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This. Is the infocus Bought cards from

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the Hindu. Welcome.

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To the hinders in podcast Mcb the

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Hamid you host for today. The.

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Indian government recently brought in an

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amendment to the Wildlife Protection Act

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with regard to captain elephants. This.

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Amendment the rules for which came

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in last month regulates the transfer

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or transport of captive elephants and

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has sparked an outcry from animal

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rights activists. Elephants are

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according to the Wildlife Protection Act

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a shed you One species offered

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the highest protection under the law.

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Captive. Elephants However, because of the

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historical role in India where they have

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been used in tim below blogging, they

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have been part of royalist states and

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Us to used in temples for religious

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festivals come under a special category, but

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there was still strict rules governing their

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transfer. Now. However, with

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this new amendment, the transfer of

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elephants is a loved for religious

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or any other purposes. Activists say

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that this is a big definition

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and can revive the illegal commercial

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trade and trafficking of elephants, something

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that the country has been trying

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to curb for decades. Concerns.

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Have also been raised about Van Thera

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Anand a money's rehabilitation center in German

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added good job which has come under

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criticism for it's housing of a large

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number of elephants. Why?

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Was this amendment brought in? What?

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Does this mean for the two thousand, six

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hundred or so captive elephants across the country?

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Are wild elephants continuing to be

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captured and illegally sold? And.

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What is the way forward when it comes

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to the rehabilitation of captive elephants in India?

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We. Delve into these questions and more with

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a look his are while up a lawyer,

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a researcher and fond of the Center for

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Research and Animal Rights based in Goa. Good.

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Morning and welcome to the Hindus infocus

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focused on it. The

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minds of men are thank you for an Ebenezer. I'm

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it. Could you explain? The a captive Ellison

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chance for transport. who's twenty twenty four to

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ask why would these was brought in and

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what are the concerned it on the. See.

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Usual was began as a draft

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amendments to the By Lead Protection

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Act as early as the end

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of Two Thousand Twenty One where

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of the first Wildlife Protection Amendment

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bill of Two Thousand Twenty One

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when the deduce and was it

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was a bigger a big or

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preplanned amendments to the law to

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break the job greed of I

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Love Protection Aca Many issues but

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it's curiously had a provision. To.

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Legalize Very permit.

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Sweden captain elephants commotion trading have to

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benefits. That was the first of all

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provision in the draft. Which was

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table in the parliament. A crudely she

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was futile and was sent to the

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bottom of the standing committee which at

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that time. On. In mine and climate

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change with that that have a shared by this

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Jairam Ramesh. Of which

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led a bike and consultation process

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across the country and and based

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on the recommendations of Striking watered

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down a provision was then inserted

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which became part of the. Of

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I Love Protection A member of those two thousand and twenty

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Two. Was. Basically sees that.

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I'm. Alison can be transferred

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from one private owner to another.

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As. Long as the transfer is

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not commercials and afford and

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the purpose for the transfer of

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ownership. Has to be

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either religious purpose. Which. Is

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a of our anger and and a

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second Baba's was among the idea which

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is defined as any other purpose so

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anything could be added to it. and

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go to the city the final

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a provision which then. I.

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Will be amenities As he said that

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the chances can happen under seven terms

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and conditions of the central government will

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announce. Said Two Thousand and

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Twenty one. We had a draft bill that

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said let allow commercial tree in two thousand

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when to be at a watered down a

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member of the finally bought that says

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only noncommercial transfers subject to certain conditions which

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the been enacted in Thousand and Twenty Four.

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Ah, By the rules that we

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have just been of you to

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see in March Oh Forty Miles

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Captain Elephant Transform Transform Shoes. Now

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is gonna curious are from my

4:21

point of view rights because atop

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the somebody who studies of the

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law on the ownership and treat

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of counter medicines of the illegality of

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on his you countries have captivated

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them to the country and then

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exploitation. I. Find this amendment

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very curious because he doesn't have

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you seen the new because of.

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A. Captive elephants were already allowed to be

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transferred from one private donors. one of the

4:44

private or no longer that john to was

4:46

for noncommercial. busy. So I

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mean there's a long kind of establish

4:51

legal history around this and as a

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photography briefly. But. What?

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I am. It's economy as you begin with. Actually, let

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me begin with that a little bit for you. To

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be a very simple practice in the country

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and it's a be problematic practice has been

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dabbling for the last thirty to forty years

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where. And. It's and see

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seen captivity. In. Temples

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in South India use for the

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put em in catalog or also

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elephants we see for example of

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and none the a made for

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the elephant rides in general he

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didn't see be concentrations of captain

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Elephant in the country outside the

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sphere the Potters departments. Which.

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Are all in private ownership? Even the elephants

5:30

in tempers of you, Look at the people.

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they belong to a private donors Allison said

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use a boot Belong to buy the donor

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elephants that I've read the Buddha where you'll

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be with them Belong to a private. Don't

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have. All. Of his innocence

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don't come from the pool of my

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the elephant in can allow are common

5:46

law do or com nautica. Almost.

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All these chapter benefits come from the

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northeast. So unsophisticated

5:53

fact. So elephants in private

5:56

ownership across India. Com.

5:58

From the northeast lies. That is

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this some animal husbandry practice in the

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north east where elephant a giving book

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after the elephant in captivity a giving

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birth to have a whole bunch of

6:09

captive by the friends with of in

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defending send everyone not at all. The

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Northeast has historically been. Ah,

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space. Where. I. Listened

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attentively captured from the while

6:21

as Jankowski and then screens.

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Into Systems of Captivity

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Daughters of System. And.

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The neither innocence isn't are treated

6:30

to a legal traders have traded for

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traders. In I was actually

6:34

done very openly up until or twenty

6:36

years ago at the song for me

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Law in Now Be Hard Which Rafol

6:41

which happens every year end of November.

6:43

Average. Is the biggest asset in

6:45

the country and of the entire have

6:48

teeth a hobby station. were happy. Forty

6:50

fifty elephants would be brought in for

6:52

sale. And as would come

6:55

from you know, South India? Or.

6:57

To buy these temple elif of elephants from.

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Three. Dozen beyond a new be would bought them

7:02

from elephant donors in the northeast and of the

7:04

other for to be taken to the to temple

7:06

than Canada. So.

7:08

This is a practice which has

7:10

continued. Neural. Net the

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up as late as the

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early two thousand. But.

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This practice was shut down. It

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was clause because in two thousand

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to. Buy Leopard they

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should act was amended to make. Me

7:26

commercial seat and captain elephants

7:28

illegal to banned it so

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what basically have forgotten doesn't

7:32

do is it all Edison

7:34

transfers continued. But. The became

7:37

noncommercial. So basically to give an

7:39

example. Or. Everybody was started.

7:41

Be forgiving the edifice to the other owner

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by friday reading a gift deep as a

7:45

standard kind of a format suit out a

7:47

gift Dnc I can take in the elephant

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anymore. I met the guy who was addicted

7:51

to be Elephants or gifting the the elephant

7:53

a the first of I'm transferring the ownership.

7:56

Of the elephants to this person and I was

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accepted. So a

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lot of activists conducted lot of investigations

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to my left fragment or doodle connected

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investigation and they all found that all

8:07

these non commercial farnsworth of elephants were

8:09

actually leading to was at is driven

8:12

that. Commercial. Treat Underground.

8:14

Because. Nobody was really happening over

8:17

developers. All. His elephant

8:19

had doors were actually commercial

8:21

transactions. So. By

8:23

stopping they can my surgery be just draw

8:26

the entire trip on the ground. And

8:28

a range of cases were filed in

8:30

supreme court in Hi Goals. Lot of

8:32

pressure and activism by activists with the

8:34

Hottest Apartments. And. Slowly in

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the I think you know in the

8:39

last six to eight years. We.

8:41

Saw. On. Was no

8:43

transferred of elephants, school, or private

8:45

donors to temples to. The

8:48

Elephant on as as was you should in Canada. As

8:51

a consequence of this you know at

8:53

least from two thousand seventeen a d

8:55

the number of captivated since for example

8:57

income but I'm allowed to in Kerala

8:59

have started to come down heavily. Because

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a bitch. That was a massive

9:06

demand from elephant or No Simple

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trust and especially the Budapest Committees.

9:11

To. Me allowed chances of elephants because this

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is the last hadn't been changed but

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because it was so many orders of

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the supreme court and the forest department

9:20

officers would receive a call them in

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cases by a fire in and high

9:24

go to the supreme court leaders decided

9:26

we don't want to permit any talks

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with enable it was ago the unspoken

9:30

agreement. So

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what does Two Thousand Twenty Two Amendment

9:34

does? And a community mental? In

9:37

basically V stinks the law. By.

9:39

Does and by doing that tells

9:42

the entire machinery of the Borders

9:44

department that we are read for

9:46

making. We're. Allowing the entire system

9:48

of elephant transferred again. Soon. Or

9:50

elephant maybe transferred once again for the

9:53

Northeast which is basically video since removed

9:55

from. Two people that he would

9:57

want elephants. So if go Jeff would. Get.

10:00

Along and the Tamil Nadu. But.

10:03

More than that, he sees that

10:05

Edison's can be transferred for any

10:07

other purpose knockoff would have any

10:09

other bothers me. So you know,

10:12

from the nineties on birth late

10:14

nineties onwards we have led a

10:16

radio incredible activism in a country.

10:19

And. Now in your mother was country

10:21

that has not a single circus

10:23

elephants. Is

10:25

no single. So this elephant in India. So.

10:27

What are the any other purpose mean?

10:30

Also consider the elephant again. Have

10:32

you been fighting So many cases were begging.

10:34

Elephants are not allowed. So for example for

10:36

you know restarted practice with people who take

10:38

an elephant from town to town to bake.

10:41

Oven for gonna start using at

10:43

as of back against that are

10:46

so many instances where in go

10:48

of it I live I lead

10:50

a case with that. but the

10:52

the great alma mater the my

10:54

loyal to a stop elephant rides

10:56

in the a single person god

10:58

been the and these pythons. Were.

11:00

Be thousand and twelve elephants will

11:02

be exploited. Very badly beaten and

11:04

then you know the overuse. Kept

11:06

to know. What want a water

11:08

on be all be were one hundred to

11:11

this one by one replant the elephant to

11:13

get a trunk but. Would. Have

11:15

any other purpose Me with that be allowed so

11:17

you know it. Isn't

11:19

a problematic amendment because what

11:21

it does it takes is

11:23

that it reminds the claw.

11:25

It's a grip progressive because

11:27

it's. And. Very cleverly done

11:29

because the government is like, you

11:31

know what, We haven't really changed

11:34

the law be restated the existing

11:36

league position, but by doing that

11:38

by doing that they have undermined

11:40

the games of animal activism of

11:42

the last twenty years where the

11:44

Photos Department and Potter's officers now

11:46

have been given a Philip. Go

11:49

ahead and allow these transfers because

11:51

none of these talks with can

11:53

happen without a jurisdictional post Office

11:55

A signing on the people. You.

11:58

Know And that's the thing, right? It's a. It's

12:00

limited or barbuda I'm in this so if

12:02

an elephant us moved from as sam to

12:04

be hard. For. The Forest offices of As

12:06

Sam and Beyond of the sign these documents. And

12:09

this is a t thing because everybody's

12:11

beyond I've you would you want to

12:14

transfer Obama to transform into the keeping

12:16

and what be successfully stopped was issuing

12:18

a be Shots Obamas. Because he

12:20

was be said is far too much illegality so

12:22

they're pretty strong swimmer should not be allowed. And.

12:26

Now this this amendment is just one. it's

12:28

can be allowed. That

12:30

to hear that to the they

12:32

can't be candid. thank you and

12:34

it as as he said this

12:36

is the fledgling backlit and intensive

12:38

from. Doing better than either

12:40

that a Dvd chances can happen. To

12:43

talk to us a little bit about

12:45

why the innocent illusion of Orion that

12:47

is A of all wild animals is

12:49

cheated in this manner by the weather

12:52

prediction that. Of many

12:54

interesting question then then he was Nicholas. Like all

12:56

of this I gotta the cats and the for

12:58

the exception of indian. A. Wildlife

13:00

Law. Because.

13:03

Be. Protect the elephants with the

13:05

highest protection in law can offer.

13:08

At the same time we allow

13:11

a class of innocence and the

13:13

only daughter wild animals. Though

13:15

no other I by the animal is allowed to

13:17

be treated like that to be. Privately.

13:20

Owned three days commercially use and

13:23

exploited. Sort of very bizarre

13:25

exception. Limits on briefly for you.

13:27

Why? I think it happens.

13:29

It happens because. Ah,

13:31

United Seventy two when the By the Protection

13:33

act with the matters you by the for

13:35

the she lacks in in paper with exceeded

13:38

progressive more bit had problems is is still

13:40

have any problems you know all your the

13:42

a beauty lies to you bob and get

13:44

better with the By the for their snacks

13:46

with a progressive noise band Hunting is protected

13:48

animals wild animals in their natural habitat. Said

13:51

some level that it's all it's

13:53

recognize their relative, the advice or

13:56

of freedom and autonomy and free

13:58

movement. And be with. And

14:00

all these animals, you know? The

14:03

most interesting thing is. But. In Nineteen

14:05

Fifty Two. The. By little they

14:07

should act. did not protect the elephant as

14:09

a should use one at a book. So.

14:13

He predicted the elephant as a should

14:15

you do Annabelle. As he

14:17

can eat a sudden definition of

14:19

captive Edison's in the act and

14:22

call it the find. Captive elephants

14:24

as cattle. Will.

14:26

You be interesting but very soon within

14:28

ten to fifteen years all of this

14:30

was change and the elephant was protected

14:32

as a species Elephas Maximus move to

14:35

the city will one and the cattle

14:37

category was removed. Okay the reason why

14:39

all of this was done is good.

14:41

I think that every do with a

14:43

an act of the law they were

14:45

like okay you know what. We.

14:48

Want to protect all elephants or three animals

14:50

were so many other kids are already in

14:52

captivity in India on a private ownership is

14:54

no distorted practice to this find a way

14:57

to. Continue. And

14:59

a regular basis but

15:01

also prevent. New. Edison's

15:03

coming into captivity to that is a

15:05

gentle cannavale. We should The Law The

15:07

law is gently Been Trying to say

15:09

less. the cottage new and from coming

15:12

into captivity or because I call the

15:14

juice and by like on the businesses

15:16

by the scholars and scientists have been

15:18

arguing for very long time but elephants

15:20

just don't do well in captivity is

15:22

a good point because the elephant I

15:24

had to be wild animals have never

15:26

been domesticated. Even in

15:28

captivity, they're wild animals just because they're in

15:30

captivity, and they learn even if a few.

15:33

Form a bond with you or they listen

15:35

to the command of the manhole to whatever

15:37

system of i don't violate the law based

15:39

training I don't know, I'm siding was the

15:41

training of violence. He. Does not taken

15:44

with a fast. The elephant of the

15:46

my lot of it's not a domestic

15:48

animals. very very important to understand the

15:50

distinction to the law. I struggled with

15:52

this binary duality because the law wants

15:54

to had one level protect the elephant

15:56

as as should, use one animals as

15:59

a species as another level the laws.

16:01

Trying to fight other governments and find

16:03

a compromise between this huge massive god

16:05

showed him on in India to have

16:07

elephants in captivity for religious and cultural

16:09

reasons. And the fact

16:11

that somebody elses are already in

16:14

captivity and that people on them

16:16

and of. To this is

16:18

a complicated kind of it also through

16:20

which the exception of continued and continued

16:22

and continued and continue to continue. The

16:25

money sense to the debate eyes

16:27

that in the last night. and

16:29

seventy two, two, two thousand, two,

16:31

over fifty years. The. Law

16:33

was. Amended gradually

16:36

to discourage captive ownership,

16:38

captive trade, Okay, But.

16:41

This current amendment. That's.

16:43

What has got an amendment as but

16:46

wedding because it's sort of receives a

16:48

legal position and allows it see To

16:50

me see. Let maintain the

16:52

status school and let's make us to

16:54

discuss song. Go and let people get

16:56

elephants. Warner's other orders Now listen to

16:58

the Point Nine so that the government

17:00

says. If anybody has

17:03

a captive elephant gun, Pete Carroll.

17:05

That person can give the captive elephant to somebody

17:07

else who can speak at of the elephant. Okay,

17:10

Now. You may ask me, why am I wondered about

17:13

that? He does a good thing by somebody can

17:15

generally not take and of the elephant. let the

17:17

as and go to somebody who can think of

17:19

the elephant know this is a myth The beta.

17:21

Because. Somebody

17:23

is the Innocent is seen

17:26

as tradable commodity. It

17:28

has historically been seen the tradable

17:30

commodity. It was a tradable commodity

17:32

by the Forest Department for example,

17:34

up until the upper eighties and

17:36

nineties for his department's through T.

17:38

Sword. Routinely. Sword Forrest

17:40

Gump elephants to a priceless

17:42

the former colonial system. To.

17:45

Tempers to private donors, it was always than

17:47

of the revenue model. So.

17:50

Because. The elephant is seen

17:52

as a commodity because private ownership of

17:54

the elephant is to legally allowed. Just

17:58

by seeing the Viet allowing and. To

18:00

be transferred as a non commercial transfer

18:02

Newcomers to transfer doesn't do enough because.

18:04

The. Elephant will always be treated.

18:07

You. Know they will find different of doing it because will

18:09

be been same. Sort. of problematic

18:11

thing because to the one thing is

18:13

the elephant will be treated the second

18:15

thing is. The. Law, not the

18:17

these two thousand twenty four roses have been

18:19

enacted. Because I think the government. Actually, it's

18:22

interesting. The government is actually once again, try

18:24

to. Find a fine

18:26

balance between a lot of the

18:28

demands that activist or making and

18:30

co and pushing the government the

18:32

same time. Ah, You

18:34

know are lobbying by the elephant owner

18:37

lobbies and the religious and cultural lobbies.

18:39

To the government's at the compromise the government

18:42

is made in the lose or the following.

18:45

The government says to it's eating disease

18:47

that. Only. As a

18:49

sense that that in private ownership

18:51

today. Was. On the D

18:53

that was given to for that is Fourteen

18:55

March Two Thousand Twenty Four. Only. Those

18:58

elephants must be allowed to be

19:00

transferred. That. Means no

19:02

new elephant. Condemn it. Okay,

19:05

Alice and Elephant is born in captivity.

19:07

For. Gifts but Edison's it's have any the

19:09

early born in captivity, the redevelop an

19:11

elephant been born in captivity and surviving

19:13

to have a healthy adults live with

19:16

very very low soul oz and a

19:18

government recognizes that which is why they

19:20

want out the want to make sure

19:22

that the elephants that have transferred are

19:24

eligible for trans for a limited to

19:26

the cutoff a what of elephants we

19:28

have to be. That

19:30

is exactly what the lucy was. Seventy

19:32

two similar position. But.

19:34

There's a problem. He has a better. You don't

19:36

have a list of how many elephant saddened by the

19:38

captivity? We have no idea. We

19:41

have the it is a completely dark

19:43

gray area. Ah let me give you

19:45

an example in Two thousand and Fourteen

19:47

a banjo based organization called the by

19:49

my best to the have a disincentive.

19:52

Size. Of repetition of the supreme

19:54

court asking for improve welfare of chapter

19:56

benefits impreza. Lot of these points and

19:58

one of the thing. The off the

20:00

supreme court was. you give us it

20:03

clear statistic of how many elephants what

20:05

they're coming off. As a bimbo good

20:07

about his father's the give us a

20:09

clear people are a figo and a

20:11

list of how many else without in

20:13

captivity in the country. The

20:15

supreme court kept asking them to the

20:18

she reminded of an Amazon Forest Reserve

20:20

data and finally called. Got frustrated and

20:22

a goal directed and ministry. To.

20:24

Conduct. And. Images Sowerby on

20:27

a census. So within three months

20:29

the It or Adidas census was

20:31

done. And. The.

20:33

Garden Limited. She filed an affidavit to be

20:36

would go. There are two thousand, six hundred

20:38

and seventy five. Elephants

20:40

captivity the country out of was eighteen

20:42

hundreds of a private orders okay as

20:44

state by state of is given. With.

20:48

This is in December. Two Thousand and eighteen. Jennifer

20:50

The Ninety. The.

20:52

Most problematic state where elephants illegality well

20:54

of and for captured an owner should

20:57

begin to that are not publish. The

21:00

Forest department of utter nonsense refused to

21:02

cooperate with the ministry remembered for us

21:05

so much so that the Emily if

21:07

it is affidavit to the supreme court.

21:10

Expressing his frustration is say that we

21:12

would be late and submitting this data

21:14

because are not just did not give

21:16

us a response. So

21:18

finally often loss of pushing the

21:20

other not just Athena natural. Gifts.

21:23

The Emily if only of figure

21:25

it is via Hundred and Need

21:27

Elephants know list know name's not

21:29

microchips More information who the owners

21:31

of. Okay so and that is

21:33

added to the to to figure out to Six

21:36

seven Five Have you ever about one hundred and

21:38

eating? Lose that. In

21:40

the last three years, two

21:43

years. From. Fifty as

21:45

a sense of out an option have

21:47

been transferred to John the Ghosts and

21:49

this has been regarded by many activists,

21:51

particularly by a journalist. a not outer

21:53

national for these are the editor of

21:55

are nicer guy and strong and be

21:57

nice from the story thing or two.

22:00

The edited The Gondola thirty two

22:02

three years. From. Out of

22:04

Nasa's to this gianluca the one bottom

22:06

center as rescues. And

22:08

recently in a case that's happening in

22:11

the A Sam Hi thought. Out

22:13

innocent with these has filed a fresh ah

22:15

Sir David after lot of pressure. And

22:18

they have given us assessed Mr. Coveney elephants

22:20

They have. To

22:22

get hundred and eighty Two thousand, Ninety. Two.

22:25

Feet A give away, the last three years you've done

22:27

a good. They. Should have sixty seventy elephants

22:29

connect. With given to loosing

22:32

their hundred and forty elephants to. Get.

22:36

Into the continuing to kept citizens from.

22:38

The landed in show them as captive. Absolutely

22:41

Absolutely. This is because this has been

22:43

the historic practice For example, to prevent

22:45

exactly this, the Ministry of and Live

22:48

In far as in Two Thousand Eighth

22:50

issued the Project Elephant Guidelines are Two

22:52

Thousand Eight a guideline specifically said. That

22:55

is. Of an elephant or nine

22:57

a village tells the forest department admitted many

22:59

them as your hobby had it was good

23:01

at boosting butterbur that yet the my my

23:03

at my hobby is given birth to a

23:05

baby. The. Forest Department is

23:08

required to conducted been in

23:10

edification. That. The child the calf

23:12

born actually is a as much as much

23:14

on Adidas with a mother that is in

23:16

possession of dog owners to make sure that

23:19

the fast was not got from the light.

23:21

Okay, This is a two

23:24

thousand a mandate. That is not a

23:26

single the and profile of any other than that it

23:28

ever been done. To. Two Thousand

23:30

Twenty Four. Lose. That's a second check

23:32

and balance the government is putting. The

23:34

government has said that all elephants must

23:37

be genetically match. Okay,

23:40

It's great. It is a by saying that

23:42

of the first condition was that every other

23:44

for to be in ownership today. The second

23:47

condition isn't a huge genetically maps. By.

23:49

Doing that, the government is

23:51

recognizing. It's. Recognizing that

23:53

is a lot of illegal capture

23:56

and the leaders free and regular

23:58

Ization. Of illegal captain of. You

24:00

treat. You know, The.

24:03

Once again me and it into the

24:05

ministry. And be a said, you don't

24:07

be recognized as you're trying to strike

24:09

a balance, right? Because. We. Do

24:11

have a cultural them on ruggedly that the

24:13

completely forget it and that all you gotta

24:15

from captivity. But. You

24:18

can't commit transferred onto the unless

24:20

we have a list of find

24:22

a database or how many elephants

24:24

are that? Otherwise. Known

24:27

as well. Good athlete. You. Know

24:29

even just this, elephants and give up

24:31

getting from places and frankly kill him.

24:34

As Indians, we have mastered the art

24:36

of fudging illegal babe documentation. So you

24:38

know wow, I'm not. I won't be

24:40

supply that somebody with a creatively come

24:43

up with a system of fudging janitors

24:45

to gossip. About

24:48

anything to file a little bit more you

24:50

said it was brought in as a safeguard

24:52

measure to ensure that find innocence and are

24:55

captured and then soon as born in captivity.

24:57

What is happening with this data the is

24:59

A that has to be treated as well

25:01

as and seat of India has it progress

25:04

at all. So. It

25:06

has been conducted by scientists starting to the

25:08

someone both at the my limited you'd have

25:10

India. I'm very we're very happy that it's

25:13

happening is much needed. It's been

25:15

a longstanding demands. Of the

25:17

wider community, the country. And

25:19

I've been told of. I just try

25:22

to milan of information from everywhere I've

25:24

been told. that Dub. It's. Pretty

25:26

interesting because apparently the by the first

25:28

speech than than projection mapping it out

25:30

imagine in a Sam. On.

25:32

Us and most of the Sam administered and

25:35

also that and Kettler. This.

25:37

It I think it is a C

25:39

three step process. The first step is

25:41

collection of the sample. The second step

25:43

is creating a genetic profile which is

25:45

done in a lab and in the

25:47

at that the B, I and in

25:49

the third step is including a consolidated

25:51

database. To would be saying

25:54

is don't release. Boss.

25:56

Data. Is yet to me

25:58

that because if you want to control. Read: Are

26:00

you what if you want to control

26:02

the potential of illegality. In

26:04

A in a regulated trade. You.

26:07

Must first have a finite lists upon the elephants

26:09

are gonna be transferred. So we'll see.

26:12

Please. Don't allow. Any.

26:14

Chance was to happen under the new rules

26:16

to get a full list of all the

26:18

elephants because. Apparently he could

26:20

be some time because it's a very

26:22

slow process and we only have one

26:25

knob facility which does the genetic profiling

26:27

and I think that close to two

26:29

thousand, five hundred and if is left

26:31

to complete. So I'm. Of

26:33

we have no timeline be have no

26:35

idea what's happening. We don't have a

26:37

status report which or should be public

26:39

because in the end it's a should

26:41

you know on protective animal An odd

26:43

because demand is that initially of public

26:45

in public database on the emily of

26:47

besides everyone should be able to see

26:49

how many elephants in private ownership or

26:51

in the country today who would have

26:53

they belong to and what is the

26:55

genetic profile. And if their tos

26:57

photon one on into another, that's the updated all

26:59

the time so we should know that we should

27:01

be able to track. Now

27:04

know that a little I looked like

27:06

he was speaking about earlier than you

27:09

said that the one of the earth

27:11

criteria of these do is that. Edison

27:14

can only determines that if the owner

27:16

feel that they're not, it is adequately

27:18

care for them and the other and

27:20

they're going to class with when owner

27:22

who can jeopardize the what is what

27:24

is the I'm how I'd read that

27:26

this wasn't the what should the political

27:28

ideally be for this house is captain

27:30

Elephants be maintained do the forest chance

27:32

that instance the Tamil Nadu fanatic on

27:34

the same rounds are they good environment

27:36

for kept his innocence and let go

27:38

back a little bit to what you

27:40

also said about and it's instinct has

27:42

said from the northeast region. That that

27:44

is that an ideal society or it's

27:47

been in the midst of controversy recently.

27:49

Is it not an ideal facility? Soon

27:52

as I got this, a couple of

27:54

points you're the first is the by

27:57

like amendment act of two Thousand and

27:59

twenty two. The bars which among

28:01

other things permitted we see to

28:03

the legal legal position of elephant

28:05

transfers. Also.

28:07

For the first time has a

28:10

provision. For. Said end of an

28:12

elephant. Okay, So

28:14

for example the last say that if

28:16

I if if a private owner cannot

28:18

take care of be an effect. I.

28:21

Can sit in the the elephant back to

28:23

the photos department and the ownership certificate can

28:25

be concept. To my first

28:27

question is. If people are

28:30

cancelling Alice's because they can take care

28:32

of the elephants, By. Want to sit

28:34

under the editor to the fire department? You

28:36

see why aren't the cylinder the element of the

28:38

police department? Why must you be a little to

28:40

private? Gonna have another brother Donna. To

28:43

the first problematic issues your

28:45

this the relationship the law

28:48

has created and continue to

28:50

colonial times off. Track

28:52

captivated since and private up the

28:55

possibility of ownership private ownership of

28:57

got to but the fact that

28:59

people see an elephant is private

29:02

property. The. As the

29:04

the unwilling to, they're not willing to surrender them.

29:07

So the would much rather make some money out of it

29:09

and trade the elephant. As. The flag to

29:11

this option as be created. most people

29:13

will not surrender the other from best

29:15

best was issue my position within the

29:17

ideas an activist. Every. Doctor benefit

29:20

to be surrendered to or. But.

29:22

As you facility Okay Adidas you facilities

29:24

to be many times and we need

29:26

all of that. We desperately need all

29:28

of them. Okay because a lot of

29:30

captivity is not suited for elephants elephants

29:33

suffered in captivity the as mistreated get

29:35

beaten the of tortured the I mean

29:37

you know that the entire system of

29:39

captivity to bigger for the to be

29:41

adam animal and you know that so

29:44

you don't have you seen this a

29:46

million times hotter been cases so yes

29:48

everyone has entered want us to center.

29:51

Now did is a jeep of how captive

29:53

elephant must be rescued or a we have

29:55

defeated The country's been designed by ministry. The

29:58

mountain forests in the center's without it. The

30:00

but that a lot of work on it. So.

30:02

That have to separate the jeeps. One.

30:05

Of his regime, the godfather stamps with

30:07

their fathers camp elephants are kept. I'm

30:09

sitting in his the Gb to the

30:11

Elephant Rescue Center or elephant care facility.

30:14

but elephants did have been mistreated in

30:16

captivity and private ownership. Group

30:18

of bidding different experience of light. At.

30:21

Have been obese and why and for very

30:23

long time have to be rehabilitated. The

30:25

latter. The elephants. a good elephant

30:28

care facilities specifically designed for captive

30:30

elephants require a lot more care

30:32

and attention. And. Because

30:34

of. The. Father Scab Elephants

30:36

are often Ellison said I captured

30:39

from the wild because you would

30:41

elephant conflict or golf's of of

30:43

would often and stuff like that

30:46

and big switch training process to

30:48

become fodder scab elephants They do

30:50

patrolling duties be a useful. Sometimes.

30:54

Fall to me to gives you an

30:56

elephant conflict that trained as cookies with

30:58

you have any violence training method by

31:00

the me. And it also trained

31:02

for to the site. So.

31:06

Has been a long world that has been done

31:08

on. Know that it is believed that. Are

31:10

restroom facilities for policy or captive

31:12

elephants must be specially designed specially

31:15

are dedicated was you seismically are

31:17

different from the ones that B

31:19

C his father's campus. with these.

31:22

Having. Said that. All.

31:25

Elephant. The best facilities must be in

31:27

the natural habitats of the elephants. There's

31:29

no doubt about that. Okay

31:31

because we're not. In the end we want

31:34

the elephant to be in it's natural habitat.

31:36

He won the elephant even if it if

31:38

the Gap development has been rehabilitated to be

31:40

able to go back and forwards and walk

31:42

in the wire than you know find a

31:44

hard and hang out with a have no

31:46

do all the national teams with the elephant

31:48

in captivity. Just wanted to. Having

31:51

said that, The. Reality of

31:53

us as version of our country is that

31:56

the only have. One

31:58

two Threes. All. My

32:02

aim dedicated Captive elephant justice than it

32:04

is in the country. Let me give

32:06

you the names we have: Bob. Where.

32:08

The oldest facilities is our the of I

32:11

live as was facility that to centers one

32:13

in Batman the other one is in a

32:15

piano. And. Door and I've never

32:17

been to it, only heard great things about his

32:19

on the orders Facilities run by a cottage at

32:21

the the Line of the Be Committed and that

32:23

was and an infamous your. And.

32:25

I'm sure you know Six sixteen expensive.

32:27

it has to challenges and they do

32:29

their best. And I've sort of.

32:32

For what are you from lot of people, it's a full

32:34

capacity all the time. And

32:36

then that is a fantastic new facility

32:38

that the Canada prefers about to set

32:40

up in out Otterbein Know. Of

32:43

It's has rescued a lot of

32:45

temporal elephants from Connecticut. And

32:47

go again. It's a full capacity.

32:50

We have of a facility that I've

32:53

seen in the about polyamory outset of

32:55

to Cheat. By. The dominant upon

32:57

Us Department A dedicated facilities have captivated.

32:59

Funds were rescued from temples different from

33:01

all the fans can facilitate them. A

33:03

lot of. Once. Again, it's always

33:05

it. Overcapacity ended aug struggling. For example, I

33:07

have a piece I find in the The.high

33:09

court for an elephant to be rescued, a

33:12

rehabilitated and I know that. That.

33:14

Innocent is not gonna go right now because

33:16

of pasta but doesn't ask me for her.

33:19

Soul in such a situation

33:21

the been thought of Facility

33:23

John Nigger is. In

33:25

all, it's a huge facility, it has lots

33:28

of captivated fan speed City excellent get her

33:30

captor by the for that was gone and

33:32

seen. At even though I'm

33:34

deeply disturbed by the fact that the have taken

33:37

so many additives the northeast who did not need

33:39

rescuing or thing. So. You

33:41

know because been been.on his

33:44

car is as space for.

33:46

Taking. More elephants were rescue.

33:50

Elephant Activism The Ground. Your.

33:52

Because they are no no as to send an

33:54

elephant. We're really happy to send

33:56

the elephant or facility that can take good care of

33:58

them because the antithesis awfully. What

34:00

in an ideal situation? It.

34:03

Would be fantastic if organizations like

34:05

The Delights Foundation won't support Us

34:07

Department of the country and upgrades

34:09

so many for the scam facilities

34:11

to create value. dedicated gap developer

34:13

facilities for them because for example

34:16

recently to Elephants of Is Gone

34:18

in Calcutta an elephant in his

34:20

content wouldn't have sort of academics

34:22

been god. Killed. His

34:24

manhood about Temple Trust got really

34:26

scared. And. The and

34:28

the elephant had really have the in

34:30

somewhere know the elephant or be sent

34:33

from best and god was younger. And.

34:35

The boil Animal Protection as wouldn't have

34:37

any interest in statement saying that why

34:40

can't we used as an opportunity to

34:42

work with the best golfers department to

34:44

create a dedicated facility for the benefit

34:46

in this bundle. It need not be

34:48

a father step. okay I'll be at

34:50

minutes he was given. I agree with

34:52

it but let's work with the department.

34:54

The need a new President Bashar new

34:56

facility start mean the canonical fertility started

34:58

because to elephants rescued by an organization

35:00

and interest of us by most of

35:02

the founders. Nice. The a

35:04

matter of us would have you started because cottage industry

35:06

to manufactured to support As one to think on this.

35:09

Or that I was out of of the

35:11

video started because that department for citing the

35:13

have to do that you know be must

35:16

create more facilities in natural habitats. As

35:18

to I'm not saying ended against one.are I mean

35:20

you know did nothing as bad publicity get it

35:23

is one that i which is fine and that

35:25

it actually get of elephants for I would like

35:27

to see more as you facilities ideally in. A

35:30

Not Natural habitats of elephants. And

35:34

actually to quit questions. One

35:37

is that. Do you think that. The.

35:41

The provisions in the noodles because. To

35:43

the has to tell us that capitalism

35:45

can now the only ship canal be

35:47

translated. Elitist or any other that

35:49

is going to the ignite oldest

35:52

with illegal cheating. Medley fifty had

35:54

been defeated, managed to submit to

35:56

stop. So. For example,

35:58

I'll tell you, ah, Haha In the

36:00

curious you know in two thousand and

36:03

eleven of by like trying to control

36:05

your officer from the office in Calcutta

36:07

cultural bridge of head up. Went

36:10

on it or department mission to do it

36:12

in Mr Gibson of illegal trade of innocence

36:14

so he go that box and says in

36:16

the district of them sigh and and party

36:18

god in other actual. Men: Are thought

36:21

to sleep. Lot of elephants are

36:23

kept at. A news for the belonging. And

36:25

he discovered that Sophie elephants.

36:28

Are being issued ownership certificates to

36:31

as as didn't. Have

36:33

bossy got a nun Psychology of

36:35

cushy. Okay, so

36:37

what is my yeah? Listening to

36:39

some mad. Doing sitting

36:42

in the knee hottest of unnatural, showing

36:44

himself of investment of the minutes and

36:46

putting on a subset of the gets

36:48

of the the elephant who has been

36:50

finding themselves the New Jersey to the.adam

36:52

Carolla. So that

36:54

illegal trade of captive elephants has

36:56

is deeply entrenched by a network

36:59

of traders. And because the demand

37:01

for the elephant is so high,

37:03

you don't be a see. So

37:05

many reports from catalogue from the

37:08

put on comedies I have documented

37:10

Zubaydah, hundred and sixty elephant deaths.

37:13

Of would. Have elephant use of would

37:15

have hundred and sixty on the front desk.

37:17

from two thousand and eighteen to thirty we

37:19

have a name by nameless. Between the elephant

37:21

died. With with with evidence. Most.

37:24

Of the that doesn't have died at a

37:26

young age of forty and fifty thirty or

37:28

because of torture. And.

37:31

Of but also just means that the number of

37:33

pool of elephants use for the put on has

37:35

come down heavily. So. There's a

37:37

massive demand that up with a figure

37:39

that's been floating around. the the Elephant

37:41

on Association is raising money. And.

37:43

This and openly or policing we

37:46

have raised money to buy hundred

37:48

elephants fab the Northeast. with

37:51

his noodles audible defending the the that a

37:53

hundred coming from three all to a gift

37:55

anonymous of the opening saying it. So.

37:59

I have no. Bad.

38:01

Dog delicate balance you the

38:03

ministry tried to strike. Between

38:06

meeting a culture demand and not

38:08

going beyond the remnants. Of

38:10

the by law protection mack and thinking that

38:12

because if you protect the elephants. By.

38:15

Creating a bit of away with these

38:17

restrictions of Jenny Testing. And

38:19

make sure there are no commercial transfers.

38:22

You. Know things are not be so bad.

38:24

Monologue: Vivid Game The system the a master

38:26

that it's the infantry those out of his

38:28

game. The system. Is

38:31

the other three Spend a lot of time

38:33

talking about how these amendments a could put

38:35

a you know of a hat hat or

38:38

now a loving of the state of kept

38:40

of elephants Again And do you think and

38:42

do our activists concerned that all of the

38:44

illegal network that the stopped for the sea

38:47

is a couldn't really can again. Soon

38:50

as with I'm going to try and

38:52

keep a short distance A yes or

38:55

as the answer doesn't have as in

38:57

the affirmative Bad the A Big A

38:59

Big Yes. We're very concerned that the

39:02

illegal networks of elephants on. Part.

39:04

Of the tree of captured and

39:06

treat of elephants would be reactivated

39:08

are living Give you the quick

39:10

example in two Thousand Ninety Two

39:12

Thousand Twenty Ah the catalyst for

39:14

his department based on many complaints.

39:17

Reduce. I actually want

39:19

to have would have any seamless elephant

39:21

daughter of can block of cheese shadier

39:23

even you tube video Any basically you

39:25

know what does it add a fleet.of

39:27

to adopt about how he can he

39:29

has so many other sensitive anybody want

39:32

the menace of get all the data

39:34

that offended you know why are people

39:36

think that an elephant as Sonia in

39:38

my backyard So he basically. Of

39:40

got added a real for you

39:43

to interview and lead to a

39:45

massive lead by the California Department

39:47

of of his of Land and

39:49

properties with one many elephants tied

39:51

up in his backyard. Humanists Gandhi

39:53

and it was a six months

39:55

she's up to excuse as he

39:57

was found in right in the

39:59

at the beginning. Cool withdrawn March

40:01

Two thousand Twenty two hiding in

40:03

New Bombay of a kevlar to

40:06

New Bombay and you Tcg with

40:08

a chilling reminder put us that

40:10

is why we don't kill or

40:12

see so much about Illegal Elephant

40:14

Three, It still happens. It's super

40:16

underground and Co and the defender

40:18

and the supply the mind equations

40:20

are still very much alive. So.

40:24

Ah cod is that. And.

40:26

The other goofy have why illegal led

40:28

to the trade Will begin is that.

40:31

I. Personally believe: I personally

40:33

believe that the or

40:35

the. Though. Two Thousand Twenty

40:37

Two amendment to the extended It V

40:40

Permits or transfer the medicines and these

40:42

two thousand pray for rules of. Are

40:45

a product of in massive lobbying by

40:47

the Catalyst for Don't as association with

40:49

the ministry of in modern far as

40:51

we have lobbied for very long time

40:53

of the ministry to read on the

40:55

telephone transfers because of. As a

40:57

you know, because they're They're frustrated elephant are

40:59

not coming. So. Of.

41:03

Know. The thing is the minute you

41:05

start something like this. As I said,

41:07

the scenes of Hands of the Elephant

41:09

will always be commercial and because commercial

41:12

transactions and I'll be allowed in law

41:14

be legal and under the under other

41:16

hand underhanded was also means that would

41:18

be no regulation or elephant pricey. I

41:21

love seeing the city in United Transfer

41:23

of Elephants in a commercial manner idol

41:25

but all are going to sees that

41:27

I'm. Sure, there's so many

41:30

of the problems of this business

41:32

of of a process because. He.

41:34

Does use it as a supply of it are

41:36

only that isn't available. So. To

41:38

animal husbandry that only that as as

41:40

a captive born that they are legally

41:43

acquired in the first place because the

41:45

demands of the elephant are so high

41:47

because people are willing to be so

41:49

much money for the elephants because in

41:51

catalyst for the food on. The.

41:53

Other for event an elephant lead detective critically

41:55

damaged and the news and of was six

41:57

lacks a day. So. You know,

42:00

It's a lot of money to be

42:02

made is a it's a multi billion

42:04

dollar industry of would you not and

42:06

of so. Of yes people

42:08

will be a lot of money to

42:11

be elephants. People in one a lot

42:13

of elephants people who want a particular

42:15

kind of medicine bidding bottom they don't

42:17

one don't have any elephants they want

42:19

Edison's the look of illegal out dollar

42:21

off exhausts sun basket of an elephant

42:23

will be a look for in the

42:25

vital that we look for an elephant

42:27

that meet these characteristics and catch it

42:30

is. So yes all of these ecosystems

42:32

been come back to life. Let.

42:34

Me give you an example. In said last

42:36

year I went to Sm. With

42:38

a journalist for an investigation and I

42:41

interviewed ah an elephant gatchell and be

42:43

more deep in a moron Village was

42:45

a moron. Try. And

42:48

heat I asked him a question, I

42:50

said are you hearing of more and

42:52

more people asking you for new elephants

42:54

and he told me he said. The

42:56

law has been changed and seventy

42:58

lots of people and gabi to

43:00

be same. Get ready, keep a

43:03

supply that if is reading the

43:05

one you elephants saw this so.

43:09

The illegal capsule, Illegal training,

43:11

Illegal trade. Of

43:13

Allison's miss really do that to mentors

43:15

exploitation and as you know when sentinel

43:17

for comes to private ownership. And.

43:19

Comes in the hands of private donors in the south

43:21

of and I made in the north or them be

43:23

hard. It's a it's an

43:26

advantage for lice. Them that

43:28

is for life you elephants on

43:30

because the the tradable commodity. The

43:32

idea is. The. Rule of

43:34

thumb ruling that if it on a the

43:36

elephant speak for itself. This is

43:38

the other than problematic idea that is no duty

43:41

of care. So. The Elephant on as believe

43:43

the elephant costs so much money he has to

43:45

work for his keep. So. Look

43:48

at us now. This but does die bali

43:50

kind of system you created. So

43:52

these elephant donors from the noughties the same

43:54

be counted can be edison soviet giving the

43:56

at a for somebody be taken of the

43:58

elephant. That wasn't. Otherwise

44:00

the elephant into or you know what elephant

44:02

of upkeep is very expensive. For. Me

44:05

to have to be elephant the elephant

44:07

us to work. It has worked for

44:09

its money for food so the end

44:12

of it would be made to work.

44:14

So basically this is that says in

44:16

many ways this delicate balance to the

44:18

status trying to strike according to me

44:21

is it impossible balance by the strike?

44:23

It's just impossible because Edison captivity is

44:25

so deeply entrenched with culture but also

44:28

a commercial ah for the fog of

44:30

value attached to a both the price

44:32

of the elephant of the. Use

44:35

of the elephant so it's

44:37

a very complicated get a

44:39

marriage between called sure for

44:41

private owners or plywood long

44:43

ownership. And. Commercial exploitation. So

44:45

and all the seatings work in

44:47

tandem. To. Create the

44:50

problem that be seen as in captivity

44:52

because not gonna go away with this

44:54

amendment. it's only going to become much

44:56

worse. So.

44:58

Quickly to Alaska in alert.

45:01

What do you think the what

45:03

do you think of a future

45:05

that needs to look like one

45:07

As you pointed out is that

45:09

is a huge cause the mindful

45:11

and doesn't do we need to

45:13

perhaps movie summer situation that he

45:15

demanded listen for a delicious bruises

45:18

and second is that. How.

45:20

What do we finally do with get the

45:22

benefit as you to less than a private

45:24

and government land facilities that Etti habitation that

45:27

is there any possibility of their didn't realize

45:29

that again has this been attempted any when

45:31

hazard work. Ah,

45:33

once again requests Isabella of he loves.

45:36

My first point is that for a.

45:39

Couple of quick points. the first one

45:41

I want to make use that as

45:43

activists we have to have a very

45:45

clear or demand and have any clear

45:47

united moyes of beauty to think to

45:49

a lot of things. We can't attack

45:51

culture, Okay, Is been trying

45:53

to dissuade. It doesn't work.

45:56

It is counterproductive. We must understand

45:58

the become from and. The

46:00

be religious culture society and

46:02

we have to find a

46:04

language that celebrates culture and

46:06

and gotta do culture to

46:08

transform itself. So instead of

46:10

what the law and done I've aggressive

46:12

step. We. Need a consummate of

46:15

whoop a transmitter potentially transformative

46:17

movement that sees let's celebrate

46:19

culture. When. We get compassionate so

46:21

let's not soon as I the amusing

46:23

live elephants we need to gonna bring

46:25

out a conversation that disrupted not happen

46:27

and is already happening. Rights to the

46:29

most amazing thing is come from satellites

46:32

have. Some. Engineering from Kettler

46:34

Engineers. A group of four friends

46:36

in Canada okay, one Hindu, Muslim.

46:39

but this is a fantastic story

46:41

come together and the other day

46:44

they they've created. The. First a

46:46

set of robotic elephant and kevlar that incredible

46:48

the for somebody elephant gift to do a

46:50

temple and gather love to have about what

46:52

is seen by of a progressive priest i

46:55

was there are set to shoot a last

46:57

Year by Peter. And. And

46:59

I saw in the entire village Gatto

47:01

with amazement. Nobody was disappointed, they were

47:03

excited. The kids my side of the

47:05

elephant removing it stay in the eyes

47:08

were moving Expensive trying to swing water

47:10

it would carry the weight of people

47:12

was fantastic to get a full meal

47:14

I'm in a full put a profession

47:16

that elephant mouth for such elephants have

47:18

been gifted. Been in Bangalore, one in

47:20

Tamil Nadu a second but in kettler.

47:23

And. More and more samples. Want

47:25

robotic elephants? Bit as a huge

47:27

huge active media campaign against about

47:29

together funds by the get man

47:32

for don't as association and it's

47:34

really unfortunate. I would like to

47:36

see the A situations the state tend to.

47:38

The. States Simply that wrote, the state should

47:41

create a committee. Put the

47:43

elephant donors. Activists and

47:45

post festival comedies My

47:47

Life Experts bet name's

47:49

Together. Sit. Together and find

47:51

a solution. But. Did have

47:54

gone to season out, eventually season

47:56

out of using of life elephants.

47:59

Again, My mainly because

48:01

nothing as human day. How

48:04

many I have documented? Just some this

48:06

year's food on that started in October

48:08

last year me and my team undocumented

48:11

a was sixteen incidents where elephant of

48:13

run amok across Canada and many mouths

48:15

have got severely injured fatally injured some

48:18

of that he died. Is

48:20

that a dangerous as my first

48:22

points of view transformation to Godzilla

48:24

to technology. The. Second

48:26

point is. That

48:29

what you're right He said was, i don't have

48:31

a bought a dancer for what do you do

48:33

with so many elephants in captivity? I mean, you

48:35

know, Even. If you add have been

48:37

better we have another two thousand and elephant the

48:39

need to be rescued I knew better the gonna

48:41

go. To be already had

48:44

this problem. Be. Already a sitting

48:46

on this problem if we don't know what

48:48

to do. With. These two

48:50

thousand elephants. Let me give an example.

48:52

The cat an elephant Order this. What

48:54

the rules of the two thousand and

48:57

Twelve Kevlar elephant counter medicine get him

48:59

into the zoo's mandate sixty five as

49:01

an age of retirement for the elephant

49:03

The similar to the fans who was

49:05

the Tamil Nadu a captive elephant tell

49:07

management do a mandate a sixty as

49:09

a time And for the elephant So

49:12

many elephants. the mean and private ownership

49:14

on and employers. Are use

49:16

are exploited, are made to work.

49:18

Maybe on the siege we the on the

49:21

stage often because we just have no place

49:23

to retire them to again. So I mean

49:25

revising of the Green movement on said that

49:27

know you know be of any sort of

49:30

a farm and that should use is a.

49:32

Real. Chapter benefits Revising has happened

49:34

because it requires commitment and work

49:36

in time and space. But.

49:40

Just rescuing them and putting

49:42

them into proper dedicated rehabilitation

49:45

facilities. Is A

49:47

despite month thought of having a

49:49

massive rescue facility. His

49:51

delivery of him challenge because

49:53

of the culture be private

49:56

ownership see. Just

49:58

non availability of facilities. So

50:00

we have a long way to go and I'm

50:02

really sad to see the the see it. Has

50:05

enacted this new rule. But.

50:08

Not the other things like it's not

50:10

thinking about when when they should elephants

50:12

be rescued to not treated more money

50:14

for as as you facilities are not

50:17

created a program you know. In.

50:19

My to us he might activists

50:21

working on the field and this

50:23

design a program a government program

50:25

that works in different communities in

50:27

talks about you don't. Talks

50:29

about the need to move away from using

50:31

live on the fence and for various reasons

50:33

of the dangers it poses, the cruelty to

50:35

the car com it's the elephant and on

50:38

abuse issues yeah I mean we did a

50:40

lot of you're not doing and and by

50:42

just doing is one thing by allowing time

50:44

for the and ignoring the other. Issue.

50:47

Of the state, it's not doing his

50:50

job fully and that's for me is

50:52

the more budding path because in two

50:54

thousand Twenty Four, we should be having

50:56

a conversation about moving a be for

50:58

music after benefits and not encouraging and

51:00

perpetuating the use of captive elephants. Thank

51:02

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51:05

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51:10

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51:12

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