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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the IO. Get it pod cast.

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It is Ashley and I, but we are just graced by the presence of the real Dale Moss, which is very exciting because I feel like as someone who collusive guests to get this isn't exclusive guests to get.

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I'm so excited to talk to Dale and I, Dale and I have actually met, we'll talk about this in a second, but the reason why I think I am so stoked is because even though you have sort of catapulted in like bachelor nation and fame and other amazing projects that you've done on your own, you still very much have like this mystery surrounding you.

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I think, I don't know. Would you say that Ashley, like, I feel like there's a lot about you that people don't know, which would be fun to like uncover today.

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I think. Totally. Cause I feel like you guys really just did interviews right after the show and then you've guys are, you guys have been really private since, so it's, it's feeling very exclusive to have you on here.

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I love, I love the privacy it's so Beyonce and Jay Z now, but it's also like, let's, I, it's fun to get to know you in the context of like who, just, who you are outside of bachelor nation.

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Not like, you know, with as whatever.

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Yeah. Not as a couple. Cause that's how like people know you as, but anyways, so Dale.

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Yeah, we met what eight years ago now.

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Yeah. I think eight years ago I was living in LA at the time in between teams and training in the off season.

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It's amazing how, how time flies, but also it's amazing to see all the things that you've done since first meeting.

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So it also just things come full circle.

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Right? I know It's so wild. I, we met cause like you were living with someone that my roommate was like friends with sort of like, I think hooking up with like once or twice was that, is that that's how, that's how we met.

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Yeah, actually for my home, from my home state in South Dakota, I was, I was playing with Chicago, but I was out in LA in the off seasons.

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And you know, I, I fell in love with the LA lifestyle a little bit also, like I always wanted to get into film in entertainment.

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I went to school for video production and digital production.

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So big picture.

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My dream is to eventually direct.

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I just think that storytellers have, you know, they have a gift and can really change and influence culture in a major way.

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So that's what brought me out to LA.

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But I ended up going out to New York for different projects with my agency.

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And I think New York got me.

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I've been out there six years. That's wild.

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I can't believe you've lived in New York six years.

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Yeah. I love it. It's not the end. All be all.

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That's for sure.

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But right now it's good.

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So Then what's the end all be all you think, you feel like you want to live outside of a big city?

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I mean, I grew up in South Dakota, small town, but I love the city.

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I think everything.

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I kind of fall in love with every place I go a little bit.

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I'm not gonna lie. I I've grown to love LA a lot more.

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I know I'll be out there a lot more in the future for projects for me though, if I can have a beach in sun, that's the number one thing.

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So I could see myself making my way back west coast, but I love Florida too.

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Oh, Florida.

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Nice. Well, I'm from Florida. I don't know if you know that.

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So yeah. Fun fact. I did not know that.

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Yeah. I grew up in Boca, but, well, let's talk about where you grew up.

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Cause you grew up in South Dakota. Like what was it like growing up in South Dakota for you?

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Are there black people in South Dakota?

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I would, I was one of the few actually until I think my sophomore year in high school, I was the only, the only black kid in my entire school.

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So wasn't way.

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Yeah, our entire school.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah. So it wasn't very diverse, but I always say I love where I grew up.

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We moved to South Dakota when I was really, really young.

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And

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it

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was,

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it

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was,

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it's

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interesting

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how

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far

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we've

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come,

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even

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in

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the

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midst

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of

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everything

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in

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media,

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just

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culturally

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and

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socially,

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but

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it

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was

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very,

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very

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segregated. I mean, for the longest I remember like I couldn't go sleep at my friend's houses until like third grade.

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They thought I was like the bad black kid or, you know, and I think like a lot of things are just people weren't exposed to different cultures, different religions, different things like that.

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But sports and also my older sisters were, were very instrumental in breaking down a lot of those barriers.

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And I think it, it, it just allowed the people to see not only myself, but my entire family in a little bit different light.

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My sister Amber is she's unbelievable and she's five years older than me.

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And she really broke down a lot of barriers.

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She's the reason I'm so involved with special Olympics now, but her spirit and her soul is, is just beautiful.

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And then sports.

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Obviously it was a big thing for me.

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And I think, you know, not only having success with that, but being in a community where everyone really rallied around and supported people made a huge difference, but it was, it was chill.

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I, my, my town was like 8,000 people, you know, farm community.

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So it was, it was definitely different.

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But again, as I got older sports really brought me to a lot of different areas of the country in the world.

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So I got to see a lot outside of the state for sure.

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How old, how many kids were in your school?

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I had 200. We actually had a decent size school.

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I had 200 in my high school.

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Yeah.

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Just

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200

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people. It's 200. I mean the entire state.

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There's how many people, there's not even a million in the entire state of South Dakota.

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So Literally have a wedding with everyone that went to your high school.

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It's like, I

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know the thing that's so special about it though.

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I still have the same friends I've had since kindergarten, first grade, like my homie's Matt and like Chris, like we're all still like this.

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So whenever I go back home, two of my sisters and my dad still lives there, we pick up like, you know, nothing has ever changed.

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So that's something that's special and most people don't ever get to experience.

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That's insane.

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So can you talk about your family dynamic? Okay. We know your two sisters were your mom and dad together throughout your childhood.

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Yeah, my, so my parents were together for 40 years.

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My mom passed away in 2017, but she definitely lived the life in full.

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So I was very fortunate.

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We were very fortunate to have both of our parents in the picture early on.

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My dad, wasn't always in the picture.

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Just life was going through different addictions and things like that.

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So my mom had to really, you know, really hold it down.

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But I think that's also just as kids, we took on a lot of responsibilities at a young age, which has helped us so much later on in life.

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You know, we just would handle things together, which, you know, I've realized more and more as I've gotten older, how fortunate we were for the family structure, even, you know, with difficulties, every family goes through it, but to, to, to really have to rely on each other, we didn't even have an option, but it was never seen as a burden or anything.

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We just stepped together to get it out.

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So four sisters only, boy, three older, one younger, and we're all super tight.

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And you know, even to this day, you know, everyone's, you know, thrive and I'm very thankful.

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I was actually talking to Claire about this the other day, looking at everything that's happened from the pandemic, you know, to now and while there were some dark times, you know, we're very fortunate that everyone's seeing some of the best success in health, wealth relationships, all the things.

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Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, growing up, definitely my, my relationship with my father has changed a lot over the years.

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So I'm baby Dale. I'm Dale Jr.

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And my dad is, is, you know, definitely my best friend, just like my mom was Dale, such a Cool

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name too. I liked the name. Dale Dale, Dale.

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I know is Dale Earnhardt Dale

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in the world.

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I introduced myself. And to this day I've had, I've had many people, definitely women laugh at me and say, your name is Dale.

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And like, just laugh in my face.

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I'm like, I don't think it's that bad of a name.

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They laugh at you.

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They're like, that's terrible.

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You know, I, I don't look like a Dale.

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And then they find out I'm from South Dakota, which is a conversation piece.

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I still have my South Dakota I do to this day.

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So I always send back to get it.

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Yeah, I know it's hilarious.

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But you know, I think just if we talk about moments growing up, I think the fact that I was the man of the house at such a young age was very, very important for my development as a man, but also, you know, as I prepare for, you know, life with a family and marriage and things down the road, I, I understand what it's like to have to be there and be willing to support or sacrifice for the greater good of the family.

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And we're, we're all like that.

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Definitely

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also

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when

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my

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mom

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passed,

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which

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was

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a

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traumatic

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time,

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that

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was

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one

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of

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the

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hardest

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times

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in,

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in

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my

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life,

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in

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our

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entire

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family,

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she

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was

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a

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rock

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that

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really

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held

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everything

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together.

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But

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looking

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back

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at

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it,

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I

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really

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had

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to

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step

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back

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and

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realize

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that

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I

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could

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not

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help

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my

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family

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go

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through

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a

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grieving

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process. I couldn't do anything to help my sisters or my dad who was with my mother for over 40 years grieve and have closure.

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And I had to really take a step back.

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And this has helped me a lot in life to realize that in certain instances, those are the struggles and those are the battles that people have to go through and figure it out on their own, no matter how much you want to help and really fix those things.

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And, and I've carried that over in relationships, I've had to really learn that sometimes the best thing you can do.

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And the only thing you can do is just be there and try to love and support someone, but you can't fix all those problems.

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And my relationship with my mother is, is different.

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It's more spiritual now, but we have, you know, an amazing relationship.

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And, you know, I got to spend over 28 years of my life with one of the greatest women I could ever imagine.

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And most people don't get that, you know, and, and I know that, and it took me a little bit to accept that and have that perspective.

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But looking back now, it's, it's just, you know, just a different way of viewing things.

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So that, that has shaped me a lot.

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And I think for the first time, especially after my mother passed, I really decided to focus on myself fully.

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And my happiness.

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Obviously I want the people around me to, to be happy and I want them to be supported.

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But at the end of the day, I would give my laughs last breath for her at any moment.

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And once I knew she was in a better place and at ease, I felt like in my life I could really fully start focusing or I did start focusing on my health and happiness and future.

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That's so beautiful. I love the way you phrased it, because I think when people lose parents, it's, it's not, we always say I lost a parent, but you don't really lose them.

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Or I don't believe that. I think your parent dies, but you just have a different relationship with them.

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Like you said, like spiritually, but that's awesome that you learned all that stuff from your mom.

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And now you're like focusing on yourself, let's talk about your own happiness.

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Like, how did you focusing on your own happiness lead you to sort of apply to be on that's right?

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Yeah. So I was actually nominated.

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And Of

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course, of course, of course, of course.

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Why would I have to think that you submitted your, whenever I ask This

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question, it's like, I'm the only person I know who just signed up for themselves.

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literally,

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I'm

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dead. What's different than most people.

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The experience is something I would wouldn't change for the world.

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No, but I think most Men

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get nominated, right? Like I don't think men go out of their way to go online to abc.com/casting and like submit a photo.

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But also if you do, that's incredible.

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I think that's very amazing. Yeah.

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What you do shoot your shot. Right?

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I was nominated by Ty.

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Who's like a little sister to me in New York and she is always asking me, who are you dating?

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Who are you seeing? I never see you with anyone.

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And I will say, especially after transitioning from sports, like sole focus was, and I, it had to be that way transitioning and moving to New York city.

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I just had to really build and reframe a life.

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And I was just focused on me.

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She nominated me and I think it was October of two years ago.

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Now I got a call from one of the, one of the producers.

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And they asked me if I'd be interested in being on the show.

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And I called her right after I was like, they called me.

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There's no way I'm doing this shit.

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Like I can't, I can't put all the business out there.

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And she's like, no, you promised me if, if they called you, you'd go through the process.

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So I was like, all right, you have my word. I'll go through the process.

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And it's, it's a pretty in-depth process, which I know you y'all are both aware.

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And it wasn't until like a week before everyone was actually flying out and leaving for Clair season that I fully committed to it.

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I was just very, very weary about not having an idea of who it could be.

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Especially, you know, 32, I'll be 33 in September.

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I just thought if I was going to lay out and really open up and put it all out there, I wanted to make sure that it was with someone who can handle and really understand.

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And I was very, very serious and am serious about building a family.

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That's all I've ever had growing up and that's all I wanted.

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So

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yeah. And then I think I was just ready for a change too.

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I feel like so much of my life I'd wanted to control every aspect of things or I've had to, or had no option.

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And this was something where I knew I'd have to fully give up control, but I was also very, very on guard.

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And because I understand how reality reality TV goes and how things can be portrayed.

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And I also don't like the way that people of color have been portrayed in the media.

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And I was very, very cautious with how I was there if I was gonna approach it.

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And then, you know, finally, after talking to my sisters and stuff, they're like, just do it, you know?

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And I think you'll, you'll enjoy it.

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Put yourself out there and you never know what can happen.

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And that's, that's pretty much the ride that got me to the bachelorette.

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22:15

So Claire wasn't announced until, you know, I feel like March.

22:19

So was it you guys being in the hotel already when you found out who the bachelorette was going to be?

22:26

No. So they announced it on GMA before we left for the show.

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So I knew, I think it was like February 28th or something like that, like Really

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close, like closer than most guys have to Deal.

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Yeah. It was really, really close.

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And so knew that, and I think it was less, yeah, less than a week or about a week later that we finally flew out and it was, it was really weird because obviously we're sitting in the hotel and then the whole pandemic has started to really break out.

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And I re I remember going to the airport and it was my first time really paying a lot of attention to it.

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And the Uber driver just smelled like straight Clorox bleach, you know, and it hadn't caught on everywhere else.

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And it wasn't even really mainstream media at the time.

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And then we flew in and we're prepping for the show and that's when you see like the NBA canceled their games.

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And I remember watching that and producers and everyone are like, you know, just hang tight, we're going to do everything.

23:26

We can, we're just monitoring the situation.

23:27

But I knew as soon as they canceled that NBA game and I was like, there's no way in hell that we're going on and we're filming this show.

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So they actually cut it that the night before we were going to do a limo interest entrances.

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And I flew back to South Dakota, I couldn't even fly back to New York.

23:44

So was back there all the way till mid June, but You

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probably enjoyed that family.

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Yeah. So I was staying with my sister, Robin and I, I loved it right away though.

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It was hard because no one knew what was going on.

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And I was almost getting FOMO and a lot of people have said this.

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I felt like I should be in the trenches in New York, in the early stages because I'm talking to my friends on the phone and you know, they're saying how bad it is.

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And you're hearing ambulances over and over again.

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But I almost felt guilt because I felt like, you know, that was my city.

24:19

And that was my home. You're such a new Yorker.

24:21

It was Such

24:24

a storyline Over COVID and not to change, but it was like, you know, Seinfeld, Jerry came out with that article.

24:30

Ashley, did you see that? Where he was so mad?

24:33

Everyone was saying New York is dead, you know?

24:35

And he was like, you're not a real new Yorker And

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the city will come back. But it's, I guess It's

24:40

funny, like Ashley and I don't live in New York, but I guess you're proving that it's a real thing.

24:46

People felt guilty, like not being there and just put it out.

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I'd be like fresh South Dakota air.

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I know I'd be like, oh my God, air 200 People

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in school. Like I'm so safe here.

24:58

It was Amazing though.

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It took me a couple of weeks to settle in, but that's the most time I've spent with my family since high school.

25:06

It was amazing.

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And my, my sister wasn't able to work.

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My dad wasn't able to work, you know, so it was, it was just great that we could be there.

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And I, and again, I love where I grew up.

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I love everything about it, but, and it was like, it didn't exist in South Dakota.

25:23

So I was very blessed or fortunate to a degree until we went into filming.

25:28

You didn't see any spikes or anything there.

25:31

So I left right. When some of that stuff started happening and then I was in a bubble, how Mentally,

25:39

okay. Like Ashley and I work in this industry.

25:41

And I, I sort of feel this way where people don't realize the hurry up and wait, like, get ready.

25:46

And wait for me is very mentally exhausting.

25:48

It's very much a part of my job.

25:49

And for someone with anxiety, like, I'm like, I just want to get this out.

25:53

I haven't memorized. Like I need, I want to do the thing.

25:55

Did you feel that way when you were like, literally about to meet Claire the next day?

26:03

Like how mentally Exhausting was that and what was going through your mind while you're in South Dakota?

26:08

Did you second guess going back to the show, like, what were you feeling during that time?

26:14

So I was mentally prepared and to obviously fully go on the show and I would say the great thing is, you know, who the lead is and you can prepare yourself mentally and emotionally for that.

26:28

But I remember in June, I flew back to New York to shoot a project.

26:33

And

26:33

I

26:33

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like,

26:33

I

26:33

don't

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know

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if

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I'm

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going

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to,

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I

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if

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going

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to

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do

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this

26:40

filming. Like I, I was, you know, pre-show, you know, we talk about like these three to five year plans.

26:48

I, there were so many good things happening that I'd worked so hard for.

26:51

And I think it was just that little bit of moment now.

26:55

And I went back and saw the city and I got a little nervous cause I was like, what's going to happen?

27:01

How are things going to change? I just felt like, I, I didn't know if I was willing to put everything else in on hold that much longer, especially in the midst of everything that was going on in the pandemic.

27:16

But th they didn't even know if the show was going to go.

27:20

It wasn't until I think like June 25th, maybe a little bit earlier where they're finally like, okay, we got the green light, cause productions can even go back into to shooting.

27:30

And I think the show narrowly missed, like they just got approved and then other shows were getting turned down right after that, because spikes were going on.

27:40

So there was definitely a moment where I didn't know if I was going to go back, but I actually had a conversation with my dad.

27:46

And he's like, I asked him, you know, what do you think I should do if this goes, do you think Claire and I will connect.

27:54

And he's like, you know, your spirits and your souls are already aligned in United, if it's meant to be.

28:02

So he's like I say, you just go do it, you know, and put it out there.

28:07

You've been preparing for this. And then after that conversation with him, I was, I was fully in.

28:11

And then it was just, It's

28:15

just like, it's like a really, when you think about, like, when I think about Ashley and Jared's evolution of like everything that had to happen for them to end up together, and I'm always fascinated by this with like anyone's story.

28:29

That's why I love hearing about how people meet.

28:31

And Ashley had like her own show, like actually asking people, Harry met Sally, like style, how people met, because it's so insane.

28:38

But when you think about like the trajectory and like so many things that got in the way of you and Claire being together, it is astounding.

28:44

Like there was a global pandemic.

28:47

Like you almost didn't do like your friend nominates you, you almost don't do it.

28:52

Then you go, then there's a pandemic, then there's another chance for you to back out.

28:56

Then you go, then Claire, like historically records early is the first bachelorette to just like leave because she's like, it's just, you, can you, can you talk about that sort of first human IRL interaction with her and like what that felt like, because to people watching, I think it's like, whoa, like she's gonna, you know, obviously everyone was like, oh, she's just going to leave.

29:20

Yeah. Yeah. It was C and I, I don't know.

29:23

And I hadn't seen any of the other conversations.

29:26

It wasn't until the show premiered where I actually saw, you know, her reaction with me coming out to the limo.

29:33

And I'm someone who I feel really calm for the most part, but I was so fucking nervous.

29:38

I remember walking and, you know, I'm getting situated and I felt fine.

29:43

And then once we actually are face to face, it's like, it goes blank.

29:46

But the, the feelings and the emotions were, were so real.

29:51

And that's something that I hadn't felt in a long time.

29:54

I was in a very serious relationship before that, you know, which was a great relationship at the time.

30:00

We just were at different phases in our lives.

30:02

And I think anytime you go through something like that and with anything in life that your heart's in, it, it takes a P if you lose that, or if you go in a different direction, it definitely takes a piece of you.

30:15

And I'm someone who tends to just bury things.

30:18

And I think that's like how I've come up.

30:21

And I felt like I've had to over years, a lot of men do that, but, but Claire really brought a lot out of me that emotions and feelings that I had, I didn't like, I hadn't felt in a long, long time, or I didn't even know if I have ever felt it in that capacity.

30:37

And as we got to spend more time together on the show, I just felt more and more calm and not, not a sense of like confidence or arrogance.

30:47

I just felt at ease.

30:49

I felt I was in the right spot.

30:50

Our conversations were, were smooth, but, you know, she has the capacity and the ability to love deeper than, and stronger than anyone I've ever met.

30:59

And while there's so many things that, you know, are portrayed on TV and that people see, or with edits and all those things, if her heart is in it, like her heart is all the way in it.

31:09

And there's no mistaking that.

31:12

And I, you know, I really appreciated that because I feel like for me, that's how I am with the people in my life.

31:18

There's no in-between, but it was a, it was a ride.

31:23

I mean, I remember when they said, oh, you know, it's finally like, she's, she's going to leave the show.

31:28

This that's a wrap.

31:30

You know, this is the show.

31:32

And I was like, you know, you're never, you don't even know what to do with our first date.

31:38

I remember when there was like a pause, you know, a group date thing, like, and it was awkward on TV, but no one knew what to do.

31:46

That's our first time in anything like that.

31:48

So then it's like, all right, we're done.

31:50

What's next.

31:51

I remember when Chris came and talked to me, but even then I felt, I felt calm.

31:57

I think, you know, at the end of the day it was in my heart and my mind, it was always going to be her and I, it, so it's a, it's a unique story for sure.

32:08

Yeah. And that'd be, as soon as we were done, I mean, there's still so much stuff circulating we're over a year out now.

32:15

And I think about how heavy we've had to build this relationship in front of the media, but it's been pretty much on front and center since last August, even July, before we even knew it because, And

32:31

that's not easy to do.

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And I always kinda like we, we're the kind of breed of woman who, like, we can't really hide it.

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We're just like,

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I

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and

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I

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it. Cool. And I find Claire to be like, so endearing and relatable in that way.

34:40

Have you ever been with a woman like that before?

34:43

And like, was that a quality that you liked or was that intense at first Question?

34:49

Cause We feel like guys don't like that.

34:52

I think, I think that's sort of the society stigma, right?

34:54

To be the cool girl to act like.

34:59

Yeah. I mean, I think anyway, obviously they gotta be themselves for me, the fact that we were on camera and stuff, like I'm very reserved.

35:05

I'm someone who as much as I, I, you know, share things socially, I'm actually very private with my personal life.

35:12

And I think just being around sisters and stuff, I want to I'll be overly cautious more than anything.

35:21

So it was a lot, I would say right away, especially the fact that you're on cameras.

35:26

I, and I keep in mind, I, I had never watched the show And

35:31

you had no concept of it.

35:32

I Truly

35:34

had no concept of the show at all.

35:37

And I didn't watch a lot purposely before because I didn't want to go in there with a preconceived notion.

35:43

I didn't want to go in there.

35:45

You know, everyone talks has positive things to say, some people have horror stories.

35:49

I kind of went in there blind, but that's the way, you know, I, I intended to do it.

35:55

So it w I think it was a lot, you know, the first few days and the first time that we spent together.

36:01

But then after that, it was like, all right, Hey, I'm here.

36:04

You know, I'm going to give you whatever you need and vice versa.

36:08

So I think I, you know, I appreciated it for sure.

36:12

And that's the thing, you know, she pulled a lot out of me that was probably uncommon, but those are things I need.

36:20

And also just as a man, I mean, it was never anything that was too much for me to handle.

36:25

I think with anything you're, you're learning and meeting someone, and it's a relationship that you're building backwards.

36:31

So it's just an adjustment.

36:33

I love that you were able to share with us that she pulled a lot out of you that you had never felt before.

36:38

And obviously there's like the obvious things you guys have in common, like losing someone really close to you.

36:43

But the reason why I love that you share that is because I think you're right, like the way editing and media and just judgments go around.

36:50

Like, I'm going to call myself out a little bit.

36:53

Cause I remember you really didn't, you didn't even reach out to me and you and I have been friends from afar, you know, like for a while, like just following each other on Instagram over the years.

37:01

But I remember so many people would, I would talk to so many people and be like, oh, I know that guy.

37:07

And I think like the judgment I sort of surrounded around you is I think the girl that you were dating at the time I met you was like an athlete, you know?

37:15

And so I think it's easy to think, like, it's like, oh, Does,

37:19

does this guy really want to go on and like, be in a relationship?

37:22

You know? It's Like people think all these things, but they don't know you.

37:26

They don't like, know your story. They don't hear.

37:28

And they can't see that connection that you like, so eloquently put into words that you had with them.

37:34

Does that make sense? Yeah. A hundred percent.

37:36

Do you feel like people perceive you in that way?

37:38

Do you think people think you're like, cause it's like, even me as someone who's like met you, but I think that of everyone that goes on the show now because of Instagram, I think also from a producer standpoint, right.

37:49

I'm always like, okay, why is this person?

37:51

What's their energetic, motivation behind going?

37:54

You know? Yeah. Yeah.

37:55

And I, I, and that's completely understandable.

37:58

I mean, I've, I've battled that my, my entire life, whether it was just because of being an athlete, you know, just different things with like friends, relationships, career, whatever, whatever the case, Like

38:10

a good looking, you know what I mean? It's like you have all these things that people create judgements around.

38:15

I kind of wanted to build on that.

38:17

Okay. So basically he has the looks and the personality of somebody who can like be a player.

38:22

But when I say your personality it's cause like you are so calm and like suave, but you come across like the perfect gentleman, which is why I want to know like how your sister has probably helped shape.

38:34

Well, you were like, I can't help the fact that I'm good-looking and nice And

38:39

have the perfect team and have gentlemen like qualities.

38:43

It's nonsensical To

38:46

think that people wouldn't think that you could be a great bachelor, if that makes sense.

38:50

Right. I think the same happened with, and I know you haven't watched the show was when Jordan went on Jojo season.

38:55

Right. I think a lot of people were like, oh, this guy wants to be the bachelor.

38:58

And it's like, no fault to you that you were blessed with these jeans and like athletic ability and good smile and like, and can express your emotions, which is also hard for me to find in a lot of men that are good looking, I think, Yeah,

39:11

I think it is.

39:13

I've tried.

39:15

I understand those things come in to play, you know, my parents, if anything, shaped and instilled that into all of us, you know, at the, the number one thing was always respect.

39:26

I mean, I just remember as kids, you know, my dad would always say, you know, you're no better than any other person.

39:33

We were taught to be servant leaders in anything that we did.

39:37

And at the end of the day, like, you know, your respect and your name is really all you all that you have.

39:42

So I think it was tough because everyone's going to say something like the internet is undefeated.

39:48

Everyone's going to think and say whatever they want.

39:51

But I've definitely learned at a young age just of how I was growing up.

39:56

If I listened to everything that people said about me or my family, you know, it would, it would consume me even after the fact.

40:02

And then you talk about the show.

40:04

There's so many things that gets circulate circulated.

40:08

And even, and even to now, like with Claire and I's relationship, you know, people will focus on, on one thing versus the bigger picture.

40:21

And I think the show what it actually does, it's you think a fantasy sports, but everyone chooses a side, you know, choose a side in it.

40:29

And at the end of the day, you can't, you can't win those battles.

40:33

And it's not our job to try to explain everything to everyone.

40:35

So the best thing I can do, and this is all I've been able to do throughout my whole life is just be me.

40:41

And, you know, in life you make mistakes and you know, you can do everything right.

40:47

And people still jump all over you, but I, you know, I'm happy.

40:51

I'm good. And I can go to sleep at night each and every day, just comfortable.

40:56

You know what I'm saying? So proud of you.

40:58

That's so great. Cause I feel like you D you did have a sort of media storm around that, and I'm sure even people in your life, you know, it's like people just judge as humans.

41:07

It's like human nature, I think.

41:09

Yeah. Yeah. And I think like, that's the one thing, and I've talked to, you know, a lot of the guys on the show and we're so close and they've helped me through so many things, because these are the people that, you know, really spend a lot of time around you, but then also your tribe and your, the people who love and care about you.

41:23

And it's like, you know, they can see through so many of the things, but I will say I wouldn't, I, I say this over and over.

41:32

I wouldn't change for the world and I'm happy.

41:34

And that I've learned and experienced some of these things, you know, early on, but also it's tough with the relationship because it's, it's amazing.

41:43

I was talking to mark who's a good friend.

41:45

And he was saying, it's amazing how many people put their hopes and dreams and the success of your relationship with mark groves.

41:52

Yeah. Yeah. Martin grow, create the love.

41:55

Yup. Incredible Instagram.

41:57

Everybody should follow.

41:59

I'm obsessed with them. I didn't know. You're friends with them.

42:01

Yeah. He's, he's, he's a good dude.

42:03

Good dude. But also he, he definitely provided some advice for me and Claire and I both, both follow him and, you know, take things here and there.

42:14

But the best thing that we did, I think overall, we per, we personally don't dive into the relationship too heavily.

42:20

We've, we've decided to keep more of our stuff private and, you know, respect that.

42:25

But I think the best thing that we've done is literally we've just focused on one another.

42:31

So whatever has happened, you know, in the downtime, what people don't see, those, those things are for us to know, and to continue to build.

42:41

And I, you know, Ashley, you can attest to this being in a public relationship.

42:46

It's, it's very important to really just keep those certain things for yourself and try to build that foundation as, as strong as possible.

42:57

And then, you know, from there everything else will handle itself, especially In

43:01

the beginning. Like that was where Jared and I were so misunderstood is because there was so much going on off camera and then you get to see little snippets on TV and people like create these huge judgements.

43:15

And you're like, no, you know, nothing anyway.

43:20

Okay. Well, we want to talk a little bit more about you.

43:22

I definitely want to talk about like what you you're doing like for good, because you are involved with the special Olympics because of your sister who has special needs and the special Olympics just went, wasn't the just go down and Tokyo.

43:34

So they're, they're actually with the pandemic shifted a lot of the world games.

43:41

So actually this winter in 2022, we're going to Russia for the special Olympics winning games.

43:48

You're going to go

43:52

So I've been a global ambassador since 2015, my sister was a special Olympics athlete growing up.

43:58

And I got involved on the global scale.

44:01

Yeah. 2015 beyond just the local side.

44:05

And it's, it's been the most life-changing and powerful thing I've ever experienced.

44:11

Actually the first games I went to the world games was in LA at the time.

44:17

And they brought in 7,000 athletes from 150 countries.

44:21

So it's the second biggest sporting event aside from the Olympics.

44:28

Yeah. Cool. When did your sister play?

44:30

She, she did a wheelchair basketball and you know, some of the, some of the like track and field throws, and this was back in South Dakota, you know, but I just naturally was always around it also with their unified sports and unified schools programs, it affects so many students, but also really helps grow communities.

44:51

And that is something that, you know, I'll be involved with till the day I die.

44:59

And it's been really amazing.

45:01

The people that I've met, the stories that I've heard and, you know, as I continue to get older and more involved, I want to bring as much to the table for that as possible, especially coming out of the pandemic.

45:13

So I'm excited about it.

45:16

I, I, I don't know what's going to happen as far as if I'll be in Russia or not, but cool.

45:22

Which sister is this Robin or whatever, This

45:25

is my sister Amber, so she's five years older than me.

45:28

Yeah. So you'll see her on the ground.

45:30

Can you Tell us more about Amber and her journey in the Olympics?

45:34

So she just, she was involved just again at the local level, but my sister, Amber, like at five years old, she just had had the flu or had the cold and woke up the next morning and she can never walk again.

45:50

And, you know, you think about perspective and how that really shapes you.

45:55

And, you know, I see pictures of her before she started getting sick.

45:58

And I mean, she's beautiful now, but she was, she was fucking gorgeous, you know, stupid.

46:04

And

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I,

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I

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remember,

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you

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know,

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I

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was

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so

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young

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when

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all

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this

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happened,

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all

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I've

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known

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as

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Amber,

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you

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know,

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post

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post

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sickness

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and

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she's

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been

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the

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most

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amazing

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and

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best

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spirit

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ever. And what happens is like when she gets sick, her white blood cells attack her nervous system.

46:28

And,

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you

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know,

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over

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the

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course

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of

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the

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years

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that

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has

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progressed. But when I say that she was definitely a foundational piece and really held it together for me and my other sister, she was the rock.

46:43

I mean, like when I started kindergarten, I was reading at a fifth grade level because every day after school for years, she would just teach me everything that she learned every Single

46:54

day. And, But

46:58

I guess we can't get child services called Dennis now, but we could, we couldn't even afford a babysitter.

47:02

So like, it was like Amber and Robin, No.

47:05

Did any low, my Parents

47:07

left my brother and I alone.

47:09

Like literally when I was like seven, I was like, this is not, or like even younger.

47:15

Yeah. So, but we were just always together.

47:17

And even to this day, like, I mean texts over and over and over again every night Amber and I talk, but that's how our entire family is.

47:27

And I think anything, and this is true with everyone in our family.

47:31

If we're doing something in life, there's a reason or a story behind it.

47:36

And it's usually tied to one another, like the special Olympics is for, you know, my sister, Amber, and you know, all the things that and how our community helped and supported us growing up.

47:49

And, and that was a really big part of it.

47:52

You know, my sister, she was always driven to get into real estate, which she's starting to have some great success now because my family never owned a home.

48:00

So she bought it.

48:03

That's so cool. Congrats Purpose

48:07

behind different things. But yeah, that's, you know, Amber, she's one of a kind, you'll see her on the grammar or something like that.

48:14

And my goal is next time we have a big event in the U S I want to make sure that she's, she's at one of the big games here in the United States.

48:23

So once we get through the pandemic, you know, we'll definitely do that.

48:27

What was your diagnosis?

48:28

An

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auto

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immune

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disease? I can't even think of the name of it right now.

48:35

When she was diagnosed, there was only eight cases of it in the entire world.

48:38

So it was crazy.

48:40

Yeah. And you know, over the course of the years and when we were young, you know, she had to have like brain surgery for, for tumors.

48:47

You talk about hospitals. Like, I feel like we lived in a hospital, you know, up through middle school, just with things that would go on with her periodically.

48:58

But again, we had great support system, the community I grew up in, you talk about how, how much they rallied around our family and helps support us over a period of time.

49:08

And that's, again, those are things that you don't get in a lot of places.

49:12

And we were so fortunate to grow up.

49:15

And that's why I have so much love and pride for where I grew up in my home state.

49:20

Never. I feel like I'm surrounded by people who are either able-bodied or have some type of disability.

49:25

It just reminds me of the resilience of like the human spirit.

49:29

And there's so much to learn. And I love like now there's some, there slowly, we're getting more representation, you know, for people who are deaf, like I watched this film called sound of metal last year.

49:40

And I realized like, oh, I'm the one that's disabled.

49:42

Like, I can't speak sign language.

49:44

Like, that's a way that I can't communicate with people.

49:47

And like, these things aren't disabilities in any way.

49:50

What's like, what have you taken away by having Amber as a sister?

49:54

Like what has she taught you through her lens and experience about life?

49:59

Yeah. I think the biggest thing is like, you know, life's not as bad as we often make it out to be.

50:07

And it's amazing how much, just like kindness and consistency and, and, you know, laughing can completely change your life because, you know, everyone that knows Amber knows her to a T and she's truly, you're never going to see her unhappy, disappointed.

50:26

She never forgets.

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It's like the small things that really make a big difference.

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And then also just as I've gotten older, and I'll say even with the special Olympics organization, I I've really realized how these inclusive communities, how they sh they completely change whatever town or city that they're in.

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You know, I focus a lot on the unified sports program.

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Unified schools program is actually one of the top training programs for healthcare practitioners and nurses to make sure that they're actually, I mean, they're farther along because they know how to treat people with intellectual and physical disabilities.

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Whereas most people come out of college and have never seen a patient like that.

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And a lot of the testing that they do on these athletes for the world games and the treatments, they get carried over and transferred into professional sports because there's so much attention to detail and care that has to be taken.

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And these are usually some of the top, you know, healthcare professionals in their field have all gone through or worked with special Olympics at some time.

51:34

I love that. It's amazing. And that means a lot to me that you, that they include intellectual disabilities.

51:38

Cause my brother has learning disabilities.

51:40

And I feel like sometimes when it's not like physical, I've said this before, it can sort of fly under the radar and there's like people out there that need help.

51:47

So that's so cool. So that's, what's next for Amber?

51:49

Where were you sort of in your, in your life trajectory?

51:53

Not that you are your career or anything, but, and we know you want to be a director, but what, is there anything exciting and a dad?

52:01

Like what daddy are you yeah.

52:08

Like, what's next? Are you guys thinking about having a family?

52:10

Like soon-ish, is that just sort of like in the somewhat near future?

52:15

Yeah. I mean, everything, you know, again with, with us right now, we're, we're just, we're focused on just building the strongest relationship as, as, as we possibly can and obviously the goal and everything in mind, even stepping into it, which, you know, I think a lot of people may feel different when they go on a show like this, but the goal is to, to, to build a life, build a family, you know, have a marriage.

52:39

But the best thing that, again, that we've done is just, we're focusing on each other and building a strong of a foundation as possible, you know, in life beyond that, I feel like, you know, now that things are opening up has been really exciting.

52:53

You know, I'm starting to host a lot more events, which has always been a really big focus of mine and getting back to creating it was tough because everything went virtual and digital, which also last year I was filming a show, but before I was doing a lot more in hosting was doing things during Superbowl and all those things.

53:16

But again, I, I just want to continue as a storyteller.

53:19

I really admire a lot of figures and I've been, you know, people are like, oh, you're just doing this for fame or this or that.

53:29

Yeah. Yeah. My life has, I've had a life well before the show and not a lot of things have changed.

53:34

I'm just still on that path.

53:35

You know, I want to definitely get more involved.

53:39

The goal is to eventually do documentaries, you know, like 30 for 30, so powerful Olympics,

53:47

30 for 30, So

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powerful.

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And,

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but

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that's

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the

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focus

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I

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want

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to

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continue

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to

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build

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in

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front

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of

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the

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lens

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as

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a

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host

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in

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sports

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and

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entertainment

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and

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continually

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just

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try

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to

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get

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involved

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with

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more

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projects

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behind

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the

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lens

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and

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help

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other

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people

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share

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their

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stories. That's the biggest thing. So as we kind of wrap up here, we want to do some fun questions.

54:11

And would you rather some, I don't get it.

54:13

Ashley, you had An,

54:16

I don't get it right. I do. I do, but I want to get to the, I don't get it after We

54:20

asked this very critical question that NAZA wants to ask a guy that she was dating in the car.

54:27

Okay. So she like, so fucking lame, really awkward.

54:30

There's a silence.

54:31

She wanted to fill it. And randomly she asked what's your favorite donut?

54:36

And she felt so embarrassed, but I was like, that can tell.

54:39

So much about somebody and it's, it's really because of how they answer it.

54:44

Like w the passion that they deliver it with.

54:47

So one of our followers asked that question for you.

54:52

Yeah. Which is hilarious. Can I just say, cause I don't even eat donuts, but yeah.

54:58

So what do you have a favorite donut? Do you even eat Krona?

55:00

Does that work? Yeah.

55:03

That's so New York view. Cause that's, I think where the Cronut

55:05

was born. So that is very emblematic of who you are.

55:08

Nice and new. You're Going to, I think it's called the donut pub.

55:11

I've I've tried a little bit of all of them, but that, and I'm not going to lie.

55:15

I love a fresh Krispy Kreme donut.

55:18

Right, right. When they're made in your mouth, bring it up now.

55:25

I've I thought they'd be like, I dunno.

55:27

I thought they were like bankrupt or something.

55:29

I

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know

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they're

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like

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always

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at

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Albertsons

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are

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killing

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it. Still. I

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lights on, you got to go check it out.

55:38

So, so this podcast also is just like a major, fast food Condit sort, sort of like space.

55:44

Do you like, do you indulge or are you just like super clean with your eating?

55:48

Like, what's your like guilty sort of like I'm going in today?

55:52

I

55:54

Don't make food. My enemy, honestly, I used to do it.

55:57

I think when I was transitioning out of sports and I was modeling with Wilamena at the time I remember that, like I went through this phase where I felt like I had to fit this mold.

56:08

Like just like women, you know, men deal with it all the time too.

56:12

And I re I just got to a point I'm like, what am I doing?

56:15

Like, if I'm going to enjoy myself, I'm going to enjoy myself.

56:17

But there's nothing better to me than just like authentic street street tacos through and through to LA.

56:25

Then I know they're everywhere.

56:27

The place I used to live in LA had the best food truck right on the corner.

56:32

I used to go there every day almost, but, and then hot wings.

56:36

I'm a, I'm a huge Buffalo, hot wings fanatic.

56:39

And there, it's hard to find really, really good ones.

56:43

Florida is like a chicken wing state. Like, I feel like when I left Florida, like people like now I just eat wings on super bowl Sunday, but I'm like, and I think this way about Thanksgiving thing, east coast thing, I'm like this, maybe you're right, Ash.

56:56

Cause obviously you're like Northeast, but like Thanksgiving food.

56:59

I'm like, why don't we eat this more times throughout the year chicken wings?

57:02

Why don't I eat it more? And like, I love the how in Florida.

57:04

My mom was like, we're getting wings and curly fries.

57:07

Like that was like a thing.

57:08

The weekends.

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Yeah. Yeah.

57:13

But I eat a little bit of everything. I love food.

57:15

I'm an average foodie.

57:16

Obviously I'm mindful of my health and wellness.

57:19

I actually went back to school.

57:21

I'm in the process right now of getting my health coaching certification.

57:25

Congrats. It's so cool.

57:27

Yeah. And I honestly, the reason I did that, it's more on the holistic side, but I think this year I realized how much I was missing with community, but also anchors that kept me grounded in my spirituality, in my mindfulness and everything.

57:46

So I made a commitment just to, to really go back.

57:49

So I'm a quarter of the way done six month program, which I'm actually, I'm loving it.

57:55

But yeah.

57:57

I mean, life is, you know, it's, it's a, it's an entire, like when they say total body approach, like mind, body, spirit, everything.

58:06

So I just want to like make a quick note about something you said, I love that you said I don't make food.

58:12

My enemy. Cause I think the energetic space that you bring behind a motivation is very important.

58:17

Like I think when, when we think of like losing weight, a lot of people want to lose weight because maybe deep down, they just think that they need to look skinny, sort of to be accepted.

58:27

And I was very cognizant of like, I just want to eat healthy and lose weight to feel great.

58:33

Not because I need to look a certain way.

58:36

So that guys like me and just approaching it in that way with the energy behind it, I'm doing this to feel great.

58:42

Not to be accepted, I think is like huge.

58:45

So I love that. You said like you're sort of in that holistic space and mind, right?

58:49

That's number, that's the number one Thing.

58:51

It's a it's it's just about being feel at the end of the day.

58:54

It's all about just health and happiness.

58:56

And no one can define that, but yourself.

58:58

So yeah.

59:00

That's, that's the best approach.

59:03

Did you ever have any embarrassing or awkward moments while modeling?

59:06

Oh my God. It's such a good question.

59:08

Like how do you even have a model face that I like, look like I'm taking a shit.

59:13

I, so I got into it. I was doing a lot of sports working with top fitness brands and things like that, but I've definitely an embarrassing moment.

59:22

I got booked for a project and I thought it was going to like some Broadway thing and they're like, oh, they're going to be costumes and everything there.

59:30

This don't worry. This will just be internal or whatever.

59:33

The

59:33

party,

59:36

City costumes, this is so mean, girls eat No,

59:40

I'm two hours away. I roll into this place and I walk in.

59:44

I'm like, where the fuck am I right now?

59:46

And then I started seeing some of the costumes and I'm someone who doesn't like, I don't dress up for Halloween.

59:52

I don't. And I was like, oh God, what do I do?

59:55

I remember calling my age and I was like, this is not what it is, what you said it was going to be yada, yada, yada.

1:00:00

And he's like, just knock it out.

1:00:02

You don't gotta do it ever again.

1:00:03

And I mean, yeah, that's how the whole party city thing came.

1:00:08

And I remember after it just thinking like, I hope this just never sees the light of day and you know it's oh wait Guys,

1:00:17

I don't know what you're talking about. Were you in like some viral party city thing that I'm once he like hit because This

1:00:23

was viral, but I just learned to laugh.

1:00:25

But I mean, if that's the worst thing, right?

1:00:28

It, can you tell me another people who don't know what happened?

1:00:30

Like The thing that went viral was like a Superman outfit at Del taco, Like

1:00:37

a warrior, like a gladiator.

1:00:38

Wait, I have to Google this right now.

1:00:42

I think Chris Harrison actually wore it for Halloween last year.

1:00:46

I felt like he used It. Yeah. Oh, MAs party city.

1:00:48

Oh my God, Dale. This is iconic.

1:00:51

How did we miss this?

1:00:53

So ironic TMZ, Bachelorette,

1:00:56

contestant. I know, But

1:01:00

I don't know, but you just gotta learn to leave lean in and laugh at it.

1:01:06

I mean, I, I never thought I'd see the light of day.

1:01:08

It did. I mean, I got, I got some racks off it, which is not the full motivation, but after that I said never again in my, I I doing that, but it's, it's funny at the end of the day, like who cares?

1:01:20

But that was the most embarrassing moment.

1:01:23

And that came well after the fact.

1:01:26

I think that was four years ago.

1:01:28

Over four years ago.

1:01:30

Wow. All right. Well let's, let's wrap this up with the few.

1:01:32

I don't get it. It's okay. So mine this week is, I don't think I get self checkout at the grocery store because no one is, no one is good at it.

1:01:43

And the line is always like, you're like, oh, okay.

1:01:46

Self checkout. Like those people have five items.

1:01:49

I'll get right behind them. And then you have to call the check.

1:01:52

You know, the person who's monitoring.

1:01:53

There's a way to check. You Always

1:01:55

need their monitoring.

1:01:57

And then they always yeah. Need to come over.

1:02:00

And here I am thinking like, oh, the guy in front of me, he was like, must've been like 60.

1:02:05

He was going really slow on it.

1:02:08

Just like, I don't know. I'm like, okay. I'm to hit my one I ain't gonna be able to like rip through this so that the people behind me don't get too annoyed at the fact that they've chosen a horrible line.

1:02:16

And then I get up and the woman had to come up and like scan her little thingy four times because it was just like, you know how it says, like put your item in, like on the scale thing.

1:02:32

So that like, it knows that you checked something out, checked it out.

1:02:35

I had something as light as like crystal light.

1:02:38

Okay. And it didn't register. So every time that light down, it was like needs to, needs to see cashier.

1:02:46

And I'm like, oh my God, this just should not exist if we don't have the technology to make it efficient.

1:02:52

Yeah. It's a whole thing that self-checkout man, I never Looked

1:02:55

at self checkout the same again.

1:02:56

Self-checkout I never Do

1:02:59

it because I like to support humans.

1:03:02

And, And

1:03:04

so, but then when those lines are long, I'm like, Ugh, fine.

1:03:07

I'll do self checkout. No, the human line, no matter what almost always is short.

1:03:12

It is faster. Not the better play.

1:03:15

Everybody's so young.

1:03:16

They're NAS. Oh, is that?

1:03:18

Oh, That makes sense. That tracks that track.

1:03:22

Yeah. I guess I should go back to Florida. I wonder if point out in Florida, you die at the self checkout line.

1:03:26

Wonder public. Steven has self checkout.

1:03:28

Wants to go as hard. I love public.

1:03:30

Oh my God. Can we just, oh, the Gummy

1:03:33

bears. The pub subs. Like I missed goddamn day.

1:03:37

I love, I Spend a lot of time in Florida and like Sarasota area and yeah, I love, oh my God.

1:03:43

And the chicken, the fried chicken and Publix chef's kiss.

1:03:47

All right. What other questions do you got here?

1:03:49

We have some other stuff for you.

1:03:52

Got it. Okay. Oh yeah.

1:03:54

I don't. I was actually looking because I, I had like a whole list and I think I went through 20.

1:04:01

And so I don't have one right now that I can think of.

1:04:03

Do you have one deal? I think so.

1:04:05

I was just thinking about this because I was craving in and out burger, but I don't get, I

1:04:10

don't get in and out, so I don't get out.

1:04:12

When you Cannot figure out a system to keep these lines from being around the block.

1:04:18

I know people there's got, I know they've got people out there working, but they can, they put in to drive up for lunch or something Like

1:04:24

that. So there are Ones

1:04:27

with two drive up windows, but I, you know what, you know, what I like about the line is a, makes me feel like what's being made back there is fresh and not like, and not pop in the microwave.

1:04:37

Like, you know, like I used to do a dunk and I still worked There.

1:04:41

I mean, yeah, I'll wait, wait, what's your order in and out.

1:04:45

I do the protein style.

1:04:51

Oh your God.

1:04:53

how do you even hold the patties?

1:04:59

Like within the slippery lettuce? That just seems like a gravitation.

1:05:02

Well, this is, this Is the, so I get a double, double protein style and then I get a double, double, regular with the hot peppers on stuff.

1:05:09

Kind of defeats the purpose. Yeah.

1:05:12

Okay.

1:05:14

Back. I don't feel as guilty.

1:05:16

That's that's a guilty pleasure for everybody too.

1:05:19

There we go. Well, Dale, this has been so much fun.

1:05:22

Well thank you for your item. Get it.

1:05:24

And thank you for your honesty, vulnerability for coming on and talking to Ashley and your time, we are so happy for you and Claire.

1:05:31

Like as someone, I mean, I can't speak for Ashley, but like, as someone who worked on a couple shows that Claire was on, like to just know that you guys are together, you know, and like so happy and like this journey, like so many people relate to Claire.

1:05:46

I think Ashley and I really do too, because you know, some, sometimes we're just getting up there in age and haven't found our person and like, just knowing you and being lucky to have met you just, it just warms our hearts that you guys are together and like happy.

1:06:00

And it's so cool. So thanks for talking to us about it.

1:06:03

Yeah, No, I, I appreciate it.

1:06:05

I was excited to get on.

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Yeah,

1:06:06

we

1:06:06

haven't

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done

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a

1:06:06

lot

1:06:06

of

1:06:06

interviews

1:06:06

separately,

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like

1:06:06

even

1:06:06

separately

1:06:06

or

1:06:13

together. So it was fun to just get on and riff with y'all and I appreciate you thinking about me.

1:06:19

Yeah, of course. Dale, where can people find you, Dale?

1:06:21

You can find me On

1:06:24

Instagram at Dale Moss 13.

1:06:26

I'm starting to get my tick top game going on.

1:06:31

Yes. My alter ego is going to come out to Do

1:06:35

you dance. Cause I feel like that's like a prereq to being on tickets.

1:06:38

I, I do some of the dances. I'm not the greatest dancer, but you know, I have fun with it at the end of the day.

1:06:44

Like I don't, I don't have a problem making a fool of myself and acting like a big ass kid.

1:06:49

So I think, you know, at the very least I can do that.

1:06:54

So there's some entertainment over there and you know, Facebook, I think it's official deal Moss.

1:07:00

I don't use Facebook that much.

1:07:02

And then other than that, just check me out on social and then you'll see anything else that pops up.

1:07:08

Amazing. Thank you, Dale. This is so much fun.

1:07:10

So good seeing you friend. Yeah, Pleasure.

1:07:13

So I'm looking forward to following everything y'all have going on.

1:07:17

And again, thank you for having me bye on.

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1:07:53

Hello everyone. Welcome to the 30. Welcome to the I don't get a podcast. It is Ashley and I, but we are just graced by the presence of the real Dale Moss, which -- Yeah. -- is very exciting because I feel like as some exclusive guest to get. This isn't exclusive guest to get. I'm so excited to talk to Dale and I Dale and I have actually met, we'll talk about this in a second. But the reason why think I am so stoked is because even though you have sort of catapulted in, like, bachelor nation and fame and other amazing projects that you've done on your own, you still very much have, like, this mystery surrounding you. I think, I don't I think. I don't know. Would you say that actually? 30, I feel like there's a lot about you that people don't know, which it would be fun to, like, uncover today. I I think. totally because I feel like you guys really just did interviews right after the show and then you guys you guys have been really private since. So it's it's feeling very exclusive to have you on his side. I love the privacy. It's so Beyonce and and Jay 30. But it's also, like, let's I it's fun to get to know you in the context of, like, who just who you are outside of Vassler Nation, not, like, you know, with the cover. Yeah. Not as a couple because that's how, like, people know you as. But anyways so Dale, yeah, we met, what, eight years ago now. Yeah. I think it's eight years ago. I was living in LA at the time -- Mhmm. -- in between teams and and training in the off 30. It's amazing how how time flies, but also it's amazing to see all the things that you've done since first 30. So it's it also just things come full circle. Right? I know it's so wild. I we met because, like, you were living with someone that my roommate was, like, friends with, sort of, like, I think can't put, like, once or twice. Was that is that that's how that's how we moved. Yes. I moved from 30 from my home from my home state in South Dakota. I was I was playing with Chicago, but I was out in LA in the off 30. And, you know, III fell in love with the LA lifestyle a little bit. Also, like, I always wanted to get into film 10 I went to school for video production and digital production. So big picture, my dream is to eventually direct I I just think that storytellers have, you know, they have a gift and can really change and influence culture in a major way. So That's what brought me out to LA, but I ended up going out to New York for different projects with my 30. And I think New York got me. I've been out there six years. That's wild. I I can't believe you've lived in New York six can't believe we've lived in New York six years. Yeah. It's not I love it. It's not the end all be all. That's for sure. Okay. But right now, it's good. So then what's the NLB all you think? Do you feel like you want to live outside of a big city? I mean, I grew up in South Dakota, so I'm Yeah. Small town, but I love the city. I think everything. I kind of fall in love with every place I go a little I kind of fall in love with every place I go a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I I've grown to love LA a lot more. I know I'll be out there lot more in the future for projects. For 30, though, if I can have a beach in sun. That's the number one thing. So I could see myself making my way back West Coast. But I love Florida too. Oh. In Florida. Nice. Well, I'm from Florida. I don't know if you know that. So Oh, yeah. That's fun fact. I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in Boca. But well, let's talk about where you grew up. Because you grew up in South Dakota, like, what was it like growing up in South Dakota for you? Are there black people in South Dakota? I would I was one of the few actually until I think my sophomore year in high school, I was the only, the only black kid in my entire I was one of the few. Actually, until I think my software here in high school, I was the only the only black kid in my entire school. So No. It wasn't way. Yeah. Their entire school. That's that's crazy. Yeah. So it wasn't very diverse, but I always say I I love where I grew up. We moved to South Dakota when I was 30, really young. And it was it was it's interesting how far we've come 30 in the midst of everything in media just culturally 30 socially, but it was very, very segregated. I mean, for the longest, I 30, like, I can go sleep at my friend's houses until, like, third grade. They thought I was, like, the bad black kid. Oh. Or, you know, and I think, like, a a lot of things are just people weren't exposed to different cultures, different religions, things like that. But sports and also my older sisters were very instrumental in breaking down a lot of those 30. And I think it it it just allowed 30 to see not only myself but my entire family in a little bit different light. My sister Amber is 30 unbelievable, and she's five years older than 30. And she really broke down a lot of barriers. She's the reason I'm so involved special Olympics now, but her spirit and her soul is is just beautiful. And then sports, obviously, it was a big thing for me. And I think, you know, not only having success with that, but being in a community where everyone really rallied around and supported 30. Made a huge difference, but it was it was chill. I my my town was, like, eight thousand 30, you know, farm 30. So it was it was definitely different. But again, as I got older, sports really brought me to a lot of different areas of the country and the world. So I I gotta see a lot outside of the state for sure. How how many kids were in your school? I had two hundred we actually had a decent sized school. I had 200 in my high I had two hundred in in my high school the 30. Like, just two hundred people. It's two hundred. I mean, there's not even more people in the entire state. There's not 30 people before the end. Clare's not even a million people in the entire state of South Dakota. So Wait. You can literally have a wedding with 30 that went to your high school. Like I 30, I know. I know. The thing that's so so special about it though, I still have the same friends I've had since -- That's -- you know, regarding first grade. Like, My homies Matt and, like, Chris, like, we're all still like this. So whenever I go back home, two of my sisters and my dad still lives there, 30 pick up, like, you know, nothing has ever changed. So that's something that's special and most people don't ever get experience. insane. So can you talk about your family you talk about your family dynamic? Okay. We know your two sisters were your mom and dad together throughout your we know your two sisters? 30 your mom and dad together throughout your childhood? Yeah. My so my parents were together for forty years. My mom passed away in two thousand seventeen, but she definitely lived a life in full. So I I was very fortunate. We were very fortunate to have both of our parents in the picture. Early on, my dad wasn't always in the picture. Just life was going through different addictions and things like that. So my mom had to really, you know, really hold it down. But I think that's also just as kids, we took on a lot of responsibilities at a young age, which has helped us so much later on in life. You know, we just would handle things together, which, you know, I've realized more and more as I've gotten older how fortunate we were for the family structure 30, you know, with difficulties every family goes through it. Mhmm. But to to to really have to rely on each other. We didn't even have an option, but it was never seen as a burden or anything. We just stepped together, figured it out. So four sisters, only boy, three older, one younger, and we're all super tight. And you know, even to this day, you know, everyone's, you know, driving. I'm very thankful. I was actually talking to Claire about this the other day. Mhmm. 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Howard Bauchner: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, growing up definitely. My RelationshipsPodcastsSociety my father changed a lot over the years. So I'm baby Dale. I'm Dale junior. And my dad is is, you know, definitely my best friend just like my mom was. Dale's such a cool name too. I like to know Dale. There aren't a lot of Dale. The only Dale I know is Dale Earnhardt. Okay. 10 Dale in the world. 30 time I introduce myself to this day, I've had I've had many people 30 women laugh at me and say your name is Dale, and, like, just laugh in my face. I'm, like, I I don't think it's that bad of a name. For you. What did they laugh at you? They're, like, that's terrible. I I guess, I don't look like a deal. And then they find out I'm from South Dakota, which is a conversation piece. I still have my South Dakota ID to this day. So I always send back to get it. Mhmm. Yeah. I know it's hilarious. But, you know, I think just if if we talk about moments growing up, I think the fact that I was the man of the house at such a young age was very very important for my development as a man, but also, you know, as I prepare for, you know, life with a family and marriage and and things down the road. I I understand what it's like to have to be there and be willing to support or sacrifice for the greater good of the family. And we're we're all like that. That's so cool. Definitely 30 when my mom passed, which was a traumatic time, that was one of the hardest times in in my life, in our entire 30. She was a rock that really held everything together. But looking back at it, I really had to step back and realize that I could not help my family go through a grieving process. I couldn't do anything to help my sisters or my dad who's with my mother for over forty years, grieve and have closure. And I had to really take a step back. And this has helped me a lot in life to realize that in certain instances, those are the struggles and those are the battles that people have to go through and figure it out on their own no matter how much you wanna help and really fix those things and I've carried that over in relationships. I've had to really learn that sometimes the best thing you can do and the only thing you can do is just be there and to love and support someone. Mhmm. But you can't fix all those problems. And my relationship with my mother is is different. It's more spiritual now, but we have you know, an amazing relationship. And, you know, I got to spend over 28 years of my life with one of the greatest women I could ever 30. And, you know, I gotta spend over twenty eight years of my life with one of the greatest women I could ever imagine. And most people don't get that, you know. And and I know that. And it took me a little bit to accept that and have that perspective. But looking back now, it's it's just a, you know, just a different way of viewing things. So that that has shaped me a lot. Mhmm. And I think for the first time, especially after my mother passed, I really deciding to focus on myself fully and my happiness. Obviously, I want the people around me to to be happy and I want them to be supported, but at the end of the day, I would give my last last breath for her at any moment. And once I knew she was in a better place and at ease, I felt like in my life I could really fully start focusing or I did start focusing on myself or my health and happiness in future. That's so beautiful. I love the way you phrase it because I think when people lose parents, it's it's not we always say I lost a parent, but you don't really lose them. Or I don't believe I don't believe that. I think your parent dies, but you just have a different relationship with them like you said, like spiritually. But That's awesome that you learned all that stuff from your mom and now you're like focusing on yourself. Let's talk about your own 30. Like, how did you focusing on your own happiness leads you to sort of apply to be on the bachelorette? Yeah. So I was actually nominated And Of course, of course, of course, of Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. And I want why would I also think that you submitted yourself? No. I I'm, like, whenever I ask this question, it's, like, I'm the only person I know who who just signed up for themselves. I would say that. 30, the experience I'm My experience is different than most people. The experience is something I would wouldn't change for the world. No. But I think most men get nominated. Right? Like Yeah. Yeah. So then go out of their way to go online to ABC dot com slash casting and, like, a minute, a photo of a buddy. Also, if you do, that's incredible. I think that's very amazing. Yeah. I mean, do you want you do what you do? Shoot your shot. Right? Yeah. I was nominated by Taittai, who's like little sister to me in New York. And she is always asking me, who are you dating? Who are you seeing? I never see you with anyone. And I will say, especially after transitioning from sports, like sole focus was And I it had to be that way transitioning and moving to New York City. just had to really build and reframe a life. And I was just focused on me 30 nominated 30, and I think it was October of two years ago. Now I got a call from one of the, one of the now. I got a call from one of the one of the producers, and they asked me if I'd be interested in being on the show. And I called her right after. I was like, they called 30. Clare's no way I'm doing this shit. Like, I can't I can't put all the business out there. And she's like, no, you promised 30. If if they called you, you'd go through the process. So I was like, alright. You have my word. I'll go through the process. And it's it's a pretty in-depth process, which I know y'all are both aware. And it wasn't until like, a week before everyone was actually flying out and leaving for a Clare's season that I fully committed to it. I was just 30, very weary about not having an idea of who it could be, especially, you know, thirty two, I'll be thirty three in September. I just thought if I was gonna lay out and really open up and put it all out there, I wanted to make sure that it was with someone who can handle and really understand. And I was 30, very serious and am serious about building family. That's all I've ever had growing up and that's all I wanted. So yeah, and then think I was just ready for a change too. I feel like so much of my life I'd wanted to control every aspect of things. Or I've had to or had no option. And this was something where I knew I'd have to fully give up control. Mhmm. But I was also 30, very on guard. And because I understand how reality reality TV goes and how things can be portrayed. And I also don't like the way that people of color have been portrayed in media. And I was 30, very cautious with how I was or if I was gonna approach it. And then, you know, finally after talking to my sisters and stuff, they're like, just do it. You know, I think you'll enjoy it. Put yourself out there and you never know what can happen. And that's that's pretty much the ride that got me to the bachelorette Okay. I just, Just want to stop for a second and tell you guys about this really like revolutionary, really exciting thing that can change your life if you get I just I just wanna stop for second and tell you guys about this 30, like, revolutionary, really exciting thing that can change your life if you get migraines. And I'm very passionate about this because I have very close dear friends of And I'm very passionate about this because I have very close dear friends of mine. 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So I knew I think it was, like, February twenty eighth or something like that. But, like, really close. Like, closer than most guys have to 30. Yeah. It was really, really close. And So knew that. And I think it was less, yeah, less than a 30 or about week later that we finally flew out. And it was it was really weird because, obviously, we're sitting in the hotel and then the whole pandemic is starting to really break out. Right. And I re I remember going to the airport And it was my first time really paying to a lot of attention to it. And the Uber driver just felt like straight Cloroxbleed 30 know? And it hadn't caught on everywhere else. And it wasn't even really mainstream media at the and it wasn't even 30 mainstream media at the time. And then 30 flew in and we're prepping for the show. And that's when you see, like, NBA cancel their games. Mhmm. And I remember watching that. And producers and everyone are like, you know, just hang tight. We're gonna do everything we can. We're just monitoring the situation. But I knew as soon as they canceled that NBA game, I was like, there's no one in hell. That were going on and were filming this show. So they actually cut it the night before we were gonna do limo interest entrances. Right. And I flew back to South Dakota. I couldn't even fly back to New York. So I was back there -- Oh. -- all the way till mid June. But you probably enjoyed that. Were you staying with family? Yeah. So I was staying with my sister, Robin. And I I loved it. Right away though, it was hard because no one knew what was going on. Yeah. And I was almost getting fommo. And a lot of people have said this. I felt like I should be in the trenches in York in the early stages because Yeah. -- I'm talking to my friends on the phone and, you know, they're saying how bad it is and you're hearing ambulances over and over again. But I almost felt guilt because I felt like, you know, that was my city and that was my home. You're such a New Yorker. It was a New York is such a story line over COVID and not to change, but it was like, you know, Seinfeld, Jerry, came out with that article. Ashley, did you see that where he was so mad everyone was saying New York is dead, you know. And he was like, you're not a real New Yorker in the 30. Well, I know exactly when he's talked about it. guess it's 30. Like, Ashley and I don't live in New York, but it I guess that you're proving that it's a real thing. People felt guilty like not being there and just Yeah. I wouldn't get out. I'd be like fresh South Dakota 30, like, fragile South Dakota air. I know. I'd be, like, oh my god. Air two hundred people that I school. Yeah. So it's 30 fear. It was amazing, though. It took me a couple weeks to settle in, but that's the most time I've spent with my family since high school. So I was like, it was it was amazing. And my, my sister wasn't able to And my my sister wasn't able to work, my dad wasn't able to work, you know. So it was it was just great that we could be there. And I and again, I love where I grew up. I love Mhmm. -- everything about it. But and it was, like, it didn't exist in South Dakota. So I was very blessed after that or fortunate to a degree until we went into filming. You didn't see any spikes or anything there, so I didn't laugh. Right when some of that stuff started happening, and then I was in a bubble. How mentally okay. Like Ashley and I work in this like, Ashley and I work in this 30, and I I sort of feel this way 30 people don't realize the hurry up and wait. Like, get ready and wait for me is 30 men really exhausting. It's very much a part of my job. And for someone with anxiety, like, I'm like, I just wanna get this out. I have it memorized. Like, I need I wanna do the thing. Did you feel that way when you were, like, literally about to meet Claire the next day? Did you feel 30, like, How mentally exhausting was that? And what was going through your mind while you're in South Dakota? Did you second guess going back to the show? Like, what were you feeling during that time? So I was mentally prepared and to obviously fully go on the show and I would say the great thing is you know who the lead is and you can prepare yourself mentally and emotionally for that. But I remember in June, I flew back to New York to shoot a project. And I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna I don't know if I'm gonna do this filming. Like, I I was, you know, 30 you know, we talk about like these three to five year plans. I there were so many good things happening that I'd worked so hard for. And I think it was just that little bit of moment now. And I went back and saw the city and I got a little nervous cause I was like, what's going to went back and saw the 30. And I got a little nervous because I was like, what's gonna happen? How are things gonna change? I just felt like I I didn't know if I was willing to put everything else in on hold that much longer. Especially in the midst of everything that was going on in pandemic. But and they they didn't even know if the show was gonna go. It wasn't, I think, like, June twenty fifth 30 little bit earlier where they're finally, like, okay, we got the green light because productions couldn't even go back into to shooting. And I think the show narrowly missed like, they just got approved and then other shows were getting turned now right after that because spikes were going on. So I there was definitely a moment where I didn't know if I was gonna go back, but I actually had a conversation with my dad. And he's like, I asked him, you know, what do you think I should do? If this goes, do you think Claire and I will connect? And he's like, you know, your spirits and your souls are already aligned in United if it's meant to be. So he's like, I I say you just go do it. You know, and put the art out there. You've been preparing for this. And then after that conversation with him, I was I was fully in. And then it was just I'm sorry. just like to cut it's like a 30 when you think about like when I think about Ashley and evolution of, like, everything that had to happen for them to end up together. And I'm always fascinated by this with, like, anyone's story that's why I love hearing about how people meet and Ashley had, like, her own show, like, actually asking people Harry met 30, like, how people met because it's so insane. But when you think about, like, the traject 30 like so many things that got in the way of you and Claire being together, it is astounding. Like -- Yeah. -- there was a global pandemic Like, you almost didn't do it. Like, your friend dominates you. You almost don't do it. Then you go. Then there's a pandemic. Then there's another chance for you to back out. Then you go. Then Claire, like, historically, recordly 30 a first best right to just, like, leave because she's, like, it's just you Can you can you talk about that sort of first human IRL interaction with her and, like, what that felt like? Because to people watching, I think it's like, whoa. Like, she's gonna you know, obviously, everyone was like, whoa. She's just gonna leave. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It was 30. And I I don't know, and I hadn't seen any of the other conversations. It wasn't until the show premiered where I actually saw, you know, her reaction with me coming out of the lima. And I'm someone who I feel really calm for the most part, but I was so fucking nervous. I remember walking up you know, I'm getting situated and I felt fine. And then once we actually are face to face, it's like it goes blank. But the the feelings and the emotions were were so 30. And that's something that I hadn't felt in a long time. I was in a very serious relationship before that. You know, which was a great relationship at the time. We just were at different phases in our lives. And I think anytime you go through something like that, and with anything in life that your heart's in, it takes a 30 if you lose that or you go in a different direction, it definitely takes a piece of you. And I'm someone who tends to to just bury things. And I think that's, like, how I've come up. And I felt like I've had to over years, a lot of men do that, but, but Claire really brought a lot out of me that emotions and feelings that I had, I didn't like, I hadn't felt in a long, long time, or I didn't even know if I have ever felt it in that up and I felt like I've had two over years. A lot of men do that. But but Claire really brought a lot out of me that emotions and feelings that I had. I didn't like, I hadn't felt in a long long time or didn't even know if I have ever felt it in that capacity. 30 as we gotta spend more time together on the show, I just felt more and more calm and not a not a sense of, like, confidence or arrogance. I just felt at ease. I felt I was in the right spot. Our conversations were 30 smooth, but 30 the capacity and the ability to love deeper than and stronger than anyone I've ever met. And while there's so many things that you know, are portrayed on TV and that people see or with edits and all those things, if her heart is in it, like her heart is all the way in it and there's no mistaking that. And I, you know, I really appreciated that because I feel like for me, that's how I am with the people in my life. Mhmm. There's no in 30. But it was a it was a ride. I mean, I remember when they said, oh, you know, it's finally, like, she's she's gonna leave show. This that's a rap. You know, this is this is the end of the show. And I was like, you know, you're never you don't even know what to do. Our first date. I remember when there was, like, a pause, you know, a group date thing, like -- Mhmm. -- and it was awkward on 30, but no one knew what to do. That's our first time in anything like That's our first time in anything like that. So then it's like, alright. We're done. What's next? Yeah. I remember when Chris came and talked to 30. But even then, I felt I felt calm. I think, you know, at the end of the day, was in my heart, my mind. It was always gonna be her and I at the end of it. So it's a it's a unique story for sure. Oh, wow. Yeah. And, I mean, as soon as we were done, I 30, there's still so much stuff circulating. We're over a year out now. And I think about how heavy we've had to build this relationship in front of the media, but it's been pretty much on front and center since last August, even July, before we even knew it because we're feeling. And that's not easy to do. Alright. All right. 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It's like, I have somebody feelings and I can't play it cool and -- Yeah. -- I find Clare's to 30, like, so endearing and relatable in that way. Mhmm. Have you ever been with a woman like that before? And, like, was that a quality that you liked or was that intense at first? Yeah. I can imagine. Because we feel like guys don't like that. I think I think that's sort of the society stigma. Right? Society. To 30 the cool girl, to act like you don't mean, I think, anyway, obviously, they gotta be themselves. For me, the fact that we were on camera and stuff, like, I'm very reserved. I'm someone who As much as I I, you know, share things socially, I'm actually very private with my personal life. And I think just being around sisters and stuff. Mhmm. I wanna I'll be overly cautious more than anything. So it was a lot, I would say, right away. Especially the fact that you're on cameras. I and I keep in mind, I I had never watched the show. Yeah. You had no concept of it. III truly had no concept of the show at all. And I I didn't watch a lot purposely before because I didn't wanna go in there with reconceived notion. didn't wanna go in there. You know, everyone talks has positive things to say. Some people have horror stories. Mhmm. I I kinda went in their blind, but that that's the way, you know, I I intended to do it. Mhmm. So it would I think it was a lot, you know, the first few days and the first times we spent together. But then after that, it was like, alright. Hey, I'm here. You know? Mhmm. I'm gonna give you, you know, whatever you need and vice versa. So -- Yeah. -- I think I, you know, I appreciated it for sure. And that's a thing, you know, she pulled a lot out of 30. That was probably uncommon, but those are things I need. And also just as a man, I mean, it was never anything that was too much for me to handle. I think with anything you're you're learning and meeting someone, and it's a relationship that you're building backwards. So it's just an adjustment. I love that you were able to share with us. That she pulled a lot out of you that you had never felt before. And 30, there's like the obvious things you guys have in common, like losing someone really close to you. But the reason why I love that you share that is because I think you're right, like the way editing and media and just judgments go around. Like, I'm gonna call myself out a little bit because I remember you really didn't you didn't even reach out to me and you and I have been friends from afar, you know, like, for a while, like, just following each other on Instagram over the years. But I remember so many people would I would talk to many people and be like, oh, I know that guy. And I think like, the judgment I sort of surrounded around you I think the girl that you were dating at the time I met you was like an 30, you know? And so I think it's easy to think, like, It's like, oh, does does this guy really wanna go on and, like, be in relation? You know, it's like, people think all these things, but they don't know you. They don't like, know your They don't, like, know your story. They don't here and they can't see that connection that you, like, so eloquently put into words that you have. Okay? Does that make sense? Yeah. Hundred percent. 30 feel like people perceive you on that way. Do you think people think you're like because it's like 30 me is someone who's like met you, Yep. But I think that of everyone that goes on the show now because of Instagram. think also from a producer standpoint. Right? I'm always like, okay. Why is this person what's their energetic motivation behind going? You know? Yeah. Yeah. And I I and that's completely understandable. I mean, I've I've battled that my my entire life. Whether it was just because of being an athlete, you know, just different things with, like, friends, relationships, career, whatever whatever the case and you're like a good looking. You know what I mean? It's like you have all these things that people create judgments around it. I kinda wanted to build on that. Okay. So 30, he has the looks and the personality of somebody who can, like, be a player. When I say your personality, it's because, like, you are so calm and, like, swab, but you come across like the perfect gentleman, which is why I want to know, like, how your sisters probably help shaped that. Well, you're like, I can't help the fact that I'm good looking and nice -- Yeah. -- and have a perfect team and have genuinely qualities. It's nonsensical To think that people wouldn't think that you could be a great bachelor, if that makes to think that people wouldn't think that you could be a great bachelor, if that makes sense. Right. I think the same happened with, and I know you haven't watched the show was when Jordan went on Jojo Right? I think the same happened with and I don't even watch the show with when Jordan went on Jojo season. Right? I think a lot of people are like, oh, this guy wants to be the bachelor and it's like no fault to you that you were blessed with these jeans and like, athletic ability and good smile and like and can express your emotions, which is also hard for to find in a lot of men that are good looking, I think. Yeah. I think, you know, I I It is. I've tried. I I understand those things come in to play. You know, my parents, if anything, shaped and instilled that into all of us, you know, at the the number one thing was always respect. I mean, I just remember Naz kids, you know, my dad would always say, you know, you're no better than any other person. We were taught to be servant leaders in anything that we did. And at the end of the day, like, you know, your respect in your name is really all that you have. So I think and it was tough because everyone's gonna say something, like, the Internet's undefeated. Everyone's going to think and say whatever they 50. Everyone's gonna think -- Mhmm. -- and say whatever they want. But I I've definitely learned at a young age just of how I was growing up. If I listened to everything that people said about me or my family, you know, it would, it would consume me even after the If I listened to everything that people said about me or my family, you know, it would it would consume me even after the fact. And then you talk about the show, there's so many things that get circulated circulated. And even and and even to now, like, with Clare's 30, You know, people will focus on on one thing versus the bigger picture. And I I think the show what it actually does, it's you think of 30 Sports, but everyone chooses a side. You know, everyone will choose side in it. And at the end of the day, you can't you can't win those battles, and it's not our our job to try to explain everything to everyone. So the the best thing I can do and this is all I've been able to do throughout my whole life is just 30 me and you know, in life you make mistakes and, you know, you can do everything right and people still jump all over you. But, you know, I'm 30, I'm good, and I can go to sleep at night 30 and every day just comfortable. You know what I'm saying? Amazing. So proud of proud of you. That's so great. Because I feel like you you did have a sort of 30 storm around that, and I'm sure even people in your life. You know, it's like 30 just judge as humans. It's like human nature, I think. Yeah. And I think, like, that's one thing. And I've talked to, you know, a lot of the guys on the show and we're so close and they've helped me through so many things because these are the people that 30 spend a lot of time around you, but then also your tribe and your the people who love and care about you. And it's like, you know, they can see through so many other things. But I will say, I wouldn't I I say this over and over. I wouldn't change for the world and I'm I wouldn't change anything for the world, and I'm happy. And that I've learned and experienced some of these things, you know, early on, but also it's tough with the relationship because it's, it's 30 that I've learned and experienced some of these things, you know, early on, but also it's tough with the relationship because it's it's amazing. I was talking to Mark Rome, who's a good friend, and he was saying it's amazing how many people put their hopes and dreams in the success of your RelationshipsPodcastsSociety. Rose. Yeah. Yeah. Mark Rose. 30 the love. Yep. Oh my god. Incredible Instagram. Yeah. Everybody should follow. I'm up success to them. I didn't know your friend to them. It's so cool. Yeah. He's he's he's he's a good dude. But also, he he definitely provided some advice for 30. And Clare's and I both both follow them and, you know, take things here and there. Mhmm. But the best thing that we did, I think, overall, we we personally don't dive into the relationship too heavily. We've we've decided to to keep more of our stuff private and, you know, respect that. But I think the best thing that we've done is 30 we've just focused on one another. So whatever has happened, you know, in the downtime, what people don't see, those those things are for us to know and to continue to build and I, you know, Ash, you could attest to this, being in a public it's very important to really just keep those certain things for yourself and try to build that foundation as as strong as possible. And then, you know, from there, everything else will handle itself. Especially in the beginning. Like, that was where Jared and I were so misunderstood is because there was so much going on off camera, and then you get to see little snippets on TV and people like create these huge judgments and you're like, no, you know nothing. 30, okay. Well, we wanna talk a little bit more about you. I definitely wanna talk about, like, what you you're doing, like, for good because you are involved with special Olympics because of your sister who has special needs and special Olympics just went. Wasn't it just go down in Tokyo? So they're they're actually with the the the pandemic shifted a lot of the world games. So 30, this winter in twenty twenty two, 30 going to Russia for the special Olympics winning games. Wow. So you're gonna go. Oh, yeah. I've been a Log a mile. So I've been a global ambassador since two thousand and team. That's amazing. My sister was a special of 30 growing up, and I got involved on the global scale. Yeah, two thousand fifteen beyond just the local side. And it's it's been the most life changing and powerful thing I've ever experienced. Actually, the first games I went to, the world games was in LA at the time. And they brought in seven thousand athletes from a hundred and fifty countries. So it's the second biggest sporting event aside from the Olympics. Yeah. Which 30 cool. What did you just play? She she did a wheelchair basketball and, you know, some of the some of the, like, track and field drills. And this was back in South Dakota, you know, at a at a young age. But I just, 30, was always around it also with their unified sports and unified schools programs. It affects so many students, but also 30 helps grow communities. And that is something that, you know, I'll be involved with till the day die. And it's been really amazing, the people that I've met the stories that I've heard. And, you know, as I continue to, you know, get older and more involved, I wanna bring as much to the table for that as pop well, especially coming out of the pandemic. So -- Mhmm. I'm excited about it. III don't know what's gonna happen as far as if I'll be in Russia or not, but Yes. Which sister? Is this Robin? Or which sister? This is my sister Amber, so she's five years older than is my sister Amber. So she's five year old with me. Yeah. So but you'll see her on the ground, but Can you tell us more about Amber in her journey in the Olympics? So 30 just she was involved just again at the local level. But my sister Amber, like, at five years old, she just had it had the flu or had the cold and woke up the next morning and she can never walk again. And, you know, you'd think about perspective and how that really shapes you. And, you know, I see pictures of her before 30 started getting sick. And, I mean, she's beautiful now, but she was she was fucking gorgeous, you know, stupid Clare's. I I remember, you know, I was so young when all this happened. All I've known is Amber, you know, post post sickness. And she's been the most amazing and best spirit ever. And what happens is, like, when she gets sick her white blood cells attack her nervous system. And, you know, over the course of the years, that has progressed. But when I say that she was definitely a foundational piece and really held it together for me and my other sister. She was the rock. I like, when I started kindergarten, I was reading a a fifth grade level because 30 day after school for years, she would just teach me everything that she learned every single day. Wow. And she's the buddy who I well, I 30, we can't get child services called this now, but we could we couldn't even afford babysitter. So like, it was like Amber and Robin, 30. So, like, it was, like, 30, Amber, and Robin. No. Was it did any look, my parents left my brother and I alone, like, literally when I was, like, seven. I was, like, this is not or, like, even younger. Yeah. So 30 but we were just always together. And even to this day, like, I mean, text over and over and over again every night, Amber and I talk, but that's how our entire family is. And I think anything and this is true with everyone in our 30, if we're doing something in life, there's a reason or a story behind it and it's usually tied to one another. Like, the special Olympics is for you know, my sister Amber and, you know, all the things that and how our community helped and supported us growing up. And and that was a really big part of it, you know. Right. My sister, she was always driven to get into real estate, which she's starting to have some great success now because my family never owned a home. So she bought it for the home. Gotcha. So cool. Congrats. Yeah. They got the purpose behind different things. But yeah, that's you know, Amber, she's one of a kind. You'll see her on the gram or or something like that. And my goal is, next time 30 have a big event in the US, I wanna make sure that she's she's at one of the big games here in the United States. So once we get through the pandemic, you know, we'll definitely do that. What was her diagnosis? In autoimmune disease, I can't even think of the name of it right now. When she was diagnosed, there was only eight cases of it in the entire When she was diagnosed, there was only 30 cases of it in the entire world. So Oh. Crazy. Yeah. And, you know, over the course of the years, And when we were young, you know, she had to have, like, brain surgery for for tumors, you talk about hospitals, like, I feel like we lived in a hospital you know, up through middle school just with things that would go on with her periodically. But again, we had great support system, the community I grew up in, you talk about how how much they rallied around our family and helps support us over a period of time. And that's, again, those are things that you don't get in a lot of places. And we were so fortunate to to grow up. And that's why I have so much love and pride for where I grew up in my home state. Whenever I feel like I'm surrounded by people who aren't either able-bodied or have some type of disability, it just reminds me of the resilience of, like, the human spirit, and there's so much to learn. And I love like, now some they're 30, we're getting more representation, you know, for people who are deaf. Like, I watched this film called Sound of Metal last year, and I 30, like, oh, I'm the one that's disabled. Like, I can't speak sign language. Like, that's a way that I can't communicate with people and, like, these things aren't disabilities in any way. What's, like, what have you taken away by having Ambras sister. Like, what does she taught you through her lens and experience about life? Yeah. I think the biggest thing is, like, you know, life's not as bad as we often make it out to be. And it's amazing how much just, like, kindness and consistency 30 and, you know, laughing can completely change your life because, you know, everyone that knows Amber knows her to a 30 and she's truly you're never gonna see 30 unhappy, disappointed 30 never forgets. It's like the small things that really make a big difference. And then also as I've gotten older and I'll say even with the special Olympics organization. I I've really realized how these inclusive communities, how they they completely change whatever town or city that they're in. You know, I focus a lot on the unified sports program. Unified schools program is actually one of the top training programs for healthcare practitioners and nurses to make sure that they're actually I mean, they're farther along because they know how to treat people with showing physical disabilities, whereas most people come out of college and have never seen a patient like that. And a lot of the testing that they do on these athletes for the world games and the treatments they get carried over and transferred into professional sports because there's so much attention to detail and care that has to be taken. And 30 are usually some of the top you know, healthcare professionals in their field have all gone through or worked with special in the midst of some time. I love that. It's amazing. And that means a lot to me that you that they include intellectual disabilities. Cause my brother has learning because my brother has learning disabilities. And I feel like sometimes when it's not like physical, I've said this before, it can sort of fly under the radar and there's like people out there that need and I feel like Sometimes when it's not like physical, I've said this before, it can sort of fly under the radar and there's like people out there that need help. So that's so cool. So that's what's next for Amber, where where are you sort of in your in your life 30, not that you are your career or 30, but and we know you wanna be like a director, but what Is there anything I can say? And a dad. Like, what? A za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za za. Are you yeah. Like, what's next? Are you guys thinking about having family, like, soon ish? Is that just sort of, like, in the somewhat near future? Yeah. I 30, everything, you know, again, with with us right now, we're we're just we're focused on just building the strongest relationship as as we possibly can. And 30, the goal and everything in mind, even stepping into it, which, you know, I think a lot of people may feel different when they go on show like this, but the goal is to to to build a life, build a family, you know, have a marriage, But the best thing that again 30 we've done is just we're focusing on each other and building a strong of a foundation as possible. You know, in life beyond that, I feel like now that things are opening up Naz been really exciting. You know, I'm starting to host a lot more events which has always been a really big focus of mine. And getting back to 30, it it was tough because everything went virtual and digital, which Also, last year, I was filming a show. But before, I was doing a lot more in hosting. I was doing things during Super Bowl and I'll those things. But again, I just want to continue as a storyteller. I I really admire a lot of figures And I've been, you know, people like, oh, you're just doing this for fame or this or that? It's like, no. You're always yeah. Yeah. My life is I've had a life well before the show and not a lot of things have changed. I'm just still on that path. You know, I wanna definitely get more involved the goal is to eventually do documentaries, you know, at, like, thirty for thirty. So powerful That show Olympics, 30 for 30, thirty thirty. They're so powerful. And but that's focus. I wanna continue to build in front of the lens as a host in sports and entertainment and continually just try to get involved with more projects behind the lens. And help other people share their stories. That's the biggest thing. So as we kind of wrap up here, we wanna do some fun questions, some would you rather, some I don't get it. Yeah. 30, you said, An, I don't get it I don't get it. Right? I do. I do. But I wanna get to the I don't get it after we ask this very critical question that Naz wants to ask a guided she was dating -- Uh-huh. -- in the car. Okay. So she like, so fucking lame, really So she, like, felt fucking She felt really awkward. There's an a silence. She wanted to billet and randomly she asked, what's your favorite donut? And she felt so embarrassed, but I was like, that can tell so much about 30. Yeah. And it's it's really because of how they answer it. Like w the passion that they deliver it Like, the passion that they deliver it with. So one of our followers ask that question for you. Yeah. Which is hilarious. Can I just say, cause I don't even eat donuts, but 30, can I just say? Because I don't even eat donuts. It's so funny. Yes, what? Do you have a favorite donut? Do you even eat it? I love a Corona. Does that work? Yeah. That's so New York to you because that's I think where the Corona was born. So that is very emblematic of fashion. new. You're York going to I think it's called the doughnut pub. I've I've tried a little bit of all of them, but that And I'm not gonna lie. I love a fresh 30 cream doughnut -- Yeah. -- right right. When they're made in your mouth, bring it up when they're made. Off the conveyor belt, just like well singing your bow. Track. Because they're they're springing up now. I've like, I thought they'd, like I don't know. They I thought they were, like, bankrupt or something. They're, like, oh, no. They're they're killing it still. I like it. There's just a ton of I mean, bics on. You gotta go check out. So many shots. This podcast also is just, like, a major fast food kind of sword. Sort of, like, space. Do you, like, do you indulge or are you just, like, super clean with your eating? Like, what's your, like, guilty sort of, like, I'm going in today? I I don't make food my enemy, honestly. I used to do it. I think when I was transitioning out of sports and I was modeling with Wilamena at the time I remember that, like I went through this phase where I felt like I had to fit this think when I was transitioning out of sports and I I was modeling will let me know at the time. I remember that, like, I went through this phase where I felt like I had to fit this mold. Like, just like women, you know, men deal with it all the time too. Mhmm. And I I just got to a point. I'm like, what am I doing? Like, if I'm gonna enjoy myself, I'm gonna enjoy myself. But there's nothing better to me than just, like, authentic street tacos. Street tacos through in Peru. Yeah. I'm out to LA then. I know. They're everywhere. The the place I used to live in LA, had the best food truck right on the corner. I used to go there 30 day almost. But and then hot wings, I'm a I'm a huge buffalo, hot wings. Fanatic. And they're it's hard to find 30, really good Not a problem. Florida's like a chicken wing state. Like, I feel like when I left Florida, like, people Like, now just eat wings on Super Bowl Sunday, but I'm like and I think this way about Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. The 30 Coast thing. I'm like this 30 you're right, Ash. Cause obviously you're like Northeast, but like Thanksgiving Because obviously you're, like, northeast. But like, thanksgiving food. I'm like, why don't we eat this more times throughout the year chicken I'm, like, why don't we eat this more times throughout the year? Chicken wings, why don't I eat it more? And, like, I love the house in Florida. My mom was, like, we're getting wings and curly fries. Like, that was, like, big for my mom, like, the 30. Yeah. Yeah. There's so good. But I I 30 a little bit of everything. I had loved food. I'm an average 30. Obviously, I'm mindful of my health and wellness. I 30 went back to school. I'm in the process right now. I'm getting my health coaching certification. No way. Congrats. It's so cool. Yeah. And I honestly, the reason I did that, it's more on the holistic side, but I think this year, I realized how much I was missing with community, but also anchors that kept me grounded in my spirituality, in my mindfulness, and everything. So I made a commitment just to to really go back. So I'm a a quarter of the way done, six month program, which I'm actually I'm loving it. Yeah. I mean, life is you know, it's it's a it's an entire, like, a to when they say total body approach, like mind body spirit everything. So I just want to like make a quick note about something you said, I love that you said I don't make just wanna, like, make a quick note about something you said. I love that you said I don't make food my enemy because I think the energetic space that you bring behind and motivation is very important. Like, I think Yeah. -- when when we think of, like, losing weight, a lot of people wanna lose weight because maybe deep down they just think that they need to look skinny, sort of, to be accepted. And I was very cognizant of, like, I just want to eat healthy and lose weight to feel great, not because I need to look a certain way so that guys like me are to and just approaching it in that way with the energy behind it. I'm doing this to feel great not to be accepted. I think is, like, huge. So I love that you said, like, you're sort of in that holistic space in mind, but it doesn't look nice. That's the number one thing. It's it's it's just about being feel at the end of the day. It's all about just health and it's all about just health and 30. And no one can define that by yourself. So yeah. That's that's best approach. Did you ever have any embarrassing or awkward moments while modeling? I'm, like, I mean, such a good question. Like, how do you even have a model phase? I I, like, look like I'm taking a shit. I, so I got into so I got into it. I was doing a lot of sports working with top fitness brands and things like that. But I've definitely had an embarrassing moment. I I got booked for a project, and I thought I was going to, like, some Broadway thing. And they're like, they're gonna be cost assumes and everything there. This don't worry. This will just be internal or whatever. Oh, wow. The parties say it constantly hours it is. I'm This is so mean, 30? No. I'm two hours away. I roll into this place and I walk in. I'm like, where where the fuck am I right now? And then I start seeing some of the cost, and and I'm someone who doesn't like, I don't dress up for 30. I don't and I was like, oh, god. What do I do? I remember calling my agent. I was like, this is not what it is what you said it was gonna 30. Yada yada. And he's like, just knock it out. You know, gotta do it ever again. And I mean, yeah, that's how the whole party city thing came. And I I remember after it just thinking, like, I hope this just never sees the light of day and, you know, it's Wait. Wait. Guys, I don't know what you're talking about. Were you in, like, some viral party anything that I'm Once 30, like, hit This This was viral, but I just learned to is viral. But you I just learned to laugh. mean, if that's the worst thing Can you tell It, can you tell me another people who don't know what can you tell me and other people who know know what happened. It's like a The thing that went viral was like a Superman outfit at Del taco, thing that went viral was like a Superman outfit at Dale Taco and then Like, Dale's like, a a 30, like, a gladiator. Wait. I have to Google this right now. Chris Harrison I think Chris Harrison actually wore it for Halloween last year. I felt like he was It. Yeah. Oh, MAs party Moss 30 City. Oh my god, Dale. This is iconic. How do you envision this? So ironic. This is my TMZ, 30, Bachelorette, contestant, damn bad one was out of my gosh. I know, but I don't know. But, hey, you just kinda learned to lean lean in and laugh at it. I mean, I I never thought it 30 the light of the day I did. I mean, I got I got some racks off it, which is not the the full motivation. But after that, I said, never again in my I I doing that. But it's it's funny at the end of the day like who But that was the most embarrassing moment and that came well after the fact. I think that was four years ago. Over four years Over four years ago. Wow. Alright. Well, let's let's wrap this up with the few. I don't get it. It's okay. So mine this 30. Is I don't think I get self checkout at the grocery store because no one is no one is good at 10. the line is always like, you're like, oh, okay. Self checkout. Like, those people have five items. I'll get right behind them. And then you have to call the check. You know, the person who's you know, the person who's nearing. There's always a check. You always need their monitoring. And then they always yeah. 30 to come over. And here I am thinking like, The guy in front of me, he was, like, must have been, like, sixty. He was going really slow on it. Just, like, I don't know. I'm, like, okay. I'm gonna hit my millennial. I ain't gonna be able to, like, rip through this so that the people behind me don't get too annoyed at the fact that they've chosen a horrible line. And then I get up there and the woman had to come up and, like, scan her little thingy four times because It was just, like, I you know how it says, like, put your item in, like, on, like, the scale thing so that, like, it knows that you check something. I checked it out. I had something as light as, like, crystal light. Okay? And it didn't register. So every time someone so light. That light down, It was like, needs to needs to see cashier. And I'm like, oh my god, this just should not exist if we don't have the technology to make it efficient. Yeah. It's a whole thing, that self checkout, man. I hate to look at self checkout the same again. I hate self checkout. I never do it because I like to support humans. And And so, but then when those lines are long, I'm like, Ugh, so but then when those lines are long, I'm like, oh, fine. I'll do self checkout. No. The human line, no matter what, almost always is short. It's it's 30 was faster. Not 10 LA. It's not long. 30 so young there. Naz. Oh, is that? Oh, oh, That makes makes sense. That tracks. Sidetrack. Yeah. I guess, I should go back to Florida. I wonder if oh my god. In Florida, you die at the self checkout line. I wonder if public's even has self checkout. Oh, public's goes hard. I love publish. Oh, my god. Can we just oh, the gummy bears, the pub subs? Like, I misspelled gummy 30. God damn day. I spent a lot of time in Florida in, like, Sarasota area and -- Yeah. -- I love. Oh my god. And the chicken, the fried chicken in Publix. All the things. That's the case. Alright. What what other questions you got here? We have some other stuff you. You have an item to get it? Okay. Oh Oh, yeah. I don't. I was actually looking because I, I had like a whole list and I think I went through I was actually looking because I I had, like, a whole list last week. And think I went through twenty And so I don't have one right now that I can think of. Do you have one deal? I think so. I was just thinking about this because I was craving in and out burger, but I don't get I don't get in and out. So I don't get how they cannot figure out a system to keep these lines from being around the block. know people come, but there's got I know they've got people out there working, but they can they put in two drive up windows or something like that? They so we can always do. There are ones with two drive up windows. But I you know what you know what I like about the line is it makes me feel like what's being made back there is fresh and not like and not pop in the microwave, like, you know, like, I used to do a dumpster. I 30, I still wait there. Hold on. Wait. Wait. Wait. What's your order in and out? I do the protein I do the protein style No. You're so dumb. Inside. Double double. Double double. 30 do you even hold the patties, like, within the slippery lettuce? That that just seems like a gravitational anomaly. This is So I get a double double protein style, and then I get a double double regular with the hot peppers on stuff. Kind of defeats the kinda 30 the perfect. Yeah. Excellent. Okay. Okay. I love I got your accent right now. I I don't feel as guilty. So I love That's that's a that's a guilty pleasure for Warburger p two. There we go. I love it. Well, Dale, this has been so much Dale, this has been so much fun where thank you for your I don't get it, and thank you for your honesty vulnerability for coming on in talking to Ashley. Your time. 30 are so happy for you and Clare's. Like, as someone I mean, I can't speak for 30, but, like, as someone who works on a couple shows that Claire was on, like, to just know that -- Sure. -- you guys are together, you know, and, like, so happy and, like, this journey like, so many people relate to Clare's. I think Ashley and I really do too because, you know, some sometimes we're just getting up there in age and haven't found our person and, like, just knowing you and being lucky to have, like, met you. It just it just make warms our hearts that you guys are together and, like, happy and it's so cool. So thanks for talking to us about it. Yeah. No. I I appreciate it. I was excited to get on. Yeah. We haven't done a lot of interviews separately like, even separately or together. So it was fun to just get on and riff with y'all, and I appreciate you thinking about me. Yeah. Of course. Where can people find you? Dale? You can find 30 on Instagram at 30 moss 13. I'm starting to get my tick top game going starting to get my TikTok game going. Be 30 on. Nice. TikTok. Yes. My alter ego is gonna come up. Gotta do it too. Do you you dance? Because I 30 like that's like a 30 to being on tickets. I I do some of the dance is I'm not the greatest dancer, but you know, I have fun with it. At the end of the day, like, I don't I don't have problem making fool of myself and acting like a big ass kid. So I hate her apples you know, at at the 30 least I can do that. So there's some entertainment over there. And, you know, Facebook, I think it's official, Dale Moss. I don't use Facebook that I don't use Facebook that much. Right. And then other than that, just check me out on social, and then you'll see anything else that pops up. Amazing. Thank you, thank you, Dale. 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