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This is iFanboy Pick of the Week number 919 brought to you by...

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Yeah, iFanboy listeners like you. My

2:13

name's Josh Flanagan. Sitting

2:41

in for my co-host, Connor Kilpatrick, is

2:44

Dr. Ryan Haupt. Hit me baby one

2:46

more time. That's what I call color commentary. I'm here

2:48

for the color. Josh is here to keep us on

2:50

the rails. Hey, if you're going to start doing that,

2:52

then you have to let me know so I can

2:54

set up a soundboard situation. Hauptik.

3:00

Hauptik? That has to have existed previously. Yeah, you

3:02

said it should be on the soundboard and I

3:04

included it at the stinger at the end of

3:06

the episode that it was first introduced in. I

3:08

saved it as a separate sound file. If I

3:10

ever need to drop it in again, if I

3:12

ever have another hauptik, I can drop it in.

3:15

You're telling me that I came up with that and I

3:18

said, that's really good. And then

3:20

you just did it again. I just went down the

3:22

same neural pathways. I

3:25

do that if I listen to these shows,

3:27

which I don't do all that frequently, like

3:29

later, not when I edit it. I

3:31

think of the same joke in my head often

3:34

before I hear myself say it. Like if I

3:36

don't remember. Same. I think like, why

3:38

haven't I butted in to say this yet? And then I'll

3:40

butt in and say that the worst is when I can

3:42

hear that I'm getting a frog in my throat and I'm

3:44

like, oh my God, Ryan, clear your throat. And then like,

3:46

I have to like clear my throat in real life and

3:48

hopefully on the mic to get it

3:50

out of my brain. That's fun. This

3:53

is the, uh, I fanboy pick of the week.

3:55

Number eight. Nope. Number 919, 919. The

4:00

number as a significant those trying to think of

4:02

of under the counter O max. It

4:04

a little I lived as I like. There is something about it that

4:06

I like this of. Was. Nine

4:09

is that are said. We did get a job at number

4:11

of his I know I'm. Not. Not.

4:13

Well there's a if Marvel Upside Down.

4:15

There is an interpretation of it is

4:17

a Marvel Universe of the Down. There

4:20

is another a translation of the Market

4:22

Obese where it is Six One Six

4:24

Months Six Six Six Foot. Every

4:26

week one of us picks the was books

4:28

they like the best them their sack comics

4:30

we tend to keep the. Ecclesiastical

4:34

and is it liturgical? is that the correct

4:36

word apocryphal of know that several in other

4:38

words I know try so hard to think

4:40

of word indignant early the and I could

4:42

not do it. Ah they pick the books

4:44

they liked from their stagger comics. we call

4:46

that the pig of a week or we

4:48

will talk about that. Pick. That. Book

4:50

We will hire other comics that came out this

4:52

week Little Psycho, the Patron Pick which is a

4:55

big of somebody else that they made Ah a

4:57

group of people. Will be

4:59

listener mail. Maybe I should be. a good

5:01

fun time. Ah, there will be spoilers for

5:03

those books, so if you're not into that,

5:06

You. Have been warned. Ryan.

5:08

You the back. I didn't have

5:11

the pick and I'm. The.

5:14

First book I read on my back

5:16

at our our must admit I surprised

5:18

myself by having the reaction I did

5:20

this book but it ended up as

5:22

the pack which from charging oaks they

5:24

can see the totally absurd. Is.

5:26

Fables number one hundred and sixty

5:29

Two parts twelve of twelve of

5:31

the Black Forest Service's The Return

5:33

of Be Complete original Fables Team

5:35

spill on him. Writing Mark Buckingham

5:37

on pencils, Steve lay a whole

5:39

lot it on inks, lilo, red

5:41

colors and Todd coin letters. So

5:44

as an all star team. From.

5:47

Your maybe have a slightly prior

5:49

era of comics returning to a

5:51

series that. Was.

5:54

both much more much beloved much maligned

5:56

mina much maligned that like was it

5:58

had it's moments of controversy and

6:00

they've done this 12 issue arc and this

6:05

final issue felt

6:07

very much like the final episode in a

6:09

season of Game of Thrones where like most

6:12

of the action happens in the penultimate

6:14

episode. But then the

6:16

final episode is sort of the epilogue

6:18

for all the various story arcs that

6:20

came about that season. You follow me? I

6:23

do. And that's sort of

6:25

what this was. You know, there's sort of a

6:28

climactic moment at the beginning of the issue and then the

6:30

rest of the issue is sort of picking up the pieces.

6:32

Everyone sort of settling back into what their lives are going

6:34

to become. If you haven't been reading this

6:36

the whole time, I don't think me going over any of the

6:38

story beats is going to

6:40

be that meaningful. I assume Josh, you've not been

6:42

reading this. Okay. It

6:45

tied up. I wouldn't even say it's had a blue

6:47

sense because sort of the point of fables

6:51

as an overarching

6:53

theme of the book and

6:56

the point of this issue in particular, I'll just

6:58

say sort of the little there. All

7:00

issues of fables have like a little blurb

7:03

of like, here in we

7:05

learned that blah, blah, blah. So the

7:07

one for this book, this issue is

7:09

in which we conclude the story of

7:11

the Black Forest knowing that stories never

7:13

really end. And I

7:15

just thought it was a really

7:19

nicely done ending to this series

7:21

that for folks who don't know,

7:25

fables is a book about I guess

7:27

I probably do need to give a little background on fables because like people might not know.

7:31

Fables was a book from the the

7:33

peak vertigo times where it's a bunch

7:35

of public domain fairy tale characters like

7:38

Snow White, Big Bad Wolf, Old King

7:40

Cole, Little Boy Blue,

7:42

Pinocchio, etc, etc. Cinderella,

7:44

Sleeping Beauty, Belle

7:46

and the Beast. And they're all

7:48

living together in this block in Manhattan

7:50

having escaped into the quote unquote mundane

7:53

world from their fantastical realms that have

7:55

been invaded by this unknown.

7:58

It's just called the... adversary And

8:02

it was supposed to go for 75 issues and

8:04

one person it went for 75 issues and

8:06

was really strong that whole way through and

8:08

then Bill and the

8:10

team decided to keep it going and there were

8:13

a ton of spin-offs and some of them were really good but

8:16

I think the story lost

8:18

its way a little bit and Full

8:21

disclosure not that we're journalists, but like I'm

8:23

friends with Bill I have spent

8:25

a lot of time with him and I

8:27

know for a fact and he said this in interviews I

8:29

don't think this is a secret that the adversary was always

8:31

intended to be Peter Pan So

8:34

he had always planned that Peter Pan was the ultimate

8:36

big bad guy for fables but

8:39

There's this weird quirk with copyright law similar

8:41

to Steamboat Willie that we've probably been seeing,

8:43

you know People have been seeing the news.

8:46

There's this weird quirk with Peter Pan where

8:48

Peter Pan was public domain in the US But

8:50

not public domain in the UK and Vertigo sales,

8:53

you know The trade sales were important

8:55

in the international market So Vertigo wouldn't let they'll use

8:57

Peter Pan or you know caution him against it because

8:59

he would not they would not be able to Sell

9:02

the book in the UK Because

9:04

of this weird rights issue where J.M. Barry

9:06

the original author Peter Pan had given the

9:08

rights to this character to the London Children's

9:10

Hospital so the London Children's Hospital could make

9:13

Money off the proceeds of Peter Pan stuff to

9:15

help like take care of kids. Like it's a

9:17

good thing It wasn't like yeah, it's corporate greed

9:20

But I meant the Parliament had like extended the copyright

9:22

beyond when they normally would So

9:25

now Peter Pan is fully public domain. So you've

9:27

been seeing a lot of movies and other properties come out so so

9:29

I think what this 12 issue arc

9:31

represented was sort of I Think

9:34

I haven't actually talked about this But I think this

9:36

was Bill getting to sort of tell that part of

9:38

the story that he was sort of Stopped from telling

9:41

when he was in the thick of

9:43

it full swing and I just thought that was

9:45

a really cool moment It was a really interesting

9:48

way to return to this tale that he maybe didn't

9:50

get to do exactly how he wanted Maybe put some

9:52

of those pieces back in play In

9:55

the way that he'd always originally intended and then

9:57

just sort of give all the characters there their

9:59

goodbye And it

10:03

was satisfying in there. This is the end

10:05

end. I think so. I mean, it says it

10:08

says the end. And

10:10

then there's no, there's

10:13

no like, uh,

10:15

uh, uh, next, you know,

10:17

to be continued. There's like, do we know

10:19

if there's another issue solicited? What

10:22

number is this? The one one 62. Yeah.

10:26

Keep talking while I do this. But it's a

10:28

publish you arc. So like, this is, um, you

10:30

know, a complete maxi series and it

10:33

ends in sort of a way that's consistent with the ending

10:35

we got from the original series, which sort

10:38

of ends on a note about the legacy of

10:40

the big guy Wolf and Snow White, which if you read the series,

10:43

you know, they become a couple, they have kids. And

10:45

so their kid and their kids go off into the, into the

10:47

world and have all these various and varied

10:49

adventures and become sort of gods of mythical

10:51

worlds in their own rights. Um, the big

10:53

guy Wolf is essentially a God in the

10:56

world of fables. Um, and

10:59

yeah, it just, it says the end at the end. So

11:01

I have to, I don't see, I don't see, uh, I

11:04

don't see 163, uh, like solicited or

11:09

anything like that. So I guess that'll be the end of it. Yeah.

11:11

Yeah. Cause it says fables series originally

11:14

published in single. This is on goodreads, uh,

11:16

form by fables number one to one 62 by

11:18

DC. I like it as if it's over. And

11:22

I just, I was impressed that,

11:24

um, this same creative team could

11:26

return. In, you know,

11:28

and do as good a story as

11:30

they've done previous, um, as sort of

11:32

this 12 issue arc and

11:34

there were stakes, there were consequences,

11:37

you know, it's it again, um,

11:40

gets back to that sort of game of

11:42

thrones thing where like characters are making decisions.

11:44

Those decisions have consequences. Those consequences are sometimes

11:46

dire, if not downright tragic. And to

11:48

me, that's like the mark of a good story. It's that Brian

11:50

K. Vaughn thing of kill your darlings. Um,

11:53

and I just, I, I, I

11:55

would say this is a really strong week of comics.

11:58

I liked a lot of books. There were several. books

12:00

that easily could have been picked. And

12:02

like there were so many good books that could have

12:04

been picked, not even all of them are in the

12:07

rundown of this week's episode. But

12:10

this was the one that emotionally sort of

12:12

just hit me the hardest where I live

12:14

reminded me of the time when

12:16

I was first getting back into comics in a serious

12:18

way in that early 2000s peak Vertigo

12:20

era. And it just yeah,

12:22

I just couldn't couldn't kind of stop thinking about

12:26

maybe less of the story beats and just what it

12:28

made me feel about all the characters that had come

12:30

to know over the time I've spent reading this book.

12:32

And so it just it for that it was the

12:34

best book ever this week. That

12:37

is and was the this team

12:39

doing the all the issues of

12:41

this arc? Yeah. Really?

12:43

Yeah, it's my understanding that that

12:45

Buckingham has had a

12:47

harder time with that recently.

12:50

And so to have them sort of go all

12:52

the way through that's pretty amazing. And it's got

12:54

the great like Buckingham side panels where like the

12:57

side gutters of the each page is

12:59

like that they abandoned that

13:01

I figured the new art. But it's just

13:03

like to me it's it's almost

13:06

reminiscent of a bygone era of comics to have

13:08

like this extra little flourish that like tells

13:11

you which character arc you're

13:13

following based on something completely outside the

13:16

panel borders of the story beats

13:18

themselves. Like to me, that's just such a

13:20

interesting touch that no

13:22

one does if they ever did no one

13:24

does it anymore. And right buggy still got

13:27

it. It's very

13:29

good. That's very cool. I'm glad that that

13:31

that that that's I mean, the

13:33

book meant a lot to me for a

13:35

long time. And when it ended, it was

13:37

75. I think, you know, it's

13:39

weird that they've gone more issues than they had before

13:41

the first time that they sort of ended it. You

13:45

know, I sort of came back in and I thought, it

13:48

really ended well for me. And I kind of, I

13:51

wasn't getting the sort of same thing out of it. So I

13:54

mean, it's kind of amazing that it has

13:56

gone on for the was it being public? Who's it's

13:59

just DC. I guess because there is no vertigo

14:01

right? Very

14:03

interesting. Yeah, it's a listed as a black label

14:05

book. So I guess DC black label is just

14:07

the new vertigo I don't know. Is it in

14:09

the black label format? What

14:11

does that mean? It's like more square like

14:13

magazine size. I mean, I'm reading it

14:16

digitally so I don't write So well, you'd know it because it

14:18

would You

14:20

tell like it just looks like a standard comic book page. I'm

14:22

guessing is what you're saying. Yeah, doesn't

14:25

matter Uh Yeah,

14:28

so so there that was that was that a tough

14:30

pick or was that like yeah, this is totally it

14:32

I mean, it sounds like it's like a really emotional

14:34

sort of like it was the first it was the

14:36

first book I read this week It was in partly

14:38

because it's that whole weird to Wednesday thing where like

14:41

the DC books come out first So I didn't have

14:43

any my Marvel books to read yet But it was

14:45

like it was you know I knew this was the

14:47

end of the story and so I was legitimately excited

14:49

and so you know The first two books I read

14:51

were fables and action comics

14:53

and they were both really really good and

14:55

I was like, holy crap I don't know

14:57

that any other book I'm gonna read this week is

14:59

gonna be better than either of those two Do I

15:02

have to like figure that out figure out my pick

15:04

from there, which is is rare for me I typically

15:06

am a person who like and

15:08

you've you've experienced this and even complained about

15:10

it We're like, I'll have two or

15:12

three books left and I'll be telling you and Connor

15:14

like well, hang on Let me finish because anyone any

15:17

one of these could be picked and this week It

15:19

was like I was reading through my books

15:21

I was enjoying a lot of them But I was

15:23

like, I don't think any of them quite make it

15:25

to the level that it's gonna unseat the my

15:27

initial gut reaction Got response to this this

15:29

one issue. I like how you were like, well,

15:32

I'm the I'm the kind of person who and I was

15:34

like Well, there's maybe like six people Total

15:37

whoever have to do this. That's

15:39

your boy thing with

15:41

the show, um, I Believe

15:44

you put alien black white and red and

15:46

did it again alien black white

15:48

and blood number two on the list This is

15:50

our first issue was my pick of the week.

15:52

You did. What are your thoughts? Holy shit. This

15:54

is good. Isn't it great? Especially

15:58

I mean the The

16:00

short format one shots that end

16:03

each issue are awesome. But this Utopia

16:05

story arc has me

16:07

hooked. It's so good. I

16:11

made a joke in the script for the next couple

16:13

of books we're gonna talk about. It's fascism corner. Everyone,

16:17

it's just fascism

16:19

all day. So yeah, like

16:21

I maybe wouldn't have read the first issue of

16:23

Alien Black, White and Blood if it hadn't been

16:25

your pick of the week. But as soon as

16:27

I started reading about like this utopian socialist

16:30

colony ship, I was like, oh, that's

16:32

such, what a great

16:34

way to set up a society,

16:38

an organizational structure that is completely

16:40

unprepared for the threat that the

16:42

xenomorphs represent. Because I think so

16:45

often, you know, you very

16:47

succinctly in that episode sort of spelled out the

16:49

alien formula of like it's man's hubris. And

16:51

then it's man's hubris with

16:54

the ultimate predator taking us down because we're

16:56

hubristic in the first place. And typically I

16:58

feel like the alien books lean into that

17:00

hubris being because of capitalism greed. Right? And

17:03

so to say, no, actually the hubris can be

17:06

because of a lack

17:09

of capitalism and a lack of greed can

17:11

also lead to- Ignorant idealism. Yeah,

17:13

ideology, you know, any ideology

17:15

clung too strongly to, and

17:17

I've often said this in

17:21

other contexts in my life, but like really

17:23

ideological rigidity is the problem. Like you

17:26

just can't be so rigid. Yeah,

17:29

fundamentalism. Like flexibility is the

17:31

key to survival. And I see that

17:33

in biology and I see that in

17:35

political- Politics. Yeah, I see that

17:38

in a lot of aspects of life. Like

17:40

flexibility, if you are flexible, if you are

17:42

adaptable, adaptability, if you can evolve, you

17:44

can survive. If you can't evolve, you die. And

17:47

yeah, I gotta say this

17:49

first story, which is

17:51

a continuation of the last utopia,

17:54

part two, two-part story. I mean, I don't

17:57

actually know. There's another part, although it ends

17:59

like you could- from here almost. But you

18:01

said that about the last one. I

18:03

mean, it's true though. It has a very solid ending.

18:06

I mean, it's a very nice short

18:09

story. And those are the

18:11

things that almost tend to impress me

18:13

more than anything in comics is to

18:15

like, you beat, beat, beat, twist ending.

18:17

You know, like it's

18:19

really a skill to be able to do in a

18:22

short amount of time. Colin Kelly and Jackson Lansing who

18:24

have shown an ability to do that, you know, to

18:26

work in many formats and many... But

18:28

what happens here is this book

18:30

takes a massive left turn. Right

18:33

turn really, if we're gonna... Yeah, that's true. It's

18:35

fast and forward, Josh. Over the course of one...

18:38

That's excellent, by the way. You know, basically

18:41

one page, they pass a lot of

18:43

time and a

18:47

lot happens in between that page turn

18:49

and you understand what it is exactly.

18:52

They don't need to explain it to you. It

18:54

goes straight from like the, what's your plan to

18:56

save everything to dear leader. He's

18:58

a deficit. Yeah. And I

19:01

thought that was brilliant. The other thing

19:03

that I thought it did really, really well was much

19:06

more than the first issue was

19:09

I knew through the way

19:11

that they told this story exactly what the

19:13

layout of this like world ship thing

19:15

they were on is. And I thought that

19:17

was a really interesting thing. I

19:20

always think of... Okay,

19:22

so when I watched The Two

19:24

Towers, The Lord of the Rings movie, one

19:26

of the things that really impressed me most about the latter

19:28

half of that movie was that you actually saw and

19:32

understood how the battle commenced

19:34

and the different phases of it and the

19:36

tactics and the strategy and you went through

19:39

and you saw the narrative of the battle.

19:41

And that actually doesn't happen a lot in

19:44

war movies or whatever. It's always

19:46

sort of you're on the ground and you don't see

19:49

the whole thing. And with this,

19:51

we got sort of a complete view of what

19:54

this battle, losing battle against the aliens

19:56

was about and also sort of the

19:59

shape of this. little world that they were living

20:01

in. And sort of Michael

20:04

Dowling, I don't know how much was script and

20:06

how much was drawing, but just in

20:09

a series of, a double page spread in a series

20:11

of four panels out of

20:13

the eight, told

20:16

an entire story. I mean, this was a

20:18

lesson in economy, this story,

20:20

and just like effective storytelling

20:23

economy. It was a great blend of

20:25

action. And it did the

20:27

thing that the best Star Wars movies do

20:29

where like, there's an action moment and then

20:32

there's the control room where you see, you're

20:34

seeing the graphic get updated with what the

20:36

action means. Right. And you can

20:38

look at the postures of the people. Oh, it's

20:40

great. And see how it's going. You do, I'm

20:42

looking at the pages and you don't need to

20:44

read them. Yeah. It

20:47

really, I mean, at the end of the day,

20:49

we like words and we like scripts. But

20:51

when you can look at a comic book page, no matter if they're

20:54

words on it or not, and tell what is happening, you

20:57

know, that's the thing. And in the whole, in this whole

20:59

story, the aliens

21:01

are, they're

21:03

just on rushing. If you look at

21:06

every page, they're just coming at you. That

21:08

is, you know, that is the whole thing

21:11

about them. They don't stop. And as

21:13

you watch as they sort of take part by

21:15

part, and then you've got, so the one kind

21:17

of idealism was the utopians. And

21:19

then the second kind of idealism is I

21:21

don't lose battles. And so he

21:23

can't look in the face of that battle and

21:26

see that he never had a chance. He was

21:28

never winning. So that

21:30

was a great story. Great second part of it is

21:32

to be continued. And again,

21:34

this is also in its own. So each story

21:36

has got its little three act structure, but it's

21:38

part of a larger three act structure. And

21:41

oh, that just gets my bones a chilling. I

21:43

also loved the, I loved the breakdown of the

21:45

different districts. Yeah. So

21:48

like, I wasn't familiar with the term

21:50

rayon, but apparently, so it's apparently a

21:52

subnational entity from the French rayon, meaning

21:55

honeycomb or department. It's commonly translated in

21:57

English as a district. But

21:59

like, so you have Rayon Magellan, water storage aquaponics.

22:01

Magellan was a sailor. Rayon

22:04

Gagarin, first human

22:06

in space, cosmonaut in the Soviet

22:09

Union, industrial fabrication machinery. Rayon

22:11

Byon Kwe, apparently he was

22:13

an Eastern

22:15

Han dynasty divine healer who invented

22:17

acupuncture. So that's like education and

22:20

medical. Rayon Comrade, housing and community.

22:22

Rayon Dhaka, oxygen

22:24

production and recreation of Dhaka is a

22:27

second home in the post exurbs of

22:30

post-Soviet countries. So all those little

22:32

details just built the world out.

22:34

And I had to look stuff up. I

22:36

didn't just know that. I was... So they

22:39

were Soviets. So they had this sort of

22:41

socialist commune, utopia

22:44

plan, and everything is a

22:46

little Soviet. Not everything. That's really

22:48

interesting. I mean, if you just

22:50

like talking about it, how much they packed

22:52

into this. Oh, it's incredible. It's

22:54

quite a feat. And it's still sticking

22:56

with the alien concept. But it's not too

22:59

much. It's a lot, but

23:02

you don't necessarily need all of it.

23:04

Moving on to the other stories real quick. We had a short

23:06

story here from Paul Jenkins. Paul

23:09

Jenkins, I'm going to

23:11

describe his career around here as hit

23:13

or miss. But

23:15

he does have hits. And he's written

23:18

some comics that I very much didn't like. But

23:21

every once in a while, you remember, oh, here's

23:23

this guy's talent. And there's this weird

23:25

little story using

23:27

the metaphor of being a donut. There's

23:30

some settlers on some farm,

23:35

on some planet somewhere. And then they're talking

23:37

about the animals. And I was like, oh, that's not

23:39

good. And at the beginning, a

23:41

lady's like, she's trying to enjoy her food. And

23:44

she's trying to imagine herself in a Zen sense

23:46

as being the donut. I am a donut. And

23:48

it's just this weird little thing at the end.

23:50

And then everybody gets

23:52

killed. And then she finds herself about

23:55

to be eaten. And she realizes, I

23:57

am a donut. End of story. She doesn't

23:59

get eaten. it happen. I'm

24:01

going back to the credits here so I can give credit where

24:03

due actually I could just look at the script that you

24:05

have me because I'm looking at the book. What an idiot. Stephanie

24:07

Williams, an excellent writer

24:09

with art by Jethro Morales.

24:11

Again, this cool, short

24:14

little story about

24:17

military doctrine and

24:20

when the Marines need to

24:22

get something done, space Marines.

24:25

This is not mission objective. What's

24:28

this, five phages? Yeah, it's short.

24:30

Wow, that's efficient. We

24:33

have the situation, we have the

24:35

conflict, and we have the comeuppance

24:37

in five phages. Beautiful

24:40

art, really great. I don't want it

24:42

in everything, but the sort of tree

24:46

of alien impregnated

24:48

humans as they are

24:51

in pain hurts. And then the

24:54

queen comes out and it's like, oh, it's not good. Wow,

24:57

that is an impressive five phages. Great.

25:01

All right, we got two great comics

25:03

so far that we've been through. All right,

25:06

so can we keep this going? I think

25:08

we can. I think with Avengers Twilight Book

25:10

Four, story by Chip Dzarski, art by Daniel

25:12

Okunya and letters by Joey C, we

25:15

finally get to see what what become

25:17

us of Galactophore. And I

25:20

was really excited coming into this issue because

25:23

I thought the ending of issue three with

25:25

the return of Thor was such an exciting

25:27

moment. And I think

25:29

something I appreciate about this issue is that

25:31

I don't think Chip tried to

25:33

reinvent the wheel with his portrayal of Thor

25:35

here. Like I think that most of these

25:38

other versions of the Avengers, they've

25:40

all had, they've all been through some

25:42

some shit and are

25:44

different people because of it. Whereas when this H

25:46

day event that killed all the heroes happened,

25:49

Thor just said, I need a

25:51

break and peace out until basically this moment, but

25:53

hasn't really aged and sort of just says, yeah,

25:55

I'm a mortal. Like not really a lot of

25:58

time has passed for me, but I'm sorry. I

26:00

missed out on helping you all and

26:02

they're all just kind of like you're good buddy back in with you're back

26:04

on the team Let's get it and I

26:06

thought that in reintegration of Thor into the team

26:10

Was handled really nicely. I liked that Tony

26:12

Stark is, you know Oh the awoken jar

26:14

in the head the red skull

26:16

has revealed himself to Tony's kid and

26:20

I wish I Was

26:22

sort of contrasting this book as I was

26:25

reading it with Fables in that like they

26:27

fables really got time to breathe by doing

26:29

a 12 issue arc. Whereas this I Feel

26:32

like we're rushing a little bit headlong into things where

26:34

if we had a full 12 issues I think there'd

26:36

be a little bit more to say about stuff Yeah,

26:41

I think that that's something that Connor would

26:43

say as well I believe

26:46

it's very possible That

26:49

by keeping this moving by keeping this full

26:51

of action again as you go page from

26:53

page other than sort of Then

26:56

an aftermath when people are pretty stable like

26:58

when when things are happening. There's motion all

27:00

over the place and

27:02

action and I kind of

27:05

like it because it assumes that if

27:08

you're reading this, you know these characters and

27:11

you know how they'd react and You

27:13

can have some little character moments here and there but

27:16

for the most part it's the Avengers some

27:18

shit has happened It's the future they

27:21

take Tony and they put him in a robot

27:23

body immediately By the way, I was

27:25

I was so glad that his head woke up in the jar.

27:27

That made me I was that's exactly what

27:30

I wanted It to be, you know, they you

27:32

don't have to think about anything too much They're not

27:34

explaining, you know, like we don't have enough power and

27:36

Thor's like I got you, you know He

27:38

zaps the head Tony wakes up, you know,

27:41

we get the explanation of who the red

27:43

skull is What's a Steve Jarvis,

27:45

whatever his whatever serves his brother. Yeah, I

27:48

was his brother. I forget what it is

27:51

You know, and there's this really cool I

27:54

don't what does he rub on himself? Just

27:56

me. I am so I guess I

27:58

guess it's pain, but it basically he

28:00

smears red on his face and before that

28:03

he looked like Uncle Baby Billy from The

28:05

Righteous Gemstones. But now he's the red skull.

28:07

There's a line in here where he says,

28:09

you're not Tony Stark's son, you're my son.

28:11

And I was like, wait, did he mean

28:13

it real? And I missed something? But I

28:16

think it's symbolic. I think so too.

28:18

I like that James is... Right

28:20

now he feels irredeemable. He's just a piece

28:23

of shit. And

28:25

I think that that's playing with our expectations

28:27

too. He's like, well, he's the son of a hero. He will

28:29

turn into a hero once he finds out the truth. The son of

28:31

two heroes, a heroine. And

28:34

I just like it moves super fast. I thought, again,

28:37

we are blessed, I believe, for Daniel

28:39

Acuna's art in this. Apparently this is

28:42

what he has been working on for

28:44

a long time. And to

28:46

me, it shows. It's all he art.

28:49

He's doing everything you see on

28:51

the page other than the letters. Yeah,

28:53

that's great. I've always thought

28:55

it was funny that Thor's

28:57

Lightning, maybe it's the magical properties of

28:59

it just equates to completely

29:01

compatible power source for whatever needs to be

29:04

powered. I've always thought that was a little

29:06

ridiculous because like, well, my house was struck

29:08

by lightning when I was a teenager. And

29:10

I can tell you it

29:13

did not super boost our

29:15

house to unforeseen power levels that we've ever

29:17

experienced before. It just wrapped a bunch of

29:19

stuff up. It's a great

29:21

device for fiction though. And our

29:24

dog never recovered emotionally. One

29:30

of the things I've never seen in

29:32

a future Marvel story is the

29:34

idea that as Luke Cage's muscles age,

29:37

but his skin remains as

29:39

durable as it always has been that he would

29:42

functionally lose the ability to become a mobile. That

29:44

to me is like such a tragic ending for

29:46

that character for that hero. And I

29:49

never thought about that as a consequence of

29:51

what his powers would eventually become as his

29:53

body aged. Do you know what I mean?

29:56

It's one of my favorites. It's interesting because I was looking

29:59

at him as trying... I was just trying to figure

30:01

out because it almost looks like he's covered in tattoos,

30:03

but that's not it He's no it's almost like scales

30:05

the skin is becoming a bit like me Yeah,

30:07

but like it's craggly, but it's unbreakable. So

30:10

that's kind of interesting. It's lost its Well,

30:12

I wonder I mean It's because like if

30:14

his muscles are smaller than they have been

30:16

in the past and his skin is like

30:19

contracting it It could be sort of

30:21

how like when you have really wet dirt

30:23

and then as the moisture evaporates you get

30:25

these like mud cracks, you know because I I

30:29

don't know. Does that mean that he

30:31

would have to stay jacked his entire life though that doesn't I

30:35

Feel like he was if he was able to rebuild the

30:37

muscle mass I feel like he'd maybe be able to move

30:39

a little bit better, but I don't know is is But

30:42

his only power isn't unbreakable skin because

30:44

he had higher he has Higher

30:47

than normal strength. He has superhuman strength.

30:49

I believe You

30:52

could be wrong about that though What's

30:55

the power? We

30:58

look at the old book. I mean,

31:00

yeah, this book continues to be a delight.

31:02

It's definitely it's got you know It's got

31:04

it's got a lot of the energy and

31:07

feel in it that um Tom

31:10

King's in not injustice, but the

31:13

one that came after it His

31:15

strength is a four on the on the

31:17

scale. Oh, well, that's still a four is

31:20

more than human Like

31:23

What you have Steve Rogers is like a two

31:25

or three or something like that Peter Parker's like

31:27

an six or eight I can't

31:29

believe I remember these I can I know

31:31

but like I can't remember all sorts of

31:33

things like the name of that Tom Tom

31:35

King miniseries But which

31:38

went on for a long time, which I loved but I

31:40

can remember the rankings and be like Oh, you can lift

31:42

the equivalent of eight tons It's

31:45

stuck with me so much. I always remember

31:47

being frustrated that I felt like Hank

31:50

McCoy beast was listed too low on the strength scale like

31:52

he's only like a two or a three and I'm like

31:55

he's beast He

31:58

should be stronger than that I know he's not like spider-man level

32:00

straw, but come on, he's the beast. All

32:02

right, so next up we have

32:05

new Rick Remender with

32:07

Bengal book. Napalm

32:09

Lullaby number one. Rick is in

32:11

one of these ultra

32:14

creative modes. He started his publisher, his imprint with

32:16

Image Giant Generator, and it feels like one book

32:18

after another for a while. Here's my problem right

32:20

now. As I'm starting to talk about it, I

32:22

have to look through it because I don't remember

32:25

what it was. Well, so this was really

32:27

interesting because it started with like... I did not like it,

32:29

but I don't remember what it was. It

32:31

starts with a sort of Superman

32:34

origin story where these

32:37

people are protesting and

32:40

a husband and wife get in their truck

32:42

after a good day's protesting. And then you

32:44

realize that he's not

32:46

super explicit, but he's coding them to be

32:48

some sort of protesters that more progressive people

32:50

might not be in line with in the

32:52

way that we all love the Kent's. There's

32:56

a lot of hateful speech

32:58

on the signs and crosses hanging

33:00

from every mirrors. And then

33:02

like these mecha

33:05

suit people start fighting in front of them

33:07

and their truck crashes, and the

33:10

people in the mecha suits are destroyed by this

33:12

little baby child, and then the parents adopt

33:14

the baby child. So it's like a Superman origin

33:16

story, but with these ultra conservative

33:18

people who believe in this god called Glocor.

33:22

Yeah, it's that little left of center sort

33:24

of difference. It's like, okay, I recognize. Nope.

33:27

Right of the Glocor. It's fascism corner, please. Sorry. You

33:31

know why? Because I started to say left of the dial,

33:33

which is a replacement song. So I had to change the

33:35

words at the last second, which

33:38

doesn't fit. It's a bad metaphor. So what's

33:40

really interesting about that is that just like

33:42

in that first story from Aliens, there's

33:45

a massive time jump, so we

33:47

go 50 years later. And

33:50

then the world that we go in is now

33:52

unrecognizable. So

33:54

the question is like, whoa, how did we get from there to here?

33:57

And there were those mecha suit guys. That

34:00

was something, we don't know what that is. And

34:02

as far as I can tell, we don't,

34:05

do we know, does the

34:07

kid show up again? Unclear

34:09

to me, I mean I kept kind of

34:11

asking myself, like are any of these characters

34:13

supposed to be the kid grown, but I

34:15

don't think so. I don't think so, no.

34:19

So we have no clues to

34:21

sort of how the first part is connected to this,

34:23

but clearly it is, for all sorts of reasons. And

34:27

I really like that, because,

34:30

you know, Remender, not

34:33

a short story guy. If

34:35

anything, he's the opposite of a short story guy as far

34:37

as I can tell. You

34:39

know, he's gonna make, he's gonna trust his readership

34:41

to be like, we'll stick around for a while.

34:43

You know, and so in the case of like

34:46

the Holy Roller, which I don't love,

34:48

but for a little while, I was like, I don't think I'm gonna read

34:50

this. And I get to issue five and I was like, okay, let's

34:53

go with it. Like you, it

34:55

rewards sticking around because

34:57

he's gonna take his time, which, you

34:59

know, as a storyteller, like if you had a movie

35:02

and you were sitting in a theater, you don't leave

35:04

in the first act, but in comics, we have that

35:06

option and many, many, many of us take it. The

35:08

majority do. Yeah,

35:11

I think I liked it. I

35:14

found the two main characters who are on

35:16

the cover and then introduced about a third

35:18

of the way, not even a third of

35:20

the way, close to halfway through the issue.

35:24

I found them to be quite annoying, but

35:29

not so much so that I

35:31

don't, I'm not interested in where the story's gonna go. And

35:34

it seems like, you know, there seems like they

35:36

are two rap scallions who are putting together

35:38

the pieces to either invade or do some

35:40

sort of heist on this like angelic

35:43

mythical God city that I imagine is going to

35:45

be where we will be reintroduced to

35:47

the baby that was rescued at

35:49

the beginning of the issue.

35:52

So as a

35:54

setup issue, and then I read the, I

35:56

did read the essay at the end and, you know,

36:00

Kind of what we were saying, it's about

36:02

like the magnificent dear leader that everyone worships

36:04

as if they were a god on

36:06

earth And like I'm I'm interested in

36:08

Rick's take on that story. I think

36:12

the only thing that that

36:14

kind of like rub me not the

36:16

wrong way, but It's

36:19

just like another take on Superman

36:23

And it looks like it's right. No, but

36:25

at least it's referencing it So so far I we

36:27

don't know yet But I do know that one of

36:29

the most common things and it's led to many excellent

36:31

stories is The you

36:34

know, like what if Superman? You

36:37

know, you can do the glow core that thing

36:39

we all know about And

36:41

you you can you can you know,

36:43

you can you can tell you know Right

36:46

away that the conversation was like yeah But if he really

36:48

landed in Kansas who would be the people who picked him

36:50

up and they're off, you know what I mean? like it's

36:53

it's right there and I mean

36:56

the fact is like it starts off as a

36:58

super obvious premise and then he does

37:00

the time jump and it's like I don't even know what this

37:02

is anymore. Um So

37:05

that's interesting I

37:07

mean sticking with it. Yeah, of course, of course. I'm

37:09

gonna I don't stick with all of

37:11

his stuff I stick with I want to say somewhere between

37:15

two-thirds and Three-quarters

37:17

of Rick's books, right and I think I've

37:19

been more in the 50% realm But

37:22

I'm I'm definitely sticking with this one. I'm very interested

37:24

to see where it goes Let's

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that you

40:17

picked up Dark Spaces Dungeon, and

40:20

the fourth issue is out this week. Sure,

40:22

yeah. What wouldn't a guy love about a

40:24

serial killer kidnapping a kid with the same

40:26

name as his son and threatening

40:28

to torture him for years on end?

40:31

Thanks, Josh, for recommending this book. Dark

40:35

Spaces Dungeon number four. Yeah, I

40:37

love the dungeon,

40:39

like the idea of the dungeon. It's

40:42

really clever, but it's also depressing as –

40:44

It's so scary, and I don't like –

40:46

I mean, it's not new. Like, if you

40:48

listen to this thing, I don't like horror,

40:51

but that is something

40:54

that – like, attractive

40:58

is not the word, but it's just –

41:00

it's really compelling. I was like, God, that's

41:02

just horrible. Well, I think it's the opposite

41:04

of attraction. It's haunting. Yeah, it is, which

41:06

I guess is the point of the thing.

41:09

And as we sort of get

41:11

further into this, I am genuinely

41:15

scared of what

41:17

we're going to find out. Well, and the thing

41:19

that I can't shake is – so it's

41:23

a US Marshal who was the

41:25

prisoner of this killer, this lunatic

41:28

whatever for a bit, and he's working with

41:30

the dad of a kid who's been kidnapped.

41:34

But I can't help

41:36

but keep noticing the things that dad has in common with

41:38

the things about the killer. The

41:40

AI thing in this. Yeah,

41:42

like is that a red herring, or are they just

41:44

trying to set up a way for them to solve

41:46

an unsolvable case? You

41:49

know, obviously we're going to get Dev Patel to

41:51

star, so who do we get to direct? And

41:55

I have no problem with them drawing the Marshal character to

41:57

look like Dev Patel. I think Dev Patel's a great actor.

42:00

but it's a little funny. Yeah,

42:04

I'm very much like I'm

42:06

anxious about this. Because

42:08

as a kid, you know, he's in danger

42:10

and I mean, in the best way, like

42:13

I just, that's a, it's a scary

42:16

book. And it's really, again, I've

42:18

said this before, I think that

42:21

Scott Snyder has

42:23

really managed to apply

42:27

a much more minimalist technique. And

42:30

I think that it really works because he's, you know, he's

42:32

an excellent writer. But you know, he's

42:34

writing novels for a while. And now I think he's

42:36

writing comic books. And I don't know if that's dismissive

42:38

or something, but I've really just enjoyed his all

42:41

the stuff from dark spaces that he's done so far

42:43

has been really interesting. Hey, I gotta thank you for

42:46

introducing me to blue books long ago.

42:48

It was not a book

42:50

that I was looking at you you explained

42:53

it was the story of Christ.

42:55

I don't remember there. Betty and Bernie Hill. Betty

42:57

and Bernie. There you go. And and

42:59

I went back I read all that I

43:01

caught I really enjoyed it. And

43:05

I think it's awesome that James Tinney and has

43:07

this kind of range that he's like, I'm gonna

43:09

do this kind of book, which is kind of

43:11

a historic record.

43:14

Documentaries almost documentary. That's exactly it. And you

43:16

know, so anyone I picked this up, I

43:18

did not know realize it was the same

43:20

book until like, I was reading and I

43:22

go, Oh, it's this book. Call

43:25

blue books that makes sense. And

43:28

this is about the the flying saucer

43:30

phenomenon. I assume it's all true stuff.

43:32

I haven't run it through the fact check. But well,

43:37

true enough. It's you know

43:39

what I mean? Like, like the these are the I assume

43:41

that these are based on the testimony of people based

43:44

on what people said to happen. I mean, that's that's

43:46

to me, right? To me, the original sin of the

43:48

whole flying saucer thing. And for those who don't know,

43:52

you know, my background is in science,

43:54

I partially got into science because I

43:56

was obsessed with things like UFOs and

43:58

Bigfoot and lockers monster because I thought if

44:01

these things are out there as a scientist,

44:03

I would love to find them. And then as I learned

44:05

more about science, I realized like most of that probably wasn't

44:08

true, but that's okay. Cause it still represents

44:10

something interesting. Right. And so the

44:12

thing to me that's super interesting about Kenneth

44:14

Arnold's story and what it

44:17

led to in the popular consciousness is

44:19

Kenneth Arnold was a pilot flying in

44:21

a Washington state. And he saw these

44:23

things that he did not describe as

44:26

saucer shaped. He described them as like

44:28

sort of crescent or boomerang shaped, but

44:30

he said that they, the way that they flew

44:33

was the kind of undulated as if it was

44:35

a saucer skipping across a pond, like, like when

44:37

you're skipping stones and

44:39

newspapers misinterpreted that into the term

44:42

flying saucers, which led to people

44:44

then reporting saucer shaped objects in

44:46

the sky, which to me says,

44:49

Oh, this is, this is more about humans and the

44:51

way we tell stories and the way our culture progresses

44:54

mythologically than it is about a

44:56

real phenomenon. You know, um,

44:58

cause you wouldn't that, cause then

45:00

people start seeing saucer shaped objects, they

45:02

don't start seeing them until the newspapers

45:05

misreport what was seen by Kenneth Arnold.

45:07

So, um, to me, to me, that's

45:09

fascinating. And, um, this is sort

45:11

of following. There's a book

45:13

by Gray Barker in 1956 that I did read back

45:15

in the day. It's been a long time called, they

45:17

knew too much about flying saucers. And it's essentially the

45:19

origin of the men and black mythology. So I think

45:22

that's, we're sort of, yeah, this,

45:24

uh, mini series within the blue book

45:26

series and blue book refers to the,

45:28

um, air forces investigation of all the

45:30

unidentified flying objects from the cold war

45:32

era, because they might've been Russians, that

45:34

was the concern. More

45:37

concerned about that than them being aliens, I'm

45:39

sure. Um, so Gray

45:41

Barker was the guy who first sort of

45:43

introduced the concept of the men and black,

45:45

and that was always really interesting to me

45:47

because even though the, the, maybe the earliest

45:50

origins of men and black incurred, occurred out

45:52

West in Washington and Oregon and Idaho, a

45:54

lot of the men and black stuff happened in West Virginia where

45:56

I grew up. So that's always been really interesting to me.

45:59

And so it's, it's, this. And then Michael A. Van

46:01

Oven on art is always a delight. So to

46:03

me, this has been a fascinating series to see

46:06

James Teeny and the Force interpretation, or at

46:08

least the way he wants to retell and

46:10

sort of recount these events in

46:12

comic book form. And

46:14

it's all stuff that I'm personally skeptical of,

46:17

but still fascinated by and think is really interesting

46:19

and a really interesting part of the American story

46:21

in the post-World War II Cold War era. So

46:24

the thing that I think is interesting about it is

46:26

that like the witnesses

46:29

are very honest.

46:33

Like, like I don't get the sense that not most

46:35

of them, in fact, they even like, they're like, we

46:38

think these people, it's a scam. But

46:40

for most of them, like they believe what

46:42

they saw and not

46:44

in a weird, like lunatic way, not

46:46

like, um, Woody Harrelson in 2012. Um,

46:51

but you know, they, they

46:53

buy it. And so that to me is

46:55

really interesting. I would say, okay, I

46:58

don't believe in pretty

47:00

much anything. I don't believe in ghosts. I,

47:02

you know, I think whatever, but I

47:04

do leave the door open for like, I don't

47:06

know, some, you know, something we don't even understand

47:08

could be happening. You know, it probably could be

47:10

in your bookshelf. That's the guy. He could, just

47:14

the math that was done there, uh, it just,

47:16

that's the most unbelievable part of that. Um,

47:20

changing all of that stuff to binary. It just

47:22

doesn't. Anyway. Um, I love that movie.

47:24

It was one of my favorite movies of all time. I

47:27

could watch interstellar over and over and I have it

47:29

on right now. I

47:31

actually, I am watching it right now. Um, you

47:34

know, but like I, I view my family who believe in

47:36

ghosts. You know what I

47:38

mean? And like, they're not crazy people. I know them, but

47:40

they've had experiences that they believe in. And that

47:43

to me is, is, is a

47:45

really interesting thing. And

47:48

then, and then, and then people point out

47:50

the con, you know, the consistency of the sightings

47:52

and the reliability of the witnesses. And I'm

47:54

like, okay, well that, that means that we're seeing

47:56

something. I don't think this is all made

47:58

up from whole cloth. But the Occam's

48:03

Razor, the simplest barring any extended

48:05

wave, the simplest explanation is also

48:07

the most likely one. This is

48:09

a time when our military

48:11

and many militaries who were antagonistic, that's

48:13

we're testing a bunch of stuff that

48:15

wasn't public. What's

48:18

more likely that what

48:20

we now know that the military

48:22

used to string together weather balloons

48:25

into a sequence of nine-ish or

48:27

so balloons and have them running

48:29

tests along the mountain ranges of

48:33

Western states, and you see nine objects in the

48:35

sky that are behaving in a way you don't

48:37

quite know. And this issue even pointed out that

48:42

everyone always estimates how far away these things

48:44

are, how fast they're moving, but really, if

48:46

you don't have actual site finders

48:49

or laser ranges or things like that, if

48:51

you don't know how far away something is

48:53

from you with a fixed reference point, it's

48:56

really hard to know how big it is, it's really

48:58

hard to know how fast it's moving, it's really hard

49:00

to have that sense of scale and perspective. And

49:02

he put that in there. He did. Like

49:05

he said that. Right. So like, I

49:07

almost, like, I would

49:09

love for you to have him on a talksplode because not

49:12

even to grill him just to be like, I would love

49:14

to know what is your perspective? Are

49:16

you trying to faithfully recount the events? Are

49:18

you pushing, like, do you believe something

49:21

that is maybe a little bit outside the mainstream, and

49:23

this is your way to try to get that story

49:25

out there, which I'm completely sympathetic to. I would not

49:27

be critical of that. To

49:29

me, it's an interesting comic book exercise that

49:31

I haven't really seen before, and

49:34

I'm really enjoying reading his retelling

49:36

of these events as skeptical as

49:38

I am of them. What else is

49:41

really interesting about all this is

49:43

this issue ends with the

49:46

reveal of Roswell. Right? So

49:48

Roswell crash. Roswell crash happened before

49:51

Kenneth Arnold's sighting. I know. So it's

49:53

in comic book terms, Roswell becoming a

49:55

major event in, like, the UFO lore

49:58

of American history is a retcon. It's

50:03

a comic book thing, right? It's a retcon of what that

50:05

story was. So I'm excited to see what James Tinney in

50:07

Forte does with it. And then they have

50:09

these little true weird stories at the end of it. And

50:11

this one was the Monkey Man of Deli. We just

50:13

mentioned Dev Patel in the previous segment. Dev Patel's upcoming

50:15

directorial debut is him playing a character called the Monkey

50:17

Man. I don't know if it's the same character, but

50:19

that's new. I just saw that and

50:22

I was like, why is that familiar? And that's it. There you

50:24

go. Real quick, Black

50:27

Widow and Hawkeye, number one, we said very nice things

50:29

about a five pager that Stephanie Phillips did before.

50:32

And this is Black

50:35

Widow and Hawkeye, as it says, two characters. I was like, yeah,

50:37

I have no idea what they're doing or where they are. This

50:41

was a very well told

50:43

and executed story. However,

50:47

apparently Natasha now has

50:50

a symbiote in her from after when all that

50:52

venom stuff happened. That's a big fat no.

50:55

And Hawkeye is the self-serious

50:59

Ronan Hawkeye. And

51:01

that's also a no. So

51:05

I might read the next one. You

51:10

know, I was kind of like, oh, Stephanie Phillips is doing

51:12

a Hawkeye book. Cool. I haven't seen Hawkeye in a little

51:14

while. And I was like, oh, I don't like any of

51:16

the... She didn't make up any

51:18

of these elements, but they are what they are. And

51:21

I also really liked the art in the little four

51:23

page backup, but I did not like this. I

51:25

did not like the story in the little four page backup.

51:27

No. Let's also make

51:30

sure that ever since Clint has been in the circus

51:32

and Natasha has been wearing the

51:34

black wig and the fishnets that they've had a

51:36

relationship. I'm like, I don't need that. No, you

51:38

didn't need to. It's just like I always... Whenever

51:40

they showed it, I was just like, oh, they

51:42

developed some sort of affinity for each

51:44

other when they were Avengers. Great. That's enough. That's all I

51:47

need to know. It's great. Yeah,

51:50

that was rough. It's rough. It's

51:52

real rough. All right. Well, to

51:54

take a stroll over to the

51:56

Go Go Power Gazebo, it's

51:58

Mighty More From Power Rangers. Return, Chapter

52:00

2, written by Amy Jo Johnson and

52:02

Matt Hotzen. I only bring that up

52:05

because, Josh, I'm sure you know Amy

52:07

Jo Johnson, the original Pink Ranger. So

52:11

this story, I will be brief,

52:13

I promise. Just give me a little bit of runway here,

52:16

Josh. I'm going to take this plane off and we're going

52:18

to all sail away together. The

52:23

first issue of this sort of is

52:25

set about 20 years after the events

52:27

of the original Power Rangers series. So

52:29

unlike the main series that's happening with

52:31

Boom Studios, this is sort of taking

52:33

the original series and ending

52:35

it where it ended on the show and then

52:37

starting it back up 20 years later. All the

52:40

characters are now adults. They're

52:43

dealing with the fallout of the final battle

52:45

between the Rangers and Rita and Zed. The

52:47

Pink Ranger was forced to kill Rita Repulsa

52:49

by shooting her in the back with an

52:51

arrow to save Tommy the Green

52:53

Ranger. We find out that they were married before

52:56

the final events of the book take place and

52:58

there's something about her. It's good, man. Good Power

53:00

Rangers stuff. That

53:14

was the song that every 80s movie person would

53:17

sing if they were in jail. That was like

53:19

a whole thing. Well, I think the thing about

53:21

this that I think is interesting, and this will

53:23

be the last thing I say about it, is

53:26

that two of the Rangers

53:28

in this series are dead. Trini and

53:30

Jason. That actually represents the two actors

53:32

who are also dead. So the fact

53:34

that it's Amy Jo Johnson writing about

53:36

people who are presumably her friends or

53:38

at least her co-stars and

53:41

sort of grappling with what this

53:43

world of the Power Rangers means without them, I actually think

53:45

there's a there there. There's a little bit of emotional resonance

53:47

and that's kind of cool. So I will be sticking with

53:49

this series. I'm enjoying it. And if people have been enjoying

53:52

the main Power Rangers book, this is not

53:54

in that same timeline, but

53:56

I'm still, I still

53:58

think it's quite good. Yeah. Those are

54:00

the books we wanted to talk about, mostly we.

54:04

Every week the patrons get to vote on

54:06

what book it is that we talk about,

54:08

and so they did that. This

54:11

week the patron pick is Helen of Windhorn,

54:13

number one, from Tom King

54:16

and Bilgus Eveli, who

54:18

were on that amazing Supergirl book that is now

54:20

going to be a movie that I

54:23

loved so much. Bilgus

54:25

is out of Dark Horse and

54:27

a whole different kind of story, kind

54:30

of. It shares a lot of elements

54:32

of the other book I found. How

54:34

is it? Let's summarize it. A

54:36

young woman has been living

54:39

on the road with her father, who is a

54:41

pulp writer of some, and

54:43

it's the 30s, it's like the book starts in

54:45

1935, and the father has died. And

54:50

so the book starts in like the 80s or 90s. Right,

54:53

it's a flashback. It's like Titanic.

54:58

Her governess is telling the story of what

55:00

happened. We go back in time

55:02

and then we watch, and we find out that the

55:04

young woman, her father has died, and she was

55:06

very close with her dad, and they were sort

55:08

of living a wild life. She's

55:11

already drinking and partying and smoking and

55:14

kind of uncontrollable. And then we find out that

55:16

her grandfather, her father's

55:18

father, was an

55:20

extremely rich person and he lives

55:23

in a house called Windhorn with

55:25

a Y, Windhorn, because everything

55:28

about this is just a little overblown. And

55:31

he's hired the governess and summoned them

55:33

to come live with him. And

55:37

then, I don't know if it's

55:39

hijinks that ensue. Well, there's a

55:41

monster in the woods and then

55:44

her grandfather is like, Dr.

55:46

Strange meets Conan. Yeah,

55:49

like John Carter of

55:51

Mars or something like that.

55:54

And I think that the somatic element

55:57

that this story shares with the Super

56:00

story is it's about a young pretty woman who just

56:02

really just wants to get drunk just

56:04

wants to have a drink. Yeah

56:06

that's true I was actually just

56:09

thinking about like even the lettering

56:11

the lettering was kind of the

56:13

same. This had some lock and key

56:15

vibes in

56:18

terms of like the big the big old house

56:20

that's full you know a house a house of

56:22

mystery if you will to pull from another comic

56:24

story comic book legacy puddle. Yeah.

56:27

You know there's there's a room full of

56:29

books there's a room full of swords there's

56:31

a room full of wine that the heroine

56:33

takes advantage of the wine first and foremost

56:35

and I imagine we'll eventually learn

56:37

to take advantage of the other rooms as well.

56:42

I thought this was really strong I thought

56:44

this was a really good first issue it

56:46

was meaty a lot

56:48

happened a lot of ground was covered

56:50

a lot of things were set in in place set

56:52

in motion and there was sort of a interesting

56:57

reveal at the end and

57:01

yeah I was

57:03

compelled to do this. I

57:06

remember reading it and thinking about the sort of

57:08

components of it and thinking I really like the

57:11

like I don't like the fact that there's

57:13

like a monster outside and the house is

57:15

creepy but at the end of it I think I

57:17

was like yeah it was really good and

57:20

I did I really enjoyed it I liked

57:22

that you know Tom King

57:24

is is out there

57:26

doing other stuff like he's known for doing the one

57:28

thing you know like he's gonna take a DC character

57:30

and he's gonna do 12 issues with them or whatever

57:32

and then this is just you know

57:35

creating stuff whole cloth not just sort of working with those

57:37

other things and while it

57:39

is a familiar story it doesn't

57:41

seem like a like

57:43

a retread of any kind like it's got it's got

57:47

it's got you know elements that are sort of

57:49

classic and understood whatever but it's you know it's

57:51

a it's a thing I haven't you know it

57:53

was good I love

57:55

heavily zard I think

57:57

that's incredible excellent it is excellent for This

58:00

story you know fits perfectly yeah,

58:02

I mean I kind

58:05

of I don't know what the sakes I don't know I

58:08

don't know what's coming don't know You

58:11

trade the wind horns kitchen for your own

58:13

home kitchen. I Would

58:16

trade pretty yeah, I mean pretty much Well,

58:19

then again, I don't know what their voltage is

58:21

like I imagine it's all

58:23

wood burning Yeah, that's that you know

58:25

what no then then no I've cooked on a wood

58:27

burning stove before it's actually It's quite fun once you

58:30

get it going, but it's a process right well. That's

58:32

that's that's the part I don't I don't believe I

58:34

have an extra two to four hours Sort

58:37

of build stoke a fire and cut down

58:39

woods But

58:42

you know It

58:44

was it was all right. I recommend especially if you

58:46

liked If you'd like

58:48

the Supergirl book Or if anything

58:51

that we just said it's worth your time of

58:53

course because it one thing is it's Tom really

58:55

leaning into the sort Dialogue of

58:57

the sort of uptight Governess

59:00

lady right, but I mean even

59:02

in the final page. There's an interesting moment where the

59:04

governess has been complaining about all of Helen's

59:06

bad habits, but in the final page she pulled

59:09

a cigarette out of a You

59:11

know packet and starts to smoke it with something she

59:13

complained about Helen doing back in

59:15

the day So like that's to me. That's like oh,

59:17

so there's something else Obviously

59:19

there's something else going on, but like oh, there's a

59:22

little more More here's a little

59:24

meat on the bone like see where this goes Yeah,

59:26

no, but I think that yeah I mean those are the things

59:28

everything is gonna have a more dimension than

59:30

it seemed like at first all right so ratings

59:33

ratings ratings ratings

59:37

Go ahead you rate. I

59:39

was thinking about it actually before

59:41

even started recording because I mean I Might

59:45

be all the way to a 4.5 on this I'm

59:50

gonna go for It's

59:53

it's still very early. I thought it was a good

59:55

setup. I am NOT blown

59:57

away in that excited way

1:00:00

You know what I mean? But I am I'm

1:00:02

down and I'm gonna stick with it. I'm

1:00:05

also sticking with it sticking with

1:00:07

it suck There

1:00:09

it is patrons who give at the

1:00:12

$5 higher level Are

1:00:15

entitled to have a patron

1:00:17

power? Which is a totally

1:00:19

made-up thing that we bestow upon them

1:00:21

and you are up to give away

1:00:24

Christopher Duran's secret ability. Wait, it's made.

1:00:26

I thought wait. It's made up. I

1:00:28

thought I mean if you

1:00:31

can if you can prove it real then that's

1:00:33

fine, too Let me get let me get old Christina one

1:00:35

on the phone here and see we can cook up Christopher

1:00:39

Duran has the uncanny amazing not

1:00:41

at all dumb ability To

1:00:43

take any object he throws and it can

1:00:46

it can have the power of a boomerang

1:00:48

it will return to him Anything

1:00:53

it doesn't it doesn't morph in shape

1:00:55

But it takes on the aerodynamic properties

1:00:57

of a boomerang for the time it

1:00:59

is thrown by Chris until it returns

1:01:01

to Chris Okay, so

1:01:03

like a pick up a brick right and just throw

1:01:05

a brick and it's gonna Come

1:01:08

right back and assuming he wants to try to catch

1:01:10

a brick that's flying at that speed with his hand

1:01:12

He can my understanding is that

1:01:14

even Aboriginal people don't typically try to catch the

1:01:16

boomerang You just let it fall near you and

1:01:18

it saves you some time running after it Yeah,

1:01:21

any object that he can throw that's just

1:01:23

a convenience thing, right? But he

1:01:25

can't like he can't like throw a car and have the

1:01:27

car come back to him because he can't physically grow Car

1:01:29

so that's gonna be an object that he can throw But

1:01:33

any object that can be thrown Can

1:01:36

take on the properties of a boomerang and circle back

1:01:38

around to him and once it either once he either

1:01:40

catches it or it Hits the ground near him. It

1:01:42

loses that property until the next time he throws it,

1:01:44

but that's his You

1:01:47

can imbue boomerang in this on all things Well,

1:01:50

all right, then really use for a

1:01:53

TV remote, right? Yeah,

1:01:56

But if again, there's no there's no that we

1:01:58

don't know that he's gonna catch it. So.

1:02:01

You. Know way you could you know

1:02:04

the remote server? fragile. The.

1:02:06

Swamp same ones are. Guess what was the best?

1:02:09

Use the star Why do you have to throw

1:02:11

remote though? Ah

1:02:13

avoid starts I get if you want to miss but

1:02:15

it's not like he's got tell you can he says

1:02:17

can suck it back to his hand lesnar thing. You

1:02:21

just to strike your kids you something other

1:02:23

than watch blu ray see. Wanted to think

1:02:25

the remote is no longer nearby. Oh

1:02:27

man. I don't know about Bluey,

1:02:29

but I know people who have talked about

1:02:31

Bluey. Great thoroughfare when

1:02:34

they said like I was on and I

1:02:36

was with a group of men. And.

1:02:39

Ah, like they couldn't get over how

1:02:41

great it was. Bomb.

1:02:43

Which is fine. Ah see

1:02:45

you wanna city you as you want more one

1:02:48

do a do a male is there a

1:02:50

mile is America that one emails I will let

1:02:52

know I would like you to pick. I

1:02:54

have read them though and I'm using my

1:02:57

a misspelling of Cleveland? well I can we

1:02:59

can. You know if I if I need

1:03:01

to cut the time you spent reading, I

1:03:03

can do so. Let's

1:03:06

hear from Korea from

1:03:08

Cleveland. Corey of Cleveland.

1:03:10

Ah of the Cleveland Coreys? Do you

1:03:13

think that if the big to were

1:03:15

to ever stop putting out the dozens

1:03:17

of variant covers per issue each month

1:03:19

all the artists who almost exclusively only

1:03:21

do covers Russell Doubter and Scotty Young

1:03:23

Gym Chung et cetera. I can think

1:03:26

of many more. Ah and and clearly

1:03:28

make a nice living doing so would

1:03:30

be forced to go back to, would

1:03:32

be forced back to drawing. But let

1:03:34

my bets list of capitalism is going

1:03:36

to pay for itself. Spend your over

1:03:38

there pencil Monkey saw it bums me.

1:03:41

Out that so many great artist don't

1:03:43

do in tears anymore and only work

1:03:45

on covers. I have been thinking about

1:03:47

this question for three weeks in two

1:03:49

days. I appreciate. The. Brevity and

1:03:51

the specificity of that amount of time.

1:03:53

Your thoughts on this? Yeah, I think I.

1:03:56

I think you know more about this than

1:03:58

I do us all. Preface with that. But

1:04:00

my understanding is that if you are an

1:04:02

artist at that level And

1:04:05

you lost the cover money in

1:04:08

terms of continuing to have a revenue stream

1:04:11

commissions art

1:04:14

auctions and frankly like just

1:04:17

Storyboarding for Hollywood films are better bets

1:04:19

than going back to doing the interiors

1:04:21

of comic books. I Would

1:04:24

say there are many many

1:04:27

ways for a

1:04:29

well-known and talented artist To

1:04:33

make a living that don't necessarily involve

1:04:37

The sequential panels.

1:04:40

Yeah, listen I share Your

1:04:47

Regret I guess of Not

1:04:49

getting to see these these

1:04:52

masters of the form these wonderful

1:04:54

artists Work

1:04:56

on the the part of comics

1:04:58

that is What

1:05:01

comics is it what and and you know like

1:05:04

sequential art is the stuff of comic

1:05:06

books using a page that has panels

1:05:08

to show Storytelling

1:05:10

happen in a series of still

1:05:13

pictures and be able to Impart

1:05:16

a sense of motion a pinch a sense of action

1:05:18

be able to tell you what is going on tell

1:05:20

you how people feel You

1:05:22

know keep a story moving It

1:05:25

sucks However,

1:05:29

you know the other side of it is is that

1:05:31

um, I think people need to look

1:05:33

at comics Artists

1:05:37

Sequential artists, you know like drawing pages

1:05:39

Especially like a monthly book has a lot more

1:05:42

like being a pro athlete than you would think

1:05:45

it is It

1:05:47

is arduous It

1:05:50

does take a toll and it's you know, like

1:05:52

you've never read an article that said you should

1:05:54

sit at a desk bench Don't you know bent

1:05:56

over more often maybe for 10 years straight every

1:05:58

day? It's a really hard job

1:06:00

physically. Also,

1:06:03

not even just physically. It's

1:06:05

a demanding mental

1:06:07

task. It's not necessarily

1:06:12

the only way that somebody can apply their art in a valid

1:06:14

way. If I'm

1:06:16

thinking about Adam

1:06:19

Hughes, who hasn't really done many

1:06:21

interiors forever, maybe

1:06:23

that's not his favorite part of it. Maybe that's

1:06:25

not Frank Cho's favorite part of it. He

1:06:27

likes to do pin-ups and there that lends

1:06:29

itself to covers. Then at the same time,

1:06:31

you can make a hell of a living

1:06:33

doing that and still

1:06:36

have a life and still be

1:06:38

able to do well for yourself.

1:06:42

I can't begrudge anybody that. No,

1:06:45

no. It's

1:06:47

interesting that comics has created a marketplace

1:06:49

where when you reach the top of

1:06:52

your game, you price yourself out of

1:06:54

doing the medium anymore and you

1:06:58

enter a tier where your time

1:07:00

and earnings are better spent

1:07:02

doing something adjacent but not

1:07:04

quite the medium itself. I

1:07:08

wonder if it's somewhat of a unique problem

1:07:10

in comics. I can't think of a novelist

1:07:12

who became such a great novelist that now they

1:07:15

can only do screenplays. All they

1:07:17

do is... I'm sure what you just said is

1:07:19

the thing that happens. Actually, Richard Price,

1:07:22

a lot of the staff from The Wire sort of

1:07:24

went into these. Maybe they're still right up to it.

1:07:27

I guess I don't have the intimate

1:07:29

understanding of any other industry as

1:07:32

well. Watch your toes,

1:07:34

Josh. I'm about to drop some names. When

1:07:37

I was at Bill Willingham's

1:07:39

house, pick of the week, author of

1:07:41

Fables, Adam Hughes was in town and

1:07:43

we were all hanging out. Adam Hughes

1:07:46

is a guy who loves stories. He's not a guy

1:07:48

who just wants... I believe he's not

1:07:50

a guy who just wants to draw single images

1:07:52

because he doesn't like telling stories. I think he

1:07:54

does like telling stories. But if

1:07:57

the money can be made as a single...

1:08:00

The comic age takes an entire

1:08:02

day for even a very. Even.

1:08:04

A relatively quick artist to do.

1:08:08

And a cover takes three or four days

1:08:10

but makes five or six have the money

1:08:12

would go, you would obviously make the transition.

1:08:14

And and Josh you and I are are

1:08:16

people who talk at least with each other

1:08:19

about like some of the ways in which.

1:08:22

The way our brains work Be an attention

1:08:24

deficit or whatever. I can't

1:08:26

imagine spending an entire day on a single page.

1:08:28

I'd lose My must say yeah I mean you

1:08:30

have city built for it and some people have

1:08:32

the talent and have ended up and away was

1:08:35

they may want to do. you have for ten

1:08:37

or fifteen years me to like whoop or he

1:08:39

might have heard that undies a mouse I think

1:08:41

I'm. That. You

1:08:43

know it. It's aura. It's it's it's it's easy for

1:08:45

us. It's look at it and think a man is.

1:08:47

it's their waste in their talent there. you know, whatever

1:08:50

it is, you know, But the his sister's different ways

1:08:52

to apply in really is all about like you get.

1:08:55

Into art. He. To

1:08:57

please other people you know you like, you

1:08:59

do the thing you're trying to follow your

1:09:01

muse or whatever. and I mean your gear

1:09:03

ratio was an off their by the way

1:09:05

you know cover. Let's. Say

1:09:08

two thousand dollars? Page.

1:09:11

You. Know depending on who you are. Three.

1:09:14

Hundred dollars. Maybe Five hundred if you're

1:09:16

huge I mean, like at that up.

1:09:19

You. Know and and it in it and it is

1:09:21

easier to. I can say it's easier, but it's probably

1:09:23

less time consuming. You. Know

1:09:25

to draw a single panel single big panel than

1:09:27

a bunch a small ones where you are worrying.

1:09:30

And thing about the. Mechanics.

1:09:32

And how it works and if it reads directly

1:09:34

in, left to right and so on and so

1:09:36

forth. like is lot to it as I think

1:09:38

a really good example of this is here comes

1:09:40

the name or if you'd mentioned Scotty Young in

1:09:42

there and Scott Young is actually pretty unique in

1:09:44

this way is that. He did

1:09:46

stop doing i'm sequential For the most part I'm

1:09:48

seen him do him and quite a while. And

1:09:51

on I don't know for in he's got kids

1:09:53

his sons but same age as mine. A

1:09:56

kind of coincided with his family. or

1:09:58

that he stopped doing here But no

1:10:02

shortage of art coming out of that guy in terms of

1:10:04

the covers that he's doing, and then creating

1:10:07

many comic book series. He never stopped

1:10:09

creating. He just stopped creating in that

1:10:11

one way. In many

1:10:13

ways, he's almost like he's more

1:10:16

creative here because he's not as

1:10:18

a draw each page. He's

1:10:21

thinking the thing up and writing it and finding wonderful

1:10:24

artists to do his stuff that

1:10:26

are perfect for it. He's living

1:10:28

the life. He made it work

1:10:30

that way. That's what people do.

1:10:33

It's up to them. It's totally a bummer. But

1:10:36

people age on of it. Sometimes, can't

1:10:38

keep up. I think of... Well,

1:10:41

can't keep up or the

1:10:44

production schedule of the monthly comic because

1:10:47

we've also seen people transition to like,

1:10:49

I'm going to do graphic novels. I'm going to

1:10:51

do things that aren't on that production schedule. Yeah.

1:10:54

And that's the thing. When I

1:10:56

say can't, I don't necessarily just mean physically. There's

1:10:59

all sorts of reasons why you just knock on

1:11:01

a can. Whatever. I think

1:11:03

of Mitch Garrett's a lot because if

1:11:05

you follow Mitch's Instagram, he does interiors

1:11:07

and sequential arts. He doesn't do a

1:11:10

monthly book so much anymore. If

1:11:13

you're lucky enough, he gets a thing where you get to stop

1:11:15

and have time and work on your thing and your page

1:11:17

or it makes sense to that. But he puts up a

1:11:19

picture of himself at the chiropractor every week. It

1:11:24

takes a toll. It is arduous

1:11:27

and you can do whatever you want. You'll

1:11:29

see God... They have the thing on their

1:11:31

wrist, the brace and... For the

1:11:33

carpal tunnel. Carpal tunnel. Jamie

1:11:36

McKelvey had problems with

1:11:39

carpal tunnel and his drawing hand and RSI.

1:11:42

It's a hard life. Is

1:11:44

that repetitive stress injury? Honestly asking, I'm not sure.

1:11:46

Yeah, I think so. Yes,

1:11:48

repetitive stress injury. I

1:11:51

can't use a mouse anymore. That's true, by the way. I

1:11:53

cannot use a regular mouse. I killed it. All

1:11:56

sorts of reasons that can happen

1:11:59

and it sucks. But I don't think

1:12:01

anyone's getting forced to go back. You know, there's

1:12:03

too many options, especially if you're if

1:12:05

you're somebody if you made You

1:12:07

know you made your bones, but you know like

1:12:09

Gabriel Hardman You

1:12:11

can do storyboards for movies. He gets

1:12:13

to do that. It's a much less

1:12:15

sort of Time intensive

1:12:18

thing or at least it isn't every day

1:12:22

You know, that's why Jack Kirby's a legend But

1:12:25

also think that you know We talked about Christopher Nolan earlier

1:12:28

like Christopher Nolan has sort of developed this interesting model of

1:12:30

like one for me one for them Like I'll do it

1:12:32

I'll do a big studio movie or at least Before

1:12:34

he was enough of an author that he could

1:12:37

just do whatever he wanted He would do like I'm gonna do a

1:12:39

Batman movie that I'm gonna do in a star I'll do a Batman

1:12:41

movie that I'm gonna do an inception, you know and

1:12:43

that clearly was able to fuel his

1:12:47

Commercial work while he was invested in

1:12:49

it and cared about it Gave

1:12:52

him enough cache gave him enough runway given a

1:12:55

freedom to also pursue the story if he wanted

1:12:57

to tell and I think Comics

1:13:00

might be because of the way they're produced

1:13:03

It might be just a little bit too much of

1:13:05

a grind for that model to ever take hold Oh

1:13:07

unless you're already so established and great that you can

1:13:09

get away with it or take and

1:13:11

some people can years to produce something but

1:13:14

you will you will not see this there's

1:13:16

more examples of You

1:13:19

know folks reaching a certain echelon and then

1:13:21

they go okay, I get to do my

1:13:23

stuff now nobody I mean John

1:13:26

Rameeta jr. Maybe is an exception to that

1:13:28

rule, you know or Mark Magli or something,

1:13:31

you know, they they go Oh, I can work on my thing.

1:13:33

I can take my time with it. I can live a life.

1:13:35

I can do a normal thing You

1:13:38

know, there's just so much more involved to it than

1:13:40

like boys you got to draw that what is he

1:13:42

draw this and I'm Not I'm not bitching you Corey.

1:13:44

I think it's a

1:13:47

really interesting question and to the

1:13:50

final thing I want to say about this it's a circle back on

1:13:52

a point you made about like What

1:13:54

the amount of content content, you know

1:13:56

that that did you watch bone

1:13:58

butter burn them inside Josh? No The special

1:14:01

he made during the pandemic. He has a

1:14:03

song he sings called like, Look, I made

1:14:05

you some content. Yeah. Which

1:14:08

you and I are doing that moment. In

1:14:13

terms of the content production, a

1:14:15

writer is always going to be able to

1:14:17

outpace the artist because and I

1:14:19

think this is Warren Ellis and Brian

1:14:21

Hitch during Authority. The example

1:14:23

is the script

1:14:26

page said the fleets collide.

1:14:28

Right. And it's this mammoth

1:14:31

two page peak Brian

1:14:33

Hitch artistry

1:14:35

example of these two massive

1:14:37

armies in a full out battle.

1:14:40

And it's more than else wrote three words to make

1:14:43

it happen. Right. So

1:14:45

like there's there's always going to be

1:14:47

that discrepancy. And so and

1:14:49

and and and there's there's

1:14:51

still this kind of push and pull of like,

1:14:53

how do you acknowledge the artist as the storyteller

1:14:55

at the same caliber, at the same level as

1:14:57

the writer? And as long as there's

1:14:59

a discrepancy there, it's

1:15:02

no shock that writers or that

1:15:04

artists will tend to transition towards wanting

1:15:06

to write more as their time

1:15:09

becomes more precious and their storytelling skills get

1:15:12

better and they have other stories they want

1:15:14

to tell. They don't physically have the time

1:15:16

to put pen to paper to make happen.

1:15:19

Or maybe they just get into fishing. That

1:15:21

is enough of that question. You

1:15:24

make me go on and on. And

1:15:26

I enjoy the conversation. I think this is this

1:15:28

is far too long. I make you go on.

1:15:30

I think. No, I mean, like we have conversations

1:15:32

when we talk, it tends to go longer. I

1:15:35

did. You know, that's probably a good thing in

1:15:37

real life. I'm editing it. It's OK. Broadcasting. I'll

1:15:39

get it. So

1:15:44

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1:16:02

past week you will have seen or heard

1:16:05

the media explode that came out. We talked

1:16:07

about the Oscars. Ron

1:16:09

talks about music festivals. I helped him a little bit.

1:16:12

And the what should we watch next

1:16:14

challenge which is kind of interesting is

1:16:16

that we all

1:16:19

went through shows that we sort of have on

1:16:21

the to watch list and there's I don't know

1:16:23

if you've heard me say there's too many goddamn

1:16:25

TV shows and so the others voted and they

1:16:27

said they gave us our assignments for what shows

1:16:29

we watch and we will watch at least two

1:16:31

episodes before the next up this for the next

1:16:34

media explode and we'll check in. So that

1:16:37

was fun. Week after that you

1:16:41

are well the week after not

1:16:43

this week coming up the one after Talksplode.

1:16:46

It happened. It's real. I spoke

1:16:48

with Rob Williams he of

1:16:50

Judge Dredd for

1:16:53

20 years of Dredd and Dredd related stuff

1:16:55

at the same time as a bunch of

1:16:57

sort of mainstream American comics and

1:16:59

the wonderful Petrelhead and some really other

1:17:01

great series that we've read over the

1:17:03

years absolutely loved. Talked with Rob

1:17:06

for a while a lovely Welsh chap.

1:17:09

I can't wait yeah yeah I can't wait to share that

1:17:11

with you. In two weeks

1:17:13

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1:17:16

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were men and they came to the house. They

1:18:15

were in black, but they were like Hawaiian

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shirts with a sort of black theme. Oh,

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on the show. And

1:18:26

that's enough for you to know. He saw something

1:18:28

he shouldn't have seen. They looked at me with purpose. Oh,

1:18:31

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1:18:33

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then this, we post this show every

1:19:09

week. It's just audio with a still.

1:19:11

So it's not video of us doing

1:19:13

it because I don't wanna deal with

1:19:16

lighting on a weekly basis. That's basically

1:19:18

where I'm getting, or to fix my

1:19:21

face, you know, because I have, I

1:19:24

wear makeup. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I

1:19:26

just don't, because I wouldn't wanna

1:19:29

deal with it. It's just too much.

1:19:31

And that's why there's not a video show. You

1:19:34

can consider writing a review, leaving

1:19:36

a star rating, leaving a like button, all those

1:19:38

things that you can do to content that you

1:19:40

like. Just call it content. Without irony,

1:19:42

I called it content. What

1:19:45

do you want? It's where we're

1:19:48

living. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Audible. There's

1:19:51

podcasts on Audible. There's podcasts all over the place,

1:19:54

many places, wherever you listen to them. By

1:19:56

the way, you mentioned wherever podcasts are sold. If

1:19:59

you find someone. selling our podcast, let us know

1:20:01

because that is not okay. Black

1:20:05

market. Yeah. It's

1:20:08

a terrible business model. I

1:20:10

got to pay for that. I can get it free

1:20:12

literally everywhere. Uh, thanks

1:20:15

for listening. I'm Ryan. I got

1:20:17

just a little bit of concealer on and, uh,

1:20:21

and just, you know, did do, we

1:20:23

did do some makeup. I

1:20:26

don't think we kept it up, but in the early days of

1:20:28

the podcast, we did. Yeah.

1:20:30

I mean, I used to, I used to act in shows

1:20:33

a lot growing up and so I've worn makeup plenty of

1:20:35

times. It's

1:20:37

just, it's a part of that process. Nothing

1:20:39

to be ashamed of. It's

1:20:41

uncomfortable. I'm still Ryan, whether I'm wearing

1:20:43

makeup or not. I'm Ryan. That's

1:20:45

true. You just show up on camera slightly.

1:20:48

After I say I'm Ryan is, I'm

1:20:51

Josh. There we go. We got you there. Oh.