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This season, host Dave Cauley

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investigates the disappearance of Sherry

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Wars. A young mother looking for a

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fresh start. Recently divorced,

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Sherry had moved back in with her family,

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found a great new job, and even a new

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boyfriend. Her life was turning around,

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and she was happy for the first time in a

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long while. But on a crisp October

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evening after work, Sheree said goodbye

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to her coworkers, left the office and

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was never heard from again. All eyes

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quickly turned toward her ex husband.

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He had a history of violence. and had previously

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lured another woman into the woods and beat

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her with a tire iron, but there was also

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another man that peaked the interest of investigators.

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Sheree new boyfriend, a former

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reserve police officer who also

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had a dark history of sexual violence.

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The two men closest to Sherri's

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Wars loved and promised to protect

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her but did one of them murder her instead.

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the south

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fork of the Ogden River. It patter

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on the canvas top of Heidi Posnine's jeep.

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as she drove up Utah State Highway thirty

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nine on the morning of Friday June fourth

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nineteen seventy one. She

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was on her way to meet the strange man who had

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for weeks been calling her demanding

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they go on a date. I can't

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see it, but I'm doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at the entrance to

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the Meadows Campgrounds. crossed

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a short bridge over the river barely more

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than creek really and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far side.

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A pair of sheriff's deputies dressed as fishermen

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stepped out to greet her.

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And I said, what should I do? And

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he said, well, just pull

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across the street and

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then leave the Jeep parked, legs,

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the sideways. You know what

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I mean? As Heidi's describing this to

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me decades later, she's using her hands

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to show the positions of her jeep in the

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trailer, how the deputies told her

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to park next to them, but to reverse

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out after the collar arrived and pass by

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her position to block him from getting

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back across the bridge to the road. She

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was the cheese on the mouse

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Listen, make sure when he comes

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identify, make sure that

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he's

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the right person.

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Two miles down the can,

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back in the direction of Huntsville, her husband

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John Posnine waited at another

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campground called Magpie. The

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Sheree was with me along with the deputy

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Albert Bailey. They all watched the

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highway as the clock ticked toward the

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time for Heidi's date to arrive.

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A little after ten AM, a

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red and white half ton pickup truck past

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magpike going up the canyon toward

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meadows. John Posney

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saw a logo printed on the truck's door,

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and a dummy who driving his

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dad's business truck had

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said Hartman Plumbing.

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And when they drove past Magpie, Joseph,

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he immediately knew it was

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Hartman Plumbing and Heating belonged to a

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man named Bill Hartman. John

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Newbill. They had golfed together

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at the Oregon Golfing Country Club Bill

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was also a fellow member of the

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Weber Club. The caller

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had told Heidi he'd seen her at the Weber

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Club. It clicked for John

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he recognized the man at the wheel of

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the pickup as Bill Hartman's

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oldest son, Carrie Hartman.

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The Sheree tried to radio the two undercover

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deputies who were with Heidi at Meadows to

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let them know the collar would soon reach them,

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but the radio didn't work in

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the narrow canyon. Heidi

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had no idea who the young man

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in the pickup truck was when he turned

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off the highway. drove across

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the bridge and stopped next

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to her Jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any attention

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to

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him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man. kind

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of forgettable. He

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says, hi. I can't remember exactly.

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And and

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then I said, why would you pick on an old

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lady like me? And then you made some remark that

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I was a sexier, a prettier, something,

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you know. You're not an old lady at this

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point though. No. Gosh. No.

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But I was way older than

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he I already had kids, you

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know, teenagers. So,

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yeah, I was an old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's thirty

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six. and he kept looking at that

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trailer and was getting low nervous.

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And he said, I'm

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gonna just pull up there. Why don't you follow

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me up there? By up there,

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Carrie meant farther into the campground behind

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a line of trees out of sight of the road.

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He drove past her up around

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a bend, Heidi put her jeep in

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reverse pulled out and blocked the narrow

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road just as the deputies had instructed.

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She then leapt from the jeep and rushed into

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the safety of their trailer. The

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deputies told her to stay put,

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then went to stand next to the

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Jeep. Heidi poured herself

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a cup of coffee with shaking hands.

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She listened for the sound of the pickup.

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We had returned after a few minutes.

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Heidi peeked out the window as the deputies

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pulled carry out of the truck and placed him

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under arrest. They frisked

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him, finding a small knife in his pocket.

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Then they tried to call their backup down at the

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Mag Pi campground, only to discover

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their radios didn't work in the canyon either.

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So the deputies piled into Carrie's truck

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and drove it and him down

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the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed a while because I was

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all nervous,

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I guess. Whatever you I'd

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had my coffee and then I got Najib and

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I drove down and they were already

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gone. So Only

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later did Heidi learn from her husband John

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what had happened when Carrie had arrived

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in handcuffs at Magpie? John,

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she told me, had turned to the Sheree,

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he

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says, boy, I sure like to smack him in

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the mouth. And he says, well, let me look the other

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way. So they they had

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him already out.

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and John touched

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him. And he he was embarrassed.

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He looked down, and he says, I wish he

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had a gun and shoot me. Really?

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Yeah. He said that because he was

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embarrassed, he was ashamed.

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John Pozniak had punched Carrie

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Hartman in the face. while the sheriff

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and his deputies looked the other way.

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Needless to say, this wasn't

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legal. The deputies had

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then taken Carrie to the Weber County jail in

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Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion of

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making threatening phone calls. A

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minor, misdemeanor charge, that

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didn't quite match the gravity of the

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whole situation. Carrie

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provided a handwritten statement admitting to

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what had happened, I

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called the lady and said, would you meet me

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at a time and place? If not,

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some harm would come to your husband's car

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and possibly him.

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That's not Carrie's voice, but they are

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his words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened. Well,

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because he really hadn't done anything other

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than met me. But I'm

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here to tell you, there was something

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much more ominous behind those

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phone calls. Something that makes Heidi's

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mouth go dry and her hands fidget when

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she really stops to think about it.

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This season isn't about Heidi Posnering. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance

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of Sherry but there's

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a reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of It's because

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Carrie Hartman, the man who tried

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to lure Heidi up that canyon, would

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years later meet, be

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friend,

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and Wu, Sherry Warren.

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So now, we're going to follow Carrie's

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path to see how he and Sherry

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first came together. Hold on

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because from everything

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escalates.

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oh

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Our story begins

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with a phone call. Voice on the phone

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said I was sexy. He had made literally

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thousands

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of those types calls. He

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follows the women, gets to know them,

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and then if then Don't

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report your body as I found it. Everything.

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There are a lot of missing girls. Escal

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was beaten,

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stabbed until the knife broke, and then

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shot twice in the head.

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Sherry Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five Her friends

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and Ramsey say she's not the

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type to just run away. She wouldn't leave

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her child. No one can say just

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what happened to Sherry. No one's

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faced charges for her disappearance. Not

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her ex husband, Chuck Warren, money

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was a big issue. Chuck, please

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hold her.

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If I can't have you. Nobody's going to.

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I'm not Sherry's boyfriend, Carrie

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Hartman. I don't understand. Be careful with

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him. Yeah. Two dispositions. Doctor

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Jackal mister Hyde, he could be the nicest

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guy you ever wanted me,

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but he also had that sinister

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sight.

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