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Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet

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Parshall. Thrilled. We're going to spend the hour together.

2:35

So let me start by asking you a

2:37

question. When's the last time you took time

2:39

out that you really rested?

2:41

I mean, we've got this directive about

2:44

remember the Sabbath, keep it holy. We talk

2:46

about a Sabbath rest. But I mean, really and truly.

2:49

When is the last time you made

2:51

a decision, an overt decision

2:53

to rest? Well, that's

2:55

what we're going to talk about this hour. The Art of

2:57

rest. In fact, it's a directive

2:59

to us. Inscription. We're going to find out about it.

3:01

The book that's going to be the basis of our conversation

3:03

comes from one of my very favorite imprints,

3:06

The Good Book Company. I

3:08

just love their books. Everybody who writes for

3:10

them is just straight as a stick

3:13

arrow when it comes to sound Christian orthodoxy,

3:15

so I always feel confident whenever I get

3:17

a book to review from The Good Book Company. But

3:19

the full title of the book, written by Anna mabry, is

3:21

called the Art of rest. Faith to Hit

3:23

pause in a world that never

3:26

stops. I just heard a collective sigh

3:28

from Guam, all the way over there to the Cayman Islands.

3:30

Let me tell you who Adam is. Adam is the founding

3:33

senior pastor of Alethea Church in

3:35

Boston, Massachusetts. They have multiple sites,

3:37

by the way. It's a diverse church.

3:39

They are passionate about bringing the

3:41

gospel in the way through truth

3:43

and grace, and for people to understand

3:46

that the gospel changes everything.

3:48

Four months after he married his wife, Hope,

3:50

they were radically and unexpectedly

3:52

called into ministry and moved to

3:54

Edinburgh for five years. They

3:57

were there and they helped to plant and grow

3:59

two new churches. And then in 2010, they came

4:01

back to the States and planted Alethea

4:03

Church in Boston, mass. Along

4:05

the way, Adam completed his master's degree

4:07

from Reformed Theological Seminary and

4:10

a Gordon-conwell Theological Seminary.

4:12

So he's got a couple of degrees thus far.

4:14

Then he picks up a third degree,

4:16

a doctorate from Gordon-conwell and

4:18

a PhD from the University of Aberdeen. Why

4:20

not? You've been to Scotland already? He now

4:22

serves on the faculty of Every Nation

4:25

Seminary as professor of theology

4:27

and Biblical studies. And he's written

4:29

a lot of books by the way, such as the Art

4:31

of rest. That's the one we're going to talk about today

4:33

and stop taking sides.

4:36

By the way, this is a wonderful book. How

4:38

truth intention saves us from

4:40

anxiety and outrage. And when God seems

4:42

gone, finding hope when nothing makes sense.

4:45

So you can tell he tackles some pretty important questions

4:47

in the believer's life. Adam, thank you so much

4:49

for being with us. First and foremost, I

4:51

have to ask you, why did you ever come back to the

4:53

States after living in Scotland?

4:56

Um, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

4:58

Well, uh, I'm a Florida boy. And,

5:01

uh, when it's sunny in Scotland, it's the most

5:03

beautiful place in the world. But it rains 300

5:05

days a year there. So at some point, uh,

5:08

you can take the boy out of Florida, but

5:10

you can't take the Florida out of the boy. So it's nice

5:12

to be in a place. I live in Boston now.

5:14

So we have a little bit more sunshine, uh, than we

5:16

had in Scotland. Um, but,

5:18

uh, no, it was a it was a huge pleasure and privilege

5:20

to get to be there, but, uh, actually, our visas

5:22

ended up being revoked. And so that's why we

5:24

that's why we moved home. Yeah. So

5:27

so we thought, oh, this must be the hand of the Lord.

5:29

It's time to go. Her Majesty's Government has

5:31

informed us we need to go.

5:33

Exactly right. So when you were in

5:35

Edinburgh, you were there doing some church planting.

5:37

I, uh, obviously, I have a passion. It's

5:39

because Scottish blood courses through my veins.

5:42

And I've been so many times I've lost count.

5:44

Um, and I always find Scotland very

5:46

interesting because this is the land where

5:48

it was so paramount to the Reformation,

5:51

where people were giving their lives, where

5:53

John Knox would preach so powerfully that Mary,

5:55

Queen of Scots, would say, I fear his preaching more

5:57

than any army that could be mounted against me.

5:59

I mean, it's so germane to our faith

6:01

for people who really want to understand

6:03

that faith journey from the Middle East

6:06

through the UK, back to the States. It's a

6:08

fascinating journey. But what was it like

6:10

spiritually to plant churches there? Tell me about the

6:12

people that you engaged and the receptivity

6:14

to the gospel.

6:16

Yes. Uh, well, it

6:18

was actually quite challenging. Um,

6:20

the, the, the land is quite different

6:22

than it was during the, during the Reformation. And

6:24

at the time, uh, of course, this was

6:27

this was a bit ago now, a decade and a half, uh,

6:29

very few people wanted to hear the gospel with

6:31

an American accent. Um, uh,

6:33

and very few people wanted. Yeah. We're

6:36

excited about, you know, an American evangelical coming

6:38

to tell them about Jesus. But, you

6:40

know, when we took the time to move

6:42

past that, I mean, we found the Scottish people to be

6:45

lovely and, uh, had the privilege of making

6:47

some lifelong friends, uh, and,

6:49

and some great disciples who are now the ones,

6:51

you know, kind of running the show there. So from

6:53

a mission standpoint, it was it was a delight.

6:55

But, uh, but it was a it was also

6:58

a pretty, pretty cold and challenging place.

7:00

Uh, my, my assignment was a lot of young people

7:02

in university ministry. So, uh, as you can

7:04

imagine, college students tend to be,

7:06

uh, well, college students everywhere. Yeah.

7:09

Well, and then I'm sure you attended the Fringe Festival

7:11

in August in Edinburgh, right?

7:13

Oh, yes. Yes, we very much remember

7:15

the festivals and, uh, and they

7:18

were a, uh, an experience.

7:20

He says graciously, I'm quite

7:22

sure. So getting the PhD, you

7:24

could have gone on and got that at gordon-conwell, but

7:26

instead you chose to get the PhD from

7:28

Aberdeen. Why?

7:30

Well, I, I did my doctorate

7:32

of ministry at Gordon-conwell, and I did

7:34

my PhD at Aberdeen alongside

7:37

that experience, because I wanted the

7:40

experience of being pushed a little bit academically

7:42

to do some more thinking about something

7:45

I was already studying practically. And so,

7:47

um, so Gordon-conwell offers a

7:50

an adjunct PhD, but

7:52

this seemed like a better fit for me and I really enjoyed

7:54

my advisor.

7:55

That's cool. So what did you do your dissertation

7:57

on in Aberdeen?

7:58

So I studied the, uh, the nature

8:01

of the Holy Spirit. And so I took

8:03

a long time to look at, uh, how

8:05

the Holy Spirit operated in the life and ministry

8:07

of Christ as a way to develop

8:09

a new and unifying understanding

8:11

of the spirit for the church today.

8:14

I find that, uh, kind of the old

8:16

charismatic versus cessationist arguments,

8:18

uh, seems to be maybe not the best way to to

8:20

think about, uh, the work of the spirit

8:23

in the church today. And so I wanted to go back and ask,

8:25

well, what was the spirit doing in Jesus life and ministry?

8:27

And how can that be a framework for understanding what

8:29

he does in our lives and in our ministries

8:31

today? And so that's what I studied, and that's what I wrote my thesis

8:34

on. Wow.

8:34

Are you ever going to turn that into a book?

8:36

I'm working on it right now. So

8:39

yes, I am. How did I not guess?

8:40

Fabulous. Well, I think we're so confused

8:43

on this. I mean, the Trinity in and of itself for the average

8:45

Christian is befuddling. But when you get

8:47

to the to the Holy Spirit, there are some people

8:49

who just don't even understand that part, that

8:51

it's the person of the Holy Spirit, you know, and

8:53

how it does work in our life today. And then

8:55

we get into these arguments about cessationism.

8:57

So it's fascinating. By the way, I guess I was

8:59

going to be 1,000% accurate. Adam, I'd have

9:01

to call you doctor. Doctor Adam

9:03

Mabry. Right? Because you have to.

9:05

Something like that. Sure.

9:09

When we come back, I want.

9:11

To talk about your book, the Art of rest.

9:13

Faith to hit. That's a great plan.

9:15

Words, by the way. Faith to hit pause

9:17

in a world that never stops. So what

9:19

does the Bible have to say about rest and why

9:21

is it important? And do

9:23

we understand completely why the Lord folded

9:26

that into the human experience?

9:28

Now that we're East of Eden, we're going to talk about

9:30

a lot of things with Adam, and I'm glad you're with us.

9:32

By the way, the book's on my website, so you can check it out

9:34

and you can learn more as well. And I want you

9:36

to learn more about Adam. So I've got a direct link

9:38

to his website as well. The

9:41

Art of rest, Adam Aubrey's brand new book.

9:43

We're going to talk about it right after this. Legalism,

9:56

overemphasis on prosperity, a warped understanding

9:59

of grace. These are just some of the harmful messages

10:01

rampant in the church today. And that's why I've

10:03

chosen mislead as this month's truth tool, learn

10:05

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10:08

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10:10

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art of rest, faith to hit pause

10:25

in a world that never stops. It is

10:27

the book that's new by our friend

10:29

Adam Mabry. Now that I butchered his name

10:32

for the entire first segment of our broadcast,

10:34

to which I apologize, but I did get the name

10:36

of his church, right? He is the founding senior

10:38

pastor of Alethea Church in Boston, Massachusetts.

10:41

So if you're counting along with me, it

10:43

means that Adam has two, of course,

10:45

an undergrad degree, but he's got two master's

10:47

degrees and he has two doctorates.

10:49

Adam, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'm guessing

10:51

you're not the kind of person who does a lot of rest.

10:53

You've got one, two, three, four, five degrees

10:56

and you've written multiple books. Where does rest come

10:58

into your life?

11:00

Yeah, that's more or less what I said

11:02

to the editors at the Good Book Company when they

11:04

asked me to write this book. Uh,

11:06

when they reached out and said, hey, we want you to write a book

11:08

on rest, I said, oh, you must have confused me for

11:10

almost anyone else. Um,

11:12

but, uh, so it was

11:14

interesting. I, uh, I had done

11:16

a teaching series in my church, uh, called

11:19

the Art of Sabbath, and this was a few

11:21

years back, and, um, and we were approaching

11:23

summertime. And, you know, in Boston,

11:25

our largest congregation is in Cambridge, between

11:28

Harvard and MIT, lots of students. And that's

11:30

when the city kind of chills out. And so,

11:32

uh, I thought, well, I'm actually terrible at this.

11:34

I should teach on it. So at least I get better. And, you know,

11:36

maybe it'll help my church. So I,

11:39

uh, I did, and I guess one of the

11:41

editors had heard the sermon, uh, somehow,

11:43

through the magic of the internet and, uh,

11:45

and the whole gist of the book was, hey, I'm terrible

11:47

at this, but if I can learn to get better at it, uh, you

11:50

probably can, too. Um, and so

11:52

that was kind of the the angle they wanted to take. And

11:54

it's true. Um, that's the that

11:56

was the starting point for the whole. For the

11:58

whole study.

12:00

Wow. Will you write with transparency.

12:02

So don't feel like I'm telling tales out of class

12:04

that this really hit you hard, that

12:07

you were really going firing

12:09

on all pistons and kind of hit a wall.

12:11

Talk to me about that.

12:12

Yeah. Um, I've always been just an

12:14

overachiever and had a ton of energy. That's just

12:16

kind of how I came from the factory.

12:19

Um, and don't don't require a lot

12:21

of sleep. And, and so the

12:23

idea of, like, you know, doing lots

12:25

of study or planting churches, you know, that

12:27

that that all sounds very exciting to me. And,

12:29

um, and the way I'd always up to that

12:31

point in my life, gotten through difficult

12:34

seasons was, well, you know, just burn the midnight oil

12:36

a little bit, you know, push, push a little harder and you

12:38

get over the hump and everything will be fine.

12:41

And, uh, we'd come into a season

12:43

where we'd launched a second location

12:45

as a church, and the church was growing, and I

12:47

was finishing one of those degrees. And our,

12:49

our youngest child at the time was about 18

12:52

months old and just not sleeping. And, oh, by

12:54

the way, we bought a house and but it was an old house.

12:56

And so it needed a lot of work. And at

12:58

some point in the in the flurry of

13:00

all the doings and the not stopping,

13:03

um, I just hit a wall and I,

13:05

you know, kind of had a something of a

13:07

small mental emotional breakdown and was like, well,

13:09

you know what? What is this? And so that

13:11

had, you know, lots to do with lots of things. But

13:13

one of the outcomes of that was

13:16

me having to learn the hard way, like, hey, if I don't

13:18

actually practice Sabbath, I'm

13:20

acting in a way that I is beyond

13:22

my design specifications, and I'm going to hurt

13:24

myself and and probably be a

13:26

really, um, underwhelming father and

13:28

husband and pastor. And so, uh,

13:31

the Lord, uh, discipled me in

13:33

the way he often does, which is watching me,

13:35

you know, fall off my bike and asking, okay,

13:37

what did you learn? And and

13:39

in this case, what I learned was, okay.

13:41

Yeah. You were on to something with that whole stop

13:44

every seven or so days.

13:45

Yes, yes. Well, you say

13:47

again, not telling tales out of school, you say depression

13:50

hit hard. My faith was shaken and

13:52

mercifully, God taught me how to rest. And that's just

13:54

what you were saying. Tell me how your faith gets

13:56

got shaken as a result of

13:59

not having rest. I think there's an interesting

14:01

synergy between the two.

14:03

Yeah. Uh, well, so faith

14:05

requires, uh, the the prior

14:07

conviction that God is sovereign and God is savior.

14:10

And in my lack of practicing

14:12

rest, I had, I mean, I would have said,

14:14

yes, I agree with the proposition. God

14:16

is sovereign and God is Savior. But

14:18

you know, what do you really believe is actually evidenced

14:20

in in your actions? Right. And so with with my

14:22

life, I was preaching a very different message than

14:24

I might have with my mouth. And so

14:26

I was not acting faithfully. I wasn't acting

14:29

in faith in a God who actually could run

14:31

the universe. If I took a break and actually

14:33

did save me in my, my

14:36

family and, you know, so, so

14:38

in not resting, I had to come face

14:40

to face with the fact that my faith,

14:43

uh, was not what I thought it was, that

14:45

I was not really trusting God

14:47

with my with my life, with my behavior, with my

14:49

body, uh, in the way that I

14:52

thought I was doctrinally. And that gap

14:54

between, you know, what I, I said I believed

14:56

and what I actually did was really,

14:59

really, um, condemning

15:01

and, uh, difficult for me to

15:03

to face. But once, once

15:05

I did, the Lord began to help me.

15:07

Yeah. And where were the beneficiaries? What

15:09

you learned in that classroom, by the way? So

15:11

you asked the question, and then you give

15:13

an answer. So why don't we stop and you

15:15

say, first, we don't want to believe

15:17

that we truly need rest. Second, we

15:20

wish to outdo the other doers.

15:22

That's. Very simple sentence, but there are two

15:24

profound points. So let me go to the first one

15:26

first. This idea of we don't truly

15:28

need rest. I'm like you. I can keep

15:30

going and going. Don't need a lot of rest. And

15:32

being a typical first born, whatever I do, I have

15:34

to turn in an early end with 15 extra

15:36

credit points. So I understand exactly

15:39

what your approach is toward life. Why

15:41

do we need rest? I mean, the physiological

15:43

seems rather self-evident, but what's

15:46

the theological in the rest?

15:48

Yeah. So that's

15:50

that was part of it. The fascinating thing that I

15:52

learned in this, uh, little journey was

15:55

that that God in the Old Testament gives two

15:57

really foundational theological principles

15:59

behind rest, um, to differentiate

16:02

himself as a good God from all

16:04

of the other false gods of the ancient Near East.

16:07

Uh, and it comes up in the two times that

16:09

the, uh, the commandment to rest are given in

16:11

the Torah. In the first instance in the book

16:13

of Exodus, uh, they're told, look, rest

16:16

because God is the creator.

16:18

He made the world in these

16:20

six days. On the seventh he said, rest like God

16:22

is the one who holds all things together, not you.

16:25

So your resting is because you're not the

16:27

creator and sustainer of the world. And rest

16:29

acknowledges that. Um, but

16:31

in the in the second recitation of

16:33

the same commandment, later on in Deuteronomy,

16:36

a different, uh, a different reasoning is given.

16:38

And the reasoning is because the Lord

16:40

your God delivered you out of the hand of Egypt.

16:42

He's the one who saves. And so

16:44

the idea that we rest because

16:46

God is creator, and this is how he's made

16:48

us, and it's an acknowledgment of our creatureliness

16:51

and his godhood. And

16:53

then the second reason is that we cannot save

16:55

ourselves. Um, and it's a it's a

16:58

weekly reminder, a regular reminder

17:00

that I cannot deliver myself from

17:02

the bondage that I have to

17:05

the false God King of this world and its pantheon

17:07

of wannabe deities. I need a savior.

17:09

And by stopping, I'm actually taking

17:11

a step of faith that God will do

17:13

for me what I cannot do for myself.

17:15

Wow.

17:16

Oh that's rich. I want to pick up on that when we come

17:18

back. Adam Mabry is with us. His new book is called

17:20

the Art of rest, Faith

17:23

and that's an operative word. That's an action word in this

17:25

case, faith. To hit pause

17:27

in a world that never stops again. I've

17:29

got a link to his website as well on my

17:32

information page, just go to In the Market with Janet

17:34

parshall.org. After

17:36

the summation of the two hours that we do every day,

17:38

right underneath you'll see the words program

17:40

details and audio. Click that on takes

17:42

you over to the information page. It'll help you figure

17:44

out how to download the podcast, but also

17:46

you can learn everything you want to know about Adam. The books

17:48

on the right hand side so you can click on through to

17:51

learn how to get your copy, and click through to his website

17:53

to learn more about Adam back after this.

18:03

Adam Mabry is with us, founding senior

18:05

pastor of Alethea Church in Boston, Massachusetts.

18:08

It's a multi-site, diverse church,

18:10

and they are passionate about bringing truth,

18:12

grace, and the changing power of the gospel

18:15

for the glory of God and the good of all people.

18:17

Adam's written several books. His latest is the

18:19

one we're discussing today. It's called the Art

18:21

of rest. Faith to hit

18:23

pause in a world that never stops. So

18:26

two reasons. And this is so rich, I don't want

18:28

to rush past this. First, you posit that

18:30

we don't want to believe that we truly need

18:32

rest, and second, we wish to outdo the other

18:35

doers. I'll come to that part later, but I want to go back to

18:37

something you said before. So we

18:39

read after the Genesis account that God

18:41

rested, which is interesting because

18:43

it's an anthropomorphic argument. God a spirit.

18:46

He wasn't physically worn out after

18:48

creating the world for six days, so

18:50

we can't glean that he needed

18:52

to physically regather his strength. After

18:54

making the world for seven days. You then

18:56

took us to Genesis and you said that the takeaway

18:58

for this is God wants us to remember that

19:01

we can't save ourselves. Ooh,

19:03

something deeper, something broader, something

19:05

richer here. So how

19:07

does the idea that we cannot save ourselves

19:09

tie back into the concept of rest?

19:12

Yeah. Um, it. Imagine

19:15

you're in the ancient Near East and you're sitting

19:17

around a fire and you're hearing the stories of the

19:19

gods communicated by, you know, the

19:21

elders in your in your life. And

19:23

you hear the story of a God who fights

19:25

chaos and accidentally makes

19:27

humans as his slaves. And

19:29

it's our job to serve him so that he can

19:31

live in Paradise. And that's the story you would

19:33

have grown up with. But then imagine you hear a different

19:36

story that God's actually not like that, that

19:38

that there's a God who made humans

19:40

like, with his hands very intentionally and actually

19:42

breathed his own spirit into them and

19:45

doesn't need anything from them, but actually invites

19:47

them into his rest

19:49

and wants to bring them back into heaven,

19:51

that their own foolishness took them

19:53

away from. Uh, that's the story

19:55

that would have gripped the heart of

19:58

God's people as they heard it, uh, coming

20:00

out from their bondage in, in

20:02

Egypt. And that was the context for the giving

20:05

of many of the stories that we have in the Torah.

20:07

And so the commandment to rest

20:09

is very much about, uh, us

20:11

remembering that we worship a very different God

20:14

who doesn't demand our constant service

20:16

for his constant comfort or our constant

20:18

action for the sake of our

20:20

own self salvation.

20:22

It's it's about acknowledging that he's already

20:24

done that and that he's very different than the gods. We're

20:26

prone to serve.

20:27

Well. Okay, so let me tease this out even

20:30

further. So fast forward to the New Testament. So

20:33

the story of the ox that falls in the ditch.

20:35

So if I were looking at this through

20:37

eastern eyes, and I am supposed

20:39

to do something different on the Sabbath,

20:42

and there are things I'm certainly not allowed to do

20:44

on the Sabbath, how would I,

20:46

if God is revealing who

20:48

he is and letting us know the power

20:50

and the character of who he is?

20:52

How do I draw that out of

20:54

this legalistic, restrictive behavior that was

20:56

subscribed to the Sabbath in the New Testament?

20:59

Yeah, I don't know that you could draw it

21:01

from the legalistic behavior subscribed in the in

21:03

the New Testament, or at least from the Pharisees of the New

21:05

Testament, which was very much Jesus

21:07

own critique. Right, right. Um, the

21:09

the Pharisees arose because they, they

21:11

really didn't want another, um,

21:14

another time of God's God's judgment

21:16

where they would be, you know, hauled away into exile.

21:18

Um, and so they put fences around the law and made up

21:20

a whole bunch of new ones. And Jesus very much came

21:23

to recapture the spirit

21:25

of Restfulness, um, that

21:27

that was the gift of God, both

21:29

in the, in the creation story and in the

21:31

Exodus story. And so, yeah, you

21:34

would have wanted to get your ox out of the, the ditch

21:36

on, on that particular in

21:38

that particular scenario. And you and you would

21:40

have wanted to to come to Jesus for a

21:43

learning again what, what Sabbath

21:45

was about, which wasn't a restriction on humanity

21:47

to stop doing a whole bunch of stuff. Otherwise

21:49

something bad was going to happen as much as it was an invitation

21:51

to humanity to stop doing what they would

21:53

normally do, to remember something better that God had

21:55

already made happen. Mhm.

21:57

Wow. So because God

21:59

is purposeful, because every single word

22:01

of Scripture is there on purpose.

22:04

Um, and you really start getting goosebumps

22:06

when you think about that, that he tells us exactly

22:08

what he wants to know. Nothing more, nothing less.

22:10

And there's much more I want to know. But I've got

22:12

an eternity to fill in the gaps. So

22:14

when we read in the New Testament that Jesus is

22:16

napping, that isn't just

22:18

a throwaway line on a biography. Is there

22:21

something more profound there?

22:22

No it's not. It's, uh, it's

22:24

one of those. It's one of those moments where I

22:27

can totally identify with the disciples and would have been really frustrated

22:29

and angry, um, in, in much the

22:31

same way when I'm, like, highly anxious about

22:33

something and someone with way

22:35

more peace and faith in their lives, uh, isn't.

22:38

And I'm kind of like, miffed that they're not

22:40

matching my negative emotional energy at the

22:42

moment. Um, you know, I want them to

22:44

be as frustrated. Come share in my misery. Uh, clearly

22:46

you're not taking this seriously enough. And

22:49

and it's very often, you know, I'm thinking of

22:51

some of my spiritual fathers at the moment, you know, like.

22:53

No, they're just they've lived through more and they've seen

22:55

God do more. They they know God better than

22:57

me, and they trust him and my my

22:59

anxiety and my worry or my feeling

23:01

like I need to get. You know, constantly

23:03

to, uh, to work on a problem

23:06

is actually more symptomatic of my

23:08

lack of trust and failure to remember

23:10

the kind of God I serve.

23:12

And, uh. And. Yeah. No. So Jesus

23:14

resting is in the middle of a storm, for

23:16

goodness sakes. Uh, is is

23:18

precisely what he wanted his disciples

23:21

to see.

23:21

Well, if you go back to what you said before,

23:23

and I think you're spot on that God

23:26

wants us to know that we can't save ourselves.

23:28

Doesn't that get elucidated even more

23:30

profoundly in the middle of a storm

23:32

when God incarnate is taking a nap?

23:35

Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, because

23:37

the risk there of course is like, oh my gosh, if Jesus

23:39

doesn't wake up and save us, the whole salvation program,

23:42

everything God's done from before time

23:44

is going to be lost. You know, for the sake of a,

23:46

you know, a windstorm on on the sea,

23:49

uh, which of course is a silly thing to think about.

23:51

Um, and and God. Very well, very

23:53

well knew that. Um, which is,

23:55

of course, why Jesus, you know, rebukes them.

23:58

Yes. And, uh, and then, of course, calms,

24:00

calms the storm as well.

24:02

But just and I'm thrilled

24:04

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24:06

going to cause my friends listening all across the country to

24:08

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24:11

resting. And you can say, well, he was tired.

24:13

You know, he'd been walking around, he'd been traveling.

24:15

But there was a message. Even in his resting,

24:18

he is still teaching. He is still conveying

24:20

the nature of God. He is still reminding us,

24:23

I've got this. You can't save

24:25

yourself. When we come back at him, I want

24:27

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24:29

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26:01

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them. So in your answer to the question,

26:22

why can't we stop? Why won't we stop? We just

26:24

talked about the fact that we don't want to believe

26:27

that we truly need rest. And you just gave us

26:29

a very, very insightful

26:31

perspective on really, the takeaway

26:33

here is not just the physiological, it is profound

26:36

theology, which is God wants us to know we can't

26:38

save ourselves. The second is

26:40

we wish to outdo the other doers. This

26:42

is this is a sticky wicket,

26:44

as I said before, but it's also

26:46

taffy. I think once you get into this, because

26:49

it's the whole tied in the idea of works,

26:51

that if it's not works, that get you to the cross. For

26:53

a lot of people, it's works that keep you at the

26:55

cross. And the more that you're doing, the more

26:57

fruitful, abundant Christian you are, and

26:59

you can hit the checklist that you're grown

27:01

up. You're mature because you're delivering, delivering,

27:03

delivering, delivering. And I can't stop

27:06

because in so doing, I'm not, you

27:08

know, serving the Lord faithfully and being

27:10

on fire for him. That's a

27:12

biggie for a whole lot of people, because that really

27:14

is a result of starting the trajectory off

27:16

on the wrong point. So talk to me about this.

27:19

Yeah, yeah. So we have

27:21

a culture that optimizes

27:24

to celebrate the doers and

27:26

the achievers. Right. And so 100 years ago,

27:28

you would have signaled your wealth and your status

27:30

by kind of bragging about the vacations you took. But

27:32

now that's very passé. If you really

27:35

want people to know how important you are, you talk about

27:37

how busy you are. And so, um,

27:39

I would challenge the listeners just the next time they're at

27:41

a party or in a small group, just just listen for how

27:43

many times you hear someone say, oh, I'm so busy, or I

27:45

feel so snowed under. It's a way

27:47

that we and probably don't even intentionally

27:49

mean to do this, but we signal our our

27:51

importance to one another based on

27:54

how involved and tired and busy we we seem

27:56

to be. And so this is a this is a thing we celebrate

27:58

on social media. It's a thing that we, you know, we want to

28:00

follow the doers and the achievers. Um,

28:02

and it's a thing that we, uh, we even our

28:04

stream of Christianity, I mean, one of the, one

28:07

of the identifiers of evangelicalism

28:10

as a, as a movement is activism. The

28:12

getting out there and sharing of the gospel and changing

28:14

the world. And so, uh, to a,

28:17

to a culture like ours in the

28:19

United States particularly, and to a, a

28:21

theological stream in that culture like ours, it is

28:23

very difficult to get us to stop

28:25

because we we feel

28:28

like we're doing something wrong, either

28:30

socially we feel like we're not keeping up

28:32

or even spiritually we feel like we're not being

28:34

faithful. And, um, you know,

28:36

of course, the odd listener out there who might be,

28:38

you know, might actually be lazy. You know, maybe this message

28:40

isn't for you, but but for most of us,

28:42

uh, it's it's not the it's

28:44

not the case that that we're we're lazy. It's the case

28:47

that maybe our, uh, our, our

28:49

work is just so constant. We're

28:51

replacing doing things for God

28:53

with with knowing God himself. And those

28:55

those are not always the same thing.

28:57

Mhm.

28:58

So let me throw in a 50 cent word at this

29:00

point. It really is the, the

29:02

entanglement of not understanding ontological

29:04

being. And in fact you use this phrase in the book

29:07

I am what I do. How

29:09

many believers really think that that's it, that

29:11

my measure of my maturity

29:13

and my growth in Christ is the outputs.

29:15

And so we have a hard time just

29:18

putting a period at the end of Jesus Loves

29:20

Me, period. It's always got to be a comma because

29:22

and then we throw in all these things that are tied back to

29:25

something that we've done, thereby belying the whole

29:27

concept of grace right out of the gate. Why

29:29

do we do that? What have we fostered that concept

29:31

in the church? It can't just be poor

29:34

Bible exegesis. Where is this coming from?

29:37

Well, part of it is our culture. You know,

29:39

as I mentioned, it's, uh, I mean, we Americans,

29:41

probably more than any culture I've ever been

29:43

to, studied or heard of, uh, celebrate

29:46

those who get stuff done and

29:48

hard work. Part of it is historical. That's that Protestant

29:51

work ethic that founded this

29:53

particular nation. And and

29:55

then, yeah, uh, we,

29:57

you know, our churches are filled with volunteer

29:59

opportunities and needs and.

30:02

Oh, why don't you do this? And, oh, why don't you partner with us here?

30:04

And, hey, don't forget to bring a covered dish that,

30:06

you know, on Friday, and it can feel

30:08

like there's so many good things to

30:10

say yes to that if we say no to them, we're

30:12

keeping ourselves from something good.

30:15

Uh, when what we refuse to

30:17

remember or fail to see is

30:19

that by saying no, we're actually opening our

30:21

our hands and our hearts to the good thing God wants

30:24

to give us, not the not necessarily the the

30:26

semi-good thing that we feel

30:28

like we need to go grab.

30:29

Well, so is.

30:31

Rest a particular day,

30:34

a particular activity or

30:36

a condition of the human heart?

30:38

Yeah. Well, I mean, the cheater

30:40

answer is yes. Um, and

30:43

there's, you know, there's a disagreement in the

30:45

history of the church about this. There are lots of Christians

30:47

who are Sabbatarian who, who,

30:49

you know, think, okay, it is a particular day and that day

30:51

is Sunday. Uh, that we are to we're to,

30:53

uh, take to rest and and that's fine. That's

30:56

a perfectly historically,

30:58

uh, you know, valid view. I don't particularly

31:00

take that view. Um, and mostly

31:02

because maybe practically because Sunday

31:05

I preach, like four times and teach a bunch of classes

31:07

that doesn't feel restful at all to me.

31:09

Uh, but also,

31:12

I mean, theologically, Jesus. Jesus describes

31:14

himself as the apex or the point of the Sabbath

31:16

commandments. And so I

31:19

believe that, uh, you know, there's this whole category we

31:21

Christians can forget about, uh, between sin and

31:23

not sin. And it's this category called stupid.

31:26

Um, where, you know, we have

31:28

this whole whole, you know, range

31:30

of law and books of wisdom in,

31:32

in the Bible that while we're not,

31:35

you know, they're not the black and white. Okay, do this or

31:37

don't do it and you're sinning, but, you

31:39

know, it is the way God built us

31:41

that if we don't do it, we're not going to live

31:43

well. Um, and so resting,

31:45

I believe, is one of those things that, look, God has built

31:48

the universe with a pattern. This seven day pattern.

31:50

God has built us with this need.

31:52

God has sent Jesus to fulfill it, ultimately.

31:54

But that doesn't get us out from under the the practical,

31:57

living it out faithfully. And so,

31:59

uh, to for me, rest is

32:01

a day. I do actually take a day of rest. It's

32:03

usually Saturday. Um, 90% of

32:05

the time. And, uh, and my

32:07

practices are, you know, described a little bit more in the book,

32:10

but it's, it's, it's doing those things

32:12

that actually give me the space to think on

32:14

and draw near to the Lord, uh, that aren't

32:16

my normal job. Um, and

32:18

since practicing the Art of rest, it's it's

32:20

been quite a delight.

32:22

Wow. What are some of the takeaways? I

32:24

want to ask you about some of the practices in a minute, but

32:26

what are some of the takeaways?

32:29

Um, I am absolutely

32:32

one of those people that feels like

32:34

he's knowing God when he's just doing a lot of

32:36

stuff for him. I mean, I'm totally Martha in the

32:38

story. I don't even like the story of Mary and Martha, and

32:40

I'm a pastor, for goodness sake. Like, I'm just

32:42

like, I could I could do without that one. Jesus. I just

32:44

feel like that's, you know, at some point,

32:46

uh, I'm. I'm still on Team Martha, like,

32:48

you know, but someone has to sweep the floor, you know, and

32:50

clean up the house, like, you know, um,

32:53

and and so for me, the takeaway

32:55

has been, um, constant

32:58

work makes me an

33:00

unpleasant human being and actually really

33:03

violates my witness for Christ.

33:05

You know, I can I can speak and

33:07

teach and write, uh, perfect

33:09

theology. Uh, but if I don't take

33:11

the time to be loved by the God

33:13

I'm thinking about and speaking about and

33:15

teaching about, then my my speaking and

33:17

teaching really has no weight or merit to

33:19

it. Um, and the sermon that I preach with

33:22

my life, if I'm an anxious, hurried mess,

33:24

uh, is just a lot louder than any sermon

33:26

I can preach into the microphone on a Sunday,

33:29

or anything I can say theologically true

33:31

to my, you know, kids or something.

33:33

Uh, and so for me, the takeaway has been like,

33:36

oh God, actually really cares that my

33:38

body is well, and that my,

33:40

uh, that I'm not just a soul like

33:42

an immaterial soul trapped in a meat suit

33:44

that, you know, will one day go to heaven. I

33:46

am my body. God built me

33:48

this way. And I'm going to get a new body in a forever

33:51

future. Uh, and that will be my

33:53

existence. And so living in accordance

33:55

with how God built me is actually

33:57

part of discipleship and part of obedience,

33:59

like a more holistic approach. So for me,

34:01

it really started to unlock a whole way

34:03

of thinking about holistic discipleship, not just

34:06

kind of this frankly gnostic,

34:09

uh, approach to discipleship that only cares about

34:11

the immaterial.

34:12

Yeah. Exactly. Right.

34:14

So to some of the practices,

34:16

how does remembering

34:18

factor into resting?

34:21

Well. We build in rituals

34:23

of remembrance for all kinds of things we want

34:25

to remember, right? We have special days. We have

34:27

holidays. I think of Thanksgiving I talk about

34:30

in the book as my, uh, I mean, it

34:32

shouldn't be my favorite holiday, but but it kind of is,

34:34

um, I just I love the idea of a whole day of

34:36

giving thanks. I love feasting,

34:38

um, and and that's the whole point, uh, a

34:40

day to say to say thank you to the Lord. And,

34:43

you know, remember the good things of, you know, in

34:45

an acute sense, the history of our nation. I,

34:47

I really like that. Um, and

34:49

it's all built around a moment where we stop working

34:52

and we eat too much for

34:54

the purpose of memory. Um,

34:57

so, so just in that one

34:59

example, we see kind of the, the principle

35:01

elucidated. And of course, all throughout the Old Testament,

35:03

God instituted certain holidays,

35:05

which is just a smashing together

35:07

of the word holy days. Um, so

35:10

set apart special days to remember

35:12

something that the regular rhythms

35:14

of life force us to forget.

35:17

Uh, we can't always walk around being constantly

35:20

as grateful as we might be. Or we can't

35:22

always walk around, you know, thinking of the birth of

35:24

Christ or the resurrection or the

35:26

ascension in quite the acute way that it

35:28

deserves. But by setting special time aside,

35:31

by resting from our normal things, we can

35:33

give attention to a really, really, really

35:35

important thing. And the regular habit of rest,

35:38

uh, does that for us. It allows us to

35:40

go, wait. Hold on. I am

35:42

a human being, not a human doing

35:44

I am loved. Prior

35:47

to my work for Christ, I

35:49

am going to come into a future that I

35:51

can't earn or and don't deserve. And

35:53

by stopping, I'm able to

35:55

practically put all of that stuff,

35:58

uh, all of those truths into real,

36:00

uh, tangible, um, memory

36:03

and bring them before my mind, in my heart

36:05

and my body and, and holistically

36:07

live out, I think, what God wants for us.

36:09

Yeah.

36:09

Well, and that connection between

36:12

thinking, believing and acting, so

36:14

that time of quietude where

36:16

I'm remembering what God has done, where

36:18

I develop, uh, a recognition

36:21

of his grace, where I am furthering

36:23

an attitude of gratitude that

36:26

that cannot possibly be compartmentalized

36:28

to a day of rest that has to spill over

36:31

into the entirety of your relationship with

36:33

Jesus Christ. I love this book, and

36:35

there's so much more we've got to discuss, and I'm so

36:37

glad I have more time with Adam Mabry. The book is

36:39

called the Art of rest Faith

36:42

to Hit pause in a world that Never stops.

36:44

I especially love conversations like this because

36:46

they're so antithetical to the roar

36:48

of the culture. But it's the sweet,

36:50

gentle whispers of a God who

36:53

loves us unconditionally back after this.

37:17

Adam Mabry is with us, the author of the

37:19

Art of rest Faith to Hit Pause

37:21

in a World That Never Stops. He

37:23

is the founding senior pastor of Alethea

37:26

Church in Boston, Massachusetts. I

37:28

have a link to his website so you can learn more about the wonderful

37:30

work that his multi-campus, very

37:32

diverse church is doing in the Boston area.

37:35

So there's so much in the book, and

37:37

even though it's small, I told you it's theologically

37:39

rich. So I could talk for hours with Adam about this.

37:41

So I'm having to pick and choose, particularly

37:43

as time flies. But we

37:45

talked about rest and how it allows

37:47

us the opportunity to remember and how I

37:49

think at least that. And in the remembering,

37:52

it spills over to what we think we believe

37:54

and how we act, and therefore has

37:56

a positive impact on our growth and maturity

37:58

and our relationship with the Lord. But you also

38:00

write that Rest restores relationships.

38:03

How does it do that?

38:05

Yeah.

38:06

Um, well, when we're all busy

38:09

doing things that are primarily motivated

38:11

by self and self's needs,

38:13

it's really difficult to be with one another,

38:15

right? Um, I can imagine,

38:17

you know, the listener might imagine going on

38:19

a date with someone that they love and,

38:21

uh, them being on their phone the whole time, you know, managing

38:23

the budget or sending emails. Uh, you

38:26

might have been physically proximate to the person,

38:28

but you're not really with them. Um, and I

38:30

wonder many times if that's not how God feels

38:32

about my time with him. Uh.

38:34

Uh, proximate, yes, but personally connected.

38:37

No. Um, being

38:39

busy all of the time, uh, ruins

38:41

relationships because it limits, um,

38:43

deep connection. You can have shallow connections

38:46

with lots of people and kind of that cocktail

38:48

party pace, but you can't actually

38:51

know and be known. And honestly,

38:54

the busyness of our culture

38:56

is a great way to

38:58

keep people from really knowing you.

39:00

And so if you want to hide, if you want to live

39:02

in a church and seem and feel Christian

39:04

but don't want to be, I don't know,

39:07

held accountable or uh, uh,

39:09

truly discipled and ever have the chance

39:11

to be, you know, rebuked or challenged, uh, just

39:13

volunteer for everything, uh,

39:16

and be too busy for for anyone.

39:18

And that's a way you can kind of

39:20

do it. And honestly, it's a way I

39:22

did it for a long time. Um,

39:24

and, and rest forces

39:26

me to slow down and make time for others. And,

39:29

uh, you know, of course, particularly my, my wife

39:31

and children, um, you know, but beyond

39:33

that, my, my friends who can really tell me what they

39:35

really think and, uh, you

39:37

know, we don't always want to hear that.

39:39

Huh? You know, it's interesting. I heard someone

39:41

teach years and years and years ago, and it was

39:44

an impactful message because I still remember the thesis

39:46

of what he was saying to this day, which is in

39:48

the United States, and particularly we live without margins.

39:50

And what he meant by that, I think, is exactly what

39:53

you just said, which is there's no breathing room.

39:55

So the idea of developing a relationship

39:57

takes time. The Bible says in order to have friends,

39:59

one must show themselves friendly, right? So you have

40:01

to actually invest in a

40:03

relationship that takes time.

40:05

If you don't have any margins, you don't have the time

40:07

to do something like that. So this

40:10

is a volitional choice, it seems to

40:12

me. In fact, this whole conversation is volitional when you

40:14

think about it, isn't it?

40:15

Oh, absolutely. I watch,

40:18

um, in my ministry, men and women go from

40:20

that, you know, magical time of, you know, being

40:22

an undergrad to, you know, early adulthood.

40:24

And many of them struggle with loneliness because

40:27

they don't realize that after the, the, you

40:29

know, the very fake kind of life you

40:31

live in, in college. And what I mean by that is,

40:33

you know, a bunch of people in the same age forced to live close

40:35

to one another, like, of course, you'll make friends there,

40:37

uh, because your life is, you know, rubbing up

40:39

against a bunch of other people's lives. But

40:41

when you get out there in the real world, if you want to have friends,

40:44

it takes an incredible amount of time, intentionality

40:46

and and in some cases, even like financial investment

40:49

just to spend time together.

40:51

And our whole culture kind of marshals

40:54

against that very often.

40:55

Yeah. Well, so let me go full circle

40:57

to something you said at the beginning. So if your biggest

40:59

campus is Cambridge, how does

41:01

the message unrest resonate with kids

41:03

who have a term paper that's due by the end of

41:06

the week, or they're trying to come up with

41:08

the idea for what their dissertation is going to

41:10

be, or they've got to really cram an

41:12

extra study time while going to class because that

41:14

big test is coming up. In other words, if

41:16

there's ever an area where busyness is the

41:18

watchword for your existence at the moment, it has

41:20

to be a student's life. So how did they receive this?

41:23

Uh, well, they receive it about

41:25

as well as I did. Um, and

41:27

then very often they

41:29

will have to learn the same way

41:31

that that I did. Um, some of

41:33

them, of course, actually take the message. But, you

41:36

know, we so, so much of this is

41:38

caught more than it's taught. And what it's

41:40

done is in the church that they, uh,

41:42

so many of them attend from these universities.

41:44

The one I pastor, we, we

41:46

try to model like, hey, you can

41:48

get a lot done for God, but

41:50

who you are matters so much more than what you do. And

41:53

so even by not

41:55

highlighting, I mean, we want to be excellent,

41:57

but we tell our volunteers like, uh, you

41:59

matter more than what you do here. And if you can't serve

42:01

on a Sunday because you need to be served, that's

42:03

1,000%. Okay, just let us know. Um,

42:06

you know, you're the the quote

42:08

unquote worship experience is not as important

42:10

as actual worship.

42:13

Um, that actually honors God. And

42:15

so, uh, we try and are

42:17

trying more to model

42:19

a church culture that doesn't

42:22

that appreciates what they do very much. I mean, of

42:24

course, there's a huge mission to get done. Um, but

42:26

that also models a lot of fun and, and

42:28

restfulness and Sabbath and joy

42:31

in the midst of doing a really important

42:33

work. And that holding that tension together

42:35

of resting really well and working really hard

42:37

is, well, hard. But I

42:39

think it's in that tension that we actually forge something

42:41

really cool.

42:42

I think.

42:43

You're right. I think you're so right. So you

42:45

get to the part of the book where you say, this is the chapter

42:47

we've been waiting for, and it's true because this is the pragmatics

42:49

now. So I and you use the word

42:52

Gnostic before. And so when we think of

42:54

having this rest period, I don't

42:56

know, I think to the postmodernists, the idea

42:58

that comes to mind as you're sitting in a cave somewhere

43:00

in sackcloth and you've

43:02

really rested because you've unplugged all of your electronic

43:05

devices and you're going to be in a solitary

43:07

lotus position. I'm pretty sure

43:09

that's not what we're talking about. So. Well,

43:11

how does one approach this idea if they really

43:13

want to get serious about the art of rest?

43:16

Well, uh, putting down the smart device

43:18

would be a really good start. But

43:20

the the second thing that they should really think

43:22

about doing is, is what could

43:25

they stop doing in order

43:27

to be with God? And what are the kinds of things

43:29

that they do in order to advocate

43:31

or work without it feeling

43:33

like work? Um, God is

43:36

a delightful God, and he laughs and has

43:38

fun with his creatures and,

43:40

uh, he wants very much to do that with us.

43:42

And so that can't all be accomplished in a lotus

43:44

position. But stopping to read and pray is a good

43:46

start.

43:48

Oh, Adam, there's so much more. Thank you so

43:50

much for a very theologically rich

43:52

conversation. And I hope at a minimum,

43:54

friends, we've got you thinking more deeply about this

43:56

concept of rest. Why is it in Scripture?

43:58

Why are we commanded to do that? How

44:00

do we put this into practice? What are the

44:03

things we can glean from the

44:05

art of rest? And how do we start? As Adam

44:07

was just saying at the end of our conversation, and

44:09

there's tons more in this small

44:11

but very rich book. Again, it's

44:13

called the Art of rest. Faith

44:15

to hit pause in a world that never stops.

44:18

The author. Our guest this hour, Adam

44:20

Mabry. I've got a link to his personal website,

44:22

and I want you to learn more about the work

44:24

that he is doing through Alicia in the Boston

44:26

area. So check it all out. It's there. By

44:28

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44:49

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44:51

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44:53

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