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Michael. Good to see you. Good to see you, Jay. Long day

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today. Long day. Yeah, I mean, we started at

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10, you know, 1030, you're here 11. And

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it's really not that long of a day, but we

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do so much talking and things that it feels like

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a really long day. Oh, I want to be tired

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when I leave. Yeah. Oh, I'll be tired. I'll need

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of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in

5:46

front of alive. Well, this is a this is

5:48

a certainly a dream to have you in the

5:50

studio it is You

5:53

look why you laugh? I've done

5:56

70 films over 70 films

5:58

and TV and Broadway You're

6:00

an accomplished artist. You have work in the

6:02

Smithsonian. I mean if I have

6:06

every right to be Enamored well,

6:09

thank you very much. I really appreciate. Yeah,

6:11

this is this this is fantastic Um, the

6:13

first thing you said in here said

6:15

you said which I don't know how I

6:18

believe it Maybe artists maybe are like this

6:20

because you're a real artist. You said

6:22

you're disorganized Yeah,

6:24

yeah, I Think

6:27

that's a secret to my

6:29

success really disorganization So

6:32

I'm OCD so everything has to be

6:34

in place. Well, I'm a walking absurdity

6:38

So why what do you mean? Well,

6:41

I don't know. It's a it's a kind of

6:43

a whimsical kind of a bit

6:45

of tacit humor I

6:47

guess That I sort

6:49

of rely on I guess for Most

6:51

of my life so you don't

6:54

care if something's out of place or not

6:56

really No, I think you can learn a

6:58

lot from things being out of place Probably

7:01

more than you realize Yeah,

7:04

my therapist tells me that

7:06

as long as your life is organized around

7:09

you then you can Do

7:11

your work you can focus

7:13

if it's it's everything's a mess.

7:15

Well, that's why I surround myself

7:17

with people like Marcy And

7:22

you've been with the same woman pretty much

7:24

for set since 72 Marcy and I've known

7:26

each other over what how long Marcy Is

7:31

yeah Yeah,

7:34

she's been with you. Yeah, she's

7:38

She's a wonderful human being. Well,

7:40

you look fantastic. Do you always

7:42

is that something since was

7:44

it was? Inside

7:46

you since you were young did your mother

7:49

instill that on you where you look good

7:51

when you go out you were you look

7:53

nice well, they were pretty fashionable people my

7:55

my mother and my father and my

7:58

grandmother and the

8:00

people I come from. I

8:05

always remember one thing I was talking about the

8:07

other day, as a matter of fact, I was

8:09

saying about my mom and dad, mommy and

8:12

daddy were always very

8:14

fashionable. They always tried to, I

8:18

had a twin sister, lady,

8:22

and they always

8:25

kept us looking presentable.

8:30

Yeah. And even when they

8:32

had shoes that

8:34

had holes in their shoes and they had to put

8:36

paper in the holes

8:39

to make it look like there's no hole, to fill it up.

8:41

Yeah. Wow. Well,

8:43

we all grew up in New York City, so there's obviously

8:46

a lot of inclement weather, snow

8:48

and rain and stuff like that.

8:50

But anyway, they

8:53

were, yeah, I

8:55

think, you know, even Mother's Day, I

8:58

talk about it in the book, as a

9:00

matter of fact, and Mother's Day was always

9:02

the corsage, you

9:05

know, the little flowers. Yeah. And

9:08

all that sort of stuff. So we were

9:10

very conscious of that

9:12

kind of, it made us, my

9:14

sister and I, very conscious and aware

9:16

of, you know, the whole

9:19

idea of looking, being presentable, so

9:21

to speak. I love that you

9:24

were so worldly. It feels like your

9:27

family, like instilled, like, whether it's acting

9:30

or art or all these things, that

9:32

was always going on in your house.

9:34

Well, I come from a very creative

9:37

background. I mean, I

9:40

was never a thug, I was always a

9:43

product of a lot of creativity. My

9:48

life has been essentially

9:51

an eclectic life,

9:54

life, you know, for early in my, at

9:57

a very early point in my life. I

9:59

Mean, to be on Broadway, Where the age of seventy

10:01

six and seventy as it. Ever

10:03

occurred vile musical with third Love a

10:05

when yeah. I. Mean as that

10:07

at that stage in my life. I

10:09

mean it was a kind of experience.

10:12

I. Think. Most. People

10:14

don't have. You know nobody has. yeah.

10:17

I. Me: I can't imagine that seven

10:19

years old, you're on Broadway, I mean,

10:22

or your parents. sort of. Very. Loving

10:24

and you know are they were one

10:26

of the seen as I like him

10:28

and they were. They were wonderful people.

10:31

As. Far as I have to come back

10:34

to this life again, the those I

10:36

was What? Those. People's

10:38

of A, my parents and. And

10:41

want live from from father of

10:43

mommy daddy grandma me. And

10:45

the lady and those are the for people that

10:47

have shaped by life so. Wow.

10:50

And how so I mean, how do they save

10:52

your life? What was it about That will? I

10:54

was just wonderful. The human beings and that. Was.

10:57

Certainly my grandmother was from the virtuous

10:59

than these. Never. Became an

11:01

American citizen. The always remain that

11:03

versa. A. British subject. As

11:06

you sit on their houses singing

11:08

Rule Britannia of Roots and Rule

11:11

the Waves Fred Ten never never

11:13

shall Be slaves So the that

11:16

the you got that aspect and

11:18

then of course you gov My

11:20

father's side which is often Texas

11:23

cowboys. And loans. Wow

11:25

An interesting. They were all very

11:27

assessing people. I would say that

11:29

my family were eccentrics The hell

11:31

am I gonna say or sounds

11:34

very eccentric a my family we

11:36

weren't eccentric not and my sister.

11:38

You. Know my sister was a brave

11:40

see I was a straight A

11:43

student. From. The very

11:45

beginning of school until

11:47

college. And she ended

11:50

up working for at that time

11:52

A D A D. And

11:54

invested money and stuff like that and me.

11:56

She was up for a variety of of

11:59

the your extraordinary. The blacks or

12:01

we're a progressive people. I, you

12:03

know, I. Look at you and I. I.

12:06

I feel like wow, How lucky. Because.

12:09

A lot of people don't have that. You. Know

12:11

that our this rollout? absolute. You.

12:13

Know I think that's and we grew up around

12:15

the what they call that that time the a

12:18

black bourgeoisie. In the desert

12:20

the they serve vary from the

12:22

people who were raising their children

12:24

to. Meet the right people

12:27

have get to the as an all out

12:29

so stuff really like a cheap for I

12:31

grew up around loan you dated someone that

12:33

was your mom will you with your parents

12:35

they say they liked her not with a

12:37

very vocal another they they were from let

12:39

like my girlfriend that sounds are they who.

12:42

Ah, her father was, I think

12:44

the. Think you. A principle

12:46

of the school. And

12:49

there's no. They. Were. No.

12:51

I don't know I mean there are always

12:54

looking I was always serve like of. Ah,

12:57

a veranda was my hero in

12:59

the Us. And I was. I

13:01

saw, I can I live my life in this

13:04

kind of of. A. Maverick way In

13:06

a. While. Everybody was dressing

13:08

up. As for continuous stuff like that

13:10

I would show up and the. And

13:13

a ragged the. Jacket. Stuff

13:15

like that. Why was a thing? I

13:18

was a well you I just saw

13:20

lights. I. Didn't wanna be

13:22

like then I wanna be like them now.

13:25

And. In a you get in acting it's

13:27

such a young age. I just had an

13:29

actor who get his gameplay the next Lex

13:31

Luthor and we're talking about and he started

13:33

at like three or five and. Yet

13:35

he came from a family where everybody

13:37

was acting and doing these things. But

13:39

it seems like he started. you know,

13:41

specially after you probably are you then.

13:44

Sort. Of do have the bug your

13:46

you just love it. Oh yeah I

13:48

know my mom took me for for

13:50

the or this is use working. ah

13:53

on the at the as an

13:55

elevator operator that became a secondary

13:57

as who's working have a license

13:59

theater for Ben Boyer and Max

14:01

Gordon. They were managers,

14:04

probably managers and producers.

14:08

And they were doing this musical and then

14:10

they needed a little boy, a cute

14:13

little boy, and I was a cute little boy, of

14:15

course. And so I

14:18

went in audition. They had me walk across

14:20

stage one time, two times, and

14:22

I liked it so much I wanted to do it

14:24

the third time. And they said, Billy, no, no, no,

14:26

no, that's okay. And I started crying,

14:28

so I always said I cried my way at the show.

14:34

But that's

14:36

how, at that particular moment, I never

14:38

felt I looked for to be

14:41

an actor. I never looked for anything,

14:43

really. I mean, things sort of just came

14:46

my way. And every time I

14:48

thought I felt like I should go right,

14:50

something would say, no, no, no, Billy, go

14:52

left. I remember reading

14:55

a book, Catch an Arai, and

14:58

I thought that boy was me.

15:00

I'm sort of living

15:02

this adventure. So I was

15:04

sort of with

15:07

a kind of, I guess, an

15:09

innocence, a kind of

15:11

naivete. I would always

15:14

just sort of find myself in

15:16

situations that I'm

15:18

always curious. You

15:22

know, are you still that way? Yeah, I'm still

15:24

that way. You're still curious about that. Yeah. I'm

15:27

like a sponge. I'm always interested.

15:29

I don't really even the whole idea of

15:32

sitting here and talking about myself. I really

15:34

don't really enjoy

15:36

that. Oh, great. No, I love it.

15:38

I'm glad you came because it's just

15:41

what this is. This podcast is

15:43

sort of, we

15:46

talk about real things, about real

15:48

life, about how we face

15:50

adversity, how we deal with mental health.

15:53

And so a lot of these big actors that come

15:55

in, well, you know, it's like for

15:57

me, I come from dysfunction. I

16:00

need therapy. I go to therapy. It really

16:02

helps And

16:05

my whole life I didn't realize I was such an

16:07

anxious person and all this because of my environment Well,

16:09

I probably all these Have you

16:11

gone to therapy? I've never gone to there not

16:13

once. Well, I mean life is there to me

16:17

Well, how do you learn from your mistakes? Do you just are

16:19

you just that? Good

16:22

at saying, okay, I won't do that again. I think

16:24

for the most part. Yeah I I'm

16:26

not an addictive personality or anything like that

16:29

So I can let go of things when I

16:31

find that it doesn't work and you always had

16:34

this love for art Yeah,

16:36

always. I mean more so than acting No,

16:39

I you know it Life

16:42

is art Living is

16:44

art Just existing is

16:46

art How I

16:48

how one Differentiates

16:50

is I

16:53

don't know that I've really spent much time

16:56

Doing that. Maybe I should have Well,

16:59

you're not someone who dwells you're not

17:02

someone who has one foot in

17:04

the past one foot in the future and kind of pisses

17:06

on the present Too

17:11

much work really when

17:13

you started into the business, I know You

17:17

were frustrated I read about that where you were

17:19

frustrated with sort of like, you know The roles

17:21

you were getting and things that you

17:24

know, cuz Hollywood was different and they weren't giving

17:26

opportunities to black Black people and

17:28

it was just probably incredibly frustrating. Yeah. I

17:30

yeah, I suppose. Yeah I mean, but I

17:32

don't dwell on things like that, you know,

17:34

I don't really care about stuff like that

17:36

I know I do what I want to

17:38

do and and

17:41

I think I'm Creative

17:44

enough to figure

17:46

out how to I'm

17:48

always looking for a way to make things

17:50

unique So

17:55

I don't spend my time Feeling

17:58

like a victim. Most

18:01

people do. They. Are most people do with

18:03

are now all of them. Are. Ya

18:06

just that one some is like okay

18:08

that there's there's enough. The golden. Of

18:11

Figaro, a way to get around it or through

18:13

it. And. When I'll do

18:15

it. And the way to that. Gives

18:18

me the As and is. At

18:21

least to some degree. Yeah, You

18:23

know it. For me, it's being

18:25

innovative. And and the

18:28

challenge in the the fun to me.

18:30

Is. To try to figure out a do things in

18:32

a way. That. Most

18:35

people are not used to saying. Oh,

18:38

witnessing in there and and their.

18:41

Daily. Lives yeah, you seem

18:43

like. Someone. Who never was

18:45

really affected by the business. He didn't let

18:47

it eat you up, on on on that

18:49

at all. You love a A. A

18:53

R E This and it was. It came to

18:55

me and the. Is been good

18:57

to me and the. And

19:00

it on it never stop me from

19:02

living. As of our five I found

19:04

myself. Involved with

19:07

people. That. I was. You know that?

19:10

Normally wouldn't be along with a

19:12

means. You. End up working with

19:14

people like a Paul Mooney while great

19:16

actors as countries have a produce a

19:19

Luther Adler. In awe

19:21

of people from the it

19:23

is of. And

19:25

five years of working with

19:28

Johnny Fluoride in. And.

19:30

And having and I worked with her. Suit.

19:33

I had seen a little seen whether she

19:35

was really sweet don't allow right? yeah, Laurence

19:37

Olivier? his wife? Yeah right. Yeah, She was

19:39

lovely. Near. And we did a

19:41

taste of honey together on Now it. and

19:44

he if i as of working with as little

19:46

as very spending time with. Olivier.

19:48

I smell our time. And. Talking

19:50

to and with. Ah

19:53

laws, Olivia. I only saw

19:55

yeah, what do you talk about with

19:57

Laurence Olivier? Lonnie I remember the first

19:59

time. him. I was really

20:01

enamored with him at night. I

20:04

didn't know what to say to him. So I just

20:07

walked up to him and gave him a kiss on the cheek. And

20:11

he just got a big kick out of that. In

20:14

the meantime, I was always busy flirting with

20:16

Joni. Was she gorgeous in

20:18

her prime? Joni

20:20

was never really gorgeous. I just

20:22

saw her on Instagram the other

20:24

day. I couldn't believe

20:28

how she's like an old, old,

20:30

old person who's hard of hearing.

20:34

She's on Instagram? She

20:36

and Maggie Smith. Wow.

20:39

And it was

20:41

another great English actress. And they

20:43

were complaining about Judi Dench. They

20:47

were complaining that Judi Dench was

20:49

being given all of the roles.

20:51

And then nobody was

20:54

choosing them for these roles that Judi

20:56

Dench ends up with. But

20:58

anyway, I thought it was very, it

21:00

was quite amusing. And Joni is

21:03

sitting and going, what?

21:05

What? She didn't understand

21:08

what they were talking about. So

21:11

it was pretty amusing. I asked

21:14

Olivier if, you know,

21:16

the beauty of Olivier was that he, I, as

21:18

a kid, I was 23 years old at the

21:20

time. I mean, and

21:23

I had a lot of questions, you know,

21:25

as an actor, as a

21:27

actor, as a person,

21:30

right? But certainly as an actor, you

21:32

know, and the

21:35

one thing I learned about Olivier was

21:37

that, you know, he

21:39

would let me ask questions. He was

21:41

always asking me questions. He

21:43

was always probing me. And,

21:45

and I kept saying, and I

21:47

thought, oh my God, this is why this guy's as

21:50

good as he is. Because he's

21:52

not busy trying to show the world, you

21:54

know, showing off the fact that he's lost

21:56

Olivier. But you know, he was a

21:59

very, he's learning from. each human he

22:01

meets. He wants to learn something. He

22:03

was one of those kind of performers.

22:05

I think

22:08

he was criticized in his career

22:11

because he was not from what

22:13

they call the Edmund Kane

22:17

School of Acting. Gil

22:20

Good was more like that, working

22:22

from the neck up. He

22:25

was more about the

22:27

body. He was more physical. He would always be

22:30

criticized because he would do

22:36

these crazy things on the stage. People

22:38

were criticizing him for it. It was

22:41

like Rachmaninoff. Those kind of guys I

22:43

loved. They come along and they just

22:45

do things that they

22:48

just break all the rules.

22:50

I asked one day, I

22:52

said, did you ever, had

22:55

you ever thought about playing

22:57

Othello? He said, yeah, yeah, I thought

22:59

about it. When

23:01

I think of Othello, he was saying, when

23:04

I think of Othello, I think of Paul Robeson

23:07

and Robeson's voice and his stature.

23:12

Interestingly enough, when he

23:14

did finally take on the role of

23:16

Othello and it was videotaped, I

23:18

don't know if you've ever seen it, but

23:21

it's really quite interesting, his performance. He

23:26

deepened his voice and

23:29

he went through

23:32

that process. Also, when

23:34

he walked around, he

23:37

stuck his ass out and walked around with

23:39

his ass because black people still have big

23:41

asses. Are

23:45

they? When I

23:48

saw it, I fell out laughing. I

23:50

thought it was hysterical because he

23:54

had the courage to do stuff that

23:58

broke all the rules. You know,

24:00

which made it all the more fascinating to watch

24:02

him. Did you feel like that in your career?

24:05

Do you feel like you were, you were trying

24:07

to do that? That was always the kind of

24:09

actor I was. I was always

24:11

trying to break rules, trying to make for

24:13

me. It was always about heroic heroics

24:16

and a vulnerability.

24:18

Yes. Vulnerability was always

24:21

very important to me. If you want

24:23

to make, make a really interesting hero.

24:26

Do you want him to be liked? Yeah. You

24:28

want him to be liked. Cagney. C.

24:31

Robinson. Yeah. They

24:34

were all liked. And I said they're liked

24:36

because there was something about them. Well, first

24:39

Cagney always had his Ma. That

24:41

was one. him. Bette

24:45

Davis. She was always like my favorite.

24:48

She could create a hell. Yeah,

24:50

but you loved her. You wanted

24:52

to fight. You wanted to see her create

24:55

a hell. But like whatever happened to baby

24:57

Jane. Yeah. Like you're watching her and you're

24:59

like, oh my gosh, she's crazy. She's evil.

25:01

And then you see these little nuances, but

25:03

it's like an exercise. Yeah, you know, what's

25:06

his name? The English actor is

25:08

a brilliant actor. It's like a

25:10

carpenter. Oh, what's his name from

25:13

my left foot and Lincoln Daniel

25:15

Day-Lewis. Yeah, is that you

25:18

love him? Yeah. Yeah. He

25:22

breaks rules. He gets so

25:24

locked into what he does is scare.

25:26

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27:42

you ever scary cel? Dalia? Were. Just

27:45

yourself Why I played those One

27:47

character played to a couple. Of.

27:50

A one character I did a plague

27:52

whole slew of that some kilogram. Randall.

27:56

And I saw a lower Randall

27:58

browser. Crazy. He. He

28:00

was his characters based on a kid up

28:03

for it and good. Who. Is

28:05

running the around New York City

28:07

with an umbrella of with Us.

28:10

So spear on the on the end

28:12

of the. The Umbrella. And

28:15

they finally caught up on Lady Kill his mom.

28:18

Anyway as a little man who wrote

28:20

the verse or designated on the killing

28:22

off he will display about with. I

28:25

was about three people actually, but he this

28:27

kid was one of the characters. And.

28:30

I really got caught up and with

28:32

that character of Fires Williams actually did

28:34

it on Broadway. First I did it

28:36

off wrong with then I went into

28:38

a Toronto. And. It of

28:40

Flora Cvc Television. Are

28:43

you someone is eat sometimes watch a

28:45

performance and say look I do differently.

28:49

Yeah yeah I ate up bigger than

28:51

life is always a big thing with

28:53

me. here in a while I gonna

28:55

it's okay to the to dwell on

28:58

and all of these realities that we

29:00

find ourselves mired in the like. Prejudice.

29:03

And bigotry of all I can have

29:05

suffered. That. That's not important

29:08

thing was important to me is. Ill.

29:10

I I got from when I got really friendly

29:12

with. With.

29:14

Of Paul Mooney when I did my very

29:17

first movie. Or The Last

29:19

Angry Man. And he analyzes were

29:21

lot of time talking. And.

29:23

One of the things we always talked about as at the.

29:27

Ah, You know it, no

29:29

matter what I'm in, no matter who you are

29:32

you should be able to play if you're an

29:34

app is a be as a play any currency

29:36

wanna play no matter. Who

29:39

you are? What was your ethnic right?

29:41

and allergies are acting Yeah. You.

29:43

Know that that's the challenge is

29:45

to convince people. That. Years.

29:47

Something that you're really not. But.

29:51

You really are You know I

29:53

have of i play had a

29:55

tough guy and are crazy. I

29:57

have to just make it believable. I'm and in play.

30:00

That yeah, Rand. And

30:02

yet take chances. Like Jack Lazily, I

30:04

met him once. I mean, we've. Got.

30:07

To be fragile. that. And we the

30:09

guy was one of them on screen. Scary as

30:11

people in the world. When. You when you met

30:13

him. Or like Dick Butkus.

30:17

Who is There's the I He

30:19

you, the Stripe Evil. People.

30:21

On the fee on the a football field. For.

30:23

Wrote. For. Of poetry

30:25

a friendlier, On

30:28

an automatic realize. It's least

30:30

it's like either when you when you meet

30:32

a boxer. A. Fighter as you

30:34

shake his hand. And. I'm

30:39

always surprised how software has law.

30:42

For. The looking at I have oak and

30:44

devastated. Fry. I

30:46

mean is and I love I'm explaining my

30:48

now you are you are It makes perfect

30:50

sense I mean just opposition side of stuff

30:53

you know. Mike. Tyson.

30:55

Might finally alley of yeah Mike Mike

30:57

Tyson said he like just watched I

30:59

don't do a good tyson but they

31:01

said years when you get out there

31:03

were you thinking eating as I don't

31:05

want myself. Is equity me I

31:07

do such as. The. Person I become

31:09

an old I liked and I've seen him talk about the

31:12

A's like I just knew I'd I'd just. I.

31:14

Don't like the upper I like to be. So

31:16

in other words when he's not fighting is not

31:18

getting into that mode know as oh Allah the

31:21

earth yeah Where you someone who could just drop

31:23

it like that if your plane or all. While.

31:25

I saw a lot of one guard said it it

31:28

was a jazz. Who. Loves his.

31:30

And grew up around says. And.

31:33

I swear load times with people. My.

31:35

My wife has his or. Her

31:38

ex husband or his days as

31:41

died recently. Was

31:43

always sure. But

31:46

I'd love strength our own. Like

31:49

Nervy. Those guys

31:51

are those avenue when he was

31:53

alive. Of. The I

31:55

Love that. That. And

31:57

is and that kind of energy. On

31:59

but. Anyway, there

32:01

was one character I played, Slate

32:04

Thompson, and I used to talk

32:06

like that, yeah. Hey,

32:08

Avvo. And

32:12

I fell in love with the guy. I wanted to

32:14

be that character forever. I wanted to be him. You

32:16

would talk like that even when it was over? Yeah,

32:18

right. I was like, I really got caught up with

32:21

this guy. Did someone tell you, hey, stop doing

32:23

that? Or no? Not

32:26

that I remember. But

32:30

every now and again, you run into

32:33

certain situations and

32:35

certain characters. You're an actor, obviously. So

32:38

you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. For

32:41

me, it's always about experience,

32:43

life experience. It's

32:45

about, I remember how

32:47

someone in my life treated me,

32:50

and I'm going to use that. And

32:52

I'm going to use that anger. And

32:54

it pays off, especially when it's coming from

32:56

a real place. So

32:59

experience is the number one thing

33:01

for an actor, I think. I think if they. But

33:03

you got to learn to let it go, too. You

33:05

can't just be that

33:07

character. No. No, no, I

33:09

couldn't. I played that guy for seven years,

33:12

Lex Luthor, right here at the statue. Oh.

33:14

Right here. Oh, OK. So

33:16

I was the bad guy, but trying to

33:18

be good. But I sometimes

33:21

would channel the anger

33:23

and channel the emotions. And

33:27

I think everything I do, it's always been

33:29

coming. It came from something. So I appreciate,

33:32

although I wish I had your childhood, at

33:34

the same time, maybe I

33:36

became successful because of certain things that I

33:38

grew up with. Yeah. Well, listen, my whole

33:41

life was not rosy

33:44

by any special. What was it rosy about

33:46

it? Well, I mean, it's

33:48

what all of us go through. When

33:51

we journey through this barren

33:53

sod, this veil of tears, loss,

33:56

you've dealt with a lot of loss. Yeah. The

34:00

You Tube. They're those moments of great doubt

34:02

and great moments when the you really feel

34:04

like. Now. Socket and I commit

34:06

suicide to get the fuck outta here.

34:08

He thought about their. Real?

34:10

You got that dark? yeah. And.

34:13

How did you get out of that? You meet

34:15

somebody and if you fall in love. And

34:18

romance got me out of

34:20

ah man, I mean that's

34:22

that's dark. I mean the

34:24

I've I've had thoughts like

34:27

that where I'm driving and.

34:29

I'm like, well, That.

34:32

My goggles over a bridge. I mean, so be

34:34

it. Me now and I'm like why

34:36

think I'm like oh my God Yeah Yeah

34:38

yeah. Oh and try to reevaluate yourself And

34:40

where does it come from and analyze six

34:42

this? Oh, that's okay as long as a

34:44

learning for all right of Indiana. Long.

34:46

As you know, Do it. There. You.

34:48

Know you are smooth. Flag

34:51

of your eight and six or seven years old

34:54

Lv eighty seven and A for a seven and

34:56

you know everybody always talks about how you the

34:58

smooth this man. And a real

35:00

if any news conversation. Now I see

35:02

why. Without you having to

35:04

do anything. You. Just innately

35:07

smooth full. That's very kind.

35:11

Of aim is it isn't a lump

35:14

I don't really spend any time thinking

35:16

of about it's well best das exactly

35:18

why it is. Because.

35:20

You don't think about it. People that are

35:23

smooth. Don't. Think about being lied

35:25

to. stay on my server. The absolute idiot

35:27

of all. Done. Ill maybe that's

35:29

a good thing. Why? Well

35:31

first of all you lots of lady, they'll

35:34

take his of that seriously. You take your

35:36

work seriously. Leave. I'll take

35:38

itself seriously. Yeah, My favorite

35:40

actor. One of my favorite act as a

35:42

lot that much El masri on a. Really?

35:45

A Loved him. What was about him? The

35:47

love. It. Was one of those got

35:50

a hero's I think that. He.

35:52

That he he was never

35:54

certain and he was get

35:57

involved in situations. Dilemmas.

35:59

And. And so figure out how to get out.

36:02

And he was faking to get out of. The.

36:04

Via dilemma. But

36:06

but it was always the

36:09

vault. Going back to that,

36:11

it's the vulnerability. It

36:13

is. it is. I think you have to have

36:15

that or yeah, it doesn't work as an actor.

36:17

Yeah, I'm. In. Lady sings the

36:19

blues and then. I mean work

36:21

with Diana Ross? by the way. Some.

36:24

Great! We are lot of fun like to them

36:26

because. I. Mean

36:28

that had to be ended. She was she.

36:30

Did She get the choice to pick you.

36:33

Yeah. I think so via a look at

36:35

you meet with her at first Cia met

36:38

the when they add me com and audition.

36:41

And I read with you. He

36:44

i think see that I thing error the

36:46

as I recall we did that as screens

36:48

us together I was the worst. Terrible.

36:50

He was terrible. I was terrible. but

36:52

you got the parts of how terrible

36:55

could you have been because as very

36:57

gaudy. Have

36:59

a keen sense of. What?

37:02

Works and what doesn't work? And.

37:04

He saw the chemistry.

37:07

Between. And. Diane Or

37:09

and Me. You're. Attracted to each other,

37:12

And. We were having so I saw like

37:14

Lives Zulu kids you know during the a

37:16

screen test. And. Iran up

37:18

to me after I did This grants us. And

37:21

in the though, he's a lot of of man. Ah

37:23

he and his own and

37:25

is wonderful. Whimsical. Way

37:28

round of believe you are

37:30

Louis Mckay. Far as

37:32

is gonna talk to these people though, that

37:34

is the people he works with. The steam.

37:37

And. Eyes isn't that you are

37:39

Lose Mckay. Now. So he

37:41

saw that. He saw the. Chemistry.

37:44

The chemistry. Wow. Isn't that

37:46

something to they say when an actor walks into

37:48

a room when he starts.know like. Be. Know

37:50

right away. And. You're saying

37:52

you went in there a didn't matter or anything

37:54

he said well he thought I was a ridiculous

37:56

you moving on. I first. Because

37:59

I had forgotten. The glasses when I did

38:01

the reading the first time and I

38:03

should that I had a difficulty seeing

38:06

the world's at eight. I was trying

38:08

out being a bit arrogant. And.

38:11

But he got a big kick out of it.

38:13

By the way, when I did that characterize do

38:15

it was right in the same year. I.

38:17

Had done. I'm.

38:20

I'm and Gale Sayers and Brian

38:22

saw I meet a something. That.

38:26

Brian. Song. Is.

38:28

One of my all time favorites. It

38:31

is the best performances. It's

38:34

like a love story between two non gay

38:36

men. It is. There's

38:38

so much heart. That.

38:41

I remember watching in high school and English

38:43

class. they made us watch it. And

38:46

I had a D H D. I couldn't focus

38:48

on anything and I was. right?

38:51

There now and I remember crying

38:53

and trying as I knew the

38:55

bell was approaching. How.

38:57

To get those tears like stop, Stop.

38:59

Stop trying to make yourself stop Crafts

39:02

It was so emotional. Ah,

39:04

I'm. I. Always

39:06

tell people that do need to see them

39:08

again. It's. A kind of of.

39:12

Provincial myopic kind of thinking

39:14

as it occurs that prevented.

39:17

Those. Guys from giving us that

39:19

the Academy. From. Giving

39:21

us a Emmys and we were

39:24

nominated? Yeah, but they. Couldn't

39:26

figure out whether they give it to me or give it

39:28

that. And. I'm sure who

39:30

is all based on this whole resulting. So

39:34

they gave it to some English actor for

39:36

his performance. And was a

39:38

six wives of the hundred a year.

39:41

And I thought wow man

39:43

jesus. And the whole

39:45

world all contrary. They.

39:47

Sell along with is this yeah

39:50

this experience that really in a

39:52

lot of ways really ukraine of

39:54

yeah for years people laugh. Even.

39:58

To this day. To.

40:00

This day it was an act of

40:02

love. that experience. And you get

40:04

along with Jimmy Com Oh yeah I I'm

40:07

here. I'm not the kind of to people

40:09

that hang out with each other. Kazumi. Is.

40:12

Italy's a whole different kind of person. Tough.

40:14

Guy. In Ghana. tough

40:17

guy know. Never been a tough

40:19

guy. a lumber, not a fighter nokia. A

40:23

lot ends of. The. Violence and

40:25

fighting. And. Bickering. And.

40:28

And all as of stuff. You ever

40:30

lose your cool onset? No,

40:32

not not once. I

40:36

would hear stories of of people who

40:38

are having difficulty. That. With

40:40

each other and stuff like that and and I

40:42

say really, it I didn't even. Take.

40:44

Notice. Most of the time,

40:46

all of that, I. That's cry while

40:48

you down. Over seventy films double wanna work with? Yeah,

40:52

I. Guess I don't know. If

40:55

that's when the do and it's I have

40:57

to mention Nighthawks gives another movie I love.

40:59

Yeah I loved Nighthawks. Those a good movie.

41:01

I mean it was a great movie. that

41:04

ending where he's in in a kitchen. Or

41:06

is dressed up as a woman. I

41:09

was supposed to do that. url. Really? With

41:11

I refuse to do it. Because

41:13

what you want to dress up like a woman?

41:16

I was s of like a wolf. really with

41:18

apple. That's hilarious. Those lies decide to do it

41:20

then god do. If you know address and I

41:22

go on and I'll do. What

41:25

you find the work with I am we are

41:27

good time the average Talk to him since then.

41:31

The I as of the

41:33

A Gymnasium Allen. On.

41:37

The gun off. Peterson. Trial

41:39

yeah yeah I say work out with

41:42

gonna. Oh, and he's now

41:44

in that Tennessee he moved. There

41:46

was the sly was always there and so

41:48

is Jimmy. A huge you don't

41:50

have any as stories about sly work on the

41:52

sly. Oh he only

41:55

a sly was always it's great, fantastic

41:57

and isn't the I did the i

41:59

was about ten. The golden and then

42:01

sly. And the when I told our

42:03

was I was and I was keeping up with him. I

42:06

use a little bit amazed amazed.

42:09

When. I say did you say like it? could just

42:11

do me a favor. Slow down

42:13

and that flicks other have a little

42:15

I know right? so I can look

42:17

good. Ah yes ah man at it.

42:19

Look, I don't you talk about this

42:21

so much by and a half to

42:23

bring it up because I, you know,

42:25

am I. I'm a diehard Star Wars

42:27

fan too, but I. A.

42:30

It was the first significant black actor

42:32

in a Star Wars franchise, right? Lando.

42:35

Calories. A I guess as of that

42:37

that's what I really doesn't matter of.

42:39

Did you audition for this? Know? I

42:42

was asked Levick out for. George

42:44

called you. Well. I

42:46

I was under contract to a very

42:48

gaudy right for seven years. And.

42:51

I guess they got in touch with of. With.

42:54

Their in. George. Shelley Bergen

42:56

who was my manager who was working for

42:58

a very. They. All work

43:00

everything out. Ah,

43:03

Wasn't. A no brainer. Yeah was in

43:05

the Verena. He was well as. Well.

43:07

As all of the job and good looks

43:09

that everybody wanted. But

43:12

also what you're talking about earlier is

43:14

you you like to be larger than

43:17

life You like to be you know

43:19

and that character had that and the

43:21

vulnerability the I know and that they

43:23

it's always name our land logo resume

43:25

and Isaac hours in a long as

43:27

insisting that we see where that our

43:30

media name wow this is obviously what

43:32

I can deal with that was I

43:34

was a departure was like died adding

43:36

go the. I. I just

43:38

went the opposite way. I didn't do though. You're.

43:41

Okay, Just. Saw me that

43:43

the reason why they had me tom as does.

43:46

A into this whole situation was because

43:48

he was getting a lot of flak.

43:51

About does eight of being as big black

43:53

figure. It out. And that

43:55

so he had the brings he had that

43:57

can clarify that holes as voices. In.

43:59

Of. Though he was singing was. Ah,

44:02

The old cowboys. And

44:05

syndrome. Our and again, the blackout.

44:07

The guy in the White House as what he

44:09

was iowa. Right now. But when I got

44:11

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44:13

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44:15

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44:17

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47:31

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47:33

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47:36

what? Would you

47:38

member your first a film? or you had

47:40

to be nerve wracking you're in a suit

47:42

movie worry loads of of asteroids for awkward

47:44

working with or cursor. Who might

47:46

have some and the summers and unbelievable

47:48

could be the best one of the

47:51

franchise empire, lot of people, sir, I

47:53

think it. By. To do my

47:55

of their. It's. Just. Unbelievable

47:58

with you do with the effects. Were

48:00

you nervous? A little well

48:02

if a big as I was new. And

48:05

I was. Around

48:08

people who had. Established

48:10

so. A family. And

48:13

the he was A or I was

48:15

the new new guy. And

48:17

and I'm not of the very end

48:20

and than an easy. I. Don't

48:22

walk into situations very easily. How

48:25

so? I'll just very

48:27

shy. And them he

48:29

don't talk stimulus to talk to you. He

48:32

I'm I'm just so

48:34

very reticent. I'm A.

48:36

I'm a private person.

48:39

And. I don't

48:41

hang out, you know is really?

48:44

no. He just do the work and

48:46

go home. I do the work and then I'll go home

48:48

that sit there. And the people

48:50

that you worked with like Harrison Kerry Kerry

48:52

was a good friend of mine Carrie Fisher

48:54

cause he was fantastic Club that she was

48:56

fun onset I was in I had a

48:58

lot of fun we always soccer lot. And

49:01

the and see what a brainchild it

49:03

says you see was really a last

49:06

ah my sars. A matter of fact

49:08

I was having. As as

49:10

the Trojan, I was having some caviar. Is

49:13

my good friend the. Ah

49:15

top a schroeder to on the

49:17

gendarme. Ah, who had

49:20

also passed away. Companies past nine

49:22

our guys are now but Carrie Fisher,

49:24

that was the last time you guys

49:26

you have the biggest came by which

49:28

is picking up some caviar and we

49:31

talked for a little bit. And.

49:33

Than like it was yesterday. Yeah,

49:36

She's like that I could just hear

49:38

a Billie and then again get she's

49:40

just yeah, she just she was the

49:42

delights delight. Cease to.

49:45

Tell. Me any time I'm in the

49:48

area. To. Start by our house. here's the

49:50

code. still remember the code and I go mans.

49:52

You make yourself a sandwich with Evans and dumps

49:54

a year on the. On. The

49:56

speaker rousing. bomb as at Yale?

49:59

my yeah, What are you doing

50:01

are making a sandwich? Made me one

50:03

though. I mean she was just it

50:05

was. It was amazing because really mine.

50:07

That's the thing sometimes I'd have to

50:09

stop and go. I don't know what

50:11

such as on. She.

50:13

Has a right look. Here's that I'm sat

50:15

in August. She would go on tangents wells

50:17

like he knows. You tell me about her

50:19

fights with Paul Simon when they were married

50:22

and sometimes he would say the most. Brutal,

50:25

but. Brilliant things

50:27

that you say excuse me for one second

50:29

sea run on the other room and she'd

50:31

write down with he said to her for

50:33

seek it remember and maybe you're right it

50:35

later because she thought it was so genius.

50:38

She got mean are writing. I'm afraid

50:40

we were you inspired by law by her

50:42

to do your book. Oh

50:44

Ally! I started out the I've always

50:46

been writing a little bit here and

50:49

there. Tell me about. Your

50:51

book. What? Have we here?

50:54

Why? Did you feel like you want to

50:56

do this? Well

50:58

again, I was thinking in terms of a

51:00

legacy. And I've

51:02

had such an interesting life. That.

51:05

I thought people were, I know, the an awful

51:07

lot of people who. Have

51:09

a. And. Liked me

51:11

and supported me throughout the years.

51:14

And. Who are curious about my

51:16

life? And I thought oh

51:18

this is time In and out at that age

51:20

now where. It

51:23

would be fun for people to know

51:25

what the I want people to know

51:27

that nothing I'm I'm I'm and that

51:30

being critical. But

51:32

I use when people know that sometimes

51:34

as something a little bit more than

51:36

just feeling like a vector since duration.

51:38

yeah, Yeah, I love that. Originally

51:40

I wanted to do a my life

51:42

story. Based on

51:44

my paintings? yeah, I wanted to

51:47

do a coffee table book. Which.

51:49

I'm still gonna do. Eat. Absolutely

51:51

should. But.

51:54

I decided to but to as

51:56

years ago. To.

51:58

Really? As. That thing in

52:00

terms of legacy in of stuff like that.

52:03

The. Gets labs was you get the V at

52:05

all? Yeah I was thinking as a. D

52:08

u is is something with the older you get

52:10

you start thinking about know. How. Many

52:13

years do I have left. Or do you

52:15

know? if you, how often do you think

52:17

about Alzheimer's up or Elena, what do you

52:19

think about? Like or lately I've been thinking

52:21

about a lot. Likes. Like

52:24

dark stuff now is not. Doc

52:26

is seen as inevitable. Is

52:28

in early and when that this is. our

52:31

was of of the zero officers a

52:33

when the. In. The Little

52:36

Caesar. I. Always I

52:38

always use that phrase. Mother

52:41

received as the end of rico. A

52:46

sea of a sudden I hear about

52:48

idea I was as a general. I

52:51

mean. Yeah I just I

52:53

wonder because I eat I think about an hour's

52:55

all sense. What happens is it goes by so

52:57

fast I know it's goose chase by a it.

53:00

All. The said you'd you twenties and then boom. I'm fifty

53:02

one and I'm like. Wow!

53:04

added that many years get buys It seems

53:07

like such a. Such. A

53:09

long, long time ago and and being eighty

53:11

six gonna be turning eighty seven. You.

53:14

Know but. But. You don't have

53:16

a fear of it. Won't I'm not going

53:18

to say don't have a fear of us. Airways.

53:21

It's a. Yellow

53:25

Prospects. All.

53:28

The whole thing to me I always curious about in

53:30

on the fact that to get more you live. Than.

53:33

Your idea of see? yeah? a

53:35

further up. The

53:38

Zero as the as

53:40

a curiosities to save

53:42

the the ability to

53:44

the pair versus the

53:46

police Ah ah. You.

53:49

Are I though the fact that

53:51

you are like a a frequency

53:53

or a wave? Seattle Yes I

53:55

know. I. Just wish dogs live

53:57

longer. But I'm. I love

53:59

this. Where they said

54:01

you found Lsd and you said

54:03

it saved your life. And.

54:06

It let me get inside of myself.

54:08

Otherwise you're anti drug. Didn't really do

54:10

drugs but you did Lsd. I was

54:12

in his back in the six right

54:14

when everybody was donor of those very.

54:16

That doesn't really change my I've never

54:18

done it well as I didn't do

54:20

it to get high. And fact

54:23

when I did it in a one of the i was

54:25

introduced in the. Racial

54:27

aspects. Of proposed. Was

54:30

a have a party with and I was

54:32

at a party with. And. I and

54:34

when I walked in. Front

54:37

of my sister. And. Me: I'm.

54:42

Carol. Cause she was

54:44

giving a little gathering at at her

54:46

house in the Greenwich Village. Oh.

54:50

And on house and see the

54:52

Houston Street. As I

54:54

recall, it was very hot, muggy day that

54:56

day and I. Left. The

54:58

several got of the subway. walked. To.

55:01

The. Last. Word Cows

55:03

living with her girlfriends. And.

55:07

As I recall, I remember. Approaching

55:10

the in the building. And

55:13

the out of this cab came this

55:15

red headed lady. And.

55:17

She went into that same building she went

55:19

up before me. And I've

55:21

stayed back to died in one or the think

55:23

that I was. So. Many trying to

55:25

a cluster. Of.

55:29

And then find I went upstairs and I

55:32

was is Doug Carol greeted me. Introduce.

55:35

Me to racial. And.

55:37

And racial took a liking to. To.

55:39

Me For some reason the places. So with

55:42

all these ladies, Was. A

55:44

road guess. Oh. And

55:47

I was the only guy Well as right

55:49

you are so smooth there was somebody says

55:51

it was so interesting of yeah have. Been

55:54

anywhere the right color. Gay girls

55:56

who really tiny elite talk to

55:59

me. That the racial took

56:01

the me. So anyway seated at a

56:03

good ended up giving me. A

56:06

cup of tea? And

56:08

I had no idea what was in the zoo. And

56:11

before I knew it, I was a hell of a

56:14

loosening. And. There

56:16

was one was extraordinary moments, but it was

56:18

one of those mom was I always felt

56:20

it was meant to be. In

56:22

a. Man. And the following

56:24

day was falling. I think it was

56:27

the following day I'll remember for the

56:29

better. Wizard and I had to go

56:31

to a funeral. And

56:33

I was partly on the Lsd when I went

56:35

to the single. Most how

56:37

my. Very

56:39

spiritual. Because I had

56:42

a very, very beautiful spiritual. Experience.

56:46

I. Mean, I said subtly of it, was in touch with

56:48

myself in a way. That. I.

56:51

Never dreamed up. And

56:54

needed to be. Because

56:56

I was, there was a lot of confusion at that

56:58

point my life. Yeah. About

57:01

who I was, where I was, Out

57:04

why I had success on

57:06

Broadway. At. A very early stage

57:08

in my life of. And all of

57:10

a sudden I didn't add the success of that.

57:13

Thousand. I go on. And. On

57:15

and on. And.

57:18

So. I was very confusing moment but

57:20

that Lsd. Grounded

57:23

you is yeah it's the but it

57:26

wasn't just Lsd is was I was

57:28

embracing. By. Eastern Philosophy,

57:30

Buddhism, Or European Western

57:32

Philosophy. I. Was getting into a

57:34

whole world? Through Rachel as we

57:37

are up. Living. Together. Our

57:40

I started getting into a whole

57:42

world that that I had not.

57:45

Anticipated. As

57:47

a result of this relationship I had to

57:50

this woman. As. She was a

57:52

really quite an exceptionally a person.

57:54

Wow. sues

57:56

extraordinary so did change your life and

57:58

away it says my life Wow,

58:01

it always scares me. That's why I've never done it. Listen,

58:04

when you go out to Jones Beach and you're sitting in

58:06

a little cluster of a

58:10

bush talking to

58:12

the flies, you know,

58:14

having a community with the... You

58:21

know that you've arrived. You

58:23

have arrived. When

58:26

you look back and say, I did

58:29

it my way. I'm happy with the way things

58:31

work out. Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra. I mean, do

58:33

you feel like... Because some people would say, oh,

58:35

I wish I would have done this. So what's

58:38

your... I always wanted to

58:40

ask Paul Anker who

58:42

wrote the song. I

58:44

said, you're a kid. How in

58:46

the hell did you write this? How did

58:48

you come up with this whole thought

58:51

process? I

58:54

did it my way. I mean, only an old guy

58:56

would... It sounds right

58:58

for an older guy to really

59:00

understand that. But here

59:02

was a kid, a young man who wrote this thing and

59:04

I always wanted to ask him, well,

59:07

how did he do that? Yeah, you

59:09

haven't lived your life. How do you know you're doing it

59:11

your way? You're doing it your way in the first 25

59:13

years. Oh

59:16

my gosh. I have to ask about

59:18

this real quickly is, you know, the

59:20

Colt 45 commercials because like I

59:22

said, smooth. Those are one of those things that

59:24

you did for five years. Sales

59:27

burst through the... Once you started

59:29

doing it, everybody started drinking it.

59:31

It works every time. I

59:36

mean, how do you turn a product like Colt

59:38

45 and the coolest thing ever? Because

59:41

it was so much fun. It was the whole idea

59:43

of it. The whole idea of

59:45

being a spokesperson that had

59:48

lines like, the

59:50

lettuce smooth taste fluid. It

59:53

works every time. I

59:55

mean, it was like the book. The

1:00:00

title. But that was what I

1:00:02

said to Princess Leia. You

1:00:05

l know what every year.

1:00:08

Ago. I mean I kind of stuff

1:00:10

just becomes like. Playing.

1:00:14

A court. He. Loved

1:00:16

it! Yeah, These.

1:00:18

Think you got more women when you do

1:00:20

that, more people, more even more women were

1:00:22

tragedy after the other women. They love me

1:00:24

that this. Oh

1:00:27

My Goodness. Case. So back to

1:00:29

that question years. You'll regret that.

1:00:31

Women saving know. Oh yeah. I

1:00:34

guess I was like a rock star

1:00:36

at I knew You get your you

1:00:38

have a a whole such a situation

1:00:41

where. They were read out

1:00:43

if I had to go promote something.

1:00:45

They. Would have to rent out their. As

1:00:47

the of. The remains

1:00:50

of floor of a department

1:00:52

store. Women's. Wall

1:00:57

to wall. At. Brought

1:00:59

in by bodyguards. And.

1:01:03

And having moon. Literally.

1:01:07

Literally in the a site right in front

1:01:09

of you. Just go. Straight

1:01:11

to the floor. People.

1:01:14

Bringing have babies to for me the

1:01:16

test of babies. And

1:01:19

we have. I was a preacher.

1:01:21

Billie De Jesus yeah I will

1:01:23

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1:01:25

of says this is what I

1:01:27

was living from For of of

1:01:29

the big part of my life,

1:01:31

this has been an absolute joy.

1:01:34

With. A I mean really. I

1:01:36

oh thank you. So as I

1:01:39

mean. Yeah, I've I've

1:01:41

wanted to get you hear an arm.

1:01:44

I just I'm amazed he showed up. I was

1:01:46

like, you know, he's supposed to be a mile.

1:01:49

I think he's coming today. But.

1:01:52

You're. An icon. And

1:01:54

I've learned so much from this.

1:01:57

Is. The believe it or not, you've taught me a lot. He

1:02:01

just being. An. Angle

1:02:03

You're letting go and. Not.

1:02:05

Getting caught up in the minutiae of the

1:02:07

bullshit. And. You

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know I'm. By. Appreciate you.

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