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Yes,

1:41

yes, yes, yes. It's the IJP UK

1:43

podcast. Don't shake your head at me, Dale

1:45

Driver. It's because when you can't think of anything else

1:47

to do, you always revert back to that. Yeah,

1:50

because it's a fan favourite. Everyone loves it

1:52

when I say yes five times.

1:55

Why don't you? It's

1:57

tiring, isn't it? Why don't you get a catchphrase?

2:01

Why don't I get a catchphrase? Yeah, get

2:03

a catchphrase. Jesse, what's your catchphrase? Uh...

2:07

I'm swearing, I think. He

2:10

likes trying to do work on that now. He

2:13

came down to about 60 an episode probably.

2:16

I'm going to point out every time you swear. I

2:19

think you don't realise how much you do

2:21

it. I think you use it as a bridge word

2:23

in sentences. I probably do a lot

2:26

to be fair, but it's on my mind now and I'll

2:28

never do it again. I feel like I can see

2:30

in your eyes right now you're trying not to... Yeah. Just

2:33

think of fudge, think of all the lovely fudge

2:36

you

2:36

can eat.

2:37

I'm not even letting it into fudge. You don't

2:39

like fudge? Fudge is okay, it's not like

2:41

my favourite. This is good, but you can only have like

2:43

a little bit of it. I get it, it's very rich

2:45

isn't it? Smarties are good. We're

2:48

not talking about... We're not just doing like what

2:50

food do you like a bit? See, I

2:52

can swear because I use it for impact. I use

2:54

it like two times in episodes. And I'll

2:57

use it when you start to imagine smarties, okay? I

2:59

swear. Yeah? Are

3:01

you a fudge or a toffee man if you had to pick?

3:06

I'll still pick fudge, but it's

3:08

like the lesser of two evils. How

3:11

can you just go fudge and toffee is evil? See,

3:16

as a kid growing up I was always massively

3:19

into toffees. I love toffees, but ever since

3:21

I... So if people don't know, like

3:23

half of my front tooth is fake. I've given it

3:26

to it when I was a teenager. So like I'm always

3:28

really fearful of like chewing on toffees now. Like

3:31

because I think that is going to snap

3:33

off. I really love like

3:35

strawberry licorice and there's these like... I

3:37

don't know what the brand's called, but they're like a fancy packet

3:40

of strawberry licorice. They're really thick and chunky that

3:42

you can buy. I absolutely

3:44

loved them until the day when I bit onto one and cracked

3:46

my tooth in half. And it's still to

3:48

this day now I can't eat them because I'm scared I'm going to break

3:50

a tooth. I don't like it. So yeah, I'm more of a fudge boy

3:53

now. Not

3:55

that I have fudge, Alfred. I don't know if I've had fudge

3:57

this year to be honest with you. I

4:00

don't keep a fudge diary though to be honest. Maybe

4:03

I should. What are we gonna talk about this week? Can you

4:05

tell there's not a lot on the menu? There is actually

4:08

a lot on the menu. It's

4:10

just, you know, kind of getting towards the end of the year

4:12

now where slowly losing state. We've

4:14

got that section later on, Toffee chat. Yes,

4:17

I've been blown out a load early

4:19

on that one. I mean, it's all gone. Who

4:23

decided rum and raisin toffee was a good

4:25

idea, by the way, I never liked that one. Awful. Yeah,

4:27

I'm just not eating that. Yeah, yeah, just a normal

4:29

topic. Right, what have

4:31

we got first? Let's just, I'm not even gonna tease what

4:33

we got. Let's just go with the flow of it and see what

4:35

happens first. Dale. Hello. You've

4:38

been playing a new PlayStation console. Oh,

4:40

wow. Doesn't come out. Is

4:42

it a console though? I think that's

4:45

the thing. The PlayStation Portal,

4:47

which is the new, is it

4:49

a space you could literally call it handheld?

4:52

I consider it an accessory. Yeah. That's

4:54

exactly what it is. Because you need a PlayStation 5

4:57

to play it, right? It's basically a very

4:59

fancy way to play remote play. Yes,

5:02

but. Comes with a

5:04

few events. So I've seen this conversation. So

5:06

I wrote an article the other day about how the PlayStation Portal is

5:08

perfect for me. And off the back of that,

5:10

I've had people messaging me with

5:12

both sides of the spectrum. Very

5:16

measured responses as well. A couple were

5:18

very lovely and we were grimy because they were like, one

5:20

person actually said more dad content on IGN.

5:23

Because a lot of- More dad or more daddy

5:25

content? Very specifically

5:27

dad. Right? Because

5:29

the crux of my Agma was

5:32

like, I just had a son in July and a lot

5:34

of the time in the living room now, I used

5:36

to have on my PlayStation has kind of been lost. I've

5:40

gained something that's much better. But he's playing it

5:42

now. No, he's

5:44

watching YouTube. He'd like, so,

5:46

I don't know if you heard of Miss

5:48

Rachel. I have heard of Miss Rachel. She is

5:50

a YouTube sensation. You should see the traffic

5:53

she does. It's insane. I'm a little shocked as

5:55

well. It's totally

5:57

YouTube, Jesse. She's just someone who talks to the camera.

6:00

and she does like, teaches them how to speak, teaches them songs

6:02

and things like that. But it is

6:04

engrossing for a toddler. And when you need 10 minutes

6:07

to go make dinner or something, it's

6:09

perfect to put on and distract the baby. Anyway,

6:13

we have a lot of guests right now visiting the baby, he has

6:15

a lot of nap times obviously. And

6:17

it largely meant that I couldn't, I

6:20

can't really play on my PlayStation because the big screen

6:22

would be like the lights and the sound of it, which would

6:24

obviously not be optimal. So

6:28

the PlayStation portal like came at like the exact

6:31

right time for me. But

6:33

I've always been interested in remote

6:35

play anyway because it's been

6:37

an option for a few years and there's this

6:40

thing called the Backbone Controller, which is a

6:42

third party controller that you can plug into your phones.

6:45

I did actually buy that last year and I returned

6:48

it within a week. It

6:50

has another main

6:52

reason why I really like the PlayStation portal. I

6:55

think almost every handheld controller

6:57

ever sucks ass. Like

7:00

I've never had a comfortable handheld

7:02

experience ever. Even the Switch, I

7:05

love the Switch and I played games for like, you know, I played

7:07

Zelda for like 60 hours on it. But

7:10

the Joy-Cons suck, right? Like

7:13

and I played the Switch exclusively in

7:15

handheld as well because I don't

7:17

have it set up in my house for playing

7:20

it with a Pro Controller. Obviously I understand the Pro Controller

7:22

is good, but I think the Joy-Cons, even

7:24

the drift thing aside, are just really

7:27

uncomfortable to play. I thought the

7:29

Vita was largely uncomfortable. The PSP

7:32

had that terrible, slidey little nub

7:35

analog thing. Gameboy Advance is great. I

7:38

love the Gameboy Advance. Yeah, all right. OK. Not

7:41

all the time. I'm talking of recent generations. OK,

7:43

even the Steam Deck, which I haven't played

7:46

that much, but I had a little go on and I was just

7:48

like, this thing just weighs too much. It's too big

7:50

and clunky. I never felt comfortable. The

7:52

PlayStation 4 is

7:55

just a dual sense. It is

7:57

a dual sense controller. One of them is green

7:59

in the middle. with the screen in the middle, but it feels,

8:01

when you're holding it in your hands, it feels exactly like

8:03

a dual sense. Obviously, your hands are a little bit wider

8:05

apart, but yeah. So

8:08

I was immediately sold on that

8:10

idea. Basically means I can do remote play, I

8:12

can play my PS5 in handheld, but now

8:14

I'm holding a dual sense without

8:17

having to like tether a dual sense

8:19

to a phone or something like that.

8:21

So it was absolutely up my

8:23

alley. And the thing I would say,

8:25

this is extremely anecdotal. And also, as

8:28

I'm saying it, I'm realising I did change my

8:30

internet within the last six months. But

8:33

last year, but the place I thought feels so much

8:35

more reliable in terms of connection than the backbone

8:38

did. Like incredibly

8:40

so. And like I said, yes, it might be

8:42

down to my internet speeds. But I

8:44

haven't I think I've saw like, one

8:47

little lag at one point, I've played the things

8:49

I don't know, probably about five hours so far.

8:52

There is it was a slight buffering when you first

8:54

boot it up. But after about 10 seconds

8:56

or so that sort of levelled out. And then I was just

8:58

playing I was playing Alan Wake 2 on it and I was just playing

9:01

it like the exact same experience and

9:03

I was playing it a good I

9:05

don't know, 20 feet away from my

9:07

PS5 on a different Wi Fi signal

9:09

because I've got a booster at the back of my house as well.

9:12

And it was absolutely flawless. And it's

9:15

a very nice screen because like Alan Wake 2 is a game I'd

9:17

want it to look as nice as possible.

9:19

It's not an OLED, but it

9:21

does look really, really good. Like and I

9:24

think Seth said in our review as well. It's like shockingly,

9:26

it looks shockingly good as well.

9:29

This is an expensive device. This is like 200 pounds,

9:31

right? So this is an absolutely if

9:33

you've got a situation like mine, you're like, I really

9:35

want remote play, then I would

9:37

recommend it. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody

9:40

who just fancies it on a whim, you know, or just

9:42

I mean, yeah, did you say like 300? 200 is 200. Okay. Yeah. It's

9:44

the it's

9:48

definitely a purchase with intent,

9:50

like the idea of like if you have to fight in your house for

9:52

screen time. And I do quite

9:54

a lot because my wife doesn't play games, but she obviously

9:57

wants to watch TV and stuff. And she

9:59

actually said to me the other day, she was watching,

10:01

oh god, one of those awful reality

10:04

shows about estate agents in

10:07

LA. Oh, selling sunsets?

10:09

Yeah, she's watching that show and

10:12

I was like, oh, I can play Alan Wake 2

10:14

while you're watching this. And we sat there together on the sofa

10:16

and she was watching TV and I said that and she goes, I like that

10:18

device. It means I can sit next

10:20

to you and watch TV while you're playing your games. And

10:23

I was like, this is perfect. It's like,

10:25

it's perfect for me. Does it have a like, can

10:27

you do you have to have headphones with it?

10:30

You don't have to. It does have speakers. The speakers aren't

10:32

very good. They're very like tinny

10:35

phony speakers, really. But

10:37

you can do that. But yeah, there's just a so

10:39

this is there is caveats. There

10:42

is a 3.5 headphone jack underneath

10:44

it, which works fine. But if you

10:46

want to use Bluetooth headphones,

10:48

which a lot of people do these days, it doesn't

10:51

have that functionality, which is insane.

10:53

That's weird. What it does have is

10:55

Sony's proprietary Bluetooth

10:57

thingy, whatever it's called, like link or

11:00

something like that. It's like a little dongle you have to connect to

11:02

it. No, no, no. It's just you can only connect

11:04

their official devices, the

11:06

pulse headphones and their new little

11:09

earphones that are coming out soon. They're not even out yet.

11:11

That's the joke. At

11:13

least I do not. I'd kind of almost be

11:15

more annoyed. Would I be more annoyed? I don't

11:17

know. It annoys me more when like phones like

11:20

don't have a jack anymore. And they only have Bluetooth.

11:23

I'm like, just let me put headphones in. I

11:25

mean, I like I don't go wrong. I have different

11:27

sets of Bluetooth headphones I use for my phone

11:30

and my laptop and things like that. It would

11:32

have been nice. But also I'm

11:34

holding the thing right in my hand anyway. Is it that much of

11:36

a problem having the headphones? I was

11:38

gonna say it'd be annoying on a flight but you wouldn't have to use

11:41

this thing on a flight anyway. So it's definitely not for that.

11:43

Don't buy this device thinking it's a commuting

11:45

device or travel device. I mean, you can only really I

11:47

would be intrigued like one day if you

11:49

took like next summer in the office if you took it into the office

11:52

and you tried playing it on the Wi Fi in the office. It

11:54

worked fine. Hope. I bet you see the

11:56

latency of others be intrigued. Yeah. So

11:59

I mean, it's So like I said, I've done it over

12:01

different Wi-Fi signals and

12:04

it seems to work fine. Seth,

12:06

who did a re-went to coffee shops and he tested it, he

12:08

said it seemed to work good. It just needs a good

12:11

internet connection on both ends. Your

12:13

home needs to have a good internet connection and where you are.

12:16

It's definitely something I'm going to take on work trips

12:19

or even a holiday because in a

12:21

hotel room, you usually have pretty good internet.

12:24

I'm wondering how's that similar problem like, because it's always a nightmare

12:26

to connect to switch to hotel Wi-Fi just because

12:29

like for some reason it can't bypass those

12:31

and I wonder what it's like. At least it has,

12:33

like PlayStation has its own sort of internet

12:35

browser thingy. So if you had to like go through

12:37

that. So it doesn't have this. So it

12:40

doesn't have this. Oh, so that's another point of Seth's review. If you should read

12:42

Seth's review by the way, it's really good. But

12:45

another thing he points out is it currently doesn't

12:47

have the ability to go into a browser on

12:49

a hotel Wi-Fi. You got

12:51

to think they're going to patch that in. They

12:53

have to or not. Yeah. It's

12:56

not great. But otherwise in hotels, you can just jump

12:58

straight on. Yeah. The only other thing

13:00

I thought would be useful for is like if you just want to watch some YouTube or something.

13:02

Have you tried watching any Netflix or YouTube? No, I haven't

13:05

actually. I suspect

13:08

there might be some sort of issue with that.

13:10

I don't know. You know, this,

13:13

I'm not sure. I'm going to test that. I

13:16

only watch Sky through my PS5

13:19

because I use my dad's Sky Go login.

13:22

So I might test that out next time there's football

13:24

on and I'm not allowed to watch it on TV. I

13:27

might beat up the port and see if I can do it. I could do

13:29

it on the phone as well, to be fair, because I don't

13:31

need the controller. That's the thing.

13:33

It's a slightly bigger screen. I'm getting there. You

13:35

can't exactly set it down though, right? Normally, because it is just

13:37

a controller. It doesn't have any sort of stand. It

13:40

doesn't have a kickstand, but I'm sure you can buy. There's

13:43

already loads of accessories. I've already had some. I'll

13:45

probably get me the case for Christmas. A couple

13:47

more questions. Hey, does it get like really

13:50

hot? Not

13:52

that I'm aware of, but I imagine the

13:54

heat is probably in the part that you're not touching.

13:57

So you're holding the controller, but I imagine maybe the back of the screen might get

13:59

wet. warm. I've never tested it. Two more questions

14:02

actually. In terms of

14:04

how heavy is it, like compared to the Switch, are

14:06

you gonna not want to hold it for like two hours

14:08

in a row? It feels shockingly light.

14:11

Surprisingly light. Honestly, it's

14:14

very negligible to the weight of DualSense.

14:17

It probably is heavier and it

14:20

probably feels a tiny bit heavier, but I never felt

14:22

like I was being weighed down by the same, like the Steam Deck.

14:24

I feel like I could probably

14:28

comfortably, like the ultimate test is

14:30

if you can lie down in bed and hold it above your

14:32

head and how long you could hold it for. And

14:34

I feel like I could probably do that for quite a while. That is the ultimate

14:36

test. Yeah. My last

14:39

one, because this is why I like the DualSense controller

14:41

a lot, but I

14:43

swear my battery life sometimes is like an hour on

14:45

that thing. It just doesn't last long. Like what is the battery

14:47

life like on this? So I haven't put it to

14:49

the test and I've only charged it once

14:51

and I didn't charge it because it was dying. I charged

14:54

it because, oh, I've used this for a bit. I should probably put

14:56

it on charge. But Seth said he did

14:58

test and I think it was around four to five hours with

15:02

full screen brightness as well. If you're only using

15:04

it at home and charging, when are you

15:07

ever going to use it more than five hours? Exactly. Yeah,

15:09

that's entirely reasonable. This is the perfect

15:11

device for me to like, oh, I can't have my TV

15:13

for an hour. I'm going to just, I want to play it,

15:15

but I've got time to play it. Like not perfect

15:18

to play Persona 5 and I'm telling you get Persona 5

15:20

booted up. I'm not going to play that. I've got lots of

15:23

games to be playing. I've

15:26

had a great time with it. I'm sure there's going to be

15:28

issues, but I think largely a

15:31

lot of the issues will be dependent on what your internet connection

15:33

is like and the place your PlayStation

15:35

is and the place that you're playing

15:37

it. But so far I think it's

15:39

a pretty impressive device and it feels like a good

15:42

piece of tech as well. Like the drill sense feels like

15:44

a good controller. So you got the Alan White 2 Play

15:46

as well? I did. I got that last night. I need

15:49

to go back and finish the game, but I need to go

15:51

back and just get all those little dull outfits.

15:53

Not through that Jesse, because if I've got the option

15:55

to be on my TV, I'm going to do that. Okay, yeah, that makes

15:57

sense. But I did play about two

16:00

or three chapters on the portal. I played

16:03

one of Saga's chapters from start to finish

16:05

through the portal. That's cool. Good

16:07

game. What

16:10

next? Why don't we talk about

16:13

Scott Pilgrim Takes Off? I've watched

16:15

all of this. How much have you guys watched

16:17

if any? Four episodes I've watched.

16:20

Okay, so you've got a good gist of what I've

16:22

been doing. Yeah, I've definitely got the hook

16:24

of it, which I wasn't expecting,

16:27

which is nice. Neither was I. Jesse, have you

16:29

watched any? I've not seen any despite

16:31

loving, you know, Scott Pilgrim versus the

16:33

world. I don't actually really know what the premise

16:35

is behind this one. I thought is it just a remake

16:37

of the film? So that's what it was gonna

16:39

be. I thought it was gonna I thought it was so

16:42

people didn't know Scott Pilgrim versus the world was actually

16:44

a comic book series before the film.

16:47

And this is much more this is kind of like, it's

16:50

taken the art style of the comic books and it's

16:52

more of an adaptation of the comic books, except

16:56

it isn't because I didn't really read anything about

16:58

this. I don't know if they did reveal any of this before it came

17:00

out. But I went into this expecting

17:03

a straight adaptation of that story. And I was I was

17:05

kind of happy about that thought. Well, cool. We can see an animated

17:08

version of this story with maybe some of the bits

17:10

they left out from the comic books in the

17:12

film, added back in. But what they

17:14

actually do is turn

17:16

the whole thing on its head within

17:19

one the first episode, they do the really

17:21

smart thing of the first episode being beat for beat,

17:23

the opening of that story, and then they just pull

17:26

the rug from underneath you. I don't want to

17:28

spoil it too much. But I think

17:30

you can say like what the

17:32

weather the split was. It's very much

17:34

like a what if episode Marvel

17:36

what if. Exactly. Okay. And then I

17:39

think I think it's fair to say like, what if well,

17:42

at the end of the first episode, basically, the fight

17:44

that he does with Matthew Patel, which is the

17:46

first of Ramona's evil exes doesn't

17:48

go the way it does, basically, the way

17:51

and essentially for the rest of the show, Ramona becomes

17:53

the lead. Well, it's called Scott Pogan

17:56

takes off for a reason, right? Like it's about all the

17:58

other characters mostly. And it is It

18:01

is focused on each episode,

18:03

even though it's kind of Ramona as the lead and there's always the

18:05

cast of characters there, it does feel like each episode

18:08

is more focused on learning more

18:10

about an Evil X and like seeing a different

18:12

side of an Evil X. If I get to see more Chris Evans.

18:15

Well you do, he's really good in that one. And

18:19

that's a good thing, they've got every member

18:22

of the cast from the film to come back and voice their

18:24

characters, which makes it feel great.

18:27

I'm

18:28

blanking on his name, Scott Pilgrim.

18:31

Michael

18:31

Sarah. Michael Sarah's not in it, is

18:33

he? That is Michael Sarah. Is it his

18:36

voice? It didn't sound like his voice when I was watching

18:38

it. Unless I've got mad. I recognise that.

18:40

That is Scott Pilgrim. No, I

18:42

know that, he's Scott Pilgrim from the movie but in the animated

18:45

show on some of the voices. Yeah, that's what I

18:47

was going to ask actually, like, because I

18:49

don't know when was the last time you guys watched a film.

18:51

Yeah, it's Michael Sarah, it's absolutely, it's the

18:53

whole thing. Oh my God, everyone's back. I knew, I recognised

18:56

everyone else but I thought he was different for some reason, I don't

18:58

know why. I love having, watch

19:00

my Kirk, Kieran Culkin back as well as

19:02

Wallace, he's fantastic. Especially after

19:04

like, what he's, the ride he's been on with Successions,

19:07

hearing him go back to that role is really fun. That's

19:09

what I wanted to ask, like, like

19:12

I just, so I don't know how, when was the last time you guys saw the

19:14

film but does that, like,

19:15

I don't know,

19:17

does aniness and charisma like transfer

19:19

into their voices? Yeah, they feel

19:21

like they're same characters. And

19:24

it's doing this for like, this constant

19:26

sort of meta weirdness of all of it, it's like,

19:28

is this, it's kind of an adaptation

19:31

but also kind of a sequel but

19:33

also kind of just like

19:35

a story within a story, it's very odd, it's

19:37

very clever. It's a sequel if

19:41

things went differently. It's very weird.

19:43

I'm going to be honest, when during the first episode

19:45

I always tended to stop watching because

19:47

I was like, I've seen this. Do

19:50

I need to, and I found

19:52

the animated version a little bit, the

19:54

performance is a little bit less charming than

19:56

the actual like film version, which

19:59

I love.

20:00

But as soon, I think it was, there's

20:03

a section in the show

20:06

where it's, the same scene is happening

20:08

for the film, in the first episode this is, but

20:10

they change stuff about it. Is it the sonic

20:13

bit? The sonic bit, yeah. And at that point I was like,

20:15

oh, they're adding new things, they're changing

20:17

things, now I'm interested. But at that

20:19

point it was like, this is just the same jokes,

20:21

the same rhythm, the same like, why would I not

20:23

watch the film? But yeah. And

20:26

then the ending, yeah, the first episode is really exciting and then

20:28

it's like, well, okay, you're off to the races now, you don't know

20:30

what you're doing now. And I thought, oh, maybe they're doing

20:32

a subtle change, but no, from there on it is

20:34

a completely different story, which is really

20:36

good and it ends really well as well. And yeah,

20:39

it's now become one of my favorite TV shows, yes. And

20:41

I wasn't expecting that at all. Because

20:44

as a rule, I generally, you know, it's

20:46

not really anime, although it isn't

20:48

made by Japanese. Yeah, it's

20:51

not a traditional anime art style,

20:53

which does put me on sometimes, but I'm

20:56

big, I'm just big into this. I really love it.

20:58

And the music is fantastic. There is also a really cool

21:01

element to it where, so there

21:04

is, at one point they're making

21:06

a movie of the original

21:08

movie. And

21:10

the characters are talking about the original movie, like, why

21:13

would my character do this? Oh no, why

21:15

did that happen? My character's not like that. And

21:17

there's like fun cameos, like you've got Nick Frost and Simon

21:20

Pegg playing security guards eating

21:22

cornettos. There's

21:24

a little meta things like that. Like

21:27

the director of that film is called Edgar Rong. Oh

21:30

yes, yeah. It's just like really funny

21:32

little meta jokes like that. Sounds like a fun thing to watch.

21:34

It's really good and it's only eight 25 minute episodes

21:37

as well. Yeah, quite sure. And also

21:39

there's a cool thing, the start of each episode has

21:41

a title and each title is stylized

21:44

in the video game style logo. Yeah,

21:46

there's a little like video game. There's like Super Mario

21:49

and then there was, I think it was Streets of Rage. And

21:53

there was a Bubble Bubble one and things

21:55

like that. There's Resident Evil there. I haven't

21:58

watched them all yet, mate. So I don't know about it.

21:59

so you

22:00

know it goes into that it's more like

22:02

the snares generation it just does a fantastic

22:05

job of taking the essence of those comic

22:08

books and of the film and yeah also like

22:10

you different with it Tanya you might have better ideas but

22:12

I had a quick skim through like the episode titles

22:14

and stuff as it goes the episodes

22:17

more themed around like a style of like

22:21

is there a documentary episode

22:23

right

22:26

and then I saw one that there was something else I

22:28

implied oh those that was a Fast and Furious

22:30

style episode oh right I don't know if it's like

22:33

a style like that but yeah they they play off

22:35

of like different things yeah

22:37

I think set the last episodes school like called like

22:39

to Scott to pilgrim well it's obviously

22:45

a reference to possible yeah that'll make them yeah things will make

22:51

more sense what you've watched them but it's

22:53

just really good and I said the music is good

22:55

I know if you've watched the episode yeah but there's a really great

22:57

scene where knives learn space

23:01

yeah I have to do that yeah yeah really

23:03

good song and also I

23:06

like that United States of whatever was played

23:08

in it I probably came

23:11

out 15 years ago but it's a long time

23:13

since I've heard that song it works perfectly

23:15

yeah yeah it's just very good takes

23:17

the essence of Scott pilgrim and I can that's good about

23:20

it Jesse have you ever we were talking about before

23:22

we started this podcast we were talking about the streets and you've not

23:24

heard of the streets have you ever heard of the song United

23:26

States of whatever no I haven't you

23:29

might maybe maybe I've played

23:31

a little bit then yeah like someone like

23:33

basically talking again and then he just kicks

23:35

in to say whatever and some music kicks in

23:37

and then we're definitely that's our end song with player

23:44

yeah I really like it I don't

23:46

encourage anyone and you know you don't

23:48

need to have watched the film you'll

23:51

have more fun if you've either watched Scott pilgrim or

23:53

watched or read the original cover it's

23:55

yeah with this but you could easily not

23:58

I don't know I don't think you'd be lost I don't know I feel like the

24:00

value is knowing what the

24:02

original was. Yeah. I

24:04

don't know. Yeah. It's just

24:06

very good. Check out Spot the

24:18

real version of Squids game where

24:21

they're just murdering hundreds of people. Right. This is

24:23

how this goes. Well, some people

24:25

are really into it. Yeah, absolutely.

24:28

The producers sat them all down and made them sign

24:31

an agreement that says when your pack

24:33

goes off, you have to pretend like you've been shot

24:35

and lie down. Really? They actually I didn't know they

24:37

do it. Some people follow

24:40

the memo closer than others. Yeah,

24:42

they have like a little pack in it. It's like

24:45

black ink or something that goes underneath their shirt. Right.

24:47

But every time it goes off, they always like drop

24:50

their clothes off. I'm going to watch it now just to see

24:52

these people fake their deaths. Some of

24:54

them are really into it. Some of them are like smiling

24:57

while they're doing it and just lying down slowly and

24:59

stuff. So yeah, people don't know this is Squid

25:01

game the challenge. It's kind of taken

25:03

all the lessons learned from the actual

25:05

drama series of Squid game and gone, nah, let's

25:07

just actually do it for real. Which

25:10

is like, if you get it is

25:12

a fun concept. Yeah. Right. And what

25:15

I like about it though. Let me tell you. So yes,

25:18

it does follow the premise of the show in terms

25:20

of like the game show elements of it. But

25:23

they're definitely doing their adding their own like elements

25:26

to it. They're adding their own twist. There's a lot more. I

25:28

don't remember if these happen during the show,

25:31

but I feel like there's a lot more social experiments in

25:33

between the big games. Yeah, they've got side

25:35

games and stuff where you know, might be one

25:37

or two people might, you know, go off

25:39

and do something and that can influence whether

25:41

they can help another player or they can live.

25:44

Yeah, always social experiments. They always like

25:46

the devil's plan. It's a little bit like, yeah,

25:48

that to an extent, but it's all but

25:50

it's a lot more simple. Like I think the devil's plan what

25:52

lets it down is like every game is like a needlessly

25:56

complex and they take about 30 minutes to explain. I

25:58

like my life. But yeah, they are. The squid

26:00

game is very very simple, you know like,

26:02

you know, from the like, don't move when a doll

26:04

looks at you. But I do think

26:06

they've done an excellent job in this reality show of adding

26:09

their own flares to it, adding their own like, little

26:11

elements. There is, oh

26:14

I don't want to read, but there is one game where, because

26:17

imagine everyone in that room, 456 of them right,

26:20

they've all watched squid game, they all think

26:22

they know the route, what's going to happen next,

26:24

and you think they can prepare for it, and then there's like

26:27

one game for example, where it's just not that, they

26:29

bait them into thinking it's that, and it's completely

26:31

not that way. It offers one of the best moments

26:33

where there's like, sort of a dude who's sort of almost

26:36

set up like a villain, like you already hate him,

26:38

and then ends up getting, I don't

26:40

know,

26:41

something bad happens then because of the, you know,

26:43

the notion that they're about to play

26:45

a game. I will check it out, like, I've seen, the

26:47

only clips I've seen are from like, the now

26:50

iconic sort of like, first game of that series,

26:52

right, the massive like, child, doll

26:55

thing, is that the, so far is that

26:57

the only one they've taken, or are

26:59

they actually like, I've only seen

27:01

two games so far from the show,

27:03

but. The first two games are the same, but

27:06

yeah, when it gets to the third it gets a little bit different,

27:09

but they've also like, I was

27:11

just saying, they've added little mini games in between,

27:14

and it's not, they're not really mini games, they are social

27:16

experiments, they are like, will this person do

27:18

this thing, and what's the risk of doing, I don't

27:20

want to reveal what these are, but it's usually like,

27:23

will you screw over somebody else

27:25

to do this, and yeah, it's

27:27

fascinating, and also, this is a weird comparison, but

27:29

I'm going to say it, it reminds

27:31

me of Game of Thrones, in a certain way,

27:35

and the reason is, so you

27:37

know what reality shows are like, right? It's

27:39

all cut, you know, they're picking a dozen

27:42

people, and then they're cutting to talking heads

27:44

of them, and trying to dig into their character more,

27:46

and they'll have like, there's one guy who's

27:48

a former basketball player, who like, he talks,

27:51

there's a team game part of it, and he starts

27:53

cutting to a story about how he scored the final

27:55

shot on the game, and like, he relates

27:57

it to reality, and it's like, it's an emotional

27:59

thing. journey that you're going on. It's reality show

28:02

fodder. However, they

28:04

keep doing this thing where they really focus

28:06

on people you think, oh, they're going to get

28:08

to the end of this game. They're going to be like in the final

28:10

round, right? Because they're invested cash there. And

28:13

they keep making me invest in these people.

28:15

And then those people lose and die and they

28:17

go off the show. And I'm like, I

28:19

just spent half an hour investing into this person.

28:21

And now you just got rid of them. And it's very Game

28:23

of Thrones like a few seasons there. And

28:26

I really like that because I don't, I

28:29

feel for the start of what, well, he's going to be the

28:31

finals, he's going to be the final. And

28:33

now it's like, I have no idea who's going to make this.

28:36

I will. I think I will check out because it's

28:38

actually some of the games like the

28:40

red, is it red, red, like green, like, red,

28:42

like green, like that one, you know, it'll be funny

28:45

to watch people fail out there. But like, the

28:47

one I really want to see is if they recreate and I don't have

28:49

to tell you yet, like the, is it the marbles one from

28:51

the show? Like mind games?

28:54

Like that's the one I'd be interested in. I haven't thought about that yet, but

28:56

it is in the intro, like montage.

28:59

So it is in there. I'm more intrigued

29:01

when it's people like messing, like just betraying

29:03

people and messing with their minds rather than, you know,

29:05

crawling across. I mean, and you get that with the mini games

29:08

as well. Because like, you know, they also the social experience,

29:10

but then you just have like some real like, I don't

29:12

know, anxiety inducing moments

29:14

like with the, like the cookie game that, you know,

29:16

where you have to bloody lick it and stuff just to try and

29:18

like get the shape and stuff. And there's one fella. Oh

29:21

my God. Exactly who you're

29:23

talking about. That's a guy, I think his number

29:25

is 299. And if you've ever watched like

29:28

always sunny, he's sort of replicating

29:30

like the gagging juice and feeling that

29:32

like sweet D always makes. And

29:34

it's just, it's so grim because this one guy is

29:36

so anxious and he's shaking when he's trying

29:38

to like get this perfect shape from the cookie. And

29:41

the sounds he makes, I think Netflix and Hans

29:43

van best sold grim. Yeah. He

29:45

is like riddled with anxiety and stress

29:47

and worry about it. They are licking a biscuit.

29:50

Well, it's really, but

29:53

also for that character. So

29:55

they do this amazing thing that I'm not

29:57

going to reveal what it is, but the start of that game.

30:00

They add an amazing element that really

30:02

pushes the social side of things that really

30:04

makes other people grow to hate other

30:07

people As if they're really

30:09

like antagonizing the situation. Yeah, I'm

30:11

gonna check it out I do like to see people squirt

30:13

of my work life and also everyone

30:15

on that show Well, not everyone

30:18

cuz we haven't seen everyone but the Madreja taking

30:20

it so goddamn seriously Oh like

30:22

he is actually life and death Oh like the

30:25

nerves and the people there's people one person that

30:27

is sitting in a queue at one point I think the start the

30:29

third game and she just starts crying and someone

30:31

I thought why you crying is a It's

30:34

like the stress of it all and I suppose when you're

30:36

in that environment is all in company I

30:38

really feel like and I saw a notice on me I mean

30:40

my partner finished the second episode last night was like

30:44

I feel like I can't tell people are hamming it up Oh, this

30:46

is gonna sound bad. It just feels like such an American thing.

30:48

Well, I was randomly like So they all

30:51

of them is it all American? No, it's global.

30:53

Yeah, there's a scout. There's a scout guy in there

30:56

one point Yet, so I

30:58

don't think it's global but it isn't it all

31:00

like English speaking countries Yes, I think

31:02

so because they show the start they show picking

31:05

people up from like America the UK Thing.

31:08

Yeah, I want to say maybe like where

31:10

was it? It was somewhere else anyway, but there's

31:12

like Australia. It's very Multicultural

31:15

there's lots of different types of people in there

31:17

But they make them all live like together

31:19

in that room on the best And

31:22

there is also like there's people

31:24

that know each other as well. Like there's a mother

31:26

and son Combination and I haven't

31:28

seen whatever happened to them But I was

31:31

really hoping as soon as they'll introduce that either

31:33

the mum or the son betrays each

31:35

other for the money It would just be hilarious. I

31:37

mean you could share it anyway, right? It's one of you Yeah, of

31:39

course I just want there to be a moment where the NAN's

31:42

just like fuck you it's weird you say that because

31:44

it's one point where people Are discussing other people and they

31:46

say oh, there's two of them because they can

31:48

share the money So we need to get rid of them

31:50

and it's like oh But the problem is also

31:53

is the dynamic of you don't it's like the

31:55

big brother style dynamic where you don't want to be the

31:57

loudest personality because

31:59

you draw attention to yourself you want to be in the background

32:01

for a while until the end and then you come out and

32:04

a lot of people don't work that out and they're too

32:06

loud and hate them because they're too loud. I just

32:08

think it'd be very funny at the end. I assume they're going to make it because it's called

32:10

Squid Game, right? Let's just see these two people play

32:12

this Korean place like playground game

32:14

at the end. Yeah, I don't know how that's going to work at the end.

32:17

Surely they're going to be slightly different with that because

32:19

that can't translate can it? I

32:21

don't know. Red light, green light, it's like they immediately like

32:23

as soon as the show starts they're in with that. Yeah.

32:26

It just feels like you know Squid Game, this

32:29

is very iconic imagery but we're getting this out of the way

32:31

and now we're going to mix things up a little bit. It

32:34

definitely felt like that. If you've got someone you want

32:36

to win yet, if you've got your favorite. I've definitely

32:38

got people I hate. Yeah.

32:41

Oh, Jesse, the guy

32:43

with, I don't know if he's actually Italian but he's got like an

32:45

Italian accent. He's number 161. He's

32:48

like, I can't. Oh, somebody told me. He

32:50

does an episode of like, you

32:52

are making enemies immediately, mate. He's

32:55

insufferable and then there's another guy who

32:57

I think his number is 222 and he's like

33:00

entirely blonde and has a blonde mustache

33:02

as well. He just looks like a dude from

33:04

like 21 Jump Street. He looks completely

33:06

out of place like an undercover cop or something. There's

33:11

also like a really, really sweet old man

33:13

who's there for the fun just like an actual Squid

33:15

Game. I'm not going to spoil

33:17

real life. I'm not going to spoil the series

33:20

of a big game if you haven't watched it yet but you

33:22

check out the original actual drama series

33:24

of Squid Game if you haven't because it's very good. I

33:27

love Jesse how you said you were going to try and watch your language.

33:30

No, but I had some cool stuff

33:32

like that because he really just grinds one. I

33:34

mean, there's several of them, right? Yeah, but

33:36

he's the worst and there's several people that get

33:38

done dirty as well. Like really

33:40

dirty and it's like you feel really bad for this one guy

33:42

just out of nowhere. He just gets eliminated

33:45

because people on secret just decided to eliminate

33:47

him for no reason. And

33:49

he's just like, what the hell? I literally just had

33:51

an everything you eliminated. To be fair though, if

33:53

I was in this situation because there's one point where a

33:55

couple of people like, oh, should we,

33:57

you know, give someone an advantage or eliminate them? them

34:00

and in my head I'm like if you're on the show you're better to get money like

34:02

why are you gonna try and be friends just

34:04

kill someone

34:06

but this is a special experiment though isn't it but

34:08

then they don't like to see you on a game show

34:11

it's a good game

34:13

too let's get him in let's move

34:16

on a couple of things to talk about salt

34:19

burn is a new film I saw last

34:21

night me and Matt Puzler went together to see

34:23

it and we both absolutely love this I'm

34:25

gonna speak for Matt because he told me he thought it was brilliant

34:27

he's not here to talk about it I'm gonna put words

34:30

in his mouth if

34:32

this if Martin Scorsese

34:34

didn't exist this would be my favorite film of the year I

34:37

absolutely love this film

34:39

if you don't know what it is it's the latest film from Emerald

34:41

Fennell who did promising

34:44

young woman have you seen promising young woman with

34:46

Carrie Mulligan in another

34:49

like very darkly comic thriller

34:52

film which I liked a lot but didn't love

34:54

ultimately but salt burn

34:56

I don't know it's tipped a lot of boxes this

34:59

been like dividing a lot of people I seem like

35:01

the gardening games from two stars I

35:04

think it's like I gave four and a half stars

35:06

on letter boxed dot-com

35:08

I've not had a really lovely it's

35:11

only been out a couple of days I think it's

35:14

very funny very dark

35:16

like a nasty film and that's

35:19

what I like I like a darkly comic film

35:21

and kind of it's got

35:23

that sort of same sort of class

35:27

structure sort of infiltration

35:29

of like parasite or the talented mr. Ripley

35:31

it's got that sort of thing going on of like someone

35:34

kind of like seeping into like a higher

35:37

class structure and trying to get

35:40

there I don't know like spin their web inside

35:43

it sort of thing it's got

35:45

Barry Keegan as Oliver and I

35:47

love a bit of Barry I do love a bit of and

35:51

it's kind of takes the story starts

35:53

with him he's like a scholar at Oxford

35:55

University and he's a bit of a loner

35:57

bit of an awkward kid and he's kind of

36:00

surrounded by all these quite, you know, posher,

36:03

richer people than him and he

36:05

suddenly, you know, starts to become, you

36:07

know, he spends the first what semester or so at this,

36:10

at Oxford, kind of just sticking

36:12

to his self, he has like one friend who's barely a

36:14

friend really, but then like something

36:16

happens and he starts to become friends with these like

36:19

richer kids, this sort of like social circle. So

36:22

much so that he becomes kind

36:24

of almost best friends with Jacob Elordi's character

36:26

Felix, who is this ridiculously

36:29

posh, rich, sort

36:31

of almost like, well, they are

36:34

stately homeowners, so he goes to spend the

36:36

break at his castle, which is called

36:38

Saltburn. His castle? Where's the

36:40

castle? It's like they're basically lords of...

36:43

That's a core name for a castle. Saltburn. Saltburn

36:45

is cool, isn't it?

36:47

Have you seen Jacob Elordi or anything? I think he's fantastic.

36:50

I don't know. He's in Euthoria

36:52

and he played Elvis in Priscilla that came out

36:54

this year. He's an Australian actor, but

36:56

I've never actually seen acts with his Australian

36:58

actor. He's like, you know, the

37:01

most handsome man in the world. He's ridiculous.

37:03

And indeed one of you thought that's suffering from

37:06

depression. He's still one of you four

37:08

who's kind of just, he plays this sort of like evil,

37:10

like everyone, I mean, half the characters in the Euthoria

37:12

are kind of evil to be fair, but like, he's like

37:15

sickening in that really. And in this,

37:17

he's kind of, he's playing this really posh like

37:19

British like son of basically

37:22

era, like, you know, he's an heiress to a castle, right?

37:24

And he's really good. And basically,

37:26

you know, Barry Kegan's Oliver

37:28

is kind of taken by him basically, he's like, Oh

37:31

my God, I'm in awe of you, basically. And

37:33

this kind of they asked the first line of the film is like, was

37:36

I in love with him? And that's kind of like the running theme was like,

37:38

what's the sort of relationship here? Right?

37:40

Is it obsession? Is it love? Is it hatred?

37:42

Is it, it's kind of like the

37:44

thriller kind of unfells

37:47

from there once he goes to stay at this castle and meets

37:49

his family and his parents are like hilariously

37:52

played by Richard E Grant and Rosamund Pike.

37:55

And Richard E Grant is just so good in this like

37:57

anything he says, I was laughing like he is

37:59

so There's one

38:02

little joke where they're having a fancy dress party

38:05

and Richie Yount goes, I can wear my armour!

38:09

And it's so perfectly delivered.

38:12

Rosamund Pike is just so dryly

38:15

funny. They don't realise how detached

38:17

from society they are. They'll just say things

38:19

that the poshest people on earth would say and you're

38:21

like, oh my god, what are you talking about?

38:25

I really, really love it. And the thing

38:28

I also love about it is it's set largely in 2006 and 2007

38:30

and it kind of transported

38:33

me back to that time. It

38:35

was what, two, three years before I went

38:37

to uni? So it's kind of like it felt, I didn't

38:39

go to Oxford, but you know, the

38:42

vibe was like similar. They

38:45

used the music, there was a block party and MGMT

38:48

playing and I felt like I was like 16, 17 again. And

38:51

everyone's just reading through the deafly

38:53

hallows at one point. Everyone's got that book

38:56

in hand, just like trying to get through

38:58

it as quick as possible. It's

39:01

kind of like transported back

39:03

to that time and I really enjoyed it, but it also

39:05

made me worried in my head. I was like, oh my god, that's a

39:07

period piece now. My teenage

39:09

years are now a period piece. I wasn't even a teenager

39:12

though, that makes it even more depressing. I was

39:14

in my prime in my twenties. But

39:17

this film, it goes places,

39:20

it's nasty, it's dark. It is

39:22

very funny, but I will warn people

39:24

now, it's got some things

39:26

you haven't seen before and it

39:29

ends in, I think, a hilarious way. And

39:34

by also this is definitely like a

39:36

bit of a Marmite film, I think. I

39:38

don't quite get the two-star reviews personally. I

39:40

think this is absolutely brilliant. Is it almost like

39:42

a Babylon situation where? Kind

39:46

of. I think the reason people didn't like Babylon is

39:48

because it was just long and winded and

39:50

more kind of went on and was directionless. More

39:52

like a mother situation maybe? Maybe

39:55

a little bit more like that. It's kind of, it's

39:58

got, I don't know, yeah. I'd say Parasite

40:00

but everyone loves Parasite. Is there anyone who doesn't like Parasite?

40:03

People who are on top titles. Yeah.

40:06

It's a real tight two hours and it's, like

40:09

I said, it's very funny, nasty.

40:12

But yeah, I absolutely loved it.

40:14

If you like a bit of Barry Keegan, here

40:17

you go, you gotta watch this. I do. But

40:19

yeah. I don't know. It's out in cinemas

40:21

at the moment. I don't know what it's like streaming plans or

40:23

stuff. I think it might be an Amazon

40:25

produced film so maybe it'll pop up on Prime

40:28

in the near future. Would you recommend it as a date

40:30

night film? No. Okay.

40:32

Well, maybe it was someone you've been, you know, with

40:34

your wife who you know for years and years. Not a first date.

40:37

With your PlayStation portal maybe. Yeah. Well,

40:40

you know, we do a date night at some point

40:42

because this little kid's been hanging around for about four months. I

40:44

went leave the cologne. I

40:47

know. I think you run the risk

40:49

of leaving that film and one of you say,

40:51

what was that? And the other guy, that was brilliant. Yeah. Which

40:54

always, you know, it's a fun debate sometimes. Sometimes

40:57

we have it. We have randomly

40:59

earmarks of the iron claw as a date night film

41:01

though. Well, I know

41:03

the background of that story and that does not sound like a laugh.

41:06

But I showed her the trailer because I was like, obviously I'm

41:09

interested in it, right? I showed

41:11

the trailer and she's like, it looks

41:14

really interesting apart from the wrestling bit. And then I had

41:16

to tell her the real story. It's like, don't worry about the wrestling

41:18

side. It's about a beauty. Yeah,

41:21

I don't want to spoil it but it's a dark story. Well,

41:23

it's about a family curse and abuse from a father

41:25

really. Yeah, yeah. A dark film. Spoiler.

41:29

But

41:30

yeah, maybe he may go see Napoleon. Nah. I

41:33

don't know. I went for the

41:35

home release on that one. Yeah. I

41:37

think if Killers of the Far Moon didn't come

41:39

out this year, this would be my film of the year. I absolutely,

41:42

I had just had a very fun time. It's

41:44

very, very fun. Yeah.

41:47

When did Killers of the Far Moon come to Apple TV? I

41:49

don't know. It's the biggest screen possible. I don't know. I

41:52

want to watch it but I'm not going to see it. I

41:55

wouldn't be surprised if it drops before Christmas. Hopefully, because

41:57

I really want to watch it. I'll give you a Christmas watch.

42:00

I think it's still in cinemas at the moment, but it'll probably

42:03

leave soon, right? Let's

42:05

get through a couple ones. I've barely played I

42:07

play like an hour of the Talos principle to But

42:10

I just want to shout out because we don't get

42:12

really good puzzle games that often apart from cocoon

42:14

Which came out this year humanity and needs to check

42:17

out but um Yeah,

42:19

Talos principle to I never actually played any of the

42:21

first Talos principle and it's one I've always had

42:23

on my backlog as like got it installed on

42:25

my face. I was not booted up, but I Was

42:28

just pleasantly surprised by the first hour

42:31

or so this game. I didn't know it was so story

42:33

heavy It's like you play as this Android

42:36

basically I think trying to I've

42:38

been trying to read a bit about story trying to risk kind of

42:40

restore humanity in a way and It

42:43

kind of opens up it has this like half an hour

42:45

tutorial section, which is a little bit dry But well

42:47

then once you get actually into the story and

42:49

the world It's really cool

42:52

and it's almost like a more utopian

42:54

version of the atomic heart world Like

42:56

there's no combat or anything, but like you go through

42:59

it's a similar thing you go through on this train So it's like

43:01

really like modern looking city and

43:03

now it's just really into it and it

43:05

just has a really cool puzzles I don't really have

43:07

much more to say about it than that Just I was quite

43:09

impressed that it looked that good and I didn't

43:11

know it was that involved Is it very Eastern European

43:14

then in terms of it? No, no, no It's

43:19

hard to it's like if you watch the intro to this

43:21

game you'd get why

43:23

me I don't know Yeah,

43:26

I was just I'm personally so what is the good

43:28

puzzle game God is doing

43:31

all the cult stashes in Alan Wake to

43:33

I had a lot of fun solving

43:35

those puzzles Yeah, I think like with me

43:37

and Matt talk about in our previous stuff They're

43:39

kind of that step above resi puzzles that

43:41

they actually challenge you have to actually yeah

43:43

Apply your brain just a little bit more than

43:45

you would in resi. Yeah, you can kind

43:47

of brute force away from I need to Go back to yes, so

43:50

I'm a platinum trophy away

43:52

Well a couple of trophies right from the platinum is yeah,

43:55

I've got either slashes and the dollhouse. I

43:57

do there is um There's the adverts

43:59

that you need to watch. There is one

44:02

that's missable in chapter one and I had to go back

44:04

and restart the game and play it again together. But you

44:06

can do it in ten minutes. Which one is that?

44:09

Do you know? It was like, it

44:12

was a very happy welcome one to

44:14

Cauldron Lake. Maybe I didn't. It

44:19

was very easy to miss and I can imagine you missed

44:22

it. I don't know, I was very

44:24

thorough in that game. Play chat. Play chat.

44:26

Yeah, good game, aren't we? Is

44:29

Bluey the video gamer good game, Jesse?

44:32

I wouldn't say so. And weirdly

44:34

enough, I've had a few pals who

44:36

have younger brothers or younger

44:38

sisters and stuff and even they

44:41

were asking like, you know, you finished the

44:43

game, is it even worth playing

44:45

with them? And it's like, I don't

44:47

know, because it is really, I mean, when

44:49

I played it, it was 45 minutes of

44:52

my time, really, to get from start to finish.

44:54

And I don't. Yeah, but you also play games

44:56

like a map. Probably like an hour and a

44:58

half for most people. I was recording it and trying

45:00

to make it as like, normal looking

45:02

as possible. Not that it was a struggle for me, but I was just playing

45:05

it. I thought you were going to say cinematic. Long

45:08

B-roll. I just,

45:10

I don't know if it's like, fun

45:13

enough even for a kids game. Fun even

45:15

in the sense where like, you could play

45:17

near enough any sort of, you know, and I know this

45:19

is a big difference in quality, but you

45:21

know, how you could fast control

45:24

for like a Mario game and just have

45:26

fun in that kind of game. Like for a five year old, I think it would

45:28

satisfy them. I think don't discount

45:30

the kids ability to have fun just by seeing

45:33

the characters they know from a TV show, being

45:35

able to move them around. It doesn't mean, I mean,

45:37

I'm not saying that's an excuse. It doesn't mean you should phone in

45:39

a game, right? Which I'm not saying they have, but

45:41

this has been actually quite, we've gave it a four out

45:44

of 10, right? Like it's, I think more

45:46

than it just maybe not being very fun, isn't

45:48

it? Actually just very buggy as well. Yeah, it's just,

45:50

it's a bit, it's a bit of a mess. There's plenty of times

45:52

where, and I can imagine this would really,

45:55

really annoy any child who even, you know,

45:57

could remotely like understand what they were like.

46:00

hold it and try to play but there's times when just buying

46:02

inputs just won't work, times when that line

46:04

of dialogue will repeat after

46:06

and after each other and stuff it's

46:08

mad.

46:09

Same score as Modern World for

46:11

free isn't it? Very similar

46:13

games. That means they're the same isn't it?

46:16

That means they're exactly the same.

46:19

For exactly the same audience and exactly the same

46:22

budget. Would

46:24

you recommend this to someone who has a

46:26

young kid? You get essentially what

46:29

four episodes of Bluey that are playable? Yeah.

46:32

Take the gameplay out of it. Are the actual stories

46:34

like feel like Bluey? Have you watched Bluey before?

46:36

Does it feel like a Bluey? I've watched a decent amount

46:38

of them. You don't have

46:41

kids?

46:41

No, but like when I've been with

46:45

like when me and my partner went

46:47

to Holland one of her mates who

46:49

we'll stay in with they have a younger brother they

46:51

just watch Bluey every day so we saw so

46:53

much Bluey and they're all like really fun

46:56

episodes. I feel like could translate to a game there's

46:58

one episode called Shadowlands where

47:01

Bluey and her mates are like. Shadowlands? Yeah,

47:03

no, no, no, but it makes sense. Bluey gets the Shadowlands like

47:05

a Skyrim DLC. It sounds

47:08

darker than what it is. But Bluey and

47:10

her mates and her parents and stuff like having a big picnic

47:12

and the kids like run away from the like sort of little

47:14

picnic area and they're staying in

47:16

like the shadow of the clouds and then

47:18

hop into like other shadows

47:21

so they can get far. Okay, like floor is lava sort of thing.

47:23

Yeah, yeah and funnily enough they do have the floor is lava

47:25

in the game but it's like there's little moments

47:28

from like so many of the episodes that they could

47:30

have turned into fun

47:32

little games and gamified it where they just didn't

47:35

most of the games are just run to

47:37

this person and press A and that's about

47:39

it. I thought they keep you up here now. You told them to keep you

47:41

up here. Yeah, but even that is gonna

47:43

sound silly like even that like you only get to play

47:46

it like unless you forcibly want to

47:48

play it you just have to keep you

47:50

up here like twice and then that's it it's just over

47:52

like. Right, I mean anyone can keep you up twice

47:54

right? I know but kicking a ball twice.

47:57

It's just like I don't know I

47:59

feel.

48:00

It's that weird thing where, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago, you know,

48:02

you might have a bloody PS3 game or

48:04

other for like a stupid kids film

48:07

or something, and you know it's going to be kind of crap.

48:09

But then I feel like with Bluey, there's the quality

48:12

that's there, because each of the episodes are only like

48:14

seven minutes long, but it's genuinely like a good kid

48:16

show. Who is Bluey and what's their deal?

48:19

What do they want in life? Tell me about

48:21

Bluey. I mean Bluey is just a

48:24

child dog with her little sister Bingo

48:26

and her dad Bandit and her mum Chillie, and they're just

48:28

vibing in Australia, having a good time. Wait,

48:30

Bandit, Chillie, Bingo and Bluey?

48:33

For Bluey, the main star, Bingo,

48:36

her little sister, Bandit, the dad and

48:38

Chillie, the mum. Why are they not all bees? Why

48:40

is that would annoy them? Yeah, that's really annoying. Yeah.

48:43

Why is it not Billy and not Chillie? I

48:45

mean, I don't know. I haven't

48:47

got that far into the lore yet. I have

48:50

no reason to watch Bluey. Five-thirty is very

48:52

good. I'm expecting to have to watch it in a couple of years' time,

48:54

so I'm preparing my deal. I genuinely

48:56

feel like you would enjoy it. Do you know

48:58

what? I genuinely enjoy some Peppa Pig episode.

49:01

I've watched a lot of them, and some of them are actually like,

49:03

I'm not watching Bluey after work. I've still

49:05

kind of like, did what I did the other night, I watched three hours of Barry

49:08

Linden. I'm not watching Bluey. Why

49:10

would you watch that? Because

49:12

Stanley Kubrick, mate. Oh, it's not good. No,

49:15

it's not good. It is good. Oh,

49:17

I don't like that film. Every frame of that

49:20

film is like a fucking like Georgian painting.

49:22

It's incredible. Yeah, I

49:24

definitely think that's one of his weakest. Still

49:27

a four-star film. Genuinely, though,

49:29

at some point, I want to hear your opinion on Bluey Dale,

49:32

because there are moments when you'll find out in like

49:34

three years. Yeah, exactly. But there are

49:36

moments that are fun for adults. I appreciate kids

49:38

shows like Peppa

49:40

Pig, ones where they have a like, a

49:43

concise story that they're like a through-line

49:45

story they're telling, and not shows like In

49:47

the Nightgun or whatever, where it's just like, it's just

49:49

nonsense. There's nothing actually happening. There's

49:52

definitely like little specific things,

49:55

whether it's like a lesson about, I don't know,

49:57

problem solving or a lesson about, you know, things.

50:00

That like mums have to always do in a day

50:02

or dads have to do and my other little bits That's specific

50:04

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Anyway, there's no end to search this week

52:36

because we've got something else instead. I kind of jokingly

52:39

put the call out for it in AMA. There was

52:41

no topic that was like

52:43

that. Your ego

52:45

got the better of you at that moment. Well, it wasn't just for

52:48

me. I didn't even know if I was going to be on this week. I mean,

52:50

I am on 95% of the day.

52:53

And we did. We got an email from CJ

52:55

in Nebraska who sent us a few questions.

53:01

Hey, all. I hope everyone on the iGen UK

53:03

crew is doing well. I

53:06

can't speak for a phone. I'm all right. I'm okay.

53:08

Get over a bit of a cold CJ, but yeah, I'm okay.

53:11

Having some ramen tonight, so I'm excited. Do

53:13

you know what? I've got

53:15

one, two, three,

53:17

three or four weeks left before the Christmas break.

53:20

I can't wait for two weeks off.

53:22

Sounds like heaven at the moment. Yeah. It's

53:26

been a good year, productive year, but

53:29

it felt tiring. Anyway,

53:31

he says, not sure if you're really doing an

53:33

AMA episode. So on the off chance that you are,

53:35

I thought I'd throw in a few questions. I don't know the whole

53:37

episode, but we'll do a section now. Nice

53:40

little mixture of questions here. So here's what

53:42

CJ wants to know. Of course, he didn't know who he'd be asking

53:45

these to. So who knows what we're going to hear.

53:47

Sorry, CJ. You got me. Oh,

53:50

I think that's a pleasure for anyone. And

53:53

you'll love this question too, as well. Cause I know like

53:55

me, you love you. I know the answer

53:57

immediately. Okay. Then if you could. host

54:00

a three-day music festival with any

54:02

three bands or artists living or dead

54:05

who would you pick I want to hear

54:07

Jesse first on this because it'll be weird

54:09

and I want to you know what I think I think

54:12

it's fairly measured my response

54:14

and it's not gonna be what you're

54:17

okay all right Dean

54:20

Martin no so I guess day one

54:22

and these

54:25

are all artists who are still living you need to flow you

54:27

need the festival you want to start with a bang I think

54:29

cool in the middle and an end with a bang in my theory

54:32

there we go all right then okay so

54:34

no that's my that's my opinion let's just say beginning acts

54:36

would be Erica Badu she's known as the Queen

54:43

of Soul and I think her debut album

54:45

badism I think it's called is fairly

54:47

measured fairly measured he said people

54:52

know her people know her she is not

54:54

like people know me too mate I

54:59

feel like people would wreck if you heard

55:01

a few of her songs on a baby yeah ginger

55:03

no apple tree hey I'm sure she's great but

55:07

it's just banging yeah carry on next

55:09

up I'm gonna seem so basic yeah

55:11

more recent

55:15

eyes club and trying to listen like Erica

55:17

Badu aside and try and listen to more modern artists

55:20

recently next up Jess

55:22

Williamson she's a like an indie folk

55:24

singer from Texas and

55:26

she had an album released this year called time

55:29

ain't accidental which is the main title

55:31

song of the album that's a lovely tune I'd like

55:33

to hear that album live third act

55:35

you know you probably can right the

55:37

whole thing is like ones that you would might

55:39

never ever get to see but I just I've never really

55:42

listened to like action I've never like gone

55:44

to a concert or like really listen to

55:46

like live music yeah I've

55:48

never I've never really done that so

55:51

I'm one to make that you need to start

55:53

doing it mate I mean I'm start with Williams

55:56

I want to do that hopefully third act

55:59

post Malone everyone I don't know some of them. But

56:01

it's like this album. I

56:03

really enjoy it. I don't know

56:05

what it's better than that. It's like too quite

56:08

like thoughtful, like, you know. So

56:10

I frankly don't know anything about it. And then yeah, Post

56:12

Malone. I'm sure what I was like, is like David Brent

56:14

said his dinner party guest and he just throws a Rory Bremner

56:17

at the end. I

56:19

feel like I have like sort of one mainstream

56:22

thing and I've never really listened to Post Malone until

56:24

this year. No, you can go see Post Malone as well, right? Well,

56:26

if I had the money, like his tickets are insane.

56:29

All tickets are expensive these days. That's

56:32

what I'm saying. Like that's why it's a fair thing to be

56:34

like, I would love to see these people. They're still

56:36

around, but. Your dream festival

56:38

is one that's cheap. Yes. I

56:41

can get crappy artists who are just okay. I'll

56:43

be happy. I'm gonna seem so, I'm gonna pick

56:45

the most like. Boring now. Like rock,

56:48

just like the green rock bands. I'll never ever

56:50

get to see, basically. I know we're gonna have one that's exactly

56:52

the same. Oh, we will definitely. You go,

56:54

you go. The Beatles, obviously. Yeah,

56:57

they're good, aren't they? They're the greatest fan of all time that

56:59

you can't see anymore. I would

57:01

like to see the Beatles that were gone in my lifetime.

57:04

Any specific era or just like, you

57:06

know, from. Cause like their last like

57:08

two, three albums are my favorite side. I'd say the second half

57:10

of the Beatles. Yeah, I think the best

57:12

of the Beatles. No, I'd say you're the

57:14

best as I mean. Yeah, no,

57:17

just like, yeah. Cause

57:19

early Beatles, you know, when they're performing to like screaming

57:21

girls and you could barely hear them and stuff. I'm

57:23

not, I don't know. I want to hold your hand and stuff. I

57:26

want Abbey Road in full. Sergeant

57:29

Pepper, then Abbey Road in full. Yes, yes, yes. That's

57:32

what I want. Was the most recent documentary,

57:35

like a fucking dream for you guys. Yeah, it was

57:37

incredible. Amazing. Yeah, I might watch it

57:39

again. That's a good shot, I might watch it again. I've not

57:41

seen it yet. I mean, I

57:44

don't know you'd get the value of it. I think

57:46

I wanna. We listened to Abbey Road together in

57:48

Germany. We had a lovely evening. I really, really enjoyed

57:50

that to be fair. Cause I always had, and I think I told you both,

57:53

like always had this image of the Beatles being that sort of like

57:55

black and white in their suits, girls screaming and it's

57:57

just like really annoying. Yeah, just like annoying

57:59

English. early rock that I just don't care

58:02

about, sorry. But then

58:04

listen to that album, I was like, oh. They're

58:06

incredible. And well, Get

58:08

Back is about making the album Let It Be. So

58:11

like, listen to that album. The

58:13

thing I think you'd be missing is, well,

58:15

for me, like, you know, 30 years of listening

58:18

to that album and then finally seeing how it was

58:20

like put together. It's like amazing,

58:22

but you wouldn't have that connection. I'm more interested

58:24

in the production side, the creative

58:27

side. Like obviously the music I'm sure is great, but just

58:29

the creative thought process, I can still

58:31

appreciate that. Sometimes it's literally just Poulma

58:33

can't really turn up and go, and I wrote this. Well,

58:36

you're not really seeing

58:38

the peak of the Beatles though. You're seeing like

58:40

kind of the end of the Beatles. That's what it's all about. And

58:43

it's more like they're all kind of fractured and they're all

58:45

kind of doing their own thing, going their own way. What you'd

58:47

love to see is them making, yeah, like

58:49

Revolver or something. I

58:52

think I'd go, would I go day one or day

58:54

three Beatles? I think I'd

58:56

go day three Beatles because that would

58:58

just be the height of all the music. What does that mean? Like

59:01

the day three of my festival. I'm not a

59:03

fan of day nine. I thought you meant there was like a specific saga

59:05

of the Beatles. Oh no, I think the Beatles

59:07

closed my festival, I think. They have to

59:09

be day three, ending with like Hey Jude at the

59:11

end or something. Ending with the end. Oh, yes.

59:16

Okay, so we've got, did you wanna do your own thing? We're the

59:18

same on that, yeah. Shall

59:20

I go for one now? Yeah, you go. Okay, day one

59:23

I'm having Led Zeppelin.

59:24

Okay,

59:25

I did consider Led Zeppelin, but the thing is

59:27

I've seen Robert Plant live and he does Led

59:29

Zeppelin songs sometimes. I never

59:31

have, but I'd wanna obviously, I'd want peak

59:34

Led Zeppelin when they were all alive, early

59:36

seventies, so. What I have

59:38

to ask is I've never really listened to them.

59:41

I think you played one of their tunes. I probably

59:43

played a little song called Stairway to Heaven.

59:46

I've never heard of it. Well, I was gonna

59:48

ask, is there a specific album? Oh,

59:51

Led Zeppelin before. Led Zeppelin before are my favorites. Which

59:54

one? All one. Led Zeppelin

59:56

before. Oh, that's great. That's

59:58

really cool. That's really cool. Physical graffiti

1:00:00

is very good as well. Yeah. Also. I

1:00:03

really like Led Zeppelin 3 and 2 as well And

1:00:05

they're like those four albums are incredible.

1:00:08

But like one is just like Tear

1:00:10

your face off like where did this

1:00:13

come from rock for them fours like

1:00:15

more experimental one will have more Songs

1:00:17

you recognize on it as well like

1:00:20

the old top of the pop theme But

1:00:23

then Yeah, like immigrant

1:00:25

song you've probably heard before that's on Led Zeppelin 3. I've definitely

1:00:27

heard of it Yeah, it's from it's in school around.

1:00:30

That's the Thor Ragnarok They're

1:00:34

just amazing but I'd have them one kick it off with

1:00:36

a bang yeah, I'd have Led Zeppelin day one Well,

1:00:40

what would you have? For day one.

1:00:42

This is a weird one, right? Because

1:00:45

I can technically see them still

1:00:48

it might be what it might be similar to what the

1:00:50

motherfuckers have alluded me now for about Ten

1:00:52

years its rage and rage against machine Because

1:00:55

I've had tickets to see radio and machine twice and

1:00:57

both times they've been canceled one was covered one

1:00:59

was I can't remember what happened now. Did

1:01:01

he bloke? They come in I

1:01:04

think you might broken. Oh, yeah, but basically yeah

1:01:06

twice now I've had to get refunds on tickets and

1:01:09

I feel like I'm never gonna get to see him Even though

1:01:11

I've been a huge fan of them all my life Like

1:01:14

a time travel back 20 years or 25 years

1:01:16

and see him. Oh, yeah But

1:01:19

hopefully I still will get to but it feels like as

1:01:21

I get older and they get older Feels

1:01:23

like less and less likely every time so they weren't

1:01:26

they're not my pit for day two though the runner-up I've

1:01:28

got someone else stay to I

1:01:32

was really torn I was gonna hit rage But then

1:01:34

my actual day two is I'd want nirvana

1:01:37

peak nirvana. Oh, I don't want to

1:01:39

go see that What

1:01:41

you want? Yeah, you want not only to be it

1:01:44

to be peak nirvana, but you want the time to be peak

1:01:46

nirvana You want it to be like 1992 or whatever? Yeah,

1:01:50

I'd want a new trophy of come out you be

1:01:52

you want everyone in the audience as well to be

1:01:54

obsessed with them in that I want to be wearing

1:01:56

cardigan flannel,

1:01:59

yeah Tied around their waist and stuff,

1:02:01

yeah, you're one of all. I think I'd go for that. Another

1:02:03

weird one was I would have, like, I never got to see Lincoln

1:02:05

Park at their peak. I genuinely

1:02:07

would have loved that. I was considering that as well. And I've

1:02:10

never seen Tool. And my other boy,

1:02:12

I didn't pick anyone I could basically still see,

1:02:14

like, Tool, or I've still never seen Radiohead,

1:02:16

and that does cut me to- I've done

1:02:19

that, so they don't make my list. I've seen Radiohead. But

1:02:21

my last one is somebody who

1:02:23

I'll never get to see, because he unfortunately died quite

1:02:26

a long time ago, which is Jeff Buckley, who

1:02:28

has made one of my favorite albums of

1:02:30

all time, Grace. Just play Grace in full.

1:02:32

Yeah. I've watched loads of videos on YouTube

1:02:34

of him performing live. And I think

1:02:37

he's great. For me, he's the greatest singer of all

1:02:39

time. My preference.

1:02:41

I know he's not technically maybe the greatest, but he's my

1:02:43

preference. He's definitely one of them. And

1:02:46

seeing him do some of those

1:02:48

things live on old TV shows and

1:02:50

stuff like that, it's like spine-tingling

1:02:52

voice. And to see him live would

1:02:54

be incredible experience. And I feel

1:02:56

as smart as I've never heard of him before. I

1:02:59

can understand that, because he only ever had

1:03:01

one official album that came out before

1:03:03

he died. There is a second album, but

1:03:05

it was an in-progress thing. And

1:03:09

unless you're DP looking for hours

1:03:11

of stuff, I can imagine it'd be quite easy to not come

1:03:14

across. That is one of the best albums ever, though, so

1:03:16

I would listen to it. I think you'd

1:03:18

like it. It's got a lot of soul to it. Do

1:03:20

you like the film of Vanilla Sky, Jesse? That's

1:03:23

my favorite. Because he's got a lot

1:03:25

of Jeff Buckley and a lot of Radiohead in it, and it's

1:03:27

that sort of vibe. His music is always

1:03:29

that vibe. And

1:03:32

of course, I'd like... If I've been

1:03:34

being true to myself, get Abba in there as well. Ooh!

1:03:37

You know what? We had Abba playing

1:03:39

in my house the other day. We were putting on music

1:03:42

for my son to see if he'd react to it and stuff, and

1:03:44

he was dancing along. Not really, but

1:03:46

just sort of like make smiling and waving it. Abba's universal.

1:03:49

She's good stuff. Yeah. There we go.

1:03:52

That's music. Can't we spend a lot on one question?

1:03:54

Yeah, maybe not spend so much only, or what? I

1:03:57

don't think we will, to be honest, because we never get

1:03:59

so bad music. to the time right?

1:04:01

Next one, what's the video game accomplishment you're

1:04:04

most proud of? I've said this one multiple times before,

1:04:06

it's the witness platinum, it's nails. It's

1:04:10

a good film. Mainly because there was a

1:04:12

challenge at the end where you had to do like six random things.

1:04:14

Yeah, they're all like procedurally

1:04:16

and it's all you have to do them all in the time it takes.

1:04:19

It's the wankiest trophy of all time. Do like,

1:04:21

I think it's like 12 randomly

1:04:24

generated puzzles by the time this piece

1:04:26

of classical music ends. I think I'd

1:04:28

always get to like nine and then was one

1:04:30

that was just like so concrete.

1:04:33

I'll never want to do it again. Yeah, it's

1:04:35

amazing. Well, it kind

1:04:37

of relates to mine, which I was thinking about like,

1:04:40

so I always remember being proud of getting

1:04:42

in the platinum in Bioshock Infinite because they

1:04:44

have to finish it in 1999 mode, which is

1:04:46

like a rock hard mode. But I

1:04:48

think overall, it's the fact that

1:04:50

I've got 157 platinum trophies

1:04:52

is pretty like obscene.

1:04:54

You take pride in that. Yeah,

1:04:57

you should do. How about you Jesse? I

1:05:00

was really struggling to think of one and then it just sort of popped

1:05:02

in my head. It's the bluey platinum. Yeah,

1:05:05

no, it's sort of, it's work

1:05:07

related. But I think that one gameplay video of Resident

1:05:09

Evil 4 VR was very, very fun to

1:05:11

record and play through. And more

1:05:13

so because someone recently commented

1:05:16

on the Assassin's Creed gameplay video I did

1:05:19

for Nexus saying, is this the same

1:05:21

guy who did Resident 4 VR? So it was just nice

1:05:23

to see that at least one person remembered

1:05:25

that gameplay. You got like, I recommend to the audience

1:05:27

to watch and watch Resident

1:05:30

Evil 4 VR one, but definitely watch the Assassin's

1:05:32

Creed Nexus VR one because what it

1:05:34

looks like to me, a pretty boring

1:05:37

game, Jesse makes it really,

1:05:39

really fun by hand acting basically,

1:05:41

all the way through. It's really, really funny

1:05:44

to watch. There we go.

1:05:46

Next question. If you could have a background

1:05:49

role in any movie or TV show, what would

1:05:51

you pick?

1:05:54

One of the, what's one like the background

1:05:56

survivors? On the beach set

1:05:58

specifically because then it's in Hawaii,

1:06:00

which is lovely. And also, I want

1:06:03

it to be at the time when the show is happening because I might

1:06:05

get secrets before the show adhered.

1:06:08

That would have been everything to me, like learning about

1:06:10

things, what's going on before, finding

1:06:13

out the public now. I might

1:06:16

be a lot more harrowing. I'd

1:06:19

wanna be in one of the

1:06:21

helicopters in Apocalypse now when they're doing the ride

1:06:23

of the Valkyries. To

1:06:26

be on that set would have been something

1:06:28

special. Obviously, you watched the behind the

1:06:30

scenes. I've just thought of another one I would really wanna

1:06:32

say quickly, which is... Oh,

1:06:35

wait, yes, The Room. Like, I

1:06:37

was gonna say Room, but no, not Room. I

1:06:39

don't wanna be in Room. No, no, no, that would be

1:06:41

harrowing. I wanna be in The Room because I just wanna see

1:06:43

what that was actually like on some of that. Oh,

1:06:46

yeah, yeah, it's incredible. What

1:06:48

about you, Jesse? Just a stauntery bit. Basic

1:06:50

Jesse answer, just somewhere in like The

1:06:52

Lord of the Rings, like A Soldier in Helm's Deep. I

1:06:54

just want like one little line to say. I

1:06:56

was going to mad about this yesterday, but

1:06:59

we both agreed, like that looks like a hot, like raining

1:07:01

all the time, heavy armor. It looks like hell.

1:07:04

I would love it if I could just have my own little

1:07:06

Lord of the Rings wiki page. Pick Hell and More Fields, it's sunny. I'd

1:07:09

wanna, like, if I feel like if you've been Lord of the Rings, you wanna be

1:07:11

in one where there's an actual physical set as

1:07:14

well. Like, in Helm's Deep, I imagine

1:07:16

was mostly... Oh, no, there was a physical part of it, wasn't

1:07:18

there? When you thought of sliding down the stairs and stuff. Soldier

1:07:22

of Rohan. Like, you wouldn't wanna be in the

1:07:24

one in front of Minas Tirith in Raturkin

1:07:27

because that's all like CGI. You wouldn't see anything.

1:07:29

It just brings in sets. There

1:07:31

we go. Easy one, quick one, we got

1:07:33

through it. What's the best celebrity interaction

1:07:36

you've ever had? I'm

1:07:39

not gonna... I'm not gonna do the Bond one. But

1:07:41

it is the Bond one. Yeah, the Bond one, surely. I'm

1:07:44

gonna do one not from this, Jove. The

1:07:46

good thing with the Bond one for you is that there was a lot of

1:07:48

people you did it with who were not

1:07:51

understanding what you're doing or not getting the vibe,

1:07:53

but Bond got the vibe and

1:07:55

thought it was a laugh. He didn't break my mate,

1:07:58

any. Yeah. I'll

1:08:01

do a cricket one. What?

1:08:04

Bothies? Did you meet bothies? Beefy?

1:08:07

I've met Beefy. I've met him a lot. Because

1:08:09

I'm actual cricket. Ian Bofom mate. He

1:08:12

does that. This is Ian Beefy Bofom. I

1:08:17

did make Stephen Fry cry for watching

1:08:19

cricket. But

1:08:21

I'm going to pick the actual, it's more a funny

1:08:23

one is when I, my old job I used to

1:08:26

go to Abu Dhabi in Dubai to,

1:08:29

with like some of the England cricketers to do like,

1:08:31

they're like preseason tours and stuff. And

1:08:33

there was one time we was all staying at a hotel and

1:08:36

they all decided that night

1:08:38

that they were telling everyone at the hotel bar, they were

1:08:40

all there for my stag do. And I

1:08:42

got the nickname stag do from a load of

1:08:44

like England cricketers. I don't know if they'd recognize

1:08:47

me now. It was like, I was only 23 at

1:08:49

the time out there filming this thing. And

1:08:51

they were like, yeah, we were here for this guy stag do

1:08:53

and I had to play along and be like, yeah, I'm really

1:08:55

looking forward to the one. If you

1:08:57

get lots of drink for for you. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:01

That's a tradition, right? You have to get five drinks. Exactly.

1:09:04

But yeah, I don't know why they decided that. But yeah, I was known

1:09:06

as stag do by load of cricketers

1:09:09

for about a week. So there

1:09:11

you go. Jesse. Um,

1:09:14

definitely meeting David Beckham in Nando's.

1:09:17

Oh, yeah. I mean, I genuinely

1:09:19

am jealous of that one. First thing I

1:09:21

barely remember, to be honest. I

1:09:23

didn't even bother to ask for it because I'm

1:09:27

not going to check because I know it's a

1:09:30

bad photo. You still

1:09:32

want to say it. I know I

1:09:34

asked at time, but I just want the image like what what

1:09:36

hair did the app at the time was it the bald or

1:09:38

the Mohawk or I feel like I just remember

1:09:41

seeing some sort of like gelled up blondish

1:09:43

hair. I think I really cannot

1:09:46

remember. I think it

1:09:48

was in his pit Milan days. You need

1:09:50

to find the photo. Jesse, we're not talking about using it for

1:09:52

film now. I just want to see it. I'll ask.

1:09:55

I'll ask for it when I see my

1:09:57

family in Christmas. But genuine answer is. in

1:10:00

some filming stuff with

1:10:02

Stormzy because he was a very very

1:10:04

nice person to work with. You're

1:10:06

not picking him for your festival? It's just

1:10:09

a thank you. Mine,

1:10:13

I was gonna say Jankowski because I just

1:10:15

thought he was like the lovely man of all time. But

1:10:19

ultimately his story is just he was just very nice.

1:10:21

Whereas I do think my

1:10:23

favorite one was maybe Jason Momoa who

1:10:27

it was my first ever junket and I was like supremely

1:10:29

nervous and I always remember having to sit

1:10:31

on a little chair just outside the room and you

1:10:33

know you usually wait outside the room and they call you to come

1:10:35

into the room. But instead

1:10:38

of somebody coming out to grab me he

1:10:40

just like no he didn't boot down the door

1:10:42

but it's in my mind in my memory over

1:10:44

time it's changed too he booted down the door or

1:10:47

kicked the door and he walked out and he put his arms up in

1:10:49

the air he went who's next? And

1:10:51

I was like I put my hand up and I went it's me

1:10:54

and he goes come on in and he like took me under

1:10:56

his wing and he like dragged me in and then when we

1:10:58

sat down he was very

1:11:00

polite and friendly and then I remember telling the camera

1:11:02

up it is oh I don't need the camera pointed at me because

1:11:04

we're just using his footage. And

1:11:07

then he looked at me he goes why not why don't you want

1:11:09

to be in it? And he's like oh it's not about me

1:11:11

and he goes yeah it is it's the Dale show now.

1:11:13

And I was like it was great he

1:11:15

was so nice and wacko and made me feel so at ease

1:11:17

like in my first ever junket so yeah

1:11:19

he was lovely. Yeah I got the same thing from Ridley

1:11:22

Scott. No I didn't. What was that going

1:11:24

to do? Who's next? You

1:11:26

know I was actually because

1:11:28

I only found out last week or like a

1:11:30

minute before I was talking to Wacky Phoenix

1:11:32

for 20 minutes that I was. So I

1:11:34

had no question if I was like yeah he was um he

1:11:37

was sort of I was if maybe he could

1:11:39

be a little awkward maybe it was just really nice

1:11:41

really chilled out. In my head in my head he's like

1:11:44

leaning back into a sofa and he's having a faggot

1:11:46

smoking. He wasn't smoking but it was that vibe

1:11:48

he was in like a hoodie and stuff he's just like yeah

1:11:51

he was very well basically

1:11:54

asleep but yeah nice guy. Right

1:11:56

let's quickly get through these. If you could have

1:11:58

a magically infused to become an expert

1:12:01

in any one skill. What would you pick? Were

1:12:03

you picking like normal skills, right? Not like super

1:12:06

powers. No, yeah. I didn't read

1:12:08

it that. I went for a very vanilla,

1:12:10

to be fair. I also, I assume

1:12:12

you can apply like physical

1:12:14

skills, not just knowledge, right?

1:12:17

That's what I like. Yeah, yeah, I think any. I thought you

1:12:19

meant like you wanna just be buff and have the knowledge.

1:12:21

No, no. I took it as like, you know, like in the matrix,

1:12:24

they just download a skill into your head. Yeah,

1:12:26

yeah. That sort of thing. I wanna be good enough,

1:12:28

I wanted to be good enough to be a football player or

1:12:31

wanted to be able to sing really well. Cause

1:12:33

I like singing, but I'm just not that

1:12:35

good at it. Mine was similar, like one of

1:12:37

my biggest regrets is I never properly committed to learning

1:12:40

an instrument. So yeah, mine would be just be incredible

1:12:42

drums. You know you can do that right now. I could

1:12:44

now, but like it's easier when you're like 11, right? To

1:12:46

pick up an instrument and you have the time. I

1:12:49

started learning guitar at like 19. You

1:12:51

can eat it, right? But yeah,

1:12:53

I had like two or three drum lessons when I was 11 or 12

1:12:56

and I gave up and I wish I hadn't. Yeah.

1:12:59

There we go. Fair enough. Do

1:13:02

you see? Right. No,

1:13:05

I mean, my answer is pretty basic.

1:13:07

I feel like it's just being expert playing the piano cause I'm

1:13:09

currently practicing the piano for

1:13:11

the first time, which, you know, ties into your thing,

1:13:13

Cardi. We can get a little band

1:13:15

going here, can we? I've done that, mate.

1:13:17

Been there, done that. Yeah, we'll do it again. They'll

1:13:20

feel safe. Guitar bass guitars right here, look. Bass guitars

1:13:23

right here. There you go. We've

1:13:25

got drums bass piano. What more do

1:13:27

we need? Oh no,

1:13:29

I spotted it now, but like, cause I've got you minimised.

1:13:32

It's like you're pointing to a tree. There

1:13:34

you go. And last one, what

1:13:37

is the weirdest thing you've ever eaten that

1:13:39

was actually really good? I'm

1:13:41

not the most like adventurous. So

1:13:44

I've struggled to think of a good one for this.

1:13:46

For me, it's pretty boring

1:13:48

sort of classic middle-class

1:13:52

white person answer, which is like exotic

1:13:55

meat. I've had a lot of exotic

1:13:57

meat. That just sounds like human meat, so you

1:13:59

said that. I've had them

1:14:01

all, crocodile, fish, human, kangaroo, humans, wild boar. There

1:14:10

was a restaurant for a short time there that was really nice and they had all these

1:14:15

different, you'd have 20 different types of sausages

1:14:18

and things. They also had an exotic meat menu

1:14:20

and we used to go there quite regularly and I'd try new ones and

1:14:22

they were always really delicious. Every time we say exotic meat, it just

1:14:24

makes me think. I

1:14:28

did the weirdest thing

1:14:30

of it, well a lot of weird things, but

1:14:33

I ate jellyfish once and it

1:14:35

was fucking disgusting, let me tell

1:14:37

you. I don't even know how you'd eat jellyfish. It

1:14:41

was almost like crackling, like crunchy

1:14:43

sort of stuff. I didn't know it

1:14:46

was jellyfish. So I was in China and

1:14:48

I was with Chinese people and they

1:14:50

said, what's this? And they said, oh fish. And

1:14:52

I ate it and I was like, this is ning yin, what is it? And

1:14:54

then they got out their phone to translate it and then they held

1:14:57

up to me saying, what's this? And it's a jellyfish.

1:14:59

And I was like, oh my God. I did, like when I

1:15:01

was in Japan, I did have something that I still don't 100% know

1:15:03

to this day what it was, but it was maybe

1:15:06

the worst I'd ever eaten. It was just this sort of, it just

1:15:09

tasted like soap. It was just like purple

1:15:12

gelatinous cube. And I

1:15:14

have no idea still really what it was. And

1:15:17

I never want to taste it again or see it again. It

1:15:19

was absolutely horrible. If someone put

1:15:21

it in front of you, you'll recognise it though, right? I

1:15:24

think so. I've tried searching

1:15:26

for what this is and I've not really got a conclusive

1:15:28

answer of what it is. I

1:15:30

think the closest I got is it was some sort of weird like

1:15:33

yam cake thing, but I didn't feel

1:15:35

like that from what I've seen. I

1:15:37

don't know. It was absolutely horrible. But

1:15:39

yeah, go and

1:15:40

just see. I'm really

1:15:42

curious about what you're going to say. I'm

1:15:45

going to disappoint you. Like I really could not think

1:15:47

of anything. But weird to

1:15:49

you is like fish and chips is weird to you, isn't it? No,

1:15:52

fish and chips is not weird. I just categorised it differently

1:15:54

than everyone else. I

1:15:57

genuinely do not have an answer. When

1:16:00

you went... Oh, like, fuck

1:16:02

legs or anything like that? Maybe

1:16:04

you went lemon and lime at Nando's? I

1:16:07

mean... Lemon and herb, mate. I just... I

1:16:09

just... I genuinely cannot think of an

1:16:12

answer. Dandelion and burdock,

1:16:14

if you have that. Ooh, what is that? It's a

1:16:16

drink. I've

1:16:17

never heard of it. I'm sorry. Did

1:16:19

you go up in England? I feel like you did it. I just... Wait,

1:16:22

what did you just say? You've gone to Spain a lot. You must have

1:16:24

found nice in Spain. Yeah, I've had nice in Spain. The prawns? That's

1:16:27

not weird. I'm not going to say the weird thing about prawns. It might be weird

1:16:29

to us. Is that a thing called paella? I don't know. I'll

1:16:32

warn you in the next week to try something... get some exotic meats. Yeah. Try

1:16:35

an exotic meat. You haven't even... like, everyone's

1:16:37

had an ostrich burger, right? Actually, no, you've not been

1:16:39

to a music festival, because that's what everyone eats. Yeah.

1:16:43

They're very popular at music festivals, ostrich

1:16:45

burgers. That specific type of burger. Ostrich

1:16:48

burger. Yeah. Yeah. They're

1:16:51

very popular at music festivals, ostrich burgers. That

1:16:54

specific type of burger. Ostrich,

1:16:58

but, yes, they're literally everywhere. Yeah.

1:17:01

If they have... if they have ambazar, they've

1:17:03

seen them everywhere. So all festivals

1:17:05

have rows and rows of food suppliers, right? Yeah. And

1:17:08

they always have a store that will be like ostrich burgers,

1:17:10

and they'll have like little thermometers in the meat and stuff,

1:17:12

and they'll get it cooked to perfection, and it

1:17:14

costs you about 15 quid, but... Oh, that's

1:17:17

awful. Yeah. It's

1:17:19

nice. Really nice. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:23

Oh, I've been watching... Take that. I've been

1:17:26

watching a lot of Planet Earth 3, which has been coming

1:17:28

out on... Anything you want to eat on that? It's so

1:17:30

good. It is stunning. Like, genuinely

1:17:32

some of the best cinematography I've ever seen.

1:17:35

What was the most delicious animal you saw? Yeah.

1:17:37

Well, there was some ostriches. I

1:17:40

didn't... My ear wasn't quite... Oh, kangaroo,

1:17:42

by the way. That was very nice. I tell you.

1:17:45

Sorry, go back to Planet Earth 3. There's some absolute

1:17:47

freaks at the bottom of the ocean. I don't

1:17:49

know if you knew this. There's some things that

1:17:51

do not look real. They look like they're from Avatar,

1:17:53

so... What's the Planet Earth 3? I can't

1:17:56

believe there's fish with little light bulbs off the

1:17:58

top of their head. Yeah. in

1:18:00

this planet Earth read I genuinely can't

1:18:03

believe there's like for

1:18:05

like something like 45 meter

1:18:08

long poisonous things that are just like

1:18:10

I don't know what they're really and

1:18:13

I was gonna say I despise anglerfish

1:18:15

they they like terrifying me if

1:18:18

I could have one serve to eat it that's like payback

1:18:20

do you know how like freakish

1:18:23

you've got a be to live in like the bottom of the ocean like to

1:18:26

deal with that level of pressure on the

1:18:28

pressure and cold you've got a beam fucking

1:18:30

made of stone yeah but if you warm up here what's

1:18:33

happened they're gonna die clearly

1:18:35

we feel like clearly weak you gotta

1:18:37

be check out planet earth 3 on iPlayer

1:18:39

if you haven't very good right

1:18:41

listen that was the last question thank you for those

1:18:44

CJ nice little AMA section

1:18:46

we do have a couple more pieces of feedback I

1:18:48

gen on school UK feedback have

1:18:50

I done that right yeah I did I don't unscrew you

1:18:52

gave feedback at I gen calm ask

1:18:55

us anything just ask us anything they're

1:18:57

fun in it we're coming up to

1:18:59

the end of the year so we'll have our end

1:19:02

of year shows soon we'll give out or alternative

1:19:04

awards so maybe start thinking you've got any

1:19:06

awards you want to give out read some of those

1:19:08

yeah game of the year is

1:19:11

don't send those ones in what's your favorite

1:19:13

movie weird awards weird what's the most exotic

1:19:16

meat you ate this year you know Jesse

1:19:19

you've got an email this is from Laurie

1:19:22

cook says a dear I gen do

1:19:24

you guys remember fable to pub games

1:19:27

if not here's a reminder it was an XBLA

1:19:29

game released two months prior to the release

1:19:32

of fable 2 in pub games you could play three

1:19:34

casino style games the winnings from

1:19:36

which you could transfer to your fable 2 character on

1:19:38

release boost in your early game based

1:19:40

on this I have two questions wouldn't

1:19:43

it be awesome if more games had things like this to

1:19:45

wet appetite in the run-up

1:19:47

to release and secondly what's your

1:19:49

opinion on anything that aims to accelerate the early

1:19:51

game whether it's through currency XP etc I personally

1:19:54

think that the slow poverty struggle

1:19:57

of an early game especially RPGs

1:19:59

is important

1:19:59

for contextualising the rewards of

1:20:02

quests and later wealth. Finally

1:20:04

the original endless search theme tune is a timeless

1:20:06

banger and I'm disappointed to hear all the slander

1:20:08

against it from other listeners.

1:20:10

Best, best of wishes, Ben. Wait

1:20:12

is this Ben or Laurie Cook? Well

1:20:15

no I think I've got

1:20:17

Paceside Wrong there. I'm sorry

1:20:19

then. Let me attribute that to the right person. It

1:20:22

is from Ben Cook. No

1:20:24

no I haven't. It's from

1:20:27

Ben. I don't know. I

1:20:30

do remember that game. I didn't play it but I remember it

1:20:32

coming out. I've perseemed like

1:20:34

with single player games like it doesn't

1:20:37

bother me like that people play games the way they

1:20:39

want to play them sort of thing. If they want to go in with

1:20:41

being rich at the start that's fine. Yeah

1:20:44

definitely not multi player games like Boosters. I

1:20:46

didn't play the pub games but I am a fan of any sort

1:20:48

of like pub game in the game. Like I've discussed at

1:20:51

length recently I've been playing a lot of Dominoes and Poker

1:20:53

and Red Dead 2 at the moment. I don't think that's all I've

1:20:55

been doing. There

1:20:58

are some things I think I spoke about it a couple years ago

1:21:00

when I played Deathloop like I ruined that game for me

1:21:02

basically because I got the deluxe

1:21:04

pre-order like Silence Pistol that I basically

1:21:07

used the whole game and that kind of ruined the whole point

1:21:09

of that game of trying to like

1:21:11

get better guns and stuff like that. There's

1:21:13

definitely some games

1:21:14

I can't really remember them off the top of

1:21:16

my head where

1:21:17

it would give you insane pre-order bonuses

1:21:20

at the start which sort of negate most

1:21:22

of the difficulty and I think it's like earlier games

1:21:24

where you might buy like the game of the Eurodition and

1:21:26

suddenly you've got 15 different guns

1:21:28

that can absolutely unite. I even had

1:21:31

it with Adam Wake like the deluxe one that gave you like

1:21:33

an extra like I don't know some extra flares or

1:21:35

batteries or stuff and that genuinely did get me out

1:21:37

of one situation I would have been done for if

1:21:39

I didn't have those pre-order bonuses. I think there's a

1:21:41

balance right like I feel like the used

1:21:45

for some reason Avatar and Far Cry

1:21:47

games come to mind with this where I always

1:21:49

feel like the pre-order bonuses

1:21:51

or special tradition bonuses where they give

1:21:53

you a bunch of equipment that you would get two

1:21:56

hours into the game but you get them at the start and

1:21:58

it gives you that leg up at the start. But then you

1:22:00

quickly realize oh, this is expired. This is

1:22:02

no good now. Yeah, I don't mind that I

1:22:05

think I think that's fine You know like some

1:22:07

people like I I'm personally one

1:22:09

of these people where is if I'm having a good time

1:22:11

It's not the game Like if I

1:22:13

find it a bit of a slog or too challenging then I'll just

1:22:15

stop playing it So having those little boosters

1:22:18

that stuff sometimes help for people like

1:22:20

me But I can understand, you know,

1:22:22

that's someone else wanting the true

1:22:24

grind experience Yeah, it's

1:22:27

all good. Very good stuff Just

1:22:30

remind me I'm looking forward to fable who knows when we've

1:22:32

planned like I do want to play fable one

1:22:34

last email Dale Yeah, it's from

1:22:36

Alexander. He's an he's an he's

1:22:39

an Hi

1:22:41

guys first time long time and all that jazz I

1:22:43

saw an interesting post on reddit the other day discussing

1:22:45

how some of the past few years biggest movies Shows

1:22:48

have been based on video games the

1:22:50

Mario movie the last of a TV show the Castlevania

1:22:53

series, etc With more

1:22:55

on the way For example the new Tomb Raider

1:22:57

show and the borderlands movie It's well reported

1:23:00

that there seems to be a bit of a comic and it's well

1:23:02

reported that it seems to be a bit of a comic But movie fatigue

1:23:04

setting in for audiences. Thanks to overwhelming

1:23:07

amount of superhero content My

1:23:09

question is this do you think we've witnessed the end of

1:23:11

the superhero era and the beginning of the video

1:23:14

game era of movies and TV shows Bonus

1:23:17

question what video game deserves the big screen

1:23:19

treatment streaming treatment and

1:23:22

you can't say Bioshock because that is A given

1:23:24

big fan of the pod and keep up the great work respect

1:23:27

the sea and the endless theme at search You

1:23:30

know what? I'm trying to say endless search Alex

1:23:34

from Sheffield I Don't

1:23:37

know I don't I don't think the superhero era

1:23:39

is ever I think the meat of it is gone

1:23:42

But I don't I don't think we're not gonna have superhero

1:23:45

film come on I do feel like we definitely

1:23:47

are we've turned the corner over video game annotations.

1:23:49

This year. It's been Like five

1:23:51

or six good to great ones Ultimately

1:23:55

like people just like obviously

1:23:57

want a good actual

1:23:59

film like you know the Batman across

1:24:02

the spider-verse Joker like those are more

1:24:04

quality films then you know if you just like

1:24:06

pop on any of the past

1:24:08

five you know like big-budget Marvel films

1:24:11

where you know sort of exactly

1:24:13

what you're gonna get but at least with those they were different

1:24:15

in their own unique ways that made

1:24:18

them stand out amongst the other superhero

1:24:20

films ultimately the problem lies

1:24:22

with Hollywood right being

1:24:25

like creatively bank up further like the big-budget

1:24:27

stuff and they look superhero

1:24:29

movies isn't easy like we've got an established character

1:24:32

establish short of lean on so we

1:24:34

can make our money doing this where they might see video games

1:24:36

as well here's another avenue for us to source

1:24:39

all this stuff that's already written that's already designed

1:24:41

yeah and I could definitely see

1:24:44

after a few video game hits and definitely thinking

1:24:47

right yes here's a load of resources

1:24:49

here that we can pull on but it

1:24:52

doesn't solve the big issue

1:24:54

with which is just like coming up with new

1:24:56

stories right yeah like

1:24:58

you have to either like do what Mario

1:25:00

did and take the essence of it and run with it

1:25:03

or do what the last of us didn't be faithful to you

1:25:05

ever pick a good story or a good world and run

1:25:08

with it I think like

1:25:10

I think we talked about like dream adaptations a while

1:25:12

back I published a feature on

1:25:15

I've just looked almost exactly a year ago but

1:25:18

I still a couple of my favorites would be even

1:25:20

Mike Flanagan's what remains

1:25:22

of Edith Finch which is kind of what he did with the

1:25:25

house and

1:25:29

I still want James Cameron's time full too because

1:25:31

that just seems perfect to me

1:25:34

what's really interesting about the superhero thing is like next

1:25:36

year I'm pretty sure there's only one

1:25:38

Marvel movie and one DC movie come in Deadpool 3

1:25:42

and it's Aquaman end of this year

1:25:44

yeah actually maybe there's no DC movie

1:25:47

I think there's some animated ones right but there's no

1:25:49

and there's probably TV shows I haven't quite reset

1:25:52

so it does feel like we're gonna have that long

1:25:54

overdue break from super moves and who knows

1:25:57

what it might be like the year after it might be a resurgence

1:25:59

of it you know They need, well Marvel need

1:26:01

to have a think and a reset then. Yeah,

1:26:04

we'll

1:26:04

see what happens then. But yeah,

1:26:06

the video game annotations are, I wouldn't

1:26:08

say, thriving, but they're on the up. So

1:26:11

there we go. Good, good episode,

1:26:13

good lot of chat there. All sorts covered.

1:26:16

Music, exotic meats, fudge. What

1:26:20

more do you really need? Hi. Yeah.

1:26:23

And we're gonna play, is it

1:26:26

called My United States or whatever? Is that the name of that?

1:26:28

Was it just called whatever? I think it's called United

1:26:30

States or whatever. I don't know. We'll

1:26:33

be hearing it very soon. I know that much. It's

1:26:36

called United States or whatever by Liam Nudge. Perfect

1:26:39

for Thanksgiving weekend

1:26:42

or whatever. What a make-all over there. Pure American,

1:26:44

happy turkey day. Well, there

1:26:47

you go. Enjoy. Here's

1:26:49

a song. Goodbye. Bye. Whatever.

1:26:56

I went down to the beach and stuff, Kiki. She

1:26:58

was all like, eww. And I'm like,

1:27:00

whatever. This

1:27:04

is the place that you need. And

1:27:06

it's a thing that you can't eat. So

1:27:12

later, I'm at this bull hall and

1:27:14

this girl comes up. She's all like, ugh. And I'm like, yeah, whatever.

1:27:19

This is my United States

1:27:21

or whatever. And

1:27:25

this is my United States or whatever. This is my United

1:27:27

States or whatever. This

1:27:30

is my United States or whatever.

1:27:39

Hey, it's Mae Whitman. And

1:27:42

I play Frankie in the New Realm podcast, The Sisters. The Sisters is

1:27:44

about a museum curator of medical oddities who

1:27:47

investigates the origins of a mutative skeleton

1:27:51

with two layers of bone. Seven

1:27:54

ribs are

1:27:54

completely fused.

1:28:00

And you have no idea where this

1:28:02

came from? No. She was sent here anonymously.

1:28:05

Uh-uh. Not she... They,

1:28:08

maybe? Wait. I've

1:28:10

never seen anything like this. Soon,

1:28:13

she uncovers an extraordinary mystery

1:28:15

that connects

1:28:16

her present with one family's tragic

1:28:18

past in hauntingly

1:28:19

dangerous ways. My grandfather

1:28:22

was a journalist back in the 60s and 70s. He's

1:28:25

visualized in strange stories.

1:28:28

Who are they? How are they connected

1:28:30

to the skeleton? Over there. You'll

1:28:34

see. Listen to The Sisters, wherever

1:28:37

you get your podcasts.

1:28:38

We dream about it.

1:28:40

We both dream about it. How often?

1:28:43

Every night.