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1:31

and welcome to the iGenUK Podcast, it's

1:33

me Simon Kearney with Matthew Perzley. Hello.

1:36

I'm Matthew Jones. You

1:38

don't sound very well rested, Simon. Do

1:40

I? No. I was watching that

1:43

game once, I've had a good five and a half hours sleep, I

1:45

don't usually get much more

1:47

than that, so I'm alright, I'm

1:49

feeling good. I'm

1:51

invigorated by just the sheer

1:54

amount of reveals we got,

1:56

kind of. There was a

1:58

few good ones. lot of

2:00

reveals, some of them are lights, but it's been in

2:03

general I think we can really a great

2:05

week for reveals because there's a certain other

2:07

thing that was revealed this week which I

2:10

think we'll talk about first which is pretty

2:12

huge and I think we all know

2:14

it is in fact Danny Dyer

2:16

is making a spiritual sequel to the

2:18

Football Factory. Of

2:20

course we on this podcast huge fans

2:23

of Green Street the film that Danny huge,

2:25

huge fans. I like the wood was in.

2:27

I haven't had a chance

2:29

to bring this up on the show since but

2:31

my partner had never watched Green Street. As soon

2:33

as joining this I asked

2:36

her if she wanted to watch it I just said like oh

2:38

you're watching Elijah Wood movie and

2:40

she was like hell yeah I'm in.

2:43

She loved it. If any of you

2:45

are apprehensive to watch Green Street with your

2:47

partners just do it. Just do it. But

2:50

what people may know about the Football

2:52

Factory it's basically a very similar film but

2:54

it has Danny Dyer in it instead of

2:56

Elijah Wood which means it does have a

2:58

different vibe to be fair but yeah they're

3:00

making a spiritual sequel essentially to that called

3:02

Marching Powder. Let me just read you the

3:04

synopsis of this which is it

3:07

follows the story of Jack who is

3:09

Danny Dyer a middle-aged drug-taking football hooligan

3:11

who is arrested and given six weeks

3:13

to turn his life around or face

3:16

a long spell in prison. Juggling his

3:18

marriage, his hard-knocked bully of a father-in-law

3:20

and his wayward 25 year old step-brother

3:23

Kenny Boy. I will

3:25

advise to get his life back on track. I

3:28

don't have like much knowledge of the British legal

3:30

system but is that a thing? Do they go

3:32

like oh go on come back in a month

3:34

and a half. Yeah yeah see if we can

3:36

turn it around. I love that

3:38

there's someone called Kenny Boy. I might audition for the

3:40

role of Kenny Boy. I reckon I've got a bit

3:42

of Kenny Boy energy to me. Of

3:45

course Danny Dyer played a character

3:48

called Kent Paul in GTA Vice E didn't

3:50

he? Which is kind of a bit like

3:52

Kenny Boy if you think about it. Of

3:55

course the real big thing we have

3:57

this week is the first look at GTA 6. Looks

4:01

good, doesn't it? Just

4:03

a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

4:06

Has anybody else just been listening to that Tom Petty song over and over? I've

4:08

been listening to a lot of Tom Petty,

4:10

has been getting me back into the rhythm

4:12

of a bit of The Heartbreakers,

4:15

but, I mean, we've kind of,

4:17

we've got to talk about this, but me

4:19

and Matt especially, we spent practically all of

4:21

Wednesday watching this trailer. I think I watched

4:24

this trailer for almost eight hours solid, trying

4:26

to find every single detail in it. If you haven't

4:28

checked it out, we've got a video there on IGN,

4:31

which is 99 details to find this

4:33

trailer, which is only, what, 91 seconds long? Yeah,

4:37

which about 10 seconds of that is the

4:39

logo? Yeah, there's a lot of

4:41

stuff in there, probably quite a few bits of

4:43

that will prove completely pointless when the game actually

4:46

comes out, but, you know, there's a lot of

4:48

cool detail. I think mainly it's just how

4:50

just, you know, it's not

4:52

really a detail, but just how ridiculously

4:55

good and true to life to Miami this game

4:57

looks. It's just unbelievable. I mean, down to the

4:59

point where, and obviously the GTA V map does

5:01

this as well, and GTA IV's map to a

5:04

certain extent, but we were picking out buildings that

5:07

we would then go and go to Google Maps

5:09

to actually find out the address of said building.

5:12

Yeah, there's an astonishing amount of detail

5:14

in it, and obviously that's partially fueled

5:17

by the engine that this is running

5:19

on, obviously an updated

5:21

version of whatever, you know,

5:23

kind of like Rockstar build-on is

5:26

astonishing. Like, there are effects

5:29

on particularly hair in this, I noticed,

5:33

that really captures the way that kind of

5:35

light filters through hair and creates that kind

5:37

of sense of volume and

5:39

bounce. Absolutely astonishing

5:42

work. Well, now, what I think they

5:44

should do is they should put an

5:46

AI real-life filter over it and completely

5:48

smudge it out. Like, any, not, I

5:50

haven't said any other studio, but

5:52

a lot of us use it for the release of this

5:54

trailer. I think a lot of people would go, oh, it's

5:56

not going to look like that. But with

5:59

Rockstar, you just trust them. that it will probably

6:01

look quite similar to that. Cause like if you

6:03

look at the GTA V first trailer, look at

6:05

the Red Dead 2 first trailer, they pretty much

6:07

look like that game turned out. Like this

6:10

guy, like how, like I'm, like, I'm

6:13

worried for my PS5. Like

6:15

I'm worried that it might start whirring like a

6:17

jet engine like the PS4 did for it's lost

6:19

like three years of his life. But

6:22

yeah, it's just, I guess the

6:24

somewhat inevitable mid-generation upgrade isn't that

6:26

this will, wouldn't surprise

6:28

me if there's some sort of launch in the

6:31

same sort of window for it. I

6:33

mean, we can theorize what this, you know, the themes of this

6:35

game, the story and what it may take. But first we've got

6:37

an email about that, which I thought we'd

6:40

use as a jumping off point from Tom Lovegrove.

6:42

He says, hi all hope you're doing well and

6:44

a prep for Christmas. Apologies

6:46

for the length of email. Never apologize. It's

6:48

not that lengthy anyway. That's what you do

6:50

with it. That's what's important. Exactly.

6:52

And I'm going to read it. Firstly,

6:54

belated congrats to Dale on the birthday

6:56

son. Top work. Well done, Dale.

6:59

Nice job. Secondly, I'd love to hear

7:01

your thoughts about what you'd like to see from

7:03

GTA six after the trailer dropped. I

7:06

know you did a builder and GTA game a

7:08

while back, but I'd love to hear what you'd

7:10

like to all see from a purely character and

7:12

narrative perspective. We all know Rockstar do parody of

7:14

American culture really well, but I

7:16

feel like because so many clips of the

7:18

trailer were based on real events in Florida,

7:20

they're basically saying to us, look, how can

7:22

we possibly steal parody such an already ridiculous

7:24

place? I would personally like to see

7:26

the main story take a more gritty struggle

7:29

in America approach akin to Red Dead 2

7:31

or GTA four with a much more serious

7:33

and darker tone than GTA five and saving

7:35

all the classic Rockstar comedy to the strangers

7:37

and freak side missions. As much

7:39

as I love GTA five always felt it odd we

7:42

had the weakest story of any Rockstar game in a

7:44

while. The story felt unfocused used to

7:46

the three overlapping protagonists. And there was a

7:48

real vacuum of genuinely interesting side characters. Bring

7:51

back little Jacob. I also hope

7:53

as kind of hinted in the trailer that the

7:56

female character is the only playable character in this

7:58

game considering how well Red Dead 2. told, one

8:01

man's incredible personal story. We'd

8:03

love to know your thoughts, and if

8:05

there's any other narrative influences or returning

8:07

characters you'd love to see. Respect the

8:09

sea, but also respect all employees in

8:11

the video games industry who have been

8:13

ridiculously mistreated in 2023. I think we

8:15

can agree with that. On

8:17

that note about returning characters, somebody

8:20

pointed out that if Tommy Vasetti were in

8:22

this he'd be like 70 or 80 by

8:25

now, which is terrifying as a thought.

8:30

I'd love to see him, but I'm sure as Matt

8:32

will mention now, they're in different universes so it's probably

8:34

highly unlikely this will happen. But we can dream. We

8:37

can definitely dream. We can probably see

8:39

if the shirt is in there or something like that, but

8:41

yeah, they are. We can maybe Trevor will come on holiday

8:43

to 5C. Oh gosh.

8:46

Trevor the Dayway. He's

8:49

from Florida, he's got a very Florida kind

8:51

of day away. He is basically Florida man,

8:54

the walking entity, isn't he?

8:56

In terms of tone and story of this, I

8:58

do think it will fall somewhere in between Red

9:00

Dead 2 and GTA 5. I think they'll go

9:02

for a more... I think even that

9:04

one very brief scene

9:06

of the two characters where they're having that scene

9:09

on the bed where they talk about trust, that

9:11

is already a more heartfelt scene

9:14

than I think any in GTA 5 that

9:16

we saw. But there's also,

9:18

if you look at all the clips in this

9:20

trailer, there's obviously going to be some madness and

9:22

some weird characters and that's just crazy stuff going

9:24

on. I do think it will be kind

9:26

of a tragic love story. Everyone's already

9:28

drawn the sort of Bonnie and Clyde,

9:30

sort of to an extent

9:33

natural born killers I guess, sort of

9:35

parallels to this. It's just Weber, which

9:37

one of those two is going to

9:39

betray the other is the question I

9:41

have. Really. Yeah. I don't know what

9:43

you guys think. I do think that

9:45

we had this conversation the other day, Cardi, in that

9:47

it does feel that with

9:49

Red Dead, Rockstar really

9:51

kind of flexes its dramatic

9:54

kind of heft. Even

9:56

more than kind of the original Red Dead Redemption

9:59

like that. And

14:00

I think one of the things you know how in

14:02

like GTA 4 introduced the concept of you could just

14:05

go home and watch TV And there's

14:07

like what is the like maybe seven or eight

14:09

like genuinely quite good TV shows in GTA 4

14:12

I think you'll be able to just open your phone

14:14

and basically infinitely scroll

14:17

And just watch a load of amazing TikToks like

14:19

over the course of narrative events as well like

14:21

you'll do something Yeah story and then suddenly that'll

14:23

be a thing that people are making TikToks about

14:25

absolutely want to hear their annoying AI filter voice

14:28

as well Like they're definitely gonna

14:30

have one I

14:32

think mine was There's one

14:34

thing it's a bit more of a boring technical

14:36

one But it was just like this year density

14:38

or some of those things like that beach scene

14:41

and the one outside the hotels on the strip

14:43

like And I know like a

14:45

lot of trailers like you know I think famously the

14:47

original cyberpunk trailers showed like a sea

14:49

bustling of people the end game At

14:51

launch fairly sparse city with not a lot

14:54

of people walking around Whereas I trust rock

14:56

softly to like deliver on that vision like

14:58

just like Diverse like look

15:01

of everyone looked different like the amount

15:03

of different body types Yeah, they all

15:05

like you know not to be

15:07

too crude but like the jiggle physics on

15:09

everything like the body like Models

15:11

in this game. It's look to have

15:13

that beach where there was equal placement

15:15

for people of all different ethnicities and

15:17

all different body types like you've got

15:19

a guy kind of like down the

15:22

middle of the beach that is the

15:24

most Ripped guy you've ever seen But

15:26

then we've kind of like more plus-sized people towards

15:29

the front and none of them felt like they

15:31

were necessarily Supposed to be

15:33

the main butt of the joke a GTA quite

15:35

frequently will kind of like cast fat people is

15:37

a bit of a joke And

15:39

I like the fact that this is no this is this

15:41

is just what the world looks like isn't there like

15:43

this is How we create little chihuahua, so I hope

15:46

it has like dogs and stuff walking around that

15:48

big a but I don't want to kill them My

15:50

thing was gonna be animals too It just seems as

15:53

if that's gonna be way more of a focus like

15:55

having alligators or crocodiles interchangeable as

15:57

far as I'm concerned We

16:00

did do the research, there are crocodiles in Florida.

16:04

Alligators are more, I think, synonymous with the

16:06

region. But, yeah,

16:08

I just will be talking about this game

16:10

for years to come, so. But we got

16:12

our first look and God knows when we'll

16:14

get another one. But I just can't wait.

16:17

I did want to say too, your video

16:19

about this, the historical, the thing about the

16:22

blimp too fascinated me, that like, where did

16:24

that fact come from? Was that like something

16:26

the two of you just knew? That's what

16:28

Cardi found. Wow. I just did my research.

16:31

It's so cool. I think I definitively actually

16:33

wrote, is a drug anti-drug, like, patrol blimp.

16:35

I think the theories are that it is

16:37

like, it's never been revealed by the government

16:39

what it is. But let's just call it an

16:42

anti-drug smuggling blimp. Yeah, this blimp

16:44

called the fat Albert that I'm not sure

16:46

if I think he may have been decommissioned

16:48

in the last couple of years, but since

16:50

the 70s, yes, just patrol the Florida Keys,

16:52

like this big white blimp. Probably

16:55

have some Floridians listening who will probably say

16:57

everything I said there is absolutely nonsense. That'd

16:59

be a fun, big email about it. So

17:01

if you're from Florida, what do you think

17:03

about the portrayal of Florida? There

17:06

was also one shot which the

17:08

speedboat's going past the big

17:10

like container ship that is just taken

17:13

from Michael Mann's Miami Vice, which is

17:15

very pleasant. So yeah. That movie's

17:17

kind of nid. Revisited.

17:19

Yeah. That's why I'd offer you to revisit it. Is there

17:21

an extended cut as well? Because I saw it in theaters

17:23

and I didn't really like it. It's

17:26

worth a revisit at Michael Mann's Miami Vice. I've

17:28

never seen that. It was kind of like an

17:30

updated version of the ATV show. Yeah, it was

17:32

the AM2,000's. It was

17:34

a re-visit. Colin Farrell. Yeah. Maybe

17:37

that's your homework, everybody. Not

17:40

Michael Mann's best, but it's still worth watching. Yeah.

17:42

Still pretty good. Anyway,

17:44

that's enough GTA for now, but we will

17:46

return to that topic in

17:48

the future. Also last month was the

17:50

Game Awards where, well, is it a Game Awards show?

17:52

I don't know. It's more of a trailer show. Actually,

17:54

Cardio, I'm going to cut you off. We don't have

17:56

any time. Okay. Wrap

17:58

it up, please. collaboration

20:00

with Xbox so I don't know if

20:02

this is exclusive I guess it

20:04

does mean I don't have actually said officially

20:06

this is this is just so that's a

20:08

big get for Xbox getting Kojima to make

20:11

a game for him and Jordan

20:13

Peele's involved neither of them

20:15

would say in what way he's involved but they

20:17

were just like he's part of this game is

20:21

it gonna be like how game

20:23

of Dutoro was involved in Death Stranding where

20:25

they just put his skin into

20:28

the motion capture event I don't think he

20:31

really do that no they just his game

20:33

yeah yeah weird and

20:35

it wasn't even yeah it wasn't even his voice but

20:38

I've got some some quotes

20:43

here from Kojima that he said on stage

20:45

he said it is a game don't get

20:47

me wrong but at the same

20:49

time it's

20:51

at the same time a movie and at the

20:54

same time a new form of media what

20:56

someone just let him direct the film and

20:58

just get it out his system what

21:01

is it like I don't

21:04

know I just don't know it's like the teaser

21:06

itself I did find really effective it had the

21:10

stars of the game it had Sophia

21:12

Lillis Hunter Schafer and Udo

21:14

Kieh who's like a odd

21:16

German character actor all being

21:18

like increasingly weird and saying these weird like

21:20

lines in the camera remind me of the

21:23

like cells interlinked thing from Blade Runner

21:25

where they're just kind of quoting these things

21:28

talking about animals I'm not sure

21:30

what was going on but it

21:32

was effective dinosaur apparently it

21:35

it was it was creepy I'll give it that

21:37

like and he didn't confirm it's a horror game

21:39

but if you the tone of that

21:41

teaser and if you're getting Jordan Peele involved that you'd

21:43

feel this is sort of a horror game right I

21:45

mean we have no idea what this is to be

21:48

honest they spent 10 minutes up there and we learned

21:50

nothing so who knows

21:53

I guess I like you know a death

21:55

stranding and to a certain extent Metal Gear

21:57

has elements of horror to them you know

22:00

They've got the fear factor to a

22:02

certain degree so I can

22:04

see the right look Mm-hmm, it's ugly not been

22:06

a scarier game than PT like if you count

22:08

that as a game What

22:11

else Kojima did say was what I can

22:13

say right now is it's not just Jordan

22:15

I have other creative partners with me on

22:18

board this project I can't really

22:20

say who they are right now, but I

22:22

tell you they are legends and they are

22:24

amazing Oh, it theorize who it pick one

22:26

of these legends who is working. It could

22:28

be anyone it could be seal Yeah

22:32

Like I could see him working with C

22:34

a lot of game. It's a shame. We've already picked the ending

22:37

music I'd love kiss my rose at the end. I Reckon

22:40

he's working with an AI of

22:42

David Bowie. Oh Do

22:46

we I he is absolutely the sort of

22:48

creator that will commune with a dead spirit

22:50

via an AI I see I have one

22:52

he wants I think he actually just wants

22:54

to meet them Right like an AI doesn't

22:57

mean that he gets to take a photo

22:59

with them. Right? That's true Mm-hmm. Yeah, it'll

23:01

be around like, you know how death stranding

23:03

He's like obsessed with getting the original bionic

23:05

woman in it as much as possible It's

23:07

to be a random be like David Hasselhoff.

23:09

It'll be someone completely just off

23:12

the wall But they're

23:14

legends apparently who knows when

23:16

we'll see this game or this new form of

23:18

media He said

23:20

he's taking advantage of the like Microsoft cloud

23:22

technology So that's the only real light tease

23:25

we had of what this could

23:27

be. I don't know from that teaser

23:29

It looked quite unsettling. So I'm looking

23:31

forward to the fishes that swim independently

23:34

upstream Another

23:38

game that sounds monster hunter wilds, which

23:40

essentially once on to world 2 kind

23:42

of it's the next big monster hunter

23:44

game, right? I'm not a

23:47

huge I played like 20 odd hours of month hunter

23:49

world enjoyed it enough I can never call myself a

23:51

big month hunter fan, but I know Matt you you

23:53

do enjoy some months on through is that right? We

23:56

both do don't we do you Matt?

23:58

I am less so monster I

24:00

do I like the look of this one

24:02

mainly because I like the the jumping around

24:04

but I don't have a huge Back

24:08

history with not Santa. I

24:10

play them all when they come out And I

24:12

like I've got like a

24:14

group of lads that play them

24:16

like pretty solidly and they always

24:18

get way ahead of me And I'm like, oh, well,

24:21

do I have you come in and do the

24:23

little missions with me and basically just waste your time? And

24:26

it really puts me off and so every time I

24:28

buy one and I'm like, all right This one's gonna

24:30

be the one I'm gonna keep up to pace with

24:32

everybody Always forced by the wayside

24:34

but this time forget all that. I

24:38

Really believe it this time. This one's gonna be the one Yeah,

24:41

I mean, I'll like like you said, I'll probably give

24:43

it a go and it comes out it look very

24:45

pretty I like to look like it has almost like

24:48

I don't know extreme like weather effects going on in

24:50

this one Maybe you're battling against the weather as well

24:52

as these It was the mount

24:54

thing that got me like I've been on that

24:56

kind of like little Griffin style thing that was

24:58

like bounding from Rock to rock that's

25:01

the I know that they had mounts in months

25:03

on a rise and they they got like cuz

25:05

you ride on The your dog. Palomir. Yeah So

25:08

so it kind of like looks like the

25:10

I guess the HD or not the monster

25:12

No rises and HD, but you know what?

25:14

I mean, they're kind of like the 4k

25:17

big graphics boy version of that Yeah,

25:19

I mean it's all

25:22

looks great. It's 2025. I think this one.

25:24

I think it was that we had mentioned

25:26

before this Podcast like

25:28

a lot of these games were either 2025

25:30

or like the next three months like the

25:32

in between like later next year

25:34

We're still I don't know. There will be things

25:36

but do you think that's about do you think

25:38

that is just the like expanding scale? Of game

25:40

development or do you think everybody's like? 2024

25:44

is a weird number. Let's just that's just a year

25:46

off I think there will be plenty of stuff towards

25:48

in this year's just They'll announce

25:50

those later like for like this

25:52

show is right for like this you want

25:54

to you want to play a

25:56

big Glass you the shadow drop or you

25:58

announce something huge and inherently huge

26:00

is they're gonna take longer to make yeah yeah

26:03

that's why we're waiting i think and

26:05

one of those that not technically shadow

26:07

dropped but in four days there's

26:10

new uh dlc coming to god of

26:12

war ragnarok free dlc god of war

26:14

ragnarok valhalla they're just sticking more viking

26:16

words on the end of the name

26:19

um if you go back and watch that

26:21

trailer they really hang on the 2023 of

26:25

the announcement or it's just it kind of sticks

26:27

there for a little while it's very fun very

26:29

cheesy it's quite dry actually this

26:32

is a like i said free

26:34

dlc for god of war ragnarok it serves as

26:36

an epilogue so it is recommended that

26:39

you don't play this if you haven't finished the story

26:41

of god of war ragnarok but you can trigger it

26:43

just from the start of the game i believe you

26:45

don't have to make any progression in it um it's

26:48

a roguelite game so the details here

26:50

it says embark with kratos to valhalla

26:53

on a deeply personal and reflective journey

26:55

towards a future he never thought possible

26:57

uh in the description of the trailer

26:59

it says master challenges of mind and

27:02

body on our unraveling adventure that blends

27:04

the beloved combat from god of war

27:06

ragnarok with brand new elements inspired by

27:08

the roguelite genre so playstation

27:11

are doing this recently so next

27:13

month we've got the last of us part

27:15

one part two sorry remastered which comes with

27:17

a new roguelite mode is this their new

27:20

thing now like they're just releasing new roguelite

27:22

modes for all their games they like returnals

27:24

so much maybe i guess

27:26

there's a certain amount of kind of like roguelikes

27:29

are i'm not saying

27:31

that they're developmentally easy but you

27:34

you use difficulty right to get the most

27:36

out of a smaller package you can reuse

27:38

all your enemies your assets like it is

27:40

a clever way of doing it and do

27:42

you know what i'm of course going to

27:44

play this because i think god of war

27:46

ragnarok's combat is just by itself just incredible

27:48

to play but the fact that they've teased

27:51

that there is extra story content and it does

27:53

serve as like the right like the end of

27:55

this journey and maybe a tease

27:58

or the future is who knows Yeah,

28:01

it's four days away. I just I don't know am

28:03

I gonna play it when it comes up straight away

28:05

I don't know. I only got a week more off

28:07

before Christmas. I'm gonna wait till then I'm

28:10

just glad there was I was really worried at one

28:12

point It was like a full-on expansion coming next week

28:14

and I'd have to review it I'm

28:16

so happy that that isn't the case because I

28:19

really want to wind down Also,

28:21

there is so much in Ragnarok. I don't

28:24

think an expansion is needed No,

28:26

that's true I did I think

28:29

my prediction last week was that

28:31

we'd get like the an actual like in-between game

28:33

Like a god or like a one that we've

28:35

been easy style Yeah, I thought I was right

28:37

for a second, but I

28:39

wasn't I was wrong Matt

28:42

Perzlow this one's for you. It's always a

28:44

treat for you when you see that arcane

28:46

logo pop up, isn't it? Especially the knocking

28:48

arcane Leon as well, you know, kind of

28:50

like a big fan of that studio Exactly.

28:53

The dishonored boys and the death loot boys

28:55

are back and they're making

28:58

a blade game Yeah, what's

29:01

your thoughts? I mean no one expected

29:03

this I mean the idea of initially

29:05

the idea of arcane doing a licensed

29:07

game sort of makes my skin crawl

29:09

because they're such a Visionary

29:12

studio with their own kind of ideas

29:15

that why why would you want to have them

29:17

tied up? But when you see

29:19

the excitement that's on dingoes face and sort

29:21

of like his ability, you know He chats

29:23

about like he's got dual heritage himself. Wait,

29:26

wait, he did do a little spin kick

29:28

on stage Like it's you

29:30

know, he's an it's an excited guy and sort of seen

29:32

his tweets about it as well it's

29:35

definitely a game that I think they pitched and

29:37

you know, he's got a lot of passion for

29:39

blade as a character and The

29:42

main thing the the two main things that

29:44

got me is that in the trailer the

29:47

trailer has the arcane art style you know,

29:49

it's not necessarily as fully

29:52

stylistic as Dishonored

29:54

but it's got that kind of you

29:56

know, the Sebastian mitten art style to it. Yeah,

29:59

and then all Like

32:00

why would you do, or actually I guess

32:02

that would be really boring if you had a day and night

32:04

cycle in a vampire game. I mean, not a dude during the

32:06

day. I mean, the one question I have

32:08

is, do you think it'll be open world or do you

32:10

think it'll be like, definitely like pockets? There's

32:13

so much levels. There's so much better at

32:15

level design, aren't they, rather? Well, I mean,

32:17

I don't know what they're like at world

32:19

design because I've not seen them build an

32:21

open world, but all of their games historically

32:23

have been level focused, right? There's only... I

32:26

mean, death loops, like, they're kind of

32:28

like hubs, right? Yeah, yeah. Obviously

32:31

kind of like Redfall is an open world, but

32:33

obviously that is built by the Arkane... I

32:36

mean, Arkane have a great record of the vampires at the

32:38

moment, don't they? Well, I must say, like, it

32:40

is... It's worth what not

32:42

to do. Yeah, the Blade thing is

32:44

initially quite surprising because it's like, oh,

32:46

you're going to put another vampire game

32:48

out with the Arkane logo on it,

32:51

which there's a potential element there that

32:53

might not be... That might have a

32:55

little bit of backlash for them, but

32:58

ultimately these games were almost certainly in

33:00

development simultaneously, right? And they wouldn't have

33:02

known the reception to Redfall. Oh,

33:05

you guys are the vampires, studio. But

33:07

it's not of what people said for years, right? Arkane,

33:10

one of the most talented studios in the

33:12

world, like, make consistently Redfall-sized, consistently,

33:14

critically adored games, but they don't

33:16

really sell that well. Stick

33:18

a marble... Black marble blade, yeah, exactly. This is...

33:21

That's going to sell. This is the one that could be. And

33:23

particularly, you know, there was no...

33:25

surprisingly a lack of Xbox branding on

33:28

this, but presumably it's going

33:30

to be an Xbox exclusive with... Yes, for

33:32

sure. On Game Pass. It might be

33:34

one of those that, like, you play that and you're like, I love this.

33:37

Where do I go from here? And then suddenly

33:39

there's, you know, Dishonored is your next one along,

33:41

right? And it might create, like, a bit of

33:43

a back catalogue boom for them. Yeah.

33:46

I think that was probably...

33:48

Probably my most exciting reveal from the show, I think,

33:50

that one. Interesting as well, like,

33:52

thinking about the timing of this is strange,

33:54

given the, like, productionist and the Hershula movie.

33:57

Like, do you think that they probably... thought

33:59

that would be further on them along in

34:01

production fix probably it might even be out

34:04

possibly yeah and you'd have like the oh you've

34:06

seen blade this year or you're being blade in

34:09

the next three months then get ready for the

34:11

game you seen blade on the big screen slightly

34:16

smaller one speaking

34:18

of the big screen japacica

34:20

was gonna say Jurassic Park

34:23

survival I think it could

34:25

be really good yeah

34:27

I my instant reactions

34:29

were and I still haven't seen anything that kind

34:32

of differs from this too much it kind of

34:34

looks a bit like alien isolation but Jurassic Park

34:36

exactly what I got from it to the point

34:38

where you know that there's about there's only about

34:41

what 20 seconds of actual gameplay in this trailer

34:43

if that which I think

34:45

does make it look a lot like alien

34:47

isolation but Jurassic Park but I was getting

34:49

that vibe from the general like

34:51

CG cinematic at the start and I

34:53

was like if this turns out to be

34:56

an alien isolation game but you're hiding from

34:58

dinosaurs instead I will be very

35:00

happy sick and then and then what they

35:02

did was they showed a first-person survival horror

35:04

game where it seems like you have to

35:07

hide from dinosaurs and you just say clever

35:09

girl every time there yeah it's gonna be

35:11

an achievement that pops up inevitably

35:13

exactly the yeah the details we've

35:15

got is it's an action adventure

35:17

with both stealth and action gameplay

35:20

it takes place on island uber

35:22

just one day after the events

35:24

of the original Jurassic Park with

35:26

protagonist dr. Maya Joshi stranded on

35:28

the island alone sugar premise you

35:31

know all that's gone down and then you're

35:33

left to deal with everything that's like let

35:35

loose in that park yeah

35:39

I mean it's Jurassic Park not that you

35:41

know Jurassic Park games don't have a great track

35:43

record no also this

35:46

one has this was announced not

35:48

this 20 yeah like and obviously

35:50

this is not the same development

35:52

you know it's it's picking

35:54

up that title I guess and it's

35:56

no clear like if it is even

35:58

roughly the similar to the original

36:00

design document. But it is quite cool that games from

36:02

that era, imagine if

36:06

they also announced a trespasser, like another

36:09

direct flight trespasser, but having that jumping

36:12

back to when those games were kind

36:15

of big-ish. Exactly.

36:17

This is made, it's not being made by Create with

36:19

Samba, it's not made by the Alien, I suppose you

36:21

should see it, it's being made by Saber Interactive,

36:23

who are doing Space Marine 2, which has

36:25

been delayed till next September, but I imagine

36:28

you're still very excited for that one.

36:30

Maybe Saber, are we coming in a little studio

36:33

of yours to look out for? Maybe. Maybe.

36:35

Get a tattoo of Saber Interactive on

36:37

your back. Light

36:41

No Fire is

36:43

the new game from Hallo Games.

36:45

Sean Murray walks out and goes,

36:47

this is maybe more ambitious than

36:49

No Man's Sky and everyone simultaneously

36:51

just goes, oh no. This

36:53

is an open world game

36:56

in the most literal sense

36:58

of the world, word even. You're

37:01

playing on a full-size

37:04

planet Earth, essentially, and

37:07

everyone's in there. I'm not

37:09

quite sure what you're doing,

37:11

but you're working together, but it's

37:13

a procedural open

37:16

planet. Just

37:18

from the looks of it, it looked very No Man's

37:20

Sky, just like the art design of it, the

37:23

way the people move, you can

37:25

ride dragons, there's literal mountains, the

37:28

relative size of actual

37:30

mountains. I think you said taller

37:32

than Everest. I'm

37:37

not quite sure what you're doing in this game, but I have

37:39

to say, I was impressed by what I saw. My

37:42

initial thought on it was, it looks

37:44

a lot like what No

37:46

Man's Sky looks like today,

37:48

but with a fantasy vibe

37:50

rather than, No Man's

37:52

Sky eventually got updated to have all of

37:54

these mounts and these collaborative

37:56

tools and all of that sort of

37:59

stuff. very

40:00

as he was in the original. How

40:03

do you feel about the song? Is that a song from the original

40:05

or is that just a new song? No,

40:07

there's no songs with lyrics in the original. You don't

40:09

get a song with lyrics until Final Fantasy VIII, which

40:11

is eyes on me, which is very lovely. But

40:15

Final Fantasy does have this kind of thing now

40:17

where they like to have kind of big musical

40:19

numbers. I'm less

40:22

fussed about that. I didn't

40:24

particularly like the big sort

40:26

of musical theme they had for Seven Remake and

40:28

I'm not a massive fan of the... They seem

40:30

to have been doing this since Final Fantasy XIII,

40:32

I think, where they had Leona Lewis do

40:35

the big music for it. What's

40:37

that blast from the past? It's

40:39

something that they can indulge in that I

40:42

don't massively care about. Give me the original

40:44

score for Seven, sort of all brassed off

40:46

and that's good enough for me. I

40:49

mean, yeah. Look forward to this game. Not

40:51

much more to say really. Only a couple months away. Look

40:53

forward to playing it. Lost Records, Bloom

40:55

and Rage, new game from Don't Nod,

40:58

very much in the Life is Strange mould.

41:00

That sounds like the title sounds

41:02

like something that a lad down the pub would say

41:04

instead of swearing. What, Bloom and

41:07

Rage? A little

41:09

like you play as kind of... It almost had a little bit of...

41:13

God, what's the TV show that I've completed? Yellow

41:15

Jackets. A little bit of that vibe going on,

41:17

like a group of women recounting a tragic event

41:19

that happened 20 years in the past. Obviously

41:22

some weird supernatural stuff going on. But the

41:25

bit that I liked was just that they

41:27

were all in a band and the music

41:29

sounded pretty good. So I'm not actually a

41:31

huge Life is Strange fan at all really,

41:34

but this one, I don't know, this caught

41:36

my attention. I'm into this. It looked, I

41:38

think we said earlier, it just stood out

41:40

because it seemed like 70% of the game

41:43

show at this showcase were kind of like dark sci-fi

41:45

games and this was just like a nice bright colourful

41:47

game. Yeah, I do like Life is Strange so I'm

41:49

always kind of pulled to that. But my only thing,

41:52

it got a little bit of Paper Girls, which is

41:55

a comic book

41:57

that I really like and it got a little bit of

41:59

that vibe too. which is again is kind of like a

42:01

group of kind of teenage

42:03

girls that get into weird sci-fi mystery shit

42:05

and then have their older selves are also

42:07

part of the story as well so because

42:10

it got a little bit of that to

42:12

it and I just love anything where people

42:14

look down a deep well and a magenta

42:16

light kind of shines up anything that's got

42:18

that kind of cool lighting effect

42:20

to it. I think it's another

42:23

choice based adventure so it's going to be similar

42:25

gameplay I think to sound like life is I'll

42:27

take it yeah I'll take it looks

42:30

interesting Sega turned up and

42:32

said remember all these games we used

42:34

to make well we're making new ones

42:36

so we saw little clips of a

42:38

new jet set radio shinobi gold axe

42:40

streets of rage and crazy taxi the

42:43

one that said that for me was crazy

42:45

taxi oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I'll

42:48

drive around and pick up people really quickly

42:50

it is really funny in retrospect everybody was

42:52

like oh it's going to be a new

42:55

Virtua fighter it's like it's not that but

42:57

it's literally everything else exactly as every other

42:59

game they've made um and jet

43:01

set radio look good I've never actually got into

43:03

jet set radio but was like the idea of

43:05

it so there may be this will finally be

43:07

my time to get into jet set radio but

43:10

yeah we don't really know much more than

43:12

that about those so I guess

43:14

we'll move on to big walk then I

43:16

watched the trailer for big walk I did

43:19

the uh new game I think this

43:22

looks delightful it just looks

43:24

mad I just love games they're just mad

43:27

it's that thing where it's got

43:30

a very realistic art style into the

43:32

world and I was like this is

43:34

not what I expect from the from

43:36

the goose game people and

43:39

then the character models turn up which

43:41

are basically just round

43:43

bits stepped on top of each other

43:45

to create weird little duck people there's

43:48

just like oh yeah I've got the

43:50

description here which is big walk is

43:52

a cooperative online multiplayer game where players

43:55

connect with their friends to go on

43:57

a walk together through the Australian bushland

43:59

particularly inspired by Wilson's Promontory

44:02

National Park. On

44:04

that walk they'll explore solve puzzles and be

44:06

tested as a group on their ability to

44:08

communicate. To help facilitate this big walk includes

44:10

a proximity voice chat system. Not

44:13

many games use proximity voice chat. There was a

44:15

little phase I think about like five or six

44:17

years ago where games like tried using it but

44:20

it's a good tool people should try using

44:22

it more. I don't know I'll walk through

44:24

a weird spherical bushland with you Matt. The

44:27

thing I really like is the trailer opened

44:29

up with a game for you and

44:31

your friends. I thought that was lovely.

44:33

There we go. That would be

44:35

saying so many games are just

44:37

like either dark sci-fi dark fantasies.

44:40

I like those games but sometimes you just want

44:42

a nice break and something like this you can

44:44

just you can just smile at you know what

44:46

I mean have a nice smile. In

44:49

the pre-show we got some bangers as well which

44:52

they just buried. I thought there was as many

44:54

good reveals in the pre-show including a remake of

44:56

Brothers which is a game I don't think necessarily

44:58

needs a remake because it's almost perfect. Quite honestly

45:00

I watched that trailer and I know that I

45:03

haven't played for a long time but I couldn't

45:05

really tell what the difference was. I just don't

45:07

think Brothers needed a 4k

45:10

remake. It looked pretty good. It had a

45:12

kind of pacing problem at the beginning like

45:15

I think it should have started. If I

45:17

remember right it doesn't really start when it

45:19

starts and I think that game's very short

45:21

too. So it's a strange complaint to make.

45:23

I would imagine though that kind of like

45:26

the change in it is purely the graphics

45:28

that have just made it look and it

45:30

had got a nice little stylized almost they

45:32

were like little toys weren't they was the

45:34

kind of vibe that I got from the

45:36

original and I just don't think that that

45:39

necessarily benefits from being remade with modern graphics.

45:41

If you haven't played Brothers it's the first

45:43

game from Joseph Ferris. You obviously might not

45:45

make it takes to. It's a really great

45:47

game. By the time I mean me I

45:50

might say it's his best work. I

45:52

think it's his best game probably. It's one of my favorite

45:54

games of that year and has

45:56

one of the most heartbreaking button presses in any

45:58

game. So enjoy! that if

46:00

you've not played Brothers before so yeah

46:03

that's coming in I think early next year

46:05

um but also revealed was Rise of the

46:07

Golden Idol didn't see this coming a

46:09

new like proper 3d like console

46:12

version not version like sequel to the

46:14

case of the Golden Idol um

46:17

we didn't really get any many more details

46:19

I think on this but the case

46:21

of the Golden Idol was one of the best puzzle games

46:23

of last year if you didn't play it um and yeah

46:25

excited to get more of that do you ever have you

46:27

played case of the Golden Idol? Nah it's not still on

46:29

my list uh get around

46:31

it's banging it's uh it's installed I

46:33

have been meaning to to play

46:35

it for a while because it definitely is my sort

46:37

of it's got a little bit of the point and

46:40

click about it hasn't it definitely it's

46:42

got a bit of that monk it's got

46:44

a bit yeah that silly humible so like

46:46

great it's a really just one of the

46:48

best detective games I think I've played like

46:50

trying to you feel so smart working that

46:52

game out I really do love it so

46:54

yeah case of the Golden Idol definitely play

46:56

that and yeah it's sequel Rise of the

46:58

Golden Idol get excited for that another sequel

47:00

Pony Island 2 Panda Circus from

47:03

Daniel Mullen's uh inscription one of my favorite games

47:05

of a couple years ago I would say it

47:07

is my favorite game of that year it is

47:09

yeah it is well it's my favorite game of

47:12

that yeah in fact maybe I misspoke but um

47:14

yeah this looks suitably just

47:16

bonkers is what you'd kind of expect

47:19

from Daniel Mullen's you watch

47:21

that turn you go I have no idea what

47:23

I'm going to be doing in this game but I'll play

47:25

it fantastic appearance by

47:27

Songwon Cho as well incredible

47:30

casting it's it's yeah

47:33

I don't like how do you I don't know how

47:35

you analyze this trailer apart from you I think you

47:37

either watch it and you go not for me or

47:39

you watch it you go yes let's have some of

47:41

that yeah um yeah I'll play

47:43

that you know I haven't actually played the original

47:45

Pony Island I need to go back it's worth

47:47

it um all of the stuff that you liked

47:49

from inscription it was like it was groundbreaking then

47:52

uh and then inscription

47:54

is more of a like you know

47:56

encapsulation and polished version yeah

47:59

I will go back and Check that out.

48:01

And lastly, the last reveal we're going to talk

48:03

about today is Thrasher,

48:06

this kind of spiritual sequel to

48:08

Thumper. If you've never played Thumper, especially

48:10

in VR, that is maybe my favorite

48:13

VR game, Thumper, because when

48:15

you're in that is the most oppressively

48:17

just great but

48:19

awful place to be. I

48:22

just love the note

48:24

here from, this is the

48:26

description of Thumper, from the artist and

48:28

composer behind the cult hit Thumper comes

48:31

Thrasher, a mind melting cosmic

48:33

racer, an essential audio visual experience.

48:35

Use fast paced gestural controls to

48:37

evolve your space eel from worm

48:39

to mega beast in a break

48:42

neck race for survival that begins

48:44

at the dawn of time. What

48:46

more do you want? Exactly.

48:51

The Thumper soundtrack is just so good. I don't

48:55

know if either of you are Thumper boys, but I'm

48:57

a big Thumper boy. I've not played it, I'm afraid.

49:00

Get some headphones on, whack it up.

49:03

And if you've got a VR headset, get it

49:05

on that. I do. Get lost in that. It

49:07

is just absorbing. It is so

49:09

good. And I don't know if Thrasher is

49:11

going to be VR at all, but I'll

49:13

play the hell out of

49:16

it. I'm thinking about getting a VR

49:18

headset because Umurangi Generation just got announced

49:20

that there's a VR mode or

49:23

VR version coming out. What is that Matt?

49:25

You never play Umurangi Generation? I have not.

49:27

Oh my god, it's fantastic. It's a like,

49:30

it's a photography game about the end of

49:33

the world and it's just

49:35

about people that are kind of living

49:37

their lives like just, you know,

49:39

hanging out while all this bad shit is happening. It

49:42

is totally up your street, mate. I will

49:44

have a look at that.

49:48

Let's know what you're excited for. I would actually, do you know

49:51

what? I'll be honest with you, I think

49:53

from next week onwards we're doing like our end of the

49:55

year awards episode. So I don't know if I'd love much

49:57

more time for feedback the rest of this year, but um,

49:59

we'll be doing that. doing our alternative film

50:01

awards, alternative game awards, alternative TV

50:03

awards. Let us know some of your

50:05

alternative awards you want to give out. I just want, I don't want

50:08

to hear what your best game, your best film of the year is.

50:10

I want to hear, I don't know, the best sandwich

50:12

you saw in a TV show this year, something

50:14

like that. Let us know and maybe we'll read

50:17

some out on our award shows, which we

50:19

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50:21

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52:51

Jay, you got the first one. I

52:53

do, don't I? Good

52:56

day, IDN. UK crude. Did

52:58

I say IDN? I don't know. Hmm. We're

53:01

IDN, though. I'm not going to take another take

53:03

of that. You can just have that. Oh, we're going. I

53:06

just wanted to provide some feedback

53:08

on last week's episode. Firstly, move

53:10

over Crocodile Dundee, Neighbours and Fosters,

53:12

which Aussies don't actually drink. Our

53:15

new rightful number one export is Bluey.

53:18

Whether it's a nostalgia hit with a flashback to being a

53:20

kid in the 80s, a trip to Bunnings, which is

53:22

the hardware chain, which I think I've only heard

53:24

of because of... Do you know about democracy sausages,

53:26

by the way, the two of you? Please

53:29

tell. I'll give you this isn't part of

53:31

the email. Because voting

53:33

in elections is mandatory in

53:35

Australia, the police will come round

53:38

to your house and make you go vote. But

53:40

Bunnings is where you do it, I think. And

53:43

so they put sausages outside. So

53:46

after you've voted, you go and eat

53:48

a sausage. Eat a sausage. Yeah, yeah.

53:50

Fair enough. I mean, every day. Or

53:53

unless I've completely made this up, maybe that's one of

53:55

those jokes that Australians tell you, like drop bears. We're

53:58

going to get so many emails next week. What

54:00

nonsense. Yeah, anyway or

54:02

a story about infertility Each

54:05

episode remind that has something that hits

54:07

the emotions or laughs for adults Cardi

54:09

I highly recommend you watch a few

54:11

episodes maybe start with cricket which was

54:13

really voted the best episode I

54:15

do love some cricket now on to

54:18

strange foods our honeymoon My

54:20

wife and I stayed in an onsen in Japan out in

54:22

the middle of nowhere at dinner one

54:24

night They served up some sashini and we

54:26

had to inform them. We didn't eat fish

54:28

their reply was it's okay It's chicken

54:31

with fear of food poisoning. We ate it and it

54:33

was actually delicious I guess if there's

54:35

one person I would trust to serve up raw chicken

54:37

be a Japanese chef on another

54:39

trip to Japan We're at dinner with our boss

54:42

and served up an appetizer of a small white

54:44

mixture in a bowl That looks extremely suspicious after

54:46

a game of charades with our boss who didn't

54:48

speak English Our concerns were validated as it turned

54:50

out to be whale sperm Needless

54:52

to say we passed on that one Keep up the

54:54

good work and respect the ocean and all things in

54:57

it including whale sperm That wasn't part of the email

54:59

as me Roto in Torquay

55:01

Australia. I think I probably would have passed

55:04

on that. I don't see is there much

55:06

need to eat that I Mean

55:08

maybe this is ridiculous We

55:12

should maybe we said it's not a mistranslation

55:15

there. Maybe it is sperm whale maybe

55:17

yeah, they're not whale sperm I

55:19

had whale when I was out there Maybe

55:22

this is a mistranslation. It was sperm whale.

55:24

Yeah, I don't know whales. All right.

55:26

It's not worth killing them for Whalesperm

55:29

Matt Pezlo tell me why would you

55:31

eat whale sperm? I'm just You

55:34

know, I don't I don't want to cast Negative

55:37

like elements on other cultures. So I

55:39

won't think about I just don't like

55:41

the idea of harvesting whale sperm It's

55:47

a fair concern to have a thing to be

55:49

fair I Said

55:52

last week I check out below II I still haven't I've

55:54

been very busy Okay, and I've been watching all the jackass

55:56

films back to back. So Maybe

55:58

I'll watch them bluey this week Are you trying

56:00

to fit any wild boys in there as well? Maybe

56:03

I'll go for all of them wild boys, Dave

56:05

Sanchez, Viva La BAM. Yeah, just

56:07

go, just pretend I'm in 2001 again. Simpler

56:13

times. I've

56:15

got a short and sweet email here from David

56:17

Meese, he says, Hey guys, first

56:19

time long time and all that. A new crisp

56:22

has hit the market that just blows most of

56:24

the others out of the water. The

56:26

McCoy's Chip Shop Curry Sauce. They have

56:28

a wonderful flavor that lingers on the

56:30

tongue. Then a nice afterburn that leaves

56:32

you tingling for quite a while after.

56:35

It's a must try. Respect the sea, respect

56:38

the grave diggers and duck hunt. This

56:40

is good, we always like to be alerted

56:43

of new crisp products on the market. I

56:45

did a little bit of research, it turns

56:47

out not just the new Chip Shop Curry

56:50

Sauce flavor of McCoy's, which does look quite

56:52

intriguing. But also they have a

56:54

new Bangin BBQ flavor, which I'd also like

56:56

to test out, I think. What

56:58

makes a Bangin? That's what

57:00

it just says, it just says Bangin. Who

57:03

knows? Anyone tried

57:05

these? Not yet, let's do

57:07

it. Actually, we should

57:09

keep a list of everything we get recommended. We should do it

57:11

in the final episode of the year. Maybe

57:13

next week, I think next week we might

57:15

all be in the office for our Christmas party. So I

57:18

might have a little look around Sainsbury's or Tesco's to see

57:20

if they've got a Chip Shop or a Bangin BBQ. I

57:22

try these new McCoy's out. I normally... I

57:25

used to be a flame girl's fake McCoy's man, but now I

57:28

tend to go for the salt and vinegar. I

57:30

don't know how you feel about that. Matt,

57:32

you looked worried there almost. Oh no, I don't

57:34

mind the salt, they're very punchy, aren't they? I

57:37

must say... Oh yeah, I love a

57:39

punchy look. I don't mind McCoy's, but they are very,

57:41

very thick to the point where your teeth is just

57:43

full of mashed potato by the end of it. The

57:46

thicker the better, that's what I say. Sure,

57:48

if that's your vibe. Yeah,

57:51

there we go. Got

57:53

any opinions on McCoy's? Other Matt? I love

57:56

a salt and vinegar McCoy's mate. There we

57:58

go. Good. sort

58:00

of chat we need to be having more often. I've

58:03

got one more email. Other

58:05

Matt. Okay, this one is from Kai

58:08

McKenzie who says, Hi IGN UK team.

58:11

Me and my partner started the squid game game show

58:13

on a whim and we were in the same boat

58:15

as you guys seem to be in that we thought

58:17

that everyone who had applied was stupid and missed the

58:19

message of the original show. However,

58:21

we have been pulled. We have been pulled. They

58:23

weren't going to get killed. Yeah,

58:27

but you know, however, we've been pulled back watching a

58:29

couple of episodes each time that we're able to spend

58:31

some time together. And while there are

58:33

some people on the show who we've grown to like,

58:35

specifically the mother son duo and

58:38

the Gambu gang, I

58:40

think we specifically watch it in the hopes that

58:42

the people we actively dislike put through the wringer.

58:45

You made me want to ask, are there

58:47

any shows fictional or reality that you guys

58:49

have watched mainly to see characters that you

58:51

don't like fail? My picks would

58:53

be the most recent season of

58:56

Married at First Sight Australia and Love

58:58

is Blind season one. For

59:00

a fictional series, it would be Power and

59:02

Normal People in brackets. I know Normal People

59:05

is quite highly rated by the general public,

59:07

but the combination of poor decision making and

59:10

lack of communication by Marianne and Connell frustrated

59:12

me like crazy. Respect the C Kai McKenzie.

59:17

I absolutely adore Normal People. I can't

59:19

say I ever felt bad about those

59:21

characters. I think they're suffering

59:23

from emotional trauma and probably

59:26

mental health issues. But yeah,

59:28

it's a very good reflection of the

59:31

human condition, which is traumatic for the

59:33

best of us. Yeah.

59:37

But all their shows, I think it is mainly

59:39

like real life like game shows or quiz shows

59:41

where I want people to fail. Like I don't

59:43

know if you've recently, and this is going to

59:45

show you how my kind of 5pm onwards

59:47

go most weekdays when I'm kind of working

59:51

still, but there's like TV on

59:53

in the background. So definitely rebooted

59:55

deal on Odile with podcast favourite

59:57

Stephen Moulburn. my

1:00:00

parents here the weekend yes learnt that it was

1:00:02

real at that point. He's a

1:00:04

poor host like don't get me wrong not a fan

1:00:07

of Noel Edmonds but at least he bought an heir

1:00:09

of like three and got some

1:00:11

riddance. Yeah he could like kind

1:00:13

of you always thought oh maybe sound evil is

1:00:15

gonna happen here I still might learn it's all

1:00:17

just a bit like you're trying to aren't

1:00:19

you mate. But

1:00:22

deal or no deal is a show where I

1:00:24

consistently find myself wanting everyone to just get 1p

1:00:27

because it's I think it's the way they

1:00:29

all like these people have known each other for like hours

1:00:31

and they're all like oh we're

1:00:34

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1:00:36

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1:00:38

people that are like the best moments are when

1:00:40

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1:00:43

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1:00:45

you I know it is and they open it it's

1:00:47

like 100 grand you're like you didn't know anything they

1:00:50

stretch this 10 minute show into an hour

1:00:52

there's gonna be going on a rant about

1:00:54

deal or no deal stretch out into a

1:00:56

full hour and they're like oh what are

1:00:58

your tactics there are no tactics you're opening

1:01:01

random boxes of numbers in like I would

1:01:03

just go on that show and just say

1:01:05

I'm gonna keep this box let's open them

1:01:07

all and I'll just have whatever's in here

1:01:09

doesn't it take like hours to play like

1:01:11

in the actual studio it's an hours and

1:01:13

hours long process it's ridiculous you're opening 20

1:01:15

boxes it's absolutely ridiculous I

1:01:17

do that on Christmas Day in like a

1:01:19

half hour so yeah there's my big rant

1:01:22

about deal or no deal and how I

1:01:24

want everybody's on it to say yeah

1:01:27

he's weird that like just

1:01:30

scientifically nothing is happening there's genuinely no drama

1:01:32

that you can just open boxes and then

1:01:34

you'll be offered an amount which is probably

1:01:36

not enough and you'll go now carry on

1:01:38

cheers yeah I guess that's it but like

1:01:40

prisoners dilemma of like oh how do I

1:01:42

do I stop now or do I keep

1:01:45

going I guess is the only thing I

1:01:47

get yeah like that there is a bit

1:01:49

of entry to that place yeah the people

1:01:51

that come in with like I've got tactics

1:01:53

just like what tactics they're

1:01:55

random numbers you're picking numbers of

1:01:58

like oh god that you Yeah,

1:02:00

deal no no deal. That's when I get to me. Do you

1:02:02

hate anyone on? Like I hate

1:02:04

anyone on the other hotel Not

1:02:07

with this newfound burning hate that you

1:02:09

have for people Another

1:02:13

one is the chase. Are you familiar with the chain? I

1:02:15

am familiar with the chase. It's a good show I enjoy

1:02:17

the chase think it's a very good quiz show But

1:02:20

the people that annoy me are the people

1:02:22

that are on the panel and

1:02:25

if you don't know how the chase works You

1:02:27

you ask some questions and then you're you can

1:02:29

take on these like really smart quiz people Quizzes

1:02:33

basically and you're offered either a Medium

1:02:35

amount a small amount or a high amount of

1:02:37

money to go for if you go for the

1:02:40

higher amount you have to basically They have one

1:02:42

more Question head start on you

1:02:44

so it's harder to get the higher amount It's the

1:02:46

people that are on your team that go oh you

1:02:48

should go for the higher amount Definitely go for the higher

1:02:50

amount and then they get to their turn and they take

1:02:52

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1:02:55

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1:02:57

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1:02:59

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1:03:02

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1:03:04

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1:03:07

we go this podcast taking a turn It's

1:03:09

never late on a game show as well

1:03:11

There's a question about games or whatever and

1:03:13

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1:03:15

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1:03:17

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1:03:19

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1:03:21

you yeah What color

1:03:24

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1:03:26

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1:03:29

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1:03:31

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1:03:33

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1:03:35

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1:03:38

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1:03:40

I know you can get very angry with the other people

1:03:42

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1:03:44

yeah, anyway, what makes you

1:03:46

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1:03:49

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1:03:51

gonna do There's

1:03:54

not enough anger in games criticism. So

1:03:56

yeah, we don't really write a feature

1:03:58

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1:04:00

on why Deal or No Deal is on

1:04:02

floor. Anyway, I'm so sorry if you listen

1:04:04

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1:04:06

Deal in that few weeks but I probably

1:04:08

will root for you to get temped. Yeah,

1:04:11

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1:04:13

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1:04:16

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1:04:20

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1:04:22

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1:04:24

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1:04:26

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1:04:28

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1:04:30

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1:04:32

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1:04:34

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1:04:37

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1:04:39

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1:04:41

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1:04:45

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