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just a little

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follow up because if you're not on our petri

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on i don't think we talked about

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the adnan syed news on

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the regular podcast i feel great

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talked about it on patriotic yes in case

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you missed it on a motion

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to vacate adnan syed

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ads conviction has been filed by the

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prosecution in the case which

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is why alleged you

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don't know that case it's the murder of hae min lee

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popularize there and honestly what popularized

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in general most of you guys have probably

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so highly recommend listening about

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those if you haven't by a lot

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of people believe that a nonce i add is

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not guilty yet he has been in jail

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for the last when

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over twenty years early on he are now that

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was ninety nine when her murder yeah

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this yeah so long

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time and they were

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conducting a review the

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defensive prosecution were working together

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reviewing the case in the trial and

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all of that and basically they came to the conclusion

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that there were two suspects that the prosecution

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knew about that could be involved and

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they did not tell the defense that

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the big issue because they have to tell the defense

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about that kind of thing in a court

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there's all these legal terms that i'm not gonna get

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into here but you have to tell them

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though because of that the prosecution has filed

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a motion to vacate

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his conviction this does not

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mean that has

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he is

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found innocent it's just

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that he does

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the new trial

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basically what they're saying so today

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when you're listening to this episode monday is

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when they're supposedly meeting

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to decide if he's gonna be released

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wow you know a retrial

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is being

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the gather some so crazy

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unlike

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a is so

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huge on so

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i don't know if we never talked about the season the podcast before

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i'm andrea is fully

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in the camp of he's innocent

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the i am like i'm

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like eighty twenty a i'm like

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eighty percent he's innocent twenty

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versus not that he is guilty i'm just

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unsure unlike idea i

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can't one hundred percent say

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they idol and and home keys an essay

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yeah i'm

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but i do think he did not get

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a fair trial so no matter what hates

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if he's innocent or guilty he did not get

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a fair trial and so i'm really happy

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that this is happening and is

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is going to be crazy the his who knows if there ever

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even gonna be able to find like a jury

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a how are they even going to find the

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jury i mean i'm sure there's people who don't know the

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case the staff get

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a bunch of owner bihari while bihari don't have don't

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have idea either because ah you

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know he got kind of racially profiled

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because he is he's

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muslim

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please can't remember where you from

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it like with the my mind on

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yeah me too come on

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a while since i think it's in the middle east so i'm

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pretty sure somewhere yeah but yeah

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so maybe the older

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population might not be the this

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versus yeah the

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yeah they're going after that's gonna be a whole

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thing but i'm really happy he's getting a

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the trial yeah will

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the and on today

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we're going to be talking buddy technically

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unsolved wells double homicide

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were actually discovered this case while

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doing research for our september

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patriotic bonus episode that

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was about was wells serial killer batman

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was looked into for his possible involvement

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in this case so

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if you want to hear his whole backstory you

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can go check out our great humans patriot

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tier to lessen the link is always in our

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show notes in our instagram bio and all of that

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but that being said you don't have to know that

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whole story to listen to this one because

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while that serial killer has been connected

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in several media outlets hi

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and a lotta people do not believe he

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is responsible for this double homicide

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so you don't have to know that whole story

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it's just is that my interest you are

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higher you can listen to it and shout

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out to sarnoff are suggesting the

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original okay so now you know about this will and

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physicists yeah and it's crazy i can't

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leave i'd never heard of this so i know

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this case is actually known as

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one of wales most notorious unsolved

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cases damn so let's

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get into it harry

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and meghan twos lived on a

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remote farm and just north of

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land harry in south wales the

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united kingdom and they lived

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at p r e one farm

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pretty sure thing that are hate i did my best

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but it was it was remote from

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just outside of region their

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farm this farm with ten acre

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is it had been in meghan family for

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over a century and harry and megan took

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over the farm i think when they got

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married so they enjoyed keeping

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up the farm the it was a lot of work but

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they really enjoyed it and it

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was just what they were used to in what they did the

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, have one daughter cheryl

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and then when she grew up she decided to move

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away from the farm she wasn't really into

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that

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lifestyle she she didn't want to like

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continue that up so she moved

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away when she was an adult

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now harry was well known in the community through

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his market garden business the

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he had grown ordered

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something that a farm and for them at a market

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but in nineteen eighty six he had retired

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deciding to send his extra time continuing

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to grow cabbages but otherwise

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living a pretty uneventful life

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in nineteen ninety two what his shotgun

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was actually mysteriously stolen

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from the farm by

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other than that nothing happened at the remote

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home they lived a totally normal hours

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with everything was just normal

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and the morning of monday july twenty

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six nineteen ninety three was a

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completely normal day for the to sixty

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four year old harry and sixty seven year old meghan

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went into town to collect their pension and

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shop at the local tesco this is

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something they did all the time people

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knew there

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eighteen and we're used to

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there at the tesco harry

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ran into one of his sisters who later

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reported noticing nothing off about

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brother and his wife

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the returned back to their foreign that morning by eleven

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am as reported by a neighbor who

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was leaving her house they

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were completely normal one

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thirty pm at to gun shots fired

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thirty seconds apart where heard by the

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neighbors coming from their farm however

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this is not unusual because they knew

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that harry would shoot at rabbits who are eating

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his cabbage find

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this i know that made me really sad but like he

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had to protect his shop i gag

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and i though the neighbors

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didn't think that this was

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weird hearing these shotgun right

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and it's a farm i mean people might

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just shoot for the hell that tip of yeah

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exactly it wasn't we're at all yeah

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harry and megan's daughter cheryl who

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lived in orpington can't with her

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boyfriend or fiance the painting

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source but i more often thought boyfriends that's

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what i'm gonna go it

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he called her parents around three pm but

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they didn't answer and at first she wasn't

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too worried by she called again that

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evening and they still did not answer

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so she started to become concerned and cheryl

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alerted one of her parents neighbors a

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farmer named named owen hopkins

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which is really unusual for them to not answer

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the phone and she was concerned

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the hopkins went over to the twos property

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and found a quote bizarrely empty

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with the door unlocked the

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couple car was still there and no one had

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seen the leave but they were nowhere

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in sight hawkins found a

9:20

pan of chop potatoes that look like they

9:22

were like ready to be cooked sitting on

9:24

the stove and it just

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kind of seem like the house had just been abandoned

9:30

by the angular their car was still there

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yeah they they anus not occur yeah

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this is very strange and concerned

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hopkins called the south wales police department

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when the police arrived at harry and megan's farm

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on the evening of july twenty sixth they

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also found the seem bizarre again

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harry and meghan were nowhere in the house and

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there wasn't anything very unusual

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about the house there was no sign of any

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forced entry forced robbery but

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the

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the are nowhere inside

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they did find the couples best china

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sat at the table for lunch and

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police later learned that that china was

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only used when an important visitor came

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though

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that was a little bit like species

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no clue

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exactly

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and as i said the lunch had been sitting on the

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stove like ready to be cooked and the china

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was all undisturbed as if it hadn't been

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you there weren't three

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t cut out and one

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was known to be one megan's

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and then another like one of these

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the china would be like or a special

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guest please

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start to search the property when they found

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no sign of harry and meghan inside

10:39

and by this point it was the early hours

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of july 27th when

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they a cow shed on

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the the property next the home, they found

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a whole riffic scene, both

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harry and megan's bodies

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were inside the shed the were covered

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in carpet under hay bales

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the had both been shot execution style

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in the back of the head at point blank range

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with a shotgun oh my cars

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so this went from a welfare check to

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a double homicide investigation like

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that split second yeah so

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police believed at first that because there was no

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sign of forced entry harry and megan

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may have known their killer so

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this was reinforced by the fact

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that you know the stove had been turned off

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so police believe that the person

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had stopped by unannounced in the middle of them

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making bear line

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that would explain the three t cards and

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the nice china set out

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granted ballistics analysis found that harry

11:39

had been shot just inside

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the door the cow shed and he was then

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placed inside bird

11:45

with hey and she they

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believe that mega and may have been trying to

11:50

escape because she was shot inside

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the farmhouse possibly near the kitchen

11:55

okay the she was then placed

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an the couch adding

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with a carpet

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and later analysis determine

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that harry was likely moved three

12:04

to four hours after he died while meghan

12:06

likely died later than harry then

12:10

and now we don't really know like what

12:12

exactly happened they never really share any

12:14

more details but if i had

12:16

to put that together i would say that like

12:18

and but he

12:19

shot harry in the cow said

12:22

man

12:24

went back shot me again or

12:26

you know did something and then shot night

12:28

and rights so in the police

12:31

arrived and they didn't notice

12:33

anything in the kitchen like any the

12:35

an error not the in a bladder flight

12:37

never done anything out i say cleaned i

12:39

guess maybe

12:41

yeah

12:42

the police did discover that the shotgun

12:44

used to murder harry and meghan was

12:47

not the guy that had been stolen from harry

12:49

years prior

12:51

the murder weapon could not be found

12:54

like i said no sign of a robbery nothing

12:56

had been taken from the house including valuable

12:58

jewelry and money that was inside

13:01

the house and on harry

13:03

now what we for investigating their word

13:05

not many

13:06

the clues

13:08

the pretty quickly one suspect

13:10

emerged gerald

13:12

whose boyfriend

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thirty three year old jonathan june

13:16

oh shit cheryl had

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met jonathan jones eight years

13:21

prior the met at a

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business

13:23

that he scores

13:25

nineteen eighty six when cheryl moved out

13:27

the to actually moved in together without

13:29

her parents nine apparently

13:32

, parents were very religious and did not

13:34

believe in living together before marriage

13:36

so when cheryl moved away

13:38

they were already in or sad that their daughter

13:40

was moving away and then when they learned that

13:42

she was living with her boyfriend they

13:44

were upset however

13:47

other sources say that harry and meghan

13:49

work closely cheryl and john is that jonathan

13:51

and that they were fond of him so

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what i'm thinking is they were upset at

13:56

first yeah and you know

13:58

had been like seven years that

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happened so they probably like accepted

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it and

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closer with that

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however jonathan jones was not

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doing well financially and ninety ninety three

14:10

he had tried to start his own marketing business

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by he had only one hundred pounds in a bank

14:14

account he was falling

14:17

behind on the couple's house payments

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and they were about to lose their apartment but

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he kept that hidden from cheryl the

14:24

financial troubles became a possible

14:26

note air

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harry and meghan had a one hundred and

14:30

fifty pound life insurance policy

14:33

investigators believe that

14:35

that could have given jones a motive

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to murder them i mean that's

14:40

pretty fucked up the yeah yeah

14:42

and jones knew that cheryl was the sole beneficiary

14:45

of her parents est so he knew

14:47

that she would be making that money witnesses

14:50

who had seen a man walking along a road near

14:52

the tooth farm in late june before the murderers

14:55

came forward after the murders and

14:57

identified jones is the man that they had seen

15:00

but jones claim that he had been

15:02

there baling hay with harry so he

15:04

said you know it's not weird for someone

15:06

the maybe have i was

15:08

around there yeah

15:10

now joined the alibi for the

15:12

the murders plays shaky at

15:14

best

15:15

he had met with estate agents

15:18

for he said he had met with estate agents

15:20

looking for new office space for his marketing

15:22

business that he was studying no

15:25

witnesses or estate agents

15:27

could confirm his alibi it

15:30

in addition to that the distance between

15:32

where he said he live that day

15:34

and morning

15:35

the and farm was a maximum

15:37

of seven hours so he could

15:39

have made it

15:40

there

15:42

the and back within that day john

15:45

also claimed that he had a conversation

15:47

with a worker at his apartment at one thirty

15:50

pm the day the murders the

15:52

worker said that at that time he was

15:54

out for lunch and that he never had a conversation

15:57

with jan there a little

15:59

later told relief that jones was not

16:01

at home when she got home from work that evening

16:03

and that she couldn't tell if he had been

16:05

there during the day the evening

16:07

when cheryl was concerned for her that her parents

16:09

had not answered the phone she had asked

16:12

her why friend to drive the two hundred miles

16:14

to check up on them so she had work

16:16

the following morning so she couldn't

16:18

didn't have time to get there and back before work

16:21

so she asked him to and he left around

16:23

ten or eleven pm but

16:25

he did not arrive until three

16:27

am

16:28

when he got there

16:30

he found police the police at the home

16:33

and they told him that harry and megan had been

16:35

found murdered though

16:37

police quickly became suspicious

16:39

of jones at the crime scene that morning

16:42

the as first of all his reaction to learning

16:44

about the murders was strange according to them

16:47

they were also suspicious of the length

16:49

of time it took him to get to the farm because

16:52

it's a lot longer than it should have taken

16:54

effect

16:54

if he just drove straight their

16:57

though he had claimed a cheryl that the weather had

16:59

slowed him down but police

17:01

believe that he had taken a detour to

17:03

dispose of clothing and them

17:05

or weapon

17:07

man forensic evidence pointed at him

17:10

even further to

17:12

hit fingerprint was found on that

17:14

third tea cup that was set out

17:17

the home that day

17:18

there were no other fingerprints other than

17:20

harry and meghan that were found on it many

17:22

of the cat

17:24

but to play devil's advocate

17:28

he was there seem to be son in law

17:30

he was there that day helping

17:33

do

17:34

hey bells like a

17:37

kid a isis by cheryl

17:40

and jones claimed

17:42

and i think this is before they knew that

17:44

the fingerprint the fingerprints were on the card

17:47

but they claim that he had never use that tico

17:49

he did claim

17:51

though that when he in cheryl got to the house

17:54

after the murders were discovered

17:56

and they were going through the house with police

17:58

that he grabbed

17:59

the cup

18:00

though it's unclear what the truth is here

18:03

yeah by every

18:05

a little fishy the

18:08

investigation went on but other than jones

18:10

no fact like summer suspects a

18:12

marriage

18:13

police kids sell not find a murder

18:15

weapon

18:16

they've or any other clues in the case man

18:20

two months after a hairy and megan's murders

18:22

jonathan jones was arrested and

18:24

marriage with the crime

18:26

oh

18:27

i'm at trial police theorize

18:29

that he had surprise harry and meghan

18:32

while they were making their lunch that day the

18:35

think that harry and megan possibly

18:37

believe that jones was going to ask them to

18:39

marry their daughter so that's why they

18:41

got out the nice china and made some tea

18:44

and like

18:44

you know there's no sign of for

18:46

andrey obviously has a new ham all

18:48

of that the on offense consisted

18:50

of trying to verify his shaky alibi

18:53

which his lawyers could find no one

18:55

today not a single person that

18:57

jones claim to see be age

19:00

and the worker at his apartment

19:02

no one could come forward and say that

19:04

been met with him that day and

19:06

confirm his

19:07

about

19:11

like if you don't have an alibi say you

19:13

don't have a if you're innocent and they don't have an alibi

19:16

the say that don't try to make up an alibi

19:18

because that looks even worse yeah good chances

19:20

are people are not gonna lie for you for

19:22

murder investigations yeah

19:25

especially when it's not i mean not

19:27

that i sorry wouldn't lie for you in a murder

19:29

investigation and i was running by

19:32

especially when it's not like people that are like

19:35

not even really that close know you like

19:37

yeah so after two hours

19:39

of jury deliberations they

19:41

found jonathan jones guilty of murder

19:44

them he was sentenced to two

19:46

life sentences with the judge saying quote

19:49

it was the planned and pitiless execution

19:51

of a harmless couple who should have had

19:53

nothing from you accept your affection

19:56

and respect the

19:59

going to

20:00

yeah

20:01

if you remember i said this was

20:03

one of well

20:04

the most notorious uncalled

20:06

for oh wait for

20:08

it felt like where is this gonna go yup

20:12

, jones worked quickly to

20:14

appeal his conviction now

20:16

cheryl did not believe that he had killed

20:18

her parents and she actually began offering

20:21

began reward to the public for anybody

20:23

that had information that could help clear his name

20:25

mile and this reward money came

20:27

out of the life insurance

20:29

money

20:31

which you know with her see as whatever she wants by

20:35

carol family the

20:38

public at the time were convinced that jonathan

20:40

was guilty and that the jury's decision

20:42

whoa whoa

20:44

they were like

20:45

they're all stop doing as her family was

20:47

really upset with

20:48

like they were like he's

20:50

got the

20:51

by john push forward and he appealed

20:53

his conviction his attorneys

20:56

were searching for different grounds to appeal

20:58

and most of it ended up being like very

21:01

legal the you

21:03

know like legal technicalities man

21:05

his team was also trying still trying to

21:07

find proof that his alibi was solid

21:09

and again they were unable to and to this

21:11

day no one has ever confirmed his

21:14

alibi the

21:16

court of appeal though overturned

21:18

his conviction they considered

21:20

ordering a retrial by

21:23

they decided that it would

21:24

the quote inappropriate

21:26

he was released from prison

21:29

and he went on the marry cheryl they

21:31

had a kid and he has maintained his

21:33

innocence to this day so

21:36

with it because of the

21:38

nick holidays that they overturned it

21:42

it will dot but also little

21:44

talk about in a second his potential evidence

21:47

that they brought up that basically wasn't investigated

21:50

so they bad you can't say that he

21:52

did it in a son

21:54

that you didn't investigate all this

21:56

other stuff also i think

21:58

the wells legal system is

21:59

the little bit different from america

22:02

they feel like in america at least nowadays

22:05

it wouldn't have been

22:06

overturn just very bad or

22:08

it could have been overturned but a retrial would have happened

22:11

i that's what i find strange about they said they didn't

22:13

order a retrial at all they

22:16

so they basically said there was enough

22:18

evidence to prove that he that at

22:21

to why waste their time and our resources

22:24

exactly

22:25

i mean not make sense honestly as i mean it unless

22:27

you have a lot of ah

22:30

new evidence to try

22:32

a new case like what's yeah

22:35

what a long story of the

22:36

so anyway i mean yeah there's the fingerprint

22:38

but i mean

22:40

there's not enough to say

22:42

the first or the that

22:44

though

22:44

legally though this double homicide

22:46

of harry and megan twos was unsolved

22:49

and it remains unsolved to this day

22:51

the the potential evidence

22:54

that case that will never

22:56

followed up on includes a mysterious

22:58

cars

22:59

near their farm

23:01

an unknown middle aged man

23:03

seen with the couple and

23:06

noisy argument coming from their home

23:09

by in nineteen ninety six so this

23:11

was the evidence that the the court of appeals

23:13

was like okay you didn't investigate bear

23:16

some of the stuff bad

23:18

glad to his induction being

23:20

overturned right and then in

23:22

ninety ninety six after his conviction

23:24

was overturned the south wales police

23:27

department released a statement saying they were

23:29

not planning to reopen the investigation

23:32

yeah we're basically like we're not going to look into any

23:34

of this there would flee

23:37

their murder unsolved yeah that's what

23:39

it seemed like to the public and of course jones

23:41

cheryl and the public are all appalled

23:43

yeah because despite these potential

23:46

leaves being brought up it seem like

23:48

they were not follow

23:48

up on knows

23:50

shortly after this like public outrage

23:52

the police issued a report that the case

23:54

with not closed and that they would follow up

23:56

on any new information that comes to

23:58

light

23:59

current be like they were kind of like i

24:02

don't know they like didn't want to look into that

24:04

older information whether

24:06

it's because they claim that they already did

24:09

or because of some other unknown reason

24:11

we don't know they they

24:13

did come out and say no the cases and close

24:15

we're still investigating a like

24:17

new information that comes and we will look

24:20

into okay in two

24:22

thousand seven years after the murders

24:24

assistant chief constable announced

24:27

a new review of the case stating

24:29

that

24:30

quote he would leave no stone

24:32

unturned

24:34

he said quote the conclusion

24:36

of the report and it's findings will be

24:38

made known warts and all the

24:40

content of the report will be made available

24:42

to the public there's like okay

24:44

we're doing this we're gonna review

24:46

it all and will make all

24:48

of it known to the public the

24:51

findings are still never been released to

24:54

the police are saying that since the murder is

24:56

still unsolved they can't release any

24:58

potential key information which is

25:00

fine our layer yeah

25:03

i get it by don't say

25:05

you're going to release that to the public and

25:07

then never do it right

25:10

in two thousand and three it was being reported

25:12

that barrels of a shotgun were found

25:14

in in and band and chlorine near

25:16

the farm and apparently the person

25:19

that found them for unknown reasons

25:21

the then painted the barrels by

25:24

before they handed them over to the police

25:26

why

25:27

there and we have no clue why

25:30

and the barrels were taken away to be tested

25:32

by i couldn't find the

25:33

lot of dot testing

25:36

around the same time police had reportedly also

25:38

been given a bag found in a nearby

25:40

iron more or mine that

25:43

had to shotgun cartridges inside

25:46

please refer to this evidence as

25:48

a significant develop but again didn't

25:50

elaborate anymore

25:52

hey

25:53

the also noted that in two thousand and two they

25:55

received an anonymous letter that was

25:57

of interest

25:59

but that

25:59

they would say about that and again we don't

26:02

know what any of this mean since it's still

26:04

an ongoing investigation they haven't

26:06

released any of this but this is in the

26:08

early two thousand and still have

26:10

released it and there's then no

26:12

real movement mine in two

26:14

thousand and six thirteen years after the murders

26:17

police began

26:18

search for to vehicle the witnesses

26:20

had placed in lan harry

26:23

around the time of the murders

26:25

the black four by four and or red

26:27

saloon car and they believe that

26:29

these could have clues as to who committed

26:31

the crime but these vehicles

26:33

have still never been identified

26:36

i two thousand and eight the investigation into

26:38

harry and megan twos murder

26:40

murderers went cold

26:43

now and twenty eleven after

26:45

well serial killer john william cooper

26:48

was convicted of four murders and pet

26:50

pembrokeshire wales the tooth

26:52

case was reexamined by police to

26:54

look into a possible connection between

26:57

their murders and cooper though

26:59

there are similarities between his other killings

27:02

and best case including that a shotgun

27:04

was use they were

27:06

shot at close range and that

27:08

there were attempt made to hide their bodies

27:11

the biggest connection was that there were

27:13

very few double shot gun

27:16

murderers that ever happened in wales

27:19

yeah and jones was already

27:21

known to have committed to have them so

27:24

they are like what the likelihood that another

27:26

double shotgun murder happens

27:28

and he is not connected however

27:31

harry and meghan would not have known john

27:33

cooper there is no personal

27:35

connection between them whatsoever so

27:38

it doesn't explain why they're nice china was

27:40

taken out why there was no sign

27:42

of forced entry the biggest thing

27:44

in my opinion it proves he was not the killer

27:47

was that nothing was taken from their

27:49

house

27:50

he always brought his victim

27:53

with his big ammo and the

27:55

fact that there was nice jewelry in the

27:57

house and even there was money

27:59

on

27:59

eerie like

28:00

the very least he could have taken

28:03

that money

28:04

let me also keep trophies

28:06

to or is that with a dead over

28:08

know he dead and there was nothing taken

28:10

from the home or the bodies at all so

28:13

it just it doesn't make sense he also

28:16

has an ugly stick to areas that he

28:18

knew and he did not know where harry

28:20

area at all but it's also

28:22

so bizarre be has how many

28:24

people rob and kill

28:27

with and shotgun that's so crazy

28:29

to me yeah but

28:31

then again if this is kind of more of like a

28:33

far area

28:36

true and i feel like more people might out shotgun

28:39

sounds that's true so jones

28:42

boyer still tries to point at

28:44

cooper saying that he's a better candidate

28:46

for the murders ben jones

28:49

that many people at this point

28:51

do not believe that cooper was involved

28:53

whatsoever and some of the articles

28:56

that i read were like we need to move past

28:58

looking him being involved because he's

29:00

night and

29:02

we're not looking at the facts and we're not

29:04

making any progress and to like actually

29:06

thought penis

29:07

there

29:08

still jonathan jones remains

29:10

free

29:12

the have been fighting to have the findings

29:14

of the new were views that have been done to be

29:16

published by authorities keep

29:18

saying that they will not release the findings in

29:20

a case that a future and

29:23

are in the case that a future prosecution

29:25

might happen

29:26

and whether jones was responsible

29:28

or it with someone else entirely the twos

29:31

still do not have just as

29:34

and die

29:35

it for the heartbreaking unsolved double

29:38

murder of hair

29:39

meghan to

29:41

their family is obviously still suffering

29:44

not knowing who did this

29:46

to them and they are doing everything

29:48

they can to keep the case in the public eye

29:50

so it will continue to get attention and

29:53

that so and so that harry

29:55

and meghan can get the justice league

29:57

there

29:59

home

29:59

if you know anything about the murders of

30:02

harry and megan choose you can contact the

30:04

south wales police and i will

30:06

link their website that has all the contact

30:08

numbers for

30:09

international and if you're in wales

30:12

and i'll link that

30:12

the show now

30:13

the cases really bothers me because it's

30:16

like it could be completely

30:18

random but there are no other murders like this

30:20

in the area and

30:23

like i go back and forth between if i think

30:25

jonathan jones could be responsible

30:27

i really don't know

30:29

it's just so frustrating because it's like

30:31

it's just and solved and not just it

30:34

and there's no answer is any doesn't even seem

30:36

like there's potential for answers

30:38

to ever am unless somebody confesses

30:41

by , a little bit hopeful because

30:44

of all the evidence that they're keeping so close to the

30:46

chest like i'm hopeful that maybe

30:48

they're still working on it by it's just been

30:50

so long

30:51

they i mean i don't know if you know this

30:53

or not but have they you know toyed

30:56

around the idea of a copy cat

30:58

like someone who may have been copying cooper

31:00

yeah i don't i didn't read anything about

31:03

that but a down for have ban on

31:05

but i see like than the person

31:06

rod vancouver and his

31:09

very well known and all through

31:11

but yeah that's only have for you guys

31:13

today if you why all of the background

31:15

the story about cooper be sure to check out

31:18

hadrian and ,

31:20

will see you on thursday with

31:22

a brand new episode until

31:24

then the but human

31:27

i know