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laughing because we started it we

0:58

started it and your mind was somewhere else that I knew your

1:01

mind was somewhere else that you were like The

1:04

music went too long before you said it. Yeah, I wasn't

1:06

thinking I was Normally you said

1:08

something already you're like I

1:11

knew you were gone. You're like you're bright with somewhere

1:13

else. Kermit the Frog was piggy They fucked what type

1:15

of a hybrid animal would that be? Pig

1:18

frog I just looked at your face to no one's gonna see

1:20

your face in that part, but you're like this What

1:25

gigs do I got coming up Vegas this week

1:27

eighth and ninth at the Mirage Please

1:31

come out. You're in straight. He's coming up for

1:33

the NRL stick around. Yeah, the hard rock yet

1:39

Okay, they'll keep that name but who knows our

1:41

spirit mountain casino the next week on the 16th

1:43

and Grand Ronde Grand Ronde Oregon

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the 22nd 23rd of March you'll be in Des

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Moines at the 22nd and Kansas

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City, Missouri on the 23rd then you're

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in South Africa you go to Spokane,

1:54

Washington, Denver, Colorado L.A.

1:57

Gig has been rescheduled for December this year

1:59

been scheduled but you got

2:01

gigs in Fort Lauderdale, San Francisco, more

2:03

Las Vegas, a bunch of

2:05

other stuff. Go to the Jim jeffries.com for

2:07

his whole tour. You can find everything on

2:09

there. And I'm about if you're a Canadian

2:12

fan and you live in Canada, I have

2:15

a big announcement coming out in about a week

2:17

or so. Yeah. It's not

2:19

what you think it's going to be. It's

2:21

a big thing. Only for Canada.

2:24

And IDCAT podcast on Instagram. The merch will be

2:26

very soon. The final ones are coming in. We're

2:28

all going to take a look at them. All

2:30

right. We're only going to live in a matter

2:33

of time this year but I got to tell

2:35

you what happened to me yesterday. For a story

2:37

you know. This is my life as life happens.

2:41

I'm not going to say where this happened because I

2:43

have to see these people on the regular. It's

2:46

a thing to do. I'll just say

2:48

it's parents of parents

2:52

of other kids at my kids school and stuff like that. You

2:54

know what I mean? So I was at a stuff.

2:57

It was at me kids baseball. All

2:59

right. Me kids baseball the other day.

3:02

And I had a hemorrhoid that's popped.

3:05

Right. What does that mean? It

3:07

means it was bleeding profusely. But

3:09

I thought I thought

3:12

I'd gotten it earlier that day. Right. Yeah.

3:14

Now you know when you shit yourself. Yeah.

3:16

Right. There's a smell involved. Right.

3:18

So even if you don't feel

3:20

the shitting of yourself, you can smell

3:23

the shitting of yourself. Yes. And that can work

3:25

as a survival technique in its own way. I

3:28

have to get home and clean the shit off

3:30

myself. Well I

3:32

did not know this but I had

3:34

a hemorrhoid that had popped that had

3:36

seeped through my pants. You wrote to

3:38

me I had a hemorrhoid popping

3:41

blood all over my pants at Hank's baseball practice.

3:43

I go was it was

3:45

it showing? And you go you tell me. Show

3:47

the picture. No the public can't see. It

3:52

was a gunshot wound. Yeah. Inside

3:54

the bed. It looks like I

3:56

committed suicide by putting a shotgun up my ass.

4:00

the pants though, is it that bad

4:02

outside? It had to go through underwear,

4:04

the underwear was in a real state.

4:11

And you didn't feel like, oh you were just a bit

4:13

swampy down there? I wasn't feeling

4:16

it, I knew that my hammer... The

4:18

next thing you wrote, I feel great now

4:21

because it's gone but you saw it. There's

4:23

inside, there's outside. Oh jeez, I think I

4:25

got three partner at the outside. There's outside,

4:28

yeah, outside's no good. Hey, don't move on,

4:30

the screen's on it for a second, I'll take the screen shots.

4:33

Pixelated. And

4:35

I was like, you don't know if anyone saw it. They

4:38

must've. But the brother thought you'd catch up with something.

4:40

No one said, yeah, that's my out. My out is

4:42

I sat in something because it was red and I

4:44

was like... I came home and the wife was cooking

4:47

dinner and I came home like this, my son doesn't

4:49

know either because I didn't tell him, I was just

4:51

like this. I had

4:53

a bad hemorrhoid today, how bad was it? I had

4:56

turned around and she was like, oh my God, get

4:58

upstairs quickly, you have a shower, and I was like,

5:00

oh. Were you not lightheaded? It

5:02

looks like so much blood. I like so much

5:04

blood. I'm

5:07

not allowed to give blood because I'm anemic. I go in

5:09

there and they don't let me. Wow.

5:12

They don't let me. Also, there used to be a question

5:14

back in the day, have you ever seen

5:16

an escort, you had to tickle the different boxes whether you

5:18

could give it out or not? I did an

5:20

escort. Yeah, I was like this, I can't give blood. Sorry,

5:23

rest of the world. I

5:26

think they're a bit more lax with it now because they

5:29

can test the blood. Back in the 90s with the worrying

5:31

about the AIDS and that type of stuff, that

5:33

was on the list of shit. I

5:36

remember trying to give blood in the 90s and I

5:38

was like, can't give it away, anemic. What

5:41

are you doing with these pants? I washed them,

5:43

they came out great. Yeah, threw them straight

5:46

in the machine, they fixed. That would be like an ad for

5:48

hide or something. I was just there, I put them up for

5:50

auction. These

5:52

things here look like I sat on a murder. It

5:55

was unbelievable. And now I'm

5:57

completely better, I had no problems with hemorrhoids.

6:00

One swelled up and then I had a bad poo and

6:02

then it was dripping a bit and then... Because

6:04

you gotta understand, Zabariko's vein, it's

6:06

a vein that's busted, right? It's

6:09

squirting fucking blood. It's squirting

6:11

blood, right? It was an episode that everyone tuned

6:13

out of. Yeah, and I

6:15

thought I'd fixed it. I thought I'd

6:18

pushed it back up. If I

6:20

knew it was gonna be like this, I would've put a fucking... Did

6:24

you stand up a lot at the game? Give a rally on

6:26

the drums! It was training.

6:28

I was helping collect balls. If

6:33

I just sat in the stand, I would've gotten away

6:35

with it. But I'm out there going, there you go

6:38

lads. I'm not

6:40

very... This is in front of kids. I'm not

6:42

very coordinated. Some

6:45

of the dads are there with gloves and stuff and trying to

6:47

help out and stuff like that. I try

6:49

to make myself busy. I collect a few balls and put them in the

6:51

buckets and stuff. I

6:53

do things like that. I do a bit

6:55

of low maintenance work around the place. All

6:57

whilst having a fucking Japanese flag on my

7:00

fucking asshole. That's more than

7:02

a Japanese flag. It's three parts. It

7:04

was the Japanese flag when they opened

7:06

up the flag for the World Series

7:09

final. Anyway,

7:13

let's see. Before

7:15

we go, April 24th, 26th, Factory Theatre, Sydney. I'll

7:17

be there. Please buy tickets. Sydney,

7:20

Australia. Jack, we recorded this bit

7:22

after the first bit. You'll

7:25

now know why I'm referencing. Let's

7:29

just say that what I did was not

7:32

what this next subject is. Now

7:36

let's meet our guest, Jason Tatinger. G'day

7:38

Jason. Thank you for being on the

7:40

podcast. But more importantly, now it's time

7:43

to play... Yes, no.

7:45

Yes, no. Yes, no.

7:47

Yes, no. Now,

7:49

Jason, I'm looking at you. You've got

7:51

art behind you. It's

7:55

art of wildlife. We've got elephants. We've got birds. We've

7:57

got a skull there with things. We've got paint. brushes.

8:00

We've got a soundproof booth which

8:02

means you probably do something. I'm going to say

8:05

it's the life and times of Bob Ross, am

8:08

I correct? I

8:10

wish. Is

8:12

it art related? Yes

8:16

but not in the present. Is

8:18

it the history of art? That would

8:22

be a long bug. Is

8:26

that a no? History of

8:28

art? That's a no. Okay,

8:31

okay. Is it the difference

8:35

between oil and acrylics? Look

8:38

at you Jim. Well I've got to go further back

8:40

than that. My son's in art so I bought all

8:42

oils and acrylics and stuff. I've gone to acrylics. I

8:44

didn't know that if I had oil paint that my

8:47

skin would be stained for the rest of my life. You

8:50

fucking watch Bob Ross. That cunt's doing it

8:52

in a white shirt just like this and

8:54

mix a bit of the titanium white with

8:57

the blue and over here then

8:59

fix your brush. I

9:01

was doing that in the garage. I look like a

9:03

Jackson polypaint. I'm pretty sure I've got

9:10

some type of cancer from it. Anyway. I

9:13

know that you're really in the Bob Ross now. At some point

9:15

we'll do a Bob Ross. Oh you've got to do Bob Ross.

9:17

It's not Bob Ross. Bob Ross is fantastic. How does he do

9:19

it? It's like watching magic. Is

9:22

it Aboriginal dot

9:24

paintings? What?

9:29

There was going to be a segment originally

9:31

but we narrowed the focus down a little

9:33

bit. Oh. You guessed what it

9:35

was going to be. Is it modern

9:37

art? No.

9:42

Like I said

9:44

it predates the oil

9:46

and acrylic. Is it

9:49

Ruben and Fachix? No.

9:53

Okay. That's what Ruben liked right?

9:55

Ruben like the Rubens? Ruben-esque. Yeah

9:58

it was Pee Wee Herman. Yeah. Ha!

10:00

Ha! I would think... Curvy women!

10:03

Ha! Ha! I would think a

10:05

time period. Oh. Oh.

10:07

Is it the Renaissance? Well, if

10:09

you're gonna say it like that, we're

10:11

gonna stop the podcast right now. Yeah.

10:13

Renaissance. Renaissance? You say Renaissance? I say

10:16

Renaissance. Renaissance. Renaissance. How

10:18

do you say it, Jason? Renaissance or Renaissance? I

10:21

say Renaissance, but, you know, Jim's

10:24

a little... maybe his English is

10:26

a little better than ours. Yeah.

10:28

I probably say it the way

10:30

that the British say it. Yeah,

10:32

they're Renaissance. And the language is

10:34

called English. That's true. Not Australian.

10:36

He's a Renaissance man. Renaissance man.

10:38

Renaissance, Renaissance. Renaissance. Mmmmmm. Uh...

10:42

Renaissance Zellweger. Ha! Ha! Ha!

10:45

We're gonna be talking about the Renaissance,

10:47

specifically, like, mostly about the art of

10:49

the Renaissance, but, uh... Uh,

10:51

J... Michelangelo, Leonardo, DiCaprio. They're

10:54

all there. Uh,

10:56

J... Jason Tatinger is an artist, an art

10:58

instructor, and an art history enthusiast. Overtittles. Jason

11:01

runs a YouTube channel about watercolor painting

11:03

and mindset for artists. His

11:06

YouTube channel showcases the distinctive watercolor

11:08

techniques, as you can see if

11:10

you're on YouTube. Hello! Jason also

11:12

leads watercolor workshops and designs t-shirts.

11:14

His store, Merchmonger, draws inspiration from

11:16

a variety of sources, including some

11:18

of our episodes. This is Phantom ID Cat. Oh, wow! Uh,

11:21

yeah. His YouTube channel

11:23

is at JT8NJR, and his

11:25

Instagram is at Jason Tatinger.

11:27

His last name is T-A-I-T-T-I-N-G-E-R.

11:30

Facebook at JBT8NJR, and you can

11:32

email him. You gave your email.

11:35

You want people to email you?

11:37

Yeah, [email protected]. Sure! Uh,

11:39

so go check out, uh... We

11:41

have links to all this stuff. Watercolor.printifyme

11:43

and merchmonger.printifyme to see some of his

11:45

art there, and paintings and things you

11:47

can buy. There's, uh... I'll

11:49

show you right now. We'll put these up here, but... He sent some

11:52

of his artwork in, but he also did, like... It's

11:55

all the subject we've ever done on ID Cat.

11:57

Mmm. And then... Oh,

11:59

wow! Steak is really that's a

12:01

good one. That is a good one. Yeah, he's offered

12:03

to send us to order stick Yeah, I don't know

12:05

if I wanted I still want to go to a

12:07

poor and I see you got a poor mistake T-shirt

12:09

Yeah, I think I think we offer to send it

12:11

to him I don't want to put pressure on him,

12:13

but he's offered to send us t-shirt. Oh, yeah. I

12:15

love it You still want to

12:17

call a lot of it to a stick? Yeah, can't

12:20

do it anymore We took that as a last podcast

12:22

what can't find dog shit anyway. Oh, that's right Yeah,

12:24

so go and back in the day you get poor

12:26

to sticky Always found it weird that I was at

12:28

school. I was stepping in dog shit that Who

12:32

brought the dog to school? Let me tell you

12:34

something funny that happened from our last episode was

12:36

you mentioned that you never step in dog shit anymore It

12:38

was like a curb episode and then literally the next day

12:41

I came over to your house to play pinball I brought

12:43

Arnie and Arnie was running around my yard in your yard

12:45

and then I went talking for a walk and he

12:47

hadn't Pooped and I'm like, oh my god that he pooped

12:49

in Jim's yard And I didn't know that and then I

12:51

thought you're gonna say and then he pooped right after that

12:54

But for a moment if you wouldn't have pooped I

12:56

would have thought there was poop in your yard I would have to go back there.

12:58

You would have stepped in it, you know the rest.

13:00

So here's what we're gonna do I'm gonna ask

13:02

Jim a series of questions about the Renaissance and

13:05

Renaissance art at the end

13:07

of him answering these questions Jason You're gonna grade him

13:09

on his accuracy 0 through 10. Yeah Jackson grade him on

13:11

how confident he is and I'm gonna grade him I

13:13

know hungry. I am Hmm.

13:17

Jack didn't think that was funny. Yeah, I I

13:21

We actually record the first bit before the

13:23

second bit because our guest has been here

13:25

before earlier And so you're gonna record the

13:27

first bit So I'm gonna tell a story

13:29

in the first bit the Jack doesn't know

13:31

yet, but I'm gonna reference it now. Uh-huh

13:33

as a Bit

13:36

of modern art, okay All

13:39

right. So we're gonna add all the scores together

13:41

if you score 21 through 30 year ceiling painting,

13:43

you know old Michelangelo 11 through

13:45

20 canvas. Ah, that was the Sistine Chapel my

13:47

friend. I hope that's a question. I've seen it.

13:50

I was so drunk Wandering

13:55

around just looking at pictures. Where is he?

13:57

Where's the bloke on the roof? You

14:01

must have been a delight for all the people

14:03

that saved all their money to go there. I

14:05

was twenty-one years old, I was fucking blasted walking

14:07

around museums in Italy, drunk at everyone. People that

14:09

were like fifty, like we finally made it, there's

14:12

just some Australian guy and we're like, rah! Yeah,

14:14

this is still a church. Where's the bit where

14:16

was he just extend his fucking finger? He's

14:19

trying to touch God. Who is it, is

14:22

that him or is it Abraham? Who is he just trying to touch God

14:24

there? I don't know. It's Adam.

14:26

It's Adam, right? Extend your finger,

14:29

cunt. What was the Renaissance? The

14:33

Renaissance was a rich and

14:35

fulfilling and bold era of the art world.

14:37

Was it? Yeah, it

14:39

was maybe where we got true imagery

14:42

of Renaissance paintings. Do you want to

14:44

know what years? Sure. That's

14:49

the next question. Is that your answer for what? Yeah,

14:52

the 1800s. 1800s,

14:55

and that's the end of your answer for what

14:57

the Renaissance was? Yeah, man. Define

15:01

a Renaissance man. Ah,

15:03

he's a person that has a little

15:06

bit of je ne sais

15:08

quoi, a little bit of

15:10

Jacques-Coudeau. Jacques-Coudeau. I just say

15:12

things now. It's like I'm on

15:14

the one percent club and people come up to me and ask

15:16

me for one percent questions, so I've made up ones that don't

15:18

have any answers and I walk away. I

15:20

go, if Tuesday is a Monday and

15:23

February is August, what

15:26

is July? And then I

15:28

walk away, leave it with them. Yeah. Is

15:32

that the end of your answer, Define a Renaissance? The answer

15:34

is seven. What

15:36

converging events and technologies helped

15:38

spark the Renaissance? Oh,

15:41

the invention of oil

15:43

paint. Yeah? Yeah, oil paint. Oil

15:45

paint, putting it in. The Renaissance was all

15:48

about art, just so you know. Ah, there

15:50

was other things, mandolin playing. There

15:53

was lots of things. It

15:56

was when Europe was at its peak culturally,

15:58

when it was really doing it. all

16:00

the best stuff it could do. Actually I'm gonna go further back

16:02

than the 1800s. 1700s give it a go. Give

16:05

a rally on the drums. And then so the

16:07

converging events of technologies was oil

16:10

paints, sparked it. Oil paints and

16:12

the first bloke that invented stretching

16:15

canvas. Before it was just like a

16:17

blanket and no one really painted it and then the

16:19

guy goes put wood behind it and stretch it out make

16:21

it a bit, make it taut.

16:23

Okay name five artists that

16:25

for, name the four

16:27

artists that the four ninja turtles are

16:30

named after. What were their

16:32

weapons? Like what did they do?

16:35

Okay so Raphael had size right

16:37

which is like three prongs. No no

16:39

I mean like their weapons and quotes

16:41

like as the Renaissance what did they

16:43

do? Donatello used to stick. No no

16:45

in the Renaissance what did they do?

16:48

Like nunchucks. Were they painters? No painters.

16:50

No no each one. Okay

16:53

okay so Michelangelo. Yeah. Michelangelo

16:57

wrote did the Sistine Chapel, the statue

16:59

of David, other statues that he never

17:01

finished. He was a

17:04

master statue

17:06

maker with marble but also could paint

17:08

like a motherfucker man. Okay. Yeah

17:10

so that was him. He was

17:12

probably Italy's finest of all time.

17:14

And Raphael was. Raphael was a

17:16

painter. He did that painting that

17:18

had that sort of bloke who

17:21

had like a little bit of a goatee. He

17:23

was into the paint Raphael. Donatello.

17:26

Donatello did a Banksy

17:29

style thing with stencils and

17:31

spray paint all around the Sistine

17:33

Chapel. Like if there was a hole in spray paint a

17:35

little rat running out of it. And

17:38

he was also a poet. It was the fourth ninja turtle. Donatello

17:42

Raphael Michelangelo. Leonardo

17:46

da Vinci. What did he

17:49

do in real life? Leonardo da Vinci.

17:51

He painted the Mona Lisa. And

17:54

he also painted things like the

17:56

inventor. Yeah but he's also an

17:58

inventor. He invented. the idea

18:01

of helicopters and stuff

18:03

like that. He was

18:05

a master engineer on top of being a painter.

18:08

And what weapon did he have as a turtle?

18:11

Leonardo. Leonardo was

18:14

swords. Name

18:18

some Renaissance artists that are... Which is much better than a

18:20

stick. Much better than a stick. Much better than a

18:22

stick. Name

18:24

some Renaissance artists that are not Ninja

18:26

Turtles. Monet. He would have been one.

18:30

Actually I think he's way afterwards. I

18:32

think he's in the... Not Renaissance? Yeah,

18:35

but I'll throw him in there. Monet. Master

18:37

Splinter. Monet. Master Splinter.

18:40

That big fucking... the one that looked

18:42

like a pig with a rhino.

18:45

Rocksteady and Bebop. Any

18:47

other artists? Any

18:51

other artists from the Renaissance? It

18:53

was more than four. Yeah, no, it was

18:55

more than four. But I'm trying to think.

18:57

Reuben. Reuben. Reuben. He

19:00

would have been one. He made the sandwich, right? He

19:02

made the sandwich and that's to feed to the

19:05

women to make the paintings. They're fat. Look,

19:15

I'm no water painting. I

19:17

love that saying when someone goes, you're no water painting. I've never

19:20

heard that before. You never heard that saying? No, I use that

19:22

all the time. I like it. I'm gonna... Any

19:25

other artists? You must be a water

19:27

painting, Jack, because I would have said it to you otherwise. I'm gonna

19:29

say Rembrandt. That's

19:32

a good one. Rembrandt. Rembrandt.

19:35

What do you think about that? I'm pretty excited for you.

19:37

Yeah, Rembrandt. Venus, drink,

19:39

smile-o. Okay.

19:43

That's a good one. It's the oldest bit of art in

19:46

the Louvre, which

19:48

is also

19:51

where the Mona Lisa is. painting

20:00

terms mean you ready

20:03

yes Chiaro Chiaro

20:07

means long strokes in

20:09

Italy okay scuro

20:12

small little spotty strokes scuro

20:14

small okay what about

20:16

smooth model move model is

20:18

a gay slur from the

20:21

olden days yeah that Michael

20:26

Angela was a smooth model move

20:29

on smooth model yeah

20:31

which means ceiling painter okay

20:33

next question who painted the

20:35

Sistine Chapel Michael Angelou the

20:38

Sistine Chapel is painted with what

20:40

ancient now obscure method tip

20:43

your dick okay

20:46

so Picasso I told you yes

20:48

what's the question yeah I couldn't

20:51

I could do Aboriginal

20:54

dot play the

20:57

Sistine Chapel was painted with what

20:59

ancient now obscure method there's a

21:01

method that Michael Angelou used ancient

21:03

yeah it was all catapult all

21:06

catapult 24-7 it was amazing

21:08

it came out so good how long did it

21:10

take Michael Angela to complete the Sistine Chapel you

21:12

were there you should he started on a Sunday

21:15

and it took him five

21:17

years but he would

21:19

have had a terrible bad back because he was

21:21

always like laying in his back like working under

21:25

a car now we must

21:28

have had some type of what type of paints

21:30

was using would have just been clay would have

21:32

been the method probably Oh clay clap

21:35

clay clay clay clay

21:37

clay what other items did

21:39

Michael Angelou complete like famous well David is his

21:41

most I'll say this Michael Angelou is David

21:43

and I went to Florence and I saw all

21:46

this there's all the different ones but when you

21:48

see the real one even I didn't see his

21:50

palace the other day and they have an

21:52

exact replica and it's very impressive yeah but when

21:54

you see the real one and you figure out

21:57

that that can't did that with a fucking washcloth yeah

21:59

make any mistake and a hammer and

22:01

you can see the veins and his head is

22:03

bigger than his feet because he knew people would

22:05

be watching it at a certain angle and

22:08

I'll tell you stuff. I saw it,

22:10

I watched it and I'm not a big art aficionado

22:12

or anything like that but I went back again. The

22:14

only time I went back the next day I said

22:16

I have to see it again. I

22:20

would like to go take my children to

22:22

see it or something like that. I don't

22:24

know if he also did the

22:28

big fountain in Rome where everyone flips the

22:30

coin over the back tively, fountain not tively.

22:34

You know the one. David and the fountain, anything else? There's

22:37

a whole lot of work that he hadn't completed in

22:39

the same museum as Florence which is amazing. It's

22:42

like Moses but he's coming out of

22:44

the stone. It's like something's coming to

22:46

life out of rock. It's even

22:48

with these ones that were half finished. They were

22:50

amazing. I

22:52

would say the Sistine Chapel and there was another,

22:55

there was a mother Mary, there's a Mary statue

22:57

he did that was a bit of a winner.

22:59

What is Leonardo da Vinci's most famous piece? Leonardo

23:06

da Vinci. Da Vinci was

23:08

the Mona Lisa. Okay, what else?

23:12

What? Okay. The Last Supper. Is

23:15

he the Last Supper? I'm going to say he was the Last

23:17

Supper. Who's the Last Supper? I don't know. I don't know.

23:20

Leonardo's... It's not a wall. That one's

23:22

painted on a fucking wall, man. Leonardo's most famous works, you know

23:24

where it is? That's in

23:26

the Louvre. Okay. Leonardo's most

23:28

famous works were painting. In Paris. What

23:30

else was he known for? Country.

23:33

Leonardo da Vinci was an inventor and

23:35

he invented aircrafts long before

23:37

we had aircrafts and stuff like that. And he

23:39

always... Leonardo da Vinci already did what you do.

23:41

You may have mis sketched them but he did

23:43

something. I don't even sketch mine. Yeah, yeah. Jack

23:46

sent me one the other day. There's like a battery that won't run

23:48

out. Yeah. It's real. It's

23:51

real. It's real. There's

23:53

one now. Who were the top two

23:55

financiers of the Renaissance? I

23:59

would say... the Catholic Church and

24:04

Scientology Catholic

24:06

Church and Scientology Alright

24:08

Columbus sailed to the New World in what year

24:10

and who finances voyage might be related to the

24:12

last question So

24:15

Columbus was Italian we did we did an

24:17

article we did an episode and he was

24:19

selling in in 1672

24:22

who finances wage do you

24:24

remember Gilligan Gilligan? Who

24:27

is considered the most significant what is

24:29

considered the most significant invention of the

24:31

Renaissance? paint

24:35

Oh the paintbrush Before that they would just add

24:37

horses tails and they were going back up and

24:40

they differ when they go Live and then they

24:42

went we should put that bit on a stick

24:44

and just cut this bit off Yeah, and like

24:46

that was like this you change the old ways

24:49

you change the new ways Did

24:52

any artists did any of the artists

24:54

make any money? They

24:56

always say that they never made money within their

24:58

lifetime, but I imagine some of them would have

25:00

made money They would have been people who as

25:02

you said they were they were funded I don't

25:05

believe Michelangelo was living in a fucking

25:07

box now You've got like say van Gogh, right?

25:09

It wasn't part of the Renaissance who's more current

25:11

than that, right? He made nothing they reckon until

25:13

he died But they but but when you scratch

25:16

the surface a bit more about him, it turns

25:18

out that he was a well-acknowledged painter in his

25:20

lifetime It's just that you know, it wasn't a

25:22

shit ton of money that he was making I'm

25:25

a Ken Doon guy Ken

25:27

Doon. I'm gonna put I gotta put Ken Doon

25:30

in the Renaissance. He's still alive He's only in

25:32

his early 80s. If you're listening Ken Hi,

25:35

and if he was a ninja turtle, what would his weapon be?

25:37

Ah Bloody if he

25:39

was a ninja, sir What would Ken Doon's he

25:42

would be the stars ninja stars? Oh, yeah, Ken's

25:44

all about working quick It's black black black and

25:46

he's like color color color color I

25:49

got a story about Ken Doon that when my nephew

25:51

died, I went to his gallery and Just

25:54

I was walking around because I was working in Sydney and

25:56

I went I've been to my nephew's funeral and the next

25:58

day I went to the gallery and I

26:00

saw his paintings that reminded me of my

26:02

childhood and they were all colourful and it

26:05

cheered me up for some reason. Whatever reason

26:07

these paintings spoke to me. Child-like paintings

26:09

and I bought one that day. It cheered

26:13

me up. Art can move you. I

26:15

believe in art. I

26:17

think art is very important. I believe in

26:19

putting money into the arts as well. I

26:22

think that at school I'm as happy when

26:24

my son does well in as good an

26:26

art class as he does in maths. I

26:29

have to be because he's from my gene pool and

26:31

the chances of him doing good at maths or spelling

26:33

is very low. Okay last

26:35

question. What is said to have ended

26:38

the Renaissance? Um...

26:40

Is that meteor? Oh, disco.

26:44

That would have done it. Yeah. Alright. Disco

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29:00

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29:04

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29:06

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29:09

An account these as a God on off their

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29:13

Six own He didn't. As. Yeah

29:16

my life and I are a lot more

29:18

not avail as I we are are my

29:20

favorite artists are involved. saw his veins off

29:22

right when I witnessed oh of and golf

29:24

and I've been to be museums and I

29:26

I did look. Early that die

29:29

gone to the and Frank museum and

29:31

I found the bag of resume more

29:33

uplifting and so I went to that one

29:35

afterwards right? And a very vague los.

29:38

Vegas. Way that that guy

29:40

that was starry night, little things

29:42

with windows, his boots, that painting

29:44

loses you. look at it, it

29:46

moves in another one man go

29:48

on producer let people know yeah

29:50

but that's that's American. Bang Bang

29:52

Bang Got Mayor is the.scope and

29:54

costs. My. Boss battle there although the most

29:57

wrong day as and costs. Apps

29:59

as a. Fucking Eilish kind of

30:01

you was right, but I ate a hot dog on

30:03

front of there and missed the only show I ever

30:05

missed Yeah, yeah Forrest couldn't get on the stage. I

30:07

tried to get I was it was coming

30:09

out of all ends It

30:11

was a sausage right out front of them bango. Yeah

30:14

We were doing 8,000 people in Amsterdam before I

30:16

couldn't make it to the animals was there luckily

30:18

still but it was when I went I almost

30:20

had some other sausage. I had one and it

30:22

was not good. Not good What wasn't the sausage

30:24

a weird color to you're like I shouldn't eat

30:26

it was I was it was bad You wasn't

30:28

even drunk just eating it at the front of the

30:30

Bangkok Museum. I was like, I'll be right down and

30:32

I'll meet you there I

30:36

only eat sausages out the

30:38

front of the Anne Frank

30:40

Museum better quality Hard

30:44

to define though. All right, I'm not that hungry. So

30:46

you're a cave painting right now What

30:49

was the Renaissance Jim said a rich and fulfilling

30:51

and bold? Bold

30:53

era of the art world where we got true

30:55

imagery. How does that? That's

30:57

what I'm a question. I think that was in

30:59

the 1800s and up 1700s Jason got any so

31:01

he didn't back it up quite enough There but

31:04

as far as the Renaissance goes

31:07

So things moved slower back then they didn't have

31:09

the internet to say hey, we've got this cool

31:12

stuff going on. So it

31:15

there was humanism earlier in the 1300s and 1400s

31:17

and that was an expression

31:22

of that people

31:25

are more than just People

31:28

in the Bible, I guess, you know,

31:31

they have potential to paint to create

31:33

and to do good things and So,

31:37

I mean it was you know

31:39

a good fun time But if you lived

31:41

a hundred miles from Florence, you might not

31:43

have ever heard of Michelangelo or any

31:46

of the Ninja Turtles Yeah,

31:48

that's the thing with everything known it's like it's

31:50

like back then you only lived 20 miles Yeah,

31:54

in it That's a

31:56

good way to put it no internet because we see

31:58

the Renaissance is like well everyone in the world must have been talking

32:00

about it. Oh, they were all going on about it. I mean, I was like, some

32:02

smaller. They were all going on about it. But

32:05

yeah, different cultures doing different style of

32:07

paints. Like the art they

32:09

were doing in Africa was different from the art in Europe, was

32:11

different from the art in South America. But

32:14

art was everywhere. What years would you say it

32:16

was? There's no culture that doesn't give

32:18

it a go. Yeah.

32:21

What years, Jay? So the years have a

32:23

pretty broad range from the 1300s to the 1700s.

32:28

What we're primarily talking about is the high Renaissance

32:30

from 1490 to 1520. So

32:34

it really decreased at that point. And

32:37

there were some other factors that kind of

32:41

brought it to a screeching halt. But

32:43

it only got to Australia in the 1600s. And that's

32:45

why I said that. So yeah, good. Good. And

32:50

how do you define a Renaissance man? Jim says the person

32:52

has a little bit of Genesee Coieux. I'll

32:55

also add to that pocket

32:57

squares. Pocket

33:01

squares? Well,

33:04

they dressed a little bit more flamboyantly

33:06

than pocket squares back then. A

33:09

Renaissance man was very well rounded,

33:11

studying anatomy,

33:14

botany, architecture.

33:17

I mean, Leonardo is kind of

33:20

viewed as the pinnacle of the

33:22

Renaissance man because of his

33:24

journals he painted. So

33:28

he's kind of the poster boy for the Renaissance

33:30

man. And he did the famous, what's it called?

33:32

That guy where he's standing like that and then

33:34

his arms are a little bit like that. It's

33:36

the Vitruvian man. Yeah, where you go. That's the

33:38

human body. What's it called? Vitruvian

33:41

man? Vitruvian man. I know the thing you're talking

33:43

about. I bet you there's a movie called the

33:45

Vitruvian man, right? There's

33:48

a museum here, and I'm sure other

33:50

museums do this, but it's the Getty,

33:52

which is free to go to. They

33:55

have the artwork set up where, As

33:58

you go from room to room, it goes in that crime. The

34:00

logical way you know and when you

34:02

go the initial stuff is on enough.

34:04

Where. You call but as like really not

34:06

real realistic looking up at not really

34:09

nuts, are super religious and you can

34:11

see overtime right when he gets to

34:13

the Renaissance. Otherness Candlelight Years as a

34:15

winner winner They start scientists in paintings

34:17

what you what you is that from

34:19

the beginning I think not only does

34:21

able gonna why know that he really

34:23

days and sends you know and and

34:25

where was the first two I'm that

34:27

was. When. You get into. Three,

34:31

like the pre Raphaelite and

34:34

pre Impressionism arm or during

34:36

impressionism. But like that booger

34:38

Oh was known for painting

34:41

scantily clad women dancing wes

34:43

mythological creatures move out, the

34:46

Greeks were doing skid statues

34:48

and mean the Venus de

34:51

Milo. Was.

34:53

Discovered in the eighteen hundreds, but carbs.

34:56

Way before that and she was negative.

34:59

De Souza the I Get

35:01

a Beauty and Ssssss of

35:03

Africa. An emergency song is

35:05

from From the Wounded Great

35:07

Project. Ah

35:10

what the verging events and technologies have

35:12

sparked the renaissance hell of a blow

35:14

job debate is the most teams as

35:16

it descends that the imagine of oil

35:18

pants and tanks and stressing canvas know

35:20

it's I have a stretcher. I.

35:22

Was out of the if it was it. Other physicists

35:24

have a. So

35:28

the The Renaissance

35:30

really? Was.

35:33

Because. Of the black Death years before.

35:35

a lot of on like if the

35:37

blacksmith down the road died of the

35:39

black death and you survived. Now.

35:42

You had more business so you had more

35:44

money. Ah, I'm. Confident. Constantinople

35:47

ah spell due to war

35:49

and a lot of the

35:51

by. agitation the

35:53

books that bob scholars

35:56

from their came to

35:58

i to italy and

36:01

then rediscovery of the Greek and Roman

36:03

text. So that kind of brought everything

36:05

together. Plus if we think about Marco

36:08

Polo and all the travel that was going on

36:10

around the world, silks, so it was just a,

36:13

it's kind of like think of

36:15

what it was like when, you

36:17

know, the.com thing happened before the.com

36:19

bust or, you know, chat GPT,

36:22

we're in our own Renaissance

36:24

as we speak. Have you been to Greece,

36:26

mate? I have not.

36:28

Okay, they're not taking care of their art very well.

36:30

That's all I'm putting out there. You

36:34

can go up to the Acropolis and all

36:36

that stuff. You can just sit on really

36:38

old things, but no one's stopping you from

36:40

doing nothing. You could take a shit on

36:42

the Acropolis and it wouldn't get cleaned up

36:44

for a month. No, no, no. Like if

36:46

it would. That would be the Acropolis. Some

36:48

local stray cats would scrape over the top

36:50

of it and move on. Yeah, no,

36:52

like those marbles that they have in the British

36:54

Museum that the Greeks want back and the English

36:56

are going, you won't take care of them. I'm

36:58

going with the English on this one. Yeah,

37:01

that's, they got some problems. Remember that place

37:04

we went to, the Poseidon, I think we've

37:06

talked about about, but the Poseidons, we're staying

37:08

across there. The signs are all faded. Buses

37:11

and people coming up there said you're like, what

37:13

does that say? The

37:16

most beautiful setting over the

37:18

GNC. Oh, it's stunning. And they're

37:20

like, ah, we'll get some new signs. They have

37:22

all the natural beauty and architectural things to

37:28

be the greatest location on earth. They can't

37:30

lock it down. They're

37:32

fucking hopeless. They can't do it. They can't

37:35

do it. Name four artists that the four

37:37

Ninja Turtles are named after and their weapons.

37:39

Jim said Raphael Painter did a

37:41

painting of a dude with a goatee, Donatello's

37:43

Banksy type art. Michelangelo, Justine

37:45

Shabel David, and Leonardo painted the Mona

37:47

Lisa invented helicopters. Like, yeah, so Donatello

37:50

did like that famous sketch of the

37:52

Pope, but he was wearing a dress

37:54

on the bottom half. It was like,

37:56

but it was a stencil. You're not seeing that Donatello in lockdown

37:58

as far as what he did, but yeah. Can you? talk a

38:00

little bit about these guys Jason. Yeah

38:03

so Donatello was also a

38:05

sculptor who inspired Michelangelo and he

38:07

also lived most of these artists

38:10

other than Raphael lived to be

38:12

pretty old especially when you consider

38:14

the time Donatello lived to be

38:16

80. He did a

38:19

statue of David that inspired Michelangelo

38:22

or Michelangelo. Leonardo

38:24

he was

38:27

a painter, scientist, and

38:29

inventor and he died at

38:31

the age of 67. Raphael was a

38:33

painter, architect, believe

38:36

you was also a poet and he

38:38

only lived to 37. He got a

38:40

really bad flu or fever and died

38:42

of that and then Michelangelo

38:47

was 88. He was a

38:49

sculptor, painter, and an architect and

38:53

probably the most financially successful and if

38:56

you look at just the volume of

38:58

work he did, he was a machine

39:00

and I heard

39:03

he also was very difficult to work with

39:05

but... This is Michelangelo yes? He probably

39:07

didn't care. Did you say Michelangelo? What was that? Was

39:09

that Michelangelo you were just talking about at the end

39:12

there? Yeah he lived to 88. And

39:15

you said he's a machine. I heard that he only worked

39:17

when God told him to

39:19

work, is that a thing? No

39:22

I don't think so. I mean he did a lot of work

39:24

for the Pope. He

39:27

was very religious but I

39:30

mean he did quite a lot of work. He does

39:32

have a lot of things that aren't finished but he

39:34

did do quite a bit, quite a volume of work.

39:37

And did any of these four lads

39:39

have kids, families, is there ancestors that

39:42

are still claimed to be... No

39:45

none of them were married. Right,

39:47

the arts. Looking good

39:50

for me. Yeah

39:53

I remember reading something that Michelangelo used to sneak

39:56

into or knew somebody in some crypts or something

39:58

and he would... Dissect Bodies however

40:01

is a red blooded the group's now

40:03

and added are you so get it

40:05

like knowing the human body was by.

40:08

It. Is was highly illegal. I don't have this church

40:10

as I member. And. I know why. I

40:12

believe that there was. Because.

40:14

Of the humanism, there was a little bit

40:16

of a. Ah, I'm

40:19

blind. die turn turn

40:21

towards I'd dissection. Ah

40:23

but it was probably

40:25

still like. You know,

40:27

people were probably sneaky around by? Yeah, there

40:29

are. Like. I've.

40:32

Seen people who studied the statues

40:34

of the carvings that is done

40:36

and like if you ah movie

40:38

arrest you can see a little

40:40

bump right here and one your

40:42

hands open it's it's that bomb

40:44

goes away and when you close

40:46

your hand and he actually carved

40:48

that I think on to David

40:50

like that little bump is coming

40:52

out and so he was That

40:54

for size and are a must

40:56

have been famous was in his

40:58

last time right that we didn't

41:00

discover him afterwards. They eat. Did so

41:02

much work for the Axle Church and what I was

41:04

of that he was. he was A or oh yeah

41:06

I was. He was a rock star knees or last

41:08

time robust. You. Know I. I

41:10

think that Rock Star would be the

41:12

a good term to use for artists

41:15

in that period because I mean there

41:17

weren't any sound recordings. In

41:20

other wasn't any amplification and the music

41:22

fried so I mean but obviously you

41:24

know we look at the Greeks and

41:26

they did have theater but it was

41:28

always there and it was always. I

41:30

mean you think about how much of

41:33

a presence God had in the lies

41:35

of everyday people back then? that or

41:37

the church. how are you on a

41:39

phrase. That ah, I'm. So.

41:42

It was like just awe inspiring and that's what

41:45

it was for. Have to show the power of

41:47

God not to show the talent of the app

41:49

artist. God

41:52

that credit. Oh

41:54

god made everything from arm and as

41:57

was like a young lady who was

41:59

when we. We were talking beginning at like

42:01

what is the Renaissance? This is like when things

42:03

are became more realistic too, right? Is

42:05

that? No. Yeah,

42:08

prior to this

42:11

period and we've

42:14

got the chiaroscuro and

42:16

sfumato, a lot of

42:18

stuff looked like if you did a collage

42:20

and you cut characters out of a magazine

42:22

and then taped them on, a

42:25

lot of paintings looked like that

42:27

pre-Renaissance. So they started softening edges,

42:30

doing light and dark and just adding dimension

42:32

and also a lot of

42:36

perspective. The

42:39

Last Supper was a great example of

42:41

perspective. Unfortunately, Leonardo messed

42:44

with different kinds of paints that

42:46

weren't compatible and it

42:48

started crumbling within a few hundred years of it

42:50

being made. And where

42:52

is that? It's on a wall, right? I was

42:54

right about that. It was on a wall? Yeah, it's

42:56

on a wall as well. It's in Milan.

42:59

Because I wanted to go there when we were there.

43:01

That's one reason I know it because I like looked

43:03

up shit to do. We didn't do that? We didn't

43:05

do it. No, no, we were going to do it

43:07

but you need to make a reservation ahead of time.

43:09

You know why? Name drop? Milan?

43:13

Well, we know Jesus. Yeah. The

43:16

reason is that stupid meal, you

43:20

say you're God, organize a party

43:22

but everyone's sitting on one side. Yeah.

43:25

Move around, then Jesus can talk to everyone.

43:27

It was just for the photo. It's like

43:29

he's just sitting in a fucking... Yeah, maybe

43:31

it's just for the photo. But like he's

43:33

sitting at a counter in a fucking diner.

43:36

Jesus can only have conversations with the bloke

43:38

next to him either side. No

43:40

wonder Judas went fuck this cunt. He's right at

43:42

the end. He keeps trying to lean over. Hey,

43:45

what's that famous painting in the diner? And it

43:47

has the... What, the dogs playing poker? No,

43:49

no, no, it's got like... It's a good one. It's gonna

43:51

have like James Dean or no, maybe... Yeah, I know what

43:53

you're talking about. Maybe that's not the way the... I think

43:55

that's the Edward Hopper. The Hopper.

43:58

I believe. Night

44:00

night or hawks are night watch. Some like

44:02

that I sox yeah I'll make it. does

44:04

have. That. The gay and they put. This.

44:07

When I hear him. On. The scene

44:09

that years. The. Name leaflets read that

44:11

he was an internationally for liver disease.

44:13

Yeah just regular t wasn't necessary. did

44:15

it for James The In and other

44:17

different Elvis on are thrown as other

44:19

version by I'm. Where we

44:22

either it's out them for are aware that

44:24

name some other Renaissance hours or not and

44:26

does her said Monet Rubin Rembrandt mean as

44:28

drinks milo. This

44:30

or same I was in. This

44:32

is a Monet I was a

44:35

few hundred years later. He was

44:37

an impressionist. Ah, The.

44:39

During the Renaissance. I mean, we're mainly talking about

44:42

Italy right now, but in Belgium there is I,

44:44

Jan Van Eyes. And

44:46

then in L A there's also

44:48

bought it sally. Ah I'm thrown

44:50

his boss and now the Netherlands

44:52

to send to. There are a

44:54

lot of artists from it all

44:56

around Every it's also a very

44:58

much say i western European focus.

45:01

Bizarre. Yeah lot of different artists

45:04

from of that reason year the

45:06

Eastern Europeans. I wasn't as good

45:08

though. It was a sculptor he does did

45:11

potato and steaks most of us both of

45:13

bursts as a society while it was there

45:15

as was it old is he like gonna

45:17

use mention holland then and we have you

45:19

know as in later on we have been

45:21

guys come from holland and different things were

45:23

in that case so that that the British

45:25

they party or but not really you know

45:28

we not at all anymore thought was a

45:30

turning out anything with the British was it

45:32

was it was a gary. Gary.

45:34

Davis and Sorry got more than

45:36

I do. I raised him and

45:38

he's fucking statues Iraq not try

45:41

to sorry. We got Gary diverse

45:43

and Gary normally fights things that

45:45

ah so what'd Gary paint? The

45:48

Life of Guinness. And

45:51

so the I it was primarily

45:53

as I don't know. On

45:56

the on the British side, i

45:59

am sure if their empire hadn't been

46:02

built up quite to the degree that

46:06

most of this was in Rome later

46:08

to be overturned. There

46:13

wasn't a lot on England as

46:15

far as what was going on, but

46:17

obviously there were art movements as far

46:19

as these people painted them before gestures.

46:21

Yeah, it would be the Normans or

46:23

something. You know what they were

46:26

doing back then in England? They were dancing around

46:28

fucking a pole holding a bit of ribbon where

46:30

they run underneath each other. It was

46:32

a bleak society. They figured out music later, so we'll get

46:34

on that. What I'm saying is it rains a lot there.

46:37

It rains all day. Of course you're going to have

46:40

someone play. You know, when I first moved to England

46:42

in 2001, I did a lot of shows

46:45

in Bristol, and Bristol is where Banksy began.

46:48

I remember getting drunk back from Jester's Comedy

46:50

Club, back to my bed

46:53

and breakfast motel walking

46:55

back. I used to walk past Banksy's

46:57

that were just freshly painted and

47:00

just be like, this guy's got something. A bit of

47:02

fun. A bit of fun, like the two cops kissing

47:04

each other or the guy dangling out of the window.

47:06

Then you'd walk by the next day and they'd be

47:08

painted over. People hadn't

47:11

quite embraced it yet as

47:13

this guy's intelligent. There's my

47:15

interesting story that went nowhere. That

47:18

was good. You ran it up. Well, you know

47:20

what I mean? I remember seeing it before it

47:22

was something. If I had my five over, I

47:24

would have gotten a jackhammer out and taken it.

47:26

Do you think you met Banksy, but you just

47:28

didn't even know? Were

47:30

you Banksy and you were just blacked out? I

47:34

have a friend who

47:37

in some way knows Banksy, but

47:39

that's all I can say. But I have not met

47:41

Banksy. Oh yeah, J.J. Whitehead? No, but I have a

47:43

friend who in some way knows Banksy. What

47:46

do the following painting terms mean? Chiaro.

47:49

Chiaro, chiaro. You said long strokes.

47:52

Long strokes. It doesn't mean.

47:55

So Chiaro and Skiro usually go together,

47:57

so if you think of obscure and

47:59

dark, So, Skiro is

48:01

dark, Chiaro is light.

48:03

So it kind of

48:05

is about modeling and

48:08

not having the features

48:10

be so flat, rounded,

48:12

you know, light and dark,

48:14

giving some dimension to the

48:16

subject. And

48:18

a lot of the subject matter. I mean,

48:20

there weren't a lot of landscape paintings. It

48:22

was all pictures of Jesus and Mary or

48:25

statues. But in the painting world,

48:28

Chiaro Skiro is

48:31

light and dark. And then,

48:33

Spumato is smoky. So

48:36

giving a smoky appearance to say

48:38

the background, instead of having the

48:40

background in focus, it kind of

48:42

takes it out of focus and

48:44

then that makes you focus on

48:48

the main character. All the

48:50

paintings from that era, they all had that same

48:52

light, like candle light sort of effect on the

48:54

face. You know what I mean? And that's when

48:56

everyone looks their best. If you

48:59

ever want to look hot, man, candle lit

49:01

dinner, everyone looks good. Look over at the

49:03

table of candle lit dinner, you're like, everyone looks really nice right now.

49:06

I want to die by candle light. Die?

49:08

It's going to take a long time to die

49:10

by candle light. When you're almost dead, you want

49:12

to play the candle light. Why is he dying

49:14

too much candle light? Ah. Yeah.

49:17

One of those candles, Yankee candles, the

49:19

filament. All right, so you get some

49:22

candles. Okay. Who painted the

49:24

Sistine Chapel? You said Michelangelo. And then the Sistine

49:26

Chapel was painted with what ancient and obscure method?

49:28

You said the tip of your dick, a catapult,

49:31

and then clay paint. Or any of

49:33

those right here. All of them. So

49:36

the clay paint is close

49:38

and is painted with plaster.

49:41

So if you look, being as you guys

49:43

are in Los Angeles, there's stucco everywhere. So

49:46

if you think of, you know, if you've

49:48

ever seen somebody building a house and

49:51

stuccoing the exterior or interior walls, imagine

49:53

putting down that plaster and then painting

49:56

on it while it's still wet. So.

50:00

In addition to being in the dark and

50:02

candle lit, Michelangelo

50:04

was, he built a

50:06

giant scaffolding. You

50:09

can still see the mounting holes

50:11

in the Sistine Chapel. He

50:13

built this giant structure where he could

50:15

stand or lay down and

50:18

he would transfer the drawings onto the wet

50:20

plaster and then paint on it. So it

50:22

was kind of like watercolor

50:25

into it or

50:27

a trowel of colored pigment

50:31

that he was laying down just as if he

50:33

was putting stucco on the building.

50:37

What a pain in the ass. Yeah,

50:40

it's very permanent. It's

50:42

very sturdy, but I

50:45

can't imagine. I mean, and just the

50:47

scale, I was in

50:49

Los Angeles in 2019 at,

50:54

there's in the

50:56

city of Orange, there's the arch

50:59

diocese of Orange building. It's

51:01

a giant chrome building. And

51:03

they had a traveling exhibit

51:06

of life-size copies of

51:10

segments from the Sistine Chapel. And I

51:12

was just amazed at how big those

51:14

things are. And he

51:16

painted them, knowing

51:19

that something was gonna be in a corner or

51:22

in a curve, he painted them to look realistic

51:25

from the viewer's standpoint, but they were

51:27

very kind of a skew

51:30

when he painted them. If you're standing there

51:32

looking at it from 10 feet, it

51:35

didn't look correct, but from the ground it

51:37

does. Oh, well, yeah, see people, I think

51:39

the Sistine Chapel is just the finger touch

51:41

painting. There's only one panel, there's loads and

51:43

loads of panels. Some of

51:45

it's just like a Garfield cartoon. Mondays.

51:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Family Circus, Marmadude.

51:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then it's that one. And

51:55

one of the biggest fucking books of

51:57

Genesis back or up to... you

52:00

know, God's creation of Adam, God creating

52:02

the planets,

52:04

you know, it was kind of the six days of

52:08

God's life, you know, shaking things up.

52:11

And then how long did it take him, Jim said, he started on a

52:13

Sunday and then it took him five years. I

52:16

gave him a half point for that. I mean, it's

52:18

kind of hard to know. It was four years. There

52:20

was a small break because

52:23

of payments. He was trying

52:26

to get the Pope to pay him. I think the

52:28

Pope was trying to not pay him to get him

52:30

to hurry up. There's

52:32

a not, it's not a very

52:34

good movie, but there is a

52:37

movie starring Chuck Charles Heston as

52:39

Michelangelo called the

52:41

agony and the ecstasy. And

52:44

it goes over the building of or

52:46

the the painting of it and just,

52:48

you know, how Michelangelo was like,

52:50

I'm a sculptor. I'm not a painter. He

52:52

wanted out, but he had to finish it.

52:56

Because of his, his faith, he

52:58

didn't want to disappoint the church. Yeah, I read

53:00

that book by Irving Stone, but I remember anything

53:03

in it. That's why it's the life of Michelangelo.

53:05

I remember a few things, but Martin Heston. I

53:08

thought there was a Steve McQueen one where

53:10

he played an artist or something. I remember.

53:13

I remember something where there's a guy laying

53:15

in the scaffold painting and he looks down

53:17

in some movie. I can't remember. Might have

53:19

been the one with Chuck Heston. Maybe that's around with the

53:21

monkeys. Is it the one with the monkeys? No.

53:25

That must have been the monkeys. That

53:27

movie didn't even have sharp messages. Maybe

53:33

it's the fictional band for the sixties. Good.

53:37

You went there. Okay. What other

53:39

items did Michelangelo complete? He said David and

53:41

the big fountain and Rome question mark. So

53:46

definitely right with David and I was looking

53:48

up David because that

53:52

the marble other sculptors had looked at it and

53:54

they said they wouldn't take it on. And

53:57

so I looked it up that the finished

53:59

piece is. 12,500 pounds. And

54:04

from the quarry, the Carrera marble,

54:07

it had to go 40 miles, so they

54:09

didn't have cars, they didn't have trains, and

54:11

that's 40 miles by modern day road. I

54:13

don't know how they got it down there.

54:17

But he said that the

54:19

carving, that

54:22

David was already in there, he

54:24

just released him from the marble.

54:28

And Jim was right about the head size

54:30

being disproportionate, because they were originally going

54:32

to put it on top of a

54:34

church. But they were just so blown

54:37

away by it that they were like, we can't put it

54:39

up there and let it just get shit on all the

54:41

time. So they made

54:44

replicas of it. And his right

54:46

hand is also bigger, to give it the

54:48

illusion of strength, since he was about ready

54:51

to take on Goliath.

54:54

The other one, I think that Jim was alluded

54:56

to. One

54:59

thing about David quickly, right? So he's holding the

55:01

slingshot on his shoulder, right? And he's

55:03

got his other hand down here. Why

55:05

no pants? You think even back in

55:07

those days, if you're going into battle,

55:09

cover up your dick. I

55:12

think it was probably a bit of an

55:14

homage to the Greek Olympians,

55:17

they competed in the nude. And

55:20

it maybe was a sign that he was

55:22

poor, or

55:25

that he had a minor

55:27

circumcision. All I know

55:29

is that if I was fighting a guy called

55:31

Goliath, I'd keep my dick

55:33

to myself. Yeah. You

55:36

show me yours, I'll show you mine. If

55:38

I'm fighting a guy called Tiny, let's do

55:40

it. What

55:44

else are you saying after the David? The

55:47

other, Jim

55:49

kind of mentioned another sculpture with

55:52

Mary and it's the Pieta. And

55:55

I've never seen this, but I'm just

55:57

fascinated with that he

55:59

completely. it at the age of

56:01

23 and it is just it

56:04

is just a magnificent piece of art and

56:06

I guess

56:09

it's when you were walking

56:11

in the Louvre and you just pull a

56:13

corner and it's there it's not really showcased

56:16

and to me it's like you know this is an

56:19

incredible piece of work especially when you consider

56:21

he was 23 years old. Holy

56:23

cow. Yeah he's gonna look down on that one.

56:25

Sculptures to me are always the most I mean

56:27

it's all impressive but when

56:29

you see a sculpture in person even if it's

56:31

not a famous one and you get up right

56:34

next to and you start looking all these little

56:36

folds of the cloth and the hair. There's one

56:38

sculpture who's that sculpture it's a woman's face

56:40

and it's like nylon or

56:42

silk like like curtain material over the face

56:44

and you can see through it but you

56:46

still like do you know the one I'm

56:49

talking about? There's

56:51

a veil on it. Yeah veil but you

56:53

can see through the but like the stone

56:55

is the veil the stone is the veil

56:57

it's carved through so at the same time.

56:59

I think I have it there. Yeah it's

57:01

something else. Like is that

57:03

it? That's the one that's

57:06

the one where it looks like material. Veiled

57:08

lady. Veiled lady. Veiled

57:10

Tascano maybe? I don't know this is

57:12

like all reaper creations of it. Yeah

57:14

but it's something else man. The

57:17

sculptors know what they're doing. Oh whoa. This

57:20

says the veiled there's a lot of veiled women though

57:22

there's a lot of ones that are like veiled like

57:24

that but so. But you see what I mean the

57:26

marble looks like material. Yeah how they do. Very good

57:28

very good very good because my dot paintings of my

57:30

dick. Let's

57:33

come close. The Veiled Virgin on Wikipedia

57:35

says is a Carrera marble statue carved

57:37

in room by Giovanni

57:39

Strasa. Yeah about him what was he

57:41

up to? Evidently

57:44

carving. What

57:48

was he up to?

57:51

What is Leonardo da Vinci's most famous piece? Is it the

57:54

Mona Lisa? He said the Mona Lisa and then the Last

57:56

Supper. Mona Lisa. I would definitely

57:58

say that I mean there's probably more more copies

58:00

of the Last Supper in old

58:03

ladies' houses, but like my

58:05

mother-in-law has a copy of it. Mona

58:08

Lisa's on phone cases and the

58:10

Last Supper's in dining rooms of

58:12

old Catholic women. My, I wasn't

58:14

married to Kate, but a very

58:17

nice person. Kate, not that I...

58:19

That's got anything to do with being

58:21

married. We love Kate, but Kate's mother,

58:23

who was somewhat my mother-in-law for a

58:25

while, but I had a she

58:28

loved Jesus. She's still

58:30

alive, but she loves a Jesus head

58:33

bust, right? And she had one

58:35

on top of the telly, right? Back when you could put... Remember when

58:37

you used to put things on top of the telly? Yeah. When

58:40

something was really good, when before flat screens, you

58:42

go, I'll put that trophy up there. Yeah.

58:45

You know, I've just gone, you know, go cutting with

58:48

my brothers and I've won. I'll put that on top

58:50

of the telly. So, on top of her telly, she had

58:52

a bust of Jesus. Jesus's

58:57

head with thorns with blood dripping out and he said,

58:59

was like this. And

59:03

she found that to be relaxing in some

59:05

ways. So it was always... That was Catholic.

59:07

Oh yeah. Loved it. Loved

59:10

it. I got her a crucifix. That was

59:12

before a gift one. She was over the moon. That's

59:14

great. When she was leaving her house, she

59:16

had a box of crucifixes. Just one box

59:18

that said crucifixes. Fun. Yeah.

59:21

Couldn't pick it up. It was so hot. Look,

59:24

if someone gets possessed in that family, they've got it

59:26

covered. The car they've got it covered. Leonardo's most famous

59:28

works were paintings, but what else was he known for?

59:30

Jim's said he invented aircrafts. And

59:32

other things, the skateboard. He

59:36

did have a lot of, like a

59:38

parachute type device, a tank, some...

59:43

I can't remember the name of the movie. It was a

59:45

Bruce Willis movie where they had the... Hudson Hawk. Like

59:48

little bat wings for flying. Hudson Hawk. So

59:50

he did have a lot of inventions. Or

59:52

was it die-hoc? It was Hudson Hawk, yeah. Wasn't

59:54

die-hoc for him? Yeah, Hudson Hawk. Yeah. All

59:59

right, thanks. The and where do they get

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Bruce Willis I was terribly poor. Get them into

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robust as none of you know. I wasn't as

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have point. I'm Alan for the Catholic

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church obviously or the other one was

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that muddied see family. They were a

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well as that it is that gyms and was

1:01:41

Gilligan know that that wasn't a tie and on

1:01:43

that I was just gonna throw in that one

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and because of. Since. You guys have

1:01:47

done a Columbus Episodes Are you saying about

1:01:50

remain month? With

1:01:52

that you are checking if I remember

1:01:54

one of the Axis and he didn't

1:01:56

miss it. I watch the game show

1:01:58

the other day. this cycle. the floor which

1:02:00

you got to check this show out. Watch it

1:02:02

from the beginning, it's on Hulu. It's Rob Lowe's

1:02:05

hosting it. Rob Lowe hosting TV. It turns out

1:02:07

he's not a very warm fella. It

1:02:09

turns out he's been good looking at his whole life and

1:02:11

just sort of rocks up like this. Okay, so you women

1:02:13

want to have sex with me?

1:02:16

Hi. But this is what...

1:02:18

So all it is is you watch things and you have

1:02:20

a clock on each side. Yeah, in the preview. And they'll

1:02:22

go kitchenware and they'll put up things and you got to

1:02:24

answer quickly as your clock goes down and you think, so

1:02:26

it's literally like this. You feel like a genius as you

1:02:29

do it. You go fork, spoon, spatula,

1:02:31

ladle. Right? Like you're fucking,

1:02:33

you're killing it, right? Anyways,

1:02:35

they were doing these episodes and I had a friend

1:02:38

over, I was telling him about the show and I

1:02:40

was doing the episode again. I'd watched the episode three

1:02:42

hours earlier and I didn't recall any of the... All

1:02:45

the answers I got wrong, I got wrong again. So you

1:02:48

don't remember Columbus? Yeah. No, I remember he

1:02:50

directed the Home Alone movie, is the end.

1:02:54

It was Spain and it

1:02:56

was, I thought it was Portugal, it was Spain. I don't

1:02:58

remember our episodes. The

1:03:02

Spanish funded him to

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go to either

1:03:06

the end of the world and disappear forever

1:03:08

or to the new world in

1:03:12

1492. Who was considered the most

1:03:14

significant invention or what is considered the most

1:03:16

significant invention of the Renaissance? Jim said the

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paintbrush, for that reason, horse tails. Correct.

1:03:23

So in the

1:03:25

1400s, the Gutenberg press was invented

1:03:27

and there had been

1:03:29

printing presses before that, but the thing

1:03:32

with the Gutenberg press was it was a movable

1:03:34

type press.

1:03:37

So you could set it up to print, I'll

1:03:40

just say the Bible, you can print

1:03:43

page one, a hundred times and then

1:03:45

page two. And so that was probably

1:03:48

not artistically speaking, but the

1:03:50

most significant invention. Artistically speaking,

1:03:53

I would say perspective

1:03:55

and Sfumato

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and stuff like. That by

1:04:00

dad the most significant actual invention

1:04:03

was the Gutenberg movable type press.

1:04:05

And then any of the artist

1:04:07

make money on. And. I

1:04:09

said Michelangelo may be dinner. Yeah.

1:04:12

Michelangelo was I. Estimated

1:04:14

era. It's now estimated that Who's

1:04:17

worth about. The. Modern equivalent of

1:04:19

fifty million dollars. So he was a

1:04:21

very much a workaholic to and I

1:04:23

did old. I mean he. I think

1:04:25

he was accepted into a studio when

1:04:27

he was thirteen. He started his formal

1:04:29

training at the age of thirteen. So

1:04:31

I'm and like I said, he did

1:04:34

the Piazza when he was twenty three

1:04:36

years old. So to have that much

1:04:38

talent and skill at twenty three and

1:04:40

to live and tell, I think I

1:04:42

said he was eighty eight had quite

1:04:44

a long. He was tart. He was.

1:04:47

Carving. A statue in his studio when he

1:04:49

dropped dead. Than.

1:04:52

Enjoy money on! What is said

1:04:54

to have ended the Renaissance was

1:04:56

a disco. The

1:04:59

ah yes it was funk and

1:05:01

disco music mass the now it

1:05:03

was the. The

1:05:06

Reformation. Ah. So.

1:05:10

There, there were so many names as I was

1:05:12

looking this up, I'll just it was like. I.

1:05:14

Got lost. So basically the king was

1:05:16

mad that the pope with had a

1:05:18

little too much power and the king

1:05:21

the an hour we think of. Italy.

1:05:23

And in the terms of today are

1:05:25

the boot. But it was just Rome

1:05:28

at the time and then the team

1:05:30

was also the King of Austria and

1:05:32

then later the King of Spain. So.

1:05:34

But basically he got mad that

1:05:36

the Pope had too much power and

1:05:39

and a debt and then also the

1:05:41

Pope. Was getting tired of

1:05:43

you know, people being a little

1:05:45

too. I've. Not. humanistic

1:05:47

cel was kind of though but

1:05:50

other areas of the world that's

1:05:52

where then england and france had

1:05:54

their own with their was mainly

1:05:56

the fall of rome is what

1:05:58

ended the italian renaissance All

1:06:01

right, great. Now is a time apart

1:06:03

of our show called dinner party facts. We

1:06:06

asked our expert to give us a fact something obscure interesting

1:06:08

they can use to impress people about this subject. What do

1:06:10

you got for us? So

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I've got a

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few but the first

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one I'll just say really quick. The only

1:06:21

thing that Michelangelo ever signed was

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the pieta and he

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overheard some people saying that there was no

1:06:28

way that he could have created that. So

1:06:30

in the middle of the night he grabbed

1:06:33

a chisel and a mallet and

1:06:35

went in and carved on

1:06:37

the on a ribbon across the

1:06:39

the chest of Mary. Michelangelo

1:06:42

Bunerati made this and

1:06:46

later he said he regretted that that

1:06:49

you know active of his ego but

1:06:51

that was the only piece that he

1:06:53

ever signed. So that

1:06:57

was pretty significant I mean

1:06:59

considering that he lived another 50 years. Thank

1:07:02

fuck he wasn't around during the internet. One

1:07:07

person he heard overhearing and oh

1:07:09

no fucking the criticism you

1:07:11

could call that a fucking ceiling you

1:07:14

know what I mean like fuck you know.

1:07:17

And then the other one is that

1:07:21

there's a painting called Salvatore

1:07:23

Mundi and it's the

1:07:25

most expensive painting ever sold and it

1:07:27

was found like 25 30

1:07:30

years ago and it's

1:07:34

partially attributed to Leonardo and nobody's

1:07:37

really 100 sure but it was in

1:07:39

horrible shape it's

1:07:41

more restored than it is real and

1:07:45

it it was bought at basically almost like

1:07:47

a garage sale for 1200 bucks

1:07:49

and then it sold for 10

1:07:51

000 and then it went for 75 million and then

1:07:53

the Saudi prince bought it in 2017 for

1:07:55

450 million dollars.

1:08:00

NFT. That's what it is now.

1:08:02

Can we all agree that the Mona Lisa

1:08:05

is overrated? What's your opinion? Umm...

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You know, not seeing it in life,

1:08:12

I can't say. I mean... Oh, I've seen

1:08:14

it in life. It's small. You walk up

1:08:16

there... Everyone's doing the same. No

1:08:18

one's going... When you watch David,

1:08:20

everyone's going, wow. Everyone's going, wow. Everyone in

1:08:22

the room is like, fuck. Everyone

1:08:25

does this in front of the Mona Lisa. Huh.

1:08:28

That's it, huh? Why is it

1:08:30

so famous? I wonder if part of that is,

1:08:32

like I mentioned earlier, the Mona Lisa's on phone

1:08:34

cases. You can't have David

1:08:37

in three dimensions on your phone case. So there's

1:08:39

probably a lot more. And plus, he's 17 feet

1:08:41

tall. So I think

1:08:43

you're right with the scale of it all.

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It's just if she was a better looking

1:08:48

bird, you know, maybe that would be time.

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It was Marilyn Monroe, ain't it? Yeah, give

1:08:53

me a bit of any wool, any day.

1:08:56

She's no watercolor painting, whatever the phrase

1:08:58

is. She's no watercolor painting. Well,

1:09:05

Jason Tanger, thank you for being here. Please go check

1:09:07

out... If you're not watching this on YouTube, go on

1:09:09

and click on. You can see a lot

1:09:11

of Jason's work behind him. He's really good.

1:09:14

Watercolor painting is really beautiful stuff. You can buy

1:09:17

that stuff in

1:09:19

watercolor.printify.me. He's

1:09:22

got poo on a stick shirt,

1:09:24

it's at MerckLogger.printify.me. And then check

1:09:26

him out on his YouTube channel

1:09:28

at JT8NJR and on Instagram at

1:09:30

Jason Tanger. And email

1:09:33

him, [email protected]. Thanks for being here, Jason. Thank

1:09:35

you, Jason. I appreciate you being on the podcast.

1:09:39

Ladies and gentlemen, if you ever heard an art gallery and

1:09:41

someone walks up to you and goes, do you

1:09:43

know the Mona Lisa was painted

1:09:45

by the same guy who invented the

1:09:47

tank game? I don't know about that.

1:09:50

Walk away. Good night, Australia.