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Unavened Earths Part 1. Hello

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of my Same with Special Edition Justice League

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Crisis Affairs Part One: My name is Conoco

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Patrick and I'm here The Elements Branch respond

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montgomery. Hello and ran out

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slow and we are here to

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review Just Sleep President First Part

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One: The latest film from the

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Dc Universe. Emily Original Some Line

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Paul if you believe it is

2:37

the Eleven says these. This. Is

2:39

number we have done eleven. Eleven.

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Eleven. At least at

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least eleven. Yes, I don't know. Hits like

2:47

me be the sixty third? I don't know.

2:49

This. Is the seventh in the Tomorrow

2:51

Verse lions more important as part

2:53

of the continuity of that started

2:55

with Superman's A Man of Tomorrow

2:57

Back and Twenty Twenty Lot Of

2:59

Cells Widow for seventeen years. So

3:01

spoilers for the some. There's.

3:04

A lot to talk us I you wanna jump right

3:06

in but you know normally when we do these reviews

3:08

we do the film a movie is there a special

3:10

edition pieces were talking about I used to at the

3:12

i actually want a slip it and start with

3:14

does because it's somewhat important to look at the film

3:17

as a whole by looking at the special and documented

3:19

we had on their their Saturday in a while or

3:21

least any that these he always had like a feature

3:23

at about the making of the film and then a

3:26

feature about the next. Some damn the next some features

3:28

and a long time I think those are done but

3:30

there to documentaries one is about said the making of

3:32

the film the Flash as a character. Mad

3:34

Bomber Crisis Nurse. But. In

3:37

the other one was about. Sort.

3:39

Of the planning for this film. Which.

3:41

I found really interesting convince herself.

3:44

I don't. Really pay attention to the

3:46

news anymore as much as I can. I

3:48

don't know what's going on very far out.

3:50

I try to take these things as they

3:53

come out as a normal non lunatic person

3:55

was watching. It's. Suffer.

3:57

saw a somehow mrs offices at one of

3:59

three I thought this was a two-parter. This

4:01

is a three-parter. Yeah, I missed that. So

4:04

this is act one, basically. But like

4:06

weirdly, this also isn't even kind of like

4:08

part one because this directly involves stuff from

4:10

Warworld, which was the previous one. Well, so

4:12

here so that's part of the documentary. So

4:15

basically, okay, if you believe what they

4:17

said a documentary and it seems to be true, the

4:19

entire Tomorrowverse was planned from the beginning in terms

4:21

of they knew all the films they're gonna make,

4:23

they knew it was all gonna wrap up with

4:25

Christ the Infinite Earths, and so the entire storyline

4:27

has been seeded through the films. So if you

4:29

think back, Batman the Long Halloween ended

4:32

with Flash and Green Arrow showing up at

4:34

Bruce's door. Oh, yeah. Which is

4:36

a scene in this film. Justice Society World

4:38

War II introduced the concept of the multiverse.

4:41

Right. So this is the second film in the line. And those

4:43

characters all show up here. Supergirl got sent off in Legion.

4:45

That sort of sets her up as a character. And then

4:48

Warworld ends with that scene where everyone thinks

4:50

Batman Superman and Wonder Woman have been killed,

4:52

but actually they've been zapped by Harbinger to

4:55

the satellite. So from the very beginning, they've

4:57

been seeding either characters and

4:59

or story beats through all these films.

5:01

And the really interesting thing that they

5:03

said was, they don't have the exact quote, but it

5:05

was basically summed up as, we

5:08

knew it was all gonna end with Christ the Infinite Earths.

5:11

So I think for

5:13

sure the Tomorrowverse is over after these three films.

5:16

But is it all over

5:18

as a question? And look, we've been making

5:20

this joke for 17 years. How much longer

5:22

can these go on? And apparently 17 years was the answer.

5:25

But this is DC's biggest story they've

5:28

ever done in comics in terms

5:30

of superhero stories. And they're doing it in three parts.

5:32

And they're also adapting Watchmen, which is like the

5:35

biggest story DC's ever done in any form.

5:37

Is this how they're wrapping up the entire

5:39

line of films with their two biggest stories

5:42

over four films? And is that

5:44

how it's gonna all end? That's my concern at this point.

5:46

I haven't done Back Girl Year One yet. Actually

5:51

they had it nearly done, Paul, but they

5:53

ended up deciding to shelve it for insurance

5:55

purposes. So it's gonna be interesting. I don't

5:57

have any insights of this other than the

5:59

gut. feeling and the way they were talking. They were

6:01

talking in the documentary definitely that this is an ending, this

6:04

storyline. And whether or not it's just

6:06

an ending for the tomorrow verse, which I think it definitely is

6:09

because that's how crisis works, right? It sort of combines

6:11

all the different multiverses into

6:13

one new thing. They definitely said

6:15

they had a tomorrow verse arc

6:18

for Star of Superman to ending with crisis. So I think

6:20

this is the end of the tomorrow verse. But the

6:23

question is, in this new media world, in

6:26

this new Warner Brothers world, is this

6:28

the end of these films? We'll find

6:30

out. But part

6:32

of me thinks it might be.

6:34

This is cynical for me is

6:36

if I'm writing for or planning

6:38

anything for DC stuff for any

6:40

Warner Brothers thing, certainly animation, I'm

6:43

not planning too far ahead. Or

6:45

like, I'm not like, I'm not putting, I'm not

6:48

counting my chickens, you know, like, absolutely.

6:50

Then on the other hand, when

6:53

I think about crisis on infinite Earth, I think

6:55

of that, not as an

6:57

ending, but as a beginning for sure.

6:59

But it's also odd that

7:02

it's, do we say this

7:04

is the seventh in the tomorrow verse? Right.

7:06

So it'd be 789. Usually you use a

7:09

crisis to clean things up. And like

7:11

they just started this. This is Yeah,

7:13

this universe is only three years old. Also quick.

7:15

Yeah, so it's interesting. I was just trying to

7:18

sort of gain insight from the way they talked.

7:20

And I might watch it again to see. But

7:23

I definitely got the sense that a this is the end of

7:25

the tomorrow version. B, it could even be

7:27

the end of this line of films entirely. But we'll find out.

7:29

Well, we don't know. We've been saying that for 17 years. You

7:33

know, things are changing rapidly in the world of media. And

7:35

so you never know. Let's get into the film itself, though.

7:37

So this is an adaptation of crisis

7:40

on infinite Earth. Of course, the famous

7:42

DC Comics storyline from 1985 86.

7:44

The purpose of that 12 issue storyline was to take a convoluted

7:47

multiverse continuity, smush it all

7:49

together, create one universe,

7:52

one continuity, have DC go from there,

7:54

of course, that lasted

7:56

however long until they added the multiverse

7:58

back in because everything is old is

8:00

new. again in comics. It was a

8:02

Marvel Wolfman George Perez, Jerry Ordway situation.

8:04

Jerry Ordway did the inks. It featured

8:06

many important story beats from DC's history,

8:08

including the death of Barry Allen and

8:10

the death of Supergirl. And several legacy

8:12

heroes were introduced, not just Wally West

8:14

Flash, but also a younger female Wildcat.

8:16

It featured the end of the Earth

8:18

1, Earth 2, et cetera, situation and

8:20

put the Justice Society into the regular

8:22

continuity in World War II. It did

8:24

a lot of things and it did

8:26

them very well, in my opinion. It's

8:28

a seminal DC story. It's one of my

8:31

favorite comic stories of all time. And so

8:33

we saw the CW shows do a crisis crossover,

8:35

which was a lot of fun. You just mostly

8:37

just see a lot of different actors playing

8:39

the roles again, but ultimately constrained by the medium

8:41

and the budgets and the stories they had been telling

8:43

in those series. At first when they announced this, I

8:45

was a little bit bummed because I thought, well, they're

8:47

not just going to do a straight up adaptation. Of

8:49

course they're not. They're going to do it in this

8:51

world they've created, which is what they're doing. And so

8:53

I went into this a little

8:55

bit, not cynical, but just like, all right, well, let's just

8:58

see what they do. I would have been really excited if

9:00

they said this is a straight up adaptation, but it wasn't.

9:02

That's just fine. I understand. So this is

9:04

a feature length film, 90 in 3 minutes,

9:06

written by James Krieg, who's done a lot

9:08

of these films lately, directed by Jeff Wamster,

9:11

who's directed a lot of the Tamara Wurst films.

9:13

It seems like they've had a very tight creative

9:15

team throughout this particular era of films, which would

9:18

make sense that they're all going to be connected

9:20

in a way. Yeah. He goes back

9:22

to Justice Society World War II, so 2021.

9:26

He was an artist designer on a lot of films before

9:28

that too. Yes. Yeah. He's

9:30

on a team for a while. Worked on

9:32

Guardians of the Galaxy, the animated show before

9:34

that. Yeah. Yeah. All the voice talent that's

9:36

been around for these films, Darren

9:39

Criss, a Superman, Alexander the Diary

9:41

of Lois Lane, Jensen Ackles as Batman, but

9:43

the star of the show is Matt Bomer.

9:45

This is a Flash story, even

9:47

though the comic itself wasn't a

9:49

Flash story, even though the

9:51

Flash is the element most remembered from it.

9:54

It was a true ensemble piece. It wasn't

9:56

a Flash-centric story, but since the Flash is

9:58

what's remembered, and since there movie

10:00

last year. This is a flash starring

10:02

vehicle. So let's just jump in. I

10:04

said this before, my Blu-ray player doesn't tell me

10:07

how far along in the timeline I am, so

10:09

it's hard for me to gauge what percentage of

10:11

the film is what. That's kind of what

10:13

the problem Barry was having in the movie. Right.

10:16

I would say the first 45 minutes,

10:21

I was like, this is super fun. Nothing to

10:23

do with Crisis of the Different Earths though. And

10:25

then it switches over and becomes very much about

10:28

Crisis of the Infinite Earths and I had a

10:30

lot of fun watching it. I thought this was really fun. I thought this

10:32

was super fun. I had a really good time watching it. I watched it

10:34

twice. Yeah, this was kind of an interesting

10:36

one for me to watch because this is the first time

10:38

that Cal really showed an interest and wanted to watch with

10:40

me. And so I texted you both a photo of him

10:42

sort of us lying on the couch together this weekend with

10:44

his head on my chest where you're watching. And he's

10:47

at that age, he's two and a half where he

10:49

kind of recognizes the characters now. So that was really

10:51

fun, but you can't really follow the plot. And this

10:53

is a 13 movie. So there

10:56

were parts where it got a little

10:58

violent and he would say, that's too scary for me.

11:00

And so there were a lot of pauses and I

11:02

got interrupted a lot, but it was really fun for

11:04

him to be like, Oh, it's Batman. What's Batman going

11:06

to do? Batman is going to save the day. On

11:10

that level, it was a really fun experience for

11:13

me, even though it maybe made my ability to

11:15

follow everything that was happening in the movie a

11:17

little hampered, but worthwhile hampering. It was quite nice

11:19

to get to watch one of these movies with

11:21

my kid, even if it's not the most suitable

11:23

ones for him. It's kind of

11:25

cerebral. You know,

11:27

I mean, it's it's multiverse stuff, which I mean, kids growing

11:30

up now are inundated with multiverse stuff. So

11:32

it's almost weird if they're introduced

11:34

to media that doesn't have like alternate realities

11:37

and everything. It's so ubiquitous. Oh,

11:40

I mean, he already watches. I

11:42

mean, there are clips from the Spiderverse

11:44

movies that he'll watch and enjoy. So

11:46

he literally is already watching multiverse movies.

11:48

You know, that's a very good way

11:50

to get introduced to that stuff. They

11:52

do it very well. Yeah, I was

11:54

the intensity of this movie. It's deadly

11:56

serious about, you know, these waves coming

11:58

to, you know, crush the very various earths

12:00

and the idea of, okay, we're going to

12:03

have like a think tank and

12:06

the best from all the different worlds

12:08

to come and figure out how to solve

12:10

this problem. And interesting

12:12

stretches of this movie where I respected

12:14

the restraint that they had. There's not

12:16

banter. It's like silent. It's like when

12:18

they're building the towers and going through

12:22

those things. Like there are moments where they

12:24

could be quipping and they're just not. So

12:26

they're taking it very seriously. I

12:29

thought that the writing level was really high. I thought

12:31

the animation level was higher, a little higher than normal.

12:33

I thought there was some really nice action bits. There

12:35

was one bit where in the film

12:37

Bruce has to save so many jumps and

12:40

lands and sort of flips them onto his

12:42

back. I thought the choreography of that was

12:44

really good. Yeah, it was a cool like

12:46

acrobatic fireman carry. I caught that too. I

12:49

thought the care put into this was really high, which

12:51

is again why I'm suspicious of it being the end.

12:53

But you guys will like this. On my second viewing,

12:55

I brought a piece of paper with me and I

12:57

tried to keep track of the beats. And

13:01

it very quickly devolved into madness. I really like

13:03

this, but there's definitely some things that are a

13:05

little head scratchy. I thought the, and this

13:08

all makes sense later. I understand this is part

13:10

one of three. This is essentially the first act

13:12

of the story, but I thought jumping around with

13:14

Barry was a little confusing. I don't

13:16

yet know. It's early the story. It's like

13:18

a four and a half hour story early and I don't have

13:20

into it, but I don't yet know what some

13:22

of these things mean or why some of these

13:25

things are happening. So I'm not knocking for that,

13:27

but I didn't quite understand how Barry's time jumping

13:29

was working. Yeah. Cause it looks like he starts

13:31

actively running to get to the different places, but

13:33

then he doesn't seem to be aware that the

13:36

jump has happened. So they're kind of trying to

13:38

do like a Billy Pilgrim unstuck in time slaughterhouse

13:40

five thing, but through the veil of flashes. I

13:42

didn't seem to leave cause I used to be

13:44

like, Oh, he shows up. Yeah. You had

13:46

a time jump again. It's like, well, did he

13:49

leave? I guess it's like a visualization of like

13:51

his consciousness change. Not just mind or like his

13:53

awareness, maybe as a better word for it. It

13:55

wasn't terrible. Just, I just felt myself trying to

13:57

figure it out. Like why is it like It

14:00

makes sense for it to be disorienting

14:02

for the viewer because it's disorienting for

14:05

him But yeah I felt that as

14:07

well as like is he actually Making

14:09

a choice to get up and travel to places because

14:11

it feels like okay. I'm done with these events here

14:13

Let me go see what was going on in reverse

14:16

or forward and he has one of

14:18

those things Right after the monitor is

14:20

talking about they're not able. Yeah, okay.

14:23

It's just me Okay, so there's a

14:25

part where they were talking about Oh,

14:27

we'll bring some more people from the

14:29

Legion of superheroes back from the future

14:31

to now to the present to help with

14:34

this problem And the monitors like yeah No

14:36

We can't do that because we're in this

14:38

I don't know this node or something where

14:40

you can't do time travel or dimensional travel

14:42

And then Barry just leaves It

14:47

could also mean that his his connection is stronger

14:49

than whatever else anyone else has right? So like

14:51

maybe the monitor can't do it but that but

14:53

the speed force can but I don't know if

14:55

it's like You want to take the

14:57

time to just be like but I thought he just said I

15:01

definitely saw that too. So let me just

15:03

read you this crazy list Of

15:07

what happened in this movie in case someone's listening

15:09

to this who hasn't seen the film So we

15:11

have him with the flash Barry Allen. We open

15:13

with him time hopping some of these things I

15:15

don't remember so so then from the time hopping

15:17

week he meets Iris for the first time but

15:19

he's already met her It's time hopping. So then

15:21

he goes to a fight with a mezzo with

15:23

Superman green arrow and There's

15:26

a superman's Batman's house to heal him from the

15:28

fight with a mezzo because he got really fucked

15:30

up And that was a flashback to the other

15:33

film to the long Halloween film, right? And then

15:35

through that they decide there are some threats

15:37

bigger than us Let's form the Justice League

15:40

and that's when they add John Jones. They had Dixon They

15:42

get turned down by how Jordan which I thought Paul would

15:44

probably enjoy that Mm-hmm

15:47

and then at the press conference to well

15:50

first Sorry first he time jumps to earth

15:52

3 where the crime syndicate is in charge

15:55

and it's very confusing and has a whole adventure there Any

15:57

time comes back to the press conference announcement Justice

15:59

League? and they ended up fighting Amazo again,

16:02

who's controlled by Lex Luthor. And then,

16:04

I have an arrow over to Earth-3,

16:06

so I guess he goes back to Earth-3 again. The

16:09

second Amazo fight with the Lex Luthor robot and Zachary

16:11

Quinto was when Cal was out. That was when it

16:13

got too scary. Yeah. I sure did. It was too

16:15

scary for me. I think he comes back to Earth-3

16:17

in that fight, and then at the end of that,

16:19

the Justice League was really forming, because forming was just

16:21

a ruse to call out Lex Luthor. That was, I

16:23

thought, unnecessary bit. And then we

16:26

learned Amazo's origin in the... Was

16:28

that in the future, or was it the present? It was another

16:30

time jump. We figured out that Ivo

16:32

made Amazo, and how Lex Luthor corrupted

16:34

him, etc., etc. And then we jump

16:36

into the future, find Old Barry and

16:38

Old Iris, who are up to something.

16:41

Old Barry's costume is way too big now. He

16:44

still looks damn good in it. The way his costume

16:46

works in the comics, that shouldn't happen. Yeah, it shouldn't

16:48

happen at all. It should stretch to fit his body.

16:50

And then he time jumps to his wedding day, where

16:53

he knows it's all gonna go sideways,

16:55

Harbinger shows up, takes

16:57

Barry and Jon Stewart and Vixit

16:59

and Green Arrow to the satellite,

17:01

where she's already rescued from

17:04

Warworld, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

17:07

And that's when the heroes all gather in the satellite.

17:09

And I will say this, sparse.

17:12

It's a sparse gathering of heroes. They

17:14

should have perhaps designed a smaller satellite in

17:17

the comic itself, which I leafed through after the movie, because

17:19

I haven't read it in so long. There's an

17:22

awesome double page spread that Perez did. All right,

17:24

it's Perez that says spread and butter is like

17:26

this huge crowd scene. There's so many heroes that

17:28

can't even move. And this one is like, they're

17:30

all on COVID protocols. They're all about six feet

17:32

apart. They're all

17:34

by themselves. I do

17:37

want to get back to that in a minute. Then

17:39

Earth-3 is destroyed by the antimatter wave, which

17:41

is a whole long sequence. Rebar. The

17:44

heroes then work together. Yeah, did you note the

17:46

rebar, Connor? Well, there's a

17:49

lot happening. You blanked it out. Then

17:51

the heroes work together to build some towers. That was

17:53

not in the comic. I did understand how those were

17:55

going to work. Put towers on all the

17:57

different Earths. That would somehow stop the antimatter wave. Like

18:00

a betronome or a tuning fork. Yeah, well they're

18:02

a tuning fork, so if one is, if they

18:04

can get one with enough energy in it so

18:06

that it vibrates at the frequency, it will prompt

18:09

all the others to vibrate. Which is a neat

18:11

idea. I don't know. It sounds cool. Yeah, I

18:13

agree, actually. And then in the future, future old

18:15

Flash and Amazos, Severed Head are working together on

18:17

a cosmic treadmill for some reason we don't know

18:20

yet. I like that stuff. No, I'm not that

18:22

things bad. These are the notes I was trying

18:24

to take feverishly. I thought Old Barry

18:26

and Olairus and Amazos Head were trying to

18:28

finish one of the towers. Yes. So

18:31

that's what's going on. I was having a hard time

18:33

with the towers. Okay, so they don't have enough time

18:35

to finish the tower. The wave.

18:37

And so they take the tower to the

18:39

future or they continue working on the tower

18:41

into the future? Those aren't clear

18:43

to me. It's a cool idea and it's

18:46

him and Iris and they grow

18:48

old together and have this project

18:50

that they work on. They did say

18:52

the documentary they wanted. So

18:54

I think this implies Flash is going to die. Obviously,

18:56

it's the Cressida and Amairus, but they wanted to give

18:58

Barry his happy ending and have him have a life

19:00

with Iris and I guess still die as

19:03

an old man, which is basically what they did in the CW

19:05

version. So it's kind of a cop-out because

19:07

the tragedy is he dies. So it's like, well,

19:09

we'll let him live his whole life and then

19:11

die as a very old man. It's not quite

19:13

as tragic as him sacrificing himself. I mean, unless

19:15

this was Inception and he's not really an old

19:17

man, he might supposedly be under Caprio. Possibly. It's

19:20

also like it's heroic. I

19:24

think what they're going for is this is

19:26

now a Flash story versus an

19:28

ensemble story because I think in

19:30

the comic, you can switch perspectives

19:32

from like issue to issue, like

19:34

chapter to chapter and that

19:36

works. And so you can shift around and you

19:38

can do that in a novel too, obviously. But

19:40

with like a movie, I think centering it on

19:42

Barry is I think a smart choice and making

19:44

it a love story is pretty cool. I think

19:46

Matt Bomer is terrific. I think he's... Yeah, I

19:48

think he was really good. I really

19:51

lived in performance. They showed some video of him.

19:53

He's very physical in his performance. He's not just

19:55

sitting there reading a script. He's actually acting it

19:57

out. I like his voice

19:59

anyway, but I think he's really... really good Barry.

20:01

I think his performance with Iris is strong. I

20:03

mean, the love story is really good. I think

20:05

they're cute together, but like, it's like, okay, well,

20:07

if you kill him when he's 80, sounds like,

20:10

you know, all right, fine. Well, it's like he's

20:12

80, but to us though, like, you know, all

20:14

that time hasn't passed, you know? Like, we're jumping

20:16

around in time, so... Oh, we should mention that.

20:18

Sorry, I didn't write it down. I guess I

20:20

just got tired of writing. It ends kind of

20:22

with the classic scene in Crisis

20:24

is when Barry starts appearing to people as he's

20:27

dying. Yeah. In the comic. And

20:30

so here he, I don't know if he's, because he's

20:32

dying, but he starts appearing to himself. He appears at

20:34

the warlord and he appears at a bunch of places

20:36

that I think we've seen in the films prior. Yes,

20:38

that was, yeah, that scene in Warworld. But like, I

20:40

don't think we saw him as him. I think we

20:42

saw him as like Harbinger or

20:44

we didn't know him as like, you couldn't

20:47

identify who it was. Like, maybe that was

20:49

it. I don't remember. It was kind of

20:51

like, it was kind of like, I don't

20:53

know, for lack of a better comparison, like

20:55

something you see on Lost where like you

20:57

see something out of continuity

20:59

and then it has more resonance later on. And

21:02

you're like, oh, that was him all this time.

21:04

So that's what it felt like. I

21:06

apologize. I haven't revisited Warworld since we saw it. No,

21:08

no, I haven't either. I think he heard apologize for

21:10

not having revisited Lost. I was like, it's okay, Paul.

21:12

I think a lot of people who intend to do

21:14

that gave up on that goal after the finale. It

21:17

did sour me having to go back to Warworld because

21:19

we did not like that movie at all. So

21:21

I mean, look, when I've loved the faithful adaptation of

21:23

the story, absolutely, but they're not going to do that.

21:25

So in lieu of that, I think they did a

21:27

very good job here of taking this world

21:29

they've created and fitting crisis into it.

21:32

Now, the real big difference between this world and

21:34

the comic world at the time was, you know,

21:36

the comic world has been going on since the silver

21:38

age for about 30 years. And

21:40

here it's still relatively new in the careers of

21:42

all these characters, right? So they just want to

21:44

justice league when this happens. So they're still like

21:46

young. There's no sidekicks that we meet Dick Grayson.

21:48

First of all, let's just give it up

21:50

for tomorrow verse. There's no Damien in this tomorrow verse. Only

21:53

when they open the door and that the kid that

21:56

you were nervous when you saw the costume design, he

21:58

was scally. I was like, Oh, fuck, Damien. I

22:00

was like, oh, whoa. And then

22:02

we see him later on as the adult Robin, and I

22:04

have all notes on all those characters, but the

22:07

difference is the world isn't ending after they've been

22:09

together for a while. The world is ending as

22:11

they're just sort of starting out, and so that's

22:13

a different feeling. We haven't mentioned yet that, so

22:15

there's several characters in the comic that are really

22:17

important. One is Harbinger, one is Psycho Pirate, and

22:19

one is Pariah. That's putting aside

22:21

the monitor characters. Psycho Pirate, wish he had

22:24

the full face mask, but I think him

22:26

and Question together would have been probably too

22:28

many blank faces. Constantine

22:30

from the old continuity is Pariah, which

22:32

I didn't pick up on until he

22:34

did the magic spell for some

22:36

reason. I recognize the voice. Which

22:39

is interesting, and I'm still grappling with how I

22:41

feel about that. And then the

22:44

one I really don't like is making Harbinger

22:46

a supergirl, which I just think

22:48

is unnecessary, but I guess just a

22:50

way of consolidating two characters into one and saving

22:52

money. Yeah, what they're going for. I

22:55

was like, oh. I think it's also

22:57

just for a movie, you kinda wanna truncate it

22:59

as much as you can. What do

23:01

we think about Constantine? I

23:06

still think his voice is so

23:08

campy, and it's

23:11

like Party City Constantine for me. I don't know.

23:13

I have not been a big fan of, ever

23:16

since they brought him into the

23:18

DC universe proper with the

23:21

Constantine book. The two verticals, not vertigo,

23:23

there's no vertigo. The two size superior

23:25

ones, but terrific. Josh, full approval. Yeah,

23:28

the old school ones. But how do we feel about them

23:30

bringing in the element of the old continuity, and what does

23:32

that mean for the ending of this one if it happens?

23:35

I mean, it's very kong kongy. I think

23:37

it's more of an Easter egg than anything else.

23:39

I don't know that it has actual consequences. In

23:42

the comics, Pariah was the reason why

23:44

it all happened. He accidentally unleashed the

23:46

antimatter wave, and so his punishment was

23:48

he had to observe all the deaths,

23:51

watch it all happen, and be in your house and stop it.

23:54

That doesn't seem to be what they're doing here, we

23:56

don't really know what they're doing here with Constantine. He's

23:58

all raggedy, he looks not like Constantine. He doesn't

24:00

look like pry either. Given the way that

24:02

they've been seeding stuff, I guess, like, and

24:04

we're seeing like the going to Wayne

24:07

Manor and meeting up there, like having, I

24:09

guess there probably is then an

24:11

end game with seeing more

24:13

of what Hellblazer or what

24:15

Constantine did. And

24:17

he's going to have more of a role to play. Yeah, you're right. Especially

24:20

since he's active, like he at one point uses

24:22

this magic to help, which violates the

24:24

rules of pry that doesn't matter. Ryan,

24:26

how are you feeling about it as

24:28

sort of a adaptation of Crisis as

24:30

a Whole? I've never read Crisis. You've

24:33

never read it? Yeah. Because

24:35

that was my question. I was going to say, you guys Crisis

24:37

fans, have you never read it, Ryan Paul? I've read

24:40

parts of it. Interesting. Interesting.

24:43

I've never liked big multiverse

24:45

stories. I have a sense. It's just,

24:48

it's not my bag. I

24:50

know that I should read it as like a history thing, but.

24:52

I'm significantly older. So when I was a kid

24:54

reading comics in the 80s, I was nine when

24:57

Crisis came out. And

24:59

reading comics, but when I really started

25:01

reading them sort of a lot, like going to the store and

25:04

buying them regularly, Crisis had just finished.

25:06

So like as when Superman got rebooted, as when

25:08

Wally West got rebooted, as when Justice League came

25:10

out, the Keith Giffen years. And I've

25:12

read a lot of the stuff that came out right afterwards.

25:14

So I've like read the John Byrne, Superman reboot, and I've

25:16

read the Giffen. So Crisis

25:18

hung over all the DC books,

25:20

right? They would still refer to it

25:22

and it would be like an editor's notes. And

25:25

so as a kid, I'm like, oh, what was the story

25:27

that all these things happened? And so it

25:29

was like a big deal. Like the ideal thing you wanted to

25:31

comic publishers to have a reader be like, oh, what is this

25:33

thing? I got to find it and buy

25:36

it and read it. And so, you know, Business

25:38

Back when I was a kid, I didn't have

25:40

a job. I didn't have a salary and back

25:42

dishes are expensive. It took me, I think through

25:44

high school, I finally collected all the issues from

25:46

back issues because some of them like ate where

25:48

Flash died was super expensive. Now

25:51

you have a job and you have some disposal income

25:53

and back issues never been easier to get, but it's

25:55

time. It's just like Barry. It's the best day of

25:57

my year at all. It's just like Barry. I would

25:59

like to see you. in three formats. I had issues

26:01

in hardcover and in absolute issues. I

26:03

think I've always thought of crisis as like

26:06

the Silmarillion. Like it's like I appreciate that

26:08

it's there, but it's just like, and I'm

26:10

also I'm not like a plot reader.

26:13

And crisis feels very plot oriented. Yeah, I

26:15

mean, it's a catch of 1000s and impressive

26:17

piece of work. They pull it off. It

26:19

is still one of the best events has

26:21

ever happened. They pull it off. It does

26:23

what it's supposed to do. It has stakes.

26:26

It has a really big emotional beats. It

26:28

really does devastate everybody, but it also leads to a

26:30

rebirth. Anyway, the point is, as a kid, it was

26:32

like this thing that was so like this big deal

26:35

that was this happened right before I really started reading.

26:37

That was just like, you know, mythical stories.

26:39

I had to sort of piece together. I would buy an

26:41

issue and read it and then I'd buy another issue and

26:43

read it. I'd buy number seven and

26:45

read that. Then I'd buy number two and read that. Then

26:47

I'd buy number 11 and read that. Try to piece together

26:49

what happened. Right. This is clearly somebody who worked on this

26:52

movie had that same experience and they're incorporating it into the

26:54

filmmaking. And so I'm a huge fan of it. It's one

26:56

of my favorite stories of all time, but I also understand

26:58

it's a really hard thing to adapt and I think they're

27:00

doing a good job of it so far. You know, they

27:02

have to streamline it obviously. Let's talk about the heroes

27:05

gathering and the satellite, the sparsely attended

27:07

hero party. It does feel sparse. Yes.

27:10

It's a shame. So there's a lot going on in the

27:12

background. We do meet some people. We'll talk about them in a

27:14

second, but I got the sense that the Batgirl is

27:16

the timbres Batgirl from the way they drew her.

27:18

She has sort of that timbres hourglass shape and

27:20

she was always sort of standing at that three

27:22

quarter pose and she won't push her hand

27:24

on her hip like all the timbres poses. I

27:27

got that sense. The question seemed to be with

27:29

the question from the question short. This is the

27:31

same voice actor. Let's talk about Robin. So we

27:33

meet old Robin, older Robin in the comic. He

27:36

has great temples, but he's not that quite that

27:38

old here. I wish they'd give him the silly

27:40

costume. I really do. Look at the other legs,

27:42

but that's just me. I just wish that ever

27:44

since they changed voice directors

27:46

and Andrea Romano retired, that the actors doing

27:48

Batman would turn it down by 20%. Just

27:51

give him some shading in the voice characterization.

27:53

He's so robotic. He was robotic in the

27:55

last continuity. He's robotic in this one. So

27:58

it's okay when he's on the field. But

28:00

like in these moments where he meets Robin, he

28:02

meets his daughter Helena Wayne, Huntress, there's no shading,

28:04

there's no acting, there's no emotion in the performance

28:06

at all. I agree. And

28:08

it's kind of disappointing. Yeah. If any moment

28:10

he's gonna crack, it's this one. Yeah. And he doesn't.

28:13

He just plays it straight. You are my daughter.

28:15

It's like, oh no. Yeah, it's unfortunate that,

28:17

you know, you point out that it's like

28:19

if any time he was going to

28:22

be emotional, it would be here. You're right. And

28:24

you think of historically, you're not a

28:27

fan, but in Mask of the Phantasm,

28:29

you have that great performance. Well, okay.

28:32

Yeah. Yeah. With Conroy and like

28:34

him at the grave of his parents and saying, I didn't expect to be happy

28:37

and it's so different from how he plays

28:39

him elsewhere. But like it's within that range.

28:41

Like it feels of one part. I have

28:43

to blame the directors. I have to because

28:46

these are actors. They know how to do this. They

28:48

don't feel like they're in the same room or like,

28:50

you know, they, you know. Oh, definitely not. For these

28:52

videos. Yeah. But it's

28:54

just that they have to be directed to say, no,

28:56

you can be a human as well as that, man.

28:58

And it started with that other continuity. The

29:01

last one, Batman's performances for different actors

29:03

were much more emotional or actorly before

29:05

that. But now the last

29:07

two has just been like, read him as straight

29:10

and as flat as possible. Even the scene in

29:12

this one, when Batman's flying around the jet and

29:14

they're trying to save the day and he thinks

29:16

he's going to die. So he calls up Robin

29:18

and he calls up Helena. Again, totally flat, emotionless

29:20

performance. It's just a bummer. Yeah.

29:23

That was sort of my big note is like

29:25

with the big ensemble stuff, I think like the

29:27

smaller moments like the stuff with Flash and Iris,

29:29

that worked better. Although I

29:31

didn't necessarily buy the actress, you know, as

29:33

older Iris. No, neither one. They

29:36

didn't change their voices at all. Which is

29:38

probably a direction, like probably a choice that

29:40

they said, okay, don't do your old lady

29:42

voice. Like just do it normal. But the

29:45

way they were designed, they

29:48

were like, they looked significantly old and it was

29:50

like, like, I'd like to see a little bit

29:52

of, you know, they could have filtered through it,

29:54

give them a little more bass in their voice.

29:56

Yeah, something like that. Like there's stuff like, I

29:59

know there was a moment. where Ted

30:01

Kord is talking. And

30:03

I was like, where is that performance coming

30:05

from? It's like you're doing like an old

30:07

time radio spot for something. I think they

30:10

were actually supposed to be coming from the

30:12

Charlton comic. Yeah, I do. Yeah.

30:14

He said that was a question from his world. If

30:16

that question was the one from the crazy animated one,

30:18

then that would make sense that the libido would also

30:21

be sort of over the top. That didn't bother me

30:23

as much. I like the question. Although I thought it

30:25

was Jeffrey Kones, but apparently it was David Kay. Yeah,

30:27

from the short. Yeah. Superman,

30:31

I wrote Young Old Superman because

30:34

Superman meets an older version of himself from

30:36

another world, but it's not the comic with

30:38

the great temples. It's just a slightly older.

30:40

Yeah, it's like this one's six months older than. They

30:43

added a few lines to his face that made it

30:45

hard to, which one are they looking at? When they

30:47

talked about it, it made it sound like the Superman

30:49

is so old. Most of the humans he knew, when

30:51

he was a young man, have died of old age.

30:53

Yeah, Lois died, but then also Wonder Woman will

30:56

outlive him. What's kind of an

30:58

interesting dynamic? Oh, I wish that

31:00

wave wasn't coming so we could expand on this some

31:02

more because that's kind of interesting. There's also a call

31:05

back, because earlier on when Superman's hurt and they bring

31:07

him to the Batcave to heal him, Batman says, I

31:09

don't think he can die. And then later

31:11

on we find out he can die, which

31:13

is just like a minor call back which I noticed in my second

31:15

viewing. Just give him the great temples. It's

31:17

okay. Yeah. It's okay. It

31:19

was just weird. I didn't realize that. So wait,

31:22

okay, so when the older Superman tells the younger

31:24

Superman, we can die.

31:26

Yeah. Does that mean that he

31:28

has? Like he went through doomsday?

31:30

He died and came back and so he knows that

31:32

they can die. Maybe. Or

31:34

maybe he just knows he's dying. But I mean, how do you, well,

31:36

yeah. Or maybe that means he's gonna die. I don't

31:39

know. He would have a unique perspective if

31:41

he had died already. He could say, yep, we can

31:43

die. I think they gave a

31:45

plausible reasoning for him and Wonder Woman to

31:47

be together for that couple. It

31:50

was like, we're the only ones left who've

31:52

gone through all this together. We've been friends

31:54

for so long. And then we

31:56

sort of just merged into this romantic, it wasn't

31:58

like, oh. just, you know,

32:00

we're both hot, powerful. It's like we've gone through

32:03

centuries of this stuff together. All of our friends are

32:05

dead. All of our loved ones are dead. Lois is

32:07

dead. Steve's dead. So like, they're the only ones left.

32:10

They've been through it all. They've been through everything together.

32:12

It made sense to me. I was like, okay, I

32:14

can buy that. Here's a question.

32:16

Okay, so I don't know how recently

32:18

you read crisis. Not super recently. I

32:21

flipped through it. Is there a moment

32:23

where Dr. Light goes through a thing

32:25

and the wardrobe change? The

32:27

new Dr. Light does debut in the story, but I don't

32:29

believe there's a machine that gives her a costume. That was

32:32

a little strange. That was a weird scene. I was like,

32:35

that's weird, but also I could see that being in a comic

32:37

book. I just, there were things

32:39

like that that made me think, what is this bringing to the

32:41

story? And again, since we're not seeing the whole thing, maybe it

32:43

will. But what is her scene

32:46

bring to the character end or the story?

32:48

And she's new. They feel like they're setting

32:50

her up. She's a major part of the

32:52

story of the comic. Right. Or it could

32:54

just be like, we're paying lip service to

32:56

the fact that she's important in the comics.

32:58

That could be true too. We're going to

33:00

feature her here. Or if there are two

33:02

more of these, then they could certainly give

33:04

her more stuff to do. It's

33:06

interesting. So we've had two, we had the Long Halloween

33:09

part one and two, we had the Dark Network Trans

33:11

part one and two, we had the Death Superman. Death

33:13

Superman and Reign of Superman. We haven't really, this is

33:15

a lot of time to dig into the story.

33:17

This is a lot of minutes that are going to really

33:20

get to flesh this out. So I'm really kind of interested

33:22

to see what happens here. And they

33:24

cover a lot of grounds,

33:27

this installment. So they could cram a

33:29

lot into two and three. Not

33:31

enough ground to lay out who the

33:33

bad guy is. Bad guys, the anti-monitor. Not

33:36

even going to show the anti-monitor?

33:38

Just show them? Like Thanos waiting

33:40

to show up? Like God. Batman

33:43

thinks that it's the waves themselves.

33:45

Right. Well, she's always hated the ocean.

33:48

I like how he's like, well, the only

33:50

solution to this is that the waves must

33:52

have learned that we're trying to stop them.

33:54

Right. That's the only one he could think

33:56

of. And I like how the monitor's like,

33:58

well, Batman, no. That

34:00

was actually my

34:02

Ryan Science nitpick time. Play the

34:05

theme, Connor. Ding, ding,

34:07

ding, ding, ding. That's Ryan Science

34:09

nitpick corner. The only

34:11

science nitpick I had, because Dr. Light said like,

34:13

oh, if it's a wave of antimatter, we're screwed.

34:15

Like, there's nothing we can do. And I was

34:17

like, yep, that's correct. So the only science nitpick

34:20

I had was when they were talking about Aquaman's

34:22

Atlantean kingdom having wave shields and how those could

34:24

be retrofitted or co-opted in some way to stop

34:26

the antimatter waves. If it latuses at

34:28

the bottom of the ocean, there are no waves at the

34:30

bottom of the ocean. It is a

34:32

wave-less environment. If the shields are made of

34:34

matter, how does that stop the antimatter wave,

34:36

isn't it? Yeah, it does. I was

34:39

just annoyed by the concept of waves at the bottom of the ocean. There

34:41

are no waves down there. Have you ever been to the bottom of the

34:43

ocean? You don't know that. There's some very strong

34:45

science to back up the lack of waves at

34:47

the bottom of the ocean at the top. Whole

34:50

different story. These sentient waves may just wait for

34:52

you guys to leave and then get the gift.

34:54

It's just funny being Batman in that position where

34:56

he's the one who had the stupid idea. Well,

34:59

let the adults talk Batman. I just thought it was

35:02

fun. Did you guys have fun watching it? I thought

35:04

it was fun. I did. I

35:06

did. But the things that stood

35:08

out as being stilted did bother me. I

35:11

felt like the dialogue, the

35:13

way it was edited together was stilted

35:16

in a way where I almost felt that

35:18

when two characters were talking, there was an overlong

35:20

gap between one character saying something and the

35:22

next character saying their line. In a way where

35:24

it happened often enough, I was like, this

35:26

is consistent in a way that it feels just

35:29

like stilted. It didn't feel like human conversation like we're

35:31

having now. There were definitely things that bugged me.

35:34

We've mentioned some of them, but I found myself just

35:36

having a good time being impressed with the undertaking. And

35:38

that was after the first half where I was like,

35:40

this movie has nothing to do with Crisis of the

35:42

Earth, but I'm having a good time watching it. They

35:45

can call it whatever they want, though. It's not

35:47

Crisis. So then it becomes much more Crisis-y in

35:49

the middle, but I just thought it was really

35:51

fun. I was impressed with the way that we

35:53

build together. The animation was strong. The animation was

35:55

strong. I laughed. I think the funniest moment for

35:57

me was when Ultraman saved the building that's starting

35:59

to fall. Oh, that was really good. That was really good. And

36:01

then it was worth it to follow the other direction because he

36:03

just didn't want it to hit his headquarters. He didn't care that

36:05

the building was coming down. Yeah. That

36:08

was a really good comedic beat. The buildings are collapsing.

36:10

It's going to fall on the headquarters so he catches it.

36:12

And the guy in the building is shocked. Which

36:15

really? Yeah. He's been saved

36:17

by Ultraman and Ultraman pushes the building upright. And the

36:19

guy literally has to look at his face for a

36:21

minute like, I can't believe it. And he just taps

36:23

it the other way. And I laugh on the couch

36:26

hardly because I thought the acting in the animation was

36:28

so strong. And then all of a sudden, it was

36:30

a silent comedic beat. I thought there's some

36:32

really strong bits in this. I'm really impressed. I think

36:34

if people can totally watch this movie without having seen

36:36

any of the other ones. Yeah. Agreed.

36:39

You can have no context or anything other than knowing anything about DC

36:41

Universe. And it's fun. Can they maintain over three films?

36:43

We'll see. But right now, I think

36:46

it's impressive what they've pulled off here. And it's

36:48

not perfect fighting me. How do you think the

36:50

ending plays in a post-Infinity War world? What

36:54

do you mean? You have characters dissolving on screen.

36:57

Oh, right, right, right. Because in the future, they're

36:59

– I didn't even think of that, to be

37:01

honest with you. But you're right. You're

37:03

right. They could have had a different visual

37:05

way to show them dying in the future than having them

37:07

dissolve. You're totally right. Get dusted. I

37:10

didn't even think of it. I don't know why. I guess I was just so

37:13

into it at that point. It was just all about future characters, right? It was

37:15

Brainiac and Supergirl. And who was the Legionnaire that was there? Dawnstar.

37:17

Dawnstar, right? That was them? That's

37:20

like me. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't matter

37:22

if, you know, Crisis did

37:24

that stuff first. Right. Yes,

37:26

the Zeitgeist says it. Yeah, I guess. It's,

37:29

you know, Infinity War is sort of like claimed that

37:32

as its own. I really want in

37:34

the next installment, you know, they have to

37:36

introduce the Anti-Monitor. I'd like to see them

37:38

battle the Shadow demons. Because to me, as a

37:40

kid, those things are so scary because if they touch

37:42

you, you died. And that's how a lot of the

37:45

heroes ended up dying. And then, of course, there's the

37:47

big battle at the end with Anti-Monitor on his sort

37:49

of satellite asteroid island. That's where

37:51

Supergirl dies. It'll be interesting to see how

37:53

they handle big deaths. They're going to have

37:55

to. The Flash in

37:58

the comics, he's kidnapped and basically forced

38:00

to run on this treadmill to power

38:02

the anti-monitors machines. In

38:05

the CW crossover, it

38:07

was similar to that. But

38:10

then, spoilers if you haven't watched that, that was

38:12

like 10 years ago,

38:14

however many years ago, instead of Barry Allen dying

38:16

from the CW, the Barry Allen from the CBS

38:18

world takes his place and dies. But

38:21

sort of similar. I'll be curious to see

38:23

because it seems like here he's basically sacrificing

38:25

himself in a proactive way to

38:28

power this tower instead of basically being

38:30

run to death by an anti-monitor which

38:33

makes it a murder rather than a

38:35

sacrifice. Would you make all

38:38

three installments of this flash

38:41

centric? Would you make

38:43

it so that he is the perspective

38:45

or would you say like, oh, this is more

38:47

Superman story? This is more Batman

38:49

story. Interesting. I just thought it as a possibility. That

38:52

would be interesting. Because in a way, it feels like

38:54

when you get to the end of this, you're like,

38:56

well, I mean, I know that there's more that you

38:58

could do with the flash, but it almost feels like

39:00

a complete arc for him. Let

39:02

me give you my thoughts on that. Number one, if this

39:04

is an end to tomorrow, of course it should be that

39:06

way. Then number two, it does feel

39:08

like they're setting up a Superman centric one. First of

39:10

all, if they're going to kill Supergirl, they have to

39:12

have it sort of be Superman centric. And second of

39:14

all, they did spend an inordinate amount of time with

39:17

the two Superman together. So I could

39:19

see a third installment or whenever they kill Supergirl

39:21

being this. I could see that actually would be

39:23

really impressed. Could you see

39:25

it being like, I could almost see

39:27

it being a Superman Batman story for

39:29

the second one. And then you could

39:32

do like Constantine for the third one. You

39:35

know, I think you're onto

39:37

something here. Because as much

39:39

as I really love the flash, I do as much as I

39:41

really love Matt Bomer's performance as a flash I do. I don't

39:43

know if I want three movies of him

39:46

running treadmill him talk, you know,

39:48

like, this over and over doing

39:50

that and you would see that

39:52

stuff but like you just shift

39:54

the perspective. Sure, he gets a pop up but

39:56

now we're focused mostly on Clark or mostly on

39:58

Bruce or I love it. Kind

40:01

of what they did in the World War One movie, so they pioneered the concept

40:03

at least. That's true as well. I love

40:05

this, Paul. I love this. Now, to the point where

40:07

if it doesn't happen, I'm gonna be disappointed. But you're

40:09

right. No, because the story's got a shift. I

40:11

mean, I guess they could just leave it. But

40:13

there's a lot of running. It just seems like

40:15

a lot to do like a flash trilogy. Even

40:19

if it is an ensemble. It's called Justice

40:21

League, right? Yeah. In the very

40:23

long and clunky title, it's Justice League colon, Crisis of the

40:25

Infinite Earth, Dash Part 1. If it wasn't,

40:27

then they could just call it The Flash, Crisis of the Infinite

40:29

Earth. I heard because the Tom Cruise is scheduled, they're actually gonna

40:31

take away the Part In

40:33

movies? Well, you know, the

40:35

strike really slowed it down. I think you're on something, Paul,

40:37

for a variety of reasons. The title is also a big

40:39

indicator. It might not just be a Flash story. So

40:42

that's interesting. I think it's wild. So

40:44

I was in Target last month, I

40:46

think it was. And there's a big

40:49

ol' anti-monitor action figure in Target. I

40:51

see those. They're cool. You're

40:53

used to seeing that stuff at like conventions and

40:55

things. But when you see it prominently displayed. I

40:58

mean, I know it's like we're through

41:00

the looking glass on this stuff, but it's still kind

41:02

of cool. No, I think it's a cool figure. If

41:05

I was a kid and that came out, I wouldn't

41:07

even care. Like the context of it is just a

41:09

cool thing. It's a cool figure. I love big figures.

41:12

Yeah. I love big contextual

41:14

size figures. I'm

41:16

really looking forward to it. They haven't announced the release date of the

41:18

next one or the one after or Watchmen for that matter. But

41:21

if they're banging out four movies this year, I

41:23

gotta imagine we're gonna get one's quarter. Any

41:25

other like big moments that you

41:27

think need to be in

41:30

an adaptation with this title? Like

41:33

you gotta see Superman holding Supergirl. Yeah, I

41:35

think that's a... I mean, those are the

41:37

iconic moments of Crisis, right? It's Flash crumbling

41:40

into dust and Supergirl and Superman's arms. I

41:42

like the appearance of the Justice Society in

41:44

here. I like that they're old. I wonder

41:46

if that means we're gonna see... I

41:48

guess it was Wildcat there? We saw our man. We

41:51

saw Black Canary. We saw Jay Garrick. Although

41:53

Jay Garrick in the back room, you think in a Flash story, he

41:55

would get some play but no. In the

41:57

comic, Wildcat dies and so that's what he's... Yolanda takes

41:59

over. So I don't know if they're going to have

42:01

some sort of handover in that scenario. You know, there's

42:03

just a lot of moments, the stuff

42:05

that sticks with me is a lot of moments of

42:08

them fighting to the end and then they just can't

42:10

do it and they sort of die each other's arms,

42:12

you know, because they're overwhelmed by the shadow creatures. It's

42:14

just you're hoping for those kinds of big emotional beats

42:16

if this is the end of that too, you know.

42:18

I mean, it's probably good that this is coming out

42:20

during a presidential election year then, right?

42:23

What if there's no anti-monitor? Just

42:26

kind of like they did in the second Fantastic Four

42:28

movie where like there really isn't Galactus, it's just a

42:30

cloud. Galactus-shaped cloud? I think that would be bad. I

42:33

think that would be bad, Paul. That would be bad.

42:35

What if it's just the monitor and

42:37

you give him a heel turn, you

42:39

know? I think the idea of matter

42:41

versus antimatter kind of necessitates a monitor

42:43

and anti-monitor. What if it's a very

42:45

end? The anti-monitor like armor suit or

42:47

whatever just like falls apart and then

42:49

you see coming out of it is

42:52

just another wave and Batman's like, I

42:54

was right! Or

42:56

no one bothered to look behind the anti-monitor where

42:58

he has a second face on the back of

43:00

his head. That's the anti-monitor's head. And so he

43:02

just turns around and he's evil and turns back

43:04

around and he's good. It's just whatever way he's

43:06

facing the heroes. That's

43:09

a very 80s idea. Yes, it is. That would

43:11

be appropriate. I think you got to have the anti-monitor. I think

43:13

you got to have the deaths, I think. The

43:16

inclusion of Constantine here as Pariah means

43:18

there's a wild card at play, I

43:20

think. And I'm really

43:22

curious now, Paul, your idea of shifting perspectives on

43:24

the leads in these films, they

43:26

literally have told us nothing. That's the other thing why

43:29

I'm a little suspicious of the end is that they

43:31

haven't really given much information about any of these other

43:33

films or when they're coming out or anything like that.

43:36

So we don't know. Could we talk

43:38

Watchmen just real quickly? Sure. Yeah. Okay,

43:40

so you're going to do this Watchmen.

43:42

Wait, I just noticed, I

43:44

keep going back and watching some of

43:46

the shots of the sparsely populated Watchtower.

43:49

Yeah. I think I just realized

43:51

that the Aqualad in those scenes, because they

43:53

show Aqualad again in one of the wrap

43:55

up scenes during the finale. So I think

43:57

the Aqualad in those scenes is the one

43:59

from. Yes, I think they're playing around

44:01

with putting some Easter eggs in the background. We

44:03

see a more comic Appropriate aqua led

44:05

on Aquaman's planet. We see like a mirror

44:07

and and and a Garth from sort of

44:09

the Silver Age version Mushed up with the

44:12

Hokkad at Aquaman, but I think they allowing

44:14

the background That's why I think there's the

44:16

tim verse bat girls back there. And I

44:18

think there's other things There's the old man

44:20

Captain Marvel. What was it? What is

44:22

I'm blanking on the name the purple suited

44:24

Fantastic Four Analog the challenge

44:26

is the unknown Yeah, in

44:28

the comics they bring in Sergeant Rock and

44:30

howling commandos and commandos. No, that's just no

44:32

security It's our job. You're rocking then easy

44:34

company and they bring them in so they're

44:36

all confused Oh what's going on and on

44:38

the satellite? But you know, they could have

44:40

more fun like that, you know But

44:44

I get it. I quite enjoyed seeing the

44:46

crime syndicate die. Yeah, you know

44:48

rebar right to the that was on

44:50

the book It was the first sort of major

44:52

death We see like some planets died but

44:54

the first time we see the characters that we know in the

44:56

comics died So it's a crime syndicate those scenes were tricky for

44:59

me early in the movie when cows to watch him with me

45:01

Right, he would see ultra-man. He'd be like what Superman gonna do.

45:03

I was like, well, buddy. Hang on But

45:07

it's presumptive to let like the youngest flash to who

45:09

happens to be able to slip between the universe get

45:11

to name them all Like yep, you're definitely earth one.

45:13

We didn't have another designation for that Beforehand

45:17

it's funny when you look back at the comics

45:19

the crime syndicate a lot of the designs are sort

45:21

of really close But not owl man who's

45:24

who's wearing like an owl head on his

45:26

head. Not cool I just love how evil

45:28

they are. Yeah, and how the world makes

45:30

no sense But I go just yeah, it's

45:32

like just short of like Legion of doom

45:34

like they're like they're the crime syndicate Right

45:36

know like mustache twirling evil If you think

45:39

for one second about how that world actually

45:41

functions at all falls apart But that's right

45:43

just like bizarro world or anything else. You

45:45

just have to go with it Right

45:47

They're supposed to have like administrative staff to help

45:49

handle the bureaucracy that they're supposedly in charge of

45:52

that Necessity having office buildings filled with rage. Why

45:54

are you still going to a job in which

45:56

your world is being controlled by an evil Justice

45:58

League? That's why, even

46:00

on the Superman the Animated Series, Superman

46:04

very easily slips into fascism

46:07

when he's taking control of

46:09

things and he's

46:11

still well-intentioned, but he's

46:13

just stepped over a line. That's scarier

46:15

than Ultraman. Look at that Justice

46:18

Lords. It definitely felt pointed

46:20

to have the question character being the

46:22

most anti-fascist voice in the room. I

46:25

was like, oh, that's kind of an interesting characterization for

46:27

that character. Yeah, he's usually on the other side of

46:29

things. I still

46:31

love him though. I think that voice is brilliant for him and

46:33

I was happy whenever he came on to poke at anybody on

46:35

the screen. We're kind of all over the map in this because

46:37

the movie's kind of all over the map, but I think in

46:39

a way that really works for the story. It's

46:42

a bit whiplash inducing at times and how often the

46:44

flash just sort of wakes up in some other timeline,

46:46

but it's incredibly fun. I really am excited now for

46:49

the rest of them to come out and

46:51

I hope people check this out and I'm

46:53

very curious also to see if this is the end. So

46:56

we'll see. I'm excited. We don't know when

46:58

the next one's coming out. My guess

47:01

is May-ish, May-June.

47:03

My guess is Watchmen comes out the end of the year

47:06

and it's, well, who knows? I'm just guessing. I don't

47:08

know anything. I'm a little bummed. I think I would be

47:10

more excited for the next movie in the series if

47:12

I at least had a sense of when it was coming

47:14

out to have no date announced when the first one

47:16

drops to me. They must have been working on all these

47:18

at the same time. Yeah, I think unless they don't

47:20

know and they're like behind, it'd be like, you know, part

47:23

one, January, part two, June, part

47:25

three. Actually, what I would do is I

47:27

would do part one and two. And then a

47:30

big cliffhanger, didn't do Watchmen and then

47:32

end on Crisis. That's what I would do if

47:34

I was in charge. It's kind of neat.

47:36

It's a neat idea. And then also if it

47:38

is the end of the things, I would end on Crisis and not

47:40

Watchmen, but we'll see. So my quick Watchmen

47:42

question. Yes. Okay.

47:44

How close of an adaptation do you think it's going to be?

47:46

Do you think it's going to be as close to one to

47:49

one or do you think that they're going to be? movie.

47:54

They're just too much. I mean, Zack

47:56

Snyder basically did one to one and it was like two and a half

47:58

hours. say do you

48:00

think it's going to be a reduced version

48:03

or do you think they're gonna take like

48:05

a big swing difference from the original the

48:08

way well I don't I guess they didn't

48:10

do that with Long Halloween Gotham by gaslight

48:12

has a totally different killer

48:15

Paul I don't know the answer

48:17

because I need more information yeah

48:20

if they say they run times two hours that I'm

48:22

saying that they're gonna do a straight adaptation if it's

48:24

90 minutes they're gonna have to cut something I say

48:26

take a big swing do some totally different the way

48:28

that the HBO show did yeah I

48:31

mean really depends I don't

48:33

know everyone pirates do it

48:35

all those pirates yeah do the pirate

48:37

parts wait we didn't do a joke last time that

48:39

the Pirates part should be live-action yes

48:42

we did yes that's cool it was a good

48:44

joke and I think that's an

48:46

idea I don't know I'm excited for

48:48

all these folks now I was apprehensive and

48:50

I'm excited so that's cool let's do ratings

48:53

on Justice League crisis of the infinite earth

48:55

part one oh boy it's a difficult rate

48:57

I think it's not a rating it's not a full story it's

48:59

just a chapter of a story Ryan you go

49:02

first I think I'm

49:04

somewhere in between a 3.75 and a 4 but I'm

49:08

not gonna lock it in until I hear from you too oh

49:11

I reserve the right to lock it in I'm gonna

49:13

go 4.25 okay I'll go 3.5 think I like him

49:16

more than I did

49:20

I'm gonna go I'm gonna go for go for I

49:22

watch it twice that's impressive I think because

49:24

of my watching experience with the kid distracting me and

49:27

stuff like that I will probably need to watch this

49:29

again before I watch the next one but I'll probably

49:31

wait until much closer than yeah and that's actually something

49:33

I have to think about too so since these are

49:35

continuing I might throw it on again right before because

49:37

there's a lot of nuance here yeah I'm gonna

49:40

George RR Martin this where I'm not doing a

49:42

reread of those books until we have a release

49:44

date for the next one so if Warner

49:46

Brothers animation takes 10 years to get the next

49:49

one out I will you just make me think

49:51

back to the more innocent days of superhero

49:53

movies when like in 2013 like before Winter Soldier came

49:58

out whatever year that was I watched all the Marvel

50:00

movies leading up to it and

50:02

you couldn't even physically do that now. Yeah,

50:05

I mean the things that I keep hearing from

50:07

friends of mine is Disney Plus has a playlist

50:09

where you watch all the MCU movies in chronological

50:11

order that they happened in universe and obviously this

50:13

excludes the TV shows and a bunch of other

50:16

stuff but I don't know that that makes them

50:18

make any more sense or fit together better but

50:20

it's an interesting... So like it puts that push

50:22

in earlier I guess? Yeah and like it puts

50:24

Captain Marvel in the you know... Right, right. ...the

50:27

right sequence in the 90s or whatever. Alright so

50:29

we'll be back the animation for interest that is

50:31

whenever they announce or whenever they release part

50:33

two we may or may not do Invincible

50:35

I think that's Return now. They

50:38

didn't put them all up. I think it has

50:40

come I don't know. Much like Crisis

50:42

of the Infinite Earth I believe Invincible season two

50:44

is happening in three batches. Yeah that seems unlikely

50:46

then. Just

50:48

man just is just just seems unlikely but we'll

50:51

see maybe we will but we'll definitely back for

50:53

part two of Crisis of the Infinite Earth and

50:55

until then you can always listen to the Pickleak

50:57

podcast in which myself my partner Josh Flanagan sometimes

50:59

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51:01

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