Luis Perez-Breva, the author of "Innovating: A Doer's Manifesto for Starting from a Hunch", shares how innovation is the subject of countless books and courses, but there's very little out there about how you actually innovate. He and host Dave Robertson will also discuss how innovation and entrepreneurship are not one and the same, although aspiring innovators often think of them that way. Dave's second guest is Hugh Molotsi, the CEO of Ujama, who talks about the concept of "lean" startups and his work as a consultant to other entrepreneurs.