In this episode, after a bit of a hiatus, James Samimi Farr talks with Amanda Ripley, a writer for The Atlantic and the author of many great books, including her latest, High Conflict, which details how people get themselves into damaging and polarizing conflict, and how they can get themselves out.

We got to a lot of places in this conversation, but, here a few themes that popped out. What makes unhealthy conflict explode? How is our media system culpable in promoting high conflict? Why does our media sometimes ‘flatten’ our very dynamic world in service of telling a story? And what are the limits of us vs them thinking in solving social problems?