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Bonsior and welcome

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to the IGN UK podcast. I am

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Simon Cardew with me this week is Emma Matthews.

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Hello. Hello. And Matt

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Jones. You can't see it because it's an audio

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medium but we're all wearing tricorn hats. Oh

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yeah we are. We're all very much in

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a Napoleonic mood at the moment.

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That's because

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I'm going to talk a bit about Napoleon and a bit. This is

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a very film and TV heavy episode.

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So if you're looking for games chat

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you are very little bit this week. I'm just warning you don't

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turn off because it's going to be good stuff but you know frankly

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not really had time to play any games this week

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and John kind of played so many new games

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to work recently. Whether it's reviewing them or doing

0:47

features that you know I kind of I've already been

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in the mood to play this week. The only games I really played

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this week is I read downloaded

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the whole of Red Dead Redemption 2 which is what

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I needed 130 gigabytes of space just to

0:59

play dominoes. Oh my God.

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I wanted to play the dominoes so badly I was

1:03

like I'm going to download this for a couple hours

1:06

just to play dominoes. I played a few hand of poker

1:08

as well. Was it worth it?

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Do you know what it was fantastic. I put on a podcast

1:12

and played dominoes and poker for a couple hours. I had a

1:15

lovely time. I loved playing poker in the

1:17

first one because like cheating was so easy

1:19

like slipping a like a good card into

1:21

your lap to play it later. Like it's.

1:23

I just I just love

1:25

being in that world so much. Walking

1:28

around I have a save where

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I'm as Arthur just walking around St.

1:32

Denis playing dominoes and poker

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against old men. That was lovely. And

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also got football manager 24.

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I won't talk about that

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yet because I've hardly played it.

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But yeah films and TV. What have we got this week. We've got

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Napoleon like I said we've got Loki.

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We've got invincible. We got the

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killer. Maybe a couple of little things

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so let's start with Napoleon shall

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we because that's mainly what I've been

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doing this week. I took a lovely little trip to Paris.

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because I didn't know if you knew this Napoleon

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Emperor of France a couple

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hundred years ago a little history lesson I'm just

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learning this for the first time exactly

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Ridley Scott's new film big

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lad in E Ridley 86 in

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like a week or two years and still pumping out

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massive films like this happy birthday

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no happy birthday Ridley making gladiator 2

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on his birthday come of course

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that alien blade run at gladiator film and

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Louise black gort down kingdom of heaven the

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Martian all sorts made a lot of good films

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made a few not so good ones but it's

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Napoleon a good one that's why I hear you all asking

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so does anyone want to ask me that historically

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maybe not a good one yeah well that's

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true is it a good film though that's and the

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answer to that question is

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I think it is it is a good thing

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it's not here Ridley it's

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good I'd say it's good not great

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okay so Napoleon if you

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didn't know around for a good what empower

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well at the height of kind of the

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French scene for a good 20 to 30 years

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a couple hundred years ago and it's

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a big story to tell in the space of

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two and a half hours which is how long this film

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is what Ridley Scott I think his original cut was

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four hours and he loves doing this he releases a

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film and then a few years later it's like here's the actual

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version I wanted to release that's the thing

3:20

about kingdom of heaven which is a movie that I didn't

3:22

like but I saw it in theaters oh

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the director's that is superb

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but yeah I want to see the four

3:28

hour version this not because by

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any means the two-hour half hour version is bad

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but I feel like it did need that extra

3:35

room to breathe because it is zipping along

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at a pace which is no bad thing it definitely

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doesn't feel like a long film but that's just

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a lot of battle scenes near like

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you know going around the world following

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whacking Phoenix as Napoleon who is

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very good and kind of plays in with this almost

3:52

comedic edge you kind of get the sense that both

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he and Ridley and I actually spoke to Ridley

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Scott and whacking Phoenix when I was in Paris and

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they kind of I got feeling from both of them that they

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agreed very early on that

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he kind of they were gonna play him

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not as a fool but as kind

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of like agreeing that he was this military

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genius but in other aspects of his

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life he kind of was like a

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little bit of a fuck up like they

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like Wacking Phoenix like talks about this as like he

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could command whole armies of men and like

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countries and like wage war and conquer

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but just did not know how to talk to women

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at all and that kind of where the crux

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you do wage war do you

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like that napoleons a figure that like

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so much of the things that we think we know about him are

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made up by his enemies too exactly

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i can see this inversion of events just being

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like all right he kind of sucked though like

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if someone who didn't like him made it exactly

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it kind of rolls with that as well like Ridley

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Scott has like been a recorder if you seen the quotes in

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the last week where someone like noted

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the historical inacruses in this film and he just

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told them to get a life um

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it's a very much a

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it's you know it's fact is based in

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fact he went to these places he took

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them over he did bad things he

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won wars but then yeah

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there's a lot of embellishment very much taken

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i think mainly from a lot of the

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british sort of like caricatures

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of the time like painting napoleon as

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this slightly pathetic little

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man and it

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kind of rolls with that a bit it's not it's

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kind of taking the myth and legend

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of napoleon bone apart and rolling with that

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and spoilers british win in the end so

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you know history is told by

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the victors right so uh well done

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really scott is a british man so uh

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this is the story he's told i do like

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the film quite a bit the the battle

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scenes are amazing like as you'd expect

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with rickly scott he's kind of the master of war

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on film i suppose or like of recent

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years anyway you think of gladiator kingdom

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of heaven or even more modern military

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films like black court down he knows how to shoot

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large-scale action scenes

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and the battle scenes in particular

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the battle of Austerlitz which is a flight but probably

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his Napoleon's greatest victory looks

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stunning it's where takes place on a massive frozen

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lake and also the battle of Waterloo

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which do you know what disappointingly

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he didn't use ABBA over the top of it like

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he did at the end of the Martian bit

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of a cop it even sprinkle it in but

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yeah but yeah

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the kind of the crux of the film as well as these big

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battles is his relationship with Josephine

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his wife and kind of the whole struggle

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he had of seems to be like every

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single like kind

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of like historical king or emperor figure

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is always just obsessed of getting an

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heir right and like it's just

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basically the whole problem is

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he's in love like and him and Josephine you can tell

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from this film they're

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deeply in love but also Napoleon

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knows I need a son and she

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can't give him one and that

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is a cause of big frustration for him Josephine

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is played by Vanessa Kirby who

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is unbelievable in this film she is so

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good and Wrecking Fence is great

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as well but I think it's leaving this film it's Vanessa

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Kirby you think most about and yeah

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I think they're great to go on the screen and

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that's where the big it's where the best

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bits of the film are kind of their quiet moments

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I think where they're kind of like that's

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solemn moments but also some quite

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explosive moments between the two of

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them but I also think that's where the longer cut

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will benefit that relationship

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more because you can tell like

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they wanted to get all the big battles in this cut

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right to make it exciting but you kind

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of lose some of those quieter moments which although

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I don't think it completely side lines Josephine

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you kind of towards the end of her story

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she kind of just quickly is thrown out of the

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picture a little bit and you're like oh okay that's

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that's cool it's kind of done with so basically

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basically Napoleon I think is a good

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film as it is but could

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benefit in a few years from having a longer

8:06

cut which could make it a great film and it

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is an Apple TV film so maybe

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they will release downstream services if

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we're lucky. You guys

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gonna go see this? Yeah, I really

8:18

do wanna. I saw

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a lot of the trailer stuff and it looked very

8:22

impressive. I wanna get that on the biggest

8:24

screen I can. It

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does benefit from that. I know we made that joke. It would

8:29

be good to watch at home but yeah like I've

8:32

never for example gone to see like gladiator at the

8:35

cinema because I was too young when it first came out for

8:37

example but like I would love to

8:40

see that on the big screen but yeah this is as close

8:42

as you'll get to that. I think it does look very

8:44

impressive. Sounds amazing as well despite

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having no ABBA but what can

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you do? Yeah and yeah like I said

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I had a nice chat with Ridley had a video. It

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will go up tomorrow if you're listening to this on Friday

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where I asked him to pick a favourite shot from a load

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of his famous films which is you know kind of

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a pinch me moment for me to be able to talk to Ridley Scott

9:01

about Blade Runner and Alien and stuff. That's

9:04

pretty cool. That's pretty big. And

9:07

just yeah out of the blue like 30 seconds before

9:11

walking into a room I'm told oh

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Wacky Phoenix is in here. Do you wanna chat to him for 20 minutes?

9:16

I'm like okay

9:18

yeah sure. I had no questions. I wasn't told

9:20

I was getting him. So I was just like he was

9:22

just like sitting on a sofa

9:25

on a hoodie like jet lagged and I was just like

9:27

hey man. And he's like hey dude. I was just

9:29

like what do I talk to Wacky Phoenix

9:31

for 20 minutes. Luckily there was a couple

9:33

of journalists in the room so they took the lead because

9:35

they they knew about it and I didn't. What

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did you talk about? I

9:41

talked about working with Ridley and stuff

9:43

like that. I don't think I'll actually do anything with that interview.

9:45

And you're asking my favourite sandwiches. I

9:47

should have just said something stupid like that shouldn't

9:49

I. So yeah

9:52

what's your favourite colour? It'd

9:55

be really funny to get Ridley Scott in a movie and just

9:57

be like in a room and just be like. a

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replicant or just

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completely throw it. Yeah, just do the

10:04

most basic Ridley

10:07

questions of all time like, yeah, what

10:09

do you think about the sequels to your films? Yeah.

10:13

Anyway, Napoleon, I'd recommend it. Not

10:16

one of my favourite films of the year, but I'd

10:18

give it a like seven. I think it's good. Good film. Loki

10:24

is something that I did enjoy season one of quite

10:26

a bit on the old Disney Plus, but

10:28

I think like many people, I've kind of fallen off the whole

10:31

MCU and to an extent, Disney outputting

10:34

or output last year or so. But

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Emma, you've watched Loki season two, and

10:39

I've heard a lot of good things from people. So

10:41

maybe, maybe I should jump back in. Is that

10:43

the case? I

10:44

liked it. I think the season is

10:46

good. I think it feels quite

10:48

different to season one,

10:50

you know, season one, sort of obviously

10:53

it was building up to something big, but it

10:55

was there was still like a lot of time for,

10:58

you know, Loki being a bit of a trickster.

11:00

The kind of like on screen like

11:03

friendship that he builds with Owen Wilson

11:05

is really good as well. He's like,

11:07

I think his name is Mobius. I

11:09

really liked that with them. But yeah, this season feels

11:11

way more serious. There's way more on

11:13

the line and it has to move like quite quickly

11:16

to get to where it wants to get. But

11:19

that's not necessarily a bad thing. But I

11:21

think one thing that's really good

11:23

with and this is a problem I have with like Marvel

11:25

in general at the moment, is that

11:27

we keep getting a load of movies and shows where

11:30

they don't fully end. It's kind

11:33

of always left so open. This

11:35

season feels like it does end

11:38

quite neatly. It's sort of season one's

11:40

like first half of the book and this ends sort

11:42

of the second half quite good. And

11:44

I think

11:46

it's nice for Loki in particular as well,

11:49

because he's sort of I don't

11:51

know, he's through the movies and through the first

11:53

season, he's a character that's like not taking

11:55

anything seriously. He's very much like out

11:58

for himself. And we see that change.

13:59

Like I think one thing I will say

14:02

is I didn't

14:05

rewatch like the first

14:07

season before we're hopping into two and

14:09

two really does literally just

14:12

like take off from where the first season

14:14

ends. So like definitely watch a recap

14:17

because the first two episodes of season two I

14:19

was like what is happening? I can't remember

14:21

like you know you remember kind of roughly

14:23

the main points but it really

14:26

does start off really quick and I was a bit

14:28

lost with some of the characters and what they were trying

14:30

to do but the time it gets to like episode

14:32

three that's more where like the newer

14:35

stuff starts to come in you meet like Victor

14:37

Timely and you sort of learn a bit

14:39

more about he who remains and stuff so

14:42

that's for me episode three was kind

14:44

of where it started to I sort of started to feel

14:46

like I got into a bit more and yeah by

14:48

the end it does feel like there's a good payoff for watching

14:50

the season as well.

14:51

I've heard Ki-Hoo Kwan's very good in there

14:53

as well. He's very good yeah.

14:55

He should just be in everything now shouldn't he? We kind of we

14:58

did I say we did I didn't do anything. The film

15:00

industry and TV's been good into it for 30 years.

15:02

You go in there. Put him in everything now.

15:05

Yeah, don't make up for it. Exactly.

15:08

He's got his Oscar here. He's happy now. I

15:11

will actually read the piece of feedback about the MCU you know because

15:13

it makes sense. So this one is from CJ

15:16

in Nebraska. He says hello to all the wonderful members

15:19

of the IJ and UK team. I hope everyone

15:21

is doing well. I was reading the recent

15:23

stories about Marvel considering bringing back

15:25

the original MCU characters and it got

15:27

me thinking about the state of the MCU. I

15:29

used to be super plugged into everything going on in the

15:31

MCU, listening to podcasts and reading various articles

15:34

about what may or may not happen but

15:36

I've since lost all interest in it. I

15:39

liked Wundervision and the Hawkeye series okay

15:41

but everything else has been in my opinion

15:44

sub-par. I feel like bringing back

15:46

the OG characters as Marvel essentially admitting

15:48

they cannot recapture the magic of the Infinity

15:51

Saga. From what has

15:53

been reported it seems as though it's lost a considerable

15:55

amount of viewers and I think it's fair to say nowhere

15:57

near as popular as it once was. My

16:00

question for you is how would you fix

16:02

the MCU if you were given creative control?

16:05

By fix I mean restore it to its once dominant

16:07

place amongst movies. For my part

16:09

I like many of the new characters, I think Kamala Khan

16:12

and Kate Bishop are great characters and

16:14

would love to see them build a young Avengers team. Maybe

16:17

Eli Brady and do a young Avengers

16:19

or Spider-Man or Sam Wilson as the new leader.

16:22

They could fail and struggle to grow to learn, to

16:24

be Earth's mightiest heroes, all while fighting

16:26

the government sponsored thunderbolts. So

16:29

what do you all think?

16:29

Do you still care about the MCU? And

16:32

how would you get it back on track?

16:35

Anyone have any thoughts? I have some

16:38

ideas but I don't know. The consequences

16:41

of the amount of stuff that exists was

16:43

a deliberate Disney note from what

16:45

I have heard. This

16:48

thing is successful, let's just make loads

16:50

of it. And it just feels like each

16:52

individual part is lesser than a dent. It's

16:55

just that there's

16:57

quite a lot to keep up with and basically

17:00

none of it can really move anything forward so none

17:02

of it is essential enough. I think you just

17:04

have to make sure that the thing that's actually being produced

17:06

is meaningful. That's really

17:08

the only step forward. You just reminded me of the

17:11

first episode of Iron Island Part 2 2017 is sit down with

17:14

the BBC director. Evolution not

17:16

revolution. Exactly and he

17:18

says Morse, he lists

17:21

all of the Burj Red, he lists all the regional

17:23

detectives and he's like people

17:25

like them, let's make more of them. Is

17:28

exactly what you just described the MCU

17:31

there. What's

17:33

the region that doesn't have a detective yet actually?

17:37

Is there a good Isle of

17:39

Man detective? Anybody from the

17:41

Shelteys? Yeah,

17:44

there is a word, it's a detective drama called Shetland. Oh,

17:46

if they go. It's already been

17:48

lined is the thing. Exactly.

17:52

I think it's kind of the direction

17:54

they're going and I'd kind of just I feel

17:56

like I agree you see just a bit that I don't

17:58

think they'll bring back any of the original. lot just

18:00

yet. I don't think they're that desperate yet

18:03

but they are kind of through all these series

18:06

and through these characters that are all tangentially

18:09

can't say that word today, linked to

18:11

these older characters kind of

18:13

clinging on to them whether it's like Hawkeye

18:16

or Loki they kind of are linked so

18:18

you do almost need a fresh start and I

18:20

hope that's where with like

18:22

Fantastic Four and X-Men and Mutants coming

18:25

in maybe it's it's not quite a hard reset

18:27

but you can kind of just ignore all these characters for

18:29

a bit and start the Fantastic

18:31

Four out new start X-Men out new

18:33

and kind of go with that

18:35

side of it rather than trying to continue this

18:37

whole multiverse Kang story

18:39

because I feel like that is it's

18:42

only gonna remind people of the Infinity Stone

18:44

stuff I think go in the Kang direction and the

18:46

seek I know they planned out the whole secret wars

18:48

stuff and maybe they can do that in the future but like just

18:51

give us something completely fresh

18:53

and none of us have seen the Marvels yet and I thought it's

18:55

actually pretty good and I do intend on seeing

18:57

that one probably when it gets to Disney Plus but again

19:00

it is these characters we've already kind

19:02

of known for a bit and yeah I just kind

19:05

of don't need a full

19:07

reset but yeah just some brand new

19:09

characters would not go amiss and

19:11

hopefully Fantastic Four and X-Men done right

19:14

can be that I don't know what

19:16

you guys think

19:17

yeah I agree I feel like we've

19:19

got to a point with all of the films

19:21

and shows where there's just so

19:23

many characters kind of on the go

19:26

at this point and it's like let's sort

19:28

of bring it back a little bit and make it a bit more focused

19:31

I feel like like I didn't even

19:33

watch Secret Invasion

19:35

because it was just like I'm not that invested

19:38

in this story and I think it

19:41

was it okay like you

19:42

watched it right I didn't like it quite

19:44

boring yeah I think like a lot

19:46

of people have that

19:47

problem

19:49

of like they sort of they have their

19:51

characters that either kept they care about and

19:53

that might be the movie they go see at the cinema or that

19:55

might be the show they bother with but

19:58

we've got so much currently there It's just

20:00

like, I wonder how many people

20:02

are actually watching everything. And like, especially

20:04

with the way the stories are like in this phase,

20:07

you don't really have to watch everything to

20:09

understand what's going on anyway. Like it's not

20:12

like you're missing out on much.

20:13

Well, I think luckily, I say, say it, Tear

20:15

Break. We've got one Marvel film next year and that's Deadpool 3,

20:18

which might, may or may not be

20:20

linked to other stuff who really knows anymore. But

20:23

I've not even seen the first two Deadpools. So who

20:25

knows if I'll go see Deadpool 3. But yeah. That's

20:28

fine. Yeah, they're all just

20:30

the thing. I want something more than fine.

20:32

I want good. Only 70

20:35

hours in the day where I've got to play Domino's in

20:37

Saint-Binet. But

20:41

yeah, that's the master Marvel

20:43

corner for today anyway. But it's not the only superhero

20:45

stuff we'll be talking about because Invincible

20:48

is back. Season 2 on Amazon. I

20:50

watched the first ever episode of Invincible

20:52

and thought, oh, this is pretty good. For some reason, didn't

20:54

watch the rest. Probably too busy. Something

20:57

happened in life. I don't know. I've actually

20:59

read the comic, which I know is meant to be very, very good.

21:01

But both of you have been enjoying

21:03

the recent bit of Invincible. Am I right? It's

21:06

great, mate. Yeah, I'm so glad it's

21:08

back. I mean, it's been about four

21:11

years since the first

21:13

season. It's four years? Is it that

21:15

long? It's three maybe. It's

21:18

definitely during the pandemic. I

21:20

think it came out. Trying

21:22

to gauge my memory of this one. Yeah, production

21:25

massively stalled for this one for ages. I've

21:27

always been clamouring for it. Happy to say worth

21:30

the wait thus far. I don't

21:32

know if you've seen the latest episode yet, Emma,

21:34

actually. I haven't watched today's one

21:36

because it comes out on Fridays, doesn't it? Hell

21:39

of a cliffhanger.

21:41

Oh, they always do this. I feel like so

21:43

many of the episodes end like that. But it's

21:45

one of those shows that you want to binge watch, but it's also

21:48

so good that you have

21:48

to watch it weekly. That's kind of where

21:51

I'm sitting on it. I can kind of vaguely

21:53

remember, but what's the setup for Invincible and

21:55

Total? It is more of a

21:57

mature rated comic. I

22:00

think it's the beauty of it. I think it initially

22:02

presents itself as a regular

22:04

coming of age superhero

22:07

story that then

22:10

is actually quite a lot more graphic

22:13

than it should be. The beauty of

22:15

it is that it's like kind of golden age, comicky

22:18

tropes, but then given an

22:20

extra little bit of grossness

22:23

on top of it. So it's almost, yeah, like, I

22:25

don't know, like, yeah, like old Superman animated

22:28

stuff, but with like the

22:30

essence of the boys to it, that sort of thing. I

22:32

think that's definitely a way to sell it. Yeah, absolutely.

22:35

And to, and like, what's the, what's the settle

22:37

for the story again? I just can't remember who

22:39

is the lad, what's his name and what happens at the start?

22:42

He's the son of the world's

22:44

best superhero who

22:47

discovers his powers for the first time at a

22:49

pivotal moment in the world history.

22:52

That's about it. And then what

22:54

is the story of him? And

22:56

from there he's trying to emulate his dad

22:58

or? Sure. Let's, let's leave it at that.

23:01

Give me a, give me a scrap

23:03

of the story. I guess

23:05

everybody's going to be annoyed.

23:07

I guess everybody's seen everything that's come out of Mortal Kombat

23:10

one. Maybe his dad's not as nice as he thinks.

23:13

Yeah. So like the first season,

23:15

I guess is kind of, I mean, I

23:18

haven't read any of the comics and stuff. So

23:20

for me, I was, I was very much like

23:22

the teenager that it focuses on

23:24

where it's like, you're learning about this world

23:26

of all these different superheroes that you've not seen

23:29

before. And yeah, his

23:31

dad's like the, you know, the ultimate

23:33

Superman kind of defending Earth.

23:36

But there's also kind of like a little bit of a mystery

23:39

going on in the background, some stuff happening

23:41

within. They've got like their own kind of like

23:43

Justice League sort of group that

23:45

also helps protect Earth. Something's

23:47

going on with them and with like the organization

23:50

that kind of like

23:51

directs them. It does sound very much like the boys,

23:53

doesn't it?

23:54

It's very similar and it's also like

23:56

very dark and it's pretty violent.

24:00

But

24:01

it's really good. The first season, the final

24:04

episode of the first season is

24:06

amazing. Like, I can't

24:08

believe it. It's been that long since we watched it, like three

24:10

years. But yeah,

24:13

so I'm not going to spoil it. But yeah, something

24:15

big happens in that season. Then this

24:17

season is more kind of like the aftermath

24:19

of that picking up the pieces after this

24:21

massive event and sort of the main

24:23

character like trying to work out who

24:25

he is. OK. And that sort of.

24:28

And also there is a little bit of like multiverse

24:30

in Invincible as well. Like,

24:33

I won't say like how it comes into it, but

24:35

there's a character that can kind of switch

24:38

between multiverse, like different universes

24:40

and stuff. And that's something's going to happen

24:43

with that. I don't know how that's going to pan out, but

24:45

it's pretty interesting how they're approaching that.

24:48

I feel like multiverse stuff in general just

24:50

seems very like trendy at the moment.

24:52

It's weird that they're playing much the timing

24:55

of this as well, because it was all in a comic book that

24:57

was like 10 years ago. So yeah,

25:00

yeah, I think it's very comic thing to do. Nice.

25:03

I might ask. I might check it out. I'll put it on the

25:06

long, long list of backlog things I

25:08

have to watch and play and stuff. I

25:10

did it like I said, I watched the first episode where it very

25:12

first came out and I did like it. But for

25:14

some reason, just maybe because it was weekly,

25:17

I was just like falling off it. If it all dropped,

25:19

maybe I'd do it all in a weekend or something. The

25:21

thing I think that sold people initially was just the

25:23

surprising level of talent in the voice cast. Like

25:26

the main characters being done by Steven

25:28

Yin of previously The Walking Dead and

25:30

Meef and soon to be

25:33

MCU. Exactly. Yeah, we won't talk about

25:35

any of that news yet, because it's still technically

25:37

speculation. But and

25:40

JK Simmons as one of the lads

25:42

as well. But all of the the Guardians

25:44

as well being like really like

25:46

unique voices that you'll definitely pick up on. Like

25:49

Zachary Quinto is one of them too. Like

25:51

there's no reason that they should have been able to like

25:54

gather a degree of talent

25:56

this big. So I left himself. Yeah. It's time

25:58

to bring back heroes again. Yeah, I haven't thought

26:00

about that. He's already played with Superhero before.

26:03

Yeah. Do you remember how good that first season

26:05

of Heroes was? Oh, excellent. Yeah.

26:08

Ah, what happened there? That is like the classic

26:10

answer, isn't it? Of like, what's one season of television

26:12

that was good?

26:14

That was good. And then things

26:16

happened. Um, something

26:18

like there's a lot of killers in

26:20

Invincible, despite the show being called Invincible.

26:24

And do you know what other thing has

26:26

a killer in it? A little Netflix

26:28

film called The Killer. The

26:31

latest from The Man, The

26:33

King of Nihilism, David

26:36

Fincher. God, I love David Fincher.

26:39

Matt, I'm going to let you say what you think about this film

26:41

first, because I feel like we have slightly different

26:43

opinions, which is always fun, isn't it? I

26:46

think this movie's fine. OK. I'll

26:48

give you a little bit of background. It's about a lad

26:50

who... Like, if this movie

26:52

was about a lad making a table, it

26:55

would be called The Carpenter, in the same way

26:57

that this guy, his profession is being

26:59

a killer. Like, that's the thing that he's really good at. He's

27:02

a hitman. Is him, like,

27:04

being incredibly effective and

27:06

professional at being a killer, which I think

27:09

is very cool. He feels like

27:11

an archetypal character. This

27:13

movie, I will say, is as close to... I know

27:16

they have literally made movies of

27:18

Hitman, but this feels far more like... Oh,

27:20

he is Agent 47 as well. He is

27:22

Agent 47 as hell. He is putting

27:24

on costumes. He is collecting

27:27

stuff in the environment to be able to use it later. Like,

27:30

very much, if you like the Hitman series,

27:32

go see this. The thing I thought about it,

27:34

though, is that he seems so much

27:36

like an archetypal person, that

27:39

this movie... If this movie came out in the

27:42

80s, I would say, oh, this is such

27:44

a cool character portrayal. We

27:46

haven't really seen anything like this before. And

27:49

now, we've had other killers

27:51

in movies, or in TV shows like Dexter,

27:54

right? I just keep thinking about how

27:56

that's a kind of guy that has another thing going

27:59

on in the background. This guy is

28:01

so much this archetype

28:04

and this movie so much about that But

28:06

I find it hard to really think about anything else It's

28:09

a film about process right and like David

28:11

Fincher is the ultimate process Filmmaker

28:13

if I want to go into full film theory mode

28:16

here. So for the record, I think this film is fantastic

28:19

I don't think it's top tier Fincher. It's

28:21

not so deac social network seven

28:25

Oh, yeah, it is a spider. We

28:27

agree. It is a seven Well sevens

28:29

are ten. So I Think

28:32

this films like great. It's not like I said It's

28:34

on the second tier of David Fincher films to me,

28:36

which still is better than 95% of films out

28:38

there but

28:41

yeah, like I said, it's a film about procedure

28:43

and Doing things to

28:46

the nth degree and gain things like

28:48

perfect Which ironic because the

28:51

catalyst for this film is this hitman where the

28:53

hit goes wrong This happens in the first 10 minutes

28:55

this film and that's kind of the catalyst for this film

28:57

is Michael Fassbender Who is fantastic as

28:59

this? Is this hitman? He doesn't really

29:01

have a lot to say he's very quiet character love in

29:04

a monologue but it just does a physical presence

29:06

he is so good and He's

29:09

kind of it doesn't you can tell he's got

29:11

he's done this a lot He's a professional hitman doing

29:13

doing it for numerous years It's very

29:15

effective But one day it just goes

29:17

wrong and it sort of the chain events that happen from

29:19

that and him having to clean up the mess calls

29:22

from that and it kind of introduces

29:25

this emotional aspect to his work that

29:27

he keeps normally completely Separate

29:30

from he can just completely compartmentalize

29:33

the job and his home life But

29:35

those sort of clash in this moment, which is sort

29:37

of a if again if I want to go really

29:40

wanky film theory I think it is David Fincher

29:43

doing a reflection of himself some people

29:45

as a character because like this previous

29:47

movie It was mank

29:50

it was mank with I think

29:52

it's not his great film It's

29:54

not his great film, which I think he kind of

29:56

thought it was based off that reflection

29:58

right of like how? just someone who's

30:00

a perfectionist, he is known for

30:03

doing 99 takes of shots

30:05

and driving actors crazy. If

30:07

you've seen SODAC, you've seen the social

30:10

network, that film is cut and

30:12

shot and every line delivered to

30:14

perfection. That's

30:16

the process the killer is going for in

30:19

The Killer, but it goes wrong. It's

30:21

all about what happens if you miss.

30:23

I'm not going to put the words

30:25

in David Fincher's mouth and I don't know if he'd ever say it, what

30:28

of his films or projects he thinks is

30:30

amiss. Maybe he thinks Mindhunter

30:32

is amiss because he won't ever get to finish it.

30:35

Mank was his emotional response to

30:37

making that and that didn't quite hit and that's

30:40

what Michael Fassbender's character is doing in

30:43

this film, is trying to respond to

30:45

amiss through emotion and he doesn't

30:47

quite get it right. But also the one thing I want to point out

30:50

about this film for all its silky,

30:54

clinical precision to its action scenes,

30:57

some of which are fantastic. I think they're more

30:59

sort of like the Bourne film style of action where

31:01

it's very close in action. There's

31:04

one fight against quite a burly

31:06

assassin guy in a room, which is like you can feel

31:08

every hit. There's a funny moment of a

31:10

cheese grater that he

31:13

doesn't quite use it. How you think he would? That

31:16

scene actually felt like it

31:18

should have just been in another movie, honestly.

31:20

It feels so far out of tone for the rest of the film.

31:24

Actually, I've been thinking about this. There's a bit with the fire

31:26

poker as well. I thought about it myself. This

31:28

is so contrived. Who's got

31:31

a fire poker? Who's got a fire poker in their house?

31:34

Every hit he does, every scene he goes

31:36

to is like a hitman level. It's like, what can I use

31:39

in this to do something? That's

31:41

the thing I would also say is for the seriousness

31:43

for the poe-faced unemotional,

31:47

unemotionality, if it all I'm making up

31:49

words, is actually quite funny. In

31:52

some ways it reflects Napoleon because

31:55

I think David Fincher and Fassbender see

31:57

this character as sort

31:59

of... he's not a... fuck up but like he

32:01

will make mistakes and they'll make and it you

32:03

will have laughs at his expense. There is a

32:05

great thing about how like his self-image doesn't

32:07

necessarily match up with his actions. Yeah.

32:10

It's got a constant narration and that narration

32:12

doesn't always match the things that he's doing. Exactly, it's

32:15

the unreliable. It's like Fight Club. It's kind of

32:17

take it's it did remind me of Fight Club a lot

32:19

not for its themes necessarily but the unreliable

32:22

narration of it all and

32:24

just the style of it. I need to watch

32:26

it again. I've only watched it once and it came out what a week

32:28

ago on Netflix it was in cinemas for a week or so.

32:31

I do want to watch it again because I feel

32:33

like I'll appreciate much more

32:35

of it second time around now that I know what it is

32:38

because I did go in expecting a slightly different film

32:40

and it is much most like low-key

32:43

quite a quite a low-key film.

32:45

I will be I didn't really like it. I will warn the audience as well

32:48

there's a really good like diegetic

32:51

like opening scene with like

32:53

his hands as he's doing a bunch of like awful

32:56

stuff and then it's a very slow

32:58

character drama for maybe 30 minutes. Oh yeah

33:01

it's not. Be ready for that. You're not necessarily

33:03

getting the movie you think you're getting. It's quite

33:05

slow and just the funny way that

33:08

this man is quite clearly like he he's

33:10

almost like I don't know if he believes in like who do

33:12

or he definitely believes in procedures that to

33:15

prepare for every kill he just listens to the same

33:17

playlist of like 10 the Smith songs

33:20

which is just quite funny that the only music

33:22

apart from the odd like

33:24

kind of ambient sound trick

33:27

that Trent Reznor and Atticus Frosty for this one it sounds

33:29

like they've played inscription because all the sounds are that

33:31

will sound like they're from inscription in this film

33:34

but all the other music in this film is just the

33:36

Smith songs and some of them are used

33:39

I'm not a big Smith fan and I'm definitely not a big Morrissey

33:41

fan but the way they use in this film

33:43

are very funny and the way the lyrics

33:46

reflect the

33:48

situation he's in every time is very funny

33:51

but yeah I it's on Netflix so if

33:53

you got that definitely give the killer a watch

33:56

I said I'd probably I don't know I don't

33:59

think David I don't rank it high

34:01

amongst as oeuvre like I think that I

34:04

like I was thinking about how much I love gongol recently

34:06

Like I love gongol so much It's

34:10

not in gongol, but what

34:12

is that's a high bar to be fair

34:16

I mean, I would still like he said so I'd

34:18

give this film like an eight, but you know, there

34:20

we go I need to watch it again. I just

34:22

want more David vincer films because you

34:25

can never get enough of him I watched seven again yesterday

34:27

still amazing just so good. So

34:30

good. So dark Probably one

34:32

of the darkest films you'd ever get I heard this

34:34

story about the production of seven Well, everybody

34:37

who wrote the script was like this movie is actually evil

34:40

Like how have you like caused this movie to

34:42

I think some actors read for it and they were like this is

34:44

too dark Yeah, like it's a miracle

34:46

that that film got made and it was a blockbuster

34:48

as well

34:49

Like

34:50

god, there's still nothing like it. Honestly,

34:52

really? I would love to talk to David

34:55

vincer I've been lucky enough. I was at last screen talk

34:57

with him once read like chatted on stage for an hour And

34:59

that was amazing, but I would love to talk

35:01

to David vincer Well, they make me a new

35:03

another 20 times exactly he'd have

35:05

no time for me. He doesn't take fools suffer

35:08

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What else have we

36:54

been watching? I don't know. I've just waffled on there. Who

36:57

decided what we do in the shadows there. I know. Was

36:59

that you, Irma? That was me. You've been enjoying

37:01

that, have you? Oh, I love

37:03

that show. Have either of you

37:05

watched it? I've

37:08

watched the film a couple of times. I've watched the

37:10

first season, but I think

37:13

I fell off for some reason. I don't know why. Cause I

37:15

was enjoying it. Are we on to like five seasons

37:17

now? It is season five. So season

37:19

five came out in the US like much earlier

37:21

this year. We just got it at the end of October

37:24

here on Disney plus. So if you're

37:26

waiting for it, it's there now. Um,

37:29

but I love this show. It's so

37:31

silly. And I think like, you know,

37:33

coming from like Marvel and invincible, where

37:35

I feel like, especially invincible, I need to be like switched

37:37

on to watch it. Like I love that

37:40

a show like this exists

37:41

where it's just

37:42

really silly. And

37:44

I feel like they can just kind of write

37:46

anything into the show and somehow make it

37:48

work because it is just so relaxed

37:50

and all the characters, they're always getting

37:53

into some kind of pickle, you know, and they've got to get out

37:55

of it. Um, and at

37:57

the end of like last season, again,

37:59

like. won't spill anything in case you do just want

38:01

to like blast through it and get to season

38:04

five but they're um

38:06

so it's like a group of vampires um living

38:09

in like new york and

38:11

they've got like this uh human

38:13

familiar who like kind of looks after

38:16

him make sure that they don't get into like too much

38:18

trouble because they're not very good at hiding

38:20

the fact that they're vampires um and

38:24

i think like that human character we've

38:26

kind of seen from the beginning he starts

38:28

off as very like meek and mild

38:30

and he's just like so excited to

38:33

be with these vampires like he loves the idea

38:35

of like potentially becoming a vampire one day

38:38

his story goes on like a wild

38:40

ride through these first four seasons

38:43

and we get to season five

38:45

and i just love the fact that he's

38:48

so much part of this group now like

38:50

he was very much sort of like the character

38:52

that's like looking in hoping that he can

38:55

one day become one of these characters but

38:57

the way that they've written him is so that even

39:00

though he's not necessarily on like the same level as

39:02

they are right now he's got his own stuff going

39:04

on in the background that they have no idea about

39:07

and you get to see so much of it sort of come to

39:09

a head in this season which is really good that's

39:11

what i was going to ask because like is

39:14

that how they've done it they've kind of done it through this character's

39:16

eyes because i was wondering like five seasons in like

39:18

even the film which i think is fantastic by the end

39:20

of that i'm like okay you've kind of you've

39:23

told this joke by now i get the joke

39:25

they're out of place like is that

39:27

how have they managed to keep it consistently good

39:29

and how have they kind of changed it over five

39:31

seasons because that's quite a lot for me which

39:33

is what the joke is well there's these old school

39:36

vampires in new york and they don't get

39:38

modern times is that that's not just the

39:40

same joke over and over

39:41

again right no there's like

39:45

it goes to some places right so

39:47

like one thing i'll talk about from one of the seasons

39:50

which sounds really strange if you

39:52

haven't watched it but like hopefully it'll hook you to

39:54

get you to try and watch it is that

39:56

so the group of vampires you know you've got

39:58

the old school ones and there's one that's an energy

40:01

vampire which just basically

40:03

means that

40:03

he's really

40:04

born. He's incredible. Like he's

40:07

the most infuriating person

40:09

ever because

40:09

he's so good.

40:13

But yeah they'll have like a whole season

40:16

basically where he kind of goes for

40:18

a bit of like an existential crisis

40:21

and then he's like reborn

40:23

and becomes like a

40:26

baby again. It's really

40:29

strange. But like that's just and like

40:31

that's the thing. You don't know where the story is going to go

40:34

because it could literally they could just do that and be

40:36

like okay we're taking this character out. He's

40:38

going to be a baby. You're going to watch him grow. He has

40:40

like this whole friendship with Laszlo

40:43

and like I think what's really good

40:45

is like each season you kind of see like

40:48

very different character pairings.

40:50

So you get a season where those two

40:52

are really close and then in this more

40:54

recent season you see way more

40:56

of like Laszlo with Guillermo

40:59

who's the human. And it's

41:03

just the way they do stuff is really like

41:05

just strange. I think you can't ever predict

41:08

what exactly is going to happen because

41:11

there's no rules it seems in this show.

41:13

It's just like if we want to do that thing

41:15

if we want to get these two to go together and go off

41:17

on some kind of like weird adventure

41:19

together we'll do it and somehow they'll

41:22

find a way to like loop that back into the

41:24

main story and make it kind of make sense.

41:28

But yeah this season is

41:30

like it's great because you see like

41:32

a lot of characters doing stuff that's like

41:34

a little bit different to what they might

41:36

usually do. Like I said with Guillermo he's kind

41:39

of he's got his own stuff going on as

41:41

well as the stuff with like the group of vampires

41:45

and sort of like stepping into his

41:48

space of being the one on the outside looking

41:50

in. They've got like a different

41:52

vampire the guide who

41:55

I just felt bad for this entire season

41:57

because she just wants to be accepted by this

41:59

group. like they do not care for her being

42:01

around at all and

42:04

she kind of has an episode though which kind of

42:06

focuses more on her which is really nice.

42:09

I

42:09

like the fact that each of the,

42:11

one of the ways they kind of like shake

42:13

it up a bit is that you won't always have an

42:15

episode where it is like

42:17

all of them together. They might have like a spotlight

42:19

episode on one where the other characters will

42:21

be in it but it's like

42:22

more focused on that one and something

42:25

they've done wrong or something

42:26

they've managed to get themselves in trouble somehow.

42:29

They

42:29

have made me want to watch it again. More

42:32

of the backlog of things I've got to catch up on. At

42:35

least it's like very easy watching right?

42:37

Yeah exactly. A short episode

42:39

is like 25 minutes or something

42:42

and yeah because it all drops at once as well I think

42:44

my partner and I must have watched it over like three

42:47

days. It was very quick. It's just 10 episodes

42:50

but yeah it's one of those ones where you can just kind of

42:52

have it on in the evening. You'll probably get through like two

42:55

or three episodes in an evening maybe even more

42:57

if you're really into it but it is

42:59

silly. It's like a nice bit of comedy

43:01

and yeah it's just it's just a lot of fun. Nice.

43:04

I do need yeah maybe I should. I need to watch

43:06

more new stuff. I've been the last couple of weeks just getting

43:08

into the habit of re-watching things.

43:11

Things I know that are incredible but I'm like I'm

43:13

just am I wasting my time watching this for the

43:15

third time you know what I mean? Like for example I've

43:17

been going on a little bit of a documentary binge watching

43:19

some of my favorite documentaries ever.

43:22

One of which I mean they couldn't be more tonally

43:25

different between these two documentaries but

43:28

of course King of Kong if this will

43:30

of course may be one of the best documentaries

43:32

ever made. If you guys watching it. Certainly one of the best villains

43:35

that's ever been in. Oh have you

43:37

ever watched King of Kong ever? I've never.

43:39

I can't recommend it enough. It is

43:42

only what 80 minutes 75 minutes maybe

43:44

but it's the story of 20 years ago um

43:49

this just like normal man

43:52

from Seattle decides one day I want to break

43:54

the world record for Donkey Kong

43:57

and he starts doing this and

43:59

it's set behind. with the backdrop

44:01

of this almost like super

44:03

villainous record holder called

44:06

Billy Mitchell who's like an all American

44:08

hot sauce maker who holds

44:10

this record but it's quite obviously, I

44:12

don't know, a fraud? I think it's, well

44:14

he's been proven to be a fraud since right? So

44:17

it's kind of this story of like him and all his little

44:20

funny minions who are just pathetic

44:22

men basically trying to keep this man's record

44:25

safe and it's the story of this

44:27

just normal quite nice family

44:30

man trying to break this Donkey Kong record against

44:32

this evil. Like you couldn't script a funnier

44:35

like mockumentary. It's so funny

44:37

and it's just like these, it's just

44:39

the best set of characters so yeah. If you haven't

44:41

watched King of Kong before I cannot recommend

44:44

that enough. But yeah

44:46

on the other end of the scale is the act of killing, does anyone

44:48

want it anymore? I don't have the stomach for it, I know

44:50

it's object matter, I don't think I can go anywhere now.

44:54

Originally when it came out I think,

44:56

let me have a look, I think it's 2012 the act of killing,

45:00

yeah it is. So I watched it maybe 2012,

45:03

2013 and then yeah last week watched it again because like

45:05

he said it's not an easy watch but

45:07

I wanted to watch it again because it's the

45:10

most remarkable piece of like documentary filmmaking

45:13

you'll ever see. It is about the

45:16

Indonesian mass killings in the 60s

45:18

where anywhere between

45:20

half a million and two million basically communists

45:23

in Indonesia were just murdered in

45:25

the space of a year. No

45:27

one really knows how many. And

45:31

basically this documentary maker Joshua

45:33

Oppenheimer went to Indonesia in 2012, I don't

45:37

know when, it would have been a couple of years before this so

45:39

maybe 2010 and talked to

45:42

the people who did these murders who basically

45:44

don't really feel they did

45:46

anything wrong. They were just like hired by the

45:48

government to be torturers and murderers and

45:51

these people are kind of still in charge of Indonesia

45:53

and basically asked,

45:56

gives them money and was like I want you

45:58

to show me what you did. And

46:00

they basically decide to make kind of a

46:02

ganks a absolutely bizarre

46:04

almost gangster Musical

46:07

film which like recreate some of

46:10

these murders and he shows the he shows

46:13

This man where he did all these murders

46:15

how he murdered them And it's just

46:18

you're listening to these people talk about things like

46:21

it's fiction, but the total dispassion Yeah,

46:23

the total just like matter of fact of like

46:26

here's where I murdered thousands and thousands

46:29

of people And it

46:31

has the most I'm not gonna reveal the end just case you want to

46:33

watch some it has one of the most remarkable

46:37

Like with this main man who was like one of the

46:39

head like torturing killers like this moment

46:41

these like 10 minutes with him where you just I Thought

46:46

it doesn't spoil the film because it's not convention

46:48

these things happen but like basically him

46:50

coming he does have this almost moment of realization

46:53

and And you

46:55

kind of see his face just like he's

46:57

he's watching the recreations that they've

47:00

shot of him Doing it and he's

47:02

watching he's like Did I do

47:04

this to people he's like almost like didn't realize

47:06

he had done this it's it's absolutely

47:09

unbelievable watch harrowing to

47:11

watch and Like I said, yeah,

47:14

not not definitely no laughs to be had

47:16

whatsoever in this film. There's some horrible things

47:18

said but Yeah,

47:21

if you're looking for one of the best documents you ever made check

47:23

out the act of killing I've still not watched the look of

47:25

silence Which was the sequel a couple of years

47:27

later which followed it kind of from the other

47:29

side one of the victims families I do

47:32

need to watch that but again need to build up the The

47:35

stomach for I think but yeah, check out the active kin.

47:37

I don't know where you can watch it These

47:39

days, but I found a way. Let's

47:41

say you can probably rent it Yeah,

47:44

god, how do you move on from that? Feedback

47:47

I guess feedback. Yeah IGN

47:52

underscore UK feedback at IGN

47:55

calm. I've already read out my feedback earlier from

47:57

CGI about the MCU So we've only got two more to

47:59

go No endless search this week I'm afraid because we're

48:02

a little bit a little bit rush for time

48:04

this week I'm afraid sorry a lot of work to do but

48:07

Emma. What email do you have for us?

48:09

So we have an email from Gage

48:12

look is this Gage Luke Luke Gage? Gage

48:16

Luke, thank you for writing in. I'm sorry if

48:18

I said your name the wrong way around If

48:21

I had to only play games starting with a particular

48:23

letter for the rest of my life It would undoubtedly

48:26

be games starting with s you

48:28

get all the Star Wars games Jedi

48:31

series all the Jedi Knight games squadrons

48:33

Battlefronts

48:33

night zero public, etc.

48:35

It feels like cheating honestly It's

48:39

allowed. Yeah

48:40

Spider-man,

48:42

however, yeah, if we allow this we

48:44

allow Star Wars and all the I think that's I think

48:46

that's marble Sorry You

48:51

can have spider-man 2 for the PlayStation 2

48:54

You

48:56

get SX 3 the best extreme sports game

48:59

of all time

48:59

Tricky with I

49:02

don't agree. I think I

49:05

mean, I haven't played them in probably almost 20.

49:07

I would regularly do this I would like go to the top

49:09

of the mountain and then spend a half hour going down

49:12

to the bottom of it in a sex three

49:15

Very good very controversial

49:17

email And

49:19

Yet Super Mario series

49:22

Skyrim super smash brothers, there are a lot

49:24

of s's I'm sure there must

49:26

be films like this as well. S is like

49:28

probably

49:28

This is a good layer

49:30

all the best things begin with s I think

49:32

yeah, is that because nothing to do

49:34

your

49:34

name

49:37

Time to see for Nintendo games

49:39

security

49:42

This is a gauges favorite fighting game

49:44

and so many more and some indie

49:47

games as well Somerville so last shovel

49:49

night Skim

49:52

good times.

49:53

Yeah, by

49:54

the way, the loafy version of the ender search

49:56

was nice Maybe pepper it down a bit.

49:59

So pepper it in

49:59

down and then but the OG

50:02

is sacred and should never come under

50:04

such slander. Haters

50:08

gonna hate. Much love and respect the

50:10

CPS I was featured on the drowning.

50:12

Well yeah that is

50:14

a claim to fame. I

50:17

think I did M letters

50:19

last time I was on the M I don't think you've done the what's

50:21

what yeah I let you get you on the spot.

50:26

Enter the Matrix.

50:28

That's the first one that came to

50:30

me. I'm trying to think like what's what's the good

50:32

games of an E.

50:33

There must be some good games games for games.

50:35

Elden rings are pretty good. Oh that's a good game.

50:37

That's quite a good game isn't it Elden ring.

50:40

I'll take that one. Yeah you can have that.

50:42

I mean can you technically have every EA

50:45

sports we

50:47

can have the EA Sports FC. That's a good one.

50:49

Yeah. I don't know. Earth

50:52

defense force.

50:54

Earthbound is loved by a lot of people

50:56

as well.

50:56

It is. Everybody's golf is

50:59

good fun. And you know what

51:02

you can even have the eye toy. Oh

51:04

classic. There

51:07

we go. He's not very good. No he's not a

51:09

great one. I'm sorry if you were

51:11

to be lumped with that. That's

51:13

how it goes sometimes. That's

51:16

the world sometimes isn't it. Matt. I've

51:19

got an email here from Luke

51:22

Essle. I'm deciding to put a little

51:24

bit of English mustard on that pronunciation.

51:26

It's probably Ethan. Yeah nope.

51:30

Hi all. Long time first time

51:32

and all that. I recently finished The Wheel of Time

51:34

season two and thought it was excellent but one

51:36

criticism I had was that it felt like a lot of lore

51:38

was introduced very quickly. I assume lost

51:40

track of places names etc. I've now bought the

51:43

first book and I hope to be well underway with them

51:45

by the time the next season comes out. I remember

51:47

similar criticisms being leveled at Game of Thrones

51:50

and The Witcher but for those I'd already read the related

51:52

books so I didn't realize how impactful it can be.

51:54

Although to be fair nothing could rescue

51:56

later seasons either show. My

51:59

question is have there been any TV shows, films

52:01

or games you've watched and it's been a bit

52:03

tough when you realise just how much info there is

52:05

out there. Now an example for me is

52:07

Dune, an excellent film and I'm excited for the

52:09

next instalment but the first 50 pages of the book

52:11

are maps and other world building entries.

52:14

Keep up the good work with the pod and thanks for making

52:16

my Friday evening commute much better.

52:19

I feel really similarly, oh, Lucas

52:21

is disrespect to C so I can't miss out on that one. I

52:24

feel very similarly about a lot of media properties

52:27

if they are front loading with a lot

52:29

of information. I just cannot get on

52:31

board. I'd rather it be casually

52:33

introduced. I

52:37

can think of a show that does this really well though.

52:40

I remember watching Avatar

52:42

the Last Airbender way back in the day and

52:44

thinking that it really doesn't overload

52:47

you with any of the history

52:49

of this world. It's only like a

52:53

strange magical system. It's got a world

52:55

that is split into a bunch of different things,

52:58

different sectional stuff all going on

53:01

but it only really comes up when it's relevant and

53:03

I think a lot of places really need to learn that. Yeah,

53:06

I doubt this is the same thing. It's

53:08

kind of the opposite but I do kind of fill it with what

53:10

we've talked about before with Star Wars now. I

53:12

used to be so excited when there was a new Star Wars

53:15

thing because they were so rare and

53:17

there was always the extended universe

53:20

stuff and expanded universe even. But

53:22

I never really, if you didn't want to engage with that you didn't

53:24

have to. It didn't feel like you needed to do this research

53:27

but I haven't watched Ahsoka just because

53:29

I never watched

53:31

Rebels. I didn't feel a connection with that. Although

53:34

I've heard it's good and I've always

53:36

heard people say Thrawn is an amazing character but I

53:38

never read the books he was in. I never watched Rebels

53:40

so I just have no connection. I feel like at this point Star

53:43

Wars is just, I'm not blaming him, Star

53:45

Wars just isn't made for me at the moment

53:47

and it's a shame because those

53:49

core films I'll always love. Always Andor. Yeah,

53:52

it's always Andor and I will watch Andor. I think

53:55

that's why I enjoyed Andor so much because you literally

53:57

needed pretty much no prior knowledge whatsoever.

54:00

to enjoy that show. Yeah

54:03

trying to think of those things that have been turned

54:06

off by, because they're so daunting.

54:10

I don't know really. I

54:13

have so many things

54:14

that are just

54:16

intimidating. I've

54:19

never watched Naruto but it's

54:21

really really long.

54:24

I never know if I'm gonna get around to that. I

54:26

think it's different though because I would say

54:28

that like Naruto in like one piece for instance

54:30

it definitely shows that people are intimidated by

54:32

the length of them and that's definitely

54:34

true but like if you were picking those up

54:37

for like let's say we went back to the 90s and

54:39

started watching them for the first time it'd just be

54:41

like oh the episode came out right. It's

54:44

only after the fact that there's so much of it. I

54:46

think it's different for it to be like the show

54:48

itself is just like front-loading you with

54:50

way too much information that's unattainable.

54:55

I do think like I'm kind

54:57

of enough that I get by but whenever I start a

54:59

new Yakuza game so I never played many of the original

55:02

ones kind of they do throw a lot of like

55:04

they kind of assume you know who the Tojo clan

55:06

are and who a lot of these like people are or

55:08

places. I might bring this up actually.

55:10

Because I have been playing the

55:12

man who erased his name which I don't really

55:14

like all that much because I think it is

55:17

just this. It is like because

55:19

I didn't play Yakuza 6 so you know

55:21

I don't really care about all of the specifics of like what

55:23

happened you know to Kirio specifically

55:26

during this time. Like it is just

55:29

filling you in on the events of that and then where he goes

55:31

next. I'm like but these are consequences

55:33

to a story that I don't really care all that much about which

55:36

I guess is to be expected for this but yeah.

55:38

It's kind of the curse of right connected things

55:40

right. You're always gonna feel a little bit a little

55:43

bit lost. Yeah keep things

55:45

simple. That's what I say. www.ign.com

55:51

for more of your feedback about

55:53

anything really. Just let us know. Yeah I

55:55

don't know. Open call. Whatever

55:58

you want. AMA! Next

56:00

week we'll do an AMA. I don't know, that's come out of

56:02

nowhere. We'll probably get like two questions

56:04

now. Anything you wanna know? Ask us, I

56:06

don't know who's gonna be on it. Don't know, probably

56:09

me, let's face it. But who

56:11

knows? What music should we end with

56:13

this week? Is it Gobby Waterloo by

56:16

ABBA? Yeah. Cause Ridley didn't

56:18

give it to us. So, and you

56:20

know me, any excuse to put ABBA on and

56:22

I'm gonna do it, despite what other people

56:24

want. Cardi, do you wanna go to ABBA

56:26

The Journey? Do you know what I've been

56:29

looking, I didn't realise it's like 100 quid. Yeah,

56:31

should we, you and I go for the pods?

56:33

If it was half as much, I'd go. I

56:36

know I can get by, we'll get them for free tickets. We

56:39

probably put it on some expenses though, and that's why I'm saying,

56:41

you and me may just go. Can I expense ABBA? What

56:43

is there? We'll record a secret

56:45

episode while we're there. We'll

56:47

bring it up. I need to go see ABBA for research

56:50

for the Napoleon video I've already made. Let's

56:54

get it done. All right, anyway,

56:56

I'm gonna go. Maybe I'll watch some Invincible, who knows?

56:59

You can master, you have to. I hope everyone has a

57:01

lovely weekend. Yeah, mate.

57:04

And fly home. I'm gonna play Persona. Oh, I'm gonna pay

57:06

some Domino's. Here's some ABBA.

57:08

Oh my god, this is so terrifying. I

57:11

am so sorry. I am so sorry.

57:13

I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I

57:16

am so sorry. I am so sorry. I am so sorry.

57:18

I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I am

57:21

so sorry. I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I

57:24

am so sorry. I am so sorry.