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Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet

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Parshall. It's Heart to Heart Friday,

2:15

where Craig and I share some of the stories making

2:17

headlines this week. And then we'll offer

2:19

our insight and analysis. If you'd

2:21

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2:23

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That's (877) 548-3675.

2:31

Now let's take a quick look back at some of the other

2:33

topics we discussed this week.

2:41

First of all, we have to remember nobody

2:43

is fully committed. The only person

2:45

who was ever fully committed to the father was

2:48

Jesus. We, none of us, even

2:50

those who reached the highest levels of holiness

2:52

or are conformed to the image of Jesus,

2:55

still struggle, still have doubts,

2:57

still commit sin. So nobody is

2:59

fully committed. So the answer to your question

3:01

is yes. Of course there are varying levels of

3:03

commitment, but I think what Jesus is

3:05

saying is he's saying, I want you to look at your life and

3:07

tell me, do you value anything

3:10

above your love and adoration

3:13

of me?

3:14

Yeah, well, Jesus declared

3:16

all foods clean in the New Testament

3:18

and that we can as

3:20

long as we're receiving the food. With

3:22

Thanksgiving, it's to

3:25

be enjoyed. And and that's

3:27

whether it's a kale shake or a chocolate

3:29

shake, that both kinds

3:31

of foods are gifts from God. And I think

3:33

in our culture today, yeah, we can easily

3:35

demonize food and we can assign,

3:38

you know, morality to it. And I think

3:40

the danger with that is also then that

3:42

morality gets assigned to us, like,

3:44

I'm going to pass, I'm being good today,

3:46

so I'm going to pass on the plate of brownies

3:48

or, you know, I'm being really bad.

3:50

I just I just ate a McDonald's hamburger

3:53

so we can, you know, cause

3:55

shame for ourselves by what

3:57

we've eaten. And in the Bible, there

3:59

is no food, morality. All

4:01

of it's considered clean.

4:03

The World Health Organization. Now, you might say,

4:05

well, the band by 2050, right. Or band

4:07

by 2040. No. They said they want to ban

4:09

it by next year. Oh 2025

4:12

these guys are in a fantasy world and

4:14

it's not for a health reason. Uh,

4:17

the head of the World Health Organization said

4:19

that we must begin to shift to plant and insect

4:21

based foods in order to save

4:23

the planet from global warming.

4:25

The word sleep is sometimes used of

4:27

death, but that applies only to the body.

4:29

The body is said to sleep in death only because

4:32

it appears to be sleeping. Your

4:34

spirit or your soul does not sleep

4:36

or go unconscious. The word

4:39

for death is Thanatos in the Greek, and it

4:41

indicates separation. And

4:43

at the moment of death, your spirit slips out of

4:45

the body just as easily as a hand slips

4:47

out of a glove. And if you're

4:49

a Christian, your spirit goes immediately into

4:51

the Lord's presence. Uh, Paul

4:53

said in Philippians 121 to 23

4:55

that he desired he desired to depart

4:57

and be with Christ. And likewise in second

5:00

Corinthians five eight, Paul said that

5:02

to be away from the body is to be at

5:04

home with the Lord in heaven.

5:06

The kids who had no religion that

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wasn't right to impose

5:11

this on them and coerce them into

5:13

this kind of, uh, religious

5:15

training and indoctrination. And I

5:17

don't know what you know about TM, but

5:19

it's worldwide. Yeah.

5:21

And they have ongoing courses. So you

5:24

get involved in this on,

5:26

uh, the basic level,

5:28

and then you're sucked in throughout

5:30

your life in some cases,

5:33

uh, into participating in this. And so,

5:36

uh, this was a,

5:38

a fishing ground for, for them

5:41

to get students into their college

5:43

and into the practice of TM

5:46

and then spread it around.

5:49

It's hard to heart Friday. Here are some of the

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other stories making headlines this week.

5:54

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

5:56

says Israel will do what's necessary

5:59

to win the war and defeat its enemies.

6:02

Any deal to end the fighting

6:04

without defeating Hamas is

6:06

a non-starter.

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At least 42 people have been killed

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in floods in Kenya's central Maimako

6:12

area after a dam burst

6:14

early on Monday.

6:15

The major development causing this uproar

6:17

came when the administration redefined

6:20

sex in title nine to

6:22

include gender identity, or

6:24

an individual's sense of their gender.

6:27

It's hard to hurt Friday on in the market

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Who? Yep,

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that's the sound of Halloween wolves. And the Bible

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says you're going to hear that more and more in

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these latter days. So we're going

7:38

to take a look at what we're seeing as the degradation

7:41

of the gospel, the abandonment of

7:43

the inerrancy of the Word of God. And

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it's a good case study, by the way, when

7:47

you decide to do what the culture wants,

7:49

when you decide that you want to feed

7:52

Paganistic ideas rather

7:54

than serve the altar of the Lord, you

7:56

end up having chaos. And so I say that just by

7:58

way of background, and I say it only because

8:00

this is a current news event

8:02

that happened this week. So let me just give you a little church

8:05

history. By way of background,

8:07

you probably know who John Wesley

8:09

is. His brother was Charles Wesley, his

8:11

mama was Susanna Wesley. And

8:13

why Wesley is so significant is

8:16

because he was an English cleric.

8:18

He was a theologian, and he was, in every

8:20

sense of the word, an evangelist who

8:22

was a leader of the revival

8:24

movement within the Church

8:27

of England. It was called Methodism

8:29

at the time. Now, crash course, this won't

8:31

be on the test. Besides that grave grade on a curve

8:33

anyway, so Henry the Eighth

8:35

commits rampant adultery. He.

8:38

At that time Rome was as much

8:40

of a governing figure as a king was. And so

8:42

Henry got his t's crossed in, his

8:44

I's dotted when Rome gave him the thumbs

8:46

up or the thumbs down. Of course, according

8:48

to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, you could

8:51

not marry a Catholic,

8:53

and you certainly couldn't get divorced. You could

8:55

not divorce by any stretch of

8:57

the imagination. So Henry marries

8:59

a Catholic queen. She doesn't give him

9:01

the male heir that survives. She goes, I

9:03

know he goes. If I just had a different wife,

9:05

I'd be able to take care of it. So he moves away from

9:07

Catherine of Aragon, and he goes to Anne Boleyn

9:10

after having an affair with Anne's sister.

9:12

By the way, the man had no moral

9:14

parameters whatsoever. And so he

9:16

has this affair with Anne Boleyn because she makes

9:18

the promise, not understanding biology. I

9:20

can give you a male heir note to file.

9:22

You skip bio class, and it's

9:25

the man that determines the biology. So

9:27

long story short, for him to get

9:29

into Anne's world and out

9:31

of Catherine's world, he had to get a divorce.

9:33

The Pope goes, nope. No way, no how.

9:35

Ain't doing it whatsoever. So then

9:38

Henry goes back because when he married

9:40

Catherine of Aragon, Catherine of Aragon was married

9:42

originally to Henry's brother, who

9:44

was not unlike his son to be

9:46

Edward Weekly. The brother

9:49

dies. Henry marries

9:51

his brother's widow, Catherine

9:53

of Aragon, and she rules

9:56

for 17 plus years, and

9:58

they do have a daughter. Her name is Mary.

10:00

She goes on to get the dangerous

10:02

moniker of Bloody Mary because of the number of Protestants

10:04

she set on fire. She was very much

10:07

a practicing Catholic, and if

10:09

you did not subscribe to

10:11

the priests and what they believed,

10:14

then you paid a price literally for your life.

10:16

So Henry has this schism

10:18

between Catherine and Anne, and

10:20

the Pope says no. So what does Henry decide to do?

10:22

I know he said, I'm going to start my own church and

10:24

we'll call it, he says with no lack of hubris.

10:27

The Church of England and

10:29

I shall be the titular head of the

10:31

Church of England, and it will grant

10:33

me a divorce. So, Abracadabra, out of sexual

10:35

immorality comes the Church of

10:37

England. Um, so it continues

10:40

for a while. It's continued to this day, and

10:42

as of this day, the current reigning

10:44

monarch of the UK is likewise

10:46

the titular head of the Church of England.

10:49

And so there's this interesting intersection

10:51

between the Church of England and government

10:53

in the United Kingdom that hasn't changed at all.

10:55

But in the morass of all of this,

10:57

John and his brother Charles said, you know,

11:00

something's amiss now. Henry's

11:02

back several hundred years earlier,

11:04

in the mid 1700s, they

11:06

said, something's wrong within the Church of England.

11:08

We need revival within the Church of England.

11:11

There was the beginning of tapping down a biblical

11:13

authority. There was the moving away

11:15

from what Scripture had to say as

11:17

inerrant and transcendent and

11:20

immutable. And so they wanted to go

11:22

back and challenge and started this revivalist

11:24

movement in the UK. And it spread.

11:27

And that was the birth of Methodism.

11:29

So remember that Methodism came

11:31

as a result of the church of England moving

11:34

away from the scriptures.

11:36

That's an important point, and it's one

11:38

that cannot be missed. In light of what just

11:40

took place this week at the United

11:43

Methodist Conference. Now, just

11:45

by way of background, the United Methodist

11:47

Conference got together. They had votes on several

11:49

issues, and they voted Wednesday of

11:51

this week to repeal

11:54

a long standing prohibition on

11:56

gay clergy. So as of this

11:58

conference ending this week, homosexuals

12:01

can serve in the pulpit

12:03

as clerics in the

12:05

Methodist Church. Don't miss the irony. So sexual

12:07

immorality is the catalyst for forming the Church of England.

12:10

Wesley comes along moves for revival within

12:12

the Methodist church. We've got the current United Methodist

12:14

Church and it's costing them.

12:16

Oh, where are John and Charles now when

12:19

we need them? So this moves comes

12:21

as the church has lost about a quarter

12:23

of its congregations over the last five

12:25

years, the vast majority of which

12:27

made the decision to leave based on the church's

12:29

refusal. To enforce its

12:32

prohibition against LGBT

12:34

clergy and same sex marriages. In

12:36

all, more than 7600

12:40

churches in the US alone

12:43

have left the denomination since 2019.

12:46

That is a floodgate of exodus

12:49

out of the Methodist Church. Now let me pause.

12:51

I'm just doing the flyover. I'm sure there are

12:53

very within the parameters of the Methodist

12:55

church. Within the sound of my voice, even there

12:57

are committed, Bible believing,

12:59

born again, spirit filled, Christ

13:02

honoring, word applying Methodist. Amen.

13:04

Thank you. May your tribe increase. We

13:06

are talking about governance of a church

13:08

here. We're not talking about individuals.

13:10

We are talking about governance of the church.

13:12

And their governance has gone

13:14

bad. Now I want you to hear

13:16

I've got tons of audio. I don't even know if I'm going to be able

13:19

to play all of it. But I want you to hear, as they had

13:21

their opening ceremonies, I

13:23

want you to hear some of the directives that

13:25

the attendees as the at the conference were

13:27

given. Have a listen.

13:28

The interagency sexual ethics

13:30

Task Force of the United Methodist

13:33

Church, which consists of members

13:35

from across the general agencies and

13:37

annual conferences, has created

13:39

a code of conduct for this

13:41

General Conference with the following

13:44

guiding principles for use

13:46

in holy conferencing. Love.

13:49

Justice.

13:51

Kindness.

13:52

Accountability.

13:54

Integrity.

13:55

Respect.

13:56

Dignity. Remember,

13:59

friends, monitoring is not

14:01

policing. It is challenging

14:04

us to have self-awareness

14:06

and inviting us to care for

14:08

others. In addition to

14:10

these guiding principles, be mindful

14:12

of the following boundaries.

14:14

Personal space. We

14:17

are a diverse body

14:19

with differing levels of comfort

14:21

in social situations. As

14:23

you recall during Covid 19 protocols,

14:26

we learned the concept of social

14:28

distancing. Personal space

14:30

can cause others to feel

14:33

concerns for safety or

14:35

feel intimidated. Honor

14:38

each other's personal space.

14:40

Do not touch another

14:42

person without permission,

14:45

including hugging.

14:47

Language. Be

14:50

respectful of the choice of language

14:52

that is used, including

14:54

avoiding exclusively male language

14:57

for God. Be conscious

14:59

of inferred power dynamics. For

15:01

example, if titles are used for

15:03

one group of people, they should be used

15:05

for everyone. Violent

15:08

language, threats,

15:10

gestures, harassment,

15:12

sexualized language, or innuendo

15:15

is never allowed and

15:18

will not be tolerated.

15:22

Spiritual. As we

15:24

engage in a diversity of opinions

15:26

throughout our deliberations,

15:28

I'm reminded of John Wesley's statement

15:31

think and let think. As

15:34

delegates, we have different perspectives.

15:36

Let us be respectful, even

15:38

when we disagree, as it honors

15:41

God and builds community.

15:43

Finally, should you have a concern or

15:45

complaint that you have been

15:47

on, or you have observed someone

15:50

else being a victim of any

15:52

form of harassment, including sexual

15:54

harassment, you should report

15:56

that incident to the Secretary

15:58

of General Conference at the Office

16:01

of General Conference in Room 103.

16:03

Also know that our monitors,

16:06

they are here to assist their the

16:08

helpers and they will direct

16:10

you with reporting and walk alongside

16:12

you should it be needed.

16:14

Okay, I'm going to step in at this point. Now,

16:16

you would think that this was the start of a rugby

16:19

match. The way they have all of these ground

16:21

rules, the personal, the language,

16:23

the spiritual part of this. But I think you

16:25

got enough of the drift to see what

16:27

this is all about. And again, the monitors

16:30

are people who are there so that you can

16:32

report to them. If somebody uses a wrong pronoun,

16:35

if somebody continually uses male language

16:37

to refer to God, so they're there.

16:39

The tattle tellers, I guess you would have to say

16:41

at the conference. Craig, your reaction?

16:43

Ecclesiastical Gestapo, perhaps

16:46

with no enforcement ability. Um,

16:48

you mentioned the thousands of churches that

16:51

have made decisions to

16:53

leave the United Methodist

16:55

denomination. Uh, let

16:57

me just take one of them. And

16:59

that was the Wesleyan or

17:01

the Wesley Memorial Methodist

17:04

Church in High Point, North

17:06

Carolina, historic church that goes back to,

17:08

I think, 1856.

17:10

Uh, and they have been joined by hundreds

17:13

of Methodist denominations

17:15

just within the state of North Carolina. This

17:17

is a huge issue. It's it's it's a huge

17:20

issue because it's not about the gay issue.

17:22

It is about the Bible issue.

17:24

It's about the inerrancy of

17:26

Scripture as the guide for conduct

17:29

and belief. Either it is

17:31

or it isn't. Well, and.

17:32

When you see again the declaration be conscience

17:34

of power dynamics. Don't use male

17:37

language only for referring to God. Remember,

17:39

this is the opening session that was audio that I

17:41

just played. They were setting the groundwork

17:43

for what would be some of the eventual outcomes

17:45

back after this.

18:05

Today we are hypocrites.

18:07

If we celebrate resiliency

18:09

without acknowledging that the church

18:12

has been complicit in supporting

18:14

a pedagogy of patriarchy

18:16

that fuels a hermeneutic of hubris,

18:19

while too often refusing to dismantle

18:22

systems of domination.

18:30

Beloved, until we preach, teach,

18:32

mentor, counsel, covenant, sing,

18:35

live, vote, huh, vote,

18:39

and elect in

18:42

alignment with the principle that there

18:44

is no longer Jew or Greek,

18:46

bond or free, male

18:48

and female. But we are all one in

18:51

Christ Jesus our Lord. Then we are

18:53

living beneath the life, teaching

18:55

and very being of Jesus,

18:58

the Jesus that we purport to follow.

19:00

Until we acknowledge and affirm

19:02

that each human being is whole,

19:05

complete and

19:08

equal, endowed with agency and

19:10

autonomy, we betray our adherence

19:12

to God's Word and its core

19:14

upon corresponding precepts.

19:16

For we have stated that

19:19

we reject societal

19:21

norms that assume different standards

19:23

for partners in marriage.

19:26

Our very social principles

19:28

reject complementarianism

19:30

over egalitarianism. So

19:33

let us be clear

19:35

until we stop errantly teaching

19:38

that the abused must remain

19:40

in their abusive marriages, we

19:42

are co-conspirators in their

19:44

bondage, and we have

19:47

their blood on our hands until

19:49

we stop turning a blind eye to

19:52

missing and murdered indigenous women.

19:54

We are participants in their

19:56

peril. Until we stop

19:58

insinuating that there is something

20:00

wrong with individuals who are

20:02

gay, lesbian, transgender,

20:04

bisexual, or queer, we are

20:06

complicit in their harm.

20:10

That's a female bishop speaking at the United

20:12

Methodist Conference that has just concluded

20:14

supporting a pedagogy of patriarchy.

20:17

And then she talks about

20:19

how it cannot be a complementarian position

20:22

or an egalitarian position. It must be

20:24

so interesting because this is a robust

20:26

conversation within the church today.

20:28

And that has to do with who

20:30

is the titular head of the church, who is

20:32

the pastor of a church. And this

20:34

female is basically saying that the United

20:36

Methodist Church needs to support the idea

20:38

of egalitarianism, as she is there

20:41

in her religious garb as a female

20:43

bishop. Craig, your thoughts?

20:44

Yeah. Look, egalitarianism,

20:48

when it finds its way in

20:50

these kind of discussions, in church

20:52

meetings, conferences and

20:54

doctrinal disputes, I

20:56

think is is a problem. And

20:59

the reason it's a problem is because

21:01

egalitarianism began not

21:03

as a biblical principle, but as a

21:05

sociological movement trying

21:07

to create social change

21:10

and leveling the playing field

21:12

so that certain groups were

21:14

perceived to be and treated as

21:16

equal to other groups. Well, the fact

21:19

is that Jesus didn't come as an egalitarian.

21:21

In fact, if you look at Scripture, he came

21:24

not only as the Son of God, but

21:26

someone who really,

21:29

uh, spoke about and

21:31

emulated the idea that the believer's

21:33

relationship with Christ

21:36

as the Messiah was

21:38

the bride and the church,

21:41

and he was he. He is

21:43

the betrothed. The

21:45

father and Son is a picture

21:47

of family. So the structure

21:49

is not of a sociological,

21:52

uh, community that's going to be built out

21:54

of Christianity. But rather

21:56

are we emulating the father's

21:58

relationship with the Son of Obedience

22:01

from the son to the father and the father's

22:03

love for the son, and likewise

22:06

the son's sacrificial

22:08

love for us on the cross

22:10

and our being members

22:13

of the church, the body of Christ

22:15

over which he is head. That's

22:17

the structure, not a political

22:20

or sociological movement of

22:23

so-called equality. Because once

22:25

you start down that path, then you simply

22:27

go to say, oh,

22:29

am I, for instance, as a woman,

22:32

am I being treated equally

22:34

if I can't be a pastor and a

22:36

pastor teacher? Because if I

22:38

can't, then I'm not equal, then

22:40

this is a violation of egalitarianism.

22:43

Well, let's start first of all with biblical

22:45

theology, not sociology.

22:47

And what I'm seeing, unfortunately,

22:50

is a willful blindness.

22:52

In fact, if you go to chapter nine

22:55

of the Gospel of John, a familiar

22:57

episode, we those of us

22:59

who read Scripture, we remember it. It's the blind

23:02

man. He's been blind since birth. His

23:04

parents are still alive and

23:06

Jesus heals him. He

23:09

heals him on the Sabbath. That's number one

23:11

problem for the ruling religious class,

23:13

because you're not supposed to do that on

23:15

the Sabbath. But the bigger issue is

23:18

that he heals the blind man, the Pharisees,

23:20

the ruling elite class, find out about

23:22

it, and they go to the guy

23:24

and they say, okay, what is

23:26

this? How did he do it? Who did it?

23:29

Accusing him rather than finding

23:31

out the facts. Not

23:34

satisfied with the fact that he said, look,

23:36

this man named Jesus, he touched me. He

23:38

put some mud together, put it on my eyes. He told

23:40

me to wash, I washed, I

23:42

see I've been blind since they said no. You're

23:45

lying. You weren't blind

23:47

since birth. We're going to hunt your parents

23:49

down. So they go and they hunt down the parents

23:51

and they say, okay, they do a shakedown.

23:53

Tell us this guy. No, no.

23:55

He was. I don't know anything about the healing, you know, they

23:58

know they're about to be thrown out of the synagogue. Right.

24:00

But all but it is true.

24:02

He was blind at birth. Suddenly.

24:04

Go back to this blind man

24:06

who now sees again and interrogates

24:08

him. He finally says. And it's either

24:11

his honestly saying,

24:14

do you really want to be disciples? Or

24:16

it's a little bit of a jab, a

24:18

little humor. They're saying, you know, you keep

24:20

asking me the same question about Jesus. Maybe

24:23

you want to be a disciple of his too. And

24:25

at that point they they explode.

24:27

Willful blindness appears

24:29

at the end of that chapter when Jesus says

24:31

to the Pharisees, he said,

24:34

because you think you're seeing

24:36

things, but you aren't. You're

24:38

blind. But this blind

24:40

man now, he believes in me.

24:43

Now he's seeing not just physically

24:45

but spiritually. Spiritual blindness

24:48

is what's happening behind the scenes.

24:51

We're going to take a break and come right back. This

24:53

is in the market with Janet Parshall. That's Craig

24:55

Parshall.

24:55

More topics after this.

25:05

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25:07

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25:39

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25:42

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25:45

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it of. Please

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warm us by the.

26:01

A Song of Peace

26:03

is sung by all

26:05

shrank rows from

26:07

you. The

26:12

day we sell a.

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diversity.

26:21

And we're not seeing

26:23

each other. So

26:26

we got the million.

26:31

Rejoicing

26:33

in the. In

26:36

differences. We.

26:40

So this was a hymn that was sung

26:42

at the United Methodist Conference that basically

26:44

celebrates the fact that all faiths

26:47

lead to God, all faiths lead

26:49

to God. Can we not sing each other's songs,

26:52

speak unfamiliar prayer, rejoicing

26:55

in the riches found in differences we share?

26:57

Of course, set to a very much

26:59

beloved ancient hymn. So compare

27:02

that again with John Wesley. Again,

27:04

if you missed our side of our conversation,

27:06

we are being good Bereans. We are testing

27:09

all things. And remember, the Bereans were testing

27:11

Paul, not the pagans. So we're

27:13

simply looking at the ideas being advanced

27:16

at the Leadership conference,

27:18

the United States United Methodist Conference,

27:21

and comparing it to what the scriptures have to

27:23

say. Let me say it again. If you're just now joining us within

27:25

the parameters of those who practice Methodism,

27:28

I'm quite sure that there are people who

27:30

have confessed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord

27:32

and believed in their heart that God has raised him from the dead.

27:35

They are Christ following,

27:37

Christ honoring, spirit filled, adhered to

27:39

his word and absolutely love

27:41

his principles and his precepts. We are talking

27:43

about the governance here, and

27:45

the governance is a problem because since

27:47

2019, the United Methodist Church

27:50

has lost 7600

27:53

churches. It is a mass exodus. Why?

27:55

Because they're being fed cold

27:58

pablum, not the word

28:00

of God, Wesley said. Give me 100

28:02

preachers who fear nothing but sin and

28:04

desire nothing but God, and I care

28:07

not whether they be clergy or laymen.

28:09

They alone will shake the gates of hell

28:11

and set up the kingdom of heaven upon

28:13

earth. He's talking about every believer

28:15

who knows what the gospel message is and

28:17

is unashamed to proclaim it.

28:20

And now we have today, Craig, in

28:22

a post Wesleyan World

28:24

the United Methodist Conference, singing about

28:26

all faiths lead to God. Let's

28:29

just sing each other's song.

28:31

They sing whimsically. Your thoughts?

28:33

Well, you know, I was talking about willful

28:35

blindness. Blindness that

28:38

I think was the theme of what Jesus was

28:40

talking to the Pharisees about in

28:42

the Gospel of John chapter nine.

28:45

It is a matter of

28:47

deliberately turning away

28:49

from what you feel uncomfortable

28:51

about the truth, to embrace

28:53

what the culture says we

28:56

can make you comfortable about. Obviously,

28:59

the issue of gay rights

29:01

has been around since the 20th century

29:04

and before. And by the way, homosexuality

29:06

is nothing new. The apostle Paul was

29:08

very clear about it in Romans

29:11

that it was an issue back then,

29:13

and I think Scripture is clear enough on

29:15

it. And we you know, you've had guests

29:17

on who do a better job than I would

29:19

to be able to explicate the

29:22

truth of Scripture as saying

29:24

that is not God's design

29:26

for sexuality. It is one

29:28

man, one woman in marriage

29:30

in terms of intimacy and sexual

29:33

relationships. So

29:35

Scripture taking Scripture as

29:38

as clear on

29:40

that issue, walking away from

29:42

it, yet wanting to hang on to

29:44

the semblance and the symbols,

29:46

uh, of Christianity

29:50

is, in my humble opinion,

29:53

a willful exercise

29:56

of blindness to what is clear

29:58

in Scripture. It is a spiritual

30:01

issue. It is a integrity

30:03

issue. Uh, if you feel

30:05

uncomfortable with what Scripture says about it

30:08

and you can't embrace it, then

30:10

why call yourself a Christian? Why

30:12

not say, time for a new religion?

30:15

But Jesus was very clear that

30:17

he was going to bring a sword, and

30:19

the Word of God is a sword,

30:22

and it separates truth from

30:24

delusion. And by the way, humans,

30:26

all of us, have a tendency

30:29

to embrace a comfortable delusion

30:31

when it gives us the appearance

30:34

that we don't have to be uncomfortable

30:36

with the truth, the Scripture. We have

30:38

to fight that as believers

30:40

because, uh, the

30:42

flesh wants us to

30:44

bow to comfort and

30:46

conformity. And the spirit

30:48

says you need to understand

30:51

and follow what the truth is. Um.

30:53

So, again, they made the decision

30:55

that they would repeal a prohibition

30:58

for homosexuals to serve in

31:00

the clergy. Now, to go exactly what you said.

31:02

And we're not being hired. You go through life with

31:04

the Bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other.

31:06

And if there's a contradiction, the adherence is to

31:08

the scriptures, not to what the culture is roaring.

31:11

So the Bible makes very clear that marriage

31:13

is defined as one man and one woman.

31:15

The Bible makes very clear that any sexual

31:17

expression outside the parameters

31:19

of that unit, defined as marriage, and

31:22

exemplified by one man and one woman,

31:24

is sin, premarital sex,

31:26

extramarital sex, homosexual sex,

31:29

uh, repetitive, uh, adultery,

31:31

pornography, the list goes on and on and on. It's crystal

31:33

clear. It's not hard. God is

31:35

not the author of confusion. He is the father

31:37

who does not frustrate his children. He is

31:39

not willing that any should perish. He lays

31:41

it out clearly and simply. So they

31:44

decided that it was a good idea at the United Methodist

31:46

Church to roll back that prohibition. This goes

31:48

it follows on the heels, by the way, of that clip we

31:51

aired earlier about egalitarianism and

31:53

the point that you were impliedly stating, and I think

31:55

it's a salient one, is when you begin

31:57

to expand the parameters to fit something

31:59

that you think is culturally apropos

32:02

and is under the guise of diversity, inclusion,

32:04

kindness, compassion, whatever adjective you want to

32:06

use, you also open up the

32:08

gates to be able to say, we can plug in anything

32:10

we want. So if we feel that we can have a female

32:13

bishop as the head of our church, the next

32:15

thing you know, it's not a problem at all to say we want

32:17

an unrepentant homosexual to be

32:19

sitting in that office.

32:21

It's an excellent, right? It's an exercise of

32:23

new sociology rather than biblical

32:25

theology.

32:27

And that's exactly what we're seeing. But again,

32:29

one would think that the powers that be would

32:31

say, listen, you know, 2019, that's five

32:33

years ago or more than that. We've

32:35

lost 7600 churches and we've

32:37

lost it predominantly over this issue.

32:40

So why the adherence to cultural

32:42

trendiness as opposed to the

32:44

inherent, transcendent, immutable, never

32:47

changing word of God again?

32:49

The paradox here is Methodism

32:52

was founded by a man who saw the drift

32:54

in the Church of England. Oh,

32:56

if I could call up Charles and John

32:58

and ask them to have a little conversation over the air. Now,

33:00

we'd love to get their take on what they think is happening

33:03

to Methodism in the United States today.

33:05

But I don't think it's about gay

33:07

rights, ultimately.

33:10

And if you say, well, why

33:12

is this battle for the Bible

33:15

happening now? The

33:17

battle for the Bible and the inerrancy of

33:19

the Word of God goes back

33:21

to the origination of the

33:23

church. Uh, after

33:26

the ascension of Jesus Christ.

33:29

As a matter of fact, the Church Fathers who took over

33:31

from the apostles,

33:33

after all the apostles, were

33:35

no longer on the earth. They

33:37

had trained, uh, the Church Fathers

33:40

on the appropriate interpretation

33:43

of those documents. We call the New

33:45

Testament and the

33:47

doctrines of the Old Testament

33:49

and the Church Fathers

33:51

were writing at the time, and this is within

33:54

100 years. Uh, the first hundred

33:56

years after the founding of the Christian

33:58

church as a as

34:00

a spiritual body,

34:03

they were worrying. They were warning about

34:05

heresies. And they said,

34:07

beware of those that take 1 or 2

34:09

verses out of context to fit

34:11

what they want, rather than what

34:13

God has said. Um.

34:15

So again, as I said before, I'm sure

34:17

there are people within Methodism who are struggling.

34:19

This is a woman who went to a microphone at the conference,

34:21

and she raised a very important point. Have a listen.

34:26

I'm Nimia Peralta from northwest

34:28

Philippines, LA and I

34:30

am a female. While I have

34:33

no opposition

34:35

as to other provisions, I

34:37

have one concern and that

34:39

is the provision on marriage.

34:41

I stand before you to speak against,

34:44

as I deem there is no necessity

34:46

to amend the same, and so

34:49

as not to skew the core values of

34:51

the next generations to

34:53

those who use the pronoun

34:56

they, their and

34:58

theirs, and those who support

35:00

you. My Filipino friends

35:02

who are like siblings to me and

35:04

who have embraced your culture,

35:06

I mean no harm. I love

35:09

you with the love of the Lord. But

35:11

please understand where I am coming

35:14

from. Literally.

35:16

In June 2015, the

35:18

US Supreme Court, the highest court,

35:20

had already made a favorable

35:22

ruling on the issue of same sex

35:24

marriage that is a victory

35:27

for our other siblings.

35:29

Happily, in the Philippines, our

35:31

law still maintains the definition

35:34

of marriage is between a man and a

35:36

woman. God designed

35:38

marriage to be between a man

35:40

and a woman. When we

35:42

rejoice that we have approved the worldwide

35:45

regionalization, I firmly

35:47

believe that God's Word

35:49

can never be regionalized.

35:51

The proposed definition of

35:53

marriage runs counter to our

35:56

Christian teaching. I

35:58

hold on to the biblical definition

36:00

of marriage as defined in

36:02

Matthew 1946

36:04

and Mark ten 6 to 9,

36:07

defining marriage as between

36:09

a man and a woman. Jesus

36:12

affirms affirms that

36:14

marriage reflects God's

36:16

design for male and female

36:18

to care for creation. So

36:21

I vote for no

36:23

thank you.

36:24

That's a very, very brave woman, by

36:26

the way, for her to get up and to say that this is what I mean

36:29

is within the parameters of Methodism, there are

36:31

still people who understand what the word says. So she's referring,

36:33

of course, to the Obergefell decision, saying,

36:35

look, that's what the culture decided. That's what the courts decided.

36:38

But in our church, can we not stick to the

36:40

biblical definition of marriage?

36:42

And she's going to be overruled because

36:44

they approved the measure, uh,

36:47

by removing the language from the Book

36:49

of Discipline. And it's been there since 1984

36:52

that has prohibited the ordination

36:54

of self-avowed practicing

36:56

homosexuals. And the vote

36:59

on that was 692 to

37:01

5151 brave souls said

37:04

no, 692 of

37:06

those at the conference said yes, back

37:08

after this.

37:16

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

37:23

Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

37:27

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

37:33

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

37:37

Hallelujah.

37:41

Others were passed. They went outside with umbrella

37:44

rainbows and jumped up and down and saying,

37:46

Hallelujah! Which is. That's

37:48

blasphemy. Okay, the word of

37:50

the Lord is very clear that sexual

37:52

activity designed by God, by the way, placed

37:54

in a place of perfection in Eden between

37:56

a husband and a wife, more than

37:58

just procreation. And it

38:01

is about this profundity of the relationship

38:03

between Christ and the church, the bride and the bridegroom.

38:05

So they're celebrating using the word Hallelujah, which

38:07

means Glory to God as they pass

38:10

these pro LGBT measures,

38:12

which is sad. And again, I give you the exodus.

38:14

7600 churches have left

38:16

since 2019. Now,

38:18

when everybody got up to speak and I played

38:20

that clip at the beginning where they were the ground rules,

38:22

where the monitors were there basically to

38:24

receive complaints if you were in their personal

38:27

space, if you were too heavily using

38:29

male pronouns in reference to God,

38:31

and every single person was told

38:33

every time they had to speak, they

38:35

had to use their pronouns before

38:38

they spoke. Now this is a clip

38:40

of all of these put together. We did not put the music

38:42

underneath, but I felt that what they

38:44

said, just to give you a sense of the atmospherics,

38:47

either the Word of God is the straight stick of

38:49

truth, or there are people up there who can

38:51

define themselves as ever they see fit,

38:53

which does not work within the parameters

38:55

of Scripture. So have a listen.

38:57

Becca girl clergy New

38:59

England annual conference. She

39:01

her hers queer white

39:03

adult. I'm very sorry to

39:05

do this.

39:06

Bishop uh Thomas Lang deacon.

39:08

Greater new Jersey adult white male.

39:11

Thank you. Bishop. Good morning friends.

39:13

I am Scott Brewer, a cisgendered

39:15

white lay male delegate from

39:17

the Great Plains Conference.

39:19

Go ahead. My name is Carol Zezima, clergy

39:22

delegate from Minnesota. White

39:24

female, gay adult with

39:27

pronouns. She and her.

39:28

And my name is Andy Hendren.

39:30

White male, straight

39:34

adult.

39:35

My name is Stacy. Current a

39:37

California Nevada clergy

39:39

black woman.

39:40

Sherri Hiller, Oklahoma annual

39:43

conference. Laity. White

39:45

adult female.

39:47

I am black.

39:49

Asian American woman

39:53

adult and

39:56

I think that's helpful demographic.

39:59

Let me step in at this point so you get the drift.

40:01

All of these people had to use

40:03

like that was the transcendence of people gathering

40:06

together as Methodists. And so

40:08

one brave soul and again, there are praise

40:10

be to God for those. I mean, that was Wesley, by

40:12

the way. Wesley leaves the Church of England

40:14

and John Wesley starts a revivalist

40:16

movement saying that the Church of England is starting

40:18

to drift. So the history of

40:21

Methodism in its past was

40:23

this idea of being quickened by the power

40:25

of the Holy Spirit to say something is wrong. So

40:27

I want you to hear what this brave soul said.

40:29

You just got a sampling of everybody who got up to a

40:31

microphone, had to go this through this panoply of

40:33

identifying that their pronouns were. So this

40:35

fella asked this question, have a listen.

40:37

My name is Anthony Deo from

40:40

the Liberia Annual Conference. Bishop,

40:45

uh, there is a

40:48

new something

40:51

that I'm observing at this annual conference.

40:53

I'm district, uh, general Conference,

40:55

and that is clergy

40:58

delegates introducing

41:01

themselves and saying

41:03

their pronouns. May

41:05

I know what's the meaning

41:07

of this new introduction and

41:10

the rationale? Thank

41:13

you.

41:15

I'm going to.

41:16

Ask one of.

41:17

Our folks from.

41:18

Monitoring.

41:19

To come and share, uh,

41:22

because they have asked us to give

41:24

specific information about

41:26

ourselves as we come

41:29

forward. And of course, people

41:31

have the choice as to how they

41:33

identify themselves. But monitoring team

41:35

will, uh, either judge

41:38

uh, Wiggins hair or.

41:42

Thank you, Bishop, and thank you for

41:44

the opportunity to answer

41:46

the question. Uh, the rules

41:48

of the General Conference require

41:51

that when you approach a microphone

41:53

for the record, you have

41:55

your name. The annual conference

41:58

that you serve are from

42:00

which you're elected and your status

42:03

as either lay or clergy.

42:06

The General Commission on the Status

42:08

and Role of Women and the

42:10

General Commission on Religious and

42:13

Race are charged under

42:15

the Book of Discipline with

42:17

collecting data and challenging

42:20

the church for full inclusion.

42:24

We have asked you

42:26

to voluntarily include

42:28

identifying information

42:31

because it is not included in

42:33

your registration. For General

42:35

Conference. But if you

42:37

voluntarily include that identifying

42:40

information, it raises

42:43

the standard of our work

42:45

and keeps us from making assumptions.

42:48

So that has been our voluntary

42:51

request to lift up

42:53

the quality of our work.

42:55

Perhaps in the future it could

42:57

be included on registration,

42:59

and that would be helpful to our

43:02

work and to the body.

43:04

I trust that that is sufficient. Bishop.

43:07

God bless the African church. You know, I see a parallel

43:10

here, the same thing when the episcopals

43:12

are seeing the same kind of drain from

43:14

their church. It is the Anglicans

43:16

which are the Episcopal churches overseas,

43:18

that have been stalwart in defending the

43:20

inerrant Word of God. And so we

43:22

see the Anglicans in Africa being stronger

43:25

biblically, and its application and adherence

43:27

to than the episcopals as again, governance,

43:29

not individuals governance than

43:32

what we see here in the United States.

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Wesley said. This is it not hard that even

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those who are with us should be against

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us, that a man's enemies, in

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some degree should be those of the same

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household of faith yet?

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So it is now, Wesley

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said, that in the 1700s, had he

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been at the conference this week, I'm wondering

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if he would have been given a microphone. And I doubt

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seriously he would have shared his pronouns.

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Greg, the apostle Paul advised

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us, urged us to

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be on the alert, stand

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firm in the faith.

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But he also said, let everything you do

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be done in love. That balance

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between truth and love

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is our mission

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statement. I think in this climate,

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this culture of total theological

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confusion, love

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and truth, it's not an either or.

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It's a both.

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Well, and again, it goes back to what we

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said before. Either the Bible is the straight stick

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of truth, and you use it to measure all crooked ideas,

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or it's just an interesting piece

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of historical literature to be

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amended at will, to

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respond to the cry of the culture

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when necessary, and to trample

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underfoot the pedagogies

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you disagree with within its boundaries.

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You've got a choice.

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This is the marketplace, isn't it?

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Absolutely. Wow. Something to think about

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as we continue our job

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as good Bereans. Have a great weekend. We'll see you next

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time.