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Support You know this is entertainment. Yeah, I didn't

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intern. We're reading these books Israel know we pick

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of. Comics were egg of blood pointed Sawyer

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it's am in I glance at the i glanced

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a pretty datasets how the sewers. Honestly I don't

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know how to make heads or tails about which

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memphis a look on those things. Now I'm all

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right to left. Such. As children's

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cartoons. Sweet and

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even like comics. System

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is childish said. I mostly read

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Proust to reach these things. Nerds

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is what they are call you at the

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pitch I did. I had a very eclectic

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and interesting week or I really enjoyed the

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the books that were good. The. One

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I do with the most in that a

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being adventurous twilight books three from Ships that

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Are Scudetto Kenya and whole associate Jose said

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Monday businesses such as Show You What Happened

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is I put survive shots and while you're

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talking and respect Couldn't repeat of her fists.

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Wow. The Screen Gobblers okay in any

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way know anything about Abrams. The first issue This

4:51

mini series. Yeah, she was your pick of the

4:53

week. This is a six issue miniseries. Speculative.

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Fiction: In the future,

4:58

old Man Steve Rogers in the Superman

5:00

Kingdom come roll with these young whippersnappers

5:02

in the shape and teacher the true

5:05

meaning of heroism. This. Was the Turning

5:07

of the Tide episode of or Issue Heavy on

5:09

Call It where the Team is started to come

5:11

together. We have a turn the tide in terms

5:13

of the battle but Steve is no longer really

5:16

alone at By the Mississippi and he has a

5:18

very formidable adventures unit with him. It really negative

5:20

which is even eight of the the book itself

5:22

as is set by the end of it. as

5:24

I am a hobby this and six is Susan

5:26

and have a feel satisfied with this. Not a

5:29

problem for this issue, this is a profit a

5:31

seizure he notices if this really living in this

5:33

mix well with others before but doesn't matter the

5:35

sun with this. Issue there were as I

5:37

as I read this I thought oh the

5:39

lot of. Classic. Superhero

5:42

the tickle your. What's.

5:44

You crave from a Captain America

5:46

on his own situation. Proceed.

5:48

a floating head tony stark yeah which

5:50

their underplaying if i'm going to be

5:52

honest with you like no one's mentioned

5:54

it no one's made any jokes about

5:57

floating head in a bottle tony stark

5:59

what's that on Futurama wasn't one of

6:01

the characters like that. Nixon. Yeah, it's

6:03

like that. But you're right. When they

6:05

said that, he's still alive via his head floating in

6:07

a thing, I thought this for sure would make that

6:09

a big deal. But it really kind of isn't. I

6:11

don't even think he talks. Like I

6:13

went back and I was like, did I know about

6:15

this before? I don't think I did. And there's a

6:18

bit where they click the machine to

6:20

like bring the head out and it

6:22

pulls off. There's like shoulder

6:24

thing. There's extensions that come out from where the

6:26

shoulders would be. I was like, wait, was it

6:28

attached to a body? But it

6:30

wasn't. It was his head in a

6:32

jar. And it's not like a wake. He's not like

6:34

the Nixon's head where he's talking. I don't know. I

6:37

don't understand how I missed it. And I was like, why is no

6:39

one talking about this? Anybody who walks

6:41

in that room should be like, hey,

6:43

that's Tony Stark's head in a jar.

6:45

That's the first thing. You

6:48

wouldn't be able to focus on anything else. You'd be

6:50

like, is anyone else? Literally. Really distracted by the Tony

6:52

Stark's floating head? Even if it was

6:54

just some guy. Right. But

6:56

it's not just some guy. It's Tony Stark. And

7:00

so they've been using his brain to help, however they

7:03

use it to get his ideas. They've

7:05

been sort of siphoning his intelligence. The

7:07

bad guys, Jim Stranko, Red Skull.

7:09

And young Tony Stark, his kid, him and

7:12

Janet's kid. So there's a daring raid on

7:14

the facility to free Tony Stark by Steve.

7:16

He ends up getting the young female bullseye

7:18

on his side. And he renames her Hawkeye

7:21

in the middle of the battle. Tony Stark's

7:23

kid looks like an anime character, I think.

7:27

Yeah. By the end of it, we

7:29

have Ms. Marvel returning after he approached her in the

7:31

last issue to join the team. And then we have

7:33

a Thor save the day at the end. Plus, Steve

7:35

retrieves his shield from the facility. So he sees fully

7:37

Captain America. And there was a great page there where

7:39

he talks to the shield. Like, it's his old pal.

7:42

I thought it was terrific. You know, this is all

7:44

the stuff you want in this kind of story

7:46

in the triumphant moments of success. Now, obviously,

7:48

they're going to have to have setbacks because

7:50

there's only half of the story. But right

7:52

now, you can see how this team can

7:54

pull out a victory now that they're sort

7:56

of all coming together. And they're just wonderfully

7:58

drawn by Daniel Cooney. one of our

8:00

patrons on our Discord server is a comic artist

8:02

and he knows that whole scene, the whole Spain

8:05

comic art scene. He said that lacunya has been

8:07

working on this since 2020. So

8:10

first of all, that means we're going to get him on all six

8:12

issues, which is a miracle. Hopefully that's

8:14

what that means. But it just looks beautiful. He's

8:16

doing all the line work, all the inking, all

8:18

the coloring. The color might

8:21

be the best part of it. It's

8:23

almost like the art is great, but where

8:26

he really brings it over the top is

8:28

how he finishes it with the colors. It

8:30

really is like a complete package. There's sound

8:32

effects that are on the quote unquote board

8:34

all through it that are drawn into the

8:36

art. There's other sound effects that are

8:38

put into by the letter, but you can sort

8:40

of see the difference and they're all over it

8:43

too. If you look like... Yeah, I'm scrolling through

8:45

it. Page

8:47

19, there's a bit where I don't

8:49

think it's not... It is, it's the

8:51

bullseye character, I guess. Yeah,

8:54

but there's a thing in the last panel where

8:56

it's like blam, blam, blam. And

8:59

they're part of that lower panel and then as

9:01

you go down, you see the tiny little bding,

9:03

bding as it shoots off of the hull of

9:05

the plane. I know

9:07

that we talk about lettering and sound effects sometimes and it's

9:09

like, well, who cares? To

9:11

me, that kind of lettering, that stuff in there, that

9:13

is storytelling. Yeah, it's an important part of it. Yeah,

9:15

it's a really big important part of it. And the

9:17

problem with it, when it's done well, you almost don't

9:19

notice it. And so once you start noticing it, you

9:22

can appreciate it. It's wonderful. Down where,

9:24

let's see, page 26, where

9:26

Evil Iron Man's son punches the shield

9:28

and there's a

9:30

clang and it fully fits in between their two

9:32

bodies and Steve's leg goes through it and the

9:34

lettering, the outline of the lettering stays in front

9:36

of the leg and the coloring of the lettering

9:39

goes behind the leg. You don't do that unless

9:41

the artist is doing all of it. Like

9:43

that's something you get here that makes

9:45

it special. They're great sound effects, man.

9:48

They're so... Like all the way

9:50

through it. Every page has something fantastic. I

9:52

mean, the color palette is dour as it

9:54

befits a dour story, right? And this is

9:56

a bleak future in which totalitarianism reigns and

9:58

the heroes of yes. They are beaten down

10:01

or out of the picture entirely or dead

10:03

and so you know It's not a big

10:05

four color comics story, but you get these

10:07

pops of nice bright color and moments The

10:10

red really page 28 where miss

10:12

Marvel shows up and big end

10:14

and saves everybody This isn't what

10:16

I'm talking about in terms of a heroic moment Well,

10:18

I guess it is a heroic moment, but look at

10:20

the color on that light It's just sort of I

10:22

wish I was stands out against her of the street

10:24

light in front of her the sound effects Sometimes are

10:26

really bright when the shield is revealed It's a bright

10:28

red and white she like it's look at look

10:30

at the water I'm very well on that page.

10:32

Look at the water dripping off her hands, especially

10:35

the one her right hand on our left

10:37

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's just beautiful because it's raining

10:39

She's in the ocean the lights coming off of her like

10:42

if you look around it There's like a halo around her

10:44

head, right? It's just just great I will say like I

10:46

read this and I and I really enjoyed it It was

10:48

one of those we tried didn't think about what I would

10:50

make pick of the week I didn't have a heck of

10:53

a lot of books But I read this and there was

10:55

a bunch of moments in it where I was like, oh

10:57

they're playing with me But they're doing it just right, you

10:59

know that sort of Avengers crescendo sort of issue, you know

11:01

And there's there's a couple of things in here that kind

11:04

of are dumb One is like one of the

11:06

assassins goes to shoot him and the assassin's name

11:08

is bullseye You're like what and then she refuses

11:10

to shoot him because he's unarmed and you know

11:12

And then she she switches sides and goes with

11:14

him and he's like, you're not bullseye. You're Hawkeye

11:16

And I was like, oh And then

11:18

they're on the way back to the plane and for some

11:20

reason she goes wait just go in this room and it's

11:23

his shield Whatever. I Didn't

11:25

even like I didn't stop to be like, oh, that's ridiculous

11:27

that it's there. I thought yeah I

11:30

didn't even know he didn't have his shield I

11:32

wasn't thinking about it and then he has a

11:34

couple of lines in there where he's just like

11:36

with you I can do anything. He's talking to

11:38

the shield in his head and And

11:40

like that Steve gets his mojo back. Yeah,

11:43

pretty great well then the end you have

11:45

iron man son has his own iron suit and so he's

11:47

fighting them and And it looks

11:49

like all hope is lost and he gets zapped by

11:51

a giant lightning bolt and I was like Oh is

11:53

that I turned the page and it was a great

11:55

page turn into Thor and I just went yes Whereas

11:59

the reveal of Ms. Marvel, she's

12:01

really huge, the reveal of Thor is a little

12:03

subtle. He's off the distance on top of the

12:05

building, yeah. And his helmet has been galacticized a

12:07

little bit. Little bit, little bit

12:09

galacticized. Hey, you know, maybe that's on purpose.

12:12

The one other thing that I really like

12:14

about this is that James Stark's pretty bad.

12:16

And I hope this story isn't about redeeming him,

12:18

although it's Steve Rogers. I hope that he's just

12:21

a bad guy. He grew up shitty. It happened,

12:23

you know? Didn't he get partially raised by

12:25

Red Skull? I don't

12:27

remember. The Red Skulls pretend

12:29

to be Jarvis' whatever. I

12:31

forget. Oh, right. And

12:34

so... Fred Jarvis. Yeah, Fred. I think he was raised

12:36

by him, which would make sense. But,

12:38

you know, they can't resist that kind of stuff, so I

12:40

wouldn't be surprised. But, you know, whatever. It

12:43

would be hard to kill Tony and Janet's

12:45

kid, but, you know, we'll see. I just

12:47

think this was a great fun. This is

12:49

Elseworld's storytelling at its finest, where you get

12:51

familiar elements, you tell them in a new

12:53

way, you add in new elements. There's great

12:55

art. There's fun redesigns. I love

12:57

these sort of all hope is lost in the future stories

12:59

when, you know, we know that the heroes will be back

13:02

to save the day. If you

13:04

look in your digital reader page 34, which

13:06

is the next issue tease, and it looks

13:08

like Thor's helmet is more just like a

13:10

crazy Norse design than Galaktas. Yeah. It's

13:12

the same shape. That can't be a complete accident. You just,

13:14

you couldn't not know. What do you think Galaktas is herald

13:16

in the future in one of those old man Thor stories?

13:19

Yes. That was, I think, a long time ago. Some version of it.

13:22

Yeah. This was very good, though. It was. It

13:25

was also the last book I read. Yeah. It

13:27

was the last book I read. So it was the most anticipated book

13:30

from Marvel. But if you'd asked me

13:32

earlier in the day, I was like, Oh man, am I

13:34

going to make Duke the pick of the week again? Duke

13:36

number three. I mean, it was an Alyssa's

13:38

number two. It's really good. I

13:41

mean, it's really, it's really good. First

13:43

of all, Tom Riley's art is perfect for this book.

13:46

It has this nice blend of

13:48

cartoony and realistic. And

13:50

he's does really great character work. He does

13:52

really great action sequences. When things get crazy,

13:54

they get real crazy. I was reading. I

13:56

never read the letters pages anymore, but I

13:59

was reading these. I don't know if you

14:01

did or not. Not these. I've read them

14:03

before. They said that they're taking

14:05

the visual design from those toys you have.

14:08

That toy line. So that's why rock and roll looks

14:10

a lot like that figure. Right,

14:12

the classified. I don't like the short haired

14:14

baroness though. We'll get there in a second.

14:18

Okay. Sorry. Both the editor and Josh Wims apparently have

14:20

a ton of those toys and they're taking the visual

14:22

cues from those toys. Except Stalker,

14:24

who's OG. You don't need to touch Stalker

14:26

because Stalker is burning. There

14:28

was something else they said. I can't remember what

14:30

it was. Oh, that girl that was with Clutch

14:32

in the last issue was Cover Girl. Uh-huh. And

14:35

she'll be back. That was Cover Girl in this trailer. So it

14:37

was supposed to be sexy looking and for some reason in the

14:39

original series I gave her a suburban mom haircut. I

14:41

yelped when Major Blood showed up. Yep.

14:44

In the beginning with his comically

14:46

large pistol. I didn't even notice that

14:48

he didn't have an eye patch. So later on when

14:50

he got shot in the face, I literally went, oh shit. Thinking he'd

14:52

been dead. Oh no, they just shot him. Oh.

14:55

I thought they killed him and I thought that fallen to you.

14:57

No, they gotta get an eye patch. I get it. Yeah.

15:01

Let me ask you a major blood question. Comically large

15:03

gun. Is that a robot arm? I

15:06

think in this version it seems like it's like a

15:08

Winter Soldier type situation. See, I always thought it was

15:10

a robot arm and then as I've been reading the

15:12

old comics I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's not.

15:15

I think in the old comics he's just wearing like armor. Right.

15:19

But this one definitely looks like it's a robot

15:21

hand. Yeah. I love his

15:23

comically large pistol. I love his relationship with Destro

15:25

who we don't really see yet. I

15:28

really liked the interplay between Duke and Baroness

15:30

and Clutch in the pit prison. I liked

15:32

the cutaway. I like that they

15:34

still keep teasing in Duke's trauma about the Transformers.

15:37

Like this is really, really well done to the point

15:39

where I'm kind of pissed

15:42

as a six issue miniseries and not an ongoing or

15:45

a five issue, whatever it is. I'm really curious

15:47

what they're going to do with this. Like is it

15:49

going to be a series of character based minis? That

15:51

might be interesting. I mean, they're not going to stop.

15:53

No, no, no. Like Joshua is going to be like,

15:56

I said what I had to say about G.I. Joe, I'll see you. Like

15:58

that's not going to happen. This is a

16:00

guy. I'm very curious to see what that

16:02

all means. And also it's just sort of

16:04

interesting that, you know, I was gonna

16:06

say an IP and I almost punched myself in the

16:08

face. A franchise that has been defined by ninjas, they

16:11

seem to be markedly staying away from them in these

16:13

books so far, which is interesting, I think. I'm not

16:15

saying it's a bad thing at all. I just think

16:17

it's very interesting. Because the easiest thing would

16:19

be to make the first book Snake Eyes. And what they've

16:21

done is they made Duke interesting to me. And I think

16:23

I talked about this with Ryan the second issue. Like, I

16:26

was never a Duke fan. No, me neither.

16:28

He was a stick in the mud. He stole

16:30

Scarlet in the cartoon from Snake Eyes. Like, he was

16:32

just kind of dull. But here he's

16:34

really just... That wasn't his fault. I'm blaming him. I

16:37

can't blame anyone else. You

16:39

didn't know who those people were, so... Sure, there's a

16:41

bunch of names with the... And I don't know those

16:43

guys. But I think you hear this version of him

16:45

is really interesting. Now, Baroness. So

16:47

loved the backstory, loved

16:49

it all. Good fact

16:51

story. Her being a bored Eastern

16:54

European Baroness who becomes

16:56

an international terrorist was terrific. It's

16:58

Patty Hearst. I don't mind the hair. I think

17:00

this is a personal preference. The hair doesn't bother me. She

17:02

looks cooler instead

17:05

of like the aristocracy,

17:07

I guess. Movie Baroness had short

17:09

hair, right? What's her name? Yeah, yeah. She

17:12

did. I think that's the toy. So

17:14

the toy does. Well, there's a movie version of the

17:17

toy and then there's another version of the toy so

17:19

she doesn't have. What's also interesting is we were

17:21

young when we were interfacing with G.I. Joe.

17:25

All of these things go into the big

17:27

stew pot that is sexuality. And

17:30

I think it's interesting to look back on several important

17:33

80s stories or whatever

17:35

and how they played with the idea

17:37

of a girl, bad girl, Betty

17:40

and Veronica or Scarlett and Baroness. Baroness

17:44

was an eye opening. She was wearing leather. She was

17:46

very stern. You were just like, oh, I don't know

17:48

what these feelings are. It never occurred

17:50

to me that she was supposed to be attractive. No. She

17:53

made her not attractive in the cartoon, but she was in the comics. That's

17:56

fair. And I get it. I know what you're saying, but

17:58

that wasn't one of those things. because I was like,

18:00

she's the bad guy. And also her accent was dangerous.

18:03

Yes, she was. I

18:06

was happy to see her show up. I think they're doing

18:09

a good job of stretching this out. Oh, the other point

18:11

they made in the letters page, which I hadn't really considered,

18:13

is that at this point in the story, Cobra is not

18:15

a thing. Oh, yeah? Neither is

18:17

GRGO. You're right. Yeah, OK, you're right.

18:19

Neither is Cobra, nor GRGO exists yet. They

18:22

have their names, though. Right, that's the weird thing. The code

18:24

names never really explain the name. I would like someone just

18:26

be like, we use code names. They just have to be

18:28

at that. But why is he calling clutch clutch? Cobra

18:30

is not a thing. Yes, Cobra Cremander has just

18:32

sort of entered our world in his book. GI

18:35

Joe isn't a thing yet in this book. These

18:38

guys are all just military members. So they haven't

18:40

really formed either side yet. We could be fairly

18:42

early on in a very long-form storytelling here, which

18:44

would be really interesting. I'm fine with that. Let's

18:46

do it. Yeah. But again, the question

18:48

of what is the spine of the story, if it's not

18:50

a GI Joe book, it'll be interesting to see how they

18:52

do that. I mean, energon. Right, but I

18:55

guess it'll just be a series of meanings that you

18:57

just follow along, which is totally fine. Pick

19:00

and choose. It was really fun. It's

19:02

really well done. Jordy Bellerin colors. It's

19:05

a beautiful book. Yeah. I mean, a book

19:08

from Skybound don't cheap out on talent. I love

19:10

that. I took a flyer on

19:12

room service number zero from Image. There's

19:14

a thing where there's going to be zero issues from Image,

19:16

which has been happening a little more. Let's

19:18

knock that right out. Let's knock it into that. Yeah,

19:20

I didn't like that. Although this did feel like a,

19:23

not a prelude, but sort of like a cold

19:25

open. Preamble. Yeah, it's not really the main story.

19:27

But we'll see. I guess we won't get into

19:30

issue one. This is James Tinney

19:32

in The Fourth, Josh, and Elsa

19:34

Chartier from Love Ever Laughing.

19:39

It was for her that I picked a book up originally. I

19:41

was like, well, at least I'll check it out. But it's good.

19:44

It was good. It was good. And again,

19:47

it's one of those things that is not

19:49

necessarily the kind of story that I like.

19:51

Tinney and stuff, he's very into horror and

19:53

suspense and whatever this is. It seems more

19:55

like a crime thriller than horror. Yeah, but

19:57

it's still like a serial. killer

20:00

kind of like it's not crime like let's pull the

20:02

heist off it's like a no no

20:04

but it's murder sadistic human stuff it is but

20:06

like there's a difference like you say crime to

20:09

me I think of bad

20:11

guys versus other bad guys who are really

20:13

good guys and they're stealing something or whatever

20:15

there's some sort of sub genre

20:18

of crime I get it but this is

20:20

like serial killers and

20:23

criminals are not the same thing serial killers

20:25

are criminals but it's a different thing this

20:27

is a little more like the sadistic side

20:29

of the genre because you're a killer is

20:31

not criminals I didn't say that that's

20:34

not very competitive place and their manifest

20:37

of anyway the point being like I give

20:39

James sending a lot of credit in this

20:41

is that it's not the kind of story

20:43

that I necessarily want to read but as

20:46

I got through it I thought he's pretty

20:48

successful at this point but I noticed like

20:50

this is really well structured short story really

20:52

well really good yes

20:55

incredibly satisfying the way that it

20:57

was teased out and you

20:59

saw the bits of it and how it came together

21:01

and how you got to know the characters in a

21:03

very short amount of time I was really really really

21:05

well done and again I we said this before you

21:07

know I don't know where a strategic

21:09

game from that was a terrible

21:12

pronunciation sure T.A. but I

21:14

mean what an immense amount of skill and

21:16

style from a name who I've never seen

21:18

before and you know what it doesn't look

21:20

exactly like what she's doing and love actually

21:23

everlasting doesn't look like that style you

21:25

can see it's the same person but

21:27

she's doing more of a romantic romance

21:29

comic style there something that's much closer

21:31

to like a Darwin Cook school but

21:34

it's creepy too this is different yeah

21:37

it's different so the story here is

21:39

that really really rich people can use this

21:41

service just to let off some steam by

21:43

committing murder and they'll clean it

21:45

all up and make sure you don't get caught and

21:47

all that stuff you know you get real stressed out

21:49

of your hedge fund job you're managing billions of dollars

21:51

from other rich people and you just need to kill

21:53

someone that's what they do for you and here the

21:56

boyfriend of hedge fund guy

21:58

finds out tells his journalist brother, the journalist

22:00

brother tells his editor, the editor tells the CEO was

22:02

two pollsters who would never have two pollsters. He'd be

22:05

the publisher, not the CEO. The

22:07

CEO is a business guy, not a journalist. And they

22:09

all get killed by the organization. They clean it up

22:11

because the CEO of the paper is a client of

22:13

the organization. So he tells them, and

22:15

they kill everyone to clean up the mess. And

22:17

I thought this was a compelling issue. I'm curious

22:19

to see what they do because this isn't the

22:21

story. We may never see this guy

22:23

again, this hedge fund guy. It just may just be a

22:25

taste of the world. Like he was a

22:27

real heartbreaker in that like, you know, the way

22:30

that he did what he did is just terrible

22:32

because he knew what was going to happen. He's

22:34

like, I couldn't help myself. And he

22:36

really did like that guy. You know, he tried to pretend like it was

22:38

just some guy he was sleeping with, but he had a photo of him

22:40

in his house. Like it was sad, even if

22:42

he was a murderer. So we'll see. It's hard

22:45

to judge a zero issue like this because we

22:47

don't know what the story of the book is.

22:49

This particular one issue was really good. Now we'll see

22:51

what the actual story of the book is, is the

22:53

next issue, which I'm going to read. I

22:56

agree. It's a nice surprise. The

22:58

Penguin number seven, speaking sort

23:00

of sort of tangentially of Tom

23:02

King, we are back to this

23:04

sort of flashback origin story of

23:06

the Penguin. It's a retcon. Yeah.

23:08

And what I was thinking as I

23:11

was reading the last issue and into this one is

23:13

that I feel like our author

23:15

here saw an opening in

23:17

that the Penguin has been present forever.

23:21

And there's a story about what he is,

23:23

but he has drifted away from having his

23:26

own character and backstory be a part of

23:28

his presence in Gotham in

23:30

a way. And in a way that

23:32

we spent so much time on the Joker for

23:34

the longest time, like he's sort of applying that

23:37

microscope to the Penguin here. And

23:39

I think it is very successful. And

23:41

what's interesting about it is this is

23:43

really a very well written but 1986

23:45

approach to like, let's make this

23:48

fucker dark. Yeah. That again, for me, that

23:50

only works when it's done really well. And

23:52

I am, I'm pretty riveted by

23:54

the way this character

23:56

is being portrayed here. I

23:59

think it gives him weight. and heft, which

24:01

I haven't seen in a while. Well, the penguins

24:04

always like, well, had

24:06

been whatever you needed him to be. Yes.

24:09

You know, when I was a kid, he was the

24:11

Burgess Merritt of the penguin, right? And he had his

24:13

trick umbrellas and he was just any other super villain.

24:15

And he fought Batman. And

24:17

then I want to say the nineties,

24:19

I'm just going to think that's when it

24:21

was, they sort of turned him into the

24:23

crime boss of Gotham. But

24:26

you know, in the eighties, when I was

24:28

started reading eighties, nineties, when you lucid Batman's

24:30

villains, it was always Joker, Penguin, Riddler,

24:33

etc. Like he was always second. It was always rattle

24:35

off his villains. It was Joker, Penguin, and then it

24:37

was whatever order you want to say for that. But

24:39

Penguin was always the second one. I think partially because

24:41

of the sixties TV show, he was a popular character

24:44

and a big villain. But I think after a

24:46

while as comics into the more realistic quote

24:48

unquote age, you know, the idea of this

24:50

guy being a punching bag for Batman was

24:53

not really satisfying, so they turned him into a crime boss, which worked

24:55

for the character. Even if as someone who grew up reading the other

24:57

kind of stories, I kind of missed that Penguin, I still understood to

25:00

change the way it had to happen. And so

25:02

here King posits that that

25:04

goofy version of Penguin was always

25:06

a faint. It was always a

25:08

big character. He was playing in order to deflect

25:11

attention away from what he was really doing. That's

25:13

where the retcon comes in, the retroactive continuity of

25:15

what you think you know was wrong the whole

25:17

time. It's definitely a

25:19

change. I don't necessarily dislike it. I do

25:21

think it stretches credulity a

25:23

little bit to think that Batman was

25:25

sanctioned so much of Penguin's crime. I

25:28

had that feeling, but if, I mean, I don't

25:30

know, like it's one of those things where is

25:33

he doing the math? Like this saves more

25:35

lives than not. I should point out it's

25:37

not all that different than the big story

25:40

they just did where Batman fought his kids

25:42

because they wanted to let catwoman control the

25:44

crime. He said no crime is allowed. Now

25:47

you could say that as an older, wiser Batman

25:49

than this one in his flashback was younger and

25:52

that's certainly you could say that, but it just

25:54

sort of strains it a little bit for me

25:56

where I'm like, maybe the last issue, but once

25:58

you really got embedded in certain. Like well, I

26:00

don't know if you know what's he's cooking but right you

26:02

got embedded as the guy in charge the iceberg lounge I

26:04

don't know if you let him run like

26:06

that. It's a minor Quibble. Yes, I

26:09

noticed it and I basically said to myself. I'll

26:11

allow it You know what I mean? I like

26:13

in this story because it's called the penguin It's

26:15

his you know, it's like he's a match for

26:17

Batman and then I think that that is good

26:20

You want him to be a match for Batman? It's

26:22

not fun if all of the bad

26:25

guys like he's always one step ahead of them

26:28

You know, why else would the penguins still be around? You

26:30

know, he has to have some some juice

26:32

and it's interesting story It's a really it's

26:34

like I was thinking about it and other

26:36

than I don't know if there's a one-shot

26:38

that that Jason Aaron penguin Story. Yeah, I

26:41

can't remember a story where he has been Actually

26:44

the main villain in Batman

26:46

forever and he's just sort of a facilitator

26:48

You know, like you say he does

26:51

what he needs to this story I think

26:53

is respectful of this character and being

26:55

like he's formative. He's got something it

26:57

is working better I think then their attempts

26:59

do the same thing with the Riddler

27:01

recently. Yes You know They tried

27:03

to make the Riddler like the movie version where he

27:05

was cold serial killer type and it didn't

27:08

really work so much in That book that Tom

27:10

King did with miscarriage. It wasn't as successful. It

27:13

didn't matter that was sort of out of continuity How

27:15

do you feel about the art change ever since a

27:17

story is kind of Gotham the art changed to Steve

27:19

on subac It's a much dirtier uglier not bad I'm

27:22

just saying the styles dirty or ugly than the first artist who

27:25

did more of a superhero style I mean

27:27

since these are the flashback issues it

27:30

works for me in that sense The other thing is that this

27:32

sort of version I didn't even know that was supposed to be

27:34

the same girl from the first arc I

27:36

knew it because there's no other woman who's gonna be with him and

27:38

talk like that. I love that relationship by

27:40

the way I cannot get my arms around it You

27:42

know, like what it's supposed to be like but I

27:44

I like the way that goes and then I also

27:46

like that Like it's a different art style, but it's

27:48

the same character. They're drawing right? I think they've been

27:50

flashing back for a while It's been like three issues.

27:53

Yeah, and I'm cool with that I assume that when

27:55

they go back to you know, finish up the main

27:57

story of that other artist whose name I have no

27:59

idea what it is, we'll be back. But

28:02

you know, the flashback, different artists are totally fine with

28:04

it. The issue ends on a moment

28:06

that I think we'll make or break the

28:08

story. What this actually means will depend on

28:10

my endorsement of this or not. And so,

28:13

early in the issue, the penguin hires the help for

28:15

the first time. To go on a mission, we don't

28:17

know what it is until the final page reveal. And

28:19

he comes back and he reports that he followed some

28:21

trail all around the world and he

28:23

gives the penguin a piece of paper that says

28:25

Bruce Wayne on it. In the dialogue or in

28:28

the caption box, it says that this is the

28:30

man who bought the iceberg lounge. And

28:33

if that's all it is, that's fine. But if we're doing

28:35

another villain that knows he's Bruce Wayne, because he just did

28:37

that with the Joker, then I think that's a problem. They

28:39

have to stop doing that. I'm not saying

28:42

that's what's happening here. Again, we'll- I'm pretty sure this

28:44

is happening unless it's a faint, which I guess it

28:46

could be, but- I mean, the faint is that it's

28:48

just about the iceberg lounge who owns it. It's not

28:50

about who's under the couch. They just can't do this.

28:52

They can't. Especially the Batman,

28:54

they can't know who's under that call. I

28:57

kind of don't care on a per story basis. Well,

29:00

it's the world. Like when they start pulling the bricks out

29:02

of the wall, the wall falls down. But is this real?

29:04

Like is this, is this canon? I think so.

29:06

I think it is. Whatever. They'll forget it

29:08

when they need to later. I also wanted

29:10

like the character of

29:12

the help. I love that character.

29:15

Great character. It's a great villain. Original

29:18

and new, but feels like it could have been

29:20

around forever. Feels like it's a Batman

29:22

villain. You know, like there's a crazy conceit to

29:24

him. He's 90. I

29:27

mean like, it's been a while since we've had a

29:29

really good new Batman villain. I think we got an

29:31

email asking this very question. The answer will be the

29:33

help. The most recent

29:36

good Batman villain they've added to the canon.

29:38

As long as. But maybe

29:40

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29:42

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31:51

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31:53

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31:55

All these stories are new. And I only want

31:57

to talk really about the main one Batman Mother's Day part one. one

32:00

written and drawn by Carl Kirschl, who is

32:02

so good and does Batman in a very

32:04

Bronze Age style, sort of royal blue with

32:07

the yellow oval around the bat. It very much

32:09

takes me back to that 80s Batman.

32:12

I was reading this story and I thought, so

32:15

it takes place in the Gotham Academy

32:17

world, which is a book that came out, I

32:19

think like 10 years ago. I didn't

32:22

really read. It was about a school in Gotham

32:24

and Damien went there and there was a bunch

32:26

of kids and one of them became sort of

32:28

a mainstay character, maps, a young girl in the

32:30

school. Here, he lists

32:33

her help because there's a mystery involving man bat

32:35

in the school. She says, is this

32:37

a Robin thing? And he goes, he doesn't really

32:39

answer. So she puts on the Robin outfit and helps him that way. And

32:41

I thought, she's a great Robin.

32:44

I like her. If you really want to

32:46

shake it up, make maps, Robin, and

32:49

Damien can eat a bad clam. Robin

32:53

is the one who like you most see

32:56

moving on from being Robin. Right. Make

32:58

Damien someone else. He

33:00

needs to have his night wing moment or he

33:03

needs to eat a really, really bad clam and

33:05

you know, go away. But

33:07

I was reading it and I was like, she's got a great attitude.

33:09

She's smart. She's spunky. This is what you want in a Robin. You

33:12

don't want to hate your Robin. I liked her. I liked her in

33:14

the story. I liked the way she looked. She had basically the classic

33:16

Dick Grayson costume plus leggings and

33:19

sneakers. I liked it. I was into it. The

33:21

rest of the stories, man, they were fine. This

33:23

was good. I like that. That's good. I'm glad you like

33:25

the thing. Thank you. You still on Phantom

33:27

Road? I am. I don't know why though. Really?

33:30

I feel like every third issue I really like, but

33:32

in between, I'm like, I don't know what's going on

33:34

here. I don't necessarily know what's going on, but it's

33:36

one of those ones when an issue comes out. I

33:38

really enjoy it because I remember that there were like

33:40

a couple of them that I really liked a lot.

33:43

And this is one where we learn a bit

33:45

of learn about the trauma of these two main characters who

33:47

we don't really know anything about. This was one of the

33:49

ones where like, oh, yeah, right. This looks good. But then

33:51

like the previous two, I was like, I don't know. Yeah.

33:54

But also just the method,

33:56

the way in which these

33:58

things were revealed. Both to

34:00

us and to the other character that they that

34:02

we're with basically you you watch

34:05

horrible things happen to both of these characters

34:07

as the Other one is

34:09

sort of in the background ghost like and it

34:11

both of them are awful Like

34:14

both of the things that happen to them are

34:16

awful. They're among the worst things that happen to people and

34:18

so yes That was really interesting

34:20

the character stuff that keeps popping up is really interesting.

34:22

I don't know what the hell's going on. Otherwise, I

34:25

have no idea We're nine issues in I don't know

34:27

what these creatures are. I don't know why they do

34:29

anything. I don't know what's happening I don't know why

34:31

this guy keeps appearing in a Hawaiian shirt I'm not

34:34

I'm not a little awkward, but I'm just like I

34:36

need help Jeff Lemire help me help

34:38

me I also the second

34:41

to last pages double page spread.

34:43

Yeah is one of the best

34:45

murders of bad guys I've

34:47

seen in some time Fuck

34:50

I was like wait, is this Walter? You know

34:52

like I was like wait somebody really good is

34:54

drawing this and they sort of went back to

34:56

remember it Combination Gabriel has Walter and George Belair

34:58

is mostly why I read in the book. It's

35:00

a gorgeous book She does some really interesting color

35:02

work with the flashbacks where it's sort of this

35:05

green. Yeah, she takes over

35:07

the flashbacks It's sickly and mmm, which

35:09

is appropriate and the way she makes

35:11

that little creature glow is really good

35:14

Kind of stuff you can really only do with digital coloring, but

35:16

it's not the art is terrific. It's not bad It's just I

35:18

just need to help me. It'll be one Lemire. You're my

35:21

only hope is what I'm saying Yeah, green

35:23

arrow number nine Josh Williamson

35:25

Sean Isaac's anyone dimension We're on a new

35:27

arc for this and it seems to be

35:29

that this is the prelude to the big

35:31

DC event That's coming from Mark Wade and

35:33

Dan Mora in which Amanda Waller

35:36

who's on zem pic clearly

35:38

is going to take on all the heroes and

35:41

According to the press steal all their powers this

35:43

seems to be the prelude to that where she

35:45

has Moved in to the

35:47

Hall of Justice because again if you recall

35:49

for reasons I don't remember the Justice League

35:51

is gone. Although the characters are not dead They just

35:54

don't no longer an organization But anyway, she

35:56

and her men take including fucking

35:58

peacemaker and then the female Peacemaker, what is

36:00

her name? Homeworker? I

36:03

read this. Peacemaker. Peacemaker.

36:06

I thought it was breaker. No, it's wrecker, Peacemaker. Okay,

36:09

that's fine. They take over the

36:11

Hall of Justice, they take all the toys,

36:13

the costumes, and Green Arrow does a little

36:15

sneaky sneaky invasion into the thing and they

36:17

catch them. I just wanna mention, this seems

36:19

to be, if you're at all looking forward to that event,

36:22

this seems to be the lead into that, where

36:24

she's gonna take on all the heroes because they're too powerful

36:26

and they keep fucking everybody up. There's a final page thing

36:28

we'll talk about in a second, but what did you think of

36:31

this book? So, I saw you put

36:33

on here and I didn't have time to read

36:35

Bervin the Bold, so I decided I'd read this

36:37

really quick. And I liked it, you know, relatively

36:39

speaking, compared to sort of, I dropped

36:41

off this before, I really wanted to like it and didn't.

36:44

Well, that was that future stuff which is over now.

36:46

But also, I gotta say that this is one

36:48

of the first times that I read

36:51

Amanda Waller as the sort of villain and

36:53

at least like, I was like, okay, I

36:55

understand what she's about right now. Which

36:58

is not nothing because very often, I don't

37:00

know what her deal is other than, you

37:02

know, she wants a

37:05

lot of power and is kind of sadistic seeming or

37:07

like, you know, get everything done, you know, whatever it

37:09

takes to get it done. It was

37:11

fine, whatever. At least I felt like I recognized

37:13

Oliver Queen and you know, there were

37:15

a couple of fun little things about the secret entrance

37:18

into the Hall of Justice and I did think I

37:20

was like, why do I have

37:22

to have Peacemaker in every goddamn book? Because the thing

37:24

is this, I'm not even, I don't like him. I

37:28

enjoyed that movie but I thought it

37:31

was just gonna be that movie, not

37:33

all the comic books. The guy who made

37:35

that movie is now in charge so, Yeah,

37:38

I know. He's everywhere. So the final reveal,

37:40

the final cliffhanger is that she tells Oliver

37:42

that she needs him to steal something for her,

37:44

the most dangerous weapon in the whole world which

37:46

is secrets. And we turn the page

37:49

and it says, it's sanctuary. It's proof

37:51

that no bad idea stays

37:53

dead in comics. I'm good with that. I

37:56

like that someone is like, you know what?

37:58

I'll try this. And

38:00

it's you either gonna watch him fail or you're

38:02

gonna be surprised. They're both entertaining in their way

38:05

So sanctuary from heroes in crisis in

38:07

which all the heroes spilled their

38:10

spheres and their insecurities and which

38:12

the author himself Recognizes

38:14

as a misstep. Yeah was a

38:16

bad idea I had one was kill everybody now

38:18

that's back and so that they're gonna try to

38:20

steal the record of all the heroes Confessionals

38:23

their reality TV style confessionals. Did you

38:25

instantly know what it was cuz I

38:27

did is that I

38:30

think it is I'm

38:32

programmed to be like no. Yeah,

38:35

there's not to ask you about it that I

38:37

love sure And sometimes you can reclaim those bad

38:39

ideas, but more often than not you

38:41

can't sure Timothy's

38:44

on on the show. Yeah Star

38:46

Wars Thrawn Alliance number two I

38:49

had read number one shockingly I picked this

38:51

up cuz Thrawn story and Timothy's on is

38:53

listed as co-writer I hope that's not just

38:55

a created the credit credit Jody Houser create

38:57

the character credit. Yeah Yes,

38:59

this is the stuff that's sort of

39:01

outside of the main story That's going

39:03

on here. And so basically you have

39:05

Darth Vader shows up in the same

39:07

places Thrawn They're both Empire So they're

39:09

gonna work together and then that is

39:11

overlaid with a story of when Thrawn

39:14

Had a similar adventure with Anakin

39:16

Skywalker Mmm, and Thrawn at this

39:18

point doesn't know as far as we know He doesn't

39:20

know that it's the same person, but that's sort of

39:22

a mystery that's going on and I like Thrawn, you

39:25

know Like I'll do this,

39:27

you know, I think the art is fun. It's

39:29

just it's a fun little what they call it

39:31

It's legends, but it used to just be extended

39:34

universe whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I like it

39:36

to me It's worth the time Timothy's on is

39:38

is a heck of a plotter and created a

39:40

great character in Thrawn So this is a legends

39:42

book of non continuity, but I don't know. I don't

39:44

look I don't care I just like the thing

39:46

is like maybe something becomes canon but doesn't matter cuz

39:48

I'm not gonna remember it one way or the

39:50

other Now what you're supposed to pray.

39:52

No, it's true. Let's see. What's it say on the

39:54

cover here? It doesn't specify it just says

39:56

Star Wars which would indicate that it's not

39:59

legit Because usually there's a thing on that other

40:01

Timothy Zahn book I'm reading that says Legends clearly

40:03

on the cover. The book book. Oh, the prose

40:05

one? Yeah. Oh,

40:08

that one. Smugglers or whatever that was? Uh, wait,

40:10

I've got it! Scoundrels.

40:12

Yeah, and at the top it says like the

40:15

bar across the docks as Legends. Yeah. I think

40:17

they tell you. All those novels are now, all

40:19

the ones that came out prior to Disney

40:22

are Legends. It's fine by me. I don't

40:24

care. They're my stories. So

40:26

as far as I know, the Malakili story, that's

40:28

real. That happened. Who cares? That's

40:31

what I want. Make your own continuity. So those

40:33

are the books we want to talk about, but at

40:35

patreon.com/iFamboy, as we mentioned earlier, you can vote as a

40:37

patron to add to the book for the rundown. And

40:39

this week, the patrons overwhelmingly chose The Savage Sword of

40:41

Conan, number one from Titan Comics, with

40:43

several stories written by various people and drawn

40:45

by various people. This

40:47

was a 90-ish page

40:50

comic that they

40:52

made us read. Hah! Well,

40:54

it wasn't all comic. No, no, it wasn't. And I'm going

40:56

to be honest with you. I only read the comics. For

40:58

the most part. I read the

41:00

Jim Zubb story. I didn't. In fact,

41:03

I mean, if we're going to be completely guards on

41:05

the table, I was enjoying the shit out of Conan.

41:08

When Jason Aaron was writing it, Jim Zubb

41:10

ended up on it. I have historically not enjoyed Jim

41:12

Zubb's work, so I stopped reading it. And then it

41:14

went over to Titan, where he continued to write it.

41:16

I was like, come on. And so I saw his

41:18

name on the cover of this prior to it being

41:21

the patron fic. And I was like, well, I'm not

41:23

reading that either. But what I didn't know was that

41:25

it was... I had forgotten what

41:27

Savage sort of Conan was. And it was a

41:29

serious... Yeah, it was always books. Yeah, but

41:31

it was also a series from the 70s and

41:33

80s that was in black and white and was

41:35

when Marvel for a little while was doing adult

41:37

themed books that had, you know,

41:39

Newsy and fighting and stuff that not comics

41:42

go down. It was Roy Thomas. Yeah.

41:45

Yes. And once I sort of

41:47

grasped what that was, I really came around

41:49

to it relatively quickly. I was like, oh,

41:51

cool. There were tons of like pinups and

41:53

maps and stuff. One of those three main

41:55

pieces of story that was Conan the Dragon's

41:57

Chord by John Arcudi and Max von Fassen.

42:00

Then there was a two page, although it was longer

42:02

than that, prose story by Jim Zubb, sacrifice

42:05

of the sand, a Conan short story. And

42:07

then master of the hunt, part one written drama by Patrick

42:09

Zurtcher, which was not a Conan story, but

42:11

a Solomon Kane story, which is a

42:13

character who predated Conan. Is

42:16

it Robert E. Howard? Yeah, Robert E. Howard character. That

42:18

makes sense. Created two years earlier

42:20

than Conan. It was essentially Conan, just

42:23

with a big Puritan hat. But he's basically

42:25

Conan. It looks like Conan. He's got the same blue

42:27

eyes, long black hair and sword. I

42:30

was curious if they were going to make any kind of connection because

42:32

they clearly look exactly the same, but they

42:34

did not as of yet. I did have that thought

42:36

as well. I really enjoyed reading this. As did I.

42:39

I thought the Arcudi main story Conan and the

42:41

Dragon Horde, which was just a one part story

42:43

because the Solomon Kane story is part one of

42:45

however many. Four? I thought it

42:47

was terrific, the main story. The Arcudi story?

42:50

Yeah. And

42:52

it was exactly what I wanted it to be. It's classic. There's

42:54

a level of silliness that you can have

42:56

there. There's a level of pretty straightforward, like

42:59

you know who the bad guy is. There

43:02

was one bit in it where I was like, come on Conan, how

43:04

stupid are you when the guys like the

43:06

gold's back there. Just

43:09

go down into that hole. And I was like, Conan,

43:11

come on. It's like making a gesture to go make

43:13

a lift. Yeah. Make a lift. But

43:16

I was like, you can't be that stupid. But then at the same

43:18

time I was like, you know, go for it. I'm

43:20

fine. Go for it Conan. This is all

43:23

the elements you want, Conan. And

43:25

this point is general Conan. And look,

43:27

Conan is a great character because he defies

43:29

the normal rules. Like he's good at everything.

43:31

He's the best sword fighter ever.

43:33

He's the best thief ever. He's the best lover ever.

43:35

He's the best general ever. Like he's the best at

43:37

everything. And normally that kind of thing's annoying.

43:40

But it works because it's so kind of over the top

43:42

with Conan. He's leading a force.

43:44

He's been hired this mixed force that some

43:46

of them are herpis, some of them are

43:48

the guys people against a city for a

43:50

siege. Everyone's sort of uneasy. There's

43:52

a badass busty woman there who eventually

43:54

will succumb to Conan's charms. By the

43:57

way, he's got gain. Yeah. He

43:59

totally. He nails it with the line, with the

44:01

drink. Good line. I totally would have used

44:03

something like that in my 20s. He's good. I was

44:06

like, he's much more swab because there's other books where he's written,

44:08

his two books are just attracted to his strength

44:10

or whatever, but in this, there's a little swagger,

44:12

there was a little wit to him. I was

44:14

like, all right. And so they get

44:16

to the city. The guy who hired

44:18

everybody, he's got these two giant bodyguards, plus

44:20

he has two lion pets and they've got

44:22

elephants. They get to the city

44:25

and they're laying siege to it and a lot

44:27

of the army is deserted because they've been there

44:29

for so long, nothing's happening. But they're supposedly a

44:31

gold miner underneath the city. That's what they're all

44:33

there for. And there's a point where they attack

44:35

and then the elephants are trying to break down

44:37

the gate and the gate opens

44:40

and the elephants get shredded by something and

44:42

then a giant fucking Tyrannosaurus Rex comes out

44:44

and I went, sure, why not? There's

44:47

the panel, Riddick comes out as an inset of

44:50

Conan's face and he's like, shit. Like

44:52

if he doesn't do that a lot, he's

44:55

genuinely taken aback. And they call it

44:57

a dragon. It's a Tyrannosaurus Rex, but

44:59

it also has like bony spine

45:02

to it. So it's slightly different, but they

45:04

end up defeating that with the help of

45:07

the girl as an engineer. She's got all

45:09

these trebuchets and giant ballistas, which are giant

45:11

arrow shooting things with me. They

45:13

end up being that and then there's a disagreement. Conan has to

45:16

kill the lions, kill the bodyguards, blah, blah, blah. He has

45:18

a lot of sex with the woman while they're laying siege because

45:20

what else are you going to do? Sure.

45:23

He gets suspicious. He sneaks into the city, finds out that almost

45:25

everybody in the city is already dead. And so they go in,

45:27

find out the city is run by the guy's brother, the main

45:29

guy's brother. There is no gold. There's

45:31

only a bunch of baby Tyrannosaurus Rexes in

45:34

the... It's just basically it ends with almost

45:36

everybody dying except for Conan and the girl

45:38

and they ride off into

45:40

the sunset. It was a classic Conan story. My only

45:43

negative to say is first of all, we read this

45:45

digitally on the discord. People were saying that the print

45:47

version was kind of hard to read because

45:49

the art was really dark and which I could

45:52

totally see. You know, these are all black and

45:54

white stories. It seemed as though Max von

45:56

Fafner, who's the artist, I think is really, really good artist.

46:00

You know, Druida's digitally did

46:02

grayscale sort of painting and

46:04

then well, either before or after put

46:06

lines over it and the lines didn't

46:09

really work with the grayscale, especially

46:11

the woman's face, Ina. You

46:14

gave her all these unnecessary extra lines that

46:16

the grayscale already pointed out. Textures

46:19

of her face didn't need these thin

46:21

clearly digital lines. Sometimes

46:23

digital is not working and this is one of those times where

46:25

it just felt like it didn't fit the art. It was like,

46:27

pick a style, you know, either digitally

46:29

paint it with grayscale or do line drawings.

46:32

But the way he did both didn't really work a lot. That was my

46:34

only negative. Didn't notice it didn't bother me. Otherwise,

46:38

it looked really good. It just felt like it didn't

46:40

need both. I liked her face

46:42

in that it didn't look like every face.

46:45

Every face in comics of women always just looks

46:47

like the same blonde woman drawn by Alex Raymond,

46:49

but this didn't. And so I thought that was

46:52

kind of cool. I really loved that style. It

46:54

brought me right back to like, oh man, these

46:56

black and white sort of Conan comics from the

46:58

70s, which I was, you know, which I kind

47:01

of knew about. But when I was a kid,

47:03

I never read them and I really enjoyed it.

47:05

How was the Jim Zubb story? It was

47:07

fine. It was enjoyable. It didn't take me that long to

47:10

read. A Vestal Virgin being taken to sacrifice and

47:12

Conan shows up and kills everybody rescues or it

47:14

was a very simple sort of Conan story. I

47:16

thought it was good. That's what he does. Then

47:19

the Solomon Kane story, which is again, just a

47:21

Puritan Conan stories. He's

47:23

the same character. He goes up

47:25

on this farm where the husband is

47:27

missing because he went out. Some creatures

47:30

are killing all the

47:32

livestock and then wife gives

47:34

him a look, but they don't That

47:36

was my favorite part of the whole

47:38

issue. She was like, Oh, Esther, the

47:40

sun goes out and he gets kidnapped

47:43

by the creature and Solomon Kane is

47:45

chasing. It was fine. It was fine.

47:48

It looked good. I will definitely keep my eyes open

47:50

for the next issue. I'm not going to get TLC.

47:52

Sometimes I miss Titan books, but I'm

47:54

happy to read more Conan adventures. I'm

47:56

not incredibly invested in the Solomon Kane

47:58

story, but I'll read them. next issue if

48:00

I see it. Yeah. There's a Howard Porter

48:02

pin up in the back. Not Howard Porter, Howard Chaikin.

48:04

Yeah, there is, which I don't know what that was.

48:06

Solomon Kane. I was like, who, who is it? It's

48:10

not Conan. No, it wasn't Conan.

48:12

He's that kind of cavalier sort. That's what

48:14

Solomon Kane had. Okay, yeah. Ratings. I thought for

48:17

sure they were gonna make, he was either Conan

48:19

or Conan's descendant. Ratings. I doubt, they

48:21

shouldn't. Like it's the same character and they look

48:23

exactly the same. Out of five, I'm gonna give

48:25

it four and a quarter

48:28

for the whole thing. I quite enjoyed it.

48:30

Four. Four. And I'm sticking with it. Sticking

48:33

with it. Yes. Yeah. If

48:35

I remember. patreon.com/iFanboy. You can vote to add to the

48:37

rundown every week if you're a patron or if you

48:39

want to become one and get involved in the show,

48:41

you can do it that way. It's fun. And

48:44

as I mentioned earlier, if you give it the $5 or

48:46

higher level, you get a superpower live on the show like

48:48

Cormac. The one named Cormac. He

48:50

is the share of Ireland. Cormac,

48:53

he's a vine man. What

48:56

vine man can do is he can shoot. I thought

48:58

you said he was a fine man. I was like,

49:00

fine man. Nice. Vine man with

49:02

a V can shoot vines out of his hands

49:04

and use them to swing or to rope or

49:06

to tie up things. It's

49:09

like Spider-Man, but with vines instead of

49:11

webbing. Okay. I just realized that now. I

49:13

didn't plan it that way. Because I was saying it, I was

49:15

like, this is just Spider-Man, but I had to go

49:17

with it. So he can shoot vines,

49:20

swing like Tarzan or rope you up with

49:22

them or just shoot them

49:24

out. Vines from his hands. All right. Do

49:26

they have any... They just have leaves on

49:28

them. There's no fruit or anything. They don't

49:30

move. They're not prehensile.

49:33

No, they're just vines. I

49:35

mean, they can hook on things and they can catch

49:37

on things. Thorns? Do they have extra strength and are

49:39

they able to be swung upon? Yeah, you can swing

49:41

on them. Okay. Yeah, for

49:43

sure. And he has to make the

49:46

Tarzan yell when he does it. Oh, wow. There's

49:48

a whole other element. Can

49:50

they be rapped about something or do they just

49:52

shoot out like silly string? Kind

49:55

of both, depending on his mood. Like

49:59

if you celebrate. thing, his team went, whoo, silly

50:01

string vines come flying out. Does

50:05

he ever so much like Spider-Man that I was just

50:07

making the gesture to myself but I made the Spider-Man

50:10

fingers? Does he ever sneeze? Does

50:12

he ever come out? Yeah. Well

50:15

you know how like when you're sick, you know,

50:17

you sort of lose control and so, you know,

50:20

not normally but like if he wasn't, if he was sort

50:22

of maybe drunk or something like he sneezes and vines come

50:24

out, you know. That's just a

50:26

rarity. And like one

50:28

of those things from like an 80s comedy

50:30

where like a woman like touches his shoulder

50:33

or something, like divine shootout at that point.

50:35

Yeah, like if he's very turned on. Yeah,

50:37

something like that. Yes, divine man.

50:40

Or somebody says something and then they're

50:42

just having a toothpaste tube and they

50:44

squeeze it and it all shoots out

50:46

like that joke. God, that's annoying. That's

50:48

expensive. So there you go, Cormac. Thanks

50:50

for being a patron. patreon.com/iFanboy. That's

50:52

how you can become a patron and get your superpower

50:54

live on the show. We got two

50:56

emails, Josh, and I've titled this segment The Airing

50:58

of Grievances. Uh oh. I

51:01

got a lot of problems with you people. The

51:03

first email is from Mateo A. Mateo says,

51:05

Longtime listener since 2006. As

51:08

you observed more than once nowadays, it feels like the

51:10

majority of comics are drawn by Italian artists. That's

51:13

a native speaking Italian. I feel

51:15

like to help you with your pronunciation with your

51:17

artists. I love you guys but you're really butchering

51:19

these names. When you say you

51:21

guys, do you mostly mean Connor? No, it's

51:23

both of us. He says, the letter K

51:25

doesn't exist in the Italian alphabet. Okay. And

51:27

the K sound is represented by the C

51:30

or the CH depending on the following vowel.

51:32

So Marco Cicchetto, as we

51:34

used to say, is actually Marco Cacchetto.

51:36

Okay. Valerio Schiti, as we used to

51:39

say, is Valerio Schiti. Okay.

51:41

Sarah Pachelli, as we say, is... Pichelli.

51:45

Pichelli. And he entered his email with Ciao. Now, that's

51:48

a very helpful email, Mateo. That is. That

51:50

is. That's true. Don't let us go

51:52

on butchering these things. This is what happened in the old

51:54

days when all these shows first started. No one ever spoke

51:56

these names out loud. Yeah. And So

51:58

when all these podcasts began..., The filing six. We.

52:01

All got flooded with emails from creators whoever saying

52:03

you're totally saying those names wrong because no one

52:05

ever said them out loud before you only read

52:08

i'm in a book I have a your headset

52:10

them without was and many times you were on

52:12

the show saying it for the first time because

52:14

you'd never thought about it as a came out

52:17

your mouth you thought this isn't right fishy about

52:19

was like blue or with yeah and your joints

52:21

oh I don't know what to do with this.

52:25

These letters together our problem

52:27

for me to Caddo is

52:30

extend out. Now it'll.

52:33

Get that we're going to make of Guidi

52:35

Concerted effort to pronounce his name correctly. However,

52:37

He says the Ch isn't always a k depends the

52:39

vowels. A Look, we're going to me now make all

52:41

see it as the case and you're going to read

52:43

back and say was not in this case So it's

52:46

just it's a minefield. It's environs you

52:48

appreciate the, you know sir, Don't.

52:50

Wait so long as cemetery with butchering separate

52:52

tells them for like ten years he just

52:54

did it again as he. Served.

52:56

Because when we were pushing

52:58

for ten years, is it

53:01

pronounced Sara? Sara? It's it's

53:03

scare said I. Scallops Kelly.

53:05

I'm sorry I'm daughter is now I'm gonna like

53:07

but now we're not going to type of job

53:10

so. I. Know when

53:12

I was gonna do. he has

53:14

see I picture Meteorite Miss email

53:16

on his phone while he's also

53:19

riding of Vesper. Would. Have

53:21

is gonna use Silas Scar Slap

53:23

in the Wind and he's also

53:25

somehow drinking a espresso. And

53:27

there's a very beautiful woman who gizmo look if

53:30

he gives are looking for man depending on when

53:32

i was thinking is anisette but i don't understand

53:34

how you can drive the scooter. Pipe.

53:36

And smoke the cigarette. I mean you

53:38

give it in your mouth forbid he's

53:41

riding a scooter, smoking cigarettes, typing on

53:43

the phone, entering and espresso and having

53:45

like heads roll look on his face

53:47

and nothing bothers him with the. Or

53:51

whatever the is in a like a real time

53:53

is really Staios addressed sir. But.

53:55

Like not for today and if I just keep

53:57

giving them have adjusted. he gives a back somehow.

54:00

It and like eat any corner he

54:02

stops on for decades and fresh bread

54:04

best. Finish

54:06

any any just looks it it is is

54:09

is he's clearly happy was not gonna is

54:11

what the bay. And

54:13

they know odd things are writing and with their.

54:17

To says airing of grievances, Charles he writes

54:20

them says i'm really surprised that you guys

54:22

loved Alan Scott degree laughing so much in

54:24

one part of the story the villain was

54:26

killing of the prostitutes and scuff frequented at

54:29

the docks. This. Wasn't boyfriends or when

54:31

I sense he paid them for sex? The

54:33

say be so angry because of this was the flash or

54:35

whomever paying for a call girl you be yelling that is

54:37

bad writing and a toy was ruined Character: That.

54:40

You're not reads books he kept their i

54:42

says I saw this one and I and

54:44

I was like do not you guys I

54:46

didn't read it wasn't mean Ryan Ryan I'm

54:48

really not Shows There's lots going on here

54:50

So number one is. Not. All

54:52

characters are the same so what's ok

54:54

for wants her to me not be

54:56

okay for her character and I soon

54:59

by the flashy mean Jay Garrick and

55:01

now all of us But season story

55:03

here that Alan Scott as a closeted

55:05

mail had to turn to prostitutes so

55:07

that he could continue staying in the

55:09

closet. but Seal is a cassette. The

55:11

deal Okay because that's what had to

55:13

happen. Gender. Nineteen forties all

55:16

the way up through fairly recently.

55:18

even today. Yes, And. Sort

55:20

of Couple things one is or justice said

55:22

is that homosexuality, heterosexuality are not treated the

55:24

same by society, especially nineteen forties so you

55:26

had to do things he couldn't just go

55:28

deep people. He said he had to find

55:30

companionship and that time of the world anyway

55:32

could have the most frequently meant. Paying.

55:34

For companionship every read the first couple after the

55:37

cmos to make sure I didn't read most recent

55:39

one but tool neighbors were the he paid damage.

55:41

they were just also prostitutes and doesn't matter that

55:43

doesn't matter as the same thing, they were deeply

55:45

in the closet and you can't just. Go

55:48

date people do. The thing is. This.

55:50

will be slightly controversial problems censored but i

55:52

don't think this is so a moral failing

55:54

to visit a prostitute depending on the situation

55:56

i've not done this myself but especially in

55:58

the forties asked us to GI. And so

56:00

if you consider that to be a moral

56:02

failing, a good portion of the men who

56:05

fought in World War II would fall into that because a

56:07

good portion of the men who fought in World War II

56:09

visited prostitutes throughout the war. I don't

56:12

have a problem with that at all. They didn't know

56:14

if they were going to die or not. And so

56:16

you combine that with the fact that he had to

56:18

be stuck in the closet and had to do these

56:20

things. It's not the same as Jay Garrick. Now, if

56:22

you're saying Jay Garrick is married with a

56:24

kid and he visits a prostitute, that's a different story, but

56:26

it's not the same as Alan Scott's story. And

56:29

it's certainly a different story if it's Wally

56:31

West today. Right. If it's Wally West

56:33

today, I get it. Those kids are

56:35

terrible. He needs to get away from them. But yes,

56:37

we would say that's a bad choice. But that's because

56:39

Wally West's specific circumstances are different than

56:41

Alan Scott's and Jay Garrick's are different than Alan Scott's.

56:43

The way they're telling the story, I don't know, lots

56:46

of people are upset about what they changed and made

56:48

Alan Scott gay. It was certainly an adjustment in my

56:50

head because he was one character for 30 years. But

56:53

longer than that, the way this –

56:55

well, in my comic, I know, I know. In

56:57

the way they portrayed this, it's been very sensitive

56:59

and very realistic in terms of what men

57:02

were going through. And again, it's not like it's

57:04

stopping now. It's still not condone a lot of

57:06

places. You lived in the shadows. You

57:08

lived on the edge of society because

57:11

you were forced to. And you're

57:13

a young man with needs. You were just in the war.

57:15

I don't have a problem with that. You may not like

57:17

it. It may not make you happy. That's fine. It's your

57:19

right as a reader to not be happy with the story

57:21

choices. But I don't think it's a ruining of the character.

57:23

I think it's a very realistic version of what someone like

57:26

him would have gone through in the 1940s and

57:29

50s. So that's why we're yelling about

57:31

it. In thoughts, Josh? I know you didn't read

57:33

it, but you know about this period of time. Yeah.

57:35

I think you covered what I would

57:38

have said. But certainly, if we're going

57:40

for realism, and it's

57:42

sort of your call whether that's something you

57:44

want in a book or not, like a

57:46

superhero book, it's not far off. And did

57:48

he give a shit that they were killing

57:50

off the prostitutes? Was he shitty?

57:52

I don't know. There's a whole

57:55

level of stuff that could change it around or

57:57

mean different things, but it's not like this is.

58:00

unusual to fiction

58:04

and historical fiction. I don't

58:06

consider it a moral failing of the character because I

58:08

don't know anything about him but it tells me a

58:10

lot about what kind of story you're talking you're doing

58:12

here. Is this black label? No this is just a

58:14

regular book. It was a word.

58:16

They weren't showing him visiting them. They were showing him

58:18

talking to them because one of the guys was missing

58:21

and he's like oh he'd gone to somebody's house and

58:23

it turns out that Alex Scott's boyfriend who was really

58:25

the villain has been killing off all the people close

58:27

to him. It's not lurid. They weren't showing him actually

58:29

visiting the prostitutes. It was the aftermath of people he

58:32

knew had been done missing from the docks. It's

58:35

just what happened. Men like him were

58:37

not allowed to live a normal life. Quote-unquote what we call

58:39

normal. And so that's the

58:41

reality of the 1940s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. It

58:48

wasn't exploitative. It wasn't lured. It was just

58:50

a factual. I guess it's what happened. I

58:52

think you'd really like this book Josh but

58:54

just letting you know. Well I love prostitute

58:56

murders. Sure. The main point, I mean there's

58:58

lots of main points but the main point

59:00

is not every character is the same and so you have

59:02

to judge what happens with each character differently. conference.famboy.com

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59:33

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59:35

to reading that. I love that book. It's a

59:37

great book. David Simon's a great book. Yep. So

59:40

I'm really looking forward to that. It's a two-part

59:42

adaptation. We're talking about the first part and

59:44

so they'll be coming to you probably the end of the month. We need time to read

59:46

it. Digest and all that stuff. And

59:48

then probably earlier in the month, well in that

59:51

mid month you're gonna get our media explode show.

59:53

Our next media explode. So I guess we're doing

59:55

that subject of shows we should be watching. We

59:57

talked about that last episode. We're gonna talk

59:59

about the shows. that are on our two watch lists, and then

1:00:01

the rest of the guys are gonna make the case for

1:00:03

watching one of them, and then we're gonna each watch one

1:00:05

and report back. Did we talk about this? I have never

1:00:08

heard any of that. That was, we discussed it on the

1:00:10

last show. Eh, it's fine, I

1:00:12

don't remember that. Swiss cheese brain, are you a time

1:00:14

traveler? Yeah, it's bad, I'm not gonna lie to you.

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And then maybe there'll be a talk slow this

1:00:19

month. There wasn't one last month because there was

1:00:21

some scheduling difficulties, and it's tough with that kind

1:00:23

of thing, and so. Yeah, yeah, I've got a.

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You got somebody on the hook. I got a fish on

1:00:28

the hook for sure. There was a lot of reaching out

1:00:30

last month, and they didn't work out, so. But we're good,

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you guys know. I'm gonna make sure that's

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a good show. Could be the month for the Federal

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Reserve. Awful month. Jerome Powell couldn't make it work with

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his schedule. And so Josh moved on to other

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figures. Yeah. Other

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people. Jerome Powell doesn't know what he's missing out on.

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So look for those shows this month, and then next

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name structure, but it's just what happened because.

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You really got that in your head, huh? We've been around each other for so long,

1:01:19

we share a brain. That's why it's so cheesy.

1:01:21

Two people using the same brain. It's just really.

1:01:23

You got more of the memory. I

1:01:26

got more of the anxiety. I don't

1:01:28

think that was a good trade, but here we are.

1:01:31

Seems unfair. No, it does. So that's how

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you can find us online. It's the only place we are

1:01:35

online. If anyone else claims to be us, that's not us.

1:01:38

Is that a thing? I'm not, I don't know. I'm just putting it

1:01:40

out there. It's not us. Wouldn't you be

1:01:42

just, I would be almost flattered. By the way, that

1:01:44

is not an invitation. No, actually back

1:01:46

in the days of using Twitter, there was

1:01:48

another Connor Kilpatrick from Brooklyn. He

1:01:51

was a politics writer. You had

1:01:53

the same problem. You had another Josh Flanagan. You

1:01:55

had Jay Flanagan. You had Jay Flanagan who got

1:01:57

much bigger than me. You had Jay Flanagan. C.

1:02:00

Kilpatrick and he was a... It was

1:02:02

Josh Flanagan. Politics writer. What was

1:02:04

in his handle, J. Flanagan? I think it

1:02:06

was Josh Flanagan. He was with rooster teeth and

1:02:09

I believe since then there was a large

1:02:11

problem. There was a scandal. There was something that's

1:02:13

not around anymore. So I don't know what happened

1:02:15

to that guy. My guy, we lived in

1:02:17

the same borough. We run the

1:02:19

same age. We both rode online at

1:02:22

the time and we were constantly getting each other's

1:02:24

angry messages. One letter off. In the same

1:02:26

way you and that, Josh became sort of friendly. We became sort

1:02:29

of friendly the same way. I even had someone I know personally

1:02:31

confuse us. He sent me an angry

1:02:33

direct message about something that he tweeted. I was like,

1:02:36

I need you to look at that again. Closely.

1:02:40

And see, that's not me. And they did not

1:02:42

respond. I think they were embarrassed. So anyway.

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You can subscribe to youtube.com/iFanboy. You can find

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with the audio here. It doesn't animate. It

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doesn't do any of those things. We can

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start using AI to animate the show. Yeah.

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I'm sure eventually they'll do a little cartoons. Yeah. Just

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like we'll drop in the audio and say just animate

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these two guys talking about comics and we'll see how

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that goes. But that's there if you choose to enjoy

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necessarily. But that's what we got. Actually, I

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looked it up and we were discussing this

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on the Discord. I looked it up how

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many different podcast apps people are using to

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listen to the show. And it's

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a lot. Yeah. A whole

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lot of options. I'm finding lists here. It is dozens,

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including someone. People listening on a

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Zoom device. No

1:03:43

shit. Yeah. So if

1:03:45

people listening on iTunes, it's

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dozens. Dozens of ways people listen

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to the show. There are dozens of us. There are

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dozens of us. Thousands. It's a lot.

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It's a lot. Thank you. If

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you're listening on Zoom, awesome. Awesome. record

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collection. That's

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it. Thank you. Thanks for listening.

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That was fun. I enjoyed that. It always ends the week

1:04:07

on a good note, Josh. It just does. If only the

1:04:09

week were over. It's

1:04:12

true. Until then, I'm Connor. I'm

1:04:14

Josh. Thank you.