0:08

Stories are unique to the human

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race. They inspire us,

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delight us, and cast the

0:15

familiar world around us in a whole

0:17

new light. Everyone has

0:19

been wrapped up in a good story at some point in their

0:21

lives. Curled up with a book

0:23

you can't put down, binge watching

0:26

television shows late into the night,

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or being so obsessed with the story,

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You find yourself dreaming about it. And

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every one of us, at some point, has

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thought, What if

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Today, we are entering the online

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world of fanfiction. What

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is it? Who writes it? And

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why the subject matter often leads

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to the dark, the sexual, and

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the taboo. That's what you're

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in for today on Impolite Society.

1:33

Welcome to the podcast that explores the topics

1:35

you can't discuss in polite society,

1:38

like the idea that two brothers can get

1:40

each other pregnant, have butt babies, and raise

1:42

them together. I'm Laura.

1:45

And I'm frightened. Nope,

1:48

that is quite the intro to set this topic

1:50

up. But, you know, before we dive into it, I

1:52

am Rachel. I'm not just frightened. I have a name.

1:55

And it's Rachel.

1:57

And this is a frightening

2:00

and exciting topic today. We are talking

2:02

about fanfiction. And

2:04

a little behind the scenes info for you,

2:07

before we came back for Impolite

2:09

Society Season 2, Rachel

2:12

and I actually thought about doing a new podcast

2:14

that 100 percent revolved around

2:17

fanfiction or for

2:19

the initiated. Fanfic.

2:21

Oh my god, I had completely

2:23

forgotten that we had even talked about that.

2:26

That was like another lifetime

2:28

ago. Oh my god, it was

2:30

such a good premise, but I can't remember

2:32

what exactly it was. But I know I was

2:35

excited about it. Uh, what

2:37

was it called? What was it called?

2:39

happens.

2:40

redact that! Redact that!

2:42

Oh, okay. I'll I'll I'll bleep

2:44

it.

2:45

Beep! Yeah, we don't want anybody to steal our ideas.

2:47

It was gold. And, reading

2:49

the research today, I'm like, let's do it. I want to do

2:51

it now.

2:52

Like you said, redacted. We'll talk about

2:54

that later

2:55

Yeah, stay tuned, because we, the

2:57

two mothers of four

2:59

children under four. Uh, we

3:01

need another side project on top

3:03

of our side project. We have too much

3:05

free time. Some of us choose to build

3:07

a kitchen. Others do another podcast.

3:11

So today we are not only going to

3:13

tell you more about fan fiction,

3:16

we just want everyone

3:18

to know that this is a topic near

3:20

and dear to our collective

3:23

hearts that has almost

3:25

endless applications. And

3:28

so if you're not familiar. What

3:31

is fanfiction? Let's

3:33

just get some basic facts on the table. If for

3:35

some reason you've been like buried to the internet

3:38

in the last 10 years fanfiction

3:41

goes longer than that, right? Like 20

3:43

years. I'm sure as soon as the internet started,

3:46

somebody

3:46

well, I guess that's true. Oh god now you're dating

3:48

me. This is one of the things like oh, yeah That was 10 years

3:50

ago. No, that was like 20

3:53

25

3:54

in the nineties. Like

3:56

we're cats coming on

3:58

Time's arrow. March is on.

4:02

Fan fiction is a category of writing

4:05

where writers take the original

4:07

works of others. So thinking a

4:09

book, a TV show, a

4:11

movie, an anime, a

4:13

comic book, whatever you can think

4:16

of that has original characters in it

4:18

and creates their own stories

4:20

using those characters.

4:22

I mean, technically they don't have to be fictional

4:24

characters either. You can write about people in your life.

4:27

I think of Tina Belcher from Bob's

4:29

Burgers has her friend fiction that she writes.

4:31

Her erotic friend fiction where she writes about

4:33

her friends and sexual situations.

4:36

I love Bob's Burgers. It's such

4:38

my comfort show. I have been watching it on repeat

4:41

during this newborn phase of life.

4:44

That is an interesting take. I've

4:46

never thought of it. But yeah, you're absolutely

4:48

right because they don't necessarily have

4:50

to be fictional characters. We'll,

4:53

we'll talk about that a little bit later, but these

4:56

stories usually have

4:59

a certain theme

5:02

to them.

5:03

And that theme is, what

5:05

if these two, or three, or

5:08

four, or five, or six, characters fucked

5:11

in increasingly weird and fucked

5:13

up ways? Right? Did I get that

5:15

right?

5:16

Well, fanfiction is not always

5:19

sexual. Some people do write

5:21

perfectly in character,

5:23

canon, vanilla versions of

5:25

fanfiction. It

5:28

truly is. It really is. It's very sweet.

5:30

I think of it as people like, like,

5:32

auditioning to be a writer on the show.

5:35

You know what I mean? Like they're making

5:36

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:39

The vast majority of fan fiction

5:42

is about relationships, romance,

5:46

sex, or straight

5:48

up porn. Or, a

5:50

combo of those, because it doesn't have to be mutually

5:53

exclusive. You can have something that's

5:55

about a relationship and romance and

5:57

then like a everyday thing, but then also there's

5:59

wild fucking at the end. You know, you can

6:01

mix and match these things.

6:02

That reminds me of the 30 Rock

6:05

episode where Liz Lemon has

6:07

to give Tracy Morgan her life rights and he

6:09

uses it to make a porno. And it's just

6:11

kind of like that. At the end of the episode it was just

6:13

the characters doing the same thing that they had

6:15

done in the episode but then fucking at the end.

6:18

Yep, that's pretty

6:21

much where it goes.

6:22

But this makes me, this makes me, I have to ask.

6:24

Have you ever written any fanfic?

6:28

I think you know the

6:29

I think I do too. I think Laura has

6:31

written a lot of, A lot of fanfiction. Did

6:34

you post it to websites? Is it still out there?

6:36

You, you, oh my god, I remember, it is out

6:38

there, but you won't tell me the name.

6:40

No.

6:40

You gotta tell me the name.

6:42

No. I

6:44

That's that's the one topic we won't broach.

6:46

I'm pretty sure in the clitoris episode we talked

6:48

about our vulvas extensively,

6:51

but Laura won't tell me her fanfic author

6:54

name.

6:57

Maybe I will after the episode.

6:59

Well, maybe we'll make a Patreon, and if you subscribe.

7:03

What about you?

7:05

would say I have dabbled. I've never published

7:07

anything to a website, but I did,

7:10

one of the things I wrote when I was in high school was

7:12

a scene of Bella Swan's first

7:14

kill when she became a vamp. But

7:17

little did I know that Stephanie Meyer was

7:19

going to make her like the perfect vampire lady who

7:21

never succumbed to the bestial

7:23

urges of killing and drinking the blood of a human.

7:26

The bloodlust.

7:28

didn't have it. She was just super

7:30

self control vamp mommy. But

7:32

anyways, that was like the only thing that I

7:34

wrote ever that was explicitly fan fiction.

7:37

And even then I wasn't too embarrassed to actually put anybody's

7:39

name into it. Um,

7:41

but I'm pretty sure I, I wrote some quote unquote

7:43

original things as a young adult or teenager

7:45

that were. heavily influenced

7:48

by, the things that I were reading at the

7:50

time, like Twilight and all

7:52

those other fantasy romance books.

7:54

So very thinly

7:56

veiled fan fiction.

7:59

I feel that I feel that and there's

8:02

actually a term That

8:04

we're gonna get into later that I

8:06

fell into like whoa,

8:08

Was it Mpregs? Because I was excited

8:10

to learn more about that.

8:11

No, it was not I've

8:15

always thought that fanfiction started

8:17

relatively recently, and that's

8:20

kind of right. But truly,

8:23

Fan fiction has been around since the 1700s.

8:26

This is when the general public became more

8:28

and more literate and books

8:30

made their way into everyday

8:32

people's hands and their imagination

8:35

started churning. And I

8:37

think about this and I'm just like, man, what a time.

8:40

To be alive, there's no TV,

8:42

there's no radio. There's just fucking

8:44

daily drudge every day.

8:46

And you know, the people in your lives and you

8:48

know, that provides its own entertainment,

8:51

but nothing to really get that brain

8:53

whirling. And then. Books,

8:57

books, whole new

8:59

worlds opening right

9:02

in front of you. You know, for people

9:04

who like make money and like have time to sit

9:06

down and imagine whole new worlds, you,

9:08

you know, everyday normie drudgery

9:11

doesn't have time for that. But then you

9:13

open these books and you have just

9:17

pure imagination in front of you.

9:19

And even normies wanted

9:22

to get in on that game.

9:24

So they were more stories being

9:26

exposed to more people, so then as soon

9:28

as you got your hands on a story, you

9:30

were gonna take your own spin at it and

9:32

take the characters and play with them.

9:35

Especially if you are more a creative type

9:37

soul, but again, if you weren't born into privilege

9:39

and class, you've never had the opportunity to exercise

9:42

that because you're fucking working

9:44

16 hours a day.

9:46

Yeah, oh yeah. But if those people, they still

9:48

had stories too, right? They had songs

9:50

and ballads and like oral tradition.

9:53

The only thing about that was there was no OG source

9:55

material. So I would say everything

9:58

up until books and written words

10:00

and, you know, typewriter,

10:02

not typewriter. printing press,

10:05

that was all fan fiction. You think the Iliad

10:07

was exactly what happened verbatim? They're

10:09

like, it's all, we got a whole fanfic about

10:12

this guy named Odysseus and what he did.

10:15

And we decided to put it down on paper and make

10:17

it fact.

10:18

Yes. Yeah. After we've had enough

10:20

iterations of the fanfics of

10:22

what really got the crowds going.

10:25

And so around this time, everyday people

10:27

were writing their own spinoffs,

10:30

uh, of Gulliver's Travel

10:32

and Jane Eyre, and they were

10:34

submitting them to local newspapers

10:36

for serialized printing, and

10:39

some of them were a little more

10:41

like dirty limericks in cartoons.

10:46

But the principle was there, everyday people

10:48

who aren't the original creators

10:50

are continuing the journey on

10:53

their own because truly nobody likes

10:55

an ending. If you enjoy a story, you

10:57

want it to go on and on and on.

10:59

Or those little snippets that you're like, Ooh,

11:01

missed opportunity. You know, my imagination

11:04

is churning. Let's get it down on

11:06

paper because I know other people are going to think it

11:08

Or, or what was another character who

11:10

wasn't the main character, what were they doing during

11:12

this part of the story, and all that kind

11:14

of stuff, and it's just, it's really funny that

11:16

even, humans are humans are humans regardless

11:18

of time, and of course you want dirty limericks in

11:20

cartoons, of course, that's just, that's

11:22

a natural step in the journey, but man,

11:25

wouldn't that be like the biggest compliment

11:28

as somebody who made something or created

11:30

something that people would Took the ball and

11:32

kept rolling with it. I would not even

11:34

be offended. Do you think there's any fanfic

11:36

about podcasters? There has to be.

11:39

Hmm. Probably. Oh,

11:41

I bet if I go on, Archive of Our

11:43

Own, there's something about, like, stuff you

11:45

should know, like the classic

11:47

what I was gonna think. Oh my god,

11:49

what if they made them gay together? Oh,

11:51

no, I don't want to read that. I'm sorry.

11:54

Okay, I'm just gonna share something. There was

11:57

a fanfiction I wrote, and

11:59

I shared it, to Tumblr, specifically.

12:02

And people fucking rolled with it. One

12:04

person drew a cartoon about it,

12:07

and another person wrote a fucking song about

12:10

it.

12:11

what was the source material?

12:13

I'm not gonna say.

12:14

it Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

12:16

No, it was not. And

12:18

Dirty Jobs.

12:19

no, I,

12:20

I'm just gonna keep guessing. Band of Brothers.

12:22

bowled over that I

12:24

was like, holy fucking

12:26

shit. And I mean, I know that they

12:28

were all like teenagers, we'll get into the demographics

12:31

of

12:31

Oh yeah. But I think

12:33

that's like beautiful,

12:36

right? To feel connected to those people.

12:38

To have that connection. And I think that kind of rolls

12:40

into what makes it so Such

12:43

a, I don't want to say movement, but it

12:45

makes it a

12:46

It is, it is a, a

12:48

movement and it is a community, but,

12:51

and that community started

12:53

kind of as we know it today

12:55

in the 60s. And that was with

12:57

the rise of science fiction magazines

13:00

and nerds. You gotta fucking

13:02

love them and these were not regular

13:06

today nerds. Oh no, in the 60s,

13:08

these are dedicated nerds

13:10

because we don't know how good we

13:12

have it nowadays. You are one

13:15

Google search away from a unique

13:17

community of weirdos that are just

13:20

like you. Back in the day, you had

13:22

to fucking work for it. Fans

13:24

met each other at movie releases.

13:27

Bookstores, conventions,

13:29

they built themselves a community

13:32

and by, I guess,

13:34

trading addresses, I

13:36

Yeah. Cause how else are you going to have your

13:39

meetups where you dress up like an animal

13:41

and floof each other or whatever? I don't

13:43

remember what exactly the word was, but

13:45

that was a throwback to

13:48

furries. Yes. which is a,

13:50

another show we did way back in the day, but

13:52

fun fact that also originated

13:55

at like comic cons and AKA

13:57

what Laura called nerd conventions. So

14:00

I love the furries. God bless them. Weirdos

14:05

of community in today's day and age,

14:07

and I can't think of a better example.

14:09

Even our weirdos can't

14:12

meet in person anymore. And I

14:14

just want to say that I, I say weirdos

14:17

in the most lovingly way because

14:19

make no mistake. I am

14:22

one of those weirdos. I am a fanfic

14:24

weirdo,

14:26

need weirdos, because

14:28

without weirdos, who would

14:31

make all the podcasts? Would it

14:33

just be lifestyle influencers,

14:35

and coaches, life coaches,

14:37

and former actors in sitcoms?

14:40

They already have enough attention. They don't need any more.

14:42

fucking truly, because

14:45

Turn into the rat king of attention.

14:49

but it really is. It's like podcast

14:51

is really the last. True,

14:54

like, pure bas Actually, you know what

14:56

I'm gonna say? Fan fiction and podcasting.

14:58

The last true bastion of

15:00

weirdos. Cause I feel like everything else,

15:03

like you said, has been co opted by like, the super

15:05

influencers, super popular, everyone's trying

15:07

to monopolize, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

15:11

We're staying true.

15:12

Well, I think, like, D& D.

15:14

Okay, fine. Prove me wrong.

15:17

some fandoms.

15:19

All right. Anyway,

15:20

people write fanfic about D& D. Oh,

15:22

especially the movie with

15:24

uh, who's that guy? The Duke from Bridgerton?

15:26

Our, our.

15:28

Okay.

15:31

Anyway, anyway. So

15:33

these sci fi fans, they started

15:35

communicating and they created

15:37

their own fanzines. And

15:39

these are fan made magazines

15:42

that are about the subject matter that they

15:44

were interested in. Fan

15:46

magazines were printed out. And

15:49

mailed to the communities

15:51

that were interested and

15:53

along with kind of reflection

15:55

pieces like, Oh, this is what this

15:58

means to me. This is the subtext of this episode,

16:00

movie, et cetera, et cetera. There's some

16:03

character explorations, actor

16:05

details, original

16:07

works started to appear

16:10

in these fan magazines.

16:11

And, oh my god, that sounds like a

16:13

dream job, which I guess it probably wasn't even a job.

16:16

It was probably just people doing it for fun. But

16:18

like, what a great hobby to be the

16:20

editor of one of those zines, where you just get

16:22

to be the one who spends all this time diving

16:24

through the, the fandom

16:27

and the interest and picking what

16:29

gets to go in there and what's worthwhile. Ugh!

16:31

Yeah, for sure, for sure. I

16:33

don't know, I was trying

16:36

to figure out, I'm like, did people pay for this?

16:39

I mean, they had to have had, right? Like, if you

16:41

print it out and mail it, that's

16:43

cost. But, like, I don't know

16:45

how the system worked. But it was

16:48

analog and labor intensive,

16:51

Did they cut out, like, letters

16:53

and tape them onto a page and then photocopy

16:55

it?

16:55

No, they would, they were photocopied,

16:58

but they get, like, You know, one printer

17:00

to do a couple of things and then they

17:02

would photocopy it and,

17:04

and bind it together with staplers

17:07

and then send it around. and

17:09

so these fan magazines were happening

17:11

since the, the 50s or the 60s,

17:14

labor intensive, but then in 1968,

17:19

it happened. The first

17:22

slash fiction appeared.

17:26

If you don't know what slash is,

17:29

don't. I don't know what Slash is.

17:31

Truly,

17:32

I don't.

17:33

oh

17:33

Is it like Slasher?

17:36

no, mm mm, mm mm. I'm Gonna get

17:38

you in on it. There are a lot of

17:40

fanfic terms, and too

17:42

many to define in its entirety

17:44

here, but the number one term

17:47

that you need to know is slash.

17:50

And slash fiction is so

17:52

called because of the

17:54

forward slash, or

17:56

slash between two, yes,

17:59

forward slash the symbol, between two

18:01

characters names when

18:04

a story specifically gets pornographic.

18:07

So it's not like, oh, Bella

18:10

and, I don't know, what's another Twilight character's name?

18:14

That's not Edward.

18:15

Rosalie.

18:16

When Bella and Rosalie had like a conversation

18:18

or a side, you know, something, it wouldn't

18:21

be Bella slash Rosa,

18:23

whatever. It, it

18:25

has to be like, No, this is a

18:27

pairing. So that's

18:30

when you do slash. It was First

18:32

used to describe homosexual

18:35

relationships, the unconventional

18:38

relationships, but I think that

18:40

the definition of slash has kind of evolved

18:43

a bit to involve a het

18:45

porn to again, I'm going to define

18:48

that term later, but I'm going to

18:50

use my. Original

18:53

fanfiction love here to get you the

18:55

idea of what Slash is. So like, Buffy

18:58

slash Angel. That would be

19:00

Angel and Buffy fucking. Buffy

19:02

slash Spike. Angel

19:04

slash Buffy slash Spike.

19:07

A Hehehehe

19:10

Angel slash Spike fucking. So

19:12

you get the idea. The combinations are endless,

19:14

but it's the characters that are involved in fucking

19:17

with slashes between

19:18

So this is like in the title. This isn't

19:20

in the actual writing itself.

19:23

Yeah, it's, it's, it's not in the title.

19:25

It's in the descriptor of what

19:27

that

19:28

okay, okay, okay. Because I was thinking that

19:30

it was like you open the piece and it was like, Angel

19:33

slash Buffy or Bucky. Like,

19:36

I was just like, because again with fanfiction,

19:38

grammar can be hit or miss. I

19:41

will say from my limited experience

19:43

in reading fanfiction, I, it's,

19:47

it's a wild west out there when it comes to

19:49

It is a fucking Wild West. You

19:51

get absolute shit. Then

19:53

you'll come across a piece that is just like absolute

19:56

fucking art. And I'm

19:58

like, how do I determine the difference? Question?

20:01

You can't. You just got to search

20:02

You just gotta roll the dice.

20:04

you are digging for gold, man.

20:06

luckily, they have those pairings

20:09

slashed together. So it's like a menu,

20:11

right? You can just do a little browsing

20:13

and find exactly what you were looking for.

20:16

Exactly what you want. Like, oh, these two

20:18

random characters? I wanna see them

20:20

do it. And see what situation

20:23

led to it. nobody wants

20:25

to Read without getting the

20:27

jollies, you know? Like, who's going to

20:29

spend time reading supremacistly?

20:32

Come on, this is America.

20:34

you can go through on these online

20:36

forums and search like I want this

20:38

slash this and I

20:40

only want Explicit

20:43

material like

20:44

So, that makes sense because that

20:46

feeds the search engine, right? Because it's one

20:48

term. Yeah, okay,

20:50

that makes a lot of sense why

20:53

the slash came in there and how it was adapted

20:55

to be cute little lingo.

20:57

So the first known

21:00

Slash fiction the one that happened

21:02

in 1968 was

21:04

written by Jennifer

21:06

Guttridge titled the

21:08

ring Of Sauce Hern.

21:12

Any guesses about who it starred?

21:14

Think science fiction.

21:15

The Ring of Saucern? I don't

21:17

know anything about Ring, Lord of the

21:19

Rings, first thing I thought of. But that's not science

21:22

fiction. Uh, Battlestar Galactica?

21:25

Is that that old? Star Doctor Who,

21:27

Star Trek!

21:28

No. Star Ah!

21:31

Did I get it? Doctor Who, Star Trek? I'd watch

21:33

some Tom No, what the fuck

21:35

was that guy's name with the long scarf on Doctor

21:38

Who? Somebody

21:40

Who. I'm talking about Star Trek.

21:42

but I would watch Dr. Who, read

21:44

Dr. Who fanfic. No,

21:46

no, no, no. It was the original from the 60s

21:48

or whatever

21:49

No, I don't

21:49

But I do love, I do love me some David

21:51

Tennant and Christopher Eccleson.

21:54

And those two together. Can

21:56

you have a doctor slash doctor?

21:58

Oh, most definitely that's out

22:01

there. 100 percent that's out

22:03

there. But

22:04

Okay, back on track. Focus, Rachel.

22:08

It was Kirk? And Spock,

22:11

uh, in the Ring of

22:13

Saucern. I may be mispronouncing

22:15

that, I don't know. But let me give you a

22:17

little summary. Quote,

22:20

Kirk and Spock find

22:22

themselves stranded on a remote,

22:24

deserted planet. Spock

22:26

goes into the state of Ponfar,

22:29

the violent, in heat fever

22:31

that comes to Vulcans. Okay, side,

22:33

side, side note, that is 100 percent

22:35

canon. That is something that happens in the show,

22:38

they come into heat.

22:39

The, the phrase, violent

22:42

in heat fever made me

22:44

wretch. I'm sorry, that

22:47

Back to quote,

22:48

traumatizing. Okay.

22:50

during which they must have

22:52

sex or die. To save

22:54

Spock's life, Kirk allows

22:57

Spock to penetrate him and

22:59

the two then fall in love and

23:01

spend all the remaining days on

23:03

the planet exploiting

23:06

Both the planet and

23:08

each other's bodies.

23:10

oh my gosh. I mean. Penetration

23:13

is a very big jump. Like,

23:15

you could throw a hand into the mix to save

23:17

your bro, right?

23:18

I don't know the rules of PUNFAR! It

23:21

might have to be penetration. You

23:23

know, if it's like, in heat and like, you gotta

23:25

like, impregnate somebody? Anyway, okay.

23:27

So right out of the hate, fanfiction

23:30

is getting exactly

23:32

where people live. Which is in the

23:35

taboo.

23:35

Oh, this makes me want to do the other podcast

23:38

so bad. Cause it's like,

23:40

oh, it's our hobbies. It's fandoms and

23:43

fanfic and the taboo. It just was such

23:45

a natural, it was such a good idea.

23:47

I mean, maybe we'll do it like a limited series,

23:49

like we'll do it in a series someday where

23:52

instead of constantly around the clock, like, I'm

23:54

in Polite Society, our, first never

23:56

maturing newborn baby that cries

23:59

every three hours and demands, demands, demands.

24:01

No, just kidding. I love it in Polite Society. But,

24:04

maybe in the future we'll do like a season, where we'll do

24:06

like seasons of this other thing. Because

24:08

also

24:08

we could just throw it in here.

24:10

Like, throw it in the feed. Like, what do y'all think of

24:13

this?

24:14

I like that idea, because who the fuck cares,

24:16

right? It's either you listen to it or you don't, and

24:18

we'll get a pretty idea we'll get an idea pretty quick.

24:21

It's a hobby. Who fucking cares?

24:23

Okay, so things in fanfiction

24:26

can get weird and dark

24:28

pretty fucking fast and don't get me wrong

24:31

it's not all Sexual deviancy

24:33

like I said, there are some vanilla things

24:36

in there But there is no better

24:38

way to prove this by

24:40

looking at a convenient word cloud

24:43

of tags on Archive

24:45

of Our Own, also known as AO3,

24:48

and this is the most

24:51

popular fan fiction destination

24:53

on the internet. so Rachel,

24:56

looking at that word cloud,

24:59

what are some of the ones that

25:01

really jump out at you?

25:05

Okay, so my first kind of

25:08

skimming scanning over it, the

25:10

ones that are the, you know, the ones that are

25:12

Not gonna surprise anyone. I see

25:15

smut, I see romance, I

25:17

see BDSM, bigger

25:20

than others, and a

25:22

fun one, just humiliation

25:25

and mythical beings and creatures.

25:28

Those are just some of like the ones that jump out. But

25:30

it's not just like, I keep

25:32

finding more that make me go, Viscerally

25:36

cringe. Anyways, those are just like the normal

25:38

ones, right? But there's some on

25:40

here that are making me truly

25:42

concerned for humanity. And

25:45

those are What

25:47

are the ones that kind of like shocked me as I'm

25:49

looking through? Well, finger fucking

25:51

is very big on here. And that's a very

25:54

feel like that shouldn't be concerning.

25:56

I feel like I'm like, yeah, I'll click on that

25:58

tag.

25:59

But it's like, why is it so big? I don't know. I just

26:01

like, how many finger fuckings

26:03

are happening? How many finger fucks are happening?

26:05

But then there's also like, very

26:08

confusing ones. Torture.

26:11

Mm.

26:12

What is this B one? Bodily

26:14

fluids. Harm

26:19

to children?

26:21

Woof.

26:22

I'm, I'm not, I don't even want to

26:24

Touch that with a 10 foot pole. Torture.

26:27

Like just, what is going

26:29

on here? But then there's also some like

26:32

cute ones that make me intrigued

26:34

like, um,, pining. I'm like, aww,

26:36

pining. But then there's also

26:38

a category for secrets, and

26:41

I'm just like, what's that? What are the secrets?

26:43

So this really, it covers the whole spectrum of

26:45

humanity, but there's also some non

26:47

sexual ones on here. Like, if

26:50

you look, if you just get past the non consensual,

26:53

you see non sexual.

26:56

General, that's another one. Like, general

26:59

is non sexual fictions.

27:01

So there's a lot going on in this word

27:03

cloud. And so let me, let me start

27:06

with some of the more harmless ones and define

27:08

some of these

27:09

Okay, yeah, cuz there was one I wrote down,

27:11

dead dove. I don't know what that means, and I didn't

27:13

I honestly tried to look into that.

27:16

Don't know what that is because

27:19

I was also like, what the fuck is that? And

27:21

then I clicked into the tag and I'm like, I don't

27:23

see a through line and all these different stories

27:26

So if somebody knows what dead

27:28

dove don't eat the dove is

27:30

please let me know. I don't know But

27:33

let's start with some of the harmless ones Alternative

27:36

universe. This is very common a

27:39

you fix. So this is when

27:42

The world as itself

27:44

is canon. If you don't know what canon

27:46

is, that is like, that's the

27:48

creator. That's the official version

27:50

of the story. Alternative universe

27:53

is where you take that canon story

27:56

and switch some things up,

27:59

whether that is, a

28:01

crossover with, uh,

28:04

another. fandom. So

28:06

if it's like, Marvel and DC characters

28:08

are interacting or Buffy

28:11

characters and,

28:13

uh, Twilight, yeah,

28:15

Twilight characters are interacting

28:17

or alternative universe of like,

28:19

these are the same characters,

28:22

the same people, but they don't

28:24

live in that universe. They live in,

28:26

Our normie universe, or

28:29

they live in a

28:31

zombie apocalypse universe,

28:33

Got it. So like, what if Harry Potter wasn't

28:35

a wizard? Like, and he just wasn't an accountant

28:38

or something.

28:38

but, but it was the same thing, like his parents

28:40

died and like, he was abused

28:43

child and, uh, for

28:45

some reason, famous, I don't know,

28:46

And he wanted to fuck everyone.

28:50

not always, uh, and then,

28:52

uh, another term is real person

28:55

fiction.

28:56

is this like where fictional

28:58

characters meet real people? Like,

29:01

can I use real person

29:03

fanfic to insert myself into, let's

29:05

say, Bones? The TV show

29:07

Bones. Oh, shit!

29:09

No, it would be more as

29:11

if you or

29:13

a fictional character had sex

29:15

with the real person

29:18

of David Boreanaz who plays

29:20

a character on Bones.

29:22

and Buffy. right? That's

29:25

So it would be like, if, it's kind of like

29:27

that erotic friend fiction,

29:29

right? Where it's like, I take a real person and

29:32

I write about them. Like, I could

29:34

write Oh, President Obama

29:37

fiction,

29:39

Precisely. And the

29:40

up or something. I don't know what he does

29:42

in his spare time.

29:44

And this is kind of like a moral gray

29:46

area. Sometimes this is frowned upon

29:48

in the fanfiction community But

29:52

I

29:55

Mean could you imagine like I

29:57

mean like so a podcast fiction would

29:59

be a real person Fiction.

30:02

yeah, like we made jokes about that. Do

30:04

you think that we, oh

30:07

my god, what would you do if somebody made an Employee

30:09

Society fanfiction?

30:10

I would be so fucking

30:13

flattered and I would post

30:15

it everywhere and everything

30:17

and say look at this.

30:19

like, you know what it would be.

30:21

So? Who cares? No

30:23

such thing as bad press.

30:25

Yeah, I guess, because they're like, what else are they going

30:27

to do? Oh, Laura edited

30:29

half of the episode and then texted Rachel.

30:31

Okay, I did my half. Now it's your turn.

30:34

Because that's the reality of it. And

30:37

nobody wants to read that.

30:41

Alright

30:41

I don't see real person on here.

30:44

I don't think it's, it's not a super popular

30:47

one, but it definitely

30:48

Okay, because I was going to see who are the top

30:50

people, real people.

30:52

Well, and, and Rachel, you

30:55

and I, if we were to do,

30:57

if somebody were to write a fiction about us, it

30:59

would be Real Person Fic

31:02

or FemSlash, which

31:04

is When two

31:06

girls get it on again, Rachel

31:08

slash Laura with the,

31:11

the slash in between that's fem

31:13

slash, because traditionally, like I said, it

31:15

was more for homosexual relationships

31:17

of men.

31:19

Gosh, even in the fanfiction world, men are

31:21

the default. You have to add the female.

31:23

What about, why can't women just be

31:25

scientists? Why can't they be women scientists? Or

31:28

women porn. Or

31:30

just porn. Why's it gotta be women porn?

31:33

Femme slush. Uh, another

31:36

really cute one that you'll see that

31:38

is big on here is Fluff. Fluff

31:41

is just basically like cutesy

31:44

stuff, you know, like, oh, they're

31:46

in a established relationship and

31:48

then like, oh, they, they have a good cuddle.

31:50

You know, like, it's just pure, like,

31:53

good feelings only. Uh,

31:56

that's what fluff is and I was always like,

31:58

fuck fluff, I'm not interested.

32:00

Okay, I saw that and I was, thought

32:02

it was referring to the

32:05

furries.

32:05

got fat and got

32:07

No, I thought it was, I, the floofing or whatever

32:09

that, I, I literally thought it was a sexual

32:11

thing. Oops.

32:13

Well, I mean, it can be sexual, but it's like,

32:16

a

32:17

That's, that. Oh,

32:20

it's coming back to me. Okay. Continue. Continue.

32:24

harmless ones, the ones that you pointed out.

32:26

So, very popular, BDSM.

32:30

So we're getting into the more

32:32

darker side, non

32:34

consensual, that's another,

32:36

big theme in here, or

32:38

dubcon, that's another thing, dubcon

32:41

is dubious consent,

32:43

so, happening,

32:47

maybe under duress, under,

32:51

under the influence, dubcon

32:53

is, is very popular, I don't know. And

32:56

that makes sense, right? Because if you're taking

32:58

characters from a

33:00

show, or TV,

33:03

or movie, or books, or whatever, that have no

33:05

reason to actually be interested

33:08

in each

33:08

You have to make a reason.

33:11

exactly.

33:12

oh, these two enemies got drunk and

33:14

then they ended up boning.

33:16

Precisely. Or one forced themselves

33:18

on the other and the other was like, no, but

33:21

yes, it,

33:23

Ugh.

33:23

would be dubcon another

33:26

tag, angst, uh,

33:29

angst fix or hurt and comfort.

33:31

So again, something terrible happened

33:34

and they're very upset and they

33:36

need solace and they'll find

33:38

solace wherever they can take

33:42

that

33:42

Leading to sexual situations.

33:45

Exactly. Um, and.

33:49

And, uh, just bare

33:52

bones, another one that's big on this

33:54

word cloud is violence

33:56

because, you know, there,

34:00

Oh, wow, yeah. What is that, just

34:02

like, beating each other up? Or is it

34:04

like, violent sex?

34:06

It could be anything. It could

34:08

be they're beating each other up. There could be, they're having

34:10

violent sex, but. You're

34:13

seeing a theme here,

34:15

right? I, I assume you are, but let's

34:18

hold that thought

34:20

because one

34:22

not listed here, which

34:24

surprised me because I know

34:26

it's extremely popular, is

34:29

Mpreg. Any guesses

34:31

on what that is?

34:33

uh,

34:35

I talked about it a little at the top though, so you

34:37

might Be clued

34:38

Oh, with that, thinly

34:41

veiled, is that, I'm guessing, supernatural reference?

34:43

Yep.

34:44

Is it, have to do with, um,

34:46

butt babies, as you called it. Ha

34:48

ha ha ha!

34:51

That's right. M Preg

34:53

is male pregnancy.

34:55

This is a whole

34:58

universe in and of itself where

35:00

two men, you know, who get in

35:02

relationships, like romantic relationships

35:06

and, or, you know, like I said, non

35:08

consensual or dubious consent, and

35:10

they can get pregnant.

35:12

This is not. Regaled

35:14

to a certain fandom, like my Supernatural

35:17

reference. This is all

35:19

fandoms that this shows up in. And

35:22

there are all kinds of rules, uh,

35:24

that they've created around it. It's, it,

35:27

it's very confusing to me. I'm

35:29

not into these fictions. So

35:31

I've never, like, dived into this world.

35:34

But there's something, like, they've created

35:36

a universe where this is supposed to have made sense.

35:38

There's, like, alphas, betas, omegas.

35:41

And then they They get

35:43

together and there's a term called

35:45

nodding. I don't really know what that

35:47

means.

35:48

I can guess.

35:50

Well, it's definitely like sex,

35:52

but there's something related. I, something

35:55

like they like

35:57

the aftermath of a dog

36:00

doing it?

36:01

Oh,

36:02

That's, that's, like, what I imagine. Did

36:05

you know that dogs get stuck inside of

36:07

the other one? For like 30

36:09

to 40 minutes after mating?

36:11

Well, then that's probably exactly

36:13

what it

36:13

Yeah, I just imagine their, like, genitals are getting

36:15

locked in together. No, but it's actually dogs

36:17

will get at it, and then when they've done, like, they,

36:20

they jump off, but the penis is still

36:22

stuck in the vagina, and they stand butt to butt,

36:24

and they look at, they just look at you like dumbass

36:26

dogs do. And you know, just

36:28

know exactly what they did.

36:31

Uh, okay, yeah, that's probably

36:33

exactly what this is about. I don't

36:36

know much about it. I know sometimes it can

36:38

involve shape shifting. Um,

36:40

What, they shape shifted to a woman? I'm so

36:43

so? Anyway,

36:46

it's a whole genre

36:48

of fiction, again, that spans all

36:50

different kinds of fandoms. But

36:53

that's a thing, but okay, back

36:55

to that theme that you

36:57

had in your head of

37:00

some of the things that we talked about, which I imagine

37:02

was

37:03

Finger

37:03

violence. Well,

37:06

I mean, who could have a problem with that, but violence,

37:11

non consensual. Dubcon

37:14

hurt. And

37:16

I know you, Rachel. And I

37:19

think, I'm not a mind reader, but I

37:21

think that your feminist brain

37:23

is probably turning right now. You know, we've done all

37:25

these episodes on like, you know, sex

37:28

sounds, and you know, violence,

37:30

and that kind of thing.

37:31

Porn, the animated porn.

37:34

Yeah, porn! Not even just

37:36

animated porn, just regular porn.

37:38

You'll see a clear theme going through.

37:41

These sexual dynamics of fanfic,

37:44

to me, are the most interesting

37:47

thing about it.

37:48

It's interesting that we just mentioned animated

37:51

porn and porn in general because I personally

37:54

It's not so much the feminism part

37:56

that ticks in my brain on this because we see

37:58

this across everything from porn

38:01

to romance, like romance,

38:03

the genre right now, the big thing

38:05

is dark romances where women

38:08

are being abducted and sex trafficked

38:10

and all this horrible, horrible stuff. And yeah,

38:12

people are consuming that and whacking

38:15

off to it. It's interesting. so

38:17

to me, it's, I think I know

38:19

where you're going. Patriarchy

38:22

and whatnot. But I think it's

38:24

all the same kind of, Chasing

38:26

that super stimuli, that giant

38:28

egg. You always gotta

38:31

be more

38:33

shocking to get readers. Yeah,

38:36

and same thing with the social media that's

38:38

radicalizing all of us and all that stuff.

38:40

It's just a nature, nature of the

38:42

beast, right? Once you have access to everything,

38:45

the ordinary, You can't just have a dirty

38:47

limerick about Mr. Darcy

38:50

anymore, that doesn't get us, doesn't

38:52

get us there. We have to have Mr. Darcy

38:54

chained up in our basement.

38:58

You gotta go dark.

39:00

Especially cause you said it's about taboos, so you

39:02

gotta amp up the taboo every

39:04

time. And may I quote,

39:06

harm to children.

39:10

So keeping that all in

39:12

mind, let's talk about demographic.

39:15

Who writes this stuff? The

39:18

readers and writers of fanfiction

39:21

are overwhelmingly

39:23

white females between the

39:25

ages of 25 and 35.

39:28

The next biggest group is 18 to 24.

39:30

So I mean, That's,

39:33

white females between 18 and 34.

39:36

That's a pretty wide guess. But

39:38

when you look at their sexuality,

39:41

that they've self identified as, it's

39:43

very interesting. The biggest pie,

39:46

piece of the pie, is straight women.

39:48

Or straight ish. A fair

39:50

amount of these people ID as queer,

39:53

which is a really broad category.

39:56

But I found that

39:59

surprising

40:00

and I'll jump in there because I feel like women's

40:02

sexuality is a little bit harder to pinpoint

40:05

anyway But that I

40:07

will blame on the patriarchy and

40:09

the commodifying and sexualization of women's bodies

40:11

because if we're taught that women's bodies are sex objects

40:14

Then of course when you look at a woman's body,

40:17

you're gonna think sex Anyways, that's that

40:19

that's neither here nor there that that

40:22

is my entry patriarchy corner.

40:25

But the interesting thing though,

40:28

these fan fiction writers that are female,

40:30

readers that are female, but the subjects,

40:34

they're not commodifying women's bodies.

40:37

They're commodifying men, men,

40:41

And

40:42

Flip the script

40:44

men that are fucking each other,

40:46

men that are putting themselves in hurt,

40:49

comfort, dubious, consensual,

40:51

non consensual relationships

40:54

and using them as

40:56

playthings. Right back to that

40:59

first slash fiction that was written

41:01

by a woman about two

41:03

men Kirk and Spock putting

41:05

them in dangerous situations having

41:08

traumatic things happen to

41:10

them to further the story

41:12

and create these sexual situations

41:15

and People have been complaining for years that

41:17

men use women in stories to further

41:20

that male leads journey, you

41:22

know Man

41:24

is needs a stimulus to go

41:26

on a quest of revenge

41:28

while his wife died or his wife was raped.

41:34

Fridge? What the Oh, we were talking about that

41:36

earlier.

41:37

What? No, but not earlier today. Probably a long time

41:39

ago. It's like a term in

41:42

video games. If your wife got

41:44

fridged. I can't remember the exact reference. Uh,

41:47

the guy's wife got killed and put in a fridge.

41:49

He finds her in the fridge. So it became

41:51

like a slag term for like, Oh, a female's

41:54

death motivated the protagonist, the male

41:56

protagonist. She got fridged. Um,

41:58

I took a class. Did I ever tell you about

42:00

Okay, quick aside.

42:01

Oh, I'm sure that you took a class

42:03

took a class in college, uh, I signed

42:05

up for it because it was called

42:08

Women in Video dot dot

42:10

dot dot And I was like, oh hell yeah,

42:12

I want to learn about the representation

42:14

of women

42:16

on film

42:16

was like, I thought we were going to be watching

42:19

The, the tip drill music

42:21

video, where they swipe a credit

42:23

card up her ass. So I get into

42:25

the class and it was a couple, me and a couple other girls

42:27

that I knew, and we're sitting there and

42:29

it was like, welcome to portrayals of women

42:32

in video games. And we were like,

42:34

well, we left out a very

42:36

important word on the like docket

42:39

of classes. Um,

42:42

So I have written many a paper

42:44

on Princess Peach because that is like

42:47

one of the two video game characters

42:49

that are female I knew about. Um,

42:51

actually just kidding, it was three. It was Princess Peach, Lara

42:54

Croft, and Coco Bandicoot.

42:57

Those are the three. Okay, sorry.

42:59

Aside. Liberal Arts

43:01

Colleges. Save your money.

43:04

but it's just interesting

43:06

because when there is a same sex

43:09

relationship, these women are the

43:11

ones that are writing. They are

43:13

using these same tropes,

43:16

you know, of this furthers the

43:18

journey, this kicks off that

43:20

and things get violent

43:23

or there's this great love

43:25

that assists him on a quest. It's just only

43:27

the roles recast

43:30

from female to male. To male.

43:34

I just think there's some really interesting

43:36

psychology. Going

43:38

on there. I don't know what it is

43:40

exactly, but it's very fascinating

43:43

again We're not we don't answer

43:45

these try to answer these questions anymore

43:48

But my theory

43:50

is like these are just like human

43:52

principles of like what? What

43:54

creates tension? What creates drama?

43:57

What creates a hero's

43:59

journey? And it's conflict of some

44:01

kind. And who doesn't want to throw sex

44:03

into that conflict? And so when it's

44:05

men writing, it's men and women, the

44:07

woman dies and creates this journey. When

44:10

women are writing, they

44:12

don't want to cast themselves in

44:14

these, you know, I don't want to be the one that dies

44:17

or whatever. Like, so I'm going to take these

44:19

two established characters

44:21

and put them into these roles.

44:24

Yeah, no, I definitely think that there is something

44:26

interesting there. And like you said, like, the taboo

44:29

is just kind of scratching it. It just

44:31

kind of is making it a little bit more exciting

44:33

and a little bit more titillating. Because you

44:35

also see, like, when you look at porn trends,

44:37

right, with women, couplings.

44:42

That makes

44:43

I don't know if it tends to, but I've heard

44:45

it anecdotally. What

44:49

So on fanfiction, what

44:51

are people writing about specifically

44:54

not just the genre but what universe

44:57

or Fandom

44:59

characters are

45:00

popular?

45:00

fun of?

45:01

Exactly. Alright,

45:04

we've got the top, I don't

45:06

know how many, there's a graph here. number

45:09

one, MCU. Marvel

45:12

Cinematic Universe. By far,

45:14

the top, uh, genre

45:16

of fictions being kicked

45:18

out. Number two, Harry

45:20

Potter. Which did surprise me, even after

45:23

this many years. It's still ranking

45:25

up there.

45:25

Oh yeah, didn't we talk about

45:28

that in the animated porn? Like associations

45:30

with childhood and like the coming of age

45:32

and it's just, yeah,

45:34

Still,

45:35

Oh my God,

45:37

cranking it out. Literally and

45:39

figuratively. Uh, three,

45:41

DCU, which is the DC

45:44

universe. Four, Supernatural.

45:49

That was the one I

45:52

that random show is the thing that everybody

45:55

It's so bad, too. I tried to watch it once.

45:58

So bad.

45:59

Oh, I like, I

45:59

thing I alluded to at the top was

46:01

the, the two brothers having butt babies

46:04

and raising them together because there

46:06

are two hot male leads, in

46:09

the show, but they're brothers. And

46:11

so fan fiction, people were

46:13

like, well,

46:15

Yeah, make out!

46:16

character. Yeah, they're the main characters.

46:19

They're both hot. We're gonna make a makeout.

46:21

And then you're just gonna go crazy with it. Uh,

46:25

the next one, number, what, 1,

46:28

2, 3, 4, 5, 6? I don't

46:30

know what number I'm on. Uh,

46:32

there's some age, what is this, like,

46:35

My Academia Hero

46:37

or something? I don't know what

46:39

that is. Like, B N H A. It's Some

46:41

Asian thing. Uh, next

46:44

one, Star Wars. After that,

46:46

Original Works, which good for them.

46:49

Trending pretty high up. Uh,

46:51

and then another one,

46:53

Oh, God.

46:55

I don't know what

46:56

No, I was just looking at the one after this.

46:58

Sherlock, BBC.

46:59

We just love a standoffish

47:02

male protagonist.

47:04

oh it's so true. A

47:06

crotchety old, like,

47:08

uh, curmudgeon.

47:10

was just like an asshole. Like, I'm a genius,

47:13

and like, I'm

47:13

curmudgeonly. Inaccessible.

47:17

Inaccessible.

47:18

that literally was written by men

47:20

who thought that they were Sherlock. They're like, heh

47:22

heh heh.

47:24

No. But men don't write ffic fan

47:26

No, but they wrote the show. Heh

47:29

But then women were like, yeah,

47:31

get it

47:32

No, they just want to see him fuck another man.

47:35

Yep.

47:35

Which is interesting. Okay, I don't know if we

47:37

want to get into this yet, but like

47:40

a theme here is a lot of

47:42

male friendships, right? Sherlock

47:45

and his buddy, the other one, Watson.

47:48

Supernatural, the bros. Harry Potter has

47:50

like a couple male friends that

47:52

are close and Star Wars, Hans and

47:54

Luke and also like a sibling

47:56

dynamic there and

47:58

Marvel's all a bunch of men.

48:01

Yeah, let's, let's dive

48:03

into it, because let's also talk about

48:06

the top lovers of fanfiction.

48:09

Dean and Sam Winchester.

48:12

That is supernatural.

48:14

they're brothers.

48:15

Yep. And as I heard

48:18

one person say one time, Where

48:20

real person fiction is

48:22

the high road, because if you're

48:25

like, I really want to see these two

48:27

get it on, but I know in the show

48:29

they're brothers and that feels inherently wrong.

48:32

So I'm going to just write about the actors

48:34

getting it on.

48:34

Smart. It's a loophole. It's a loophole.

48:36

a loophole. Exactly. Uh,

48:40

Harry Styles and

48:42

Louis Tomlinson. This

48:44

is One Direction. I don't know.

48:47

That is this breaks, that breaks my heart.

48:49

But that, that was a little bit dramatic, but

48:51

just like I, I got to this point. I

48:53

was like, oh my God, this is what real person

48:55

fanfic, isn't it? It's real people. And

48:58

it just, that's traumatizing. That is so

49:00

traumatizing to me to take somebody who's real

49:02

and then like, imagine them. I mean,

49:05

I guess people do that in their heads all the time,

49:07

but,

49:08

totally.

49:10

but to write it down and then consume it and people,

49:12

uh, they're real people.

49:14

it's it's a moral gray area for sure. Like

49:17

I said, this is this is the thing that some

49:19

people are like It's not right. Other people

49:21

are like, yeah, whatever you put yourself out there.

49:23

It's yeah, okay Next

49:25

one Steve Rogers and Tony

49:28

Stark in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

49:30

don't know who Steve Rogers is.

49:32

Captain America. Tony Stark is Iron Man.

49:34

Captain America and Iron Man. They have

49:36

kind of a little bit contentious

49:38

relationship in the movies. Exactly.

49:42

Gotta get that going. Uh,

49:45

next one. Draco Malfoy

49:47

and Harry Potter.

49:49

the tension. I,

49:51

like, one of the few fan fictions I

49:53

read was about, Harry Potter and Snape.

49:56

And it turned me

49:57

y! I never, ugh! Snare

50:00

y

50:00

like child predation and I

50:02

Yes!

50:03

it.

50:04

It's a very popular one. I'm surprised

50:06

it didn't make it to the top of these pairings.

50:09

I don't remember what the source was for this but this

50:11

was a legitimate, I'll link it in the show notes,

50:14

but Snare y, Snape and Harry,

50:16

did not make it into this list, but that is a popular

50:18

one that has disturbed me for

50:20

many many

50:21

He's just like, I want to look in your eyes.

50:23

Ugh! You

50:25

have your mother's eye. Ah! That

50:28

makes it so much creepier! Okay. next one. Bucky

50:30

Barnes and Steve Rogers. So,

50:32

uh, the Winter Soldier and Captain America,

50:35

the fuck is a winter soldier? I've never

50:37

heard of that.

50:37

you don't, you don't do the Marvel Universe but

50:39

it, he's a,

50:40

that a superhero? I thought that was Captain

50:43

a villain. No, the Winter Soldier

50:45

is a villain, um, Who

50:48

used to be Steve Rogers

50:50

friend, that

50:53

theme that you talked about before. Uh,

50:55

Sherlock Holmes, John Watson is the next

50:57

one on the list, and then Castile

51:00

and Dean Winchester in Supernatural.

51:02

This is somebody who's not his

51:03

It's an angel. It's like one of the top

51:06

ships, internet ships. Um,

51:09

and I'll just say like, the glass ceiling

51:12

is real because a woman has not even cracked

51:14

this list of top

51:17

fan fiction sexual folks.

51:20

because it's mostly women,

51:22

straight women, who are writing

51:24

these fictions, so they

51:27

like dudes.

51:29

That's true

51:30

Get the dudes on. Same as men

51:32

who love lesbians. Z2, two

51:34

girls, get it on. This is exactly

51:37

the thing, apparently, that women are

51:39

also equally into. It's interesting,

51:41

right?

51:42

Yeah, and I mean, I think we're on

51:44

to something with the like the relationship,

51:47

right? Because there's like seeing the men be

51:49

vulnerable I guess together is what makes

51:52

women aroused.

51:53

Yes, because this

51:56

is the theme that two men in a contentious

51:58

relationship. Again, the tension,

52:01

or they're just too

52:03

close friends. And

52:06

that is something that's very interesting.

52:09

So yeah. Women, or society

52:11

on a whole, were begging men

52:13

to open up, be vulnerable, have

52:16

friendships, have emotional attachments.

52:19

But when they do, in these

52:21

fictional universes, women

52:24

are running over to AO3

52:27

to write porn about how they're actually

52:29

gay together. That's amazing.

52:32

Well, that's because all women want gay men.

52:34

Is that is that a secret? Is that like taboo?

52:37

No, every every woman has a

52:39

gay friend. They're like, hmm If

52:41

only, if only you would see me and

52:44

the gays know it. And they use

52:46

that to their advantage. They could take over the world

52:48

if they wanted to. You know? but

52:50

to me, it's also interesting to look at it. Because

52:53

I, here comes my feminist lens coming

52:55

back on. I feel like A,

52:57

men are more often the main

52:59

characters, right? So they're more often the

53:02

dynamic characters where there is that tension.

53:04

Where there is that more, like,

53:06

More complicated layers, you're

53:08

which is sexy. Complication

53:10

is sexy. Right? And paired

53:13

with that B, uh, you know, they're not

53:15

going to typically get together canonically, right?

53:17

So you're not going to have that satisfying

53:19

moment because think of bones,

53:21

right? I've been watching, again, that's like my newborn

53:23

comfort show. We've been watching a lot of bones,

53:25

like the sexual tension ends with

53:27

them coupling, right? So

53:30

why would I want to write about that when it happens

53:32

on the screen?

53:33

it's happening in real time. I'm just waiting

53:36

for it to happen in real time

53:38

Yeah, yeah, because, you know, if there's a woman in the

53:40

story, she's usually there to

53:42

exist as some kind of romantic partner, so

53:44

those, you're going to see that story play,

53:47

that storyline play out, you know,

53:49

like the Jim and Pam tension, nobody's,

53:52

people probably aren't writing fanfic about that

53:54

because it's what

53:55

anymore. I bet they were at the moment,

53:57

but you're right. That's like a point in time.

54:00

So it's not like one of the most popular pairings

54:02

because eventually it

54:03

They got together and they got kids

54:06

and it's like, oh, that's boring. It's real life. But

54:09

Dwight and Jim, they never happen.

54:11

So like, what kind of kinky stuff do they have

54:13

going out in the mating shed behind

54:16

the whatever barn on Schrute Farms?

54:22

The mating shed is actually a reference from

54:24

30 Rock.

54:25

Is that a

54:26

Kenneth? Yeah, He's

54:28

like, what did he say? Something about

54:30

albinos? It's like. You

54:32

get to be watchers in the mating shed

54:35

or something like that. It's

54:37

just, God, 30 Rock, always

54:39

dancing on the line of what was actually

54:41

okay to say and not, but it was funny.

54:44

I think that's very interesting when you talk about men

54:46

being the main characters and most complex

54:49

characters. And that's

54:51

why it spurns so

54:53

much fan fiction because

54:57

I mean, women watch porn. That's not a

54:59

shocker, right? We

55:01

What? Women aren't asexual

55:04

beings who just lay and wait

55:06

to be used by a man?

55:09

but they aren't the top,

55:11

consumers of pornography. We know this.

55:14

I feel like maybe

55:17

I'm speaking a little bit on a turn. I know there

55:20

are exceptions to this rule. There are some

55:22

women that see a picture of a dick just

55:24

to, you know, Impersonal

55:27

picture of a dick and we're like, yeah,

55:29

I am not that person, you

55:31

know, like

55:32

It's more about the emotions

55:34

and the tension and the buildup,

55:36

which doesn't really occur In

55:39

videos you would find on specific pornographic

55:41

websites. It happens on, what,

55:44

AO3? Is that what it's called?

55:45

Precisely. Yes, because

55:48

I can watch a porno that has very

55:50

poorly acted things where they try

55:52

to create something. It's Fucking bullshit.

55:54

I'm not into it. I would much rather

55:56

be into, I'm watching this highly polished,

55:58

great written show. I understand

56:01

this person and all their different motivations and

56:03

layers. And then my mind comes

56:05

together and develops a sexual

56:07

scenario that is much more

56:10

titillating to me than two

56:12

strangers boning it

56:14

out on a porno because

56:17

of those emotional layers. So

56:19

I think that is why.

56:21

Fan fiction leads towards the female

56:24

and again, maybe leans more towards

56:26

these homosexual relationships because you have

56:28

people who have more dynamic

56:31

layers that play

56:33

of those emotions of that personality

56:36

plus the sex. That's

56:38

what people are looking for. And really,

56:40

to me, what this opens up is like we need

56:42

a whole new like porno genre

56:45

that it's just like regular shows

56:48

produced just as great. And

56:50

just as good of a writing only at the

56:52

very end and just as good acting, that's important.

56:55

But then at the end of, you know,

56:57

maybe every four episodes,

56:59

there's just like complete hardcore

57:01

porno.

57:02

Isn't that, like, HBO?

57:05

No, it's not as good.

57:07

I mean, HBO gets like dirty,

57:09

but not like hardcore porno

57:12

because you don't can't get good actors

57:15

to get, you know, fucked.

57:18

Dude, who was, it was in Game of Thrones!

57:20

There was, like, actual software porn

57:22

happening, right? I remember

57:24

I mean, there's soft core.

57:27

But it was, like, a surprisingly famous person who was

57:29

doing it. I've only, I've

57:31

only, watched the first season. And I just remember being like,

57:33

oh, wow, this is what HBO's all about.

57:36

So, porno, whether it's

57:39

written on the screen

57:41

on HBO or we write it ourselves.

57:44

And also I feel like your dream could come true

57:46

with like AI and these deep fakes

57:49

where we could see like actual

57:51

characters that we like from actual shows

57:54

fucking, and that's

57:57

Kind of scary.

57:58

than it is titillating, that's for sure.

58:01

Agreed.

58:02

I don't want to see those poor bros from

58:04

Supernatural actually doing it. I'm

58:06

just

58:08

Oh! It's AI! Oh

58:10

God, that's actually a really disturbing

58:13

thought that fan fiction isn't

58:15

going to be fan fiction anymore. It's just going

58:17

to be people deep faking

58:18

No.

58:19

ing.

58:20

fanfiction, because writing about two

58:22

men having anal sex is very different

58:25

than seeing anal

58:27

sex. Women, yeah,

58:29

I think women are still going to prefer that written word,

58:31

because sex

58:34

is violent and awkward

58:36

and gross at times, so it's just,

58:39

Uh whole new can of worms there

58:42

Okay, so when it

58:44

comes to fan fiction there

58:46

are Writers, you know,

58:48

the original writers, and people

58:51

that are outside of the community, they

58:53

make fun of fanfiction. They're

58:55

like, you guys are just fucking

58:57

lazy. You just

59:00

write what other people have

59:02

already done. You've taken my

59:04

works and you're turning it into something

59:06

else. These are people who can't make

59:09

up their own characters. Fanfiction

59:15

is a great place to start writing

59:18

and for those of us who don't have

59:20

a ton of time to imagine our own

59:23

Original universes because we're

59:25

working the 16 hours a day as

59:27

they were back in the 1700s It's

59:30

it's basically like playing

59:32

dolls. You don't make the dolls

59:34

yourself, right? You don't manufacture the

59:36

bodies and paint their faces on

59:38

and give them hair Somebody else makes

59:41

the dolls and gives them some core characteristics

59:44

But you just get to pick up and play

59:47

with them and make them do the things

59:49

that you want them to do. And,

59:51

you know, because we're human beings and we're really

59:54

just, you know, overgrown apes, that's

59:56

sex.

59:57

Yeah. Oh yeah. I just, I mean, even

59:59

with Barbies, that's what it devolved

1:00:01

to. Come on folks. Let's be real. But

1:00:04

yeah, that's exactly it. Like you can criticize

1:00:06

it, but that's just the difference of somebody

1:00:09

who's maybe very seriously, very

1:00:11

serious into a craft or into an

1:00:13

art versus like a hobbyist, right?

1:00:16

You know, I can go to my painting

1:00:19

wine class and make something for fun

1:00:21

and enjoy it, but that's not like.

1:00:23

Oh, hi art, you know, or

1:00:25

like I can go out I'm

1:00:27

not gonna go out into nature and try to

1:00:29

cut it on my own for two weeks

1:00:31

But you bet your ass I'll walk on a trail

1:00:34

somebody else made and be like I'm a nature

1:00:36

bitch Right, and it's

1:00:39

it's like you said playing dolls and that actually

1:00:41

connects cuz you know I've never

1:00:43

I've never written erotic friend fiction,

1:00:46

but I have made Sims

1:00:48

of people that I know, including myself

1:00:51

and Sims of characters from

1:00:53

books and like movies and TV

1:00:55

shows that I've watched, like recreate the situations

1:00:58

and doing that and like, you

1:01:00

know, Sims from the computer game, I'll say.

1:01:03

So it's just like people have this innate

1:01:05

urge to take the stories that

1:01:07

they have and expand upon them in

1:01:09

their own playing, whether that's by sitting down

1:01:11

and writing or dolls

1:01:14

or Sims. It doesn't

1:01:16

make it any less valid

1:01:18

or less of a story, right?

1:01:20

It's just people,

1:01:23

like you said, who want

1:01:25

to dabble in it without starting from scratch.

1:01:27

Or you know, you just get your inspiration. You get inspiration

1:01:29

from what's around you.

1:01:31

Yeah, and it's like Just because

1:01:34

it's inspired by other things

1:01:36

doesn't make the writing

1:01:38

any less, in my eyes, to

1:01:41

be a form of high art, like

1:01:43

I said, because some of these are

1:01:46

written so fucking well,

1:01:48

and the grasp of the character

1:01:50

is amazing, and the writing

1:01:53

It's so Style or the abilities

1:01:55

of the writers are truly amazing

1:01:58

and that doesn't lessen your

1:02:00

talent just because you're using What

1:02:03

other people have created to

1:02:05

start this you're not a career

1:02:08

writer You're a hobbyist you're

1:02:10

taking a god given

1:02:12

talent or Satan given

1:02:14

talent in Rachel's case and

1:02:17

you are using it In

1:02:19

whatever way that you can. And I think that

1:02:21

that's admirable. because

1:02:23

like I said, I've seen a lot of really, really

1:02:26

great writers. And I don't see

1:02:28

any point in shitting on them.

1:02:31

I think it's a, I think it's admirable

1:02:33

in any case. Whether you use it to

1:02:35

write porn with somebody else's characters,

1:02:38

or to just write a, a gen,

1:02:40

general fiction, a fluff. Whatever

1:02:43

the case may be, you're using the talents

1:02:46

that you have, uh, and, and

1:02:48

that is wonderful.

1:02:49

Like, yeah, you go to any bar with karaoke,

1:02:51

there's going to be that one person who sings really, really

1:02:54

good. And that

1:02:54

Yeah.

1:02:55

just having a good fucking time.

1:02:57

Yeah. And they're like, oh, you didn't write that song.

1:02:59

Well, fuck off. I'm fucking like re

1:03:02

writing it

1:03:02

Oh yeah, just like there's a lot of talented people

1:03:04

out there who never have a chance to

1:03:06

do, use their talent for living.

1:03:09

So just let them enjoy it where they can.

1:03:12

yes. So that's

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it, folks. A little dive into

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a sexy corner of the internet

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in fan fiction. I really enjoyed

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this research. It did

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remind me of our furries episode

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a little bit. And we talked about it kind of throughout,

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but no matter what you think of this stuff,

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you have to hats off to them. People

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are laboring with love.

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Being a fan doesn't

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always have to be passive. You

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can create with it and open

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a whole new side of yourself you didn't

1:03:44

know existed. I

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didn't start writing with fan fiction,

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but it was definitely how I started

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honing my craft and developing

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a writing style And if a creator

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can inspire other people with their works,

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I think that's the highest form of

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flattery.

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And I would agree. So

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send us your Impolite Society

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inspired fan fix. They don't

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have to be Femslash. They could also just

1:04:10

be Rachel and Laura editing a

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podcast.

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I definitely want to see the Femme Slashes.

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Ha

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and Laura going to a podcast conference

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that has full of strife and

1:04:21

tension. And you

1:04:23

can send them to rude at

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impolitesocietypodcast. com

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and be sure to download, rate, and subscribe

1:04:30

in all the places and shit, um,

1:04:32

that we are, you know, you

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getting out there and doing

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that is our number one way for

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us. To help other people find us. And if

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you really feel impassioned to help other people find

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us, just tell them directly, share

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this episode with the fanfic

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reader, writer, or

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just like a stranger online, who's into fanfic

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on Tumblr, post it on your Tumblr. You know, just

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connection is one podcast share

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away. It's a wild world out

1:04:59

there. And we're just here to

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learn about it.

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Damn Skippy,

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off to the drums!

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Stay curious or whatever I

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say normally.

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thing. Whatever.