In this fourth and final discussion, Laurel and Paul discuss how IBM has transformed their own software engineering approach with new devops processes, tools and culture. This is a topic that will interest our Government clients as they learn about and adopt devops in their their departments and agencies, but really clients in all industries will enjoy and use the information in this last podcast. Joining Laurel and Paul are David Leigh, Jeanette Deupree, Xavier Segovia and Irene Penney from IBM who share their stories of DevOps adoption and important lessons learned.