In this episode, Prof. Jonathan Jansen (Stellenbosch University | Professor in the Faculty of Education), known for his strong views on transformation, peaceful reconciliation and unity, talks to John Vlismas and Carmen Murray about why he considers himself an Øutsider and shares an insight into his views, never heard before.

In this interview, he finally says if they call his name, he will step into the arena of politics and try and help this country. He bluntly says, no matter what you say about education, there is no point in having a 4th Industrial Revolution when children are worried about their safety, hygiene, and their level of hunger at school. He wants to fix that first. The future is not about AI, it's about ladies from NG Kerk becoming enlightened and teaching mathematics on the streets of Elsie’s River. That is the story of our Future.

Music: John Bartmann | Outsiders Join the Outsiders