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What's. Up you guys! I'm Haley

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and I me Andrea and this

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is inhuman. A True Crime podcast.

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Welcome back to part three, The

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final part of a mullet. I

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promise I will not get to

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the end of this and say.

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There's. Another part. I

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part them in the old. Anymore

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I've and Mullet. I'm.

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Yeah. It when took a lot

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out of me. To put

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together this part because it was

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basically talking about. Lots.

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Of unsolved. Yeah.

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He says either disappearances are murderers

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and just they're not being any

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answers. So it it was. It

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was rough researching it and just

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seeing over and over again like

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not solve, not solve, not solve.

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So. I am

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very ready to share this with

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you. Get this information out and

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then. Not think of Ivan melodic

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and. Yeah. That sounds

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like a good plan because it's pretty

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pretty heavy heavy stuff. It

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is. So if you haven't listened to

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parts one and to go listen to

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those because. You

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will be confused otherwise by this

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is part three of Ivan Mullet,

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aka the man convicted of murdering

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seven backpackers and Australia in the

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late nineteen eighties and early nineties.

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And. In this part, we're going

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to be talking about other cases

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that Malachi is potentially. Connected.

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To. In. Ninety Ninety

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Six Mullah was convicted of the murders

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of Joey and Walters. Caroline.

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Clark, Deborah Everest, James

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Gibson Simone As. Middle.

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Gabor. Noi Bauer. And.

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Anja hop seed. He.

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Was also convicted of the attempted

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murder, robbery and false imprisonment of

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Paul Onions who is the man

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who came forward and kind of

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like because of his account of

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the case. Yeah, Attracted a at

2:18

idle and and and got mola mola.

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Mola out was sentenced to seven life

2:25

sentences without the possibility of parole plus

2:27

another. Eighteen years? So. He. Would

2:29

never gonna get out. Of prison. Obama

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was only convicted of and

2:34

officially connected to seven murders.

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Though it's believed he committed

2:38

many more. After.

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His capture fifty eight unsolved deaths

2:43

and disappearances cases were officially revolt

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reviewed by Task Force Air, which

2:48

was the task force that caught

2:50

in a lot more his potential

2:52

involvement and it's believe that he

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may be involved in many of

2:56

them. and this is only the

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ones that were like, especially reviewed

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at the time by Task Force

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Air. There are many others that

3:05

investigators private. It's private investigators like

3:07

retired detective. All kinds of people

3:09

have tried to click after school

3:11

idol. Runner. Unfortunately,

3:13

it's kind of hard to connect

3:15

cases to mulatto because he didn't

3:17

really have an ammo. So

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his victims. Dot Main

3:22

similarities with that. Where is that?

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They were young hitchhikers? And

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that they were all sounded

3:28

like shallow graves is. Yeah,

3:31

by that's kind of where the similarities. Between

3:33

the victims and. Yeah.

3:36

That's the scary part. as like. They're.

3:39

Like male female like different races, like

3:42

killed and women and way is held

3:44

under. Hey man, I think I feel

3:46

like we brought this up in part

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one. Maybe it was just you and

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me talking. Andrea I don't remember. By

3:53

necessity and reminds me. Of Israel. Key

3:56

is yeah, I was. There we

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got. No rhyme or reason why. I think you. Yeah

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and. Yeah, and this one

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mullah is a little bit more

4:04

specific because all of his known

4:07

victims were like either backpackers. Or

4:09

hitchhikers like people traveling around. And

4:12

there were multiple causes. Are there

4:14

were multiple people with the same

4:16

cause of death? but they were

4:18

like multiple causes of death. Yeah,

4:20

though, you know it's that there

4:22

are some similarities. It's a little

4:24

bit more. Quote. Unquote source

4:26

narrative that yeah, ruptured that Israel

4:28

Keys. but there's also a lot

4:30

of differences to. that's why there

4:33

is a whole much speculation about

4:35

so many cases been connected to

4:37

him. By. And none

4:39

are really confirmed at all. And

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as we talked about in part

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to Mullet didn't confess to anything,

4:45

not even the murders he was

4:48

convicted of. So frustrating. Yeah.

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So. First. Let's

4:53

talk about why investigators

4:55

believe Malacca committed. Other

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murders. So

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he was forty five. Years old when

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the first murder he was convicted of was

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committed, and Nineteen Eighty Nine. And

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it is unusual for a serial

5:09

killer to start killing badly in

5:11

life Into experts believe that die

5:14

in and of itself. Indicates

5:16

that he likely killed

5:19

before. Yeah. And

5:21

he had a very. Promotes.

5:23

Or less. Ah held her background.

5:25

Yeah, I agree to pay his

5:28

child her like his teenage years

5:30

like he was doing some things

5:32

that were a handful. Law maybe

5:35

not murder by it. Still,

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A. And. Speaking about, we

5:40

know that in Nineteen Seventy

5:42

One, he was quit a

5:44

coveted acquitted on charges of

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kidnapping and rape of two

5:48

women. So we the kind

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of the part. One but. Basically.

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A large part of why he was

5:55

acquitted was because he went on the

5:57

run for over two years after he

5:59

was being investigated for that crime, so

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he wasn't. Technically.

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Like. Arrested on that

6:05

crime, yet he basically caught wind that

6:07

he was gonna be, he was kind

6:09

of being investigated, so he went on

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the. By. The time they captured

6:13

him and actually charged him and

6:16

he went to trial. The victims

6:18

were kind of having trouble being

6:20

able to testify against him because

6:22

it had been so long. Yeah.

6:25

So technically he was acquitted by

6:27

it. It was very clear and

6:29

the investigation that he. Was. Responsible.

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For that crime and.

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That took place. Eighteen years

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before his first confirmed murder.

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So the likelihood that he didn't at

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least a doctor other victims in that

6:45

eighteen years is a very low. And.

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He likely. Killed before. He.

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I think so. I mean that a

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scene so unlikely to just pick up

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such a horrible. Trait.

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Like and yeah, place as sixties or

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forty forty five? Yeah, it forties like

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not. He was doing something in between

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those two. Guys are you

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know that. We. Know that killers

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escalate so you know As a

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keen he started robbery Sas, then

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it went up to assault. Physical.

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Assault Sexual Assault Kidnapping.

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Abduction. Murder. And there's

7:20

no way there was eighteen years between

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that abduction he was acquitted of and

7:25

the first murder. Absolutely.

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Not, But I'm guessing I don't have

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to convince you guys that he committed

7:31

more murders like creeping in hell are

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often. They pay as you Suddenly I

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can agree on that. So let's dive

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into some of the disappearances and deaths

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that he is believed to be connected

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to an just the you know. like

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from now, there is no definitive answer

7:46

in any of these. The whole, it's

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frustrating it. Yeah, Heartbreaking for

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the victims' families because they just.

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Don't. Have answers by.

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There are several and first we're

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gonna discuss the three cases that.

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Most people do believe for sure

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I've in. Malachi is a very

8:05

good suspect in. Also, just

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as a side note, I'm in a post

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a map showing where. These victims

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were like either last seen are found

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murdered in reference or in comparison to

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the belong to a state for s

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where the seven victims were found. I'm

8:20

not from Australia and know we have

8:22

a lot of Australian listeners but also

8:25

listeners not from Australia and it can

8:27

be kind of confusing. If you

8:29

don't know, like the landscape. So all map it

8:31

out for you. The hey see you can kind

8:33

of see like where things are in comparison and

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I'll post that on her instagram. And facebook feed

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as to see why you're listening. Okay,

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So. First up is Karen Roland.

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On February Twenty Six, Nineteen Seventy one

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twenty year old Karen Role in was

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travelling to meet her sister at a

9:04

hotel in Canberra. And. She

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was driving herself there, as was her sister

9:09

May We're going to meet. At. The

9:11

hotel by she never showed up.

9:16

This was immediately concerning to her

9:18

family because Karen was five. Months

9:20

pregnant, Know. I

9:23

don't tell me that. I.

9:25

Know. That

9:28

evening, Karen's abandoned car was

9:30

found. Abandoned out of

9:32

gas and no sign of Karen.

9:35

Was. Anywhere, As

9:38

gas and she remained missing for

9:40

the next three months when unfortunately.

9:42

She was found murdered. On

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May thirteenth, Nineteen Seventy One, Karen's

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body was found in a pine

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plantation near the Air Disaster Memorial

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in Canberra, which is southwest of

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Belong glow. She

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was found covered in pine needles and

9:58

her belongings worse. In a line

10:01

from her body indicating that she was

10:03

to write to the like quote unquote

10:05

grave that she was buried in. Because

10:07

they were basically found in like a

10:10

line and that's actually how she was

10:12

found. The person that found her saw

10:14

her belongings and like. Followed.

10:16

This. Track of like close her

10:19

purse and different days. And

10:21

found her. Her. Arms were

10:23

found still above her head as if she

10:26

had been dry. Karen's

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official cause of death has never been

10:30

ruled, but it is believed. She was

10:32

strangled due to the breaking of her

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higher how. High

10:36

your bone which is in your

10:38

neck. Map like way around indicates

10:40

strangulation. Now the main

10:43

reason why I've and Mullah is linked

10:45

to Karen's murder is because the day

10:47

after she disappeared. He showed up

10:49

at work in Liverpool and. Claimed that

10:52

he had murdered someone and buried

10:54

the body the night before. The

10:57

hell. There

10:59

were no other disappearances in the area at

11:01

the time that lined up. And so

11:03

Karen made the most sense. We.

11:06

Know that Mullet at the time was

11:08

working at the department of Main Road.

11:11

And. As part of that job,

11:13

he frequently drove between Liverpool and

11:15

Canberra in the direction Karen. Was

11:18

going. One. Witness

11:20

saw Karen poll over when her

11:22

car ran out of gas and

11:24

saw a person pull up beside

11:26

her and and gold colored car

11:28

and at the time it's believed

11:30

that Malachi. It. Was driving

11:32

a gold Ford Fairmont. See

11:36

Roland who was just sixteen years old

11:38

when his sister disappeared. Believe that a

11:40

stranger abducted her because he said she

11:43

was trusting and likely would have gone

11:45

with somebody offering to help her. There

11:49

have been. Thirty. Persons

11:51

of interest identified and

11:54

Karen's disappearance. including.

11:56

Ivan Malachi. Also it

11:58

was a different disposal. Around but it

12:00

was a similar type of area. And.

12:03

Because this was eighteen. Years before

12:05

my Lats first known victim, it's very

12:07

possible that he was using. A

12:10

different disposal ground at the time?

12:12

Yeah. And. It was like probably

12:14

a crime of opportunity is so he

12:16

may have just dispose of her body

12:18

like the nearest location he knew that

12:20

was desolate in out of the you

12:23

know that easier. Exactly.

12:26

In Twenty Twenty Two, a retired

12:28

detective in the Uk whose wife

12:30

is Karen's cause, then a man

12:32

named Hugh Hughes which is just

12:35

the main star I know. He

12:38

was investigating Karen death and Malacca potential

12:40

involvement and specifically he was trying to

12:42

find out more information about the car

12:45

that Milan was believed to be driving

12:47

at that. At the time that

12:49

called ford. Yeah. He.

12:52

Works with police who investigated

12:54

Karen's case and a his

12:56

investigation. He believes that Mullah

12:59

is a very viable suspect.

13:02

Especially because Karen's death was just six

13:04

weeks after the nineteen seventy one kidnapping

13:06

and rate than the lab was acquitted

13:09

of. So. It's

13:11

very possible that you know about

13:13

one failed he may be had

13:15

wanted to murder those two women

13:17

and if you remember from part

13:20

one, they basically gravely. Escaped when

13:22

he pulled over to get them

13:24

a soda and so. Had

13:27

they not done that, they might have been.

13:30

Victims. Of has are you know, murder

13:33

victims of has And then six weeks

13:35

later he's frustrated that he didn't. Murder.

13:38

Those women. And so he. Murders.

13:40

Karen. And I assume

13:42

that. Ah, Unfortunately when care was

13:45

found to was like her remains were

13:47

probably skeletal remains. There's no way to

13:49

tell. If. She had been

13:51

actually assaulted. Correct. Noom.

13:54

Additionally, Karen's body was covered in

13:56

pine needles in a shallow grave,

13:58

and the. Last other. Damn were

14:00

found in shallow graves covered in like

14:02

leaves and branches and this will be.

14:05

A recurring theme of

14:07

why. Several. Cases are

14:09

connected to Han. Additionally,

14:12

it is believed that in the last that

14:14

time at the crime scenes after the murders.

14:17

And. A haiti than say it like this,

14:19

but enjoying himself as he sat. There

14:21

drinking. Smoking. Cigarette: there

14:24

were a cigarette butt. found a

14:26

beer bottles. With. Bullet. Holes

14:28

as if he was using them

14:30

for target practice Pray. And

14:32

at Karen's crime scene not far

14:34

from her body, there were empty

14:36

beer bottles. Over.

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Fifty years later, Karen's case

14:41

remains unsolved. Today and

14:43

unfortunately, If Milan was responsible for

14:45

her death, it's unlikely Her family. Will

14:47

ever get answers because. He.

14:50

Never confessed. He's dead now.

14:52

Unless. There's like some. Sort of

14:55

dna evidence that one day as able to

14:57

be tested and linked to him. It's

14:59

unlikely that. He'll. Ever be connected.

15:02

That's. So sad and like latest than

15:04

fifty years so tense are like

15:06

must for family has. Probably.

15:09

Passed on to so that is so

15:11

sad. Like the whole thing is just

15:13

so hard road. And all.

15:16

That I say like this entire

15:19

part Three does was like shattering.

15:21

Me to the says he got over and over

15:23

again. But you

15:25

know it's so important for these victims

15:27

to be remembered. Supply I kept kept

15:29

chugging. Yeah! Next is

15:32

Peter lets her. Eighteen

15:34

year old Peter had just had a

15:37

heart broken in November nineteen eighty seven

15:39

because he had traveled the Sydney to

15:41

propose to his girlfriend who is just

15:43

fifteen years old and she declined saying

15:45

she was too young to get married.

15:48

An assessment of only eighteen. so

15:50

like it's an eye out, right?

15:53

Yeah, fielded a snap. Dlc wires are

15:56

not even legal. I guess I know

15:58

who else should evolve whereby. Yeah,

16:02

but it was so sad. And

16:04

after the feared failed proposal, he

16:06

less Sydney to hitchhike back to

16:08

his parents' home and Bathurst. And

16:10

he was last. Seen on Nov

16:12

thirteenth leaving Sydney by he

16:15

never made it home. He

16:18

remained missing for two months until

16:20

on January Twenty first. Nineteen Eighty

16:22

Eight Peters body was found on

16:25

a woodland track near. At the

16:27

channel and keys. And

16:30

the general in caves are popular tourist

16:32

destination and they're actually not. Far from

16:34

belong go at all. Peter

16:37

with found buried in a shallow

16:39

grave covered and leaves and branches.

16:42

He had been handcuffed and shot five

16:44

times in the head with a twenty

16:47

two caliber gun. Sounds.

16:49

Familiar. Oh, been stabbed in

16:51

the back several times. Also.

16:54

Similar Military Similar.

16:57

Yeah. Now. Other than

16:59

this similar and know. Why

17:02

Mullet. Has

17:04

been connected to Peter. has to

17:06

do. A little bit with. His

17:09

ex wife. So.

17:12

I didn't allow was married to. A

17:15

woman named carrying. And they

17:17

were married for about three years and a

17:19

in early Nineteen Eighty seven. They. Were

17:21

still married and he took her

17:24

to see the gentle and state

17:26

forest. Because. He had been

17:28

working in the area. So.

17:30

It is confirmed that he was in

17:32

that area in early Nineteen Eighty Seven

17:35

and caring Less will out later that

17:37

year and after She Dares Peters murder

17:39

took place in that same area. So.

17:43

He was familiar with the area which

17:45

kid. I

17:47

mean it's a huge coincidence, but.

17:49

Still, Me, it seems like

17:51

I guess. viable option? yeah. and

17:54

he was also known to be

17:56

working. For. The Department of Main

17:58

Roads as a surface sprayer. Near a

18:00

gentle and. At the time. Clive.

18:03

Small, who is the Nsw Police

18:06

Assistant Commissioner who led the investigation

18:08

into the lab and his capture

18:10

says that Peter is the one

18:12

victim who he is sure. Met

18:15

his face at the hands of I've

18:17

in Malachi. Yeah, I mean

18:19

based on the manner in which he was

18:21

killed I I mean I would get behind

18:24

him. On the yeah same.

18:26

I honestly like fully thoroughly

18:28

believe Mullet is responsible. for Peters

18:30

death because like he said, he was. Shot.

18:33

With a twenty two caliber, he was stabbed

18:35

in the back and he was buried in

18:38

a shallow grave covered and leaves and branches

18:40

which is all. Similar. To

18:42

other victims of his. Or.

18:44

A. Small said quote.

18:46

There was a pattern to Ivens

18:48

killings that had to do with

18:50

his personal. Circumstances. When.

18:53

He killed. he was by himself or he

18:56

wasn't in full control of his relationship. Or

18:58

it was falling apart. Or it had ended.

19:01

With. I then it was all about control

19:03

and when Peter was murdered. He

19:05

had broken up with his partner. Which

19:08

is. Not true technically Karen left him, but.

19:11

Or he had. You know, Was. No

19:13

longer with Karen. In. The

19:15

other murders that have been attributed to I

19:17

then don't fit the pattern. So.

19:19

That's so he signed like that's. Why? He's sure

19:22

that this is the wine for

19:24

sure. That ultimately does. Additionally,

19:27

as with Karen's murder, there was signs

19:29

that the killer enjoyed some time at

19:32

the Crypto crime scene before leaving There

19:34

was an empty whiskey bottle last year,

19:36

Peters body. Technically.

19:39

Peter Letters murder has never

19:42

been solved, but. Most.

19:44

People believe he was a victim

19:46

of I've and Mullet and I

19:48

definitely do. In. The

19:51

third case it that is the

19:53

most definitively connected to Milan. Is

19:56

the murder of Diane Pinocchio?

19:59

Twenty. Nine year old Diane was

20:01

staying at the lake towards Hotel

20:04

and Bung Indoor on September. Nine,

20:06

September Six, Ninety Ninety One. And

20:09

this just like really shattered me because

20:11

her husband, car man had decided to

20:14

give her a break night off with

20:16

her friends that night. So. That's

20:18

why she was like out hell

20:20

yeah. So that

20:22

evening, She was out

20:24

with friends and Diane called car from

20:26

the Kangaroo Club in Queen Ballon to

20:28

tell him that she was going to

20:31

the Lake George Hotel in nearby Bung

20:33

Indoor because the hotel was run by

20:35

her brother and she wanted to go

20:37

visit. Sushi. Arrived

20:39

at the hotel, she called Carmen and she

20:41

said that she'd be home later that night.

20:45

At. Around eleven pm, she left the motel

20:47

to help to head towards the King's Highway

20:49

to make her way back home. But.

20:52

She never arrived home. And.

20:55

Not only was Diane married, but she also

20:57

had a two year old son. So

20:59

they knew that she wasn't missing

21:01

on her own accord. And.

21:04

She was driving like she'd let her

21:06

know of her. Her. Husband

21:08

Carmen would later say that Diane

21:10

was always overly generous saying quote.

21:12

Her biggest problem is she would

21:14

do anything for anybody. So

21:17

they were hopeful at first that she

21:19

just got lost or. Got. Off

21:22

track a bed, And Carmen would

21:24

later say that he believed that if

21:26

Diane had hitchhiked it would have been

21:28

for the first time, but that if

21:31

someone walked out the needed a hand,

21:33

she wouldn't think twice. Searches.

21:37

For Diane took place as her family

21:39

was sure that she didn't just leave.

21:42

And unfortunately, two months later her

21:44

body was found. On

21:47

Nov. thirteenth, ninety Ninety one to

21:49

employees of the Forestry Commission at the

21:51

Itala gone to State Forest which

21:53

is about one hundred and twenty miles

21:55

south of belong below. Discovered a

21:57

decomposing body wrapped in pine breed. Branches.

22:01

In a shallow grave. Diane.

22:04

Had been stabbed to death and one of

22:06

the wounds to her sign. Would have

22:08

paralyzed her. Just. Like

22:11

several of malacca other victim.

22:13

Yeah. It's weird kid at.

22:16

All. These evil that you've just mentioned. They're all

22:18

found like two to three months after they went

22:20

missing out on earth. Ashes? Weird to me. it's

22:23

like all of a sudden two months later their

22:25

bodies are found out. His I found. The

22:27

advantage: Weird coincidence. but yeah,

22:30

sounds weird. Other

22:32

similarities between Diane in the last Victims

22:34

include a beer bottle and beer can

22:36

found her crime scene. And

22:39

the way that she was buried under leaves.

22:42

We. Know from employment records them aloud was

22:44

only working until two thirty pm on September

22:47

Six, so he would have been off work

22:49

at the time that she was abducted. And

22:52

he had the next. Two days off

22:54

work. Her murder also fit

22:56

into the timeline of. His other known

22:58

murderers. She. Was killed after the

23:00

January Nineteen Ninety One murder of

23:03

Simone and two months before the

23:05

murders of Gabor and Anja in

23:07

December. Nineteen Ninety One. And

23:09

it does to me as if she

23:11

is one of my lap victims. It

23:14

kind of seems like this was a

23:16

crime of opportunity because at that point

23:18

he was disposing of bodies and belong

23:20

glow consistently by. A her

23:22

being in a different state forest economic sense

23:24

because it if it was just a crime

23:26

of opportunity he just had to kind of.

23:29

Do things more on the when and set

23:31

of. it Being lay is typical routine. Diane

23:34

son Jack, who was only two years

23:36

old when his mom was murdered, was

23:38

hopeful that before Mullet died, he would

23:40

confess to Diane's murder. But

23:43

unfortunately, As we know,

23:45

that never came. But just like

23:47

as with peter. Clive.

23:49

Small bird detective who ran

23:52

the investigation also it or

23:54

is diane. A likely victim of

23:56

Ivan Malachi. Now either

23:58

Mullah has also been identified as

24:00

a person of interest in three

24:02

unsolved disappearances of young women in

24:04

the Hunter Region, which is south

24:06

west of Newcastle and north west

24:08

of Sydney. And. They're

24:10

actually six cases that were initially believed

24:12

to be the work of another serial

24:15

killer, but Mullah is a person of

24:17

interest in three of them Srinagar through

24:19

those three first and will go through

24:21

the other three, but these all happened

24:24

in a hunter region and. Like.

24:26

I said some speculate that they

24:28

with a different serial killer operating

24:30

in that region that is responsible

24:33

for these. But mullah is

24:35

also a possibility. Yeah.

24:39

Twenty. Year old Leann got all this traveling

24:41

to New Castle in December nineteen seventy eight,

24:43

after seeing her mother in Sydney for Christmas.

24:46

She. Told her parents that she was planning to

24:48

go to the city, but instead she ended up

24:51

going to Muscle Broke to visit her brother, War

24:53

and. On. December

24:55

Thirtieth Must have warren dropped her off

24:58

at the Muscle Book. Railway.

25:00

Railway. Station and she told him that

25:02

she was going to spend the night with

25:05

their mother before travelling to Sydney to celebrate

25:07

the New Year. She

25:09

also said that she was planning to stay in

25:12

Sydney for a few weeks. So. Warrant

25:14

Thali and board the train at one pm

25:16

and then at three thirty pm. she was

25:18

seen at the Star Hotel in Newcastle, but

25:20

that was the last time she was seen.

25:23

The. Endless us to be starting a

25:25

course at Newcastle Technical College in February.

25:28

Nineteen Seventy Nine. But she never

25:30

showed up. Her. Mother

25:32

and brother hadn't realized she was

25:34

missing because her mother thought while

25:36

they both thought that she was

25:38

visiting friends in Sydney and. This.

25:40

Is nineteen seventy eight or nine? or cousins? Were

25:43

you text and all the time Like and yeah,

25:45

a friend sent me. There's not. Not.

25:47

A big deal you didn't hear from

25:49

a few days. Yeah. By

25:52

in late January, Warren visited their

25:54

mother and asked how Leann Stay

25:56

was like oh how is it

25:58

when the ends up. It before she

26:00

went sydney a map when they realize that Leann

26:02

had never made it. There on the thirtieth. They.

26:06

Contacted the and friends that. Learn.

26:09

That she had never made it to Sydney. And.

26:12

Then. Shortly. After that, she

26:14

never showed up for her. Class and so when

26:17

they contacted the police at first they

26:19

said oh lin she'll come back don't

26:21

worry she isn't to not missing. Unfortunately,

26:24

no sign of Leann was ever

26:26

seen again. And. Her.

26:29

Case quickly went cold. And.

26:31

Leann is currently still classified

26:34

as endangered. missing. Now.

26:37

Malachi was known to frequent the

26:39

Star Hotel. Which. Is the hotel

26:41

that she was seen at. After

26:43

getting on the train. And

26:46

he was also working in the

26:48

Newcastle area in late nineteenth of

26:50

the A in early Nineteen Seventy

26:53

nine. Other than

26:55

that though, there are no obvious connections

26:57

because she's never been found. So. We

26:59

don't have. There's no cause. Of death. There's

27:01

no how she was buried. None of that. It's.

27:04

More just pull out with in the

27:06

area. For.

27:08

Months after Leon's disappearance, eighteen year

27:10

old Robin Hickey was traveling to

27:12

the Belmont Hotel to meet a

27:14

friend. She. Was last seen

27:17

at a bus stop on Pacific Highway

27:19

at Belmont North, just across from her

27:21

home on April seventh. Nineteen Seventy Nine.

27:25

It's unclear she made it to the

27:27

hotel or not, but a witness said

27:29

that they saw me laugh at the

27:32

Belmont Hotel the night before Robin disappeared.

27:34

Unfortunately, robber Robin was never seen again,

27:36

and while the police did briefly investigate

27:38

her disappearance, they ended up closing the

27:41

investigation, assuming that she left on her

27:43

own accord. That would

27:45

change years and years later. But.

27:48

First you need to know

27:50

about. Fourteen. Year old

27:52

Amanda Robinson who disappeared less than

27:54

two weeks later when returning home

27:56

after a high school day at.

28:01

On. The evening of April Twenty First.

28:03

Nineteen Seventy nine. Amanda got off

28:05

the bus in swans the and

28:08

was last. Seen. Walking along Lake Road

28:10

towards her home but she never made

28:12

it home. Despite

28:15

a search for her and an

28:17

investigation into her disappearance though her

28:19

case. Went cold. And

28:22

her case has long been connected to

28:24

Robbins case like they're to have. Been

28:26

kind of connected as whether it's

28:28

Milan or someone else the same

28:30

regular. And then in

28:32

April Twenty Nine teen the

28:35

Nsw government and police Force

28:37

announced to one million dollar

28:39

reward for information about the

28:41

disappearances and suspected murderer is

28:43

of Robin and Amanda. I

28:45

say let Australia lt the

28:48

day it comes to rewards

28:50

to get information because that

28:52

isn't saying. He. Her and

28:55

we've seen that before like they

28:57

they have out there people plan

28:59

and time again. I mean every

29:01

case li cutter cover. I feel

29:03

like the look after they've done

29:05

this for yeah. So

29:08

in April, twenty ninth team, which

29:10

was forty years after the two

29:12

girls disappeared. At how score

29:14

a called Strike Force or up

29:16

hi mom. Was developed to

29:18

reexamine the investigation. Into

29:20

the now cold cases. From

29:23

the Nsw Police quote Minister

29:25

for Police and Emergency Services

29:28

David Elliott said the increase

29:30

rewards demonstrates how strongly the

29:32

Nsw government is Support is

29:34

supporting the Lake Mcguire Police

29:36

District investigators. Which was like

29:39

the local government investigating the

29:41

crimes initially. right? Elliott

29:43

said for far too long, Robin and Amanda

29:46

families have lived with the pain of losing

29:48

a child, but without any idea of how

29:50

it happened or who was responsible. They.

29:53

Have been in limbo for for. Decades

29:55

not knowing. They.

29:57

Deserve answers now and will and

29:59

we believe that offering these new

30:01

reward should be sufficient incentive for

30:03

those with information. A come forward

30:05

if your conscience won't make you

30:08

act. Maybe two million dollars? Well,

30:10

Here. So.

30:26

These cases have been suspected

30:28

to be connected to Ivan

30:30

Malachi. but in January of

30:32

this year, Twenty Twenty Four.

30:35

Another man with actually arrested

30:37

in connection with Robin and

30:39

Amanda's disappearances and believed that.

30:44

So thanks to Strike Force or a

30:46

piano a man named Warren at Mc

30:48

Course then was arrested and charged with

30:50

for civil abduction and assault causing bodily

30:53

harm. So. He wasn't a arrested

30:55

for like kidnapping or murder because they've

30:57

never been found but he was arrested

31:00

for those two crimes and he was

31:02

also. Named a suspect in Robin

31:04

and Amanda's that. As

31:06

of when this is being recorded

31:08

April Twenty Twenty Four He has

31:10

not entered a plea on the

31:12

charges. and he's not been charged

31:14

for murdered, for murder or anything

31:16

select Technically, he's not directly charged.

31:18

Yeah, not. Enter the please. So we

31:20

don't know if he's trying to say you didn't

31:22

do it or if he has an alibi we

31:24

don't know and he's next expected in court in.

31:27

Sound. Their not. They're I'd given

31:29

up any information how they linked him to

31:31

the Deb A hate that. Know like they

31:33

have an alibi. Yes, you

31:35

know it's it's. a. To

31:38

protect the integrity of the investigation, That

31:40

makes sense, but hopefully we'll know more.

31:42

When he next to us to court in May.

31:44

Yeah. So. You

31:47

know it's not to send it is by

31:49

honestly to me it seems more likely than

31:51

I than Mullet. Just

31:54

because like they clearly have something that they

31:56

are, I come on and not have you

31:58

know I will be held. And

32:00

I target him a murder or

32:02

yeah, the old hello daddy. That's

32:04

hard to get those charges when

32:06

they've literally never been found. True.

32:09

True. So. That

32:12

seems more likely to me by Malachi

32:15

has still been named a person of

32:17

interest in the and Robin and Amanda's

32:19

cases, and when he was still alive,

32:21

he was questioned about those cases, but

32:24

he remained adamant that he never picked

32:26

up hitchhikers in the Hunter region. He

32:29

would tell the court quote I had nothing

32:31

to do with whatever happened to their children.

32:33

I can look at them. right? In

32:35

the eye and say I had absolutely nothing to

32:37

do with your. Children. Going the same. So

32:41

he was like very adamant that. Yeah.

32:44

He didn't do this. And for

32:46

he was also adamant he didn't do the murders he was

32:48

convicted. Of so. Yeah, I mean

32:50

of course you don't want to get

32:52

in trouble and go to prison for

32:54

longer periods or in a yeah, which

32:56

is ridiculous because he was already sentenced

32:59

to life in prison. but he was

33:01

so arrogant and cocky and wanting to

33:03

be in. Control that he

33:05

never admitted. Now.

33:08

Mullah was never officially connected to these

33:10

cases and again never admitted any involvement

33:13

in them. But because he was working

33:15

in the area and the victim descriptions

33:17

match his other victims, he is still

33:19

considered a possible suspect by many. Either

33:22

mullet. Did. Have links

33:24

to the Hunter region, though, despite

33:26

his insistence that he never abducted

33:28

anybody from there. And

33:31

he quote boasted to a friend that

33:33

there were graves and course, pet. Scattered

33:35

across the area. Do.

33:38

A corpse pits. With.

33:41

The. Ah, so there

33:43

are three more on top of those

33:45

three that we just talked about from

33:48

the Hunter region that. Are. Believed

33:50

to possibly have a connection to the

33:52

lab or to another serial. Killer that

33:54

might have been operating an area. So.

33:57

First, a sixteen year old. Amanda's all as who

33:59

does? You're on October Twelfth. Nineteen

34:01

Seventy Nine. She

34:04

was last seen around six thirty pm

34:06

when a neighbor walked her to a

34:08

bus stop and Hamilton as she was

34:10

headed to Christian Coffee Shop to a

34:12

Christian coffee shop in Newcastle. Amanda

34:15

call her father at ten fifteen pm that

34:17

night saying that she needed to come home

34:20

and get clothing because she was gonna visit.

34:22

Queensland, but she never arrived

34:24

back home. She.

34:26

Seemingly vanished into thin air and she

34:29

was has never been seen or heard

34:31

from again. Eighteen

34:33

year old, a net breath or

34:35

was hitchhiking on the Pacific Highway

34:38

in Northern Sydney on January tenth.

34:40

Nineteen Eighty. When she disappeared. She.

34:44

Was last seen on the highway entering an

34:46

orange Mazda sedan or a similar vehicle, but

34:48

since then she has never been seen or

34:50

heard from again. In

34:53

two thousand and five, it was officially ruled

34:55

that she was likely. Abducted and

34:58

murdered and. Wow, she may be

35:00

linked I've and Malachi. there are also

35:02

to other possibilities as well. A

35:05

net brother told police that their

35:07

uncle owned an Orange Ford Escort

35:10

which was similar to the description

35:12

of the car. She was seen getting

35:14

into. An not long after

35:16

a net disappeared, the uncle dumped

35:18

his car. Oh. Suspicious?

35:21

Yeah, very much so.

35:25

Another possibility is one of the

35:27

last people who saw her who

35:29

has never been named by. He

35:31

was out drinking with her and

35:34

not long after next disappearance that

35:36

man was convicted of murdering his

35:38

wife. So.

35:41

Again, a possibility, but neither of

35:44

these suspects have been charged and

35:46

a net case remain classified as

35:48

an under as an abduction with

35:50

foul play suspected. The.

35:52

Final they come from the Hunter region is

35:54

twenty two year old Susan eyes and heard.

35:57

Susan was dropped off by her brother and near

35:59

the stag. Hunter Hotel in New. New.

36:02

Castle in Nineteen Eighty Six,

36:04

and she is believed to

36:06

have been hitchhiking to Tory

36:08

when she just disappeared. Her

36:11

skeletal remains were later found

36:13

in the key were Rocket

36:15

State Forest. And while she

36:18

has she had been murdered. Her case

36:20

quickly went cold. Now.

36:22

The main reason mullah a suspect in

36:25

her case is because his employment records

36:27

show that he was repairing sections of

36:29

the Pacific Highway near Atari and was

36:31

staying at a hotel in. The.

36:33

Town of hari. Around the same time

36:36

that suits. And with killed. But

36:39

again, none of these have officially been

36:42

connected to Mullet. He never confessed, and.

36:44

You. Know. We're. Probably never

36:46

gonna know. The final

36:49

potential? Melodic than that. I'm. Gonna. Talk about

36:51

in a little bit more. Death is

36:53

no Ral Cox. On

36:56

July twentieth, Nineteen seventy seven, twenty

36:58

one year old Naral was visiting

37:00

an old friend in New Said

37:02

Queensland when. She disappeared. When

37:05

L did not return home and she expected,

37:07

her mother sent a telegram to find out

37:09

when she'd be back. But. The

37:11

friend responded that she had never made it

37:13

to Nusa. She

37:17

was reported missing by it was never

37:20

seen again. Her.

37:22

Family later found out that she

37:24

was seen by a truck driver

37:26

in the Brunswick Heads area of

37:28

New South Wales, which was an

37:30

area that Mullah often worked in.

37:33

In Nineteen Eighty Four, Over fifteen

37:36

years later and no closer to

37:38

Answers neural sister Karen saw report

37:40

about either Mullet being arrested for

37:42

murders of hitchhiker the New South

37:44

Wales and she called the task

37:46

force to mention her sisters case

37:49

and the similarities. Task.

37:52

Force Air. She. Said she didn't

37:54

expect them to call back, but they called her

37:56

back in ten minutes. Were how

37:58

he and. They did investigate my

38:01

last involvement but Karen said quote they did

38:03

a check on a date and didn't think

38:05

it with him as he was signed into

38:07

work at a particular place and time and

38:09

they left it at bat. So

38:12

technically I'm allowed was ruled out as

38:14

a suspect and or else disappearance that

38:16

her family does not believe. That he should

38:18

have been ruled out so quickly. There.

38:20

A possibility is that Mullah had somebody

38:23

sign in to work for him. but

38:25

also we don't know the exact time.

38:28

That. Neuralgia Mclaren. Yeah

38:30

like how don't like he was working

38:32

on one on a lot for. Yeah.

38:35

Play that role day like which he

38:37

obviously was, Then. Know, I

38:39

understand your frustration that he was. Ruled. Out

38:41

so quickly. Yeah. Neural.

38:44

Best friend, see, you can't All

38:47

also pointed out that Naral was

38:49

placed in Northern New South Wales

38:51

where Mullet was working at the

38:54

time. By. That. Truck driver

38:56

so. Just.

38:58

Because he was working doesn't mean he

39:00

couldn't have done something like this year.

39:03

Karen and her family did

39:06

everything they could define Rl.

39:08

Karen. Told The Daily Examiner that

39:10

they drove from their hometown to

39:12

Brisbane looking for information about morale

39:14

that could help find her. Current.

39:17

Said quote He called into every nook

39:19

and cranny along the way we had

39:21

photos and were asking people. Whether they had

39:23

seen her when we got to. Brisbane. We went

39:26

to police station. But. They never

39:28

knew anything about it. They had. they

39:30

had never heard of Neural. They had

39:32

never been notified. While.

39:36

Than. What a slap

39:38

in the face of their family. I.

39:40

Know like they're doing all the

39:42

leg work. everything that they can

39:45

to find. Her and they get

39:47

there and they're like to. Oh.

39:50

My. God. Because. They assume

39:52

she ran away. Probably

39:54

Honestly? probably and. They.

39:57

Or they just assume that she is

39:59

never going to be fun one because

40:01

her case has been cold for years

40:03

and unfortunately a small out was the

40:06

person who abducted Or L. Cox. Her.

40:08

Family will likely never have defended

40:10

event answers. But

40:13

they like many. Others are hopeful that one

40:16

day they will know the truth. There.

40:19

Are at least twenty one other victims that

40:21

have been named by the media as possible

40:23

suspects of I've in the last. Son.

40:26

Who were hitchhiking? some who

40:29

simply disappeared, Again,

40:31

none of these victims have ever been

40:33

definitively connected to Mullet, but I do

40:36

want to quickly share their names and

40:38

the details of their disappearance, because while

40:40

there's no definitive link. Fake had

40:42

still potentially be victims. And

40:44

they are still missing. Or. Murdered.

40:48

Yeah, they all don't have

40:50

answered. Their families all don't have answers.

40:54

Eighteen year old and need a

40:56

cunningham and nineteen year old robin

40:58

when ville bat bar tran or

41:00

hitchhiking to Queensland in July. Nineteen

41:02

seventy two when they disappeared. Robin.

41:06

Was later found shot to death with a

41:08

twenty two caliber gun. And.

41:11

And need as remains have never been found.

41:15

Eighteen year old grab Gabrielle

41:17

Junkie and sixteen year old

41:19

Michelle Riley were hitchhiking to

41:21

the Gold Coast in October

41:23

nineteen seventy three when they

41:25

disappeared and both of their

41:27

bodies were later found in

41:29

shallow graves under branches. Twenty

41:33

one year old Lydia Not left a

41:35

friend's house in Queensland A October Nineteen.

41:37

Seventy Six. And was ever seen again. Twenty

41:41

two year old Barbara Carol Brown

41:44

disappeared after leaving Melbourne, Melbourne to

41:46

hitchhike to Queensland in May nineteenth

41:49

of the A. Twenty

41:52

year old Stephen Lap Thorn and

41:54

eighteen year old Michelle Pope were

41:56

traveling by car to Bharara when

41:59

they disappeared. Michelle.

42:02

Car also has never been found.

42:07

Twenty. Two year old Allen Martin

42:09

Fox and seventeen year old and a

42:11

key Adrian saying disappeared when hitchhiking to

42:13

Can See in January. Nineteen seventy Nine.

42:17

In July, nineteen Seventy Nine, fifteen

42:19

year old Tommy Mari Cavanaugh and

42:21

sixteen year old K. Daugherty disappeared

42:23

after heading to a disco in.

42:25

Guangdong. Seventeen.

42:28

Year old can cherry tear

42:30

disappeared and East Melbourne. With.

42:33

Her border collie. In

42:35

September, Nineteen Seventy Nine while she

42:38

was hitchhiking Adelaide. In.

42:41

February nineteen eighty seventeen year old A

42:43

Lane Johnson and eighteen year old Carry

42:46

an Jaw were hitchhiking to lie on

42:48

and Milan as the prensa prime suspect

42:50

in their disappearance since work record show

42:52

that he was employed in the area

42:55

at the time. In

42:57

June Nineteen Eighty, Deborah Balkan and

43:00

Chilean Jamison were seen with a

43:02

man wearing a cowboy hat in

43:05

a tavern. In. Parramatta.

43:08

After which they disappeared. Molasses

43:11

Question and questioned in their case

43:13

but obviously never gave any details

43:15

and he is on never been

43:18

named a suspect. Twenty

43:20

year old Julian Lazy and Leslie

43:22

David toasts act went missing in

43:24

April. Nineteen Eighty One after. Hitchhiking

43:26

a Byron Bay on a surfing tread.

43:30

On. March Night on March tenth, Ninety

43:32

Ninety One twenty two year old com

43:34

in the for a hidden was seen

43:37

hitchhiking on the Hume Highway near Liverpool

43:39

when she disappeared. And

43:42

finally, fourteen year old Melanie Merrill Sutton

43:44

and sixteen year olds had ever it.

43:46

Sutton left for school in Queensland on

43:49

November ninth in November nineteen Ninety Two,

43:51

when they decided to hitchhike to Perth

43:53

to find their father and it is

43:55

believed they pass through the belong goal

43:58

of State Forest. By. It

44:00

appeared and were never seen again. There.

44:03

Are a lot of cases that.

44:06

Don't. Have answers and have the potential

44:08

to be connected. I a lot, and

44:10

I truly believe that at least some

44:13

of these were connected to hand. Definitely.

44:15

Some. Of the one that we talked about

44:17

and of earlier an episode but some of

44:19

these later ones. There's. A possibility

44:21

that they were connected to ham

44:23

and. Who knows

44:25

if there will ever be answers. And there's also

44:27

a possibility that. There. Are many many more

44:29

that. We don't

44:32

know about with Elite. Yeah, yeah.

44:35

I'm like I'm sorry, but he did

44:37

not just commit seven murders to Nineteen

44:39

Eighty Nine and Ninety Ninety Two. Yeah,

44:42

I don't believe that either. I think. At

44:45

the very least there was an ex. Escalation.

44:49

Period where he had that does

44:51

even if he was it murdering

44:53

them yet but I definitely and

44:55

that he had murdered. More.

44:57

People. Prior. To

44:59

the eighties and nineties Does because of

45:01

his age. I mean, yeah, doubly just

45:04

because of his age. Yeah.

45:06

There's no way that he just started

45:08

killing at Forty Five after having a

45:10

criminal history that went back to him

45:12

being thirteen years old. Right

45:14

if we are dealing with like a

45:16

brain injury air you know some traumatic

45:18

event or something that happened later in

45:21

life that cause him to scenario thing

45:23

maybe but now he had no. A

45:26

long history of criminal

45:28

activity. So

45:30

yeah, He definitely has

45:32

other victims out there. Year.

45:36

Before. We on this final episode on either

45:38

Mullet we need to. Talk about his

45:40

great nephew. Hey.

45:56

Matthew Miller who was born Matthew

45:59

Mule Man. Was. Only

46:01

a toddler when I venmo out with

46:03

caught. Into. They can dictate for

46:05

the seven horrific murders. Ivan

46:08

Mullah was his great uncle. So

46:10

Matthews mother was the daughter of

46:12

one of Ivan siblings. Matthew.

46:16

Believed that his. Great Uncle was

46:18

guilty of the murders unlike a lot

46:20

of them a lap family. Okay,

46:23

okay. By. Instead of

46:25

being appalled by. I then like for a

46:27

small out was. He was

46:30

intrigued. He.

46:32

Looked up to hand and a friend

46:35

would later say that Matthew bragged about

46:37

his great Uncle. Yeah.

46:40

Need that he changed his last name, right?

46:42

Yeah. When he was fourteen years old,

46:44

in two thousand and seven, Matthew changed

46:47

his name to Matthew Malachi. Taking

46:49

his mother's maiden name, Sec.

46:53

And then just three years later,

46:55

he quite literally walked in his

46:57

uncle' footsteps when he committed a

46:59

murder. Know. Are. In

47:02

November, twenty ten, seventeen year old

47:04

Matthew and Is Frank Oh incline

47:06

invited a friend of theirs named

47:09

David Us to Loanee out to

47:11

celebrate his birthday. They

47:13

claim that they were going to get together hang out,

47:15

And. Smoke Weed. But instead

47:17

they did the unthinkable.

47:21

They. Took David to the belong

47:23

go see forest where they bound

47:25

tortured and murdered ham with a

47:28

double sided acts. Oh.

47:30

My. God. Yeah.

47:36

Matthew was the main aggressor,

47:38

while Cohen recorded. The whole thing

47:40

on his phone. The.

47:42

Next day, David was found buried in a

47:45

shallow grave beside a dirt road a kilometer

47:47

from the Hume Highway. Thankfully.

47:50

It did not take long for

47:52

investigators to suspect Matthew my lap

47:54

and they ended up finding that

47:57

recording and. There. Was no

47:59

get Now that. Matthew.

48:02

Was arrested for the murder and in two

48:04

thousand and twelve or just nineteen years old,

48:06

he was sentenced to forty three years in

48:08

prison, with a minimum of thirty before being

48:11

considered for parole. He.

48:13

Actually pleaded guilty and the judge

48:15

it his sentencing said quote the

48:18

guilty plea. Was based not on

48:20

remorse that on arrest recognition of

48:22

the inevitable because police had seized

48:24

the audio recording. And.

48:27

It was like us i feel like

48:29

a fuck you because he was like

48:31

all obsesses, uncle and following in his

48:34

quote unquote footsteps. Yeah I like I'm

48:36

a deliberate yeah like a fuck yeah

48:38

the i'm guilty look at me of

48:41

a bad as. A real

48:43

and the fact that he like didn't

48:45

get life is a so sick. But.

48:48

He also might not get parole. The.

48:50

Of yeah. We can hope

48:52

that, but you never know. You. Never

48:54

know and are now. This.

48:57

Is scary because after committing murder, Matthew

48:59

said to a friend quote, "You know

49:01

me, you know my family, you know

49:03

the last name A" I did what they

49:05

do. Is set up what they

49:07

do. I may. I pay a

49:10

no. Sir

49:12

I. Know some but. Unlike

49:15

his great uncle, Matthew did not

49:17

maintain his innocence like he just

49:19

said. He bragged about it, and

49:21

he even wrote poetry about his

49:23

crime. One poem entitled your Last

49:26

Day. Set.

49:29

A I like that. Like

49:31

you know, obviously we hate.

49:34

Either malachi. To. But

49:36

like he was. For. A

49:39

lack of better word, skilled at what

49:41

he did and probably got away with

49:43

it for many many decades. and this

49:45

little torkham then trying to be somebody

49:47

that he's an eye and trying to

49:49

put forward this side of the stuff

49:51

like pathetic you know like is already

49:53

had led a for be a murderer

49:55

but like to be a fake murderer

49:58

if that makes sense like that. The

50:00

and new level of. At

50:02

now? Pathetic? Yeah, it is.

50:05

And this is. I. Guess

50:07

a little bit funny when I venmo out

50:09

with asked about Matthew. He was

50:11

shocked and dismayed by the crime.

50:14

And. Co. A criminologist

50:16

named Amanda Howard later talk to

50:18

a any True Crime about it

50:20

and said quote given. Ivan Malachi

50:22

always claimed his innocence. he wouldn't

50:24

post. About having another killer in the family.

50:28

So that kind of makes sense where he

50:30

was, like, he tried to be like, "Oh,

50:32

I can't believe somebody would do that, thanks

50:34

how the fuck" His fi bear

50:36

as is like car this kid is

50:38

like not even good. he does he

50:41

guy now next day like he's not.

50:43

it's not my kin. Yeah. It's

50:45

absolutely sick and. Yeah,

50:49

so that is the case

50:51

of Ivan Mullet, the murders

50:54

of Joanne Caroline, Deborah, James,

50:56

Simone, Anja and Gabor and.

50:58

Many others suspected Milan

51:00

victims. And.

51:02

With that. I've

51:05

and mullah is done. A. Him going

51:07

to. Take. A breather. Because

51:09

I've been deep into this case for

51:12

way too long and I need a

51:14

break by. I wanted to cover this

51:16

whole case in full depth. I wanted

51:19

to share all the victims' stories. I

51:21

wanted to share all the potential victims

51:23

and. Really

51:25

talk about this. Disgusting

51:27

inhuman monster. Yeah.

51:30

I mean I think you did a

51:33

really great job of covering every detail

51:35

that needed to be shared his the

51:37

they don't have likely always try to

51:39

us you know plus are the most

51:42

important and. They needed

51:44

their own up so. Even. though

51:46

zachary excellent technically than linked.

51:48

Fully. Without. Reasonable.

51:51

Doubt You know he's you'll

51:53

never know. And they're It's

51:55

almost also for the like.

51:57

unspoken. For all the other victims out there

51:59

that. Have never even been identified.

52:01

As potential victims of I've

52:03

been the last year but

52:06

that. Is all I have for you

52:08

guys today. We will have a brand

52:10

new episodes for you next week and

52:12

until then he be human.