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just milk chocolate a week after?

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A dark chocolate to be for.

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You. for that dot the forefinger It's not

2:00

chocolate KitKat, that is not

2:04

the common selection I say. Do you have any preference here,

2:06

Matt? It's two episodes in a row where

2:08

I just chat about having gotten back from Japan, but

2:10

I have brought everybody some green tea KitKats that I

2:12

haven't brought into the office yet. Oh, they're good ones

2:14

as well. They are very good. I'll have to look

2:17

forward to this. Yep. Is that

2:19

your pick then? Yeah, the green, I mean if you can

2:21

get them, this is just a bit of advice for if

2:23

anybody goes over to Japan, but they're worth

2:25

their weight in gold. But you'll make friends by

2:27

buying as many green tea KitKats as you can.

2:30

Absolutely. See, I'm firmly

2:33

in the chunky camp and the...

2:35

It's not even

2:37

that funny. I'm laughing at me.

2:40

I can see your face. You're making me

2:42

laugh, you. Especially

2:45

when they bring out, they did like a

2:47

special lotus bisque off one. That was incredible.

2:49

Oh, I bet. The peanut butter one's

2:51

good though as well. I think the peanut butter chocolate one though, which

2:54

is a shame. Yeah. Anyway,

2:56

we've got a lot of different games things to talk

2:59

about this week, so that's enough KitKat chat for now.

3:01

It'll probably arise again. Who knows if I decide to

3:03

bring up a bit of a Bits and Bobs episode

3:05

this week. We're going to talk about lots of little

3:07

things we've been watching and playing. But

3:09

first up, I suppose you've got to talk a bit

3:11

about this whole Xbox business thing because

3:14

that's all anyone's wanted to talk about for about

3:16

two weeks despite having zero information on any of

3:18

it, which is funny, isn't it? Isn't it funny

3:20

how rumors swirl out of control,

3:23

Jesse, to the point where people actively

3:25

look like they're going to burn every

3:27

piece of game console memorabilia they have?

3:30

I'm all for it because it's sort of

3:32

just a nice reminder and a good separation

3:34

that like, I know I'm normal. I

3:37

can't be a bit terminally online.

3:40

I think other people can say that you're normal. I

3:42

don't think you can know. I

3:44

mean, I'd like to think I am, but it's just, you

3:47

just see so much nonsense online. And

3:49

I sound like an old man. So I'm just like, I

3:52

would say like go outside and touch some grass. But even I'm not

3:55

bothered to do that. Just like sit on your sofa and watch a

3:57

nice film or just play a game, just play a game and have

3:59

fun. Don't worry about things that don't

4:01

matter. Yeah. I think

4:03

it was really important. Broaden your horizons, please.

4:05

Just enjoy things. The stakes that people were

4:07

talking about, like the absolute height of everything

4:10

that could have been possibly bad about this

4:12

was like, maybe some things were going to

4:14

come to a different machine. And

4:16

I don't own a PlayStation. I'll get that out of

4:18

the way. So I like

4:20

I own an Xbox and if anything was

4:22

going to be multi-platform, I'll just play it

4:25

on the box that I have. Like what's

4:27

the where's the downside? It turns out it

4:29

was actually only going to be four games. Exactly.

4:32

I mean, four games for now, right,

4:34

that they haven't officially revealed, but everyone's

4:36

kind of pieced together. It's most likely

4:38

Pentamint, Hi-Fi Rush, Sea of Thieves, and

4:40

maybe Grounded. They kind of on

4:43

the Xbox for Castles for some breadcrumbs. For

4:46

some reason, I know why they didn't

4:48

announce this probably because they write other

4:51

publishers, other Nintendo PlayStation

4:53

have going to announce

4:55

that at some point. But you know, marketing

4:57

beats to follow, etc. But the way they

4:59

were teasing them was very funny. It's like,

5:01

and I get why like these games would

5:03

come to other consoles like a

5:05

game like Pentamint or Hi-Fi Rush, if those

5:07

are the games like they've been out over

5:10

a year. They're well-liked games.

5:12

Games we give gave a nine and

5:14

a 10 to an IGN respectively and

5:16

just they've probably had their

5:19

life cycle and that's what's right. The people that

5:21

have paid for those games or played them on

5:23

Game Pass because they're both on Game Pass have

5:25

enjoyed them. So why not put them on Switch

5:27

and PlayStation where you can A, make more money

5:29

from people buying them and B, more people can

5:31

enjoy them. It seems a win-win, right? Pentamint might

5:34

even be a better game on Switch too because

5:36

I want to lie down and treat it like

5:38

it's a little book. Like, why? Yeah, yeah. It

5:40

might actually be a better experience of the way

5:42

of playing it. I

5:44

think this is all sort of leading to because I

5:46

saw that the current PlayStation boss

5:48

said that, you know, first parties, PC games

5:50

are also going to be like an aggressive

5:53

growth plan for PlayStation. And I feel

5:55

like all this sort of news where people are worrying

5:57

that all these exclusives are, you know, coming to PC

5:59

or coming to PC. to other consoles first, it's

6:02

all sort of leading towards, in my

6:04

mind, that sort of thing where, you know, like people

6:06

even just a couple years ago or even ten years

6:09

ago just like just get a PC, just

6:11

do it and be done because then, you know, you're going to be

6:13

able to experience all the games there. And it's

6:15

like, not to be a prick, but

6:17

it's sort of happening, you know, like it

6:19

doesn't really matter what plastic box you have,

6:21

as long as you can play the game

6:23

and cross-play as well is another amazing thing

6:25

where like... It's all getting there and

6:28

it's all gradually getting there anyway, like just

6:30

like for some reason it's all blown up

6:32

recently, like you've got Helldivers, that was PC

6:34

and PlayStation Day 1. Yeah,

6:36

that's fantastic. PlayStation have been putting their

6:38

games, whether it's God of War or

6:40

Uncharted Games Horizon that

6:42

have been trickling to PC after

6:45

what a couple of years once they've pretty

6:47

much got all the PlayStation sales they're likely

6:49

to get out of those. And

6:51

to me that, even the Xbox have kind of historically done it,

6:54

never a deal was made about because they were smaller games

6:56

like Cuphead and the Ori games were

6:58

on Xbox exclusives for like years

7:00

at a time and then came out and other

7:02

things like it's not the end of the world, it's

7:04

not like... And

7:07

Phil Spencer at this PC said, Starfield, Indiana

7:09

Jones, this is not happening. And

7:11

I mean, it's not having Day 1, who knows five

7:13

years down the line if they're going to come to

7:15

other things, but like... It also... It's

7:17

just not that big of a problem.

7:20

It's a really big scenario. It helps

7:22

the development cost of first party titles,

7:24

like long tail stuff that you probably

7:27

already had their life. They come to

7:29

another platform, they sell more copies that

7:32

makes the ecosystem better, that funds first party

7:34

development. So the exclusive stuff that you want

7:36

that is going to stay there will have

7:38

more money to play with. Like it actually

7:40

makes it better. It really is kind of

7:42

a winner thing, especially if

7:44

you hold a game, like Hi-Fi Rush is not necessarily... it's

7:46

not going to set the world alight when it lands on PlayStation

7:49

and also if it comes out, like it will sell

7:51

some copies, but it's not going to be like millions

7:53

and millions. I maybe disagree with that

7:55

if only because it was kind of... It was

7:57

a very good pitch for game paths, like Hi-Fi

7:59

Rush. was something that I maybe would have

8:01

picked up but it was a oh I've already

8:04

got game pass this will extend the amount of

8:06

time I'm doing. I think it's so it's not

8:08

gonna be like spider-man levels as well. It won't

8:10

move the console but I mean it was an

8:13

incentive to have game pass which will be playing

8:15

on Xbox like that's the only argument I make.

8:18

But like they've also it means they can

8:20

drop the they've got these games they're holding

8:22

right and when there's like a lull during

8:24

the year like I don't know a month

8:27

I don't know I can't think of a month this year where there's nothing coming

8:29

out for example if it was June they can

8:32

just go right there's nothing coming out on Xbox, nothing

8:34

coming out on PlayStation let's drop PyFi Rush on PlayStation

8:36

we might get quite a few sales there like to

8:38

me it's quite smart from Xbox it's nothing

8:41

to really have a meltdown about despite a

8:43

lot of people having a meltdown about and

8:45

now retracting their meltdowns and finding new meltdowns

8:47

to have meltdowns about. I do think it's

8:50

sort of like a lot of the big response

8:52

you see online at least in my eyes is

8:54

that you know it's is that sort of very

8:58

very vocal minority because I feel like

9:00

there must be the majority of people

9:02

looking for engagement even retweets on their

9:04

Bluetooth Twitter accounts to get a few

9:06

pennies in their pockets or youtubers looking

9:08

to get ads. That's what it's all

9:10

there. That's what I like to imagine

9:12

like 90% of people who own these

9:15

consoles like just like oh the new PlayStation is

9:18

out the new Xbox is out I'll buy it

9:20

I'm gonna get FIFA card whatever game I want

9:22

and they just don't care about being online and

9:24

they just play shit. That's who I like to

9:26

think exist. You talk to anyone you talk to

9:28

oh no you're in a pub talk to a random person

9:30

who's just like oh I like games they won't have a

9:33

clue what they're going to buy. Exactly

9:36

get help and play the

9:38

hit multi-platform game. Anyway

9:41

I just thought we'd touch on that because it's

9:44

been big news right and yeah

9:46

it's gotta be you

9:48

know talked about so yeah also they did

9:50

confirm new hardware becoming that was a rumor

9:52

that Xbox we're just gonna chuck all hardware

9:54

into the furnace and no one could ever

9:56

use it again. They confirmed a

9:59

new hardware coming. Bill Spencer even

10:01

said it's the biggest leap the next generation will

10:03

be ever between consoles, which seems a bit of

10:05

a stretch Considering I

10:07

don't even think games are really pushing the limits of

10:09

the consoles we have now So I don't know where

10:12

that's coming from and can it

10:14

be a bigger jump from 2d to 3d? I'm

10:16

not sure but they're gonna be able to smell

10:18

games Who

10:22

knows but anyway, let's talk about some

10:25

actual games we've been playing persona 3

10:27

reload Matt James you've been

10:29

playing it I was I'm holding

10:31

off on it just because I only did play persona

10:33

3 this time last year and I don't need to

10:35

replay again, but I'm

10:38

playing it was my first time

10:40

playing persona 3 Playing

10:43

persona 3 as well. Yeah, which I think

10:45

it's weird going back After

10:47

having played 4 & 5

10:49

because it seems like playing it It's just

10:52

an experience of all of the complaints that

10:54

people probably would have had It's

10:56

a stripped back version of 4 & 5

10:58

right and it doesn't have all of the

11:00

bits that make it extra Like it's a much

11:02

more despite being still what 60 to 70 hours

11:04

probably long. It is stripped back There is a

11:07

lot like, you know, if you

11:09

don't know the rough gameplay of persona games

11:11

It's you know fighting demons at night and

11:13

during the day hanging out with friends basically

11:16

to build relationship bonds to boost up your

11:18

parties a cat powers a second and Just

11:22

feels like during the day during persona 3 for remember

11:24

you're only really got like two options It's not really

11:26

a lot you can do whereas like in 4 &

11:29

5 you're kind of like in on day or overwhelmed in

11:31

4 & 5 That's the

11:33

possibility. Yeah, three reload in that case

11:35

is probably a good entry point for

11:37

people just by I think 5

11:39

being the best and 4 being the second best like

11:41

it is 3 is the third best but Yeah,

11:44

maybe you can explain like you enjoying

11:47

it I am Like

11:50

the main loop right now of going into

11:52

a dungeon and then like messing around and

11:54

you know Just attacking things and like a

11:56

personas core gameplay

11:59

things of trying to figure out

12:01

what type an enemy is weak against. But

12:05

that will use up all of your mana, so

12:07

you don't want to, you want to use

12:09

that sparingly, basically want to guess correctly as

12:11

often as possible. Because after you run out

12:14

of mana, there's really only a few ways

12:16

of getting it back, and then you have

12:18

to leave. And you only really want to

12:20

go into the dungeon a couple of times

12:22

because the clock is constantly going forward. So

12:24

you've got this like push and pull of,

12:26

I don't want to fight too often, because

12:28

if I do, then I have to leave.

12:30

And then if I leave, I've like, I

12:32

won't be able to go on a date

12:34

with somebody from the student council. I just

12:36

don't have enough time to do all the stuff that

12:38

I want to do. And that feeling is good. It really

12:40

has that. But I feel like

12:43

your, because I think four is my favorite. I

12:45

like that a lot more than five, because it

12:47

feels like you're just in this tight knit group

12:49

of friends. And yeah, persona three

12:52

doesn't really have that. I've heard them described as

12:54

like co workers before. And it kind of feels

12:56

like that. You don't ever quite feel like yeah,

12:58

you don't have a I like

13:01

the cast of three, but four and five are definitely

13:03

much stronger. Like you don't ever feel like you said

13:05

like, there was never one person in three. I was

13:07

like, Oh, you're my bet. Like, you're me and you

13:10

till the end. We're getting the job done.

13:12

Like, yeah, I think Junpei is

13:15

cool. Right? Like, I think he's funny. But yeah,

13:17

no one else is really like doing it for

13:19

me. But I think it's that like in for

13:21

the social links are the people that are in

13:24

your party. So you're inevitably having to spend more

13:26

time with them and learning who they are. Whereas

13:28

the social links in this one, at least so

13:30

far, you do have a couple like scenes

13:32

with them. But it's mostly just people that are

13:34

in the town. And some of them are pretty

13:37

cool. But it doesn't feel like it's helping me

13:39

feel more engaged, like with the people

13:41

that I'm hanging out with. No, it still has.

13:44

It's definitely in my is not as good as four and

13:46

five. But it's still, I think very fun. Very good. They

13:48

have that still that core persona loop

13:50

that keeps me coming back. And I'll I

13:52

will probably play reload again. And the story

13:54

is good. And it's just like, that

13:57

the dark, this is definitely darker than for

14:00

and five I think tonally wise especially

14:02

the way you just go into the

14:04

other multiverse in this game is

14:06

just by shooting yourself in the head I

14:12

can't remember it's all about people in

14:15

the town just being so miserable that

14:17

they collapse as well which is just

14:19

like same yeah yeah and it has

14:21

like a as all these games

14:23

do just like a batshit crazy ending so

14:25

I'm sure you'll enjoy that like for someone

14:27

like me who is historically not an anime

14:29

person it I do for some

14:32

reason really connect with these games because they do go

14:34

full batshit anime at all

14:36

the end I'm all in I

14:38

think a year of at least

14:40

so far pretty good

14:42

but like a little

14:45

bit disappointing RPGs so

14:47

like oh you're not enjoying infinite welfare you

14:50

thought wealth is not quite as good as

14:52

like a dragon I

14:55

think the combat system is great like I

14:57

feel like the knockback in this and like

15:00

moving a character around so that you can

15:02

position everybody like is really cool I way

15:04

prefer playing it but I just don't think it all

15:06

ties together quite as well I think that's

15:09

the yeah I enjoy I think

15:11

I'm similar if you I enjoyed playing infinite wealth

15:14

much more than I enjoyed playing like a dragon

15:17

but yeah the story I think it's

15:19

because it's branch of it has kind of two

15:22

protagonists this time around with cutie coming back like

15:24

it kind of does suffer from that a little bit your

15:26

split between them a little bit yeah it

15:28

just feels kind of messy it's like what's it

15:31

actually about really loved it but yeah I know

15:33

it like it wasn't as focused I do you

15:35

think though I'm sure you'll finish it like towards

15:37

the end there's some fantastic stuff yeah I'm well

15:39

up for it I'm in like a chapter 11

15:42

now okay cool yeah I've got the

15:44

ending ahead of me I've done all of Don Doco

15:46

Island I did that all in one go I want

15:48

to go a stretch I just did it what

15:51

you like unlock people the same thing happened to me

15:53

during the the business management game in the last one

15:55

like you keep unlocking new employees that you could have

15:57

in that and I'd like I've done it all in

16:00

one sitting and then I was like, oh, you can have this person

16:02

work for you. And it's like, well, what's the point? I've already finished

16:04

it. Same thing. I imagine must happen

16:06

for Don Docco. If you'd like do it all

16:08

at once, it'd be like, oh, you can have,

16:10

um, Brad Pitt come to your, it's very funny.

16:13

I kind of want to know just

16:16

because the first persona game I played

16:18

was persona five, and that was really

16:20

my first proper, I dunno, delving into

16:22

a turn-based RPG that's, you know, a

16:24

good drill in hours long, but what

16:27

I see, um, Atlas doing

16:29

is that it just seems like persona

16:31

three reloaded seems to draw like

16:33

really heavily on just stylistically and

16:35

maybe mechanically persona five, like, cause

16:38

obviously you haven't played reload cardi, but Jones,

16:40

you've obviously played it, but not played the original.

16:43

They've borrowed five a bit, I think, but I

16:45

think as far as I know, the gameplay still

16:47

like three was, yeah, it's pretty much the same.

16:49

I remember like in the original three, which I

16:51

hadn't played, but you can't control

16:53

all the rest of the party members.

16:56

Like you can only control your character,

16:58

which is different in this one. And

17:00

I think the portable as well.

17:03

Um, so it is different from how it

17:05

was originally released. Um, the menu design is

17:07

gorgeous. Yeah. Some people saying that

17:09

like, it's a little bit too

17:11

bright. Like the game is kind of dark tonally,

17:13

so it should be darker, but I don't mind

17:16

cause it just looks really good. I will occasionally

17:18

just like flick through the menus and just like

17:20

watch everything kind of snap in in the same

17:22

way that I did with five. So in a

17:24

free reload, it's like sold really well as well.

17:26

Like it's already a million. Like it means they

17:28

probably will do four next. I could have totally

17:31

rebarged too. Like I think that four is

17:33

great, but there's a lot of stuff that you

17:35

could do to make it just utterly like, like

17:37

you played through that game twice. It's

17:40

still like I played it when they re-released it

17:42

on PlayStation switch was that last year or the

17:44

year before? That was early last year, wasn't it?

17:46

And still it looks fine.

17:48

It's not dated, but like if

17:50

it looked like persona five, then yeah, it

17:52

would be amazing, but I'd

17:54

like cause I'd prefer if they went back

17:56

to one or two. I don't know too much about one or two, but

17:59

I'd love to play it. They're all about like, it's

18:01

a first person but like grid based thing.

18:03

Yeah, I didn't have to be able to

18:05

restyle it in the modern persona combat or

18:07

if that's just make six. Which

18:09

one lets you fight Hitler or is that

18:12

Shin Megami? Oh, I'm pretty sure that's two.

18:15

Yeah, get that one going then. Yeah.

18:18

Yeah, good start to the year for JRPGs

18:20

anyway, isn't it? We've got Final Fantasy coming

18:22

out soon. There's Unicorn Overlord on the way

18:24

as well which I cannot wait for. I've

18:26

got half an eye on that. I'm not

18:28

fully in yet, Bible. Previews came out

18:30

for it yesterday and it looks

18:33

absolutely fantastic. Yeah, good

18:35

time for RPGs. Something

18:38

old though that's also been remastered, Jesse.

18:41

So you're actually experiencing it for the first time I think

18:43

is the original 3-2 Merida games.

18:47

You've been delving into Tomb Raider a lot in the

18:49

last couple of weeks because there's this new RTX remix

18:51

version of it and there's the

18:53

official remastered one coming out. And

18:56

what's your takeaway? Is

18:58

Tomb Raider aged well? I'm

19:06

on the verge of saying no

19:09

and that's the thing. The weird

19:11

thing about this sort of job

19:13

is that if you've not played any

19:16

of these games before because I

19:18

mentioned RTX remix on the last podcast

19:21

and that was my first time playing Tomb Raider

19:23

properly and you sort of get introduced to what

19:25

the expectations are of the fan base and just

19:27

how much they obviously love those games. And

19:29

playing for it, I

19:32

just don't think it's

19:34

aged particularly well. It won't have.

19:36

It will control badly. I can tell you that now. Yeah,

19:38

I mean it is a 3D platform. I

19:41

remember trying when I was like

19:43

12 in what, like 2004 that

19:45

it had aged badly. It

19:48

didn't feel good to play then. You're

19:50

playing it on PC presumably. Yeah, yeah.

19:52

I'm playing on PC but I'm using

19:54

an Xbox One controller. There's a really

19:57

famous video from, I think it's from

19:59

FitzFistolitz. where they talk about

20:01

how originally you had to control it

20:03

with control and alt, so you were

20:05

constantly always at the threat of pressing

20:08

the Windows key. Right. Imagine

20:10

doing that now. I mean,

20:12

that sounds awful, but yeah, I've

20:14

played, I think I've played maybe

20:16

two or three hours of Tomb

20:18

Raider 1. I'm so... I

20:22

would like to finish the trilogy to give it a

20:24

proper go just because I've... I

20:27

don't think you need to if you don't want to. I've

20:29

never finished all three of them. I'm

20:31

still trying to find out whether or not I

20:34

am enjoying these games. And when I was streaming

20:36

it, I was having a good time. I was

20:39

making use of the modern controls, which I would

20:41

say is a mistake if you're delving into the

20:43

remaster, which is a shame because Tomb

20:45

Raider like, you know, Resident Evil before it

20:48

had sort of, you know, it uses tank

20:50

controls, right? And Tomb Raider

20:52

is very much a grid-based game

20:54

where it's very sort of precise

20:56

jumps, almost rhythm game like when you're

20:58

actually doing those platforming sections and stuff.

21:01

But the modern controls

21:03

sort of as you would

21:05

expect changes it so that you can just use the analog

21:07

stick and you know, Lara can just move in any sort

21:09

of direction. But that... It's

21:12

at extreme odds with how the game

21:14

was inherently designed. It just doesn't work

21:16

because then you have this sort of

21:18

expectation in your head of, well,

21:21

now I can sort of play it like Uncharted or I

21:23

can play it like a more recent Tomb Raider game or

21:25

even the Tomb Raider Anniversary Edition

21:27

that came out like on the PlayStation 2

21:30

a few years afterwards. But it's

21:32

just... It's a very

21:34

precise and clunky platformer and

21:36

adding modern controls that don't quite

21:39

work and then the cameras getting caught

21:41

in the environment. It's not

21:44

fantastic. It doesn't sound ideal, no. I mean, there's only two

21:46

things you need to do in Tomb Raider. My opinion is

21:48

A, get the butler in the freezer. That's the one thing

21:50

I'm looking for. Yeah, I've done that already. And

21:52

to meet the T-Rex. Which

21:54

I've done. Okay, well, you play Tomb Raider

21:56

now. So that's all you need to do.

21:58

That's all everyone remembers. If

22:01

you can remember anything else about those first couple

22:03

of games, I challenge. I think they're lying if

22:05

they... Oh, you remember that bit? No. Like,

22:09

I'm not going to go back and play this. I tried playing

22:11

them when I was young and I was like, yeah, these have

22:13

dated. And like, it's fine to have them remastered and people love

22:15

them revisit. But like, I don't...

22:17

You know, we've got a lot better versions

22:19

of these games since. Whether they are team-rated

22:22

games like the Crystal Dynamics ones, which are

22:24

amazing, or Onchired, which

22:26

is superior. I had a fun time where,

22:28

you know, I sort of associate an older

22:30

game almost being easier just because it's... Primitives

22:32

are the wrong word, but you know, it

22:34

is an early version of what we've all

22:36

sort of come to. It was the first

22:38

game of its kind, really. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

22:40

And there is enjoyment

22:44

to be found when, you know, you've sort of cleared an

22:46

area, you've solved a puzzle, and it's like, okay, how can

22:48

I actually leave this area? Where do I need to platform

22:50

to? What sort of enemies do I need to dispatch next

22:52

and stuff? Once you actually get into the flow of how

22:55

Lara is meant to control, using those tank

22:57

controls, it is fun. I'm

22:59

just still trying

23:02

to find how I can appreciate those

23:04

old games. I think it's really funny. I appreciate

23:06

what they inspired, right? Yeah, I think it's really

23:08

telling that none of the games that are inspired

23:11

by it control like it, though. I

23:13

mean, yeah, they wouldn't be able to,

23:15

right? No. One

23:18

game that does control very nicely, indeed, though,

23:20

is Helldivers 2. We spoke about this last

23:22

week, because me and Jesse, I might have

23:24

been playing it for a bit. But

23:27

Jesse, you've been delving, diving even, deeper into

23:29

Hell. It was you that freed one of

23:31

the sectors as well, single-handedly. Yeah, exactly. I

23:33

have a war machine. Super Earth, democracy, all

23:35

that sort of stuff. Sadly, I've been busy

23:37

playing other things and doing other things this

23:39

week, so I shouldn't be able to play

23:41

much Helldivers. But it's a bit of a

23:43

shame, because I did want to play more.

23:45

But Jesse, like I said, you've put the

23:48

hours into this, and you're still having a

23:50

blast, I presume. Yeah, I mean,

23:52

I just, it's

23:54

exciting to have another co-op

23:56

game that feels like it can be

23:58

a very... good co-op game. Baldur's Gate

24:00

3 was exactly that. And now we

24:02

have this, which is a completely different

24:04

kind of game. But I

24:09

just, this is the first time I've sort of delved

24:11

into a community regarding a

24:13

game and actually had a really, really positive

24:16

experience where, I think

24:18

we mentioned this last time, but when you're playing

24:20

Helldivers, you're presented with this sort of like galactic

24:22

map and you have two fronts at the moment

24:24

and they're constantly changing and

24:27

evolving as more players maybe fight on one particular

24:30

planet to get rid of the bugs and other

24:32

players falling back to the robot planets and dealing

24:34

with them. And there's this clear

24:36

distinction between this

24:39

almost Starship

24:41

Troopers enjoyment and

24:43

satire when you're dealing with the bugs

24:45

compared to what is like Robo

24:48

Vietnam and hell when you're dealing with. There's

24:50

a lot of TikToks that are about this

24:52

contrast. It's really,

24:54

really fun because that clear divide

24:57

between the community where they still like

24:59

intersect and work together. But I've,

25:01

it's weird because you almost get in two different

25:04

experiences like me and all my mates, we've been

25:06

playing solely on the robot planets because you want

25:08

to try and contribute to like that war effort

25:10

and having fun dealing with that whilst all the

25:13

other people like having a lovely time just raining

25:15

down artillery fire. They have a lot of life.

25:18

Yeah. What happens when a

25:21

planet is fully like free then anything

25:23

like special happening? So I think only,

25:25

I think only two planets from what

25:27

I can remember, maybe three planets have

25:29

actually been secured so far for

25:31

super earth and you know, democratic

25:33

reasons. But one

25:35

of the main challenges, at least when you started the game

25:38

with the bug planets, I can't

25:40

remember what that sector was called, but when you captured

25:42

those two planets, you got like a lot of different

25:44

bits of currency and some other slight upgrades and stuff

25:46

like that. So there is an incentive and you always

25:48

have a percentage tracker depending on what planet you're looking

25:51

at. So when I was just

25:53

looking at the discord or Twitter or even Reddit people like,

25:55

okay, what planet do we need to focus on? Like what

25:57

was that? 10% has now fallen down

25:59

to 5%. We need to catch up and it's it's

26:01

weird because it's the first time I've Messed

26:04

around with a live service game

26:06

that felt very positive

26:09

in a way that I haven't really seen I mean,

26:11

yeah apart from I've seen they've had a few like

26:13

technical issues with my yeah, but apart from that way

26:16

It seems to be everyone like pleasantly surprised by this

26:18

game and maybe it's partly because there's

26:20

no real I don't know. There was

26:22

no hype circle bill up. It just kind of came

26:24

out and everyone's like, oh, this is really fun Let's

26:26

enjoy it rather than I saw I'm

26:30

Theorizing why it might not be good deal

26:32

for a PS 5 slim That's

26:34

only roughly about 400 quid and I'm like, she didn't get

26:37

it. So I'm placing the hell down with the two boys

26:40

PlayStation exclusive That's

26:43

what's really good as well. Is that is it's

26:45

a good example of PlayStation

26:48

release in or you know The

26:50

primarily the studio as well obviously releasing a

26:52

game simultaneously on PC and cross play being

26:54

a thing that could just like bring anyone

26:57

together My partner's playing on the PlayStation. I'm

26:59

playing on PC got mates playing on different

27:01

things as well We can all just jump

27:03

in like the shooting feels really really satisfying

27:05

compared to any other third or

27:07

even first-person Shoot I've played in a long time

27:09

where each gun feels distinctive and

27:11

when you're shooting the aliens or you're shooting the

27:13

robots There's not like numbers flying out of them

27:15

You're not really as you're leveling up upgrading like

27:17

oh, I've got you know, this this level 20

27:19

gun And now I can destroy everything like some

27:22

are armor piercing some are like, you know Really

27:25

good against like bugs specifically and stuff,

27:27

but you're never feeling like I'm getting

27:29

ahead of everyone Never

27:32

overwhelming it's quite clean. It's kind of like

27:35

it's kind of I wrote a thing last week about

27:37

this So like how it's a

27:39

studio historically doing what they do Well doing

27:42

it very well Like Arrowhead

27:44

have made co-op online games for their

27:46

whole lifetime basically and now it's culminated

27:49

in this really successful game Whereas

27:51

a studio like Rocksteady tried doing

27:53

a live service co-op online shooter

27:56

with no actual experience doing that

27:58

And it's not turned out well

28:00

comparatively. You should look at the numbers of

28:02

people playing the games and you can tell

28:04

which one is doing it well and which

28:06

one isn't. It's a lesson. Let

28:08

studios and let people make, let

28:11

them make what they want to make, but

28:13

at the same time make sure they have

28:15

the experience to do that. Yeah, and that

28:17

makes for a lot of development as well.

28:20

You could say the same of Arkane previously

28:22

with Redfall as well. Exactly. I

28:24

mean the first example of this

28:26

was Anthem, right? The fireware just

28:28

going from story, some

28:30

of the best Rin's story RPGs to just

28:33

Anthem, which no one played or wanted to play.

28:35

I think I'll never be like, I don't want

28:37

them to do this, you know, at all because

28:40

you have to have some... No, because I really

28:42

wanted to play this, God, and I really wanted

28:44

to be good, but the proof's in the pudding,

28:46

right? Yeah, exactly. Like you

28:49

just said, the results speak for

28:51

themselves, but with something like Helldivers

28:53

2, they released

28:55

Helldivers and that was like what, 10 years ago

28:57

or so? I think. At

29:00

least, yeah. And they just been working on this and they released

29:02

it and despite like some little, you know, niggling

29:04

server issues and maybe sometimes the game crashes and

29:06

stuff, very, very rarely. Like I've put maybe, I

29:09

think 25 hours into the game, the game's crashed

29:11

twice for me. Not a massive issue. And what's

29:13

so good as well, that if that does happen

29:15

and there's still a mission going where my partner

29:17

and I are playing, if she's still 25,

29:20

I could just drop right back in as soon as the game

29:22

loads up. It's not like, oh, we have to wait till the

29:24

mission's over and stuff. Like it just,

29:27

it's amazing that a game like that comes

29:29

out. It just works. Yeah, it just works.

29:32

And it is surprising how many games come

29:34

out these days and don't work. So it's

29:36

almost feels like a miracle when this one

29:38

isn't perfect by any means, but it

29:41

does work. So that is a bonus. Yeah,

29:43

much like democracy. Yeah,

29:45

exactly. I

29:48

will say if you if you're still like

29:50

on defense about it, we released a video

29:52

yesterday and I'm telling Aaron Hornet, but it's

29:54

called Helldivers 2 best clips that show why

29:56

the game is awesome. And it's just a

29:58

ridiculous montage of shit blowing up. lasers

30:00

flying across the screen. If you want to play

30:02

something that's EDF, Starship

30:04

Troopers, Warhammer, Terminator,

30:07

just all meshed into one

30:09

fantastic experience, like check that

30:11

video out because it's just a fantastic montage

30:13

of just ridiculous clips. Yeah,

30:15

I do want to play more, hopefully I'll find

30:17

some time in the future. There's got to be

30:20

another front at some point. What

30:23

happens when Super Earth gets, you know, taken

30:25

over? I wonder if they're having to accelerate

30:27

things just like, we did not expect this

30:29

many players and they are freeing the, they

30:31

are just putting democracy everywhere too

30:34

quickly at the moment. We're going to build

30:36

some new planets quick. But

30:38

I'm sure they can just go, oh no, the aliens are

30:40

back on one planet. So, yeah, they

30:42

have to go back. I

30:44

don't know like how true to life the numbers

30:47

are and stuff. There have been, yeah,

30:49

yeah, it's true. But it's just, God,

30:52

it feels good. Yeah, good stuff.

30:55

One more game you've been dabbling in, Jesse, if

30:57

we can't keep you out of space. You've

31:00

got a little go on the June

31:02

expansion for Microsoft Flight Sim. Is this

31:04

a free expansion? Yeah, it's just a

31:06

free expansion. It's sort of similar to

31:08

when Microsoft Flight Sim added,

31:11

I think the Pelican from Halo and stuff.

31:13

And they're always adding different little updates, you

31:15

know, world updates and different tours you can

31:17

do across the cross earth and stuff. But

31:20

I am really enjoying the

31:22

fact that we can get more ridiculous

31:25

crossovers in Microsoft

31:27

Flight Simulator. It's

31:29

in the name, right? Simulator. It's the most

31:31

true to life simulator probably out there. It's

31:33

the most realistic depiction of Earth and flying

31:35

around Earth. And then they go, right, do

31:37

you want to go to Arrakis in an

31:39

ornithopter and fly around for a bit? It's

31:41

like, yeah, sure. Do actually. Yeah, it

31:43

does look cool as well. I saw your

31:46

gameplay of it. I haven't had a chance to

31:48

play it, but it does look like they got

31:50

all the little animations of the ornithopter right in

31:52

the sound as well. It sounds so good. It's

31:54

really, really fun to control. That's the

31:56

thing I played on PC, but again,

31:58

using Xbox control. just because I've

32:01

seen people online with very

32:03

traditional flights themselves being like

32:06

my you know my bones up doesn't work correctly

32:08

for the Yeah,

32:10

you just probably better to use a controller for this

32:12

one because it's slightly more arcadey just this specific example

32:14

but um, it's a free expansion you can just dive

32:17

into and if you have game parts you can check

32:19

it out, but it is a It's

32:23

a storm escape mission where you have to rescue

32:25

like a fellow ornithopter like

32:27

pilots crashed and then you have to sort of like Escape

32:30

from a dust storm and

32:32

then they've got a few other challenges sort of

32:34

like touch and go where you're you know practicing

32:36

your land and then quickly race into other landing

32:38

spots all whilst exploring the version of

32:41

Arrakis that they have Put together

32:43

if that is Arrakis just sat like desert

32:45

with rocks in is that what it is

32:47

because that is mainly It's

32:49

well The thing is is that

32:52

you can't actually explore the map freely You've got

32:54

the set challenges in the tutorial that introduce you

32:56

to the ornithopter and you know You can go

32:58

into like first-person mode and you know, click every

33:01

little dial or whatnot. But that's

33:03

the thing. It's it's got I Know

33:06

topography that's different to earth and stuff like that.

33:09

I mean got like Eric. It hasn't got the

33:11

city in right the city is there Oh is

33:13

yeah The thing is one of the challenges

33:15

has you racing towards the city and you sort of land outside

33:17

it? But you can see it. I haven't got close to it

33:19

yet But the

33:21

main thing is it's not like a massive,

33:23

you know Expansion that you can really delve

33:26

into is about maybe five or six missions

33:28

and the storm escape mission You can watch

33:30

the gameplay that we've put up on a

33:32

IGN that The

33:35

storm escape mission. I'm just looking now it took me

33:38

It's about three minutes long The thing is it will

33:40

take you like an hour to do that

33:42

one challenge As the timings are so

33:44

so precise and if you get caught in the

33:46

storm, you're dead But

33:49

is if you're just looking to hone in your skills

33:51

and mess around for an hour or two trying to

33:53

perfect your time I'm in June for a bit to

33:56

my what do you think a spice flavored KitKat would

33:58

taste like? Spicy

34:00

tastes a little bit like a slightly

34:03

almost like a chili chocolate with a

34:05

bit of an orange I've always imagined

34:07

like saffron or something like that. Yeah, but how do

34:10

you use orange? How do you take spice? Wow,

34:14

however you want it with a bit of lemon

34:17

I can't remember what ends in the

34:20

porridge maybe but like do

34:22

they ever explain like how you Def

34:24

let's not spice or do you have spice?

34:26

I don't know I

34:28

It's mainly I don't know if they actually just eat it.

34:31

I think it's more You

34:33

can put it over hours steak or something then like,

34:36

you know, just have some spice flavored

34:38

steak. I don't know Delicious

34:41

you gonna come spice Bay Sprinkled

34:44

spice over steaks. No Kid

34:48

I can't imagine my restaurant desert

34:50

power if me is the say hello

34:52

in Microsoft like I

34:54

can't imagine that they programmed fucking massive

34:58

They don't have the big worms. The thing is

35:00

I haven't spotted it But it has to be

35:02

there has to be an Easter egg somewhere where

35:04

you see that one It'll be such a miss

35:06

or at least like the sand rumbling and then

35:09

like, yeah seeing one go like that. That's easy

35:11

enough, right? the

35:13

worm has to be there someone will find it but I

35:16

did not see it because the You

35:19

know terrifying dust wall, which is really

35:21

really impressive to look at to be

35:23

fair. It's probably sand in it Yeah,

35:25

yeah, it's very impressive See

35:28

dude, mate. Well, anyway, yeah Week,

35:31

maybe we will talk about it on the

35:34

podcast June part 2 more June talk next

35:36

week We'll talk a lot about sand as

35:38

well as other things Something

35:41

you have been watching This

35:43

week though Matthew Jones is the new

35:45

series of mr. And mrs. Smith based

35:48

on the hit Brad Pitt

35:50

and Angelina Jolie 2000

35:53

it was a hit wasn't it? It probably was a

35:55

box on this here. I don't know if it's a

35:57

good film Was

36:00

there any other previous mr. And mrs. Smith thing

36:02

or was that the Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie

36:04

film? I think it was based

36:06

I was gonna say like is it like

36:08

a sort of secret massive IP that's based

36:10

on a book that no one really knows

36:12

about Is there mr. And mrs. Smith law

36:14

that people their subreddit for it? Maybe

36:17

it was an original thing. I don't know

36:19

all I know is there it was okay

36:21

and it made a lot of money And

36:24

I think another later TV series of it with

36:26

Donald Glover in which instantly makes everything better I

36:29

think a lot of people have held on to

36:31

that like I think it's like obviously the IP branding

36:33

of like are we recognized? You know you hear mr.

36:35

And mr. Smith and you go like oh, it's gonna

36:37

be spies or whatever But you think well, I've seen

36:39

the movie. How is this gonna be very different and

36:42

a lot a lot of people have been holding that's

36:44

a very Cool concept.

36:46

It's a very like engaging thing of right

36:48

this married couple actually secretly spies or assassins

36:50

whichever I can't remember if their spies or

36:52

assassins in the film, but um Is

36:55

that the concept is it the same

36:57

setup for the show? It's very different

36:59

Honestly, so I think the main thing

37:01

in the film is that neither of

37:03

the pair know that the other is

37:05

a spy They're both

37:08

independently just doing spy stuff Whereas

37:10

this one they both very much know

37:13

that they are spies And

37:16

so it's a little maybe a little spoiler for the

37:18

first like 10 15 minutes of this show I'm

37:21

sure that's fine. Um, very well presented

37:23

as well But um, they had never

37:25

met before so they're partnered

37:28

up and they become uh, Like

37:31

man and wife husband and wife that's

37:33

the A

37:35

couple yeah, yeah, it's actually very important

37:37

that they're married before they ever okay

37:40

um, and so they're yeah, they're in this

37:42

relationship and uh, they've

37:44

never met before but as part of their spying and

37:46

one of them has a line of dialogue that's like

37:49

It's basically said that we'll keep tabs on each other, right?

37:52

Like we have to work as partners because

37:54

it Has an incentive for

37:56

us to buy for the same agency.

37:58

Yes, and importantly neither of

38:01

them know what the agency

38:03

is and they don't know

38:06

really what mission, like they'll be given the mission

38:08

but they don't know why it's important who any

38:10

of the players are. This

38:12

is weirdly similar to a film I've had for 15 years

38:14

that I've never written. I hate

38:16

it when that happens, I could have done this.

38:19

Oh no, it's different enough. I'm never going to

38:21

write it. So

38:23

in that first episode there's a

38:25

lot of people doing gig work

38:28

in the background. So a character

38:30

will get an Uber or there'll

38:32

be an Uber Eats thing happening.

38:34

It's trying to make this real,

38:36

what if spy stuff was happening

38:38

under a gig work economy? So

38:42

basically getting an assassination done by

38:45

somebody who doesn't know, who doesn't care the specifics of

38:47

it but they're just like go here do this. It's

38:51

really cool, all of

38:53

that, you really don't know what's happening behind the

38:55

scenes by design. But I think

38:57

the thing that really sells it, I've been watching this with my partner,

39:00

and the way that the two main characters

39:02

will talk to each other feels like the

39:05

way that people that are in a relationship

39:07

will decompress after something. You'll

39:09

have been out at a party and then

39:11

somebody will have said something weird and then

39:13

only hours later you'll be like, do you

39:15

remember the time when they said that? It

39:18

feels really like the way that couples talk

39:20

when really no one else is around. And

39:23

in a way that I've not seen reflected

39:25

in basically anything before. It's

39:27

like Mr and Mrs Smith have realistic

39:30

relationship dialogue. Is it like an action

39:32

comedy? There

39:35

is action as comedy but I wouldn't say that

39:37

it's very much like it at all. Like to

39:39

its detriment and its branding. I think that a

39:41

lot of people have skipped this by going, it's

39:43

probably like a little bit of a mid movie

39:45

where I actually think it's really well written. And

39:49

it's crucially a TV series which has,

39:52

I haven't seen the full list but it seems

39:55

like an endless list of just ridiculous guest stars

39:57

burning up in it. So Paul Dano keeps showing

39:59

up as well. John

40:01

Torturo is in an episode. Guys

40:05

go pop up, pop up. Guys go

40:07

like right at the beginning. Yeah, like

40:09

they just got everybody. I do

40:11

want to get around to this just because it does seem like

40:13

it's good fun. Are all the episodes

40:15

out or is it a weekly thing of that first season?

40:17

Yeah, okay. Right, right, right.

40:19

Yeah, it's a little 12 episode. I've not

40:22

seen the final one yet, but yeah. It's

40:24

very good. Yeah, I'm going to check it

40:26

out. It's always good to have something to

40:28

watch while I'm playing football. Oh, here we

40:30

go. I've just been

40:33

on a real tear recently. I've

40:36

already put in, got to check my steam now, I've put 490

40:38

hours into Football Manager 2024. The

40:41

game came out in November, so that's like three

40:43

and a bit months. That's a lot

40:45

of time. But I've been

40:47

taking, I wanted a challenge to have taken

40:50

Barnet up from the

40:52

conference, whatever it's

40:54

called now, the Vanarama National League or

40:57

something, all the way up to

40:59

the Premier League in five seasons. It's not

41:01

an impressive sound of place. Back to Brochans.

41:03

Sorry? Barnet, it just doesn't sound like

41:05

an impressive place. Have you not heard of Barnet? No, I have.

41:08

It's just like, it's just not, just sort of like an

41:10

underwhelming name for a player. Alright, well it's near enough for

41:12

us. Steady on. But

41:14

yeah, once player coached by

41:16

Edgar Davids of Dutch fame, come

41:18

on, have some respect. You know this just

41:20

goes over our heads in its fire. I'm

41:22

looking you in the eye is what I'm

41:24

saying. But yeah, it's got back to

41:27

back to back promotions and it's just

41:29

gone really well for me. I'm really thrilled. I might

41:31

be on the cusp of a Premier League victory already,

41:33

like eight seasons in. You know what, you know what

41:35

I want to know, you've put so many hours into

41:37

the series. Is it at all challenging when you're playing

41:39

like... Sometimes, yeah, I mean I feel

41:42

like this, the last year or two, for some reason, I

41:44

don't know if I've cracked the code, or it seems easier

41:46

than normal. I seem to be able to win. You

41:49

think you could go pro actually now. Do you

41:51

know what, I wouldn't put it past me. But

41:54

I don't know, I've just kind of nailed it. I

41:56

haven't actually... So yesterday an exploit was found, a really

41:58

bad one in the game. game that they need

42:01

to desperately patch out which I haven't actually get

42:03

I tested out just to see if it actually

42:05

worked for me. But basically you

42:07

can get a bid accepted for any

42:09

player in the world so whether they

42:11

cost like 300 million pounds is how

42:13

much they cost. There's this exploit where

42:15

you can basically get them for 2.5

42:18

million if you put in the exact

42:20

right offer of like instalment amounts and

42:22

percentages and means you can

42:24

basically get a bid accepted for 2.5 million

42:27

for any player in the world which does

42:29

break the game but I've not done it

42:31

this time. What I might do is start a

42:33

new random save with a really rich club and

42:35

just buy it like just create an absolutely ridiculous

42:37

dream team and see what happens. But

42:40

yeah that's quite bad. How far

42:42

can this is me with no

42:44

football knowledge at all. How far can you go

42:46

to just like absorb the world

42:48

of every football player and just like can

42:50

you have like just one

42:53

conglomerate football team. You'd only really have

42:55

a squad of like 25. But

42:57

you can't just buy out like 500 reserve

43:00

players and just fuck over every other team.

43:02

You'd never have the budget for that. I'm

43:06

sure you could edit the database and really cheat it to be

43:08

like that but then. I was going to say if you had

43:11

infinite money could you just fuck over the

43:13

football economy? Yeah I mean that's

43:15

pretty much what I did in my last career where

43:17

I took over Aston Ville and I won, I've got

43:19

like 17 league titles in a row and

43:21

I just have to be like there's

43:23

no point in me signing players, there's no one

43:25

that would even get on my bench I can

43:28

sign it's pointless. So yeah I'm

43:30

kind of, I don't know. But what

43:32

would, I just theoretically here, let's say

43:34

you buy every person that plays football

43:37

in the world and the rest of

43:39

the teams can't even fill a team,

43:41

do you automatically win because they have

43:44

to, I just want to know what

43:46

happens, like what's the fail state. I

43:48

mean it would be impossible to sign

43:50

the however hundred thousands of players. I'm

43:53

saying somebody should like mark it in.

43:57

It would generate what it normally does.

44:00

It's just generate fake players who like would

44:02

fill the squad 16

44:04

year old to awful stuff like that. So it would

44:06

be it would be like 16 year olds and no

44:09

team Let's

44:11

say from the opposite side though Like let's

44:13

say that you have no active players and

44:16

yeah, you can't play any games, right? Like

44:18

it will just forfeit whatever you're I can't

44:20

I can't the last time that haven't I

44:22

couldn't fill a bench But like I think

44:24

it does Yeah Like you'd have to bring

44:26

up like people from the under-seven on to

44:28

18 and then it would maybe create fake

44:31

players I can't remember. It's pretty much an

44:33

absurdly rare scenario to happen Maybe

44:35

I should test all these things out Yeah,

44:39

I mainly just wanted to do that to just

44:41

as a little segue to say that some blun

44:43

till I die is back the Netflix documentary that

44:45

follows some learn football club It

44:47

was one of the first real Football documentaries

44:49

that did it right. I think it first came

44:51

out when was the first series like five six

44:53

years ago, I think and 2018

44:58

it was so yeah, just over five years ago

45:00

and it followed Sunderland to if you don't know

45:03

had a real they were in the Premier

45:05

League and then they kind of they got

45:07

relegated to championship and the first season follows

45:10

that and it was meant to be like Sundance

45:12

big resurgence back into the Premier League What

45:14

no one saw coming was that they got

45:17

straight relegated again into league one which is

45:19

below the championship and it just made for

45:22

Season of television where you

45:24

basically it was just pure misery the

45:26

whole time. The club was being run terribly They've

45:29

and the key to something tied I was they

45:32

put as much focus on the football as they

45:34

did even more folks I'd say on the fans

45:36

who like Sunderland is such a town that centered

45:39

around the football team a city even that sent

45:41

around the football team and Kind

45:43

of when the when the club doesn't do well

45:46

that the city doesn't do well And it really

45:48

follows that it's kind of like it was almost

45:50

like the unhollywood version of rex and of the

45:52

rex and one That's all I

45:54

want to ask like why Sunderland and like does

45:57

the documentary can try and understand perspective like it's

45:59

not. The my it was a

46:01

blow smoke. It's perhaps not. I don't know.

46:03

I think that's what's good about the some.

46:05

The one is it doesn't really. Paying.

46:07

Over any of it too much it they

46:09

didn't have said like a sense that some

46:11

funny moments in the task of series where

46:13

the owners suggests might try to pick like

46:15

knee music for the team to work out

46:17

to and they just picked this really bad

46:19

A D Evans have a cyst much as

46:21

funny moments but it's also a flight A

46:23

Love sad moments as well and I think

46:26

my pets on the because they are such

46:28

a massive club that fell on hard times

46:30

basically anti the first see seasons were followed

46:32

basically the decline in it was all like.

46:34

Misery. But then never come back

46:36

a couple years layer and released as three

46:39

episodes in this last season. entire to kind

46:41

of cap it all off because to I

46:43

think motes give more of a happy ending

46:45

and. Is not quite as good

46:47

as it once was, but they still do the

46:50

guessing of focusing on the fans and it has

46:52

a really good. Heart. Warming

46:54

yet was so heartbreaking and into it

46:56

as really bite they really. I

46:59

think now the ending of and show

47:01

what the whole series was a bow

47:03

and co I decided to a slight

47:05

is a good entrance of at see

47:07

why football matches so much to some

47:10

people because like spicy the people in

47:12

that document see like is their lives

47:14

basically and the and yes it's really

47:16

worth watching m. B. A

47:18

high and to myself refs says and. Hit

47:21

the spot I would. I would have much of

47:23

know where can you actually is on Netflix article

47:25

cause you have a single of I'll Never. I'll.

47:28

Never enjoy or appreciate the sports without even

47:30

though if you get what you know on

47:32

earth distance but by says something I can

47:35

introduce you know the actual. Players

47:37

and how it you know that the family

47:39

medical on the salon one or as well

47:41

it and it's kind of like the like

47:43

said the less glossy version of the right

47:45

someone. the actual more true to life no

47:47

I didn't know Someone's too bad, not grown.

47:49

they have a my i just fell a

47:51

bit light. on last night's

47:53

on the tide eyes and my

47:55

eyes animated the the best one

47:58

version of these say i'd I'd

48:01

check that out What

48:04

else we got I suppose we've got some feedback to go

48:06

to IGN on school UK feedback

48:08

at IGN comm Let

48:10

us know next week. We'll be talking about June.

48:12

Maybe we'll talk a bit about Final Fantasy 7

48:14

rebuff I don't know any questions about two of

48:16

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48:19

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51:30

Just like we've got a couple this week about

51:32

we can't I don't even know if we put

51:34

the call out but people have been contributing to

51:36

their favorite either kids TV shows or game shows

51:39

from basically the

51:41

late 90s early 2000s and we've got

51:43

a couple of suggestions.

51:47

A couple of favorites here. Matt you've got

51:49

the first one. I do. I want to say as

51:51

well I was listening to last week's episode. I was

51:53

a big fan of Crossfire whoever emailed in about that.

51:55

I do need to. I still haven't watched it. It's

51:58

so fun. I've got to watch them. It's

52:00

a paintball show, but it's so like the in-between

52:02

stuff is really funny They're like framing and like

52:04

the yeah getting money to have better equipment It's

52:06

just like when you were watching you were like

52:09

oh, I want to do that I want to

52:11

play a game that's like this and then you

52:13

discover a counter-stroke like that I

52:15

think it was genuinely interested in playing counter-stroke

52:17

because of crossfire So

52:19

this one's from Andrew Priest who says hi, I

52:22

Jen crew I pull as well listening to last

52:24

week's pod and hearing Cardi mentioned fun house got

52:26

me meant got me thinking of another kids game

52:28

Show from yes to year. I don't

52:30

know if you young whippersnappers and IGN towers a

52:32

to young remember this game show I

52:35

assure you the majority definitely are

52:37

not too young maybe Jessie There

52:41

was a show on CI TV once called nightmare

52:43

It basically involved humor for young lads and then

52:45

subjected them to what I would say Was

52:47

a single most difficult game show in television history

52:49

I don't remember anyone ever winning it and I

52:52

would sit there watching and thinking how the fuck

52:54

are you supposed to complete this? Yeah,

52:56

Jessie's this ring in any bells. I've

52:58

never heard of it. Oh, you'd love night. Maybe

53:01

that was on now You'd be on it. You

53:03

would have loved it Well, I'll give you a

53:05

little bit more description from Andrew here It's just

53:07

one of the four lads were put on a

53:09

ridiculous helmet So he couldn't see a thing and

53:11

the other three lads had to guide him through

53:13

a virtual reality Medieval dungeon filled with monsters traps

53:15

and puzzles while the beard is Beard whilst the

53:18

bearded host of the show would make disparaging remarks

53:20

throughout you only got one life Too if the

53:22

blindfold kid gets killed, that's it game over. I

53:25

don't know if it I necessarily want it back I

53:27

was more curious if anyone remembers it and

53:29

that's from Andrew It's the I respect the ultimate

53:31

co-op game show Jesse you would have loved it

53:33

So it was a co-op game basically one kid

53:35

was blinded sent to their death and yet to

53:37

rely on your friends Andrew

53:42

they did very briefly bring it back

53:44

for a single video for YouTube rewind

53:47

I think in 2013

53:49

a friend of the show worked on the

53:52

the production of it So

53:54

there is starring easy city from peep

53:56

show as one of the hosts. So

53:59

if you want to see what nightmare would be like

54:01

now as a hour-long special you

54:03

can watch on YouTube. I mean I was

54:05

too young for it when they originally, there

54:07

was actually a late 80s early 90s thing

54:10

I think but I definitely watched reruns when

54:12

I was younger. I'm just looking at it

54:14

now and it does look like a fixed

54:16

camera angle slash map painting maze

54:19

where kids are subjected to like... Oh it's a

54:21

bit like on your green screen yeah. Adwatches

54:24

it's fun there's definitely there's got to

54:27

be like some highlight real compilations out

54:29

there of hilarious things happening. It

54:32

was terrifying as well because as you lost your

54:34

life or like you took too long like this

54:36

skull would peel away and like there'd be like

54:38

snakes in its eyes if I remember rightly and

54:40

stuff like that and just horrible stuff happening. Quite

54:44

terrifying for kids actually but um yeah

54:47

I think you'd enjoy nightmare there's like over 100

54:49

episodes of it I think so yeah there

54:52

you go one for you Jesse I've got an email from

54:55

Daniel Tate he says hi all following on

54:57

from your conversation about old kids shows I

54:59

thought I'd write him with one I remember

55:01

but no one I know remembers it

55:03

was the early 2000s on CBBC a

55:05

bunch of Scottish kids in a found

55:07

footage sort of style and

55:12

it was called Jeopardy and it was about

55:15

these Scottish kids on a school trip to

55:17

Australia and was about alien abduction

55:20

was mint on another note

55:22

don't know if you've seen this but the

55:25

producer of Lost have made a show called From

55:27

has the actor who plays Michael from

55:29

Lost in it and it's along the same lines a

55:31

mysterious place where more questions and answers are offered but

55:33

very good keep up the good work and of course

55:35

respect the sea I haven't heard of From but I

55:38

have heard of Jeopardy I did I do remember watching

55:40

Jeopardy as a kid and I do that would have

55:42

come out when I was like 10 or 11 or

55:44

something I think I do remember it

55:46

being quite scary I don't know if

55:48

kids make it's probably because I don't watch kids TV these

55:50

days isn't it but I do remember when I

55:52

was younger kids TV being actually quite scary

55:54

at times like you had your demon head

55:56

masters and stuff like that which were terrifying

55:59

like the kids They have equivalent

56:01

scary television. I don't know. I don't know but

56:04

they've got email in bluey and that's rad What

56:07

did you like cuz you're a slightly you're

56:09

like the generation before me and Matt slightly.

56:11

No here Jesse What was your like? Do

56:13

you have like a I think

56:15

that series that stuck out? I mean

56:19

What came to mind immediately was a brainiac?

56:21

Don't know if you guys ever watch brainiac

56:23

Yeah, like sky wasn't yeah and I just

56:26

I remember watching I think it's called brainiac

56:28

science abuse and it was sort of like

56:30

a Mythbusters for kind of I

56:32

remember what do you mean now? Yeah, I guess it

56:34

was that the Richard Hammond one Yeah, it was Richard

56:37

Hammond and as a kid. I always thought that was

56:39

just David Tennant And

56:41

I always mix those two up, but I

56:43

was just revisiting the first episode Today

56:46

actually just to see one of the experiments

56:48

which I think has aged fairly poorly I

56:50

don't know how I don't know who

56:52

would agree like this is that there's one guy on

56:54

a bike with a heart

56:56

rate monitor and another guy sitting on

56:58

a couch and he has two topless

57:00

ladies in front of him and The

57:03

experiment is just whose heart rate is faster. Yeah

57:10

Kid show It

57:14

was like a teen I don't

57:16

know. I'm watching it early in the morning. But I

57:18

was just like that's aged. I

57:21

remember an Well, I think it's John tickle, which

57:23

I also think it's hilarious That's awful name his

57:25

thing was that he was on big brother and

57:27

he was sort of clever So he had been

57:29

managed to get on this show But he was

57:32

doing a little bit that was about like if

57:34

you drink a certain if you drink

57:36

more Beer a

57:38

lower alcohol percentage does it get like

57:41

does it mean that you don't get a hangover? I'm like 11 Jesus

57:49

Yeah, brainiac science abuse was um something I

57:51

remember watching a decent amount of I don't

57:53

remember the top list

57:55

people and the heart rate monitor Experiment

57:58

maybe I'm sure that I I don't hear a

58:00

kid's show I think you'll misremember. But who

58:02

knows, you can watch it when you're a kid,

58:05

that's fine. Yeah. There we

58:07

go. And stuff, let's, we still want

58:09

more of that, we want KitKats and best,

58:12

maybe scary kids TV shows, let's pivot to

58:14

that. I'm sure the Demon Headmaster will

58:16

be at the top of a lot of people's lists. Did you

58:18

ever watch that Jesse, or was it you two? What

58:21

show, sorry? The Demon Headmaster. The Demon

58:23

Headmaster. Sadly, the actor died I think

58:25

last year, or the year before. I'm

58:27

not familiar. Terrifying if you

58:29

are my age. Weird eyes, thumbnail's

58:31

awful. Oh,

58:35

it's got a sort of similar vibe to, the

58:38

Goosebumps intro, it's just a bunch of weird

58:40

effects. For

58:43

me, that was the peak, and it's probably

58:45

because it was when I was like a

58:47

peak child age to be watching it off.

58:49

But that, the Queen's nose, and

58:51

Bernard's watch, those were, remember

58:54

Aquila? I do

58:56

remember Aquila. I've got this haunting memory of

58:58

Aquila, where there's an episode where they like,

59:00

have programmed Aquila to show up if they

59:02

blow a whistle, but they can't remember if

59:04

they programmed it to be on the left

59:06

or right. So he's like, Aquila's going to

59:08

kill me. Aquila's going to run into me.

59:10

And I was like, yeah, God, what if

59:12

you did just forget? If

59:15

you programmed your mythical Roman machine?

59:18

What a bad concept. You don't make them like

59:20

that anymore. I was going to say, you

59:22

two must know this show, and I can't remember the

59:24

bloody name for it, but I think it was a

59:26

Scottish BBC show. The Skywall, like this

59:28

sort of black, almost Game of Thrones, Yale's

59:30

Raven. That's a god damn fucking good man.

59:35

What? We don't actually know him. We know a

59:37

lad who looks quite a lot like him. We'll leave it at that.

59:39

Sad. Yeah, Raven was bloody sick, man. He

59:42

was just, wouldn't he say, like, just let

59:44

the challenge begin, the hypest thing. Yeah.

59:46

And we haven't even got time to talk

59:49

about how good Zap was. But anyway, let's

59:51

talk about that another day. Shout out to Alex

59:53

Mack as well. That was a big one for

59:55

me. Another

59:58

great episode of the IJ. UK

1:00:00

podcast or what we gonna

1:00:03

have for music this time

1:00:05

I mean is the

1:00:07

theme to Raven any good I

1:00:10

don't know like it must be good could I

1:00:12

have it's going down from the percent of three

1:00:15

reload soundtrack I was gonna suggest that we can't

1:00:17

not have persona music on so yeah we're gonna

1:00:19

we're gonna go with that but thank you for

1:00:21

your suggestion of the Raven theme Jesse yeah okay

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all right well

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