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And Amy's got some question John as well.

1:16

First I wanted to ask you guys, like, is anyone

1:19

a little weirded out? I am

1:21

that were like to the last

1:23

season of Gilmore Girls.

1:25

I'm a little real it flew

1:27

by. Yeah, you know, it

1:29

seems like yesterday I picked up a phone and called you

1:32

about this idea I had of a rewatch

1:34

podcast. Think it was an original idea it

1:36

all. It really wasn't.

1:39

And is it anyone else?

1:40

Like?

1:41

Okay, So I

1:43

guess maybe in my mind it's like, oh,

1:45

that's the Palladinos last episode.

1:48

Now. I love West Wing also,

1:50

and Aaron Sorkin did leave the

1:52

show and I continued to love

1:54

it, but it is they are such

1:57

unique creators that it is

1:59

a little weird to be like, oh,

2:01

the main creators of the show are

2:03

gone.

2:04

Now.

2:06

Was that weird for you when they left, Scott?

2:09

Yeah?

2:10

Was it sad?

2:12

Yeah?

2:13

And were you stressed?

2:15

Yeah? Everybody was.

2:17

Yeah.

2:17

I mean we didn't know if we were going

2:19

to have a season

2:22

seven. We didn't know if we should even

2:24

be involved in it. We felt yeahl

2:27

did. I mean, there's there's these loyalties

2:29

that you have to Amy and Dan and but

2:32

then you know you've you've got your loyalties

2:34

to your mortgage and your family, and.

2:37

Are some things beyond your control, Like if

2:39

you have a contract, that's one of them. You

2:41

can't leave just because they did.

2:44

Well, you can, but and

2:48

our contracts were but I'd already negotiated

2:50

for a season seven, right, So you were like,

2:54

yeah, I was. I was under contract, So

2:58

yeah, you're obligated. You can't just not

3:00

show up. They'll you know, that's

3:03

that's a no. No. You know, want

3:05

to get into a legal brew with a major

3:07

studio.

3:08

I mean yeah, it would be hard though, especially since,

3:10

like you know, I guess on some shows, like

3:12

look on some shows create, you know, the

3:14

showrunners come and go and they go through multiple.

3:17

That's that's never good.

3:20

No, and these are rarely a.

3:22

Good thing, you know, you want to have. Like

3:24

I was on a show a NBC and

3:27

the showrunner was inexperienced but

3:29

had written a really great pilot and they replaced

3:31

him with another show and it destroyed the show. Wow,

3:34

yeah it didn't. It didn't last a year. I mean

3:36

it was a year and it was it was out.

3:40

That's not a good sign when like showrunners

3:42

coming and going.

3:43

That's some shows. I think the Walking

3:45

Dead and the West Wing, like we talked about,

3:48

can can survive it. But it will be interesting

3:50

for us to really analyze season seven,

3:53

the differences.

3:55

And we know, we know how good,

3:57

how gifted a writer, David

4:00

Rosenthal is right right,

4:02

and he laid down some fantastic

4:04

episodes. And I don't remember her favorites.

4:07

Back then, like

4:09

in Juel. I just liked the show, right, So

4:12

I wasn't in the behind the scenes weeds, like

4:14

I didn't really even I

4:16

don't know, Suzanne, did you know when

4:18

you watched it? Did you watch it in the first

4:21

run.

4:23

I did not watch it in the first

4:25

run. I watched it for the first time in twenty sixteen,

4:29

But I will say the first time I saw

4:32

it, maybe I was just oblivious, but I

4:34

did not notice. I did

4:36

not realize that Amy and Dan had

4:38

left for seasons, Like it just was continuous

4:40

for me. Soay, I know other

4:42

people. I've seen other people

4:45

say, oh, you could totally see a difference, and maybe

4:47

I just wasn't being very close attention,

4:49

but I didn't notice it.

4:51

Yeah, I just remember loving the show and

4:53

being happy to watch more episodes

4:55

because I watched it live, like I

4:57

don't know on CW or w BE

5:00

whatever it was then, So I

5:02

didn't and I wasn't into the behind the scenes,

5:04

so I sort of was and I'm not sure as

5:06

a twenty something I

5:08

would have cared. I don't know that I would have realized

5:11

like the impact that a showrunner, creator

5:14

writers had. I think I was much

5:16

more like, no, that's

5:18

Luke and that's Laura LII. Like

5:21

I just was like hook

5:23

line and sinker into the actors,

5:26

right.

5:26

I think I think the first line of defense

5:29

are the are the or the talent

5:32

and we noticed we are

5:34

the ones who notice it right away, and

5:38

yeah, and then you know, we do the best

5:40

we can to you

5:44

know, make it the best we can.

5:46

Yeah.

5:46

But to ask somebody who

5:49

it didn't dream up these characters, and it isn't.

5:52

Writing from the experience that Dan and

5:55

Amy has and brings to bear on

5:57

these characters who created them is

6:00

impossible task. It is an impossible

6:02

task. And I've seen so many scripts that

6:05

have been submitted to me and

6:08

as writing samples, And I wrote a Gilmour

6:10

episode. Do you think you get me a meeting with Amy? And this kind

6:12

of thing? And you read these things and they're

6:14

just spot on and they're great, but there's always

6:17

something a little bit missing, you

6:19

know, totally right, right, And it's

6:22

not a knock on these writers. These are great writers.

6:24

There's some great writers out there, and

6:27

they take a stab at it and they do a great

6:29

job, and the jokes are funny and all this stuff, but there's

6:31

just that special sauce just isn't

6:34

well. Yeah, yeah,

6:36

you're not going to replace those

6:39

unique voices that Amy and Dan brought

6:41

to this show. You're not going to replace that. It's impossible.

6:44

So that leads me to my next question because

6:47

obviously, look, I always

6:49

read all the comments. It's so

6:51

much fun for me to read all the comments,

6:54

but it's my job. So here's

6:56

my question for you guys, and really for everyone

6:59

listening right and especially

7:01

for you Scott and Suzanne because Danielle's

7:03

seeing it for the first time. I

7:06

love this show, right, And I,

7:09

obviously, as a result of that, like

7:12

the writers and the creators. To me,

7:14

it was always about the actors, like I was like, I

7:16

love Luke and I love Logan and this is

7:18

who I would pick, and YadA, YadA. But obviously,

7:20

as a big fan, you're sucked into the

7:23

writing and the creators who who

7:25

came up with these characters. So

7:27

my question is there are so many

7:30

comments about how much they hate

7:33

Lorli hooking up with Christopher

7:35

and how dare he write? Like they're really

7:37

mad that Christopher would do that.

7:41

As a viewer, if I just surrender like

7:43

my ability to control anything on this

7:45

show, like I have no ability to rewrite

7:48

it, and at the time, I'm just watching it like as

7:50

a voyeur. If Amy and Dan

7:53

know.

7:53

These characters so well, they

7:55

are the characters, they created them,

7:58

why do we have such a distrust in

8:00

them making the decision that

8:03

Lorelei ran back to Christopher.

8:05

It's not a distrusted They did

8:07

it intentionally because

8:11

they know if you give fans what they

8:13

want, they're going to go away.

8:15

Yeah, you've got to keep the fans a

8:18

little bit or

8:21

a lot a bit in a state of longing and

8:24

want. You can't give

8:26

him what they want. You know. They

8:28

wrote Christopher to be unlikable.

8:30

They wrote him as a spineless

8:33

person. That's how they wrote him. Okay,

8:37

fans were supposed to be repulsed

8:39

by this. They were supposed

8:41

to be scratching their heads, like, why

8:44

Laurel are you going over? This

8:46

is only something that Laurel I can understand

8:48

and Christopher can understand. Most

8:51

fans can't understand.

8:53

What's the attraction here?

8:56

We don't get it. He's needy,

8:59

he's whiny's he's

9:01

just a complete screw up in his life. Why

9:04

are how are you attracted that? Well, it's

9:06

you know, the father, it's

9:08

young love. It's sixteen or fifteen, sixteen

9:10

year old love, and you don't get over that, and you don't

9:12

forget about that. And there's all, you know, there's the

9:14

residuals effects left

9:16

over. And still there's a chance that

9:19

you know, and she needs him

9:21

in Rory's life, and Rory wants him

9:23

in her life, and you know it's not

9:25

a bad thing, but you know, romantically

9:28

speaking, you know, it has

9:30

an ick factor that the fans

9:33

that register and they

9:35

come rightfully and righteously complain

9:37

about. So I don't I

9:41

don't understand what you are

9:43

personally seeing. I

9:46

don't see any chemistry between them. I don't

9:48

see any attraction between them. I

9:50

just look at it objectively and

9:52

I say, whoa, you

9:54

know, that's that's all big bowl of wrong

9:56

right there. And

10:01

and I know, I know I have a dog in the fight here, but you

10:03

know, I'm trying to be objective about it. It's like, you

10:06

know, you can't compare the two characters,

10:09

you know, Luke is a steadfast

10:12

guy with a with a backbone and

10:14

his principles and in his limited

10:17

worldview, but he is who he is,

10:19

and yeah, you know it's

10:21

it's Christopher is one hundred

10:23

and eighty degrees in the other direction. Yeah,

10:26

And it's just clear for all to say. So

10:28

it's not even really a competition. When they say

10:30

team, are your team Luke or team Christophers? I

10:33

agree, even a team, it's it's what are you talking

10:35

about? You know? So I

10:37

don't begrudge the fans for disliking

10:40

Christophers. They wrote him just unlikable.

10:43

Yeah, I wrote him

10:45

partially likable, though, am I the

10:47

only one that sees that.

10:49

Name one likable thing

10:51

that he has ever said or done? I

10:54

mean, he's an opportunist. He's

10:57

just like skulking around the

10:59

edges of her life when he should

11:01

just f off.

11:03

I feel like he's very in love

11:05

with Loralai.

11:06

It's gross. Yeah, he is.

11:09

He wants back in.

11:10

I don't know if he's in love with Lorelai so

11:13

much as he's in love with whatever

11:17

it was that they had back in high school.

11:19

So we've we've talked about in a

11:21

previous episode. I can't remember which

11:24

episode of the of the series. It was, but we

11:26

talked about how really Christopher has

11:28

never grown up, like he's still kind of that teenager

11:31

in his head. And I think he has this

11:33

idea that if he

11:35

can be with LORIAI they can be like

11:37

they were when they were teenagers, because

11:40

that's kind of still who he is in

11:42

his head. So I don't

11:44

know that he's in love with the current Laurel.

11:46

I think he thinks he is, but

11:49

I don't. I don't know that he

11:51

really is. And just to your point earlier,

11:54

Amy about you know, should we trust

11:57

Amy and Dan because they're the writers and the

11:59

creators of these characters. I

12:01

just wanted to say, as a viewer, when

12:04

I'm watching any television show, whether it's

12:06

you know, Gilmore Girls or anything else, I'm

12:08

not thinking about the actual

12:11

people that wrote it. I'm like in the

12:13

story. I'm in the plot, and I'm with the characters.

12:15

So I don't really

12:17

care if that particular episode

12:20

was written by the person who originally created

12:22

the character or not. So

12:24

so to me, I don't I don't feel

12:26

like I as a viewer,

12:28

oh the writer's anything.

12:30

If that, I just feel like I am a voyeur.

12:33

So I don't get to like,

12:37

I don't get to say, oh

12:41

why, It's like I

12:45

almost try to suspend.

12:47

That.

12:48

I like, Okay, I don't know how to say this properly.

12:50

I'm watching real life

12:52

play out on Gilmore Girls, so I

12:54

don't really get to say, how dare she go

12:56

back to him? She did, so

13:00

it's like, Okay, I'm in because that's what

13:02

she did, right, But I think.

13:04

We're still allowed to have an opinion on

13:06

that.

13:06

Course of course. I'm just saying

13:09

for me, that ending

13:13

was not as horrible as

13:15

I'm seeing most people felt it

13:18

was. I was sort of like, oh

13:20

wow, twisty twist,

13:23

what's gonna happen next?

13:26

I mean, I guess for me, the ending was

13:28

horrifying because it didn't

13:30

need to get to that point. You

13:33

know, if there had

13:35

been a conversation earlier

13:37

in the season, we

13:39

didn't have to get to this

13:41

point where the two of them just completely

13:44

blow each other apart.

13:48

I just think it was very relatable.

13:51

I know so many girls that break

13:53

up with their significant

13:55

other and immediately call,

13:59

maybe not the very same day, So I'll give

14:01

you that a TV because

14:04

you know whatever, call their

14:06

high school boyfriend, call their ex.

14:08

I mean, everybody like that's such a sort of cliche,

14:11

like so many girls go running

14:13

back to that the guy that always opens

14:15

the door for him. So

14:18

I didn't find it that outland dish.

14:20

And you know, obviously, look there's thousands

14:22

of comments of people that disagree with me.

14:25

But I was like that tracks she

14:27

got in this big fight, and of course she's going to run to Christopher.

14:30

I mean, it may have been predictable

14:33

because she was she knew that Christopher

14:35

was not going to turn her away, like she knew

14:38

that Christopher was not going to reject her like Luke

14:41

just had. But that doesn't

14:43

mean it's not disappointing. Just because you can see it

14:45

coming doesn't mean it's not.

14:47

Yeah, I guess, I guess. Yeah. That's that's

14:50

sort of the interesting conversation. And I'm glad we're talking

14:52

about it because I wasn't disappointed. That's

14:54

not the word I would use. I was more

14:56

like, oh, you

15:00

know, like whoa.

15:02

And on the other end, I didn't even feel that Like

15:04

I wasn't disappointed. I didn't feel like whoa.

15:07

I just was annoyed, annoyed,

15:10

annoyed.

15:13

I don't know. After the bathroom, I think that bathroom

15:15

scene was important

15:18

because of the arm touch and you're like, oh

15:20

man, there's still a little something there and

15:24

when this explodes, just going

15:26

right back to him. I don't know, Scott,

15:28

like you know, now that it's been

15:30

a week, how do you what's

15:33

been going through your mind?

15:40

A hell of a thing to do to the dream couple. It's

15:43

a hell of a thing to do. Very

15:45

risky, I think from a writer's standpoint

15:47

and storytelling standpoint, it's very very risky

15:50

what they do, and I think it shows

15:52

that they have a lot of faith in Lauren

15:56

as an actress and a lot of faith in me as

15:59

an actor. Yeah,

16:01

somehow find our way back

16:05

to each other in season seven

16:11

over time.

16:13

Yeah, that's a good point.

16:15

So you could look at it that way. Yeah,

16:17

you know, like, let's see how good these guys

16:19

are, you know, because if

16:21

they aren't, nobody's going to believe this,

16:24

because this is a really extreme way

16:26

to end season six.

16:28

So that brings me to this question for

16:30

you guys. So a lot of times

16:32

in shows they sort of know, like

16:35

and especially these days, they know when they're going to

16:37

end it, so that I think it's easier

16:39

to write the show when you know, there's sort

16:42

of an ending at year four, year

16:44

eight, year seven, whatever it is. Do

16:46

you think maybe Amy and Dan thought

16:49

they might come back and that

16:51

would be the final season, so they can't

16:54

They didn't end season six with

16:57

everything hunky dory, because then what are

16:59

they doing and see and seven? Do

17:02

you think there's any chance they intentionally

17:04

broke them up to have the final

17:06

season be them finding their way back

17:09

to one another?

17:10

So here's in

17:13

a negotiation, any negotiation,

17:15

you have to be willing to walk away to go what you really

17:18

want, right, Yeah, And they

17:20

were willing to walk away, and they

17:22

drew a line in the sand, and

17:26

you know, they they didn't get

17:29

their two year deal. They didn't get what they wanted,

17:31

and they said, well that's it then, and

17:34

you know respect for that, right.

17:37

I guess then that would mean seven to eight they

17:39

wanted to go two more.

17:42

Oh yeah, probably beyond that.

17:44

I mean the advertisers were screaming at

17:46

Warner Brothers to bring that show back for multiple

17:48

years.

17:49

Wow.

17:50

They weren't interested in seeing pilots of

17:52

new shows. They wanted Gilmour back

17:55

probably for you know, four years,

17:57

five years after season

18:00

I mean, it could have gone fifteen seasons, they

18:02

just wanted more of it, you

18:04

know, and people,

18:08

you know, these highly intelligent, highly

18:10

creative people, don't

18:12

want to do it for fifteen right right,

18:14

right, no, right, seven,

18:17

seven, eight, Max. Probably, I

18:20

mean that's probably a hard show to do, exhausting.

18:23

They didn't sleep. They Yeah, it's

18:26

hard. That's a that's a

18:28

hard that's a tall order, you know.

18:30

So before we start talking to everybody,

18:32

which we're going to your Scott's going to

18:35

Danielle, what

18:38

do you and you have no idea what

18:40

do you see coming in season

18:42

seven? If you were to like just make

18:45

your guesses. I

18:50

see.

18:53

Logan going to London, Rory

18:56

visiting him a few times,

18:59

something happening that's

19:01

going to break them up. And it's

19:03

not just as simple as long distance. It's like,

19:07

I don't know, like he

19:10

cheats on her or just some something

19:12

like that happens where they

19:14

break up and Rory's devastated,

19:18

and then I'm hopeful that by the end

19:20

of the season, in the end of the

19:22

series, just somehow comes back

19:24

in the pad. So that's

19:27

that's why storyline number one, sorry,

19:30

I've actually thought about this. Storyline

19:34

number two. I

19:36

don't think Luke and Laura Lai are

19:38

going to find their way back to each other. I think the damage

19:41

has been done and

19:43

I'm not hopeful for that relationship.

19:48

I weirdly think that.

19:50

But a show, how

19:53

do you? How do you? You've

19:55

got to have a show that's

19:57

a big part of the show.

19:58

Now, the show is them trying to give together and

20:00

just doesn't work out.

20:02

Mm hmm.

20:04

I mean and look probably wrong, so whatever,

20:06

But this is.

20:09

My guess is you haven't

20:11

seen it.

20:12

No, I don't know anything. She's

20:14

just giving her guesses.

20:15

Now I feel like I'm massively wrong, which

20:17

is a bummer or not a bummer.

20:20

But and then I do

20:22

weirdly think that April is going to like try

20:24

to like smooth over their relationship,

20:27

like she's gonna just jump in and be like

20:30

lorl like like I think

20:32

she's going to just try to somehow be.

20:36

Cool.

20:37

What do you think of Christopher and Lorelai? What's gonna happen

20:39

with them?

20:41

I think I don't.

20:44

I don't think much about that, like

20:46

in the sense of I don't think she's

20:49

gonna try to be with him or

20:52

or.

20:54

Yeah, I don't.

20:55

I don't really see much happening there outside

20:57

of what they already do, right, Yeah.

21:02

Can you give me like no, absolutely

21:05

not Suzanne, after like you

21:07

know, and then Scott's going to talk to everybody

21:09

and I'm sure they're going to give him an earful.

21:11

But Suzanne, what are your

21:13

thoughts like after last you know, week's

21:16

episode and like where your head is at?

21:20

Well, So, I

21:23

I didn't realize that we weren't doing a recap

21:25

today, So I actually watched the oh.

21:27

You cheated pumpkin Eater?

21:28

Oh I didn't.

21:29

I thought we were reaching.

21:30

But you can't talk about it right now.

21:32

So I know I'm not going to talk about it, but I

21:36

I do appreciate the fact that you know, it

21:38

was a season. The season ender

21:40

was a typical cliffhanger, like

21:42

I'm half of me is thinking, I

21:45

really want to find out that this

21:47

whole Christopher thing was just a dream, Like

21:49

You're gonna wake up and she's

21:51

back at Sukie's house or something. So

21:54

I I personally

21:57

a lot of people don't like season seven. I

21:59

don't like the first couple episodes of it, but

22:01

I actually, overall, I do like season seven.

22:04

There's some great stuff in season seven, so I'm

22:07

kind of looking forward to seeing everybody.

22:09

Yeah, I never had a problem with it, and Scott

22:11

like where, like, can

22:15

is it coming back to you? Or are you like apprehensive?

22:18

Now I have no idea. It's

22:21

as if I've never acted

22:23

in this sho so I don't remember

22:25

what happens in season seven.

22:26

Are you nervous, No, you're

22:29

just ready to get into it.

22:32

Yeah, No, I'm not nervous. I'm eager

22:34

to I'm curious. I'm

22:36

hopefull, you know. I mean, I know

22:38

we eventually get married, like you know, ninety

22:41

years later, but right because I can't

22:43

be that bad, right.

22:44

Well, so that's the one

22:46

thing I sort of wanted to like address

22:49

because it keeps coming into my mind.

22:51

And Danielle, you don't need to take your headphones off. But

22:54

there's a little bit of a spoiler the way

22:57

the series the movies end,

23:00

Suzanne, I've been thinking

23:02

about so much because

23:05

from what I understand, it's how the show

23:07

was supposed to end. Is

23:09

that what? It's

23:11

such a great ending to season

23:13

seven and such sort of a

23:16

weird ending to the movies.

23:19

Yes, So I've

23:21

just eve been thinking about that so

23:24

much as we're entering season seven now

23:26

with hindsight knowing how

23:28

they wanted to end.

23:29

It, right, It makes a

23:31

different impact when

23:33

you're at a different age, the character

23:36

is at a different age. Yeah,

23:39

I'm kind of looking forward to

23:41

to watching those again because I actually enjoyed

23:43

the movie, so I think it'll be a fun conversation

23:45

when we get there for sure.

23:47

Okay, well, Scott, we're

23:49

bringing in everybody to talk to you, all right.

23:52

I can't wait to meet them.

24:01

Hi, Lauren, how are you nice to meet you?

24:04

I'm good. It's nice to meet you.

24:06

Where are you calling in from?

24:08

I am in New York City?

24:10

Ah, the Big Apple? All right? Yeah,

24:13

all right, so laying honest, man, what

24:19

what you got? What you got?

24:21

I was hoping you guys could

24:23

compare the first and second halves

24:26

of Season six. I

24:29

feel like there's a pretty strong parallel

24:32

between what Luke is dealing

24:34

with with Loralai and Rory and

24:36

then what Loralai deals with

24:39

with Luke and April. But I feel

24:41

like it it's been my opinion

24:44

that the writers always intended that to be

24:46

like a juxtaposition between the two, and

24:48

then I feel like Luke

24:50

was ultimately more forbearing

24:52

and more patient with that, and then Loralai sort

24:55

of spirals downwards. But that's

24:57

probably a controversial opinion, So I just

25:00

I was helping you guys can kind of compare those

25:02

two storylines for

25:04

me, So.

25:06

That's an interesting comment. I

25:08

think that for

25:11

me, the big difference is that

25:14

when Laurela I was dealing with the separation

25:17

from Rory, there was a defined

25:20

end point in that, so

25:22

she told Luke that she needed

25:24

to wait to move forward until things

25:27

were right with Rory, Whereas

25:30

with the Luke and

25:32

April situation, Luke

25:35

wasn't really seeing what

25:38

an impact he was having on Laurel

25:40

I, and there wasn't really like a defined

25:43

endpoint at which he was

25:45

going to bring her in. So to

25:48

me, that's kind of what

25:50

the difference between the two

25:52

is.

25:54

We all know how I feel because

25:56

I feel

25:59

so it's a double standard

26:02

for me, or you know, like why

26:05

did Luke just

26:09

patiently deal right

26:11

like he's just like I'm

26:14

gonna push off my needs.

26:17

I'm here to support you and

26:19

Rory. I mean, even to the point where one

26:21

of the reasons Lorli proposes

26:23

to him is because he's so fiercely

26:26

loyal to her in supporting

26:29

the situation with Rory. So I've always

26:31

had more of an issue as

26:34

everybody knows and screams at me

26:38

that Lorli didn't give him

26:40

the same thing. Yes,

26:42

I understand, like she's hurt and he's

26:44

not including her where she did

26:47

include him. But

26:49

I've always felt like we like, let's

26:52

give him the same grace, right, the

26:54

same everything. And I think

26:56

if you're in a true partnership, then

26:59

you put your her own needs a side

27:01

when your partner is going through something

27:04

so significant. And I always felt like Luke

27:06

did that and Loralai

27:09

didn't.

27:11

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I also feel

27:13

like he pushed her a little bit on his frustrations

27:16

versus her silence and then sort of

27:18

implusion.

27:20

So yeah, I mean I think about

27:22

this in the following

27:24

way. Is Luke

27:27

staying is the charter? Are

27:30

the writers honoring the character of Luke?

27:32

Is Luke acting

27:35

in a way that is consistent

27:38

with his character in

27:40

that he displays

27:42

this in this

27:43

this incredible patience

27:46

over an eight year period waiting

27:50

for Loralai. And

27:53

you could say that there's that's passion,

27:58

that's committed, that's patience,

28:01

that's everything you want in

28:03

a partner, steadfastness,

28:05

faith, And

28:09

I think it proves that he will never even

28:12

think about another woman the

28:14

rest of his life. And

28:17

I think that's what he that's what that

28:19

character establishes in the first

28:24

you first five seasons, and then up

28:26

until the April thing. And I think his

28:28

character doesn't change at

28:31

all because April

28:34

arrives and now

28:37

he's giving her

28:39

the time, and and it's another

28:42

selfless act. He's a very selfless

28:44

character. He doesn't put himself

28:46

first. He puts people

28:48

he loves first. Laura, I was

28:50

always first. I'm

28:53

going to wait for her. I'm

28:55

going to gamble that she is.

28:57

I'm going to wait it out and gamble that she's going to

29:00

be mine one day. And

29:02

if she isn't, I don't care. I don't want anybody

29:04

else. And now here's April, and I'm going

29:06

to like, Okay, now I'm going to pay attention

29:09

to her. He doesn't have the capacity to do both.

29:11

He's in a situation where

29:13

life has thrown him a curveball, and

29:17

I don't know that it's that he doesn't react

29:19

well to it. He just

29:22

does what he does, which is he

29:24

becomes He remains this selfless,

29:27

steadfast figure who

29:29

wants to be a rock in his daughter's life,

29:32

and he wants to establish a relationship

29:34

with her that's solid and grounded

29:37

because he doesn't know what she's getting

29:39

at home from from

29:41

Anna, and he wants

29:43

to make sure that he's a port

29:46

in the storm,

29:49

and that takes time to establish, and he understands

29:52

that. And I was disappointed

29:55

that Laurel and I understand in a relationship,

29:57

it's frustrating, and Laurela has every right to

30:00

to feel the way she feels, but I

30:04

was always surprised that she didn't really understand

30:06

that about him.

30:08

I think that Suzanne and Lauren,

30:10

I'm curious what you guys think of this. The

30:12

fans that are so quick to be

30:15

sort of mad at Luke and

30:17

team Lareli, are

30:20

they not taking into

30:22

account what a major thing

30:25

this is like To me, this is

30:27

life altering. The world

30:29

has stopped. He just found out he has

30:31

a kid. And I know, like Suzanne,

30:34

you you have like a sort of a

30:36

different take on it. But

30:38

for me, it's so like if

30:40

I were Laurli, I would be like, take

30:43

a year, take two years, take

30:45

whatever you need to feel

30:48

comfortable with your daughter, and

30:51

will be good because we have forever.

30:54

I don't know, That's what I

30:55

don't I don't think I would feel

30:57

that patient, but at the same time, I think I would try

30:59

to communicate that

31:03

she just didn't say anything until she couldn't

31:05

take it anymore, and so I.

31:07

Completely agree with that

31:09

that was That was it for me too, was

31:11

because she was being quiet

31:14

that whole time, because that's what

31:16

Luke wanted. Like Luke didn't want

31:18

her. She was she thought she was

31:20

supporting him and in

31:23

forming his relationship with April, but

31:25

then you know, she waited so

31:27

long and he wouldn't

31:31

let her in that

31:34

it just eventually came to a head.

31:36

And I completely agreed

31:38

there should have been a conversation way

31:40

earlier. She should not have just let it go

31:43

until the point where she just explodes all

31:45

over him. She should have, you

31:47

know, stood up for what she was feeling and

31:49

not not in a mean or aggressive way

31:52

or demanding to be with April or anything

31:55

like that, but just sort of like the conversation

31:57

that they started to have at Martha's vineyard,

32:00

she was like, I just don't think this wedding is going to happen.

32:02

Like I wish they could have kind of continued

32:05

that discussion again so that

32:07

he could see the impact that the whole

32:09

thing was having on her.

32:11

I think, do you think the writers

32:14

intended the juxtaposition

32:16

like between the the two

32:19

of the seasons.

32:20

I do, because that's

32:22

why I see the hypocrisy. Like

32:26

Luke was so there

32:29

when Lorala I was in this traumatic

32:33

situation and patient, and

32:35

yes he communicated how

32:37

he was feeling better than she did. But

32:41

then when the roles were reversed,

32:43

she didn't, in my opinion,

32:45

just my opinion, quite level up

32:48

to what he had done when

32:50

he was in when she was in a situation.

32:53

And that's just how I saw it.

32:56

I think, I think it was

32:58

intentional, and I just I feel like I have

33:00

to point out that the whole situation even started

33:03

because Luke is the one that didn't communicate

33:05

about April, Like that's

33:08

kind of what set the whole thing off. So he didn't

33:10

communicate with her about April, and then she didn't

33:13

communicate, well.

33:13

She didn't communicate right away that there was a problem

33:16

between her and Rory. I can't remember. I mean, she doesn't

33:18

communicate to the town. But there was one secret.

33:20

There was one instance where Luke did

33:22

try to tell her, but there was an interruption.

33:26

Yeah, that happens a couple of times.

33:28

Yeah, it does happen a couple of times.

33:30

He did try a few times, but

33:32

she kept trying.

33:33

I mean, but it's

33:36

also what a big scary thing. I

33:39

don't know. I think everyone's so quick to be like he should

33:41

have just told her.

33:42

I think you see like the best of Luke

33:44

in the first half and then like the worst. It's sort

33:47

of like him and his absolute, you

33:49

know, most magnificent, supportive and then

33:51

all of his communication failures

33:53

that he struggles with.

33:55

I never saw it as the worst of him. That's just

33:57

me, and I know everybody just like guts me for it.

34:00

But I just see a person trying

34:02

to deal with something that's so humongous,

34:05

and like you, when you are in real life

34:07

and you're dealing with that, You're not going to do it

34:09

perfectly. You're going to probably mess

34:12

it up super bad. You look

34:14

like Lowerli with brown eyes.

34:17

Oh thanks, they're green, but I'll take that.

34:19

Oh sorry, this is zoom, but I just got

34:21

blue.

34:23

Oh oh my gosh, what

34:25

do you do in New York? Are you?

34:27

I am a stay at home mom to four kids.

34:29

Oh nice?

34:31

So yeah,

34:34

it's it's crazy.

34:37

How did you even find the time or

34:39

peace to join our show.

34:42

My husband was really excited for me. So

34:44

if you took the kids outside,

34:48

what age is ten,

34:51

eight, six and three?

34:53

Oh god? In

34:55

the city or out bedrooms?

34:57

Did you see rooms on the Upper West Side?

35:00

Oh my gosh, wait,

35:03

kids in one bedroom?

35:05

Yeah?

35:06

Yeah, bunk beds.

35:08

You know.

35:09

I know all my friends from New York are like, it's

35:12

totally fine. They moved to LA

35:14

and they're like, I live in a mansion and it's like

35:16

a two bedroom department. They're like,

35:18

like.

35:19

I was raised in Orange County, so I do

35:22

sort of know the opposite option, and

35:25

I've chosen this. So it was the Gilmore Girls.

35:27

They gave me the East Coast desire.

35:30

So sweet.

35:31

Before you go, how do you feel about season seven?

35:33

Have you seen that last week?

35:35

I actually, after I listened

35:37

to your recap, I just binged

35:39

season seven. I

35:43

feel like you have to get it out of your system

35:46

and you can't start it, like you can't take it

35:48

slowly. I feel for you guys, because it's so painful

35:51

and then it gets better. But I

35:54

feel okay about season

35:56

seven. When it first aired, I was in high

35:58

school and it was honestly more than

36:00

my heart could handle. I

36:03

was really I was really angsty about

36:05

it. But now that I'm you know, an

36:07

adult, I feel I

36:09

feel better about it.

36:10

Yeah, we let Danielle go because we were

36:12

we didn't want to in case there are spoilers.

36:15

Daniel we didn't let her go, but we let her go to Day

36:18

No Longer with the podcast.

36:22

Where was that, you know, paranoid.

36:27

Lose her?

36:28

Yeah, because we want people to be able to like speak freely,

36:30

and it's really hard to sort of analyze

36:32

the whole show without analyzing the whole

36:34

show. But well that's what I felt like.

36:36

I was like, now I have to do this in context

36:38

of like, I think Christopher is just

36:41

something she's got to get out of her system.

36:43

Do you do you hate Christopher

36:45

like Susanna.

36:46

Like so much?

36:48

Like I can't.

36:49

I cannot handle him.

36:52

No, Scott Luke

36:54

was my first crush. I was very you

36:56

know, impressionable age and

36:58

Christopher was so I was like, he's

37:01

so easy, and I'm

37:05

like the.

37:05

Only person that likes Christopher

37:07

in the universe. But I don't. I

37:10

like Luke better obviously, but.

37:12

We need to get you into rehab.

37:14

I know it's okay to like

37:16

him, it's just not okay for her. To end up with

37:18

Laurela I like.

37:21

She does.

37:22

Yeah, and I can say, by the way, I think all the

37:24

haters who don't like you are not

37:26

true Gilmore fans because you have Lorelai

37:29

energy.

37:30

Thank you so much, Laura that

37:33

thank you.

37:34

They are Russian Russian

37:36

bots and they are rival

37:39

the Gilmour podcasts.

37:41

Pretty specific for being boughts.

37:43

But it's

37:46

okay. I can take it. I only cry every

37:48

single Monday. It's fine.

37:53

It's my job to read it. But thank you. And I do

37:56

think. Look, look, Laurel, I went back

37:58

to him, So maybe I I'm Laura

38:00

Ali because I get it. I get

38:02

it, I get it. I

38:04

think you're right about getting it out of her system

38:07

again and again and again.

38:10

Why did they have to make us watch? That's

38:15

the thing. Couldn't they have just like, you

38:17

know, after the fact, and we could

38:19

figure it out and piece it together and then go

38:22

or oh.

38:22

It's so funny. It's not hard for me to watch

38:24

them, because I hear Lauren saying that,

38:26

like, oh it's hard to watch, and I'm like, isn't

38:29

they're sort of cute?

38:30

Can't we they give us a chance to turn away?

38:32

They're too similar, like they're they're made

38:35

of the same stuff.

38:36

Right, Yeah, that's true.

38:37

It's like too much of the you

38:39

know, the shtick and like that balance.

38:42

So I don't know that's a good take,

38:45

actually, Lauren, I don't know what Queen

38:47

Suzanne thinks on that. But there

38:49

there, that's a good take.

38:52

I guess somebody interrupted me. So I didn't hear

38:54

it.

38:54

Suzanne just in the bathroom throwing up because were talking about

38:56

this. She

38:59

hears Kristph walk in say

39:01

goadbye, oh mister Susanne. I

39:03

had to interrupt us with his loved

39:07

Lauren.

39:08

You rock.

39:09

Oh, thank you so you guys. It's Monday

39:12

mornings. It's like a highlight when I see

39:14

that new episode every Monday.

39:17

No, thanks so much.

39:18

Get ready for season seven.

39:20

I can't wait.

39:21

I can't wait. All right, Well, thank you guys

39:23

so much.

39:24

Okay, best of the little ones.

39:26

Thank you bye.

39:37

Dorothy.

39:38

Hello, it's so nice

39:40

to meet you.

39:42

So nice to have you back where we

39:44

belong. Nice

39:47

to see you, Dorothy. Where are you calling.

39:49

From Malvern, Pennsylvania?

39:51

Malvern?

39:52

Yeah, you're probably familiar with that

39:54

area.

39:55

We had family friends from Malvern.

39:58

No way, real way way,

40:01

Oh my goodness.

40:02

Yeah. Well, My first experience

40:06

at sleepover Camp, when I was like nine

40:09

years old, was with my good

40:11

buddy from Malvern.

40:13

Wow, that is so funny.

40:15

Did you go to Malvern Prep?

40:16

I did not. I'm not. I didn't grow up here.

40:19

We're raising our kids here. I'm originally

40:21

from Long Island, New York.

40:22

One home, Long Island. They

40:29

so, what do you got for us? Dorothy?

40:31

So I have two questions for

40:33

you. When did Amy and

40:35

Dan actually know they weren't coming

40:37

back to be there to write

40:40

it?

40:41

I can't. I don't

40:43

know. I've been jogging my memory

40:46

and I just don't know. I don't

40:49

know. I don't think that anybody really knew.

40:52

But I do recall them

40:56

telling us individually that they

40:58

were moving on and that they you

41:01

know, and the reasons why, and it was it was very

41:03

emotional.

41:06

Did they tell you during season six?

41:09

I can't remember. I don't think

41:11

it was during season six, but

41:16

maybe during the hiatus we

41:18

got a phone call or I got a phone call, or

41:20

we had a lunch something like that.

41:22

It's not It's not very clear to me, but I

41:25

just remember nothing

41:28

like that happened during filming for

41:32

me anyway, And

41:34

I wish I just had a better memory

41:37

of how I found out or so.

41:42

You know, these negotiations are protracted, they're

41:44

they're very long, and they can last.

41:47

It probably lasted the entire

41:49

hiatus right up until you

41:52

know, they had to reassemble

41:54

the writing team and going

41:57

on their twenty two scripts because you can't

41:59

let too much time lag before you go back

42:01

into production. You know, you got to you got to build up

42:04

your inventory of scripts.

42:05

And that's right, they got a writing way

42:08

ahead before.

42:08

You way

42:10

ahead. Yeah, because that's twenty two episodes. That's

42:12

not like now it's easier, it's ten. It's

42:15

still rough now. If you don't, if

42:17

you don't get ahead of it, you

42:19

get behind schedule, and it's chaos. It's

42:21

just total chaos.

42:22

I can imagine.

42:24

Yeah. So but it was a big deal. Yeah,

42:26

it was a big deal.

42:29

Did they have a contract for six

42:31

seasons and then they needed.

42:32

To do everybody?

42:34

Did you all did?

42:36

Yeah? Every that's the that's the

42:38

standard contract that you signed. It has

42:40

six renewable options I'm sorry,

42:43

five renewable option years. There's

42:45

either a you either get a six year deal or a seven

42:48

year deal. They

42:51

obviously had a six year deal. I

42:54

think I had a seven year deal,

42:57

and every all the actors had a seven seven year

42:59

deals and they had to renegotiate on eighth.

43:03

So but

43:05

it could have been six and we renegotiated

43:07

on a one year deal for a seven.

43:10

And you wouldn't really know what's happening with someone else's

43:12

deal. You're kind of doing your own deal,

43:15

and you would never know that someone else's

43:17

deal might be going sideways.

43:19

So you all don't know what's going on with everybody

43:22

else. It's just your

43:24

own contract. And then.

43:27

You know, your attorney

43:30

can call somebody else's attorney's negotiating,

43:32

find out where they are and what's going on this kind

43:34

of thing, and compare notes because that can be

43:36

advantageous in both

43:39

negotiations. But

43:42

no, no, nobody. I didn't know what

43:44

was going on with Amy and Dance negotiations.

43:46

It was just a shock. I remember

43:48

just being shocked that they didn't get a two year deal,

43:51

which is standard on a hit show.

43:54

After six seasons, to get a two year deal,

43:56

it's really sort of the standard.

43:59

They felt very well,

44:03

they just felt like they had to move on. They had other stories

44:05

to tell me.

44:07

I wonder did they you

44:09

know, knowing well, I guess

44:11

they didn't know by the end of season

44:14

six, or did they know by the end of season six

44:16

things weren't going to work out.

44:18

I don't know it.

44:19

We're going to continue without them, I

44:21

think just hanging.

44:23

But how long can you, you know,

44:25

continue to entertain a one year

44:28

deal offer? That's not a lot of faith there

44:30

from the studio. Yeah, like, look

44:32

what we you know, you guys are making a bundle

44:34

off this show or you know you're now

44:36

in the in the black and

44:39

and things are good and you've got

44:41

a syndication deal and the DVD

44:43

money is good, and like, what come on, guys? You know

44:46

the advertisers putting a lot of pressure to bring the show

44:48

back for multiple years. You can't give us

44:50

a two year deal. I mean really, I mean

44:52

you want to risk the

44:54

quality of the show with like, you know, running

44:56

us out of town, and you know you

45:00

cannot you can't function under a one year deal.

45:02

You just can't do it.

45:03

Yeah, So they walked, So they.

45:06

Walked, Yeah their credit they walked. Yeah.

45:08

Yeah. So the cast you found

45:10

out probably during hiatus,

45:13

how was what was the vibe your all

45:15

of you coming back your first day filming

45:18

for season seven? I mean, how

45:20

did you all feel. I can imagine

45:22

how you felt.

45:23

But well,

45:26

listen, a it's always good to have a job, a

45:28

steady job in that town. They're hard to

45:30

get. And uh,

45:33

yeah, we were a little anxious. The

45:36

scripts were really good, they were really strong. Uh

45:41

you know, we we

45:43

we just had a lot of faith. I

45:45

mean, you've got us be positive and stay positive

45:48

to do that job anyway, you know,

45:50

to come into work and you know, to give them twelve

45:52

hours or fourteen hours everything you got and

45:55

then come back next day, do same thing, next

45:57

day, do same thing. You know. They're

45:59

really can't be resistance,

46:01

you know. It's like you got to be all in. Yeah,

46:04

and you have to stay positive. And it's like,

46:07

okay, this happened. They're not

46:09

here anymore. We have a new reality.

46:11

Let's make the best of this.

46:13

And the guy that comes in isn't a stranger to

46:15

you all, which helped.

46:17

Yeah, we know, and he'd written some great

46:19

episodes.

46:20

Okay, yeah, I was going to ask, did you know who the

46:22

new writer was?

46:23

Oh?

46:23

Sure, yeah, yeah yeah.

46:24

And he's taking Amy and

46:27

Dan's baby and just kind of finishing

46:30

it.

46:30

Off for that Yeah, like he was.

46:33

They chose him you

46:35

know, with their blessing, it's

46:38

like he can handle this. Yeah,

46:40

okay, and yeah, so I'm

46:43

really eager to see and watch these

46:45

season seven episodes because I'll, you know, I'll

46:48

be very interested to see how how how it

46:50

comes off.

46:51

It's a rollercoaster of ari just as

46:55

but you know, it is what it is,

46:57

and it's the story and you

46:59

know, the Gilmore Girls story,

47:02

and I love it. It just

47:04

it is what it is, and right right, hey,

47:06

I enjoyed it. There are some episodes

47:08

I don't like, and

47:10

there were some I didn't like in season

47:13

six, but watch them. I

47:15

don't watch them and just move on to the

47:17

next one.

47:19

Listen, You're always going to get a bunch of laughs,

47:21

even if the story kareems

47:25

off the road a little bit. You

47:29

know, you're always going to get your twenty laughs in there.

47:32

You are that there are episodes

47:35

and I'm like, I don't want to watch this one, and then

47:37

I watch it and I'm like, you know, it's better

47:39

than I remember, and it's and

47:42

exactly, it's a great show.

47:44

Yeah, I've watched some stinker episodes,

47:47

but I laughed all the way through. Yeah,

47:49

and it's like it's a joy it's a real

47:51

joy because they're funny.

47:53

They really are.

47:54

Those palatines are. They have the best

47:56

sense of humor. They're hysterically funny. Great

47:58

writers they do.

48:00

And you know, I get most of them and

48:03

a lot of their your pop culture

48:05

references, some of the stuff. I'm

48:07

like, oh, that is so clever.

48:09

They right, right,

48:13

you come up with some great It's not

48:15

fair. It's just not fair to two

48:17

brains that work like that working together.

48:20

It's not fair. It's not a fair fight,

48:22

right, it's not.

48:24

It's not.

48:25

So it's really no surprise

48:27

to me that they went on and did what they

48:29

did with with MASL And yeah,

48:33

it's not a.

48:33

Surprise, and they are a new one that you're

48:35

doing now, So it's you know, they're

48:38

working on at least we hear.

48:40

And you know, I remember sending Amy

48:43

a very long email after they left

48:45

about how much

48:47

I believe in her and what's

48:50

coming for them and for her and

48:53

the golden statues that are you

48:55

know, waiting patiently the

48:58

engraver to engrave

49:01

their names on those statues.

49:03

And it happened, and I knew it would happen. Yeah,

49:05

they just needed to get

49:08

you know, they needed to tell these

49:11

other stories because it wasn't happening

49:14

with Gilmore Girls. They weren't getting the

49:17

recognition they deserved. And I'm

49:19

sure you know it

49:21

was a bittersweet parting, but it was

49:23

like, I think they were excited for the new opportunities

49:26

because they didn't know. It's wide open, right, they didn't

49:28

know. I mean, they did Bunheads

49:31

and that only lasted what a year or two? And then they

49:33

did another thing.

49:34

They did another thing with my bun Heads,

49:37

Right, did you watch Bunheads?

49:39

I did not know.

49:41

It's pretty good. I'm not gonna lie.

49:43

I always come late to the party, so I

49:46

didn't watch Gilmore Girls when it was airing.

49:49

I was raising little kids at the time and

49:51

was too exhausted. So I came,

49:54

oh, gosh, I don't know, maybe twenty

49:56

twelve or so, I started watching all

49:59

the reruns of them and just fell

50:02

in love with the show. And I've watched it.

50:04

Oh, I can't tell you how many times I've watched

50:06

it.

50:07

I love that.

50:09

But I've seen some Missus masl and

50:12

man, that is a good show.

50:14

There is. Well,

50:17

I'm sort of like, I don't know, Scott.

50:19

I'm excited and nervous about season seven.

50:21

But I'm not nervous.

50:23

Next week it's happening.

50:25

Look if they if they're stinker real, we're going to

50:27

chop them up. But good.

50:32

Dorothy, thank you so much.

50:34

Thank you for asking me. I got to show

50:36

you a music.

50:39

We love it.

50:41

I love you guys. I love your podcast.

50:43

You're all so great. Scott,

50:45

Amy, Danielle,

50:48

Suzanne.

50:49

Oh, thank you.

50:50

You guys are great. Listen to you every Monday

50:54

and watch the episodes that

50:56

you're talking about, just so I'm fresh

50:58

with them and I

51:01

just love what you're doing. This is great, and

51:03

just keep it going and then you're in the life. Just

51:05

you know, drag those out.

51:07

We're going to drag it out. We're not going

51:09

anywhere.

51:11

Yeah, you got a couple more years going here.

51:13

Thank you so much. Thank you.

51:15

In touch.

51:16

Please please please stay in touch.

51:18

Thank you. It's a pleasure meeting you all.

51:20

Take care. Hi

51:32

Michelle, Hi, Hi,

51:34

how are you guys? Good? Where are you calling

51:37

from.

51:37

From Edmonton, Alberta, Canada?

51:40

Oh my goodness,

51:45

where you were? What Canada

51:49

is Edmondton, Halifax?

51:51

Yeah?

51:52

No, no, no, no, no, I'm.

51:54

Close to the Rockies. Actually, oh yeah,

51:57

I'm about four hour drive away. From Jasper

52:00

baths. I don't know if you're yeah,

52:04

yeah, it's about zero today.

52:06

I guess you're

52:08

up there.

52:10

Yeah, it's cold, it's cold.

52:12

What can you do? Right?

52:13

So?

52:13

You can play hockey,

52:17

hiking, I love hockey.

52:19

You can do all kinds of stuff that you.

52:21

Can give us a juicy Gilmore girls question.

52:24

Oh yeah, yeah, right, you can talk.

52:28

I can also confirm that snow has

52:31

a definite smell for sure, I

52:33

smell.

52:34

I agree with that.

52:35

I do.

52:37

So.

52:37

Yeah.

52:37

So I came up with my question

52:40

just kind of based on the conversation

52:43

between Lenny and Laureli in the car, the

52:45

impromptu session they had. And

52:48

you know, I was reading the comments after your

52:51

your podcast about the episode, and a lot of people

52:53

were piling on Luke and Laureli,

52:55

and I thought, wait a minute, what's

52:57

Lenny's role in all of this? Like they

53:00

you know, Lenny saidator,

53:05

yeah, I mean, well

53:07

we had Laurel. I say, I could lose him if I pushed

53:09

too hard, and then Lenny said, well,

53:12

it doesn't look like you have him right now, and

53:15

you know, then she goes, things don't always

53:18

work out the way we want them to. So I

53:20

don't know, I have a definite opinion on what

53:23

you know, her role was in all of this, but he

53:25

felt.

53:25

Kind of an overstep of a therapist.

53:28

Yeah, and you know, I thought

53:30

she was a little bit cavalier in it,

53:32

you know, giving out her

53:34

advice and stuff. But so

53:37

and you know, if you have a PhD behind

53:39

your name, there's a level of gravitas that comes

53:42

with like a little social responsibility,

53:44

I guess, is what I was thinking.

53:46

So, yeah, that's a good question, Scott, what

53:48

do you think of that? Because pacts

53:51

Luke Lenny really impacts

53:53

Luke.

53:54

I agree with Michelle. I think there's

53:56

a lawsuit there.

53:57

Yeah, a law suit.

54:00

Well, I think for sure it changed the trajectory

54:02

for Laura. And the second part of my question

54:05

was if that whole thing hadn't happened,

54:07

how how would you have imagined her dealing

54:09

with things like when she had just

54:11

gone home and eating a box of pop tarts

54:13

or you.

54:14

Know, let's look

54:16

at how Laurlai handles things.

54:19

Now, let's look back on the historical

54:22

record. How does Laurela I

54:24

handle things? How does she handle stress?

54:27

She's impulsive?

54:28

Let's say she's a little

54:30

bit impulsive, right, Yeah,

54:33

so you

54:37

know, and that and she stays true

54:39

to character.

54:40

And I the only one that would have liked to see Luke

54:43

and you know, I'm team.

54:44

Luke, but just to have teams.

54:48

Almost like I think I talked about

54:50

this, I can't remember if it's like if I talked

54:53

about it on the air or off.

54:54

The air A Rory or

54:56

who are your team Rory? Me or Michelle

54:59

no Amy? Are your team Rory? There

55:03

is? Are there teams with Rory.

55:06

No I'm

55:08

pretty much always all about Laurlai.

55:11

Right, but are you on her team? Because

55:13

there's rivals? Right?

55:16

Here's my question for you, all

55:19

of you, all of you, Okay,

55:21

I want of love for Luke, who is always

55:24

the voice of reason to me, to have

55:26

said kind of hugged her, right or

55:28

you know, because I don't want to say grabbed her because that

55:30

seems like wrong, but sort of grabbed

55:33

her and said, let's take a deep

55:35

breath. Let's just take a deep breath,

55:37

like I love you. You know

55:40

that we are going to figure this out

55:42

and talk to me.

55:44

Yeah, there's no

55:46

drama, of course, I'm just but I'm

55:48

just how

55:51

are you going to piss off the fans if you do that? Which

55:56

is you know, I'm just being glib,

55:59

but it's right.

56:02

I mean, like all intentional, what.

56:04

Would you have liked to have seen?

56:06

Well, I'm kind of on board with you, but to

56:09

take it a step further, I would have preferred

56:11

if she had at least waited till the diner

56:13

was closed. Knowing how private

56:15

Luke is like, that was humiliating

56:18

for him. I felt really bad for him. Actually,

56:20

you know, the public dressing down and stuff like

56:22

that, they for sure had to talk.

56:25

I just would have liked to have seen her,

56:27

you know, wait till there was no customers around

56:29

and done it privately and screened

56:32

at each other, scream at each other in

56:34

the diner when he's not you know, in

56:36

the middle of something or whatever.

56:38

And my flag, which I did throw. I

56:40

did not like the line. I did

56:43

not like her saying she had a staff meeting

56:45

when she didn't. I did not like her making

56:48

you know, miss Patty cover for her. I

56:50

thought that was weird, and I actually

56:52

don't. That didn't track

56:55

with the character for me. I don't really see Laura

56:57

like doing that. Yeah, but she

56:59

did it. But so well, you

57:01

guys, you say

57:03

how you feel.

57:05

I mean, I don't know. I feel

57:07

like if

57:11

that conversation, so I don't know that

57:13

the therapist was necessarily overstepping.

57:15

She did make the point to laurel I that Laurelai

57:18

is the only one that can

57:22

keep waiting, like Lorela needs to make

57:24

a decision as to what she's gonna do and then live

57:26

with the consequences either way. So

57:28

I feel like if that conversation hadn't happened,

57:31

she may not have gone straight to Luke that

57:34

night and and given

57:36

him that ultimatum, But I think it still

57:38

would have boiled over at some point

57:40

somehow, Like she already felt

57:44

crappy before she had

57:46

that conversation with Lenny, So she

57:48

already, like Amy was saying, she was already

57:51

avoiding Luke like it was gonna come to a head

57:53

at some point.

57:56

Yeah, that's true. I

57:58

can see your point for sure. I

58:00

just kind of I just kind of think Lenny kind of steered

58:02

her, like Laura, I was just looking for somebody

58:04

tell me what to do because I'm freaking out, you

58:07

know, right, Because.

58:08

She could have had, as ye

58:10

say, Lenny was like a different type

58:13

of therapist that said take

58:15

a deep breath, like you

58:17

got you've got nothing but time like

58:20

this is who you love, he loves you.

58:22

You have let's hope

58:25

fifty years together. It's

58:27

okay if it takes six more months.

58:30

Like that was sort of my thing is she was so panicky

58:33

when I'm like, I get that she wants

58:35

to have another kid, but I don't think

58:37

the like caluck is ticking quite so bad,

58:40

Like what's the rush?

58:42

Yeah, I know, and I just think, you know, she probably

58:45

worked herself up even more on the drive home

58:47

from from Hartford to stars Hollow.

58:49

Right hotally, Oh my god.

58:53

You know Hurricane Laurela. I blew in And now

58:55

it's like Luke didn't stand a chance.

58:57

But yeah, you are

58:59

you little Lenny, now that I think

59:01

about it.

59:04

No, I mean I'm not irrational. No,

59:07

I'm not paved at her.

59:10

I just thought, I

59:14

mean I just couldn't. I haven't been able to get any

59:16

sleep then since I you know, I just I

59:20

don't know, Lenny. Yeah, I mean we talked about

59:23

it. I thought it was a little bit of an overreach. But I

59:30

just think with this

59:33

kind of.

59:36

It's a TV series, it's a serial,

59:39

it's a it's

59:42

you know, you have to give

59:45

an audience these you

59:47

know, these kind of story beats

59:50

to.

59:51

Keep them engaged. You know, it's

59:55

difficult writing twenty two episodes

59:57

and keeping people hooked. You know, it's really hard.

1:00:01

So I think you

1:00:03

you, maybe in these situations,

1:00:06

are on the side of excess.

1:00:09

I think they there

1:00:12

are a lot of nuance. There's a lot of nuance

1:00:14

and a lot of subtlety and everything that's going on

1:00:16

in the show. But in the big story

1:00:18

beats, I think

1:00:20

you can afford to be a little clumsy

1:00:23

because people really definitively know

1:00:25

that it happened, and they engage

1:00:28

and they talk about it, and they don't like

1:00:31

it, and some defend it,

1:00:33

and it's

1:00:35

all very

1:00:37

It's good for the show if people are engaged

1:00:40

in talking about it, even if they're ticked off.

1:00:43

And I don't think it's so far afield

1:00:46

that it just like kind of knocks people

1:00:48

out of the show. Oh that's so absurd. I'm not going to

1:00:50

watch it again. No, it's just a it's just a

1:00:53

These are.

1:00:56

It's dramatic moves, but they all tract.

1:00:58

For me, right, And

1:01:02

you know, I did really enjoy that scene in the

1:01:04

car. I thought that was, you know, kind of

1:01:06

a nice quiet come down

1:01:08

moment before it escalated again, like, and.

1:01:10

How did you feel about the ending scene?

1:01:12

Am I still on an island? I

1:01:15

was the only one who wasn't that mad

1:01:17

about it.

1:01:18

I was thinking, you know, Christopher was a little

1:01:20

cocky, and don't get too

1:01:22

excited about this. You're

1:01:26

to be there forever without

1:01:28

giving away anything. But yeah, so

1:01:31

yeah, it was really you know, it was seeing

1:01:34

her the look on her face was

1:01:37

like, oh god.

1:01:39

So yeah.

1:01:40

Suzanne had a good call out on that that

1:01:42

it's very similar the beginning

1:01:44

and the end of the episode, so

1:01:47

for sure.

1:01:47

Yeah. If I can just add one more thing

1:01:50

that was kind of sad? Did you

1:01:52

guys find it sad that the one and only

1:01:54

time that lore likes that I love you to Luke

1:01:56

was when she was screaming at him in

1:01:59

the Hired show. And I

1:02:03

just thought, oh, like, he's done so much for

1:02:05

her, you know, saved her dog's life and given

1:02:08

her money and done you know everything.

1:02:11

She's okay,

1:02:13

So this begs a question, do you guys think

1:02:15

that she's terribly sentimental?

1:02:17

M or I think she protects

1:02:20

herself so much.

1:02:21

It's the humor. It's the humor

1:02:23

is her her armor.

1:02:26

Yeah, which which we had

1:02:28

another person on the show that

1:02:32

kind of called out, and

1:02:34

it's making me think that Christopher and

1:02:37

Laura l I both do that sort of sticky

1:02:40

you know, which I always like because I think their banter

1:02:42

is so fun. It's true

1:02:44

they are kind of both doing that where

1:02:47

the reason Luke is so great with

1:02:49

her is he is steady to her,

1:02:52

you know.

1:02:55

You know, oh yeah for sure.

1:02:57

Yeah.

1:02:58

Yeah, and growing up the way she did, she probably

1:03:01

Yeah, she wasn't a sentimental type person,

1:03:03

so.

1:03:03

Yeah, which I won't give anything away, but there are some revelations

1:03:06

in season seven where she starts to sort of realize

1:03:09

some of these things. Yeah,

1:03:11

there are some sort of aha moments

1:03:14

for Morlai coming up.

1:03:15

And the household that she grew up and was

1:03:18

not particularly demonstrative,

1:03:20

like I don't think that Emily and Richard

1:03:22

were ever saying I love you excessively.

1:03:26

You know.

1:03:27

You know, she just didn't grow up in a people

1:03:30

for expressing their affection for each other.

1:03:33

That's true. Even with Rory, she wasn't

1:03:35

overly openly affectionate or anything.

1:03:37

So yeah, she's not sort of smushy mushy.

1:03:40

No, she's not one of those people like

1:03:45

well Amy, I don't know I'm still not a

1:03:47

Christopher family as you are, but you know, I

1:03:50

appreciate what you're saying.

1:03:51

Like I'm trying because I feel

1:03:54

like he's so significant

1:03:57

and I don't find him to be all bad. He's

1:04:00

not great.

1:04:01

Listen, listen, Michelle, We're

1:04:04

going to do an intervention with any Okay,

1:04:10

don't tell her. We're going to surprise her one

1:04:12

day. We're all going to end up in one of her mansions

1:04:15

or one of hers and we're

1:04:17

going to get her in to rehab.

1:04:20

Yeah, we're going to de Christopher,

1:04:23

de Christopher.

1:04:25

We're gonna.

1:04:28

Have you seen some of the nicknames he has among

1:04:30

the fans, God.

1:04:32

Give us a couple.

1:04:33

I actually probably.

1:04:34

Have probably the one of the most predominant

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one and I have. I've gotten so used to typing

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this out. Is exta her?

1:04:40

Yeah, that a couple I

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saw that. It's actually really funny.

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Uh sometimes you refer to him as the C word.

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We don't even actually say his name.

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God, people hate him.

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I know, it's so funny. You

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know, I can kind of see he is. He's cute.

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I'll give him out my he's.

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Charming, and they have this connection and like

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sometimes he redeems himself, like you

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know, he's always there for

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her. I don't know, is ish

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everybody ish?

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I mean, how boring would

1:05:15

it be if nobody liked Christopher right, like

1:05:17

among you guys, Like somebody has got to like

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the guys.

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Right he's a pure villain,

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like you know, he's not a

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villain, he's just sort of hopeless.

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Michelle, you rock. Please stay in touch with

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us.

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Thank you so much for having

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me.

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Gosh, thank you, thank you.

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Take care of.

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Thank yous

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are coming.

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Oh yes, we

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have the coolest people.

1:05:49

That they're

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good. And that's going to wrap part

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one of the call ins.

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The best fans on the planet calling

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in. We get to talk to them, we get to experience

1:06:00

them, we get to enjoy them. Uh

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and we will be back momentarily for

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part two.

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