Amanda and Andrew talk with Bis Thornton, an artist and incoming seminarian, about trans concerns with church and religion at large, transitioning and non-binary existence, discernment, chaplaincy, and the decision to choose ministry.

NOTE: We had some issues with Zencastr, the platform we use to record this show. Thus the last 15 minutes or so has overlap, things reconstructed, missing questions, and so on. This is the best Andrew could do with no prior podcast editing experience.

Bis is part of Gender Unbound (https://www.genderunbound.org/), an art nonprofit that seeks "to uplift, support, and advocate for transgender and intersex communities through arts and programming created by transgender and intersex people."

Bis' Twitter account is @bisthebox

Outro music is "Fomaulhaut" by Pictures of the Floating World, under CC license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/)