's not saying much.

6:48

The bar's not that high, but

6:50

they are very kind. Yeah. You

6:53

know? Yeah. They can

6:55

say whatever they want. That's why. He's

6:57

like, yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

7:01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

7:03

Yeah. Wow. Another

7:06

coconut, please. There you go. That's how

7:08

it goes. Anyway, we're not here to talk

7:10

about the people per se. We're talking about a

7:12

white person, the white witch of Rose Hall.

7:16

Not to be confused with any Hall, any

7:18

Palmer. Very different

7:20

story. Or the brown lady of Rainham Hall.

7:22

Yeah. I wish. I

7:24

wish that like, why is there somebody be the

7:26

red, the white woman of this and the red

7:29

woman of that and the Brown stain of blah,

7:31

blah, blah. Yeah.

7:33

What'd you say? The,

7:35

the black pot, the

7:38

black pot, the fracked of our scenario hall.

7:42

That's what's coming up soon. I'm the show

7:44

to Mike your calendars. Uh,

7:47

so this is the story of

7:50

the Woot Woot Annie Palmer. And

7:53

this should come as no surprise, but a

7:56

Palmer's origins are clouded in mystery with

7:59

various accounts. providing conflicting

8:01

information because I don't know

8:03

if you know this, but records back in the

8:05

day fucking sucked, you know, uh,

8:08

quite a bit. And then you, you

8:10

get all this legends and stories

8:12

and stuff and it becomes murky

8:15

on top of murky on top of murky, you

8:17

know, so, but let's talk the

8:20

story. That's passed around what people

8:22

say, um, is, you know, what was

8:24

her life and the curse and all the things. So we're going to

8:26

break it down a little bit. We're going to do this in a

8:28

couple of different ways, but first, we're going to talk about, according

8:32

to this legend and according to it, she

8:34

was born in England in the early 19th

8:36

century and was sent to Haiti as a

8:38

child because of some wondrous

8:42

reason, uh, where she learned to

8:44

voodoo practices for her nanny as

8:46

you do. Uh,

8:48

we need to send this hated it. Hey,

8:51

hey, hey, some

8:55

versions of the tale suggest that Annie was

8:57

a mixed race heritage, adding

8:59

layers of complexity to her

9:02

identity and experiences, especially if she was

9:04

a slave owner, but they

9:06

called her the white witch. So we're just going to go with that because I

9:09

tend to think she was probably just a evil

9:11

white fucking broad. So, or not evil

9:13

at all, as we're going to find out it's

9:15

probably more the case. But Hey, that's, that's

9:18

a, you know, putting the cart before the horse. This

9:21

short, sorry, if I spoiled

9:23

that. Hey,

9:26

it's okay. Sure.

9:29

The sweet of it is that, uh, miss Palmer, Annie

9:31

arrived in Jamaica at a young age. She

9:34

eventually married John Palmer, the owner of

9:36

Rose Hall plantation. So it's not just

9:38

a clever name. And,

9:41

uh, it's a state of mind. Yeah. Rose

9:44

Hall was a sprawling estate with a

9:46

dark history as they tend to have

9:48

built on the backs of enslaved. Yeah,

9:51

not really enslaved Africans forced to work

9:53

in the sugar cane fields. So par

9:55

for the course at that time in

9:57

human Fox stain history. Bingo. Really? He's

10:00

spot on. It's a gorgeous area.

10:03

So I've passed the, I've never

10:05

done the tour because we always

10:07

have something going on. Well, you keep saying

10:09

we're going to do it, but the

10:11

plantation, everything, you know, the grounds, everything

10:14

is just gorgeous, you know. And

10:18

Andy's tenure at Rose Hall, well, it's, if

10:22

you believe the story, it's marked by

10:24

tales of cruelty, intrigue, violence. You

10:27

know, you can make up stuff for a

10:29

necromancy, you know, parcheesi. I mean, you can

10:31

say it and people go, yep, that's

10:33

how it goes. The recording

10:35

shares. Hi, we're here to

10:38

show you the ghost, but first we'd

10:40

like you to watch a short, short

10:43

video. Two hour video. So

10:48

according to local folklore, she was

10:50

a practitioner of dark magic. So

10:52

it was ever a practitioner of

10:54

light magic that gets remembered. And

10:57

I still had about that, but she

10:59

was supposedly doing voodoo rituals, wielding

11:02

her powers, paying control

11:04

over the plantation and its

11:06

inhabitants and not

11:08

just for fun and giggles. So

11:12

that's where we separate the poo poo from the yayays

11:14

or whatever you want to call it. And

11:16

supposedly she murdered her husbands and lovers

11:19

as well as countless slaves as you

11:21

do using poison,

11:23

witchcraft and other nefarious

11:25

means, because those are frowned upon even

11:28

in today's day and

11:30

age, witchcraft.

11:34

It sounds a lot like, what's

11:38

the one in New Orleans, the Larlie

11:41

mansion or whatever the man or warrior?

11:43

Oh, yeah, because far

11:46

be it from them to have to come up with

11:48

new stories all the time when they had to, you

11:51

know, shit on some woman. Hey, she was a woman

11:53

and she ended up owning land. Well, obviously she was

11:55

eagle. Eagle. She was an

11:57

eagle. She's a shifter.

12:00

Yeah, right? I mean, that's just kind of the

12:02

way it goes, man. Like, well, the man

12:04

died and she kept going. Let's

12:07

really shit on that, you know? Or not. Maybe

12:09

she was. I mean, women tend to be evil.

12:11

I know if you ask

12:14

my diary. Anyway, a night of

12:16

terror was... purportedly

12:18

came to an end when she was murdered

12:20

in her sleep by one of her enslaved

12:23

lovers, or by a

12:25

vengeful slave seeking justice for atrocities

12:27

she committed. You know, that

12:29

one's a choose your own adventure. We're going to get into that more.

12:32

And of course, because this is H-51, despite

12:34

her death, her spirit is said to haunt

12:36

Rose Hall to this day, with

12:38

numerous reports of paranormal activity and ghostly sightings.

12:41

I'm hoping that we can get Pecker

12:44

to go down there with his Ouija board and just

12:46

taunt her like he did. Come

12:49

on, you pussies. Move and I dare you. But

12:55

that'll have to be at a later date. So,

12:57

you know, that's the short and the sweet. If we're going

12:59

to break down, we're going to break down her life, things

13:03

she's accused of, and try to sort

13:05

fact from fiction. It is hard, but

13:07

we're going to tell you both sides of the

13:09

coin of the story, what do you want to

13:11

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R I A. Ah

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right, David. I like

17:19

the daytime. Ass. So what

17:21

are you Break down The real life a

17:23

power versus a legend for as the as

17:26

well as a Gm. Well.

17:28

You know, the actual life of any

17:30

palmer surprised Rise Significantly less documented and

17:33

more mundane than the legend subject is

17:35

owed. Say, that's just what Big Jamaica

17:37

wants you to think I might be

17:39

a how is. Com.

17:41

man and all find out

17:43

all about it and your

17:46

tourist dollars ear it's road

17:48

all that's a spot on

17:50

jamaican accent have the ability

17:52

with no a successor in

17:54

america oh who wants to

17:56

see the goes that is

17:58

dead broad oh football Oh,

18:00

you guys want to eat

18:02

some jerk chicken? Whoa. Maybe

18:07

a blood day. All right. So the

18:10

legend has been embellished over the years, which

18:12

means mixing historical facts of folklore, and

18:15

that makes it difficult to separate truth

18:17

from fiction. But does that

18:19

stop us, Brim? It sure doesn't. Sure

18:22

as hell doesn't. Make shit up if we need to,

18:24

you know. Here's what's

18:26

generally understood about her life based

18:28

on historical records in the scrutiny

18:31

of historians. Yeah. So we're doing it a little

18:33

bit backwards or different is we're, we're telling you

18:35

probably the truth before we tell you the, uh,

18:38

the fun stuff, the legends. The, the

18:40

truth with an oomla. We're

18:43

telling you the truth before we actually tell you the

18:45

truth. Um,

18:47

so Annie Palmer was indeed a real

18:49

person who lived in Jamaica during the

18:51

early 19th century. Where did you say

18:53

that she lived once again? Where

18:55

was that? Right near the beach. Bye.

19:03

She had a beautiful hat. She

19:06

was born in 1802 in

19:09

Ingleland, likely to a family

19:11

of modest means. But

19:13

little is known about her early years,

19:15

including her family background and upbringing. She

19:18

may have been of English descent

19:21

with some accounts suggesting she had,

19:23

um, Irish ancestry as well. Well, get

19:26

out the chains and whipper then Jesus.

19:29

I mean, how can she hot someone where she

19:31

doesn't have a soul? Oh, I'm sorry. I

19:35

didn't get a physical description there. I didn't know

19:38

she was a ginger. Um,

19:41

the details of Annie's early life,

19:43

like we said, murky, but, um,

19:47

we don't have very much concrete evidence to

19:49

support the more fantastical elements of the story,

19:52

such as her upbringing by

19:54

a Haitian voodoo priestess. So

19:57

that means these aspects were probably.

20:00

added to her story later to

20:02

enhance the legend. David,

20:04

you were raised by a Haitian voodoo priestess.

20:07

How did Europe bring in compare to that it's

20:09

said to be about Andes? I mean, do you

20:11

see parallels or was it just completely different? It

20:15

sounds like she had a pretty good time

20:17

of it. I mean, I got beat incessantly.

20:20

Well, not so much you as the voodoo

20:22

doll of you, but you know, vis-a-vis. Right,

20:25

exactly. Ow!

20:30

Stop giving a cat my voodoo doll! I'm

20:34

so sympathetic to other people now because

20:36

of all that sympathetic magic. Yeah. Anyway,

20:42

Andes' life became more documented upon

20:44

her marriage to John Palmer, a

20:47

wealthy plantation owner in 1820. Oh,

20:50

he's rich. Let's write that down. That's

20:53

right. Someone owned at the Rose Hall

20:55

Plantation. I get

20:57

a sprawling estate in Montego Bay,

20:59

Jamaica, where he grew sugar cane

21:02

and other crops like...

21:05

He's saying something so

21:07

different. He grew sugar

21:09

cane and other crops.

21:13

Jesus, we

21:16

got to do another episode on those other crops. Why don't you

21:18

keep going, my friend? The

21:21

marriage likely provided Annie with considerable

21:23

wealth and social status, as well

21:25

as control over the operations of

21:27

the plantation across

21:29

the nation. Yeah, yeah. Well, and you

21:32

got to think about that as she's

21:34

mistress of this Rose Hall plantation. So

21:37

she'd overseen the daily management of the plantation and

21:40

supervision of enslaved laborers.

21:44

So you know, if you're not the

21:46

best of heart or if you're just used to that, it's

21:50

easy to be possible. Not when David... Nope.

21:53

I'm sorry, Dave Flores is on the

21:55

gig. He's on it. Dave

21:58

Flores of... That was

22:00

on top of the desert fame? Yeah, that's

22:02

right. Out

22:05

now on Apple TV and... On

22:08

Pearvision and Amazon,

22:11

Dooko, and I don't know, you can find

22:13

it, just Google it. Just bing it, just

22:15

bing it. Go

22:18

to Dogpile and you'll find it. Don't

22:20

worry about it. Speaking of Dogpile, this

22:23

historical evidence and stuff sucks. We

22:28

don't have anything really to go on. That

22:32

plantation, like others in Jamaica at the

22:34

time, it was worked by enslaved people

22:37

and the conditions were likely harsh because

22:40

people fucking sucked, they were own slaves. The

22:44

people who didn't

22:47

were also turd blossoms, so keep that in mind.

22:49

Yeah, so you got the people that own slaves or the

22:52

people that were just... Okay

22:54

with slaves. Yeah, exactly. Well...

22:58

Ah, it's better than me having to do it, right?

23:01

Now let's go die of scurvy. You know, or

23:03

some shit. I don't know. It was a different

23:05

time then. But

23:08

specific atrocities attributed to Annie, specifically,

23:11

specific ones are part of the

23:13

legend rather than recorded history. Yeah,

23:15

the killings and the abusings and

23:17

things that you're going to talk

23:19

about. It's a lot of detail.

23:21

They often say, and I don't want to

23:24

screw the pooch again, but when

23:26

you have a lot of

23:28

details, that's when something smells

23:32

fishy. Right, and so what we're

23:34

getting at is we're telling you this, we're breaking down the history

23:36

of it. None of the real...

23:39

Your takeaway is none of the real crappy

23:41

things are written anywhere other than...

23:43

Well, we'll find out where they came from. But

23:46

keep that in mind and don't let that

23:48

get in the way of a good story.

23:51

So to speak, but yes. Yes. Then

23:54

we move on to John Palmer, the

23:56

husband. He Shuffled

23:59

off his mortal... Wilson's Be Denier

24:01

Aids Mike that went on. It

24:04

sounded like a million died in eighteen Twenty seven. And

24:09

she's over. Do

24:11

as as ones will turret

24:13

A marked a turning point

24:15

and his life. Yes, some

24:17

accounts claim he died under

24:19

mysterious circumstances around again, ceiling

24:22

rumors of soundly he died.

24:24

That's right, By. Chicken.

24:28

How hundreds of historical records indicate that

24:30

he died of natural causes likely from

24:32

and ill now socket buzz kill man

24:35

that doesn't really fit in with a

24:37

story. So let's make it more dubious

24:39

and justice. mix it up. He.

24:41

Died of natural causes. If

24:44

you find voodoo mansour omaha

24:46

whole whole half hour. that's

24:49

the friends for. Our

24:53

at the gays and some friends.

24:55

Goose Hong sorry. For

24:59

what happens, what happens in Brunt Well

25:02

you know your mans that is time

25:04

to get more marriages because of that

25:06

time is that looked down upon being

25:09

a woman even if he were supernatural

25:11

Ned Powers from beyond the the either

25:13

as after John's that any remarried twice

25:15

more. Her. Second husband

25:18

George as as much

25:20

as If is George

25:22

S Ninety Nine under

25:24

unclear circumstances that's getting

25:27

a little more closer

25:29

and closer to nefarious.

25:32

That vulgar third husband which is

25:34

reportedly man named Robert Rutherford. Again,

25:36

there are. No.

25:39

Things that say that's not correct anyway. Yeah.

25:42

We're not a hundred percent on that being

25:45

set in stone. And. He die

25:47

because reasons. Affirms

25:49

and those reasons could have been sick

25:51

this or with for at. Least. three

25:56

degrees as undermine them with rumors of amy's harsh

25:58

treatment of and sleep and individuals on

26:00

the plantation. Boom. Her

26:03

reputation as a malevolent figure

26:05

in local folklore is sealed

26:07

or maybe not. Maybe someone just made that

26:09

up and then she died. And

26:12

spoiler. I

26:14

don't want to, I don't want to, you know, upset

26:16

you here, but there's

26:19

like a concrete evidence, uh, even around how

26:21

she died because, you know,

26:23

reasons and Jamaican, uh, they weren't the

26:25

best, you know, man, since

26:27

his takers get out of here. This

26:30

woman was already dead. Right. Um,

26:34

according to historical records, a record, she died in 1833,

26:36

likely from natural

26:39

causes. That's the official thing,

26:42

which is, you know, it sounds like big government just

26:44

keeping us away from the truth. There

26:46

is no evidence to support the popular

26:49

legend of her being murdered by a

26:51

vengeful slave or dying in any

26:54

supernatural manner. So therefore

26:56

that is exactly probably what fucking happened. You

27:00

know, um, I'm going to call

27:02

this one true. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So

27:06

I know this wasn't the most fun. We wanted to just tell you

27:08

the truth of the matter

27:10

so far is they don't really

27:12

know a lot, but

27:15

there, there was a person and

27:18

she was married to a few people.

27:20

She came from places and she died

27:22

and you know, and that's the way

27:24

it goes. Uh, we're going to

27:26

get into the, the, the fun part, but

27:28

I wanted to, I wanted to

27:31

highlight, wait, wait, wait, we're not already

27:33

yet. This is, and then she begat

27:35

two sons and they begat two sons.

27:38

So despite this lack of concrete evidence

27:40

supporting the more lurid aspects of Annie's

27:42

story, Her legend is endured.

27:45

Uh, you know, the myth of the white witch

27:47

of Rose Hall, it persists in Jamaica. They

27:50

will talk to you about it ad nauseum. You know, they're,

27:52

you're checking in and they're like, Hey, you hear about that? White

27:54

bitch down the way. You know, they, they love to do

27:56

that. And it's in captured

27:58

or it's captured. the imagination

28:00

of writers, filmmakers, tourists, Johnny

28:03

Cash, lots of people. So

28:05

we want to do that quick dive into

28:07

the myth reality. So we can move

28:09

on to the crazy story or stories

28:12

that are spread about her. And that's

28:14

what's in store for all of us

28:16

after this break on Hysteria 51.

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29:38

now it's time for the real

29:40

story of Annie, the witch

29:42

and the hatery still. If

29:45

you guys at home haven't caught on yet, we're going to

29:47

say this every time we get to a new session. The

29:52

real story of Annie. This one's real.

29:54

The other four, not real. This one's

29:56

real. According

29:58

to some people. Most. People.

30:01

The. Truth. The truth seekers out

30:03

there. There are terrible secret flirty

30:06

behind the beautiful facade or that

30:08

is or was Rose Hall And

30:10

what We're about to tell you

30:13

The Truth. Honest to God or

30:15

whatever begun deity you want a.

30:18

Fuckin. Swear to out there.

30:22

I got into such as

30:24

swear to guarantee by by

30:26

whoever so little as holes

30:28

that rose how hard it

30:30

by it's former mistress The

30:32

White which any bucher. Polymer.

30:36

Whatever. The hell for name is palmer. I

30:40

have a hard time remembering when I'm

30:43

even talk about Emma locals they they

30:45

love to tell you how evil she

30:47

was would see own slaves and she

30:50

had so you. Yeah. That's

30:52

pretty evil. that the the foundation is

30:54

lead yeah but they say oh ne

30:56

own a it doesn't stop there. This.

30:59

Story sachs be damn

31:01

the goes like this.

31:04

Same Amy Palmer's board and and then was

31:06

raised in Haiti. Her parents died of yellow

31:08

sea birds and she was raised by a

31:11

woman who taught her witchcraft and voodoo. Probably.

31:14

Soo do and all sorts of other things to.

31:17

All. Those rhymed smoothly to make a marriage

31:19

on par with the owner of Rose.

31:21

All. I hear from

31:23

the unfortunate part old Danny Boy,

31:25

he wasn't on the side left.

31:27

His new wife was a powerful

31:29

practitioner. Dark magic. What woman isn't.

31:33

It with as to be to figure

31:35

it out later that bad boy see

31:37

that a console ligand violent streak again

31:39

tell me what will not fall because

31:41

I made a lousy and when argument

31:43

sleep on the dust mites. See.

31:47

Murdered. Now. We job.

31:50

But. To subsequent other genes

31:53

ruff husband's. It's

31:55

a reverse Jack the Ripper Lena She had

31:57

a habit of taking mail slaves as lovers.

32:00

A. Man. Murdering. Them when

32:02

she tired of their. Quote.

32:05

Unquote Services and you know she

32:07

she was. She married John, she

32:09

got the plantation and then it's

32:11

party time. Britain.

32:13

Wearing Me of the lovers

32:16

Was it really not until

32:18

the twentieth century where we

32:20

we espoused the idea of

32:22

reduce reuse recycle. Come on.

32:26

Yeah, I'm Sylvia now, but I'm I

32:28

want to come back to in a

32:30

few months. maybe when Some neat tricks,

32:33

animal rights, Rowdy. Seems wasteful.

32:35

or at least like. Read

32:37

gift. You know, like

32:39

somebody's gonna have a best. Man.

32:42

On my rank or a let's let's

32:44

stop this He heard this is all

32:46

we were working on that second bridge

32:48

at the at a Temple of Doom.

32:50

On this episode let's was as tap

32:52

tap dance and up exactly the way

32:55

you know be an original was so

32:57

use it was enough bigger in a

32:59

Walmart. Fine then I am about it.

33:01

I'm. See. Her

33:03

story spread far and wide and that

33:05

is true People as part of others

33:08

and her reign of terror has a

33:10

dollar did not come to an end

33:12

until she crossed another powerful magician, a

33:14

slave named cuckoo. Te. Ha oh

33:17

I think it's time to take to

33:19

talk with he wasn't available for me

33:21

to ask. For. So fast. And

33:24

I don't know. It's plain long

33:26

and home and not with dogs.

33:28

you see Cross another powerful magician.

33:30

See. You know what that means?

33:33

Fuck that magic fight and

33:35

will lead us lucky slacking

33:37

as. See. Bots Kroner

33:39

visor. You. Keep that you

33:41

know on hand. We got that and

33:44

he got as the fucking audio of

33:46

the entire thing. Now is time for

33:48

the final battle. Success.

33:51

Is these a. Magic.

33:54

Missile Magic Missile.

33:57

Magic Missile do it too. Take

34:00

no significant killer who and

34:02

a mess up their anatomy

34:05

and of fox know nothing.

34:09

Is ever Georgia and to Long Road. as

34:11

latest Wranglers have been out. In

34:15

one for an alleged in any

34:17

curse to choose intended son in

34:20

law in others he curses own

34:22

child. All birds have the surgery

34:24

though that that this magic wielding

34:26

a man. Murdered. Any

34:28

palmer use a combination of black magic and

34:30

physical violence? Fuck yeah right. I mean if

34:33

he got to take flown out. In.

34:35

A one I have more fun with It. Isn't

34:38

that? am? Metallic.

34:41

Albums: Black Magic and Physical

34:43

Violence as. Six

34:46

and news that was amazing and baby?

34:49

maybe it was God's max out it's

34:51

or something like that. Ah,

34:53

Good mix to. Sell sell,

34:55

sell them to do. Yes

34:59

ma'am and they have nothing

35:01

matter. was used. As

35:03

a your phone goes man. Master's Guide Slattery.

35:05

get it? I mean is he gonna get

35:07

a goes? That's we do it. But here's

35:10

the thing. The East. There's no way to

35:12

escape a magic missile like you've. Magic.

35:15

Necessity to do is counter

35:17

spells. otherwise it says it

35:19

ignores Mar I had a

35:21

dog misses know I had

35:23

my were sealed up. No.

35:26

No did it hit me to

35:28

shield takes damage magic missile he

35:30

he launched quite a few of

35:32

us served so that is true

35:34

of is. Ah, Lower.

35:37

Dc is to bring me

35:39

my mammoth. So

35:42

she is supposedly buried on the team

35:44

on the grounds and local people say

35:46

that her tomb was meant to be

35:48

sealed with a voodoo ritual. Am.

35:50

I would have kept her spirit imprisoned forever,

35:52

but that's what. I mean

35:54

and more that you know, success. But.

35:56

He get busy. Look.

35:58

At a time for all as. She.

36:01

Was which. You. Mean

36:03

if she's dead didn't are fucked right? Well

36:05

I did she have an apprentice or something

36:07

well no see the so she's dead but

36:10

the other guy killed or so they don't

36:12

want her coming back as a ghost. I

36:14

also he he would be the ones her.

36:17

To. Seal is tested to man. You know,

36:19

Unfortunately he had. you know. An

36:22

inventory or something so he looks as I

36:24

got busy for that. The

36:26

Us any Palmer goes roam

36:28

free arose hall and all her

36:31

layer See him Sue for

36:33

all time. You know,

36:35

excellent if you pay to take the tour.

36:37

and for the oh yes people claimed his

36:39

senior and all sorts of crazy shit my

36:42

deaths for goes rides a horse all around

36:44

the plantation. Just. Fucking galloping from

36:46

of was on us and sometimes they see

36:48

are on a balcony say i'm source I'm

36:50

sorry to report. Ah,

36:52

I think that we can all agree that would be like cooler

36:55

if he was up there with that. second. Without.

36:57

Sort of horse was in his act

36:59

think his sake of what would have

37:01

had to have happened to the horse

37:03

over it to also be a terrified

37:05

of slow is is a real I

37:07

david because we still got that could

37:09

have either and I think that we

37:11

can get some audio about to what

37:13

would went on and then black beauty

37:15

cousin take it any longer and see

37:17

he finally did some as his own

37:20

meals a day I would see bat

37:22

sadness you were all thinking it. Since

37:25

have to go for bodies. Because

37:27

I really suited for freedom versus.

37:30

Ah, There's a lot of people live,

37:33

went over and done investigations here and

37:35

dose hundred have holes or who's I'm

37:37

serious from. But you know, Boston.

37:40

Place at the Farmers Close Once

37:42

took over the body in a trance

37:45

of medium Eileen Jarrett and just took

37:47

over and with it whereas the

37:49

horse. and

37:51

are you said ringing bells and bridles

37:53

answer for that i don't know best

37:55

what they say you can go you

37:58

go there you do tours you can

38:00

see the plantation, you can find out

38:02

all the, the, the weird wacky, kooky

38:04

shit that they say has been done.

38:06

And they will go into a lot

38:08

of details about all the people that

38:10

she's murdered and killed the different, uh,

38:12

the different people on the plantation and

38:14

her husbands and how she did it.

38:17

Why the crazy legend? Do you think break

38:20

it down for us a little bit? I

38:22

mean, you know, not to poo

38:24

poo on a good ghost story.

38:26

All the best ghost stories involved.

38:28

Poo poo. Thank you very much.

38:30

So that's, yeah, that's the history

38:32

of 51 seal of approval. Uh,

38:35

our guarantee, but, uh, recent research has

38:38

cast a lot of doubt on that

38:40

old Anna Palmer legend, not any part,

38:42

Annie Parker, but any Palmer for sure.

38:44

No, I mean, maybe if you had

38:46

looked up Annie Parker, you would have

38:48

found some different stuff, but for

38:51

miss Palmer, uh, her

38:54

legend as the white witch of

38:56

Rose Hall was popularized

38:59

in the novel, the white word,

39:01

which of Rose Hall published in

39:03

1929 by Herbert G. Delisser.

39:09

Yeah. And the funny part about this

39:11

is this novel is it's

39:13

responsive for the modern narrative of, of,

39:15

of Annie and it bled

39:18

circle fact with fiction. And he

39:20

wrote it intended to be as entertainment,

39:22

not as an historical account, but people

39:24

took and went, that's what happened. That's

39:28

just fucking hilarious to me. Like before

39:30

that, it was really, wasn't a thing.

39:33

He writes this book and people go, did

39:35

you hear the truth? And,

39:38

uh, that's where it comes from.

39:40

It's happened several times. Named 17

39:42

others. You

39:46

know, isn't that crazy? Literally. And it's

39:49

verbatim out of it. If you read this book

39:51

of that's where the story, you know, she was

39:54

just kind of this, you know, I'm unfortunate she

39:56

lost her husbands and, you know,

39:58

and she probably wasn't there nearly as. long as

40:00

they say or husband, she had no

40:04

real claim to the place, probably was gone as

40:06

soon as her first husband passed,

40:08

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then he

40:10

writes this book and all of a sudden

40:12

she's a shithole, and as they

40:14

do. That's wild.

40:17

I mean, I just thought of one, Dianetics.

40:22

That's from L. Ron Hubbard, not

40:24

from... And it was also like, anyway,

40:28

I don't know. I don't know how to get into that right now, but it

40:31

sounds Herbert G. Delicorous

40:34

to me. Well, it definitely influenced perceptions

40:36

of Andy Palmer. And then

40:38

you have all the tourism folklore. And

40:42

I don't blame them because it's become a significant

40:44

part of Jamaican, the

40:46

tourist attraction in that area. And like I

40:48

said, they've brought up many times when

40:51

you're in the resorts and stuff, they say, hey, you want to

40:53

do the tour? The tales

40:55

of her life... So they've embraced it. Yes, that's

40:57

exactly... And it's a way for

40:59

them to have something. To me, that's the smartest thing you can do.

41:02

Like why not get some tourist dollars?

41:05

You're already a tourist nation. So it becomes a cultural

41:07

narrative and a tourism thing

41:10

more than historical fact. Yeah.

41:13

But like I said before, the locals like to talk

41:15

about it, but I don't even know if

41:17

that's a bad thing because it's not

41:19

hurting her family per se, unless her

41:21

rest will fear it. I'd

41:24

still round. Hurry and let's say, well, I don't know. We don't

41:26

even know for sure where she's from and shit like that. Unless

41:31

her spirit can't rest until they finally

41:33

bring her her horse and stop

41:35

talking about her, but I don't know. You

41:38

guys like... Anyway. Well,

41:40

so this travel writer, I'm looking around this,

41:42

Polly Thomas, she talked

41:45

about the anti-Palmer legend

41:47

is partially based on the life of Rosa

41:49

Palmer. Rosa was the first mistress

41:52

at Rose Hall and had four husbands. She

41:54

had a reputation for great virtue and was

41:56

never suspected in the deaths of her

41:58

husband. that let's make some

42:01

shit up. Then you enter Annie, she comes

42:03

in and it just kind

42:05

of gets woven in together. Uh, many

42:07

believe that the real Annie Palmer did marry John

42:10

Rose Palmer in 1820, but when he died, he

42:12

died in debt. And

42:14

a few years later, Annie had no

42:17

legal right to the plantation. She had

42:19

to leave. And then she died in

42:21

relative obscurity. They believe in 1846, not

42:24

even the, the times when they

42:26

think that she died, meaning they

42:28

really don't know this woman's

42:32

story at all. Yeah. Did she die

42:34

in 1831? Did she die in 1846?

42:36

Did she have multiple husbands or was

42:38

that because of Rose

42:40

Palmer? Right. Um, that sounds

42:43

plausible to me. You know, that shit mixes

42:45

together. Yeah. Yeah. And,

42:47

uh, if you want

42:49

to hear more about it though, and not want to hear

42:51

us, there is a song, The Ballad of Annie Palmer by,

42:54

uh, that said Johnny Cash. He

42:57

actually owned the nearby Cinnamon Hill great house.

42:59

Uh, he owned property right by there and

43:01

was kind of, uh, enthralled

43:03

with the story so you can look up that stuff. There's

43:05

a lot of people that live in that area and

43:08

it's just a fun, it's a

43:10

fun story. But my question

43:12

for you is how do you look at it? Is this

43:15

a bad thing or a good thing? Let's say that, I

43:17

mean, we know where it came from a book

43:20

that was fiction. Is

43:22

that bad or are you okay with it? Oh,

43:26

it's, um,

43:28

okay. So I

43:31

think that them leaning into it is

43:33

smart for them. That's fine.

43:35

Right. Uh, it

43:39

would go too far if you had, I think

43:41

that she died, meaning they

43:43

really don't know this woman's

43:47

story at all. Yeah. Did she die in

43:49

1831? Did she die in 1846? Did she

43:51

have multiple husbands or was that because of

43:54

Rose Palmer?

43:56

Right. Um, that sounds plausible to me.

43:58

You know, that should mix it up. together yeah

44:00

yeah and

44:04

if you want to hear more about it though and not

44:06

want to hear us there is a song the bout of

44:08

Annie Palmer by that said

44:10

Johnny Cash he actually

44:12

owned the nearby Cinnamon Hill great house

44:14

he owned property right by there and

44:16

was kind of enthralled

44:19

with the story so you can look up that stuff there's

44:21

a lot of people live in that area and

44:23

it's just a fun it's a

44:26

fun story but my question

44:28

for you is how do you look at it is this

44:30

a bad thing or a good thing let's say that I

44:32

mean we know where it came from a book

44:35

that was fiction is

44:38

that bad or are you okay with it oh

44:41

it's okay

44:43

so I

44:46

think that them leaning into it is

44:48

smart for them that's fine

44:50

right it

44:54

would go too far if you had people

44:57

saying yes there are there are ghosts

44:59

and this ghost is dangerous and you

45:01

all have to act differently and be

45:03

scared and blah blah blah like that's

45:05

kind of fear-mongering mm-hmm on

45:07

the on the whole though like so I'm

45:10

questioning whether or not there was a

45:13

woman I mean you said there was an anti-palmer

45:18

but it sounds so like the anti-palmer

45:20

that is in this story is not

45:22

the real person that lived there no

45:25

it's just an amalgamation of it's an

45:27

amalgamation of all kinds of stuff and

45:29

in fact is mostly based on fiction

45:31

according to this guy's book and

45:34

and it does sound very suspicious

45:36

that the other plantation

45:38

owner had such similar you

45:40

know parallels so

45:43

the the fact that

45:45

it's kind of a tourist thing now and

45:48

this is basically a fictitious

45:50

character that people are I

45:54

guess you could say talking badly

45:56

about you know that she was

45:58

awful and practice magic

46:01

and blah, blah, blah, killed people. That's

46:04

not a real person. It doesn't sound like to

46:06

me. So to me, it

46:08

all is kind of okay.

46:11

Um, yeah, because the reality of it

46:13

is it's not actually based on this

46:15

one woman and we're, and it's

46:17

not actually, um, tearing

46:20

her life apart and making fun

46:22

of her. This

46:24

is, this is like, um, saying

46:26

there was a boy in, in

46:29

England who went to a magic

46:31

school, you know, and, um,

46:35

and there was, there just happened to be

46:37

a real Harry Potter that lived, you

46:39

know, in England somewhere. And people are like,

46:42

Oh, it was him. It's based on him.

46:44

No, it's, it's actually just complete fiction. I

46:47

don't know. There's, there's an analogy somewhere

46:49

that was very poorly made, but you know what

46:51

I'm saying? It's not a bad, yeah. It's, then

46:53

you get in and think, I just don't want

46:55

the, um, the slaves

46:57

and stuff to be overlooked. And if you

47:00

want to talk about place being haunted, uh,

47:02

probably is, but, you know,

47:04

if you believe in that stuff by the

47:06

horrible treatments of, of the

47:08

slaves and shit like that, not just the one

47:10

white person who lived there. That's

47:13

a good point too. You know, um, you

47:15

know, uh, you know,

47:17

but don't let that get in the way of a good story,

47:19

I guess, you know, is the way

47:22

it always goes. Yeah.

47:24

Yeah. It's, it's, it is

47:27

great for tourism, tourists, tourism,

47:30

I was making up words there, but.

47:32

Jamaica is like, that's their main, um,

47:34

what do you

47:36

call it? Money maker, right? Tourism. I

47:38

yeah. Yeah. So, uh, far

47:41

be it for me to poopoo on it. Yeah. Right.

47:44

It's a, it's crazy how

47:46

close these insert

47:49

whatever name, which is all have the same story.

47:53

Now, is that because which is all kind of run

47:55

of the mill and it's all true

47:58

or if they're made up and everyone shares the same. story

48:01

that they does it speak to the

48:03

strength of the story in the sense

48:05

that this is a this

48:07

is something that is pan-cultural and

48:10

everybody can it's great yeah you

48:12

know kind of like take something from

48:15

or appreciate in different ways you know yeah

48:17

that's another way to look at it absolutely

48:19

I'd like to know if you guys

48:21

have ever been there a to Jamaica and be given

48:24

to the tours or do you know anything are you

48:26

a big fan of the ballad of Annie Palmer by

48:28

Johnny Cash yeah how

48:31

can they let us know other than smoke signals

48:34

oh shit well that was gonna

48:36

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48:39

did I put these that somehow

48:42

this is what it sounds like finding notes in

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