Doreen Korba is a life & business coach helping entrepreneurs create businesses that thrive and lives they love. With 15-years in Corporate Marketing, a Master’s Degree in Counseling Psychology and her own personal journey with grief,  Doreen has a very strong and unique skillset to help with both emotional and business challenges. She believes that business owners need to work on both personal and business challenges simultaneously for either to thrive.

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Mike: [00:00:00] Hey everybody, welcome back to in the trenches with Michael King where we talk with business owners, leaders, and executives about the lessons they've learned while fighting in the trenches of the business battlefield. I am Michael King.

[00:00:22] Most would agree that life is about more than just spending every waking hour at the office. It's about experiences and service and love and doing really meaningful things, whatever those things are to you, and I'm probably going to offend some people with this, but. Why does so many of us brag about the 60 80 and a hundred-hour work weeks that we put in weekend and week out?

[00:00:45] I don't think that's something to be proud of. Honestly. I think that if you're working North of, I don't know, 50 hours a week on a consistent basis, it means one of two things. You're either grossly underqualified for your job or your position is understaffed, period. Now I fully recognize that there are seasons in your work life.

[00:01:04] Just like in any other aspect of life, there are product launches and projects and other things that come up that will inevitably demand more than 40 hours in a week. But those should be the exception, not the norm. And in my opinion, it certainly isn't something to brag about. So today I'm talking with my friend Doreen CORBA during worked as an executive in marketing in the corporate world, making the dream six figure salary.

[00:01:29] And basically just crushing every project that she touched. But when she stepped back and took the time to look at her boss and her boss's boss and saw their hours and the politicking and all the other things that come along with the CMO track in a corporate job, she realized that wasn't for her. And so, she decided to make the journey into entrepreneurship.

[00:01:49] But working as a consultant in the marketing world. Again, even though she was making that six-figure salary working for herself, she still kind of felt empty and unfulfilled. Her heart really wasn't in the work, but Doreen was terrified to leave the safety of the marketing world and make the leap into doing the work she knew she was passionate about.

[00:02:11] So today she's going to tell us that story. We're also going to talk about a bit of a of a hot button topic, and that's this during an interview. Is it okay to ask somebody about their plans to have children in the future and why is it that it seems like we tend to ask women that, but we never ask men about it?

[00:02:32] So Darina and I are going to do a deep dive on that subject. All right. Without further ado, here's my conversation with Doreen CORBA. 

[00:02:41] Doreen: [00:02:41] Thank you so much for having me. 

[00:02:43] Mike: [00:02:43] So during, you were telling me that back in the day you worked in corporate America, in marketing, you are making exceptional money. You're really good at your work.

[00:02:54] But you found yourself, you found that you are living in a shell of the person that you, you should be or could be all because you were fearful of failure and fearful that you wouldn't make any money doing the work that you kind of thought you were called to do and you had to kind of sit in that for a couple of years after you made the realization that you weren't doing the right thing.

[00:03:19] So we'll come back to that but tell me the backstory. How did you get to that point? What was your career like up until then? 

[00:03:27] Doreen: [00:03:27] So since I was a little girl, I had a passion for wanting to help people and also a passion for, for business. And so, when I got to college, I got my masters. I'm sorry, my undergrad in health care and went on to get my master’s in counseling psychology.

[00:03:43] But after I graduated from college, I knew I wanted to make an impact on people and ended up falling into marketing and a great opportunity. Series of really great opportunities where my marketing was able to turn around and impact people's lives. And I started as a, with an unpaid internship at a wellness resort.

[00:04:06] And that turns into a full-time job that turns into 10 years later being VP of global marketing and, running big organizations. So, I was very good at what I did, very driven. And I knew this wasn't my end game because my parents always said, if you don't want your boss's job, then you're not in the right role.

[00:04:30] You're not in the right career. you don't aspire to the next level, then you know that I always had that itch that this, this isn't feeling right. Everyone around me was. working countless hours and kind of wearing the number of hours they worked as a badge of honor. And I wanted to be a, a dedicated employee and colleague, but also, an exceptional mother.

[00:04:57] And so that, that, that's really the story I sell into it. I was really good at it. I worked with the most amazing people, which is kind of what kept me there, even though I knew that I was made for so much more. 

[00:05:11] Mike: [00:05:11] When you say that you looked at your boss, and this isn't a reflection of your boss, but of their bosses job and you realize that you didn't want that job, what about that job was uninteresting or unappealing to you?

[00:05:25] Doreen: [00:05:25] And I should say I've had the most incredible bosses, mentors still in my life today, but I didn't. Once the political. drama that goes the round with being a CMO or CEO or a COO. my next job that I was going to take in corporate was going to be taking over sales and marketing combined. And then that projection of my career from there would be becoming a COO.

[00:05:53] And quite frankly, I had learned so much about business working in startups, which is primarily where I worked because I'm a relationship builder and a business builder. And so, I would. And turn to a startup, build it from scratch, build it to a place where it's profitable and making money. And I would get bored and I would go to a different startup and build it and get it profitable, making money.

[00:06:18] And so this is just the cycle. I saw myself that I loved to build things and I would see at the top there sending any time with their families. They were stressed. They were in constant pursuit of who's doing what work on the leadership team, and. Who is doing more and owning, certain silos of business and I just hadn't had any desire for any of that?

[00:06:43] I just wanted to help people and I knew in my heart that I could do that on my belt. 

[00:06:50] Mike: [00:06:50] You also mentioned that you saw people kind of flaunt my words, not yours, but like flaunting a hundred-hour work weeks is a bad day. 

[00:06:59] Doreen: [00:06:59] Oh yeah. Yeah. 

[00:07:03] Mike: [00:07:03] Behind that. Why? Why does that bother you so much? 

[00:07:06] Doreen: [00:07:06] Because it's not what life's about.

[00:07:07] It's just not what life's about. And as a business and life coach, which is what I do today, my passion, my purpose on earth, I work with entrepreneurs to make sure that they have a life. Because at the end of your life. It's not about how many hours you work. It is about the experiences that you had. It is about the quality of life, and you can do both.

[00:07:32] You can do two things. You can make a massive impact and still enjoy your life. and really a society tells us you can't, you have to have one or the other. I don't believe that. It's not what I teach. It's not how I live. And it's just, it's not the point of life. 

[00:07:48] Mike: [00:07:48] I tell people. Look, if you're working consistently more than, we'll call it 50 hours a week.

[00:07:55] One of two things is true. You're either bad at your job, you're, you're not the right person for that job 

[00:08:02] Doreen: [00:08:02] or 

[00:08:02] Mike: [00:08:02] the jobs understaffed, and it requires two people to do it. If you ever find yourself working consistently more than, 45 50 hours a week, let's talk and figure out which one of those two things is true.

[00:08:14] But I don't want to have a place where people have to work that much, or they feel like it or are bragging about it. Was there an aha moment when you realized, this isn't for me, this isn't what I want to do? 

[00:08:25] Doreen: [00:08:25] There were so many little aha moments. the first indicators should have been when I would walk around the office and say to my female colleagues, like, there has to be another way.

[00:08:37] I only saw my baby for 30 minutes before I just put them to bed last night. For women. There has to be another way. Okay. So, I'm really, really passionate about that. And I, I had some personal things happen in our family where, my second child passed away at birth at the height of my career. And I thought at that time, I'm not, I'm not, I'm never going to compromise again.

[00:09:01] I'm done compromising my time. I'm done selling my soul and I, I have to be here on earth. I had a son and a husband and a family that needed me, and as much as I wanted to fly away to heaven with my daughter, that was not an option and therefore I was going to make the biggest impact I could on this planet and make my life feel like I was living for two.

[00:09:25] Okay. So, I thought at that time I left corporate America and I thought, well, I'm just on boss. Like that'll solve it. Like I'm, I'm a natural born entrepreneur. I've been watching entrepreneurs. I got this inside and out. I would've thought it was, executive level on marketing teams and wore many, many hats.

[00:09:44] And so I went into marketing consulting and very quickly had a full roster of clients, again, making great money. Doing good work. I always say I was good to the work, but it wasn't good back to me. And that's really a key. If you're in a role in this resonates with you, great. Just because you're good at something doesn't mean that it fuels you and fills you.

[00:10:09] Right? And so, I was my own boss and I was interviewing for a new client. It was the ideal client based on my marketing career; I'm talking ideal clients. the most money I've ever made in my marketing career, and. It was a full day of interview. It was sent at the very, the very end of the day. I interviewed with this founder and head of the board and we did a great conversation.

[00:10:32] At the end, he was asking me about my family and my daughter had passed away less than a year ago at that time, and so I on purpose. Try to veer away from those conversations cause I'm deep in grief, right? Like you're going to ask me about it and I'm going to cry. That's embarrassing. You don't want to do that.

[00:10:51] And so I had really successfully gotten away from family talk all the way up until that time. And he asked me, he said, you're, you, I know you have lunch piles, you're so driven, you're so successful, you've got so much going for you. Wouldn't you like to have more children? Like, wouldn't you like to have a daughter?

[00:11:10] And. At that time, I lost it. Okay. I am his, I like could not hide the tears. And I had to pull myself together and explain my story to him. But at that moment I saw it. What am I doing? Like what am I doing here? He could be doing one of two things. He could be feeling out if I'm going on maternity leave, cause I'm young and in baby making stages, right?

[00:11:35] Or he could be really sincere in his consequence, but he doesn't know me. Right. So, I wasn't sure which it was. And it was really at that point where I was like, God, there's. A so much work to do in corporate America around asking those types of questions, not being able, not being prepared on his end to get the answer, but also that.

[00:11:56] This job was going to be just like everything else I've done. I was going to be running marketing. My time was not going to be my own schedule, was not going to be my own. I was going to have to travel a lot, leave, leave my son. And that was really, that's when I knew that I needed to make a much bigger impact.

[00:12:17] And this poor guy. Has no idea at this point what that teeny comment has done in my psyche and the way that I've shifted things. But it was pivotal. And you and I talked about at that point, I didn't. I got the job even though I cried hysterically, and it was really embarrassing. I thought the job, and I did it until I went on to have my third baby and I went down on leaves and the company shut.

[00:12:45] The company, I think lost its funding. So, we had to shut down parts of marketing and I went on to do other things and even though I knew that that was a pivotal moment, I was afraid. I was afraid to do what I loved. I was afraid to go out on my own. I was afraid of failure and I was afraid being the breadwinner in the family, I was afraid I wasn't going to match me.

[00:13:05] Salary or they didn't come close. I'm on my own because when you're, when you graduate with a master's in counseling, they tell you if you, if you join this career, to make money, chosen the wrong fields. And while I'm not a therapist, I'm a coach. I believe you can make money. Doing anything you love and that's what I'm doing and that's what I teach my clients to do.

[00:13:28] Mike: [00:13:28] Hmm. A couple of things to unpack there. Until I had bread lean in by Sheryl Sandberg, I would've never really thought much about asking, Hey, would you like to have kids one day? Like that would have never dawned on me as a thing to avoid. And now I can see like 101 reasons why. Maybe like that's not the place to go.

[00:13:52] It would have never been about, is she going to try to get some maternity leave, some paid maternity leave and bouncing, obviously that, that's not really applicable here because you were working as a. Vendor, right? As a subcontractor, not as an employee, but I could still understand, where you're coming from is like, is this guy going to get me in here for six months and then I leave?

[00:14:13] Right? And he's got to go find somebody else. 

[00:14:15] Doreen: [00:14:15] Someone else. I mean, as a woman. That is extremely professional, extremely driven, very good at everything that I put my mind to. Having children is a gift right to the world. So funny because we think women have to take time away from their careers to raise babies.

[00:14:39] We're raising the next generation of leaders. Right? I mean, it's, it's such a catch 22 and so, yeah, there's paternity leave. My husband's company is such an amazing company and he now gets paternity leave. That is a beautiful thing. He's a very involved father, but they're not asking him if he's going to have one for kids.

[00:15:02] Why? 

[00:15:03] Mike: [00:15:03] Why is that? Why do we not do that? 

[00:15:05] Doreen: [00:15:05] That's a great question, 

[00:15:06] Mike: [00:15:06] but let me ask you this. Yeah. 

[00:15:08] Doreen: [00:15:08] Should we, I don't think it should be a conversation at all, and I'll tell you why. I think that it's a fair conversation if you are really trying to get to know me. He wasn't trying to get to know me. He was interviewing me and my skills, which have nothing to do with my personal life.

[00:15:27] So if you go right from. Tell me about your skills for the first 20 minutes and then are you going to have more babies in the last four? That's where feels inauthentic and not sincere. If you are spending the time to get to know me and we're out to lunch and we are a, trust me. I over-talk about my kids.

[00:15:51] They are everything to me. And so, then that would come up naturally. Right? I am not anyone that's ever worked with me. I am not one that. Hi, you know my personal life, very much so. I am, I am who I am and my personal life, it's the same person when you get me at work. And so, I'm, I'm really, I'm, I'm, I'm open, but it's the way you go about asking those things.

[00:16:15] And if it was anyone else, they probably wouldn't have noticed. But I guarantee you if he was sitting with the guy. He wouldn't have asked that, and it wouldn't have triggered me if I hadn't had a daughter passed away. Right. And here's the thing. One in four women will experience a loss. In their journey.

[00:16:39] That could be miscarriage, that could be stillbirth, which is my daughter was still born. It could be early incenting loss. There is so much loss that happens and no one talks about it at work. And so, you don't know when you are asking that question and you don't know what you're going to get. So, on the flip side, you better be ready for the answer because here's what you'll learn about me.

[00:16:59] When people go for those questions, I give them a straight up answer and they're like deer in headlights because they weren't expecting that. Right? Because we assume no one assumes that there's hardship in someone's life, right? You just assume like, Oh, you're just going to. You know? In this case, you're just going to have more babies and possibly take leave.

[00:17:21] And what will that mean for your career? How about, let me show you what a bang-up job I'm going to do. How about letting me take this startup company and make it into something? How about that? And then we'll work great. when the time comes, if I can have more babies or not. Right. 

[00:17:37] Mike: [00:17:37] Fair enough. So, I see your point.

[00:17:39] So going from like, tell me about a time that you've put together a marketing campaign that launched, a software platform in this industry to, directly into. But do you want to have more kids? But still, I don't know that I've ever heard that question. Come up with a guy of, you're young, you're, you said your wife's 28 are you 

[00:18:02] Doreen: [00:18:02] guys going to want to have kids?

[00:18:05] Okay, 

[00:18:06] Mike: [00:18:06] we'll let you know. I'll reach out to you and let you know. You know what our decision is? We're interviewing some other qualified candidates. That's a very interesting point. So, you think, just leave that out of the interview discussions completely. 

[00:18:20] Doreen: [00:18:20] Absolutely. And if you want to get to know someone because you're coming from a good place, it's not during the interview process.

[00:18:28] The interview process is an evaluation of skills, and I was interviewing them just as much as they were interviewing me 

[00:18:36] Mike: [00:18:36] and skills though, to be fair right. Well, 

[00:18:39] Doreen: [00:18:39] culture fits personality. How they're going to jive with the team. Yes. But we're not going to sit around as a team and talk about how many kids we're going to have, but if you want it to get to know me and how I operate in a team, okay.

[00:18:51] Ask me, asked me what my dreams are. I'm assuming what my goals are, asking me what I want for my life. Right. See if my ideals line up with others who've you've hired. Right. And it's interesting in startup companies, one person can make or break the team. I mean, you know this like one person can make or break the team and.

[00:19:13] One bad egg can ruin the whole Sha-Bang and so I understand, I've been through a lot of interviews. I've gotten a lot of great jobs, and I'm pretty good at getting through the process. But this time, based on where I was in my life, it hit me like a ton of bricks, and it was really embarrassing for me.

[00:19:32] when you're grieving, you don't want to bring that into the workplace because work is your escape, right? You know you, he's a stranger to me. And so, what started as maybe a benign question really turned into something bigger for me and that it changed my perspective on why am I still doing this?

[00:19:55] I have so much more to give, so much more to give, and what impact am I really going to make here anyway? 

[00:20:03] Mike: [00:20:03] Yes. You sat there for years, a couple of years, two more years doing it. Why, if it was that obvious to you that you were, not only in the wrong place but doing the wrong work, why did you keep doing it?

[00:20:16] Why for two more years? 

[00:20:18] Doreen: [00:20:18] And so it's a lot. I've done so much work on myself, which is why I think I'm such a great coach. I had had so much change in post on me that I wasn't ready to change to anything else. And so, I was also afraid of making an all my own. Starting from scratch, starting over. I had, you really have to have a bit of a shield of armor when you become an entrepreneur because everybody and their mother has something to say because once you start being successful, people will be like, Oh, I believe in me the whole time.

[00:20:58] But when you start out, a lot of us that are really, really successful at the height of our career, we don't want to publicly be small. Again, I see this with my clients all the time. Being publicly small and being at ground zero making $0 million like your first year, making your first 60 grand or a hundred grand or whenever you're doing your first year is back to ground zero.

[00:21:21] And so that was uncomfortable. And being a breadwinner, I needed to make money. I was really good at making money. I've never had a problem making money, but I still feared that I would be able to make it on my own without, without someone else paying my bills. Right. Without someone else giving me a paycheck.

[00:21:40] Mike: [00:21:40] What gave you the courage to make the leap? 

[00:21:43] Doreen: [00:21:43] So I had my fourth and final baby, in October of last year, and once again, I was full time in a marketing consulting role running. Marketing, doing what I do, making good money. And again, the politics of what goes on in corporate America. No one, I mean, I shouldn't say no one, but I'm going to say it.

[00:22:09] No one's transparent. No one tells me what they mean. And I had said, if you're going to, I know I'm going to go out on leave. I'm signing on, coming back. If you don't want me to come back because you want to fill this role, just tell me like, please don't do this to me when I have all these hormones and a crying two-week-old, right?

[00:22:27] And they, no, no, no, everything's fine. And then they did. Three weeks into my leave, they called me and said, we don't need you anymore, which is totally fine, but I really, really, really got sick of other people being responsible for my income. Like how many more times did I have to go out on leave? And have this political game happen and just like, I'm cool, like I know I'm going out and leaving your free months.

[00:22:56] Like I get it. You need to replace me totally down with that. But the lack of communication and just the secrecy that goes on in, in corporate America, it's just like, it's not my gig. I was done with it. So, I had my fourth and final baby. She has only one now. I'm one almost one and a half, and I just said, there's no better time than now.

[00:23:17] I, that's it. We had moved from Philadelphia to Washington state for my husband's job. I knew no one had a brand-new baby. We had just relocated our family and I was like; you know what? Everyone else said you're crazy for wanting to start all in on coaching. I had done, I had been coaching aside, but not all in everyone said, you're crazy for going all in.

[00:23:42] And it was, it was time. I could not stand by any longer and let other people dictate. How, and if I was able to pay my bills, like any of the secrecy, any of the political stuff, I was just so done with it. And that was it. And my best friends said, finally, what have you been waiting for? Right? But I got, I got a lot of flak and I didn't care.

[00:24:08] Mike: [00:24:08] Somebody recently said that maybe it was at the rise event. I don't really remember, but somebody recently said, don't ever take criticism from somebody you wouldn't take advice from. 

[00:24:19] Doreen: [00:24:19] I live by that game changer, even on social media. I talked to my clients about this all the time. I don't even read people's feeds if they're not where I want to go.

[00:24:32] I do not let people speak into my life that are not where I want to go or are being the person, I want to be. I mean, we're all growing. We're all trying to achieve. We're all working on things, right? I have, I don't scroll. I do not scroll, and I'm very intentional about who I let. Absolutely. 

[00:24:50] Mike: [00:24:50] It's also interesting that the people that are the loudest critics are people that have never even attempted to do the thing that they're shitting all over you for thinking about doing or doing or having done and failed.

[00:25:05] What I've seen it, again, this isn't Mike's knowledge. This is just something I've picked up from, like you, I'm always trying to grow and learn, and so somebody around me said, this is a. Anyone that's ever been where you're trying to go is never going to criticize you for, for trying it and failing it, no one that's because they know how hard it is.

[00:25:28] They know what you're going through. They know about the fears and the anxieties and yeah. The shame may be, or the uncertainty, and I mean all the fields that go along with doing what we do, nobody that's ever been there and done that is going to give you crap about it because they get it. And so, when you start to think about these different things and you, it makes it a little bit easier.

[00:25:52] To live around the criticism because you start to kind of be able to push it aside and you've never done this, so you've never even tried it. Much less succeeded at it. Why should I care if you think that coaching is the thing to do or consulting or whatever? 

[00:26:06] Doreen: [00:26:06] Yeah, and a lot of times it is tough, and a lot of times people are, because they're not stepping into who they truly are.

[00:26:14] Right? They don't want you to either, or they're also afraid you'll outgrow them. There are all kinds of things that go on behind the scenes in people's psyche of trying to keep you small, like they're not intentionally trying to keep you small, right? Like they're not trying to ruin your life. They're just trying to keep their life safe and normal and stable, which is what our brains tell us to do.

[00:26:39] Right? Like, don't speak, don't, don't take risks. Don't speak your truth. Don't have. An opinion on anything if you want to be liked by everyone. If you, if you're a people pleaser who stay neutral and it is exactly how people get lost in life is by staying neutral. 

[00:26:57] Mike: [00:26:57] What I was thinking about doing, starting KFV in doing what I do, boy, is you said that I remembered this story so vividly.

[00:27:06] I was having a beer with a buddy one night and uh. I said, Hey, I'm thinking about starting this company and doing, doing this thing that I've been doing as a hobby is a job. And this, this person, was somebody that I respected, smart guy, corporate America, senior kind of executive role at a, at a huge, publicly traded company.

[00:27:27] And he said. Why would anybody pay you to do that? You're not an expert at that. 

[00:27:34] Doreen: [00:27:34] I didn't have, 

[00:27:35] Mike: [00:27:35] I didn't have an answer at the time. I was like, maybe he's right and what I've, what I've learned is no matter what it is you do, I mean, there's only one person in the world that's the best at anything. Right?

[00:27:48] There's only one room for one person that's best, but you don't have to be the best. You just need to be better enough than the people that you're going to serve that they get value from what you do know. Right? So, if I'm going to work with you, I don't have to be the best in the world at what I do. I just have to be good enough to add value to you and serve you well.

[00:28:06] Doreen: [00:28:06] Right? And do you know what you have and had at that time his beliefs in yourself? That's all you need it. The beliefs that. There's a belief scale. It starts with disbelief, which is where that guy was, right? And then there's possibility and then it goes into belief and you had belief in your resourcefulness or ability to make this happen.

[00:28:28] That is why you're successful. That's the key. 

[00:28:31] Mike: [00:28:31] Okay, let me, let me ask you this. You're a coach. You got it. What are you doing to work on you in 2020? 

[00:28:38] Doreen: [00:28:38] Oh my gosh. 

[00:28:39] Mike: [00:28:39] Coach. Do to develop herself. 

[00:28:42] Doreen: [00:28:42] The number one thing is getting coached. So, you should always be a student of your work. So, I am doing quite a few programs in 2020 and they're not, they are to better me, but also so I can evaluate them, tweak them on myself before I would ever share them with my clients, because I am a product of my work.

[00:29:04] I don't ask my clients to do anything that I don't do all of the time. So. I'm working on myself a lot. I'm working on making myself a priority with three very small children and a booming coaching business. Right. And I just launched a nonprofit, so there is just, there's a lot going on. So, I'm 

[00:29:25] Mike: [00:29:25] subtle, humble, humble brag, by the 

[00:29:27] Doreen: [00:29:27] way.

[00:29:28] Oh, I don't mind bragging. Yeah. That's not a brag. That's just facts. Those are facts. Yeah. There was, well, this is something that I work with my clients on, like what are the facts here? Just when you just rattled off like there's never been anything, I haven't succeeded in and. Blah, blah, blah. Guys, those are facts, right?

[00:29:47] There's nothing wrong with facts. So, in 2020 I'm going to be investing a lot in myself because in my business, I am my business, right? So, I am the one doing the work with my clients. I am the one creating the curriculum. I am the one that is responsible for my client's success and results. So, I take that back.

[00:30:06] They're responsible for doing the work when I'm not with them, but I'm responsible for bringing the curriculum to them and in present with them and helping them navigate. Not just business, but their life too. Both sides matter to me. You should know. That's why I'm doing what I do. So, 2020 is going to look like a lot of hard work and lucky me because I love it.

[00:30:27] I love going to the rise conferences and I'm going to be going to a few others. I love doing that stuff, so it doesn't even feel like work to me because it's what I love to do anyway. 

[00:30:38] Mike: [00:30:38] What are you reading right now? 

[00:30:39] Doreen: [00:30:39] Well, rate. The second run I have right here. Is my hustle book from Rachel Hollis. Oh, I'm showing you, I guess, obviously I can see you, but they can't see us right now.

[00:30:50] Gosh, I have so many. I am rating do less. I have read that once earlier in the year, but it is a bio working mom. She is a successful multilevel marketing person and she has come out with a book called Neulasta, and it's really about time management and managing your time and dancing. Using like 20 hours a week to do your work and the rest to work on you.

[00:31:19] It's awesome. It's a great book. I'm also got lines up. I reread a lot of books, so heal your life by Louise hay. She's, the founder of hay house. I have some Wayne Dyer books. I want to go back and reread, so I'm in me re reading phase. 

[00:31:38] Mike: [00:31:38] Who's an ideal client for you? Who, who that needs coaching should be coming to you?

[00:31:43] What does that look like? 

[00:31:44] Doreen: [00:31:44] Entrepreneurs making $0 million to a million. Okay, so I have clients all over that range. I have a handful of clients all making their first million in 2020 and I have a handful of clients that are just starting from scratch. So, I am all over the spectrum. And here's . Here's the thing.

[00:32:06] The business hat on me can do all of that, like in my sleep, right? Like I, I've got the business end of it. The most important parts of anyone starting a business, being in business, making their first million dollars is their thoughts. What goes on inside your head, how you're going to deal with the fear, how you're going to deal with a failure, how you're going to deal with the shame.

[00:32:27] How are you going to deal with the haters. All the things that is what's going to get you to make your goals, and maybe your goal isn't $1 million, maybe it's a million, a million subscribers. Maybe it's that you want to make a million impressions, whatever your goal is, but as far as you're thinking about your business, and as far as revenue goes, zero to a million, how can people find you?

[00:32:49] If you can find me on my website or on Instagram, Facebook, I do a lot of things. Videos and trainings. There's a lot of information out there. My website is www.coach CORBA, which is , O R B as in boy, a.com and on Instagram at coach Corvette and Facebook. I'm at coach program as well. 

[00:33:12] Mike: [00:33:12] We're going to put links to all that in the show notes.

[00:33:14] So if you didn't catch that, don't worry it. But before we wrap up, I want to talk about one more thing that I know is near and dear to your heart. You are setting up a nonprofit right now. What are you doing with the nonprofit? 

[00:33:28] Doreen: [00:33:28] When we lost Harper, I knew a new, knew that I would create a nonprofit in her honor.

[00:33:34] I knew though that I needed to know exactly what I wanted to do in order to be able to move through the grief and all of the feelings that will come as I navigated this path. So about two years after we lost her, I started a blog. And I would blog weekly on the grief journey for moms and, but also with how I dealt with that piece of grief.

[00:34:01] Okay. There's a lot of things that go on because I found online that everything I read was just so, so sad, and it was just lacking hope and joy and all I wanted so desperately was to find joy again and live a full life. In, in Rachel Hollis's words, it's that out there created and that's what I did.

[00:34:18] so I created that and now we're taking that to the next level. What really saved me, and I mean that is connecting with other moms who are further along on their journey, who could show me a path. And normalize what I was feeling and thinking and the way I would be scared for my living children when they got sick and all the things that go on with loss.

[00:34:43] And so still mama is the nonprofit that we are creating, and it is going to be a home. For families to have community to help each other and navigate grief of a child together. It will have an online component on my website, so online, meaning the community will live on my website. It's not going to be on Facebook primarily because like I went off Facebook during my grave during the really, really dark days.

[00:35:16] It's just too much. There are too many families. There are too many happy pictures, and I'm like barely surviving. Right? So, a lot of the people that I want to reach will not be on social media during this period of time. So, the community will live. On the site. And, we will have trainings and curriculum and opportunities to rights and opportunities to honor your children and really keep them alive.

[00:35:41] And it's, it's funny, I, I even see curriculum around how to create a nonprofit and how to channel your love for them. In an impactful way in the world. So, we have to talk about that too, because I'd love to have you in that community and helping us there. So, it is near and dear to my heart. It has been something I've wanted to do four and a half years and 2020 is supposed to be the year that it launches.

[00:36:04] I'm website's underway and I'm just, I'm so excited. 

[00:36:07] Mike: [00:36:07] How'd they find you in that community? 

[00:36:10] Doreen: [00:36:10] So it's still mamma.org so it's www.stillmama.org. 

[00:36:18] Mike: [00:36:18] We'll put that in the show notes as well. So nonprofit website underway. That'll be available in 2020 if you're an entrepreneur in your pre startup pre-revenue, up to a million dollars, you need coaching, you need some help figure out.

[00:36:35] What are your limiting beliefs? What are the things that you're experiencing? How do you get around it? How do you overcome these the problems that you're inevitably going to face? Coach corba.com is your place. Thank 

[00:36:46] Doreen: [00:36:46] you. Thank you so much for having me.

[00:37:01] Mike: [00:37:01] thanks for joining us today. Please don't forget to subscribe to in the trenches with Michael King on your favorite podcast platform like Apple, Google, or Spotify. Once again, I'm Michael King with KFP solutions. We'll see you again next week.