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are having the best day and it's

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been a fun couple of weeks here . I've been out

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of town Sam Katz currently out

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of town , as you know

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from the last episode . I was training with the Navy

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SEALS last week , which was so much

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fun and quite the experience

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, and also today , a

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special but sad episode

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. We have producer Andrew and

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it is his last episode here

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and we're going to miss him dearly . So he's going to join us

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today and we're going to talk

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to you all about what you have going on and why

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you were leaving us here in Nashville Tennessee .

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Yeah , dude , happy to be on .

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And thank you guys for listening , Whether you are in

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Pinehurst , North Carolina , Carlisle

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, Pennsylvania or Kalamazoo

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, Michigan , we appreciate

1:37

your support . We are here in Nashville

1:39

, Tennessee , and as I was walking

1:41

into the studio , sad , sad

1:43

news they found the body of

1:45

Riley Strain , and this

1:48

has been going on now for almost two

1:50

weeks . I think it's made

1:52

national news . You've

1:55

probably seen it all over TikTok , Instagram

1:57

, if you haven't . A

2:00

college kid and his fraternity

2:02

. They came to Nashville , Tennessee

2:04

, for a weekend and he

2:06

supposedly got kicked out of Luke

2:09

Bryan's bar here on

2:11

Broadway and somehow

2:14

still don't know the details . But

2:16

his body

2:18

was just found in the river . So that was the

2:20

big fear . The river runs right

2:22

near Broadway here and there are a lot

2:24

of question marks of what happens

2:26

and a lot of theories going on right now

2:28

. You kind of thought and

2:30

figured that he was going to end up in the river

2:33

, but once you saw it

2:35

on the news , it just makes your heart sink

2:37

and makes you sick to your stomach . Andrew

2:39

, you think it was just a simple case of him being

2:41

too drunk and just stumbling into the river

2:43

.

2:44

Yeah , I mean first off so

2:46

horribly sad . I mean it's crazy

2:49

how I've been following

2:51

this like pretty closely for

2:53

like a week and a half and

2:56

now that you

2:58

see like the headline that like oh , his body

3:00

was found , it's like a whole new . I

3:02

can't imagine how his parents must feel . Like

3:05

I saw something that they said yesterday that

3:07

they're like still really hopeful and confident

3:10

that he's alive and like doing

3:13

everything you can to cling to that . Like you

3:15

know . You know that like there's probably a 99%

3:17

chance that he fell in the river , but like that 1%

3:20

becomes like

3:22

everything you're clinging to as a parent . I'm

3:24

sure I mean I have no , I've

3:27

never heard of this kid , I have no relation to him

3:29

and I was like clinging to that 1%

3:31

Absolutely . I so hope that he's just

3:34

something crazy happened and he's alive

3:36

, and so it's a huge bummer to see that yeah

3:40

, to see the news , I'm sure , but also like

3:42

relief for his family to be able to , like now

3:44

mourn , make steps

3:46

forward .

3:47

Yeah .

3:49

We were talking about this this morning is . It's interesting

3:51

how we

3:54

don't really know there's a lot of like things that we don't know . Like

3:56

what was he doing before the bar Cause

3:58

? Luke Bryant said that they only served him one drink

4:00

and two waters and they said

4:02

that he called his mom at

4:05

like eight , which is an hour and a

4:07

half before he got kicked out , and his mom and dad said

4:09

like he seemed totally fine , so

4:12

beforehand

4:14

was he like pounding

4:16

shots somewhere and they just like caught up

4:18

to him , or I

4:21

mean a theory that happens

4:23

, unfortunately , on Broadway more often than we would

4:25

probably like . Is well , definitely more often than

4:27

we would like . Is that people

4:29

get roofied men and women . And

4:32

it happens . I don't know what

4:34

the objective is all of

4:36

the time , but it happens more often than a

4:38

lot of people think , and so that was kind of

4:40

where my mind went initially when they were like

4:43

he only got served one drink Cause

4:45

he looks in the

4:47

videos and one of his frat

4:49

brothers said in the videos like this

4:52

is not how he

4:54

normally behaves , like we've been partying with him

4:56

for four years and like he doesn't get

4:59

, he doesn't stumble into walls

5:01

and like I mean the poor

5:03

kid is like crawling up

5:05

church street .

5:07

It's horrible .

5:08

Yeah .

5:09

Yeah , it's . Yeah

5:13

, you have a million questions about it

5:15

and especially

5:18

now with TikTok and all

5:20

the internet sleuths , I don't want to say it's

5:22

a bad thing , cause you have more eyes on it

5:24

. You have everybody trying to do

5:26

research and so many people

5:28

flew in here to Nashville just like

5:30

up and down those streets , the gyms

5:32

quarter mile from Broadway

5:35

and everything where it happened . So it

5:37

was weird to see everybody and

5:39

I kept on asking myself I'm like , is this a good thing

5:42

that this many people are getting involved ? Obviously

5:44

, those girls found his debit card

5:46

on the river bank , which was weird . When

5:48

you're falling into the river , you don't just reach

5:51

in your pocket and throw your debit card

5:53

out of your pocket . Yeah , so

5:55

I mean .

5:56

Maybe didn't have . A

5:58

theory that

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I had was like I always tell people when we go

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out on Broadway like don't

6:05

, if you don't have to , like don't

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bring your wallet , bring a debit

6:09

card or a credit card in your ID , because

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that's a lot harder to and less valuable

6:14

. Like there's pickpockets everywhere and

6:18

so that could have been . He just had his debit

6:20

card in his back pocket and

6:22

when he was like tumbling , it fell out . But

6:24

like , even that seems like but even where

6:26

he was kind of a stretch when they found it

6:29

.

6:29

it wasn't a spot where you can tumble and like . Even

6:31

I saw a video this morning pop up

6:33

on my TikTok and they had a guy going up and down

6:35

in the riverbank where they supposedly

6:38

would have gone in or where he was last

6:40

tracked , and it was like impossible to fall

6:42

through all of the bushes

6:44

and the trees .

6:46

Yeah , and then to also fall with enough

6:48

force that you're getting

6:52

deep enough into the river that

6:54

the current is taking you . I

6:57

mean I guess , yeah , like that seems him

7:00

falling in the river to me was like I

7:02

was like convinced there's no

7:04

way , because everybody's , like the

7:08

police even said like falling in

7:10

the river at this location is like so

7:12

unlikely .

7:14

Yeah .

7:15

That , but this is the only , really

7:17

the only option to look

7:19

.

7:20

And then people talking about him possibly getting

7:22

in a car when they saw that

7:24

footage of the cop .

7:28

So that's where I have my , where

7:30

I think that TikTok probably

7:32

gets like negative Right

7:35

, and that is because we're

7:37

now . Those

7:41

creators are using of tragedy

7:44

to get clicks .

7:46

That's exactly what I was going to say .

7:47

And so and like that's all just

7:49

theory , so like his

7:52

poor parents have to

7:54

. I mean , maybe they don't see it , maybe they do

7:56

, but if they do . Like now you're

7:58

introducing these like really

8:00

far-fetched ideas that like for

8:03

the regular civilian is

8:05

like almost like I

8:08

don't want to say entertainment , but like you're

8:10

being a conspiracy theorist , there's no

8:12

. Like you're just throwing ideas

8:14

out there to like see what hits on

8:16

TikTok and like you

8:19

have no skin in the game because you have

8:21

nothing to lose and there's no connection to

8:24

this kid who's a

8:26

son , and

8:28

yeah , that's where I think that TikTok probably gets like a little

8:30

bit negative in

8:33

that life .

8:33

Yeah , I couldn't agree with you more . That's

8:36

what I was thinking all last week to see people coming in . I'm like

8:38

you're using a tragedy

8:40

, this poor kid

8:42

, his family and his parents I mean

8:44

the things that they're going through and

8:46

for you to come here , make some type

8:48

of again theory and

8:50

blast on social media and be like Riley Shrain

8:53

got in a car here's why

8:55

or here's the evidence of this and

8:58

there's no real evidence . And

9:00

you know they want to argue that they're helping , but it's like

9:02

, yeah , you're helping , but also I don't know

9:04

. That's the fine line where .

9:06

You should be introducing none of your own thoughts . You

9:09

should be if you want to TikTok , live

9:11

and be like . This is what I'm doing in spreading

9:13

awareness for a cause . Awesome

9:16

, because probably

9:18

that helps that like . If it weren't for

9:20

TikTok , I'm not convinced

9:22

that this case would have become a

9:24

national news story Correct

9:27

, which is awesome , because then you're getting more resources

9:30

, blah , blah , blah . Great

9:32

news . We love that . But

9:34

then , once you start introducing your own theories

9:37

, it's like what

9:39

position of authority . You have no idea what you're

9:41

talking about . Oh , you paused

9:43

a police cam , a blurry police cam

9:46

footage . You paused it at the very

9:48

, very end and you're like he's not

9:50

in the video , he's not on the sidewalk

9:52

and there's a car right there . The only explanation

9:54

is that he got in the car . It's like no , do

9:57

you think that the police didn't think about that ?

9:59

I know , and they're like

10:01

you can hear the audio . He's saying get in , slow

10:04

it down , and then he's gone . It's

10:06

like man , I don't know .

10:08

And to be totally honest , that

10:10

could have happened . And then

10:13

they like

10:15

there's so much that we don't know he

10:18

could have . A lot of things could have happened

10:20

from that police body cam footage

10:23

to him getting

10:25

either put in a river or

10:28

falling in a river .

10:29

Right Cause that's also where a big homeless

10:31

camp is . And then you

10:34

have one guy on TikTok talking

10:36

about how he 100% didn't

10:38

fall in . He got to the homeless

10:40

camp , got jumped , whatever

10:43

, taken advantage of . When he was in that state of

10:45

minds something happened

10:47

where they killed him or whatever and then

10:49

toss him in the river , and it's something that we'll

10:51

probably never know .

10:52

Yeah , yeah . One

10:55

thing that I thought was interesting about the body cam footage is like

10:57

those theories of like oh he just like drunkenly

10:59

stumbled into a homeless camp

11:02

and was just like I'm

11:04

lost , like someone help me is

11:07

and then put himself

11:09

in a position to get jumped , If you

11:12

like the police footage where he

11:14

like is walking straight

11:16

. He addresses the cop formally

11:18

, is very like there's no slur

11:21

in his speech . He's like tightened up from

11:24

the last time we saw him . You

11:26

know what I mean .

11:27

Right .

11:28

And everybody who's partied

11:31

knows that

11:33

when you see a cop you're

11:35

adrenaline spikes , and

11:37

so he had enough awareness to

11:39

see that police

11:42

officer and go all right , I got to dial

11:44

it in here because if I keep stumbling around I'm going to get

11:46

arrested , and so he wouldn't have put him

11:48

. He had at least enough wherewithal to

11:50

not just like meander

11:53

into like somewhere dangerous

11:55

.

11:56

Right , you can even hear his

11:58

footsteps as he's approaching

12:00

the cop . Just how heavy and loud they were because

12:02

people were saying he wasn't that messed up

12:04

. I'm like no , listen to his footsteps . When he was approaching

12:06

that cop car , that dude was stumbling , yeah

12:09

. And of course you see a cop and you're

12:11

like how are you doing ? Have a good night

12:13

, and that's it , and you move forward

12:15

, yeah . So when people

12:17

are like no , he wasn't that messed up , I'm like no , you

12:19

can't say that based on

12:21

that five second interaction with

12:23

the police . But to your point too , the

12:26

pros of TikTok right , it got

12:28

a lot of exposure and

12:31

I don't think it would have been as big of

12:33

a national probably worldwide

12:35

news story without social media

12:37

. They pulled out two

12:40

other dead bodies in the river this week .

12:42

I was just going to say that .

12:44

This river has a lot of dead

12:46

bodies , for whatever reason . Dre saw

12:49

one one time when she was taking

12:51

photos by the river and a guy was

12:53

pulling out a dead body and it's like known

12:55

the Cumberland River to have dead bodies in

12:57

there . Clearly they pulled out two this week just

12:59

looking for him .

13:01

Yeah , wow , that's traumatizing

13:03

.

13:03

But yeah , it's terrible and so

13:07

sad for the family . They probably

13:09

like , even if they didn't find his body

13:11

for the next 30 , 40 years , you're still

13:13

holding on to that hope that

13:15

he's alive . Right , you have to hold on to

13:17

that 1% . Now it's just like it's

13:19

final , but

13:22

hopefully they're able to move forward as best they

13:24

can . And one thing that

13:26

a lot of people were talking about are

13:29

his friends at the bars

13:31

and how terrible they are

13:33

and they should have been with him

13:35

. And this is a scenario that I've

13:38

kind of played back and try to

13:40

put myself in . When

13:42

you go out with a group of buddies like

13:45

that , I mean , I

13:47

don't know , andrew , what do you think

13:49

? Like these guys are frat brothers

13:51

in college , been

13:54

partying for a while . I

13:56

gotta imagine that almost on a nightly

13:58

basis when these guys go out

14:00

, they get split up at some point

14:03

and it just happens that they

14:05

end up together at

14:07

the end of the night the next morning

14:09

. So I'm

14:12

having a tough time immediately being like oh

14:14

, those friends were terrible , totally .

14:17

I mean , you're a senior

14:19

. They're seniors in a fraternity

14:22

at a massive

14:25

, the biggest state school , I'm

14:27

pretty sure in Missouri it's

14:29

a huge . I grew up in Michigan

14:31

, so it's like I related it to Michigan State

14:33

. A senior fraternity

14:36

brother at MSU is

14:39

or Mizzou or whatever

14:41

university . You're

14:43

a professional partier . You

14:47

are well versed in

14:49

drinking , partying

14:52

, going out that's kind of

14:54

a very common

14:56

occurrence . And so when you

14:58

look at your buddy outside

15:00

the bar you just got kicked out of the bar you

15:02

look at your buddy and you say , hey , man

15:04

, I'm going to go back to the hotel and

15:07

I'll catch up with you guys later . The

15:11

friend doesn't even probably

15:14

think for a second because

15:16

he's so now . Ideally

15:20

you would think this

15:22

isn't Mizzou . You

15:24

don't know where you are . You're clearly very

15:26

intoxicated . This is an

15:29

unfamiliar territory . I'm

15:32

going to come with you and just make sure you get back to the hotel

15:34

. But they're also drinking

15:36

. We can't put expectations

15:38

on his frat brothers

15:40

to make

15:42

sound decisions when everyone's

15:45

drunk .

15:46

Even the hotel was

15:49

two blocks from Broadway .

15:51

It was straight up the road there , the

15:54

opposite direction of where he went .

15:56

It's tough to be like man . They're such

15:58

terrible friends . I do find it weird

16:00

that it Even then

16:03

I guess I don't know if I do it took so long

16:05

for them to figure it out that

16:07

he was missing , even

16:11

if you go home . Listen , I've

16:13

partied a lot in my life . I

16:15

have partied since high school , college

16:18

. After college I had the craziest

16:20

buddies . When

16:23

you go out with a group of guys , some guys don't

16:25

come home that night . If he wasn't there

16:27

when they got home maybe

16:31

they thought , hey , he's with a girl or

16:33

he's somewhere . Obviously

16:36

you want to try and get in touch with them to figure it

16:38

out . Yeah , that's

16:40

just part of it . Like you said , to be in a different territory

16:42

, to be in Nashville , tennessee , and it was only 8

16:45

or 9 pm at night . You

16:47

get all these guys at the bar and

16:50

you got one guy Maybe he's the guy

16:52

that leaves on his own all the time . There's

16:54

always a buddy like that .

16:55

Totally .

16:56

Or maybe it's the guy who's like the sloppy guy

16:59

and you're like all right , well , he's going to figure it

17:01

out . I'm going to go back upstairs , I'm

17:03

talking to these girls and I'm with my buddies and it's

17:05

9 o'clock . Hotel's right there . I

17:08

mean , who knows what was going through any of their minds , obviously

17:10

hindsight's 20-20 .

17:12

Or the total opposite . It sounds like from what his

17:14

parents said . This

17:17

is abnormal behavior . Maybe

17:21

he was the really responsible friend

17:25

who always has his shit

17:27

together and you're like oh

17:29

, certainly he's not going to

17:32

, he's always fine . He's always

17:34

fine . He just had a little bit too much to

17:36

drink . He'll be able to get home . He's

17:39

the responsible friend , you know what I mean

17:41

.

17:41

Yeah , either way , they're

17:43

probably all kicking themselves . Yeah

17:45

, obviously that's really sad .

17:47

I mean those poor kids they're

17:49

going to get . I mean their life

17:51

is now altered forever

17:54

.

17:54

Forever and I was thinking about that

17:56

so much . I'm like I want to know what

17:58

my buddies would do . So I'm going

18:01

to call one of my high school buddies , one

18:03

of my college buddies

18:06

and a boy that I have now in that

18:08

situation and see

18:10

what they would do .

18:13

High school buddy is a deep pull . We

18:16

need Wait , wait , wait Before

18:18

you call . We need context on who these people are , how high school

18:20

We'll start . We'll go one by one and

18:22

then you can call them High school buddy . How

18:25

often do you talk to him ?

18:26

Yeah , all these guys I still talk to on a regular

18:29

basis . These are

18:31

all guys who I've partied a lot

18:33

with . So my high school buddy

18:35

knowing each other

18:38

for a very long time small town

18:40

, live on the street next

18:42

to one another , so he's known

18:44

me for most of my life . College buddy played

18:47

soccer with him . He was my roommate , he

18:49

lived across the hall from me and

18:51

he's one of my best friends still to this day

18:53

. And then one of my

18:55

good friends here in Nashville

18:57

who I've been out with a

18:59

bunch prior to me going sober

19:02

. So we'll start with . I

19:04

know exactly how this is going to play out too . I

19:07

guarantee my high school buddy is going to be like

19:09

well , buddy , I would

19:11

have left you , or like I would

19:13

have expected

19:15

to be left . We'll see .

19:17

Hello .

19:18

There he is .

19:19

How are we doing over there ?

19:20

We're doing good . You're alive on In

19:23

the Boots . I've been waiting for my .

19:24

In the Boots debut .

19:26

Here it is . It's on March Madness

19:28

Friday .

19:28

It doesn't get better than that it doesn't

19:31

, you know , not even at work , just getting

19:33

ready to wash some hoop .

19:34

Are we going to get you in trouble ? Right now Are you supposed

19:37

to be at work ? No , all

19:39

right , no who ?

19:41

works . No one works anymore .

19:42

Yeah , all right . Well , go . Huskies

19:44

, we have a scenario for

19:47

you here and I'm just going to ask

19:49

you a scenario and I want to know what

19:51

you would do in this situation . Okay

19:53

, I mean , we've been in this situation . Probably

19:56

not a good situation . Yeah

19:58

, say we go out , okay

20:01

, with a group of buddies

20:03

, or maybe it's just me and you . We

20:05

are in a new city and

20:09

you know drinking all day no

20:12

, not us , never . It

20:15

gets around eight

20:18

o'clock , nine pm and I'm intoxicated

20:21

, I'm really drunk and

20:24

I get kicked out of a bar

20:26

. You're at the bar with me , got

20:29

another group of friends at that bar

20:31

. They walk me out of the door . What

20:34

are you doing in that situation ?

20:35

I'm staying at the bar and having myself a night

20:38

.

20:38

I knew you were going to say that , yeah . Febby

20:40

did that to me that's happening to you

20:42

All , right , yeah . Yeah , we're

20:45

talking about the Riley Strain situation . Do

20:49

you know anything about that ? I don't , oh , okay , yeah , I mean , I mean I know

20:51

various issues that visit me with these things , but indeed I think there is a difference between the

20:53

fact that they are from Indian descent or just about .

20:55

I mean , I've been roaming around Nashville

20:57

drunk as a skunk by myself and I have no

20:59

idea where I'm going . There was a lot of alcohol

21:02

in me .

21:03

Yeah , so that's why I'm calling

21:05

you . I'm calling Horn .

21:07

I don't mean to get off track , but I also just

21:09

found out Kate Middleton's

21:12

missing .

21:14

Is that , yeah , is that like a ?

21:16

Did you know that ?

21:17

I saw TikTok stuff on like images that

21:19

were doctored .

21:20

She's supposed to be found .

21:21

Yeah , Okay , I

21:23

just found this out .

21:25

Oh really .

21:26

Yeah .

21:27

Oh , I didn't know that . I literally just

21:29

found this out . I was like , well , that's pretty

21:31

big .

21:32

They like posted photos a couple of days

21:34

ago , but it doesn't really look like her .

21:37

Okay , maybe she's not found All right . Well , that's

21:39

for another podcast episode . I appreciate

21:41

you taking the call . You

21:43

got it , buddy . All right , go Huskies . He's

21:47

going to say he'll , I don't know , this one's

21:49

going to Back in the day . You would say

21:52

same thing .

21:53

Vote for Donnelly .

21:54

Vote for Donnelly . There he is . Al

21:56

Horne , you're live on In the Booth . Don't say

21:58

anything too crazy over there .

22:02

How's everyone doing today ?

22:03

There you go , pg rated . I like it

22:05

. We're doing good

22:08

. How are you doing ?

22:09

I got to keep it okay for the kids Can't

22:11

complain . It's 30 degrees but

22:13

it's sunny .

22:15

All right , and tell the people where you're calling

22:17

in from today .

22:19

Just outside of Boston Mass .

22:21

All right , there he is Wicked

22:24

cold up there .

22:26

It's wicky cold , but we live

22:28

here for a reason . We appreciate the cold and

22:31

when the sun's out we're psyching . Put on

22:33

some country music driving right

22:35

now , but I got the AirPods in so we're

22:37

being safe , don't worry .

22:39

There we go . That's what I love about New Englanders

22:41

. All right , here's the deal . I'm

22:43

going to give you a scenario and

22:45

you got Are you doing Sam Cat ? No

22:47

, sam Cat's actually out town this week . Okay

22:50

, I understand . I won't interrupt you

22:52

anymore . I'm

22:55

going to give you a scenario and you're going to tell me

22:57

what you would do in this situation

23:00

. A completely honest answer

23:02

here .

23:04

I don't know anything else , let's do it .

23:05

All right . So me and you , we're going

23:07

out for the night . Oh

23:10

Jesus , we're

23:12

partying hard . We're in a different

23:14

city , we've got a group of guys with

23:16

us , all right and

23:19

drinking all day . It

23:21

gets to about eight or nine PM , we're out at the bar

23:24

and everybody's

23:26

there , and then I get kicked out of

23:28

the bar . I'm a little .

23:31

Is this a hypothetical or are we talking about

23:33

something that's ?

23:34

happened to me ? Yeah , exactly , exactly

23:37

. I knew you'd be a good call , and

23:39

so I get kicked out of the bar . I say

23:41

I'm going back or I'm leaving

23:43

, and then everybody else is still

23:45

at the bar . What are you doing in that

23:47

situation ?

23:50

I'm walking back with you , you

23:52

are . Questions asked . Yeah

23:54

, no , questions asked All right . Again

23:57

, I'm 37 with kids . Now I look

23:59

at things different . When I was 19

24:01

in college , I'm not sure if

24:04

I was walking back with you . So

24:06

things have changed , perspective changed . But

24:08

right now , if we're going out

24:10

, the responsible thing is

24:12

to make your heated , clearly

24:15

not in the right mind if someone's telling you you can't

24:17

be in the bar . I'm walking you home

24:20

and we're going to make the best of the night and probably end

24:22

up somewhere else and it's going to be fun .

24:24

Yeah , I mean , that's a great answer and

24:26

I was calling you . I'm like if I

24:28

had asked them this back in

24:31

the day when we're in college , I feel like I'd get a different

24:33

answer now 100%

24:35

.

24:35

Yep , the old me . Maybe I

24:37

was still staying at the bar and wishing you luck on

24:39

your way and I'd catch up with you in the morning

24:41

. But nowadays , yeah

24:45

, we'd head back and you know what ? I

24:47

think everyone else would end up following us and we'd go

24:49

figure out something else to do .

24:51

Right , but back in the day

24:53

, when we're in college , it's like a battlefield out there

24:55

.

24:55

No , you can't keep track of everyone and

25:00

yeah , things are a little foggy . You're in the moment

25:02

. Yeah , it's tough

25:04

to say back then , but I'd

25:06

probably lean towards every

25:08

man for themselves and we'll talk

25:10

about it the next morning , laugh about it , but

25:13

everyone's kind of going their own way

25:15

and

25:17

whatnot .

25:17

For sure , All right , that's

25:20

a good answer . Have you heard about the Riley Strain

25:22

kid ?

25:25

I haven't .

25:26

You haven't either . That's crazy , is it just because we're in Nashville

25:29

? So

25:31

a kid two weeks ago in Nashville , oh

25:34

man , yeah .

25:35

Oh , that's , tragic .

25:36

Yeah .

25:37

Yeah , there's been similar stories

25:39

in the past . In Boston , if you

25:41

talk down in the waterfront , there's been

25:44

, over the last like five or 10

25:46

years , similar stories where men

25:48

in their you know 25

25:51

to 35 years old have gone missing

25:53

. There's actually like some theory about it

25:55

, but it's absolutely tragic

25:58

and terrible for that to happen to

26:00

anyone .

26:01

I know it's so terrible . I kept on like trying to put

26:03

myself in that situation and now obviously everybody

26:05

is critiquing his friends

26:07

and saying they're terrible friends . They didn't go with him , and

26:10

I'm just like man it's ? You never know what

26:12

state of mind you're in and you don't know

26:14

the personalities of those kids . And I was thinking

26:16

over here , like you know , yeah

26:19

, it's just so hard to put yourself

26:21

in that situation , but we've all kind of been there

26:23

, which is crazy .

26:24

Absolutely . And

26:26

you know when you're going out in a social environment

26:29

, like you're not in the most

26:31

responsible state of mind right , like

26:33

that's not when you're making your best decisions

26:36

, whether that's what you're doing supportively for

26:38

a friend or what you're doing yourself , and

26:41

that's part of the problem going out Alcohol

26:44

is involved and you know that type of

26:46

stuff . So , and unfortunately

26:48

, in this scenario it's like the worst

26:50

case scenario that can happen . But

26:52

you know there's risk with going out

26:55

and it's you know it's awful when you

26:57

hear about something that's just happening .

26:59

It is . It is Well

27:01

, all right . I appreciate taking the call

27:03

. That's why you

27:05

can't get a better friend than this guy right here . You

27:08

got a very different answer than Cooper did

27:10

. I knew that was going to be the case .

27:14

Oh , you didn't tell me he was involved . Yeah

27:16

, like I said , kids will change

27:18

you . So how I look at things now from

27:20

a responsibility and different perspective

27:23

than back in the day , and that's where me and

27:25

Cooper are different , right .

27:26

Yeah .

27:27

Things will change for him .

27:28

Absolutely . Well , I agree . All right , buddy

27:31

, I'll catch up with you later .

27:33

All right , don't forget to vote for Donnelly . See ya

27:35

, bye .

27:36

Kids will change you and

27:38

just like , even like life experience , like

27:41

now moving forward

27:43

in my life , like I'm going to be

27:45

so hyper aware of , like

27:47

Lily's in Vegas this weekend

27:50

and I'm like you need to

27:52

be dialed in on , like going

27:54

it makes going out not as fun because

27:56

there's malicious people out there and there's

27:58

just such evil in the world

28:00

that there's the like your buddy

28:02

said , like there's a risk with partying and like

28:04

that risk is becoming as

28:07

I get older and I mean I'm only 27

28:10

. Like that risk feels like it's

28:12

just getting exponentially greater and

28:14

greater and greater . Yes and

28:16

for not

28:18

a lot of gain .

28:19

It's not worth it . Yeah , and

28:22

it's almost like you have to be naive

28:24

.

28:24

Yeah , yeah .

28:24

Right To be going out like that and we were

28:26

naive , yeah . And as you get older

28:29

, you start seeing all

28:31

the bad and things and the brisk and

28:33

before , like you said there's . You

28:35

know nothing else really matters either . You're like

28:37

this is my life , this is going to be the greatest

28:39

night ever , and you're not even looking towards

28:42

tomorrow .

28:42

Yeah .

28:43

So it's sad and definitely as

28:46

a dad now , it definitely breaks my heart even more

28:48

. So we're thinking about their family

28:50

and we're glad that they got

28:52

at least some closure here . But

28:55

anyways , moving on , last week

28:57

I was training with the SEALs .

28:58

Yeah , dude , I want to hear all about this .

29:00

It was wild . It was wild . I

29:02

worked with Paneray watches . Have

29:04

you ever heard of them ?

29:06

No .

29:07

They're luxury watch brands and they

29:09

do a

29:11

really cool job of collaborating with

29:14

certain types of companies or groups

29:16

like the SEALs , and they made a limited

29:18

edition watch that is a Navy

29:20

SEAL watch . It's like submersible watch . They

29:23

sold 25 in the US , 25

29:26

overseas , and

29:28

if you bought the watch part

29:31

, it's a package . It's called an experience

29:33

. So you buy the watch and you get this experience . The

29:35

experience was to come train with the Navy SEALs for three days

29:37

. I didn't buy the watch , I was just

29:39

invited to go down there . A couple other guys

29:42

like Michael Chandler , sick

29:45

, yeah . So it was

29:47

sweet . We got to do all that fun stuff

29:49

and as soon as we get dropped off

29:52

, they put us in all of our gear and

29:55

they give us a partner . They bring us out

29:57

to this huge field , hundreds

29:59

of thousands of acres they have out there , and

30:02

they're like all right , here's a compass , we're

30:04

going to give you guys five minutes and

30:09

you're going to go south . You're

30:11

going to find trucks

30:13

. We're giving you

30:15

five minutes to get a head start and then

30:18

you have an hour to get to those trucks

30:20

and if you're spotted

30:22

by any of the SEALs that are out in the woods

30:24

right now , you have to go back to

30:26

the start .

30:27

Oh , so you're not in . It's on an open field .

30:30

No , no woods , Like there's

30:32

some open parts to it Kind

30:34

of like , and there's some really

30:36

thick woods open part

30:39

and like

30:41

a corn maze , almost type thing .

30:43

It was wild , so you have to get

30:45

to the . The objective is get to a truck

30:47

.

30:48

Yeah , and , and under an hour .

30:50

And under an hour .

30:51

Yeah .

30:52

And are you doing anything once you get to the truck , or does it just

30:54

get to the truck .

30:54

No , you just got to get to the truck without being spotted .

30:56

Are you paired with a

30:58

person who knows what they're doing or

31:00

no ?

31:01

No , it's all guys from the experience , so these are guys

31:03

that just bought the watches . Just

31:05

rich just rich , just rich guys . Yeah , so

31:08

we go straight into the woods I'm talking about

31:10

the thickest woods you've ever seen in your entire life

31:12

. Like I was like to the point where I was getting really

31:14

scared because I'm like we're never going to make it out of this . Like

31:17

we had to , like , jump on branches

31:19

and trees to get through and create a path

31:22

, and it was like you're walking in water , and

31:24

one thing I learned about being a Navy SEAL , I guess , is that you just

31:26

got to be used to being wet all the time . We had

31:28

wet socks and shoes for three days

31:30

straight .

31:31

Oh .

31:31

And so that was .

31:34

Did you make it ?

31:35

We made it . Yeah , we were the second team .

31:37

No , you didn't get spotted at all .

31:41

We got spotted right when we came

31:43

out of the woods because we were so loud . He's

31:46

like the guy was standing there and he's like waiting for us to

31:48

walk out and he's like I could see that tree shaking

31:50

back there Cause I was standing

31:53

. I like went up the branches to look to

31:55

see how much farther we had in the woods and he's

31:57

like all you could see was like the tree going back

31:59

and forth .

32:00

Oh , so then you had to go back again , so we had to start , yeah

32:02

, Shoot yeah .

32:05

But then we made it an under hour and

32:08

we were second place for that . We also

32:10

did like physical training , which

32:12

was cool Waking up at four in the morning

32:15

getting sprayed with hoses , doing

32:17

farmers , carries , pushups

32:19

, burpees , all that fun stuff Did

32:22

some shooting , which is fun

32:24

, and then we also got

32:27

sent on a mission taking like two days of training

32:29

and again similar going through the woods

32:31

, with this time we had paintball guns and the seals had

32:33

paintball guns and we had to go with our whole group

32:36

. So I was like leading the team

32:38

through the woods , like trying to

32:40

be stealth mode and walking through all

32:44

this water , which I'm like there's

32:46

no alligators out here and everybody's like , yeah , no

32:48

, there are .

32:50

But I didn't even think about it until it was done .

32:52

Like we were like laying on the ground next to

32:54

all these swamps , and one of the guys

32:56

that was with me was like yeah , that's why I was nervous when we were just sitting

32:58

there laying next to the swamp , I didn't

33:00

want to go in there and I didn't even think twice

33:02

about it .

33:04

Oh my gosh .

33:05

Yeah .

33:05

You have a paintball gun to defend yourself

33:07

.

33:08

Yeah , and then the last day we

33:10

went to the Navy Seal Museum

33:12

, which was super cool

33:15

, and then we did an obstacle course

33:17

. We did the training on the beach with

33:19

the raft and the water . The

33:22

seal was like all right , I'm giving you guys 30

33:24

seconds to go in the water and I better not see any

33:26

of you guys . So we had

33:28

the raft , so we had to run out to

33:30

the water , flip the raft over

33:32

, go underneath the raft . We can smash with

33:35

waves . This fun stuff like

33:37

that .

33:38

Yeah , it sounds like a blast , dude . Yeah .

33:40

And then I got strapped to the side of a helicopter and

33:42

I was so nervous for that .

33:43

When you say strapped to the side of a helicopter , I literally

33:46

strapped to the side of a helicopter .

33:49

With what Bungie course One strap One

33:52

, like one strap that goes

33:54

around your waist .

33:55

What is it attached to ? It's attached to . It's like a seatbelt

33:57

.

33:57

It just clips in the middle .

33:59

To the exterior of the helicopter .

34:01

Yeah , you sit on the outside of the helicopter

34:03

on a bench .

34:05

Oh whoa , that's pretty sick . So Was

34:07

that cool or scary ?

34:09

It was cool , but I was way more scared

34:11

than I thought it was cool , Like again , that's another

34:14

thing like the older you get and I feel like I see helicopters

34:16

crashing all the time and military

34:18

choppers

34:20

crashing . So I was super nervous

34:22

because people were talking about

34:25

maybe jumping out of the helicopters that

34:27

were going to have to do that and I was like , ooh , I don't know about

34:29

that and I'm like I just had a

34:31

baby . He's at home , he's three months old

34:34

. I don't want to get in a helicopter crash

34:36

.

34:36

Is there like an unsubscribe option on

34:39

this trip ?

34:40

So the helicopter comes around the field

34:43

and it lands , and then one of

34:45

the seals is like all right , line up from tallest

34:47

to shortest and I was the third

34:49

tallest person and they went

34:51

all right , one , two , three , four , five

34:53

, you , five , you're going to start at the helicopter

34:55

. I was like shit . So immediately I'm like

34:57

all right , I'm in the first group for the helicopter . And

35:00

then we walk over there and I'm like super nervous

35:02

and then the guy points at me . He goes

35:04

, you're going first , of course . I

35:06

was like fuck . So I didn't really have time to think

35:08

and I'm just standing there and

35:11

we got to go over the safety brief and

35:13

just telling us obviously you got to stay low

35:16

, the blades have

35:18

a lot of flex to them , so don't stand

35:20

up tall or else you get your head taken off . And

35:22

make sure as soon as you get on the bench you just sit

35:24

there , you slide on and if

35:26

you hear the engine go out

35:28

, it gets really silent . That means the engine's

35:30

dead or the engine gave out . And

35:32

then you just got to tuck your legs into the left

35:35

. If we start spinning like crazy

35:37

, tuck your legs in . And they're saying

35:39

all this stuff Like we had to tell you this stuff , and

35:41

I'm like Jesus .

35:43

Cutie .

35:44

And then I get on , and right

35:46

before I got on I said to one of the seals I'm like , do

35:49

we have to do this ? And

35:51

he's like , no , you

35:53

don't have to . But this is like the

35:55

coolest part of the whole week . And

35:58

I'm like , oh man , he's like it'll

36:00

be fine . And so

36:02

I just really basically just , you

36:05

know , stopped being a little bee and just

36:07

hopped on the plane and then just strapped on and

36:09

I was just grabbing to

36:12

the bars as hard as I possibly could . And

36:14

so they just like take you around and like they're

36:16

just driving , yeah , for like 10 minutes and

36:18

the guy was like , well , we probably won't

36:20

go over the ocean because we don't have any water gear If

36:23

something happens and we go down for a landing .

36:25

Dude , they were totally just pulling your chain . There's

36:27

no way that it's that . It's

36:30

a 10 minute helicopter ride . They're the

36:32

Navy SEALs . I'm assuming that

36:34

they were just like trying to psych you out .

36:36

Yeah well , they did a damn good job of it

36:38

because he's like we're not going over the

36:40

ocean and then we're over the ocean the entire

36:42

time and then anytime he would turn towards

36:45

my side . I'm parallel with the ground

36:47

, just hanging on by

36:49

that one strap and just , and I

36:52

was holding as tight as I could to

36:54

the outside of that helicopter .

36:55

See , I am the opposite of

36:57

.

36:58

You love that .

36:58

A Navy SEAL , but I think that that

37:00

would be so cool . I don't think I would

37:03

be scared at all to do that part .

37:05

Really .

37:05

Though , like , my brain would immediately

37:08

go to like when I'm in the woods , like

37:10

what's in here , I would immediately

37:12

be scared of the crocodiles , but I

37:14

could get strapped to that helicopter and I would be like because

37:17

I would just put I have full

37:19

, 100% faith that nothing's

37:21

going to happen Because

37:24

they're the Navy SEALs .

37:27

I know .

37:27

I'm just like oh , you guys are , you're the best

37:29

pilot in the world to drive this helicopter

37:31

.

37:32

Something that did come for me was when I looked

37:34

at that pilot . He was like the most

37:36

pilot looking person in the entire

37:38

world . He was like mid

37:40

60s 50s . He had like

37:42

bright white hair , Like he just

37:44

looked like he would be a pilot for

37:46

any movie and I was like , OK , this

37:49

guy's awesome , he's like dude .

37:50

I've built my entire career on

37:52

driving this helicopter into

37:55

war , exactly . You're going

37:57

to be fine . We're going to do a 10 minute

37:59

little joy ride around . You're

38:01

just going to be just in joy .

38:03

Yeah , exactly .

38:04

I'm not going to make the biggest

38:06

air of my career and kill

38:08

a civilian on this trip ?

38:11

That would be yeah , he's

38:13

probably like let's just get this over with because it's exciting

38:16

for me .

38:16

Yeah .

38:18

But it was a nice charity ride for him

38:20

. But that was it . It was awesome

38:22

, glad to be back , glad to be back in Nashville

38:24

and real quick for the people . Why

38:27

are you leaving us ? Where are you going ?

38:30

Yeah , so I'm leaving Nashville , You're back in Nashville

38:32

, I'm about to head out . My wife Lily

38:34

got a job . She's been in PA school

38:36

for the what Thank you , thank

38:39

you . She's been in PA

38:41

school at Lipscomb for the last three years

38:43

, and so our two

38:45

and a half years however long the program is whatever and

38:48

she got a job offer in Grand

38:50

Rapids , which is where we grew up Grand Rapids , michigan

38:52

, and it's kind of like

38:54

a dream job for her , which I know sounds

38:56

like a corny , but it really is

38:58

. It's exactly what she wanted to be doing

39:01

. She was kind of like , if I would have

39:03

asked her six months ago what's

39:05

your dream scenario for

39:07

your first job ?

39:09

This would be it .

39:10

This would be it Hell yeah , yeah

39:13

, we took the jump . I'm sad to leave . It's

39:15

super bittersweet . I've never done anything that's

39:18

this bittersweet . We've moved from

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Michigan to California , to California , to

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here and now back to Michigan , and this

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is definitely the hardest move . We've

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built a pretty cool community here and it's

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been a great couple of years

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, but I'm also excited to get home . And

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we're going to be . Both

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our families are there and we're

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probably going to be having kids in the next couple of years

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, and so being close

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to grandparents was kind

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of a goal , and so it made sense .

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Yeah , that's huge , that's awesome , that's exciting

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, and I feel like the quality of life is going to be so

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much better just being close to your family

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. Yeah , making a family of your own .

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It'll be a little bit of a slower pace .

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Yeah .

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Nashville is awesome , but it's a fast city

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and , living

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in LA for five years

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and then here for four , it's been

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nine years of really

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fast pace . So I'm excited to just chill and

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we're keeping our house here and just renting it to

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my sister-in-law , so it'll

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be cool to be able to actually

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, like we can utilize it . So I'm

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hoping to get back down here at least a couple times a year

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just for festivities

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and fun stuff like CMA

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Fest , or they do that Music City

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Grand Prix every year that we've been going to

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Nice . So stuff like that , we'll

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be back in town .

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All right . Well , don't be a stranger . We

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appreciate everything you've done in the podcast . All listeners

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love producer Andrew .

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Thank you .

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We'll see you soon and everybody else , enjoy

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the rest of your day . We'll see you next week

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. Team on three .

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Team DEC

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